Who Else Were They Spying On? | Episode 141

27:18So this is almost two months later. they're casting this net, this fishing expedition against members of the Senate and the House. I've been investigating this with Senator Grassley. This doesn't surprise me, but it should shock every American. It definitely should. And that timeline, you know, there's going to be a lot that's said about this. You're going to see it all over conservative media, especially, and you should, people who are completely outraged that these senators were being spied on. But I just want to emphasize that timeline he gave to you. It's 2022 when Jack Smith and his team with the FBI are rifling through Melania's underwear drawer at Mar-a-Lago.

28:03In 2023, that's when the indictment drops in August against President Trump to try and of course, just before the election, to stagger his ability to become president again. But then it's September of 2023 that they seek to spy on these senators after the Trump indictment's already out. So after whatever investigating Jack Smith felt like doing into Donald Trump as a predicate to indicting him, then he starts spying on United States senators. Do the math on that to establish that these were legitimate law enforcement actions. Go ahead. Provide. Go ahead, lefties. Go ahead, Jack, wherever the hell you are.

28:39provide a justification for why you're spying on members of the United States Senate.

28:47What is that? It certainly sounds to me like it was the beginnings of an operation to try and make their lives a living hell if the left continued to control the levers at the United States Department of Justice. That's what it sounds like to me. So I want to engage you in a thought experiment. Imagine, I know this is horrifying, But imagine if Kamala Harris had become president of the United States. What would our Justice Department look like right now? Who would be being prosecuted right now? Which of these United States senators would be in a world of hurt right now because of the ongoing surveillance and thin pretext politicized tyrannical prosecutions that the left would be conducting right now?

29:38Right now. We already saw what this looked like in practice with Donald Trump. They spied on his campaign. They spied on him. They created hoax information as a predicate to accuse him of all sorts of awful things, colluding with America's enemies to steal an election. We've seen what they're capable of. Just imagine what kind of mission you just stopped from happening. What I mean by that is every one of these Republican senators have you to thank for stopping further injustices from being carried out against them. You voted for Donald Trump. You voted to give Republicans control of the Senate.

30:20You voted to give Republicans control of the House. Were it not for that fact pattern right now, we would not know about the extent of the surveillance on these United States senators. And they'd they'd be in a world of hurt. They'd be feeling like the Trump family did for years. So to be clear, a massive scandal. And and do you do you not read anything into this? Dan Bongino himself personally gets this information from the FBI and he hand walks it over to the United States Senate Senate yesterday. And then he briefs every one of these senators on the way that the government was abusing them.

31:01This is a massive, massive story. And I can't wait for the day when Dan is back in front of a microphone when he can talk about it, too. And my plan is to to do an interview with him on the subject as well. I think I'll have a lot to say. Great to have you with us as always in a moment. I'll be talking to the great Haley Karania live in studio, which is such a treat. Really appreciate her being here. Before I get there, though, I got to thank our great sponsors. Doctors call it weight cycling. Not a good thing. It sounds like a good thing. It's not a good thing. It's a bad thing. Don't interpret this as a good thing, weight cycling.

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34:22You can see her on Rumble. If you're watching me right now, you can see her right here with me. And you can listen to her great podcast all the time. Haley, it is so great to see you in Washington, D.C. It is so great to see you. We never get to do this, so it's a lot of fun, and I'm happy to be in D.C. Did you have any part of your career in D.C.? Were you in New York? I was in New York. Yeah. So I used to travel to D.C. quite a bit when I was working at Fox because then, you know, something big would happen. The whole Kavanaugh thing was happening. We were here all the time. Yeah. So I used to come to D.C.

34:52frequently, but I've never lived here, and I haven't been back in probably four or five years, so it's been a while. I'm seeing less homeless people, by the way. I was about to ask. I was going to say, what is it like? I mean, because that is the time frame. I mean, four or five years ago, there's homeless encampments. Union Station is miserable. There's, like, zombie people who are over-deeing on fentanyl. Now it's like it is legitimately way cleaner. The White House, I mean, obviously the president is prone to a slight amount of overstatement. He's like, there's zero crime anywhere. Right. No, it's a utopia.

