Chris Eubank Jr: I Was Paid $**** For The Fight! The Night Before, My Dad Finally Opened Up!

28:32I've got to show him, I've got to show the world, and I've got to show myself that I'm capable of great things. I'm capable of going through things that 99 .99 % of human beings on the South were not willing to go through and that will live forever. And that's a beautiful feeling. A week after the fight sitting here talking about it, there's no amount of money that can buy the feelings that I have now. And that is the genuine truth. How proud I am of what we achieved in that fight? It's priceless. It's something that you know, on your deathbed in 60 years time, you're thinking about it. Yeah, I did that.

29:26You can't get that from money. You can't get that from fame. You get that from years and years and years or graphed hard work. And just being true, not cutting corners, not cheating, not being a bully. Chris, everybody has a different relationship with their family. You've always been a seemingly quite emotionless individual, very cold exteriors. You've described it yourself. So it's really moving and interesting to hear how much your dad meant to you. And as you were speaking, I was thinking about to all these interviews I've seen of you over the years where you cite him as your biggest role model in life.

30:18I've kind of got two points. The first, I guess, is a point which is just I had no idea he meant that much to you. I had no idea. And secondly, the question is what caused that relationship to strain? My father is an extremely proud and an extremely intense human being. He has his ways of thinking. He has his ways of living, teaching, parenting. And it's his way all the highway. Nothing else works in his opinion. It got to a stage in my life where I decided to walk my own path, separate myself from this massive character in my father. I had grown up with this pressure and this responsibility. And it became too much.

31:27I was known for being the son of for so many years. She makes her. Whenever I would hear that, at least they know who I am. But I got to a stage where I was like, how do I get away from that? How do I become just me? How do I become Chris Ubank, not the son of a legend? And it dawned on me eventually. The only way to do that is to be separate from it. In boxing, I'm not talking about as a father, talking about in terms of my career, in terms of the decision making, in terms of the training, in terms of the fighting, in terms of the media, the press conferences. These were all things that he was right by my side for my entire career.

32:26I knew that to get away from the shadow, I had to start doing it on my own. Did you write him a letter? Yeah. Explaining exactly that. I told him, I'm going to write my own book one day. The book can't be, oh my dad told me to do this so I did it. My dad said, don't take that fight so I didn't take that fight. He told me to train that way and go here and and wear that. It's not a book. It's not a life. I need to be able to write my own story into history. What did that letter say that you wrote to him? And why didn't you tell him to his face? I needed him to understand and read it and reread it and reread it without interruption.

33:24If I'm talking to him, like I'm talking to you, as soon as something is said, that is maybe a little bit, I don't like that or I don't agree with that. He will be ready to jump in and say his point. I had to get the whole thing out. Couldn't be in conversation. I said to him, I am the boss.

33:55And that broke him.

34:00He couldn't handle that. He had been the boss my entire life. He had been in charge of who I fought. He had been charging my financials. He had been in charge of my contracts. He was the boss. So for a boss to hear that he's not the boss anymore, that's strained the relationship. Oh, you don't want me to be a part of your career anymore? All right. Well, then by that was his reaction. It shouldn't have been that way, but that's how he dealt with the disappointment and the frustration of what I was doing, which was going my own way. Then you have the tragedy of my brother, Sebastian passing away.

34:46And this would have happened maybe a year or two after I sent that letter. That affected him deeply. It affected all of us deeply.

35:03Yeah.

35:07It affected him so much that you know, you add those two things together. He's already upset with how I've spoken to him and what I'm doing in my career. My brother passes away and that caused him to do certain things in his life, which you know, I don't like talking about it, but I'm going to talk about it because it was actually documented. If it wasn't documented, I wouldn't speak about this. And I've never spoken about it. He started smoking marijuana. I guess to deal with the hardship of losing a son. Everybody deals with these things in their own ways. I can't fault him for that. But I think that that changed him as a man in terms of his mindset.

36:12And it caused an even bigger gap between us, which we never recovered from up until last weekend. And since that night before the night of the fight, and every day since then, it's been all love between him and me and my man, which is incredible to think. You know, I was in hospital for two days after the fight. He didn't leave the hospital. And when I said he didn't leave the hospital, I mean like he's sleeping on one of these stretches outside my room. Just in the hallway, that means everything to me. Regardless of the differences and the things that have been said and done, a man who's going to stay by his son like that, that's love.

37:22It's been so long since I've had that type of feeling with him. And you only get one fund. So now we are going to build. We're going to build. And I think our relationship is going to get stronger and stronger and stronger. I said it before the fight. This fight is either going to help us build or it's going to break us even more. I don't know. It was up to him really. And he chose for this fight to be the thing that the catalyst for us to be able to build. And I thank God for that. Did his absence and hearing him call you a disgrace and all of the stuff he was doing in the media ahead of the fight, in many respects to stop the fight, it seemed at times.

