Vouching For Voter Fraud? (Ep. 2577)

28:30That's what this stuff is. Here's a Fox News report yesterday on this company getting basically raked over the coals right now. And I'm telling you, this is just the beginning of a huge polling scandal in this country. You have to start asking people, what are the evidence for those claims? Not what's the information you're telling me? Is that information valid? What evidence do you have to back it up? And you would have seen right through this stuff. Check this out. Here's what happened. A legitimate sounding company puts out a poll showing LA mayor Karen Bass leading councilman Nithya Rahman by 12 points.

29:04Well, that's plausible. But it also showed 85 % of Spencer Pratt voters breaking for Bass. Well, that is a huge red flag, right? In no way would most Pratt voters support Bass. But the media loves polls. Many TV stations here locally, a major newspaper published this entirely fabricated poll, and that was republished hundreds of times on social media. Now, in the L.A. Times called the polling company, it admits the whole thing is a hoax. Here's some quote. Median Strategies was created as a short-term social experiment to examine how purported polling information could enter and spread through the political information ecosystem without independent verification.

29:49Justin has no beef with this at all. And maybe his point is valid. He's like, maybe we needed people to get kind of shaken up. Maybe we needed to put out a fake poll like this so people don't understand how easy it is in the, quote, social experiment to fake polls. I don't like it, especially when it involves elections. But I get his point. If it was anything else, maybe it's a good social experiment to expose how easy it is to engage in an op. But folks, the problem I have with these ops, with elections and other things, is there are real life personal consequences. But Justin's point is not, I'm not disregarding it at all.

30:26There are real personal consequences. Guys, and this is where I'm going with this. Andy, you've been here long enough now. You've definitely been here since I've been back. And for those who've been with me, P1s. I don't like to make the show about me. I do a weekend update once in a while. occasionally I'll tell a story about something we did when I was in the government that involved your taxpayer dollars not because it's me but because you paid for it but I don't like to make the story about me the ops against me personally are through the roof Justin's laughing because we don't talk about a lot but we have really really good employees here who can see an op from a mile away did you notice that like i didn't come out and say the things they wanted me to say i didn't come out and say gosh you know donald trump sucks i didn't come out and say it's definitely the jews and the evangelicals they screwed up if you don't say those code words you are going to be a target of the op people who ironically always go down in flames i only bring that up because this has a real consequence falling for this stuff I don't know if you We have been subjected to Multiple Multiple very serious death threats There have been arrests there have been investigations I'm not talking about Indirect I'm talking about direct threats against my life My family and elsewhere A lot of it is based on pure Unadulterated garbage and nonsense It's not a sob story it's part of the gig I wish it didn't happen to me or anyone else But it's real This is why I am so adamant at exposing these things.

32:07I don't know if you missed this yesterday, but there was a sentencing in a very serious threat case against our Treasury Secretary Scott Besson. These ops have real consequences in the real world. And real people are in danger because of it. I told you it's not a matter of if something's going to happen. It's only a matter of who it's going to happen to and when. Check this out. I was the subject of an assassination attempt February 2024 by an adult left-wing activist two hours after being sworn into my job. So any of you who want to report that this is a fiction and does not exist, be there for the sentencing this August.

32:49Here we are, Dana. Right now, that sentencing hearing is taking place here in the nation's Capitol, 24-year-old Ryan English of South Deerfield, Massachusetts, pled guilty for charges related to attempted assassination of then-Cabinet member nominee Scott Besson for carrying a dangerous weapon on the grounds of the Capitol, according to U.S. Attorney Janine Pirro. According to court documents, about 3.12 p.m. on January 27, 2025, a week after the inauguration, English approached a U.S. Capitol police officer near the south door of the Capitol building and stated, I'd like to turn myself in. English admitted to possessing a knife and two Molotov cocktails.

33:51death threat, Bongino's and you'll see what I'm, you think I'm making this up? That's one of a massive book of these things that we have to deal with every single day. I'm just telling you there's a consequence to falling for these ops. President Trump, Vance, Rubio, they're all involving some big cabal and cover up. It's just nonsense. You know, one of the ops I saw too going around the other day was Todd Blanche, oh my gosh, Gosh, this guy blew it. He said that the Department of Justice is not independent. Thank God Mark Hemingway responded to this on Exit. This is all in up. This is all this bull information that gets slipped out.

34:33The Department of Justice is not independent. I don't know what you're talking about. The Washington Post of all, I think, wrote a piece saying, hey, listen, the Department of Justice falls under the executive branch. I don't know what part of this is. The Washington Post have opened. Mark Elias, crazy Democrat lawyer. I'm without words. This was once a proud newspaper. Support independent media. Losing his mind over it. Mark Hemingway responds. What are you talking about? They're 100 % right. The DOJ is not independent. The attorney general answers directly to the president. Is any of this confusing?

35:06You guys are, you remember folks in the chat? I'm just a bill up against. Do you remember that? Like, do you not know Schoolhouse Rock? This is an op post-Watergate, Hemingway notes. that the DOJ can be both subordinate to the president and responsible for policing him. That's not how this works. I told you in the beginning of the show, I'm really genuinely trying to help you. I'm not being a smartass. This is the easiest way to recognize an op. Again, just follow the Bongino rule. I say it's sarcastic. It's not really my rule. It's kind of a joke. But just give a story some time to flesh out first.

35:46Usually the initial piece of information, pushing his own outlet, right? Democracy docket. What a clown. Folks, give the story first some time to flesh out, not before you comment. You're free to comment on whatever. I'm not here to tell you what to comment on or not. But before you draw any final opinion on things, wait for a diverse source of information to come out. Second, again, does the account have a reason to be BSing you? Sometimes they do. Sometimes it's just real. Sometimes they're lying to you just because they want to. Is there counter information out there, counter evidence? And does this look like a current thing?

36:25If you see a story that pops out of nowhere, and listen to me, I want to get this in all caps. Flag it in the chat right now because you know how people clip your show and they clip out the relevant portion. I'm not telling you what to believe about flock cameras data centers shocker gloves or whatever they're called oh my gosh shocking gloves I'm not telling you everybody get it? We will go no further flag it in the chat I'm not telling you that I'm just telling you don't you think it's weird that these stories just popped up and all of a sudden they're everywhere you don't think it's strange that there are some players out there who have a vested interest in taking a side in this debate?

