What Just Happened With Obama? (w/ Sean Davis) | 07/25/25

0:04Dan Bongino:Hey everybody, welcome to Vince on a Monday. Now I'm currently traveling and then I'll be in the Silverlock studio all week next week, but you thought I was going to leave you without any content. No, no, no. In fact, I've left you with some great content here. The conversation you're about to hear is between me and Sean Davis and we're talking all about everything that's transpired from Obamagate or whatever you want to call it. the corruption of the Obama administration as they colluded to upend the duly elected president of the United States, Donald Trump. We'll get into all the details. Obviously, since we had this conversation on Friday, I will stipulate whatever you hear here can't account for whatever broke over the weekend, which is totally fine.

0:46Dan Bongino:But Sean Davis is one of the smartest guys out there. And I'm always privileged every time I get to chat with him. Sean Davis now joins us. He's the co-founder and CEO of The Federalist. Sean, good to talk to you as always, sir. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure. Okay, so all of the Tulsi Gabbard disclosures, the media have already been, ever since she started them, saying this is old news, she's lying, she's distorting, there's nothing to see here, we should be talking about Epstein instead. Give us your sense of the gravity of Tulsi's disclosures. I think they were huge. I think they're probably some of the biggest bombshells in what she released, really since we got a look at the FISA application that was fraudulent and full of lies that they used to spy on Carter Page in the Trump campaign.

1:37What she released specifically was back in 2017, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, which was led by Devin Nunes, they smelled a rat. And so they started digging into the whole Russia collusion hoax. And there were kind of two aspects to what they were looking at because there were really two pillars of the Russia collusion hoax. Number one was the claim that Russia actively interfered in America's elections because they wanted Trump to win and they wanted to steal the election from Hillary Clinton. And then number two, that second pillar was that Trump actively colluded with and worked with the Russians to steal the election from Hillary Clinton.

2:23And so the Nunes Intel Committee looked at both of those and we learned a ton. basically i think everything there was to know about the collusion nonsense there was a multi-year 30 40 50 million dollar investigation from moeller that found absolutely no evidence whatsoever of any collusion between trump and the russians but we never really got any sort of conclusion or closure on that first pillar which was that uh russia and putin wanted trump to win and that's why they were intervening. And so what Gabbard released was a very lengthy oversight product put together by Nunes' committee back in 2017.

3:02And it was their wholesale takedown of why the intelligence community assessment, the ICA, that found that Trump or that Putin aspired for Trump to win, it was their takedown of why that was nonsense. And the corrupt intel community, the the people who had burrowed into the cia even after trump became president in 2017 as well as the biden admin they had been hiding this for years and so tulsi finally allowed that to be released and we got to see um you know in in open sunlight all the reasons why that initial ica which was the foundation for the entire russian collusion hoax was nonsense it's so

3:45Dan Bongino:crazy to me that Congress can conduct an investigation, have the truth, and still not be able to release it to the public, that somehow the intel community got to control what Congress could share with the rest of us? Doesn't that seem out of whack to you? Yeah, it's totally crazy that an oversight committee, which created the intelligence agencies, which funds them, which restricts what they can do and cannot do, but that Congress somehow isn't able to release its own documents. And the way the intel community controls information is through classification. I think everyone's heard, you know, classify this, classify that.

4:19This is top secret. They have this whole game where they play, where they will classify stuff, even if it's not classified in any way. So no one can ever learn about it. And they will use that to basically blackmail Congress or restrict Congress from releasing what it wants.

4:33Dan Bongino:Yes. And we've discovered, of course, that they use classification as a way to cover up their crimes. That's what this is. And when you talk about the Intel Committee, one thing that really stands out to me in this saga that I don't think enough people have dwelled on is one of the lead investigators on the Intel Committee who wasn't a congressman was Kash Patel. So the current FBI director knew about the classified contents of this report. He knew all of the stuff that we, the rest of us are just finding out about. President Trump picked him to run the FBI, and now he's in a position to do something about this.