38:06I actually watched an interview. I think the day before the fight where he was in tears, tattooed saying to a boxing journalist that the fight shouldn't go ahead and expressing his concerns about the fight, etc. Did it impact your mental health? It was upsetting. It was distracting. It was horrible knowing that this deeply personal situation we have is now fully public. It's all over TikTok. It's all over Instagram. The headlines. Chris, you banked senior causes under disgrace. Millions of people are watching these interviews. So for sure, it affects your mental health, your mental wellbeing. It's negative and it's deeply personal and you don't want that in the public.

39:03It's one thing dealing with family issues between your family. But when everyone else knows what's going on, it's tough. And it came out of me in that last press conference. Connor Ben talking about, ah, well, yeah, you just worry about making weight. And at that time, I was making weight and I was in pain. And I said, I'm in pain right now. And I'm going to be even more pain tonight. And I'm going to be even more pain tomorrow morning when I've got to lose those last few pounds. I have the actual quote here. You said, the weight is painful. I'll be an even more pain tonight and tomorrow. The question I ask myself is what is pain?

39:46I have a 31 -year -old brother that is buried in the desert in Dubai. That's pain. I have his son Rahim who is three asking why he can't see his dad. Why doesn't he take me to school? That's pain. My own father, a man I've idolized my entire life. And we haven't spoken fears and he thinks I'm a disgrace. These things are pain to me.

40:09And, you know, I am not an emotional guy, especially not in boxing. But in that moment, that's what I'm thinking. You know, yeah, this weight cart and this rehydration clause, fucking hurts. But guess what? It isn't anything compared to those three things that are listed. And the other things that are going on in my personal life that I'm having to deal with and struggle with all while getting ready for this huge fight. So if I can deal with those things, then what is cutting weight? What is dehydrating and starving myself to make a weight? It's nothing. You know, it's a it's a moment of it's a moment of discomfort.

41:08You know, my brother passing away, Rahim not understanding that his father is not with us. Questioning, why doesn't he take me to school? I see all these other kids that are coming into school with the dads. Why does my dad take me to school? Why can't I see my daddy? You say he's at the office. Where's the office? Let's go to the office and see my daddy, my own father. Yes, he's a disgrace. These are moments, these are not moments of pain. This is pain that lives with you forever. So they're incomparable. You know, so when Conor Ben's talking about you, you know, he's worried about making weight.

41:49I don't worry about the weight, man. The weight's fine. I got a lot worse issues than the weight. The weight's going to come off. I think that was the first time that I kind of got caught up a little bit in what was going on in my life. And the people saw that and they I guess they loved seeing that vulnerable side to me because it's real. And it's what is what millions and billions of people are dealing with in their own lives. So to see somebody who's a fighter who's big and strong and tough, having to go through the same things, it's a humbling thing to see. And it's one of the reasons why when I'm walking to the ring, there are people crying.

42:41I thought that came. If dad was there for him after all that, it's together. You know, I'm going to call my dad after this fight. That's what people tell me. After the fight, I call my dad straight away. I've been spoke to him for months, years, call him. What are you thinking about your younger brother? And they build up to the fight. And as you walked out and during the fight, does that come into your mind? And there is a picture. There was a picture of him on my shorts right on the side. He's screaming. And his name's on the bottom of my shorts, Sebastian.

43:32That fire, you know, I'm looking at that picture before I'm putting the shorts on. Like, yeah, I'm using that energy. This is for you. This is for Rahim. This is for the family. This is for the you banks. I can't look at that picture and lose. It's impossible. It's impossible. Rahim has had a big impact on you. I never thought that I could experience the love and the warmth that I have when I'm around him. I was never the type of guy like, I want a kid. I want kids. I want that. I've never got it. I guess I was just too busy with my own life, my own career, my own issues. Rahim comes into my life.

44:34And it just, the love I have around him, it makes me want to have my own son. And Rahim is my son. But biologically, I want to have my own son now because I love who I am and how I feel when I'm around him, when I'm teaching him things, when I'm taking him to places and watching him grow and watching him learn new words and new expressions. It makes me really happy. And before Rahim, I thought happiness was a big winner at a poker table or winning a fight or going on some amazing trip. And those do make me happy. But it's a whole different level when you're with another human being who you love and you're getting to show him the world and teach him things and watch him grow.

45:24It's incredible. So yeah, I thank God for him every day. Is it out in the public domain, the circumstances around your brother's death? I'm not 100 % sure. But he drowned. He drowned in Dubai.