35:23Yeah, you can walk around with, like, money just hanging out of your pockets and nobody will take it. it's not quite that but it's basically it's a million better better than right and i will say i did not go to the union station area so that's really where a lot of the homelessness was and that's like where the fox building was over there so that's where i spent most of my time um in dc a few years ago but so i wasn't back there but i was honestly impressed with how clean it is yes and i was walking around yesterday trying to do some man on the street interviews um not a lot people were speaking english where by all the monuments and stuff so it was by the monuments yeah so it was hard to get some interviews with people who understood but i was all non-english speakers by the monuments yeah which i thought was interesting there's a trick to having having done journalism in dc for a while and dealt with a lot of reporters for man on the street you went to the right place so you really should be in the kind of tourist areas because when you get outside of them and you get onto like k street or near the capital it's just people who work here and live Yes.

36:21And they're all either, they're very hyper-resistant to even pretending like they want to tell the truth to a microphone. So they're just like, no, I have no interest in that whatsoever. They're all guarded because they see the media all the time. Maybe they know how bad the media are. And I feel like when I, because my whole career has been in the media, if someone ever came up to me with a microphone, I work in the media. You don't want to talk to me. Yeah. Right? You want someone who's totally unbiased. You want someone who's just walking by on the street. I'm walking like into my job at Fox News or at Newsmax or wherever I was working.

36:48I don't know. I'm like, you don't want to talk to me. But nowadays, I think I would jump all over a chance to be on a man on the street. If somebody stuck a microphone in front of me and had no idea that this was the business I was in, I'd be like, dude, I'm all in. I'm giving them exactly what they want. I have no idea who you are or what you're doing, but I am in. I agree 100 percent to doing this. So I've talked to you a couple times about this, but I do want to let me just ask you this because I think the audience is interested, too. I don't think everybody knows your origin story. So I do want to ask you a little bit about that.

37:15You mentioned you worked at Fox. You worked with and for Sean Hannity, right? Yes. So my first job, well, my first job ever, you know, I interned a lot. So I interned maybe four or five times. My first internship was in local news. And I thought, well, this is boring. Where? On Long Island. Okay. So that's where I'm from. And I just thought, I love news. I'm in the right industry, but I need to think a little bigger. I'm more interested in politics. I'm interested in stories that impact more than one or two people. Was your ambition to be on camera? No. So you went in just because you were kind of, you liked the news gathering experience or what?

37:51I liked storytelling and I knew that I didn't want to be bored. And the news industry is not boring. It is a lot of things, but it is not boring. Yes. And I didn't want to sit at a desk nine to five. I'm bad at math. So I knew I wasn't going to, you know, be a CEO of something. I knew that. So I wanted to do something entertaining and fun. And news was, well, I studied film and television. Yeah. And my dad said, well, you better get a job that pays you. If you're going to study film and television, you better get a job. After all, college and everything, you better make it worth it. He's right.

38:24So I figured, okay. At first, I kind of wanted to go into the film side of things and do set design. Because I'm very creative. But I figured, okay, well, let me make my dad happy and go work at a news station. Because I can get health benefits. I can get like a legitimate job. I know where my next paycheck is coming from. So the news side of it was a little more stable than the film side. so I kind of went down that route. Oh, yeah, yeah. I took a studio television production class and just fell in love with it. Once I was in the control room, I thought, this is what I want to do. I want to be pushing buttons.

38:54I want to be in that news gathering sense that you were talking about. One thing I discovered about media that fit really well for me when I got into news was the reality that the news cycle changes so rapidly that your every day is, it's not always a blank slate. Like, you do have to remember a lot of things that have happened in the past in order to contextualize what's happening in the present. That said, you don't have huge projects that extend for months. So when you're coming up in education and you go to college or something, you've got this like long project, you got to write a 50 page paper or whatever it is like there's it's like weeks and weeks of effort.

39:30You're like driving you crazy. You're writing it for an audience of one. You're just speaking to a professor. Media is a totally different experience. Like if you hate long projects, you're going to love the news. Right. Every day is different. Every day is like a blank slate. Like, boom, you just you have to focus like crazy on your work for the next 24 hours. Right. And then as soon as as soon as my shows are done, as soon as your show is done, what are you doing? Are you thinking a lot about the show you just did? No, you're starting over the next one. Yep. Which is nice. It's always very forward thinking for the most part.