37:10Both sides. People making money off data centers versus people in the community who don't want them and some people being paid. There are both sides to it. Flock cameras, there are people making money off flock cameras, law enforcement, there are other people on the other side who don't want a public safety situation. I want you to notice how President Trump, who is almost always by the left-wing media and his critics and the doers. Again, I'm not telling you what to think on this stuff. You feel in your communities and you do subsidiarity what's good for your community. You hate flock cameras?

37:46Vote in county commissioners who get rid of them and a sheriff who gets rid of them. That's your choice. You don't want a data center? Vote against it. That's your call. I'm not here to tell you what to think. You don't like shock gloves or electric gloves? You'd rather shoot people with a taser instead of? Fine, whatever. It's your call. but we were given process and reason. I want you to see, President Trump's asked the question about flock cameras. This is the latest, you know, current thing out there on either side, right? Listen to the guy. He's like, okay, man, I think I'm just going to check the issue out.

38:19We're going to study it. Like a reasonable person would do. And yet President Trump is always accused, right? Guys of being impulsive and such a lunatic. He sounds like the only sane actor in the room half the time. Check this out. These license plate scanners that are going up across the country, they're called flop cameras. People are worried that the police might misuse them. Have you heard of them? Well, it's being studied right now. You know, you have pros and cons, right? It's being studied right now. We'll have an answer sort of as to our views on it over the next couple of weeks. I can't get enough of how this guy is constantly accused of he's so impulsive and he just doesn't think things through.

39:02And yet when you're given a controversial issue, and it is controversial, I understand. What does he do? He says, hey, man, why don't we just look at it? We will gauge out what the pros are. Significant, typically, reduction in crime versus the cons, which is, yes, there are some privacy concerns. Can those be alleviated with guardrails? Why don't we just stop and take a breath? This show never got into the current thing stuff. We just didn't. and it drives people bananas because they want you to come out and start screaming and yelling before you even have the data happened again last night folks I'm going to I'm going to ask you this one can I leave this up to the chat so folks Joe Kent put out one of these ridiculous videos again last night I'm going to take a second are you even I'm really tired of this I already told you like are you interested in joe kent's response yes or no in the chat give it a sec tell me what you think because i don't want to torture you guys with this frankly this stupidity anymore tell you what let's just play a little bit of it and we'll say we'll compromise because we're going to take in the information like president trump uh joe kent again is just forfeited all his credit i feel bad for this guy he's gone through a lot he is not my personal enemy folks for those of you want this to be personal i was very close with joe i showed you the picture yesterday i was more than happy to go visit him when he was there.

40:27This is not personal. But Joe keeps insisting that he was somehow, despite no investigative authority whatsoever, blocked from the Charlie Kirk investigation, although he was not an investigator and had no authority to investigate the Charlie Kirk investigation. So he responded to yesterday saying, I'm just going to play a little bit of it and I want to explain how he actually outs himself here yet again. And yet people still believe, oh, I trust it. OK, great. Play this. Can you stop when I tell you to stop? Because I don't want to go through the whole thing. All right, check it out. I'm going to briefly describe the role of the National Counterterrorism Center in the investigation of the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

41:01So NCTC analysts are a part of every joint terrorism task force throughout the entire country. The JTTFs are typically led by the FBI. NCTC's role within the JTTF is to determine if there is any foreign nexus. So that would be a foreign country, a foreign government, a foreign individual, a foreign company, if there's any foreign connection or nexus to an act of domestic terrorism like the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So that's what NCTC analysts were doing as part of the JTTF to assist the investigation of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So NCTC analysts were operating at the request of the FBI to determine if there was any kind of foreign connection or foreign nexus to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

41:45So NCTC is a unique organization within the intelligence community. It's part of the intelligence community. It can see all the operational traffic, all the raw reporting coming from the forward-facing intelligence community, the CIA, the DIA, the NSA, et cetera. But it can also see the raw operational reporting coming from the FBI and other federal law enforcement agencies. Stop. I'm just going to leave this here. I'm really sorry, Joe Kent. when he decided to swear in for NCTC director, had no idea what his job was. Notice how he outs himself here. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to help Joe and you, okay?

42:27The thumbnail is devastating. We didn't do it on purpose. I don't want to be accused of like the thumbnails. Everybody's got a bad thumbnail out there. Ladies and gentlemen in the chat who've been members of the USIC or a JTTF, do you know what raw intelligence is? raw intelligence is exactly as it sounds. If you're out there on X or Snapchat and someone posts a video saying that space aliens killed Joey Bag of Donuts in Georgia in a terror attack, that's what's considered raw intelligence. I don't know if Joe knows this or not. What would happen is an analyst who's not an investigator would get that and give it to who?

43:14An investigator, i.e. not Joe. I've already told you they have no investigative authority at all. Someone should just ask him that question. I don't know why he keeps saying this. They would give it to an analyst. The investigative work is done by investigators who have power to investigate, subpoena powers, arrest power. Is any of this hard? the investigators determine if raw intelligence is then actionable intelligence joe has nothing to do with that nor does his shop when they don't determine it's actionable intelligence that raw intelligence is not thrown out but we've investigated it there's no lead there he keeps insisting he somehow had that bridge role turning raw intelligence into actionable intelligence because they were investigating that is not their job they have no power to do it okay done i'm not doing this anymore i can't this guy he can comment only once i really feel bad for this guy and if you're falling for this op just know you're being played for a fool why he's trying to insert himself into a very serious criminal trial going on right now by constantly commenting as a guy who was trusted with the public trust is just disgraceful at this point moving on i'm done with it i'm done i i it's it's this is like an idiot proof argument speaking of idiot proof have we got a response from elizabeth warren's office yet you sure did you check folks in the chat know what i'm talking about so there is a uh a lieutenant governor in minnesota you know the vouch you can can peggy flanagan lieutenant could she vouch for people of minnesota the lieutenant governor of minnesota peggy flanagan is a diehard socialist identity politics lunatic see you later paula paula's in the office today represent the cause Good job Reminds me of that The audience loves you, they miss you You should come say hello What was I just saying?