45:53I don't know if it was a heart attack. It was like something happened with his heart. And of all places, he's swimming in the sea. And it switched him off for a second. And in that second, he's obviously in the water and he went under. And you know, how insane is that? The guy you saw him. Jack, muscles, he makes his own green juices every day. Alkaline. Alkaline. Yeah. That was his nickname for anybody that's true. Alkaline. Yes. You know, health, fanatic. And in a split second, he's gone. It's just, and you know, it just put things into perspective and it just makes you appreciate and respect life so much more.

46:50Because you understand that it can be taken away at any time. You know, and it doesn't have to be some crazy car crash or you know, it can just be your swimming. You know, you're swimming and then you're not there anymore.

47:10And it makes you live your life with so much more respect and responsibility and appreciation. You know, before that, I'd have days or weeks where I would just, you know, I'd fuck around. Waste time, video games, TV, you know, around people I shouldn't be hanging around with. Things that were not productive in any way, shape or form. And yes, you still, you know, you still have to have those moments in your life where you can just kind of do whatever. Nobody's, you know, nobody's going to be righteous every day of their lives. But what it, what, what, what experiencing someone this does is it makes you aware of life and how precious it is.

48:06And it just makes you strive to be a better person. So much more because you know that, you know, we have a finite amount of time on the side, you know, so are you going to make it count? Are you going to make it count? Or are you going to waste it? There are people out there who would kill for the lives that we have. So how can you not be grateful? How can you not be respectful and responsible with your time? You know, we are free. We're free. We did it. We made it. Billions and billions and billions of people in this planet will never know what it is to be free. And by times, in terms of free, I mean, you know, you're not waking up and working, you know, 12 hour shifts just so that you can eat and live.

49:01You know, we have free time. We have leisure. We have, you know, disposable income. People don't have these things. So you've got to be respectful. You've got to be grateful. You've got to be responsible with what you're doing. We're the all of this on your mind heading into that fire. I remember the last, before the last fight was cancelled, you were saying that you'd be at 60 % for the fight and you'd go in there and be him. What percentage were you at? And I'm kind of coming back to this question again. You're really trying to get that out, Mia? It's really, I'm trying to understand if what I saw was true.

49:44Like when I, when I saw you in this first couple of rounds, I'm stood there kind of confused and concerned, a ring side, because I'm like, the same how you used to look, the same what you look like in the other fights in those early rounds. I was like, he doesn't look like he has the same strength and speed. Well, I had a, you know, regardless of what happened outside of my training camp and all the things I was going through, I had a rehydration restriction. Explain this for people who don't know. Explain what weight you're at right now. You were at before the fight. How much weight you cut and then what the restrictions say you have to do.

50:17So, you know, and I'm not saying this for sympathias and excuse. It was my own doing. I take full responsibility. And I say that because they said we want to have a weight or a rehydration restriction on you. So you, you can weigh in at the middle weight limit of 160 pounds. But the next, but you can only put on 10 pounds before the fight. Usually there's no restriction what you eat and drink. You just refuel and replenish your body to as much as you can so that you have full energy for the fight. What weight do you walk around that just on context? So if in context, I usually put on maybe 14 or 15 pounds after, after a weigh in.

51:05So I, you know, I'll, but I could only put on 10 pounds for the fight. If I go over the 10 pounds, I've got to pay a million dollar fine. But if I saw you in the street in like two months time, what weight would you be at? Well, now, if I'm not in a camp and I'm not trading, then I'll probably be I don't know, 180, I want you to make five pounds. Okay, so 180 five pounds. You've got to lose roughly 25 pounds to get in shape for the fight to make way. Which is, you know, it's doable. It gets harder as you get older. That's for sure. Your metabolism slows down. It becomes harder to shed those last few pounds.

51:50And it was hard. I documented my weight cut for this fight. You know, I was, I was in, I was in sweatsuits and I had to be wrapped in a, in these heated sheets. And I lay there for half an hour and I'm just sweating everything out. And then I'm in, you know, I'm doing all these things to just drain my body of all the fluids. And it's, it's torture. You're torturing yourself. You're literally torturing yourself doing this. But you've got to make the weight. If you don't make the weight, they're coming for that cash, baby. You know, and that's what they've done. Unfortunately, they got me on the on the middle weight limit.

52:34I was 0 .05, 0 .05, pounds over the middle weight limit. I didn't mess up on the rehydration course. So the next day, I didn't go over the 10 pounds. But that, the fact that I had to restrict what I was eating, drinking after my weigh -in, that, that takes percentages off of your performance. Naturally. You check in at 160 pounds the day before. And the rehydration says, is it 8am the next day? You have to weigh again. Yes. So I, it was between 1812. Okay. Also, 1812. Yeah. You have to weigh again. So I think in a 12 o 'clock, I weighed in at 169 .4. Yeah. So you can't gain more than 10 pounds overnight, which means you can't be drinking too much or eating too much of what you want to eat.