5:08Dan Bongino:This seems like a big deal, Sean Davis. It is a big deal. And it's why people like Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell and Mark Warner and all these crooks were so desperate to prevent people like Cash and people like Tulsi from getting into these positions of power and authority because they knew what Cash knew. They knew what Devin knew. And they knew that when they were going on TV and talking about, oh, we have all this evidence of collusion. And they knew those were lies because they saw all the intel. And it's why they were terrified of Trump winning another term and getting back in there with people who knew where all the bodies were buried.

5:47It's why they wanted to prevent it. It's why they were so desperate to throw Trump in prison and bankrupt him and prevent him from ever becoming president again, because they knew when that happened, they were actually going to be in some real jeopardy.

5:59Dan Bongino:Yeah, it sure seems like it. So among the people who are very obviously guilty of crimes here is John Brennan. John Brennan is the CIA director. Your website has had fantastic reporting on all of the lies that he's been involved in. We now know that he pushed very aggressively to include the Hillary Clinton Steele dossier as the basically the entire basis, as far as I'm concerned, of the intelligence community assessment that was released publicly. in January of 2017. That document never acknowledged publicly that Hillary Clinton's fake research was used as the basis of it. But the reason it got there was John Brennan.

6:43Dan Bongino:John Brennan would later go on television and before Congress and lie in all of those forums about the use of the Steele dossier. It does seem like that is almost the clearest single piece of evidence we have of the cover-up that was involved here and the manipulations that were being done. Oh yeah, and it's actually way more insidious than just knowing, oh, he lied about the Steele dossier being cited in the main body of the Intel community assessment, because he actually played games with different versions. So there was a final version. Well, there were actually two drafts that were pushed around the Intel community at the time.

7:23The first one, which was released on December 20th, 2016, did not have a steel dossier crap in it because the actual intel professionals at the CIA said, this thing's garbage. No, there's absolutely no way we're putting this in there. And Brennan overruled them, forced it into the main body. And so there was a final version or a final draft that was released of that ICA on December 28th, 2016. But there were different versions of that. There was one version that was classified top secret. It was only given to Obama and top intel community heads, people like Comey, Brennan, Clapper. It was that version that had the Steele dossier cited in the main body of the ICA.

8:01However, the version they gave to Congress and the version that was declassified and made available to the public, it didn't have that in there. So when Brennan goes and lies to Congress and says, no, no, no, it was never in the main body of the ICA, he did that on purpose. He knew it was in there. He personally forced it in there over the objections of intel experts. But he knew that when he went to Congress and said, oh, no, it wasn't in there, he gave them a totally fraudulent version. So it's more than him just lying. He was going to pretty crazy lengths to make sure that no one would ever discover his lies.

8:38Dan Bongino:And that Steele dossier, the way it was weaponized, there's a million ways that it was used and weaponized. But one of them that sticks out to me is if my memory serves correctly, when Obama was briefed on its existence and how it worked and what it was all about. He was he talked to James Comey and they had a conversation where he asked around the room, who's going to Trump Tower to brief him, meaning Donald Trump. And it became it was Comey. And Obama said something like good luck or whatever. and comey went to trump tower he briefed president trump in early january 2017 about the existence of the steel dossier and the fake allegations inside of it he didn't say they were fake he said that the russians apparently have this intel and then it was instantly leaked to cnn they run the story and then buzzfeed publishes the entirety of the steel dossier so all of those pieces feel like they're very interconnected, Sean.

9:35Oh, they are. Yeah. So if we're looking at the kind of the post-election timeline, Trump wins. He wasn't supposed to win. Hillary was supposed to win, break the glass ceiling and all that. Trump wins. And suddenly that's when the coup kind of kicks in. And so they had the Steele dossier floating around. The FBI had this open investigation on Trump, but they hadn't really done anything on it other than illegally spying on him. But they hadn't really like activated their little plan. That happens post-election. The ICA was the beginning of it. They had to have the imprimatur of CIA approval before they could go and kind of weaponize all the findings.