45:25Oh, Peggy Flanagan She's a diehard socialist, right? She's now the U.S. Senate nominee in Minnesota She put out this fundraising mail I will be the first Native American In the U.S. Senate Now, if you believe in ops And you're a sucker like people who believe in this Op these other guys are putting on You would actually believe That that's not the case because you were subjected to an op in the past by a bunch of identity politics liberals who told you Miss Pow Wow Chow. Elizabeth Warren was, in fact, the first Native American senator, despite her being whiter than a bottle of Whiteout. Remember, you want a beer?

46:02No, I'm good. Elizabeth Warren, the whole thing is an op. The whole thing is an op. Her entire public persona, Elizabeth Warren is an op. They're all phonies, folks. If you're falling for this BS, you're no different than the doomers and grifters. You just got suckered. Hat tip, this is a Mays Moore video, right? The great Mays Moore on X must follow, M-A-Z-E-M-O-O-R-E. One of my favorite accounts. Always go there for some show prep stuff because they're so fantastic. He's so fantastic. Here's Mays Moore, and if you're watching or listening on audio, watch the rumble video you'll see a video in the background of elizabeth warren exiting a private jet private jet spewing carbon dioxide everywhere that sounds like a capitalist thing private i got no beef in private i love it man i'm a capitalist that's a great thing really convenient but i thought they hated that stuff here's elizabeth warren bragging about getting two bucks from some college lady who supported her two bucks what did she what did that two bucks bought her what one one millionth of a second on the private jet can you work out the math for me andy is there a way to work that out so andy if you could do this math i'd love you what is the average charter per hour like i don't know is it twenty thousand dollars an hour fifteen i don't know but what is and what does that two dollars work out so how much of elizabeth warren's private jet time was bought by this two dollars here check this out i tell you there are so many people who are in this fight for all the right reasons.

47:32You know me, did the speech and then afterwards did a selfie line and we were there for over an hour. People are coming through and they're saying thank you and they're giving hugs and talking about what's important to them. Young woman came up by herself and she said, I'm a broke college student with a lot of student loan debt. And she said, I checked and I have$6 in the bank. So I just gave$3 to keep you in this fight. That's what we got to do. I gave you$3. $3. Justin, you've been on jets, right? Again, I'm a capitalist. I love it. Success, good for you, buddy. Do your thing. These people are running against that.

48:19This is a total lob. Justin, right? Sometimes on these private jets, they have like various assortments of like little snacks and thingies. Some have whiskey. Justin is taking advantage of that. He was over the drink. He shocked me to death. Can't say it enough. If you had to pay individually, I guarantee you, the bag of like those buffalo wings. You ever eat those pretzel chips? They're like flat pretzels. The buffalo wings. That brand is the most amazing snack ever A bag of those would be like$75 She didn't even get a bag of chips on that For this poor lady's three bucks Give her her$3 back Folks, these people are total frauds I saw this post by this Daniela on X About the, this guy, was it Gustavo?

49:11The socialist co-chair was up in New York This is the socialist co-chair Again, these people are total frauds They are total frauds the uh new york city the democrat socialists of america co-chair spit it out there currently lives in a 1.5 million dollar brooklyn townhouse his parents bought for him you notes you literally cannot make up a more ridiculous i hate literally i hate literally however you are quite literally you cannot make up a dumber story it's like the blm people at that rate of three dollars to three I was off by the way. I said$2. It was a big difference. $2 or$3. At that rate,$3 buys you 3.6 seconds on a light jet.

49:58I love how Andy broke this down. If you get a midsize, you know, like maybe a Prater or Gulfstream or something, it buys you 2.2 seconds. If you get a heavy jet, one of the big dogs, it buys you about one second. So to the college student, Mary Bag of Donuts or Janice Bag of Donuts, whatever your name is, you finance It looks like a pretty – can we play the picture of it? I think it was a midsize. You bought Liz Warren 2.2 seconds on the Pow Wow Chow Express. Awesome. Good for you. This whole thing is an op, man. Look at it. That's – for you pilots out there, maybe – so maybe you bought her three seconds.

50:41I don't know. I'm not – I don't know what exactly that jet is. I wish I knew more about it. tell me pilots in the chat if some of it you you bought about three seconds for liz warren folks another op that's happening out there you we couldn't do the nothing is happening thing yet right the whole okay we got this thing i asked these guys one of the ops i mentioned beginning just like a liz warren's whole persona is an op so was all these dsa guys this cat up in new york I'm a socialist. Don't you live in a$1.5 million townhouse that mama and papa bought you? You're a fraud. You're a fake. You're a phony.

51:21Do not let this infection of fraudulent bull float onto our side. Seek evidence, ask questions, and you will never fall for one of these things. The biggest op I see going on right now, and it's only a matter of time before everybody they try to take that, is the nothing is happening. Of course, we got our famous nothing is happening file. We love it. We're going to build a new nothing is happening file because we're going to have to add to it. They love, there we go, another thing that happened. Again, you don't have to like what happened, but your nothing is happening in the Trump administration is just made up.

52:01David Morin's former NIAID advisor pleads guilty in the COVID-19 record scheme. I thought nothing was happening. looking at potentially up to five years. I don't know that was happening on the COVID day. What do you think? This just happened yesterday? Again, folks, I know it doesn't matter to the doomers and the grifters. They'll believe anything. They'll believe in Pow Wow Chow, that Liz Warren's not a free market capitalist in her personal life, and in a socialist for everyone. You'll believe anything. You'll believe there's a real movement in the Republican Party to incorporate Nazi ideology.

52:39These are all ops. They're not real. It doesn't mean real people aren't promoting them They're not real There are tons of things happening I asked the guys to put together A list, a compilation of things Because we forget about them It's in the kitchen Getting worked up right now All the BLM investigations and arrests All the Antifa cases For the first time, convictions The SPLC The Newsom case, the Hochul case The Comey case The Bolton case The violent crime rate plunging, the violent crimes against children, arrests just exploding, operations going on every single day, the counter-terror arrests, the counter-intel arrests, the arrests for crypto fraud, white-collar cases through the roof.