53:22There should have been no rehydration restriction in the first place. If you'd said no to it, would the fight have still gone ahead? Yes. So why didn't you say no to it? Why do you think they paid you more? Absolutely. Did you, did you get paid an 8th bigger number for this fight? Yes. Okay. I was so confident in my ability to beat Conor Ben that I thought, you know what? If you guys won a rehydration so badly, I'll let you have it. Did you get paid the same? But you got to show me the money. I'm not doing it for free. You named your price, didn't you? I had. Yes. I did. And Cirquey said yes. Yes, he did.

54:09At the first number you named. You fucked up. Oh, man, I could have got cars or you know, you got to double the end and then come down and make them halfway. But that's the thing. You know, when you're negotiating with promoters or broadcasters, you know, you come in high, expecting them to come in low and then you, you know, I know this and then that, that's usually what happens. The Saudis are not, they're not normal people. They don't have normal money. So a number that you think is great to them is I.

54:59But again, I said, I'm not greedy. You know, they paid me, you know, I've changed my amounts of money. That's another reason why I did what I did in that ring. I have a duty. To boxing, to the people, to the fans. We can't be making the types of money we're making and give half -ast performances. That's disrespectful to people, to the sport, to the fans. You know, we are blessed. We are privileged to be in these positions. And, and you're keep. Do you get paid on the performance of the fight as well? Or do you just get paid a lump sum? How does it work? Because you called Turkey, his excellency, you said a big number, he says yes.

55:52Do you get incentivized on how the fight does in terms of pay -per -view? That is, well, that's all, that all comes in the contract. So, you know, you have your purse. Yep. And then you will agree on, if we get to 500 ,000 buys, then I get a percentage. And then if it hits 600, I get a percentage. So, you work it, you work it like that. Or just say, all right, well, we'll just pay you this lump sum and then we get all of the pay -per -view. Yeah. You know, it just depends on how you negotiate. And so, you got part of the performance element as well. I'm not going to go into details on that specific part of the contract.

56:31In my head, I'm trying to figure out how much that one fight made you because... Can you tell me how many multiples it was more than your previous fights? I'm just trying to give me sort of an idea of the scale of this in terms of a financial point of view. I mean, it's eight, you said eight figures, right? Yeah. So, how much more of a scale do you need? No, but I mean, I mean, what do you normally get paid? These normally get paid seven figures. A couple, a couple million. Okay, fine. So, this is like five times more potentially. It was a bit of a... I don't have to box again. Right. Let's put it that way.

57:11But the beautiful thing is, at 35 years old, I'm still hungry. I'm still hungry for success in the sport. I'm still hungry for accolades. I'm still hungry to please the fans. You know, a lot of times, this happened throughout history. Files will get paid big for a fight, and then they lose that hunger. They lose that dedication, that respect for the industry. Oh, well, I've done it now. Now I'm going to... Let's go to the club. Pop the bottles and celebrate. Let's travel. Let's buy this car and this watch. This house. Oh, it's Jim today. I was tomorrow, tomorrow. Tomorrow, just... Just okay, it's okay.

58:00That's the trap that so many fires fall into. And that's why I've so much respect for Floyd Mayweather. He has made a disgusting amount of money, and his performances and his dedication never, ever, ever changed. That is, you know, it's incredible, because guys, they make their first million, and their heads gone. Oh, I made it. All right. Cool. No, it's not cool, you know. Boxing is a lifestyle. It isn't a one -training camp. It isn't one fight. It is a lifetime of dedication and sacrifice, which is why I never gave up going through all the things I was going through, leading up to this fight, because I know I've put the work in since I was 14 years old.

58:58So it doesn't matter what's going on in these two months, I've served my time. I've been through the trenches time and time and time and time again, and I've always found a way to survive. So I'm going to do it now.

59:17Not... Oh, there's weight clauses, and my dad is giving me issues, and this and that and that. So, you know, this is going to be tough. Maybe I shouldn't do this. No. You're going to get through it, just like you got through that treadmill run, just like you got through that cut and that fight, just like you got through and that cramp in your leg, in that fight, you build up a tolerance for pain and suffering. You did look like a man possessed. At moments in the fight to me, you looked like a man that had nothing left in the tank, but what that was still possessed, as you've kind of said, by something else.

59:52Because even when it looked to me like there was no energy left, your arms were still swinging and you were still marching forward. So it was confusing. It was always confusing to me because I like when I feel like that, like I don't have that reserve tank, which was something else. Like I actually can't swing my arms. There was no reserve tank. There was nothing left. What's going through your head in those moments when you've got no energy, but Connor Benniss in front of you and there's still minutes left in the round? Are you thinking? Is it... Is it like all conscious? Yeah. What are you thinking?