10:14So the ICA is key to all of it. So they have this ICA, which is totally bogus and full of lies that remember, we talked about those two pillars that Russia was actively interfering to help Trump win, which was not true. Two, they had to prove that Trump was colluding. So you have this meeting on January 5th in the Oval Office of 2017, where all the main national security principles get together. It was Obama, Susan Rice, Biden, Comey, Clapper, Brennan. And that's really where they're hatching the full plan to launch this coup, maybe prevent Trump's inauguration and cripple his presidency if they can't prevent him from being inaugurated.

10:53So on January 5th, they all meet. They all decide on this course of action. Comey's the guy picked to go to the Oval to Trump Tower and brief Trump. And the sole purpose of that meeting was to leak it. That was the entire purpose. They had been trying to get people to write about the Steele dossier and the allegations in it. And all the journalists who looked at it were like, no, this is garbage. No, we can't. We can't go out and say this. So what they knew was, oh, if we go and brief Trump on it, then we can leak that the intel community took it so seriously that they had to brief a current and incoming president on it.

11:26Dan Bongino:Didn't Clapper say that CNN has this, but they need a news hook? There was an early piece of information, I believe it was James Clapper who said that, that CNN apparently is on this story, but they don't have a news hook for it. And then the news hook was born. Comey went. He briefed Trump. And suddenly it's like, oh, people are talking about this thing. Yeah. And what's fascinating is BuzzFeed, which was just a pile of nonsense. BuzzFeed was just a horrific news organization. However, the only truly journalistic thing Ben Smith has ever done in his stupid journalistic career, and it was by accident, was publish that dossier.

12:09And they did it, in my view, because they thought, oh, once people see these allegations, they'll know Trump is cooked. But the reality is that as soon as people were able to put their eyes on that document, that's when anyone with a brain knew the entire Russia collusion hoax was a criminal conspiracy to get rid of Trump because nobody with a brain could read that and think, oh, yeah, this is real. Yeah. All these things happened. Trump, famous germaphobe. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was paying prostitutes to pee on him, which was a that was the key salacious claim in the dossier that everyone wanted out there.

12:42That was the thing that Comey mentioned to Trump in the meeting. But once you laid eyes on that dossier that BuzzFeed published, that's when we knew, at least internally here at The Federalist, we're like, oh, this thing is a massive criminal conspiracy against the elected government of the United States.

12:58Dan Bongino:I want to talk, I want to back up the timeline a little bit because I think one of the most important acts that demonstrate the intent of the Obama regime was that December 9th presidential daily brief that was supposed to include the following finding from the intel community that Putin had not stolen the election for Trump. And in fact, there was no credible evidence to suggest that he was demonstrating a preference for Trump. And that was supposed to appear in the December 9th presidential daily brief. When Tulsi Gabbard first released this, I found it a little puzzling that it mattered too much because I thought maybe, oh, maybe they're just keeping this out of the document as one further way to not memorialize their scheme.

13:44Dan Bongino:That could be the explanation. But again, it's classified. It's not for public dissemination. So what's the point here? And then you come to realize, wait a second. President Trump began receiving the presidential daily brief on November 15th of 2016 and would ever after as president of the United States because he's entitled to that. In other words, Sean, it looks pretty clear to me that the Biden people were trying to keep President Trump from knowing that they knew the truth, that Putin did not steal the election and wasn't showing a preference for Trump. Yeah. And by the way, you as far as I know, you were the first person who made that connection.