39:57But yeah, so after I interned a few times, I interned at Fox News and I interned there four times. So they kind of had to hire me at some. I was like the cockroach that wouldn't go away. They couldn't tell me. So I knew that I wanted to work there. And I ended one of my internships was in advertising and on air promotion. And I had a wonderful boss who taught me how to write, which is. I can't tell you how important that skill is in news and being able to write concisely and get people's attention. That is so helpful. And he was amazing. And he took all the interns under his wing, everyone in his department.

40:35I mean, truly, I was very, very lucky to have a great boss. Well, knowing that helps you organize your thinking too. Yes. So even in your verbal presentation You start to become aware of like oh that is a really important detail that I need to emphasize Right, so he was great and I was good at the writing and I was writing promos So if I was promoting I was working at Fox at the time So I was promoting all the shows and what their interviews were gonna be like tune in tonight to you know At that point it was Tucker Carlson tonight or Bill O 'Reilly Megyn Kelly, like all these names that are no longer in the establishment media, they're new media.

41:06Right. But I was promoting whoever they were having on the show. Yes. And that's not a small task. So like your job is not every guest is a name. Right. So you have to make a decision. Is the topic more important than the guest? Is the guest more important than the topic? How am I convincing this audience to even tune in and watch? Exactly. So that is exactly right. And so I did that and I loved it. I did it for two and a half years. And then I kind of got into this line of thinking where I'm going to use the word FOMO because fear of missing out yes I'm working at this massive news company and I'm not working on a show I thought I'm missing out I'm missing out of a huge part of the industry I'm promoting what these people are doing but I want to be part of it right I want to be the movers and shakers I want to be on the editorial staff I want to be deciding what stories get covered and what doesn't I don't want to be the one promoting it so I ended up working on this massive marketing campaign with all of the talent at fox and i met all of them and got a chance to meet all of them and most of them are wonderful people and they take your time and they're just very wonderful i like how you said most yeah i'm not going to get into you know exact details but yeah not everyone is awesome in this industry there is so much and i don't want to say scandal but there that that just saying most is enough to perk to pique my curiosity i'm I'm like, I love the little gap that doesn't include most.

42:26Most people are great. Yeah, that's true. Some are not. I'll leave it at that. Because I don't want to get into too much trouble on the show. You're independent now. You're free. I know, I know. But I just don't want to say anything too negative about anyone. You're a nice person. You're good. But, you know, Sean Hannity, for example, is one of the most wonderful people I've ever met in the industry. And he's one of the best bosses I'll ever have in my life. And I was so grateful to work on his show. Like, he is one of the greats. So I was able to talk with him at this marketing campaign. Yeah.

42:56And he said, well, if you ever want to work on the TV side of things, my executive producer was over there. And I literally just pivoted my feet and went over to go talk to her. I said, I will do that. Went over to his executive producer and I probably bothered her. Every Monday and Friday, I think I emailed her. If there's an opening on the show, let me know. If there's an opening on the show, let me know. Yeah. Every Monday and Friday, I would just check in, you know, over the weekend. Hey, how was your weekend? Let me know if there's an opening on the show. So finally, after weeks of doing that, a job opening opened up on the show as a booker.

43:25So I booked his guests for maybe two and a half years, ended up writing for him, field producing for him, just kind of growing and growing and growing. And I absolutely loved every second of it. Then I moved over to Newsmax to write more. You condensed all of that into like half a sentence. But just so people understand what you're describing, this is not easy work that you just described it very quickly. It's hard. is relentless work, especially booking, because not everybody is responsive. It is not easy. You've got to be like beating people's doors down. It doesn't matter. I mean, it helps that you work at like a place like Fox with Sean.

43:59It increases your response rate, but it doesn't diminish the amount of effort that you have to put in to do these jobs. So these are. Yeah. So you put in real work. It got to a point, Vince. I don't know if this has ever happened to you in this industry, but I started getting work nightmares where I would dream about I was working so much that I was working in my sleep also. So we kind of had this rule and this kind of went for everyone in the building. But and I was talking about this with Andy and Justin last night. But when you work at the number one cable news network and this was at the time and we really during the first Trump administration, we had no competition.