1:00:29You know, I remember going back to the corner in the, maybe the eighth round, something right round. And I can hear my trainer and my corner man. I've got to use the jab, Chris. Just use just staying your jab. You're good. Control the jab. Use your feet. I looked at my scent. It was too late. It's too late. I'm sorry. What's going to happen is going to happen. You'll see there was a look at confusion on their faces. You know, when you have an instruction from a trainer and a team, you're supposed to abide by it. So when I'm telling them it's too late, when you get it too late. I had already gone into war mode.

1:01:25Once you commit, as a fighter, once you commit to a certain path you're going to walk now, it's pretty much impossible to then switch back. I had a cut from a headbutt. You know, the blood was going down into my eye. I couldn't see.

1:01:51The fights can get stopped from cuts.

1:01:58As soon as that cut happened, I knew that there was no more boxing. There was no more jabbing. There was no more technicality. There was no more being pretty with it. Defense. Nope. Let's go time now, baby. We're going to see how much this kid really wants it. Because I want it. I don't know how much he wants it. We're going to find out. Let's find out.

1:02:26Come forward, you attack. You walk through the punches. It doesn't look good. It doesn't look pretty. It's not boxing. It is trench warfare. You know, when you're dehydrated as well, after the fight, my face is swollen up. And that's not from the punches. That's from severe dehydration. It's a weird thing where like when your body doesn't have any moisture in it, and you dehydrated, your face puffs up. I think it's just the skin is weak and it just puffs up. And that's what I was suffering with most in hospital was just complete dehydration. It got to a point where I was in hospital and I was lying in the bed.

1:03:16And they had drips, IV drips, to get all the liquid into your system. And my bladder was full. Like I really need to pee. For about two hours, I get up, go to the toilet, I stand over the toilet.

1:03:38Would not go. And I'm dying to go. That's how dehydrated it was that my body would not let any liquids, any moisture go. It was holding onto everything. There were moments in that hospital where I'm feeling, you know, I saw myself, I caught myself in the emergency, my face was all puffed up. This massive car across my eye, got my headache as crazy. You know, and I'm feeling sorry for myself. You know, I got my family around me. There, you know, some of them are crying, and I'm like, this is really, this is so bad. I'm lying there, I got my mask on, oxygen mask. I can hear everything that's going on.

1:04:26Somebody, run a ward. Somebody gets wheeled into the room next to me. And it's only, you know, it's, there's no walls. It's like sheets just separating. I'm looking up. This is so bad. Get me the morphine, get me the morphine. They can't get them, they can't get you the morphine until they sign off on some stuff. So I'm waiting there. It's just so bad. And then I hear the doctor say, we have to operate on him now. Otherwise, he's going to die.

1:04:58I heard that from the other room. And I thought, oh my god. I'm, I'm great. I'm blessed. I should not be feeling sorry for myself at all. Because I, you know, I knew I was in pain, but there's a guy next to me. He's about to die. What am I doing feeling bad for myself and complaining about a headache and a cut eye? He's about to die. And I don't know, you know, they, they wheeled him off. And I don't know what happened to him. I, you know, I pray that he's okay. But that put everything into perspective for me. You know, I'm okay. I'm blessed. I'm going to be okay. Quick one. I want to talk about something we all need to take seriously, which is cybersecurity.

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1:07:10He never gave up. I didn't know he had that in him. I hadn't prepared for a 12 round fight like that. I thought that I would get to five or six rounds. He'd start feeling the pace and he'd look for a way out. He did not do that. So in that respect, I have respect for him.

1:07:39The fight finished.

1:07:44I did not shake his hand. I didn't congratulate him. I didn't speak to him. I didn't hug him. Which is what most fighters, pretty much all fighters do after they fight. And then especially a fight like that, you would expect that. I couldn't do it. I didn't have it in me. Because in my mind, you know, this kid is still a drugs cheat. He still tried to cheat in our first fight. He failed two drugs tests. Never owned up to it. Denied it denied it denied it. No apologies. No admittance. No madding up. I can't forgive that. I can't respect that. I can't shake that hand. Until there is some accountability.

1:08:41He's not going to give it. You know, I have to set an example to the kids that are watching this fight. They're watching these scenes. You know, if you cheat, if you take performance in dancing drugs, you don't get respect from me. I can't give you that respect because there are kids who are saying, oh, well, oh, and he was doing drugs a couple of years ago. He got caught. But now it's okay. So this really did bother you. I wasn't sure if that was just part of an act to sort of promote the fight. You know, the egg slap, the constantly braiding him about this, the voluntary anti -doping button that he had.