14:22Like I hadn't even thought of that. And I think you put it on Twitter. And I found that absolutely fascinating. And man, kudos to you for making that connection, because you're exactly right. That is why they pulled that presidential daily brief is they had this little plan in motion. It was still half baked because they didn't have the ICA out yet. They needed that out. And so they get this thing in the presidential daily brief saying that actually Putin's cyber operations didn't really accomplish anything and they really didn't seem to have a preference other than sowing chaos and maybe damaging Hillary on her way in.

14:55But no, it was that that was such a an obvious sign of criminal conspiratorial intent that they pulled it because they couldn't have Trump learning the truth and they needed time to bake up their little conspiracy. and that thing was going to be an arrow in the Achilles heel of what they were trying to do. It is a shocking, shocking fact and piece of evidence in the conspiracy against Trump and the American people that they were running.

15:22Dan Bongino:And let me thank you for the compliment on posting. I know my post got a lot of attention, but I should extend the credit where it's due, which is I had seen I hadn't consumed the interview, but I had seen, I believe, the General Flynn, the incoming national security adviser, may have said this to Matt Taibbi and his reporting, his great reporting on the subject. And I would later, I did talk to actually this past week, I talked to General Flynn about this. I had him on my radio show and I asked him about the presidential daily brief and he said, it's exactly right. I was receiving them every day as the incoming national security advisor.

15:52Dan Bongino:I was receiving these presidential daily briefs. If that detail had been included, I would have seen it. It wasn't included on purpose. And General Flynn believes for the very reasons that you and I are talking about, it was kept from him. Speaking of General Flynn, talk about a guy whose life was absolutely obliterated by these lies. They they they cooked up this idea that the Trump people were colluding with the Russians. And General Flynn took so many of the early daggers for that lie. Oh, no, he was he was absolutely martyred. And you go back, you remember the whole case against him was that he allegedly lied to FBI investigators who ambushed him in the White House under false pretenses, interviewed him.

16:35and said that he had lied about when he said he didn't talk sanctions with the Russian ambassador when he was talking to him. Sergey Kislyak, right? Yep. Yeah. Like the Forrest Gump of Russian collusion. I feel like we don't know everything about his true role in that, but that's another topic for another day. But we eventually get this transcript of Flynn's call. And you read through it and you're like, no, he actually never discussed sanctions. He talked about expulsions, which are a very different legal means of dealing with foreign chicanery where you expel their diplomats from the country.

17:11But sanctions has a very particular meaning. And if you go back and look at the indictment of Flint, they cited a very particular section of federal law talking about financial sanctions. And when we got that final transcript after demanding it for years that they had leaked and lied about to David Ignatius at the Post, you read it and you're like, no, he never talked about sanctions once. He never talked about financial sanctions. And it is to the great discredit to the bar DOJ that even as they were trying to end that case against him, against the wishes of a totally corrupt judge in D.C., they even got that wrong.

17:47They were wrong that he talked about financial sanctions. The man never did.

17:52Dan Bongino:Also, maybe I'm wrong, but my assumption that he was that would have been inbounds. He was the incoming national security adviser. So so even if he was talking sanctions, he's the incoming national security adviser for the duly elected president of the United States. It is not some sort of subversion of the intent of the people for the guy who's tasked with handling this massive element of foreign policy to be discussing foreign policy. The idea that that was scandalized in any capacity was an atrocity. yeah and we still don't know by the way who leaked it we still don't know who illegally leaked uh the the existence of the call uh portions of the call um to david ignatius who's been a cia cut out his entire career so uh it's criminal so on this story on the on that side of it this is another piece i think that demonstrates the treasonous conspiracy that tulsi gaver keeps talking about comey has openly bragged in public about how they entrapped mike flynn he said they sent a couple of agents over to the white house in the early days of the trump white house he said he took advantage of the chaos of their arrival uh and it's by now i think hopefully it should be clear to people mike flynn thought he was just talking to federal government employees he didn't think he was talking to people who were trying to target him they come into the white house they they start demanding all sorts of answers he's allowed to say whatever he wants to them they leave they turn it into a federal case against him comey bragged about it he said that he he he talked about how his deception led to mike flynn's prosecution strikes me that we should probably include that among the evidence for the treasonous conspiracy absolutely because you'll hear people complain well oh we can't do anything to them they've escaped you know the statute of Limitations is over on them lying to Congress and doing all this and that.