53:26You don't have to agree with what's happening. But it is clearly an op you suggesting that nothing is happening. And it's clearly an op to use your official title in the government to imply you had inside knowledge about something you had no idea about, nor any authority to investigate yourself. It is an op. I'm really sorry that that bothers you. MSB Voice. Here's a few bucks to keep the lights on. Two dollars for MSB Voice. Rumble tips right there. Thank you. I told you. Unnecessary. We appreciate it. a few dollars that buys, if we were to take a private jet, yeah, we're not going to the RNC, the midterm RNC, Republican, but if we were, we would apply that to the jet fund.

54:11Right, Andy? You've never been on that sucker, right? A third of a Buffalo chip. I don't even know if it gets you a third. We got to give them those Buffalo. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? Those flat pretzel Buffalo chips? That is the most. Warren and Sanders spend 2.4 million on private jets and 59 ,000 on carbon offsets to make up for it. This is the kind of stupid stuff these people fall for. Good luck in the stupid ecosystem you live in. I want to bring this up too because one of the earliest ops I saw through is I'm not knocking teachers. I love teachers. They saved my life. But the teachers, unions reps, it's a huge scam.

54:49They hate school choice because they just, it's a source of money for them to advance Democrat principals. This is the most amazing story. School choice or anti-school choice, I should say, is one of the oldest left-wing ops out there. Did you see the story out of Mississippi? Mississippi, just in aggregate, is one of the not-so-wealthy states in the union, Mississippi. I don't want to call them poor because Mississippi's a beautiful place, and they're definitely not poor in spirit. But economic development, they had lagged behind for a while. This is the craziest story. It's noteworthy that...

55:20This is... Sorry, I can't pronounce that. It's noteworthy that once you adjust for demographics, Mississippi is the state with the second highest test scores in the country, right behind Massachusetts now. They note that Mississippi fourth graders rank number one in the U.S. for reading and math scores improvement since 2013. After ranking 49th in reading and 50th in math that year. Gee, what did it? It's the craziest thing. They actually let Mississippi parents pick where their kids go to school. so crazy how like when you let parents decide where the kids go to school shocker folks they actually pick good schools you want to see another op on the left anti-school choice liz warren on the powwow chow express as a form of socialism here's another beauty too the people that are out there these socialists probably like the guy up in new york in his 1.5 million dollar home telling you single payer bro single payer we need government-run health care notice they call it single payer.

56:19Who's the single payer, Guy, do you know? The government. They don't want to use the word government because most people associate with government would suck with a massive sucking sound. That is the sucking sound of government sucking the life out of you in every single thing they do. So they call it this opt-tested name, single payer. And everybody's like, yeah, man.

56:46Right. Good point, Key. The government's not funded by a single payer. It's 330 million payers. You. So there's this rumor out there that, oh, no, you'll still be able to keep the insurance plan you love in your job or bargain for in your union. That then, no, no, don't worry, man. They're not going to cancel your. Did you read the bill? the Bernie Sanders bill that El Syed and these other socialists support is crystal clear James Freeman Wall Street Journal ladies and gentlemen get your pens out if you're in a union look it is right there section 107 prohibition against duplicating coverage in general beginning on the date which benefits are first available the government benefits it shall be unlawful what does unlawful mean guys he's like I think it means against the law it will be against the law for a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits under Medicaid for all, Medicare for all programs, which is going to be everything.

57:51And it is illegal for your employer to provide benefits for an employee, former employee, or dependents, or former employee that duplicates the benefits under Medicare for all. Your plan is dead. Just read the bill. You have no excuse. Stupid is a choice. Folks, please pick up the shirt Stored up on Gino.com The back says, of course, don't be stupid Just to advertise to people That stupid is a choice, I'm sorry To the guy in the chat yesterday It is a choice You see these socialists like, yeah, I'm going to vote for El Sayed But I love my union plan But he said it's cool, everyone else is going to be ungoverned He did not say it's cool Just read the Bernie Sanders bill Your plan is illegal it's undocumented right it's an undocumented plan that's a good point op-level euphemisms it's an undocumented health care plan there'll be a black market for health care of undocumented doctor-driven health care plans kind of scam is this man folks there's no excuse to be stupid anymore my gosh all right i got dinesh d'Souza coming up we're going to talk about all of this.

59:03He's got a great new book out too. Have you ever asked yourself like I have? You ever questioned your faith? Folks, I have too. I'm a sinner, man. I don't pretend to be anybody's moral high ground. Dinesh has a book out showing how, listen, the Bible and a lot of these things you read, you may think they're like Aesop's fables or something. These are based in real history. We're going to talk about that. The rise of the DSA. We're going to talk about a whole bunch of things. Don't miss that. First, we got to pick the comment of the day. You know how the Context Works once a week contest. We pick a winner in the 1776 Club.

59:38You get a prize of$1 ,776. We picked our winner for a couple weeks ago or last week yesterday. We pick a comment of the day every day. If you want to see the official rules, go to Bongino.com slash 1776. The winner today of the 1776 Live Club is... Yes, I'm sorry. This is like JL Weichel in the chat. Dr. Vouchie, hands down, clear, unanimous comment of the day today. Selectee, Dr. Vouchie, JL Weichel. You're like an honorary member of the McGroin crew. Now someone should reserve Vouchie McGroin for JL Weichel. Congratulations, JL Weichel. We'll see what happens with the rest of the week here. All right, quick break, and we will get to Dinesh D'Souza.

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1:01:49Pleased to welcome to the show today a very good friend of mine for a long time. Matter of fact, one of the guys who converted me to an activist early on from just a regular old voter used to watch your debates, Dinesh, on college campuses where you would just dismantle frankly just idiotic leftist ideas. Our good friend, Dinesh D'Souza. Dinesh, welcome to the show. Dan, it's a great pleasure. Great to be on. So you have a new book coming out in October available for pre-order now. Please go pick it up. It is called The Stones Cry Out. We're going to get to that because it's an important topic to me and my faith that, you know, the Bible and these historical accounts in the Bible and historical accounts of Jesus and others.

1:02:28These are not just Aesop's fables. These are based in real things. So we're going to get to that. But I'd be remiss if I did not ask you about a couple of things first as a really close follower of conservative politics for a long time. you know we've got this infection deness you and i've seen it's it comes and goes over time in the republican party and thankfully the good people in the republican party that are its base squash it out it's this collective guilt thing and notice i didn't just say anti-jew thing although that's a prominent part of it because it's not just anti-jew it's the first we get the saturday people then we get the sunday people it's anti-evangelical it's anti-protestant the jews are just an easy target.