1:09:22So July, I think it was July 2022, September 2020, so you kind of fell to voluntary anti -doping tests for clomaphine, testosterone boosting substance. Therefore, the original fight was cancelled. The UK Anti -Doping Association formally suspended connoffed a doping violation. They reinstated Conner citing egg contamination and then reinstated Conner's suspension following an appeal. Ultimately, in November 2020, Conner was cleared to fight after the panel rolled that they had failed to prove intentional use. I wasn't sure if you were actually really bothered by this, or whether it was part of the promotion of the fight.

1:10:06Bothered is an understatement. Really? Yeah. I don't hold grudges.

1:10:14I am a man that can forgive. Never forget, but I can forgive. But when it comes to something as serious as drug cheating in this sport, you saw what we had to go through. So if somebody's got something in their system, which is going to make them fight harder, take more punishment, react quicker, you know, that is a form of attempted murder, in my opinion. You're going into a fight with extra weaponry. Is it possible that he didn't intentionally take something in your view? Have you considered that? Do you know, for me as just an onlooker, I saw him, the emotional impact it had on him. I saw him in tears.

1:11:05I saw him talking about suicide radiation after that came out. And there was part of me that did wander for a second. Maybe something did happen, because that's the reaction of someone who is truly deeply devastated in a way that an innocent person would be. And imagine if he is innocent. Imagine if he didn't intentionally take something. You can be suicidal and devastated after getting caught doing something you shouldn't have done. You can still have that reaction. Let's say that he did unintentionally take these drugs. Somebody slipped something into his drink. Somebody contaminated his eggs.

1:11:59Somebody injected something into him when he was at a doctor's appointment. I don't know however you want to. However you want to fantasize this beautiful story. Let's say that this impossible thing has happened. As a fighter, as an athlete, you only have a few jobs that you have to do. You have to train hard, you have to go to sleep on time. You have to prepare, you have to make sure that your diet, your fluid intake is on point. So that you have the energy to go into these fights, into these sporting events and be able to compete at the highest abilities you can. Aside from that, there's not much else we have to do as an athlete.

1:12:58It's your job to know exactly what you are putting into your body, whether it's food, whether it's fluid, whether it's drugs. You have to know that's your job. So if you're irresponsible enough to let somebody slip something by to where you fail, not one, but two drugs tests. If you're irresponsible enough for you, that to happen. Then you're still a cheat. Could you shake his hand now? I told you, I didn't shake his hand after the fight. One, because he's never owned up to it. And two, you know, it's very likely that we are going to be fighting again. You slapped him with an egg in the press conference beforehand and you were finding 100 ,000 pounds for that slap with the egg.

1:13:49Do you regret the egg slap? Worth every penny, my friend. Really? Yeah. It was a symbol. It was, it wasn't an act of violence. It was an act of justice. It was an act to make sure that for the rest of his life, he will never be able to forget what he did. People will always know. I don't know if any of them have that type of a human kit with an egg. That will go, that will be with him for the rest of his life. And that's what he deserves for failing those drug tests. So many times, fight as they fail drug tests. They serve a little band they pay a fine. They're back in the ring and people kind of just forget.

1:14:36Kind of just get swept under. I don't talk about that. Come on, you know, he's doing so well now. He saved his time. This kid is not, he's not getting that. I'm going to put this egg across his chin. There's going to be pictures that are going to circulate around the world. That memory will stay with him for the rest of his life. He will, he will always be known for that. Why was it an egg? Why do you hit him with an egg? Oh, because he was cheating with drugs and it was, it was a contaminated egg, something like that. I want that story to live with him. There's a rematch clause. I'm assuming the rematch clause, I don't know how these things work, but I'm assuming you get paid the same.

1:15:17Again, you get paid more. You get paid more to do the rematch. Really? You know, this, that's this is business. You, you know, the fight will be bigger. Okay. The fight will sell more pay per views. It will sell more tickets. It will, there will be a, you can't, you know, you can't get paid the same. If you lose, you get paid less. That's how boxing works. So if you'd lost this flock fight, you would have got paid less. Absolutely. Significantly less. I mean, it would still be incredible numbers, but yes. You'd lose millions. Millions. If you lose the fight. For sure. Interesting. But that's, you know, that's not just because we're working with the Saudis.

1:15:58That's boxing in general. Yeah. You're, they say in boxing, you're only as good as your last fight. If you win, you can demand more. The next time, if you lose, well, you lost. So we're going to give you this. So this rematch clause, if you decided to walk away now or Connid decided to walk away now, is there any penalty? It's a good question. I don't know if there's a penalty. Mate, well, yeah. I'm maybe I could be sued. Okay. Yeah. There's there's probably, you know, all that stuff I have, you know, lawyers that that deal out all the all small print, but, you know, in all honesty, you know, I was like, you guys want, you guys want to sign a rematch clause for this?