44:39Rachel Maddow was our only competition and she was maybe the fifth watched show. And then CNN was like the 20th. Like we didn't even have to worry about CNN at the time. That's right. So there was a lot of internal competition. It was a lot of Fox bookers fighting with Fox bookers to get the best guests. So we were working 24 seven. And by the way, the hosts do that too. Right. So the hosts of those shows, like I know just having talked to them about this, they'll look at the ratings and then they'll be like, like Tucker will be like, we beat Hannity last night. Right. And Hannity, and Hannity will get the ratings.

45:11I don't know Hannity as well as you do. I've met him once, but I guarantee you he looked at the ratings. He's just like, thank God we beat Tucker last night. Right. Like, it's like, that's just the way they do it. Like, they don't have anybody, at the time especially, they didn't have anybody else to compete against, so they just competed against each other. And it was, yes, there was a little bit of internal competition. Like, we want to beat him, we want to beat him, we want to beat him. But. It's good. I think it's healthy. We were very happy to just have Fox be the winner, you know? So if, you know, if Tucker won that night or Hannity won that night or whatever, it was like, great, Fox won, but we got to beat him the next night.

45:42That's fun. So how do you meet Dan Bongino? How does that happen? So I booked him on Hannity a bunch of times, and it started off that we would book him to fight with Geraldo Rivera two nights a week. And I was explaining this to Andy last night too. You were responsible for that. Yes. So we got this minute-by-minute report, and they would bring us in for meetings, and minute-by-minute of the show, we would see the ratings. And it was like this up and down. You could see what topics did well, what guests did well together, and they would just give us an idea of what guests did well together on a panel, what topics did well.

46:18And when Geraldo and Dan fought about immigration and other hot button issues, the ratings would just spike like crazy. So we would sit in these meetings and they would say, Haley, you got to book these people. We got to do this twice a week. We can't just do it once a week. We have to do it twice a week. Then everyone loved Dan so much that it was like, let's get Dan on standby Monday through Friday. He's going to be a fixture on this show. So I ended up talking to Dan almost every day. if not every day. So when you were, so in those, before we get to like, you know, you joining Silverlock and everything, but is, when you're talking to Geraldo, is there ever a point where Geraldo's like, I don't want to do this anymore?

46:55No. Like, this is driving me crazy? No. No, Geraldo was all in? They were all in. They were very respectful. It was, not that they were playing a part for the show, but it was like, we're friends. Yeah. We're going to fight and we're going to debate right now, but there's a level of respect. Wait, What is it like dealing with Geraldo? I remember I saw him at one of the Republican conventions, and I had listened to an interview with Geraldo Rivera. I had heard him on the – we're showing on screen Dan Bungino. These are the iconic debates. Yeah, that Haley arranged. So I talked to Geraldo in a green room at a convention.

47:30A green room is like a holding area for you to sit before you go on television on Fox or whatever network you're at, and there's Geraldo. And I had listened to an interview with him from years ago. Howard Stern had interviewed him. And during the Howard Stern interview, he talked all about how he had like he had snuck into this mental hospital and he like it exposed all these people being abused. And it was very gonzo. Someone had given him a key. So he climbed the wall and got in. It was all very fascinating. And it was the first time when I heard that interview, it was the first time I didn't think of him as a cartoon character.

47:59I thought like, well, that's kind of crazy, kind of wild. There was something cool about that. And so I see him and I don't know Geraldo, but I figured, well, I'll just tell him that I thought his interview was neat. So I was like, hey, I heard your Howard Stern interview. I thought it was great. And the first thing he says to me is, why is everyone talking about that Howard Stern interview? I did that years ago. He starts complaining that I brought it up. Like, he was just, like, instantly bitching about, like, and I was like, I don't even. It's an iconic moment. Sorry. I'm like, why did I even talk to you?

48:26And, like, and then he's just, he just seems grumpy all the time. Is he grumpy all the time? He was always very sweet to me and always very kind and respectful. So I can't add to that. But yeah, some guests would be okay with getting canceled. Some guests would be very angry. So it was a lot of touch and go, relationship mending, being a booker as well. You know, a lot of hurt egos, bruised egos, people thinking that they're way cooler than they are, way more important than they are. For sure. For sure. Okay. So then at some point you make the decision, do you go right from Fox to this? No. What was the sequence of events?