19:41The statute of Limitations is not over on criminal conspiracy. And that's what this was. This was a criminal conspiracy to overturn election results, to defraud the American people and the president for the purposes of launching a coup against the elected government of the United States. And I've said this for like eight years until I've been blue in the face until people go to prison for this. And by the way, not a single person has gone to prison, not even the FBI lawyer who fabricated emails to put in a FISA warrant to illegally spy on a presidential campaign. That guy didn't even go to prison.

20:15And until people go to prison, we're going to be dealing with the consequences of this forever because they're going to do it again. When people know they can get away with treason and sedition, when they can launch coups with impunity, they will do it again and again and again. So people have to go to prison. I don't care if it takes five years or 10 years or 50 years. People have to go to prison for this.

20:37Dan Bongino:It's not like we haven't seen seditious conspiracy charges. The oath keepers were prosecuted for seditious conspiracy charges for the events of January 6, 2021. And the only problem they have is that they're not rich, powerful, well-connected people and Democrats, particularly in this case. So we have recent history to support this. Do you think it'll happen? I really don't know. I mean, the way they have been talking and the nature of the documents they have been releasing suggests to me that they're serious about taking conspiracy charges against people like Brennan and Comey. Tulsi Gabbard definitely is.

21:21Dan Bongino:I don't think there's any question. I think she's very serious about that. Well, and then you saw that DOJ is using what's called a strike force to examine conspiracy and fraud charges as opposed to a special counsel, which I think is a very, very good idea. If you look at the history of strike forces, these were used by DOJ early on in their war against organized crime. And they're used to align multiple different federal agencies towards the same goal, which is bringing to justice people who have been running massive conspiracies and fraud. So I think that fact is a really good development in this.

21:58So I'm hopeful, but, you know, I'm also super cynical having been alive and conscious for the last eight years. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

22:04Dan Bongino:No, but I think the players here are important. So Tulsi Gabbard is legit. I think she's totally legit. I think Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are sincere about this. They've written books on the subject. They're obsessed with it. They want to bring it to a conclusion. Ed Martin is the head of the weaponization group at the Justice Department. He's obsessed with this. He represented January 6th defendants, and he was crucified for literally being a lawyer on behalf of a defendant. Tom Tillis tried to destroy him, kept him from becoming a U.S. attorney. You've got a lot of really, I think, dedicated public servants who are in a position to do something about this now.

22:36Dan Bongino:But you're right. You still harbor all this skepticism that something will be done, because as you pointed out, that FBI lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, he just got a wrist slap. There was nothing. He straight up lied in documentation to spy on a Naval Academy graduate, Carter Page. He lied and it was allowed to happen and there were no consequences. So this that detail, this detail in particular is why so many people keep throwing their hands up and say things like, well, nothing is going to happen. Nothing is going to happen. This is our best shot, isn't it, Sean, in terms of in terms of the people and the timing?

23:10it is especially given what happened to trump over the last several years they tried to bankrupt him they tried to imprison him they tried to make him die in jail they tried to kill him so this is a different man especially having watched what they did during the 2020 election and knowing what we know and what i think trump has known for years about the russia collusion hoax um i don't i don't think they're messing around um now i get the cynicism and the discouragement from people who are mad that no one's in jail yet. And they say, oh, well, you know, who cares? We knew all this. No, we didn't know all this.

23:44And even if no one goes to jail, which would suck, we deserve to know all this information. So I get frustrated with the, you know, nothing matters. Who cares? We all knew this crowd because it's really, really important to have transparency. Yes, you have accountability, but you have to have transparency.