1:16:44No one's going to want to see a rematch after I do this. What I'm going to do to you. That's what was in my head. I was like, they're contracting me. They have to deliver a rematch. They have to pay me this, this amount of money minimum. This is amazing because I'm going to go out there. I'm going to blast this guy out and then, you know, and people, I probably aren't going to want to see a rematch. So this is amazing that I'm going to actually get it contracted in now. Did you even think that in the day before the fight when you were struggling? Did you even think you were going to blow him out?

1:17:18Even when you were struggling? That's how much I didn't respect the, not even the ability because I knew he had ability, but the mindset. Were there people around you encouraging you or floating the idea of you pulling out of the fight? Because of your health condition? I never said I had an health condition. You are, you know, kind of listening to what I've said and that's what you've taken away from it. I'm not confirming or denying that just to make that clear.

1:17:56I'm not going to answer that question either. Okay. So does that mean that there is going to be the rematch this year? I mean, contractually, that is what is on paper. Taki is already booked the arena. I hear he's already booked it in September. I doubt that it's already been booked, but you know, they have their plans, they have their direction and you know, with the Saudis when they want something, they get it, you know? Nobody stops them from doing what they want to do. So it's very likely that that fight will happen again at some point this year. And do you want that fight next? I want what the fans want.

1:18:45You know, if the fans want to see it next, who am I to say no? You know, it's, um, it's a fight that's inspired people. I got friends calling me up messaging me, my son, I took my son down to the box in the gym for the first time today. Like it's getting kids into gyms. You know, I never wanted to box for a place football every day. Now he's in the boxing gym, the suddenly pictures of him hitting the bags and stuff. It's amazing. Crazy. How much better do you think you could be as a percentage?

1:19:24If ever, you know, you're dad's back in your corner now. You're going to be a bit more versed in, I guess, preparation and with the weight cut, whatever. You said there's pointed out a few things you said you would have done differently. Well, I fought him. I've lived with him for 12 rounds. I know what he is, what he's capable of. So in that aspect, the next fight for me should be a hell of a lot easier. Because, you know, I'm one of them fighters, you know, all I need is, all I need is to experience it one time. And then I know what to do with you. That's how I've always been, especially in like sparring.

1:20:09I remember the first time, the first time I ever went into a gym, I don't remember if I told you the story, but I got my arms battered for three rounds. The first time I ever went to a boxing gym. But I knew what he was. I knew how strong he was, I knew how fast he was. I knew the type of punches he threw. So after two months of training and preparation, I got back into the ring with that same guy. And I battered him. That's all I thought about, you know. So I believe the same thing will happen with the corner. I won the first fight. And I got to experience what he is. There's so many things I know now about him that I can practice, perfect, tweak, tailor my performance to take advantage of his weaknesses.

1:20:59And he will probably do the same with me. But my experience is so more superior to what he is in terms of what I've done and what I've the guys I've faced. I know how to capitalize on being in a ring with somebody before that he doesn't. I've been in rematches before. I've rematch Liam Smith, who beat me in the first fight. And the second fight, blew him out of the war. So I know what it is to do that. He doesn't. Was Connor faster than you were expecting? Yep. Was he stronger than you were expecting? Yep. Stronger, faster, tougher. And more, most importantly is more mentally prepared. And more mentally willing to put it all in the line.

1:21:56That was the most shocking thing to me. I didn't think he had that in him to stay in there and show that dog. We both had to be dogs at the end of that fight. And throughout the entire fight, I didn't know he had any dog in him. I thought he was a type of guy. If it's not going my way, I'm going to look for a way out. He's not that guy. So how does that feel knowing now that you're getting into the ring again potentially in September this year with someone who is absolutely unwilling to quit? That is an absolute dog. That is also learned from you. Is there not an element of you that goes fucking out loud?

1:22:39I'd rather avoid that. I've got eight figures in the bank and I could buy a boat, I could chill, or I could go back in that ring with that dog and went bust my eye and be back in hospital. I'm going to have to go through the cut -weight cut again and dehydration again. And it's exciting. I'm sick in that way. I love being in these positions where what's going to happen? Am I going to be able to do it? I live for that. I live for those moments. These are the moments that when I'm sixty, seventy -eight years old, I'm going to look over and be like, what? Did that? You're sick in the head. Well, you have to be sick to be in a fight like that.

1:23:28Come out of the ring a week later and think, you know what? I can't wait to do that again. That is kind of sick. You know, I'm dehydrated, I'm cut, I'm tired, I'm in pain. There's something sick about it. But you have to be, you have to be wired and differently. To be a fighter of any type of grade. You can't be a normal human being. Most human beings, when they're in painful situations, what can I do to avoid that? I want to get into it more. See how far I can go. Can he break me? No, but let's find out if he can. So talk to me about the walk out. The fight was legendary, the build up was legendary, but the walk out was also legendary.