1:03:05However, you know, at some point, if you're going to run on this hate filled garbage, you're going to have to show some constituency. And last night in Florida is more evidence. There's no base for this in the Republican Party. There's a home for the Democrat Party, but not here. I agree. You've got a smattering of young people. They've been kind of contaminated by this kind of deep, deep seated, deep rooted hatred. And it's it's not just anti-Israel, because you notice that it's also becoming now pro-Islam. We see this, for example, in Tucker's own trajectory. He started out with like Netanyahu bad, and then he expanded to Israel bad, Jews bad, and then suddenly he was talking about Islam not so bad, and Sharia not so bad, and Iran not so bad.

1:03:50So this is not merely a fixation on one issue. It ultimately corrupts the soul and the political soul completely. It does. And I've tried to explain to people, having been involved in this as a candidate, an activist, on TV, podcast, whatever it may be, you see and come across a lot of people in the movement. I'm not Jewish. It's not at all relevant to this conversation. I abhor and absolutely vitriolically hate collective guilt campaigns. That's a leftist victim identity politics thing. This person's good because of the melanin level of their skin or what their religion is. They're the preferred religion, the jour, Islam, whatever it may be.

1:04:33And this person's bad because they're not. I mean, that's totally antithetical to every single thing this country stands for of unalienable, individual God-given rights. If this is part of your movement, I've said before, check me out. Like, I want no piece of that. Yeah, the United States, our attachment to Israel is the same as, for example, our attachment to Great Britain. We have moral ties, historical ties. And so there's been a, quote, special relationship. This doesn't mean it's inviolable. It doesn't mean our interests always converge. But the way I look at it, that is a very bad neighborhood over there in the Middle East, right?

1:05:12And the Israelis live there, and they're pretty good survivors in a really bad neighborhood. They know how to fight radical Islam. So we haven't got that good of a record going back to 9-11 and even earlier. And so there's a lot that we can get out of Israel in this larger fight that we have to prevent what is clearly a serious problem. Islamic infiltration of the West and attempt to sort of take all those Middle Eastern principles and apply them here in our country. That's happening right around us and we can't be blind to it. Yeah, and what I find shocking, and I want to move on to my next question, but just a kind of final point is a lot of the people commenting on this in podcastistan have zero experience in the national security space at all.

1:05:57It doesn't mean you're not entitled to your opinion. I want to be clear on that. I am a free speech absolutist outside of breaking the law. You say what you want. It doesn't mean your opinion is valid. I mean, I have an opinion on neurosurgery. My opinion is I don't want it. Don't crack my skull open. It's bad. It doesn't mean I know what's happening with a neurosurgeon in my brain, you know, getting into Wernicke's area. I have no idea. I'm not a neurosurgeon. So it doesn't mean your opinion is valid. I got to be honest about it. I trust President Trump and Marco Rubio at this point more than I trust you.

1:06:29It's not a matter of trust me, bro. It's just a matter of there's an information asymmetry. They're reading things you're not. That and also, you know, I've debated a couple of these guys right now, and I realized that their scope of history extends about a decade. I mean, they go back to Iraq and Afghanistan, and they think that a universal model can be derived from that. And I have to remind them, you know, we've had regime change in like 25 countries over the last century or so, and most of the time it's worked out for the better. I'm not just talking about World War II. think about all the regime change that occurred, for example, in the wake of the Cold War, right?

1:07:10Regime change in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, and on and on, Eastern Europe. And so, and all of that has been transformational and to the good. So this doctrine that regime change is always bad, I mean, I'd like to see some regime change in Iran and Venezuela if we can get it. Now, I'm not willing to pay any price to do that, but the idea that it's not a worthwhile goal? Really? Yeah. Let's get to your book. And I want to get back to a couple of other things going on in politics, too. But this is important. You have a book coming out again, folks. The book is called The Stones Cry Out, available now for preorder by Dinesh D'Souza.

1:07:47Please check it out wherever you get your books. Dinesh, when you initially had reached out to us, I said, man, this sounds like an unbelievable topic for me. I am a or I was I'm going to throw myself under the bus. I was one of those Christmas, Easter Catholics. You know, and they show up. I'm not knocking anyone, folks. I'm just saying that was me. You go to church on Christmas and Easter more because it's a social event than any act of faith. That was me, okay? And then a friend of mine who was a Secret Service agent, and he was older than me, but a very nice guy. He handed me a book by Lee Strobel called The Case for Christ.

1:08:23I've talked about this book often. I taught CCD once. I bought the book for all the young kids. I said, at some point in your life, if you're not going to read this today, keep it and get to it. And the gist of the book is, Lee Strobel was a journalist and an atheist who wanted to disprove to a family member that this faith was just a waste of her time. And he wound up becoming not only a convert, but basically an evangelical for the cause, like was out there speaking about the cause all the time. And one of the things he notes is that people die for their religion all the time, Dinesh. You know that.

1:08:59But nobody dies for a religion they know is fake. The apostles knew Jesus. So the gist of your book is the Bible in general, a lot of people think this is just some fairy tale of fake stories. Your book, you have some actual historical evidence. What's the best case you can make that a lot of this stuff was based on actual history? Yeah, and quite honestly, Dan, the truth of it is the Bible is even taught in churches. think of Catholic Church sermons or think about evangelical sermons, they treat the Bible as a series of morality tales. They will talk about Joseph or King David or the prophet Isaiah, and they talk about it without telling you, like, when did Isaiah live?

1:09:41What century? What was going on at the time? So, in other words, the general approach is to ignore the historicity of the Bible. So, I went to Israel for the first time at the end of 2022. I was very charmed. I kind of felt like I'm in the land of the Bible. But then I was exposed to this biblical archaeology, and it's been going on for about 150 years, but it's sort of accelerated in the last 25 years. And what we've seen now is just dozens upon dozens of artifacts coming out of the ground that support and confirm the historical truth of the Bible. This is about real people, real places, and real events.