49:06Kind of. So I went over to Newsmax because when you're working on one of the top shows in the world, they, you know, they don't want you to be trying things out. I mean, it's the best of the best working on the show. And I really wanted to learn how to line produce and I wanted to write monologues. I wanted to be, I wanted to shape the top of the show and I wanted to kind of make mistakes. And you can't make mistakes on the top show in the world. So everything you're saying is like, so still you had no interest in doing the camera work. Not at this point. You were all in on just like, I'm going to be the best damn producer I can be.

49:41Yes. And once, so I went over to Newsmax because I figured, okay, there are less viewers. It's an up and coming network. Let me not make my mistakes on air. I don't mean it like that, but I don't want to make my mistakes on the number one show on cable news, but I do want to learn and I want to get into the control room. I want to push the buttons. I want to see what I can do and learn and grow. So I kind of wanted to go through those growing pains, um, on another show. And I wanted to write a monologue. Sean already has the best monologue writer in the world. He's not going anywhere, you know?

50:12So I needed to grow somewhere else. So I went over to Newsmax and I wrote for Sean Spicer, which was awesome. He's also incredible. He's a good guy. He's so nice. And I'm going tonight to an event to honor him. He's being promoted to captain in the, in the Navy. I'll see you there. We're going. Yeah, me too. So I'm very excited for that for him. But yeah, so I did that. And I learned very quickly that line producing was not my strong suit. So I'm glad that I didn't make my mistakes on the number one show. Because you have to do a lot of math line producing and doing live television and making sure that all the sound bites fit into 60 minutes.

50:49And with the commercial breaks and hard breaks and all this stuff, it's complicated. I was not built for that. So I figured, okay, well, I'm glad I figured that out now. And it was there when I started kind of blowing up on TikTok. I wasn't really supposed to post my own political content at Fox. There's some rules against that. When I went over to Newsmax, it was, the rules were a little more lax. So I started posting my own political, you know, my opinions and things online started blowing up and I went to them. I actually, when I went, when I was still working at Fox, I told them, we need someone who's younger talking about TikTok and all these things that are blowing up.

51:27And they were a little resistant to it. I pitched a podcast. I pitched shows, segments. I said, you need a younger person to be like a tech analyst. Because eventually your audience is going to die. Right. And it might be good if you build a young one. You need someone, you know, and anyway, I don't want to be disparaging towards anyone, but I figured we need someone who's actually in this movement and on social media to discuss it, not just, you know, anyway. So I mentioned that to them and they kind of pushed me away, not because it wouldn't have been good, but because they're not really ready to take risks like that.

52:02So I went over to Newsmax. I also pitched shows like Nightly Scroll, which I'm doing right now, where I'm scrolling on TikTok. I'm talking about commentary. And again, they were also not really prepared to take on a podcast like that. It was a little more traditional. And I, because I knew Dan Bongino so well, and he was such a great mentor to me, I asked him, I said, if I want to do a show like this, like, how do I break in? How do I move from producer to podcast? And that's when that kind of switched for me where I thought, well, no one's doing this. So I guess I'll do it. And I asked him what I should do.

52:36And he said, don't ask for permission, ask for forgiveness. And I didn't listen to him. And maybe I should have, but he is right in that you kind of just have to do it so that people then take you seriously. You have to have credibility. You can't just say, hey, please give me a chance. They're going to say, okay, well, show me what you can do. And because I was under all these restrictions working at these networks, I couldn't show anyone what to do. It's one of the cruel, but definitely real things about media. I remember like, for instance, at Fox, like you will know this having done booking.

53:06One of the rules in television is you're not allowed to do TV unless you've done television before. Right. So it's very hard to break it. So wait a second. Hold on. This rule doesn't make any sense. How does one do television if they've never done television before? If the requirement is that you have to do TV. The truth is that producers booking producers like yourself need to see that person have done television literally anywhere else so that they don't fall flat on their face when they appear on screen. Right. And so you need proof of concept. The same is true in podcasting. The same is true.

53:37The predicate to me, to Dan asking me to do this was I was first of all, I had a big national big radio show in D.C., but then I would fill in for him on his national show. And he said it was just straight up the marks, man. You came on. You did the show. The audience was totally locked in. They liked what you were producing. So you were obvious. You were the guy I was like, hey, come in and do this. But you need that's that's one of the things it's like. So when you ask that question, how do I start? You start by starting. You just do it. You just do it. You do it. You prove you can. And then more doors open along the way.