1:10:22And not only the kind of massive figures of the Bible are corroborated, but sometimes tiny details in the Bible. So here's one. We all know about Joseph and his coat of many colors. Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers. And the Bible happens to drop the price, 20 shekels. Now, interestingly, archaeologists have been able to survey surrounding civilizations in that period of time. We're talking around 1900 BC. And so we know the price of a slave in Mesopotamia, in Assyria, in the civilization surrounding Israel. And the price turns out to be, you guessed it, 20 shekels. Now, it's not a fixed price.

1:11:07The price of slaves was less before that and more after that. So there was evidently inflation. But in Joseph's own time, it was precisely 20 shekels. So the, You know, in the 19th century and later, skeptics would say, oh, the Bible was written hundreds of years later after the events it purports to describe. They made a bunch of this stuff up. Well, nobody writing centuries later would know the exact price of a slave at the time of Joseph. Archaeology is able to verify that that kind of little detail that the Bible just casually drops happens to be right on. And Dinesh, you're correct. I remember, again, teaching a CCD class with Paula for a couple of years.

1:11:51And, you know, they're younger kids. I get it. But you get a lot of the learning materials. And some of it is quite, you know, cartoonish. And it's for kids. I want to be clear. But when you read the Bible as a discerning adult, you realize if they were going to write, say, an Aesop's fable, a fake story, you wouldn't write about the human beings in the story being as fallible as they were. I mean, King David, there's an endless litany of stories of succumbing to temptation. Solomon, all of these big features of the Bible. Abraham himself. I mean, they're not painted out to be anything other than fallible human beings who eventually found a path.

1:12:30So it seems kind of strange if you're going to make up a story that you would make everybody out to be just rather human. You'd make them out like a Superman comic. Like, oh, my gosh, unless kryptonite, they're immune to it. This is a very profound point. the ancient literatures of almost every civilization are kind of distastefully boastful. They're all about, we're great, we're the greatest, everybody else stinks. The Bible doesn't do that, so you're quite right about that. The other thing about it is no other religious text has been archaeologically, is even able to be verified. I mean, no one even tries to archaeologically check out the Koran or the Hindu scriptures or the Buddhist scriptures.

1:13:08only the Bible can withstand and has withstood 150 years of withering skeptical scrutiny. And here's the bombshell of it all. In 150 years, there's not a single, not one, important archaeological finding that contradicts the Bible. When archaeology first started, the skeptics were like, yo, we're going to use this as a battering ram against the Bible. We're going to show the whole thing is myth and legend. They haven't been able to do this. Now, you mentioned King David. Now, true, for a couple of thousand years, if somebody had asked you, all the way up to like 1990, prove the existence of King David outside the Bible, you couldn't do it.

1:13:47But in the early 1990s, in a place called Tel Dan in northern Israel, out of the ground comes a stone inscription. It's not written by the Israelites. It's written by the king of Syria, a guy named Hazael, and he's boasting about his great victories. And he goes, I won a huge victory over, quote, the house of David. So not only is he confirming David, he's confirming the Davidic dynasty of kings who succeeded David. And then now in the 21st century, an archeologist named Eilat Mazar has found the ruins of King David's palace. Now that is a kind of mind-blowing story to itself. Eilat Mazar comes to an archeological group and says, you guys need to move your visitor center because the palace of King David is underneath your feet.

1:14:34And they go, how could you possibly know that? And she goes, well, in the Bible, it says that King David did not build his own palace. He imported labor from Phoenicia, from the Phoenicians. The Phoenicians sent stonemasons and carpenters to build David's palace. And she goes, you know what? A Phoenician artifact, which is called a capital, the top decorated part of a pillar, a Phoenician capital was found in the ground at this very location. So why would the Phoenicians be here? Well, the Bible tells you they were here to build King David's palace. And so the fact that a Phoenician artifact was located here, and so she raises money, they do an archaeological dig, and guess what?

1:15:15Out of the ground, giant pillars, huge walls, the ruins of what clearly isn't some private residence, but what archaeologists call a monumental building dated back to 1000 BC, which is exactly the time that King David lived. So right now I've walked in it. You can walk in it. The ruins of King David's palace are there for everyone to see. And Dinesh, when you go to Israel and the surrounding regions, I mean, the Jordan River is tautologically real. You can go and see it. The Garden of Gethsemane, like they're actual places. I mean, you could go and see. And I strongly encourage you to do it. And by the way, it has nothing to do with Judaism or Christianity.

1:15:56It's the seed of multiple religions, as you know. So as a history lesson alone, even if you're not, you know, you don't have, you don't subscribe to a particular religion. That's your choice. As a history lesson alone, you'll see these places are real. They existed. I wanted to ask you this because my journey with faith is, you know, I'm always struggling. I get to say, I'm not anyone's preacher. I'm no, you know, I'm not trying to be anybody's moral hero or martyr. I'm just a guy who gets upset about politics with a microphone. And I'm honored that people care at all what I have to say about things.

1:16:29But my journey with faith and, you know, my struggles with my own weaknesses, one of the things I did when I started to make this conversion from a Christmas Easter Catholic to really immersing myself in the faith is I started to listen to the other side, too, because I wanted to be able to make an actual argument. God gave me a brain and reason for a reason. So I started to listen to others, too, like Hitchens. I know you're familiar with his old work, of course. And one of Hitchens, let me just frame it this way. The most powerful argument, I think, for the existence of Jesus was the argument I made about Lee Strobel's book, that nobody dies for a religion they know to be fake.

1:17:09The apostles knew Jesus. They were killed brutally, hung upside down, beheaded. You would think they would say, right, Dinesh? Like, hey, gigs up. Like, I was just kidding. Jesus didn't really write. But they didn't. They were like, no, kill me. So they saw it. That's the difference to me. but Hitchens made an argument a while ago that, well, we were around all this time as human beings and this mystical God just shows up, you know, 2 ,000 years ago out of nowhere. But I think where Hitchens goes wrong or went wrong is there's an assumption built in that you understand, one, the reasons an all-powerful God would do that, and that time, time, you understand time as God understands time.

1:17:50In other words, time is just some linear longitudinal thing, which is even the physics sometimes disputes. It just doesn't make sense. It's like maybe there's a reason there you just don't understand, like my dog doesn't understand calculus. There is an aspect here that unites the believer and the unbeliever. And that is the mystery of how God chooses to reveal himself. See, if it were me, if I were the advisor of God, I'd be like, listen, God, why don't you paint your name on the sky? Like, why don't you engrave the Ten Commandments on the moon? And that way, everybody can see it. There'll be no dispute about it.

1:18:26But God, for reasons unknown to you and me, decides, no, I'm actually going to unfold my story through history in a particular place, in a particular time, and within a certain bracket of dates. Notice the Bible, which kind of historically begins with Abraham. That's about 2000 BC. And the Bible comes to an end about 50 AD. So that is its time span. And even its geographical span is kind of limited. It's Israel. It involves some of the surrounding kingdoms like Egypt and Assyria, later Babylon. But that's the scope of the Bible. Now, the incredible thing is that the Bible itself is written in this thunderous language of revelation, right?

1:19:05In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And so the Bible doesn't prove things. It kind of asserts them. It declares them. I think what's fascinating is that in recent times, in recent years and decades, it's like God is now choosing to use a different language. And that's why I use this title for my book, The Stones Cry Out, because stones can't speak, right? But someone is speaking through the stones. And now you mentioned Jesus, and I'm always fascinated by the great scene of the trial of Jesus, right? Because it involves these fascinating characters. There's King David, there's Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor, there is Caiaphas, the high priest, and then the most mysterious of all defendants, which is Jesus himself.

1:19:48Now, there's fascinating archaeology on all these characters, but I'm going to focus on the high priest named Caiaphas. This guy, Caiaphas, is named in the Bible by only one name, Caiaphas. When Jesus is arrested, he's taken to the home of Caiaphas. Caiaphas organizes the Sanhedrin or the priestly council. He lobbies Rome to get Jesus executed. So he's a really important villain in the Bible. Now, the historian Josephus gives us his first name, Joseph Caiaphas. And again, for many, many centuries, if you believe in Caiaphas, you'd have to believe it on faith. But in recent decades, they're digging in the priestly quarter, the aristocratic portion of Jerusalem, of ancient Jerusalem.

1:20:32And out of the ground come these boxes. They're called ossuaries. It's a stone box. And in the first century AD, If you died, they would bury you in a tomb. But then when your body decayed, they would take your bones out, put it in a box, and put your name on it. So out of the ground come these ossuaries, about 20 of them. And the archaeologists look at them over, and one of them is really ornate. And they see a name on the front, and it says, Yehoseph bar Caiapha. Yehoseph, Joseph, bar, son of Caiaphas. They open the box. It's the bones of a 60-year-old man. and they date the bones. It dates to the first century AD.

1:21:12It's Caiaphas. And the remarkable thing, Dan, is we're not looking at some stone inscription or some ancient writing. You're actually holding the bones of the high priest. So this great scene of Jesus's trial and crucifixion kind of comes to life archaeologically because you realize you're looking at real people and real events. That's it. I never heard that story about Caiaphas before. That's incredible. incredible you know your answer to to the hitchens question i think is is is is incredible and it reminded me a bit of another book i'm fascinated by um hugh ross who wrote a book why the universe is the way it is um a very very brilliant astrophysicist um he writes this book with religious overtones but it's not a religious book it's a book about literally why the universe is the way it is and i hate that word literally it's so overused um and he talks about how you don't understand how intricate and delicate the math and physics that keeps the universe stable for us to see it is he brings up this one point that if the earth was displaced i don't know a couple feet or whatever it may be in a few directions over time like we would not be able to see the expansive nature of the universe like we're in this one pocket of our universe this one small pocket with a small margin of error where we can see every, but no one else can.

1:22:37And he gives the physics of it, the astrophysics of it. And he basically says, that's kind of strange. No, like all these other places they can't see is what we could. It's almost like we were given this window. And that's why I object to arguments like Hitchens argument that are very simplistic. Well, he just showed up late after the dinosaurs and decided to fix things because his timeline was off. You don't even understand how sensitive the timeline chronologically is to enable us to see the universe and all the gifts he gave us. I think the point we're driving at here, Dan, we're both getting at it in slightly different ways, is that skepticism today is kind of on the defensive.

1:23:14It was on the march in earlier decades. And, but now what's happening is the cumulative evidence is stronger and stronger. and it's stronger in the domain of physics, of biology. If you take, for example, the intricacy of the human cell, the human cell is like a supercomputer. And remember, the cell doesn't evolve, right? Darwin doesn't say, I'm going to tell you how the cell evolved. Darwin begins with life. And he goes, I'm going to show you how this form of life transformed into that form of life. But he takes life itself for granted. And so now what happens is biologists look at the ingredients of life itself, the DNA, the cell, the molecular machinery of the cell, and it's mind-blowing.

1:23:57You mentioned these facts about the universe, and you're right. Hugh Ross is the man on this topic. Look at the Earth. The Earth is eight light minutes away from the sun. We kind of have to be where we are. If we're a little closer, we would bake. If we're a little further, we would freeze. So life has to exist in this narrow band. And the same is true with archaeology. What's happened with archaeology now is that there has been a piling up of evidence, and some of it is tiny detail. I'll give one more example. So, in the book of Jeremiah, Jeremiah is kind of this doom and gloom prophet, and he's warning the king that bad things are going to happen to him.

1:24:37And the king is really mad. His name is Zedekiah, and he rounds up two of his sidekicks, kind of like interns. And they're named in the Bible. One is Jehukal, son of Shalamiah. The other is Gedalia, son of Pashur. Weird names. And the king goes, you guys go like keep an eye on Jeremiah and report back to me. And so these guys do that. They become sort of spies. They follow Jeremiah around. At one point, they throw him into a pit. And I've actually stood in that pit. And so, but they are minor characters in the Bible. They are in a few verses and a couple of chapters. And then they disappear off the stage of biblical history.

1:25:16Now, fast forward 2 ,500 years, and they're digging in an area of Jerusalem called the Ophel, right near the temple. And out of the ground come these clay seals. Now, the seals are made of clay. They're used to seal correspondence. And the correspondence, of course, has disappeared. But the seals remain. And one of the seals has a name on it, Jehukal, son of Shalamiah. And two years later, another seal, Gadalia, son of Pashur. Now, come on. I mean, the beauty of this is that suddenly these biblical extras jump into the pages of history via the pathway of archaeology. And the details are so obscure that the archaeologists, sometimes secular guys who find these seals, they don't even know who these people are.