54:09So this is what happened. I was living in New York City. All of my friends started getting married and moving out into the suburbs. And I didn't want a random roommate. I was 28 years old. I said, I'm not living with a random person from Craigslist. This is not going to be good. I wanted to move to a red state, first and foremost, but somewhere that I could afford to live by myself. So I looked at jobs in Nashville and I ended up getting a job with Fox News Digital and Outkick, which is a sports podcast network. But it's where sports meets politics meets pop culture. And the politics and pop culture is more my lane.

54:41Yes. But I did start ended up getting more interested in the sports and where all of these intersect. So I was overseeing six podcasts there. Then, to your point about proof of concept, I said, I'm just going to do this damn podcast. Like, I just need to do this. Right. So I told my boss at the time, I'm going to do a YouTube show. They were asking, we need weekend content. I said, I'll do it. I'm going to do a weekend show. It's going to be weekly. It was basically, if you watch my show, Nightly Scroll, here it is. This is my podcast at Outkick. It was called Screen Time. So if you watch Nightly Scroll, you'll know that my - Did you really need those glasses or were those - Those are blue light glasses.

55:18Oh, are they? Yes. They're blue light glasses. Do you believe in that? Does that work? I don't know. It was just kind of like a gimmicky thing. Justin's shaking his head no. Justin's here in studio too. They don't work. People say that red light is very good for you. Yeah. And I know that you do the bond charge and things like that. I, the red light saunas, red light, everything. And this is emitting blue light at your face all day long, which is apparently very bad for you. So I don't know. I don't know if the blue light glasses work, but I did try it for a little bit because my screen time is very high.

55:44But yeah, so I did a segment call or this show called Screen Time. And that's basically what scrolling time is on Nightly Scroll, where the last 15 minutes of my show, I'm scrolling through videos and whatnot. Sure. Dan Bongino saw clips of screen time and he said, if you're not under contract, you're coming with me. So that's how it all happened. That's fantastic. Yeah. So, yeah. Proof of concept. I love it. I love it. And and OK. And then finally, for your in your show. So people understand you can you can get a lot more Haley every day. You can you can sign up for for her great program, The Nightly Scroll.

56:17And you can also actually watch it on Rumble, Rumble dot com slash Haley at 6 p.m. and Eastern time. And here's the question I have for you. When did you make the decision to allow Andy to talk so much on your program? I don't even think it was really a decision. I think a lot of what we do is just roll with the punches and it all happens very naturally. And honestly, I don't want to listen to myself speak for a full hour. And I welcome Andy piping up and tuning in, you know, saying whatever, you know, he has to say because then I get to drink my water. That man. And it gives me a break. That man can talk.

56:57I'll tell you what. We have a lot of fun. I'm not even, he's not, we're not even doing a show and he'll be calling me because Andy books for our program. That's how we ended up with Haley today. Andy booked her. But he'll call me and be like, hey, here's who I'm thinking about booking. And then I really don't get a chance to talk on those calls. It's just Andy, Andy just straight through for 45 minutes. And then I'm like, hey, can I go now? Is that okay? We good? Holds you hostage. No, but it's great. I was joking with Andy yesterday because someone had DMed me saying, you're so mean to Andy on the show.

57:28And I said to Andy, we were joking. I said, am I mean to you? If I'm mean to you, please let me know. I didn't think I was. It's funny how people read into things. No chance. What's that, Justin? Oh, he's a Bud Light drinker. Yeah, he drank Bud Light on the show last night. Like I said on your program, I got in your chat last night and I said, at Silverlock, we accept Andy's lifestyle choices. It is great to see you here. It was so great. Thanks for having me. After being here in D.C., we're going to apparently go party with Sean Spicer. Yes. Sean Spicer, for people who know, he's a Navy reservist.

57:58He's being promoted to Navy captain, which is the equivalent of, like, a colonel in the Marines or the Army. Very cool. Very, very cool. We'll get to do that. So we'll hang out some more. Yes. I'll have more of a conversation with Haley on her great program. And it has been so great to have the best audience anywhere joining us today. We got another big show for you tomorrow. And then, of course, the big national radio show, The Vince Show, coming up 12 to 3 Eastern time today. You can find your local listings at thevincshow.com or join me on Rumble, rumble.com slash Vince. I'll be back tomorrow.