1:26:05They take the seal, they put it somewhere, and then later someone's looking at it in a museum and they go, wait a minute, that guy's in the Bible. That guy's in the book of Jeremiah. And so this is the way that biblical archaeology has, in small cases and large, been authenticating the scripture. But more than that, it also shows the presence of the Jews and their ancestral homeland. I mean, going back thousands of years, by the way, Dan, so, you know, when I hear things like, you know, the Jews are colonizers, I'm like, wait a minute. How do you colonize your own land? This is like accusing the Indians of colonizing India, the Irish of colonizing Ireland.

1:26:42It's absurd. And let's remember that America and the West are built on the foundations of Athens and Jerusalem. Athens, of course, referring to classical reason, Socrates, free speech, democracy, but Jerusalem referring to creation, the Exodus, the Ten Commandments, the wisdom of the prophets and the Proverbs, of course, the Messiah, Jesus. So this book is a sort of intellectual defense of Jerusalem, but doing it using the greatest discoveries of 150 years of biblical archaeology. Book is called The Stones Cry Out, available now for pre-order. Dinesh, just kind of switching gears a little bit, but not really.

1:27:29We're talking about faith and higher, big R, God-given rights, you know, things that matter that are universal to all of us. But faith can be a bad thing too. I think we both agree. If you have faith in an idea that's self-destructive and you refuse to let it go, then faith can be destructive too. What I like about religion is, you know, the Ten Commandments and these guiding points we have in the Bible and the lessons by Jesus lead us in a positive direction. I bring it up because you've seen this return of something you've been fighting for and i appreciate your work for for decades far longer than me socialism um it's it's bad i don't even want to say it's bad it's never really gone anywhere but it's it's you see it just like the anti-semitic nonsense it resurfaces it gets pushed down by the real world when it comes back again but it requires really a perverse act of faith that this next generation of socialists are going to be the right ones that despite every generation of socialists that's tried its result in murder, destruction, imprisonment, poverty, mass starvation, that the next generation is going to get it.

1:28:42I really like Brandon Gill. You know Brandon quite well, obviously. But it's going to require congressmen and political leaders on the Republican side, like Brandon, who what they do is very smart. They let these hearings, they let these socialists than others, answer the questions themselves and try to explain in their own words the nonsensical belief that it's going to work next time. There's an asymmetry here, Dinesh. Socialism is easy to explain. Everybody's going to get stuff. It's going to be great. It's going to be free. The hard work is on our side where we have to message it. And I think he engages that tool up on the hill.

1:29:21Great. Let them explain it. Watch what happens when they engage in this ridiculous circular reasoning. Yeah, I have a couple of thoughts about this. The first one, a general point about faith and reason, notice that the areas in which Christians have faith are areas that are not susceptible to empirical verification. In other words, it's outside the bounds of experience. If I say, for example, I have faith that there's life after death, it's because there's no empirical evidence one way or the other. None of us can go to the other side of the curtain and see for ourselves. So the faith is reasonable in that it is based upon a domain that can't be checked out, right?

1:30:02Similarly, if I say I have a belief in an eternal creator of the universe who is a spirit, that is similarly something that is not subject to sort of universal empirical verification in a kind of scientific sense. Now, let's switch to socialism. In socialism, you have all kinds of empirical evidence, right? You have evidence of North Korea versus South Korea. Compare the two. You have evidence of East Germany versus West Germany. And these are really good examples because we're talking about the same people with the same background. Of course, if you compare two very different countries, you could say, well, it's the German culture versus the African culture or something like that.

1:30:42But we're comparing countries made up of the same ethnic group that have tried to rival economic systems and look at the results. I think what's going on now with these democratic socialists is that the leadership kind of knows all this. And so they are not really being motivated by idealism. Quite honestly, I think they're motivated by gangsterism. They are using the socialist sort of snake oil to try to install themselves in power, whereas their real goal is to feast off the carcass of these blue cities and extract wealth from them and have power over the people there, try to keep them in a kind of state of perpetual dependency.

1:31:29So it's a gangster operation marching behind an idealistic banner. It's not idealistic anymore because no reasonable person today can look at social. I mean, think about it. Socialism is the most discredited idea since slavery. Right. Can anyone with a straight face? Can anyone with a straight face say today, you know, slavery, it's been tried, but, you know, it's it's not been done the right way. This time we're going to do slavery right. I mean, no one would say that. It's too absurd. And yet that's exactly what people do say with regard to socialism. I mean, the Hall of the Door, I mean, the examples that you you forget Khmer Rouge, like there's so many examples.

1:32:07Sometimes when I'm discussing it on the program here, I go, oh, damn, I should have mentioned that one, too. You're right. It's just that the evidence is, please, and with the surrogate brain of AI now, I'm sorry, but there's just no excuse to be stupid. We say on the show all the time, I don't mean to be, you know, crass about it, but stupid is a choice now. You can just go to AI and ask questions and get answers. Dinesh, I really appreciate all your work, not just now, but through the years. You know, I've been a big supporter of all of your work. If you haven't seen Dinesh's library debates on college campuses going back 20 years, some of it's just gold.

1:32:43My favorite is him debunking the Southern strategy nonsense about the Republican Party. My personal favorite. Dinesh, thanks a lot for your time. Good luck with the book. The book is called The Stones Cry Out. Please pick it up on preorder today. There's evidence, folks. All you got to do is read it. Dinesh, thanks for your time. Dan, always a pleasure. I love that guy, folks. He's been around this movement for a really long time. And for those of you who missed that, put in Dinesh's Southern strategy when he just dismantles this guy. The Republican Party appealed to the racist, horrible people in the South.

1:33:15And Dinesh was like, really? That's kind of interesting because as the South started to dump de facto and de jure racism and became a more diverse place, it also became, that's crazy, more Republican. It's so weird. It's almost like it's the opposite argument. Just kind of common sense, right? man I again great guy check out his book thanks again for tuning in make sure you tune in to Haley at noon Sean Farish following after that rumble.com slash Haley rumble.com slash Sean S-H-A-W-N and Vince every morning at 8 a.m. how do we watch on rumble I get this question just download the rumble app what does it cost me nothing it is totally free but I like to watch on the web okay go to rumble.com slash Bongino.

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