1:24:15I've seen most of it. I watched the walk out 50 times. Yeah, I watched it like 15 times. It was like on it. It made me fall in love with the Dreson again. Yeah, that's my end. The massive song I've been walking out to for my entire career. It's said to have an orchestra playing that behind me was special. You had simply the best as well. Yeah, simply the best. Which I'm guessing was a last minute edition. Absolutely. We were supposed to have an artist. We were in talks with Central C. He was going to bring me out. And then the last minute, my old man came into the picture and we had to cut out all these other things we were going to do.

1:25:02You had that requested a song, didn't you? So he said, what do you want from me? Well, what do you think I want? He said, I said, I don't know. He said, I don't want anything. And then later when he said, you know what, there's one thing. There's a song that I want you to play at some point in the walk out. And I'm like, here we go. We've already got simply the best. We've got a whole orchestra for my song, Dr. Dre. How are we going to squeeze in some random song I've never heard of? But my old man's, my old man. And I was actually kind of annoyed because I'm like, you know, the truth is you haven't been around.

1:25:52You haven't been a part of the fight. You haven't been a part of the whole set up. We've had all these, you know, all these things, you know, preparing for the show. And now all of a sudden, you know, you're coming in and you're saying you want this song. I'm like, you know what? You being there is what's important. And if you're saying that's what you want, we will find a way to put it in. And I listened to the song and I was like, I didn't get it. I thought, it's just one of my old man's kooky requests that, you know, even on the night, I'm up on the stage, we walk up onto the stage and look at and to the crowd.

1:26:34There's simply the best song stops. And at my head I'm thinking, oh, I'm going to be so much better to just keep that going, you know. And then this kind of ethereal tune pops out over the stadium.

1:26:56And I'm looking out into the crowd and I'm starting to see people well up. This guy, this guy, he always, he always, you know, even when you think he's crazy or wrong, he's right. And this song was like, it just, it worked perfectly with the whole scene. Me and my old man finally standing together and there's this like peaceful song that comes in and we're together and it's like a beautiful moment. I never thought what would happen. That wouldn't have happened if it was just simply the best because it's a different, it's a different vibe, you know. It took the energy. It took it down. And then for everyone to just focus on what was actually happening.

1:27:42So we're there and we're listening to this song and it's like it's an amazing, it's an amazing moment. And then it dropped into the orchestra. Yeah. And it was just perfect. I was like, well, it dropped into the beat as you started walking. Yeah. It was like, on it, you know, it's like, you can't script this type of stuff. You know, it's like, people say, I keep hearing people say, I was like, W -E, like, you know, but in real life. And I've never watched WW. So I don't really know what that means. But someone was telling me, you know, I will, you know, obviously everything is scripted, but they act like it isn't.

1:28:18Yeah. So like the commentators and, you know, and it's, but it's all, so it was like that, but it was real and it was happening in front of everyone for the first time. Everyone's like, and these were real reactions. It wasn't, it wasn't fake. Yeah, that's great. The way your dad stepped out the car and put one leg out. And then you hear the commentators like scream. It was, yeah, it was. Even that moment. So it's like, you know, if I was on that side of the car, because we're in the Rolls Royce, but what if I was on that side, so then we park up and then it's me that gets out. Obviously it's still a very cool moment, but it's different when it's, that was a good moment for him to be shown, you know.

1:28:59And then I come in from the side and we hug and we walk in. And you couldn't hear that the arena had erupted? No, I didn't know. I didn't know until, uh, until people were talking about it. Billy Joe, he tried to get into your dressing room to do your hand wraps, caused to see an outside with our friend Napa, who I've known a long, long time. Billy Joe, you had a fight with him in the past. Contentious fight. He got the decision in that fight, but it was a contentious fight. How do you feel about Billy Joe?

1:29:36There's very few people in the sport, in the planet, barely that high, genuinely dislike. He is one of those people. Who'd you dislike more, Connor Ben or Billy Joe? Well, Billy Joe is a drug cheat, too.

1:29:56So, Billy Joe, yeah, because he's not only is he a drug cheat, but he is actually a real scummy human being, you know. And I don't talk about anybody like this. So, if I'm saying it about him, there's a reason. He is a bad, bad person, a terrible advocate for the sport, just a real low life human being. And I don't say that about any of the guys I've fought. I'm not even saying that about Connor, even though he cheated, he's still somebody that, you know, I can see some of the things he does, and I can see why people will like him. There's nothing to like about Billy Joe's songs. And for that reason, I would love to get my hands on him, because he does have a win over me.

1:30:55Then I don't believe he deserves that many people say that he doesn't deserve. A lot of people say I won the fight, and it's kind of, so something has been hanging over me for so long, and I just know that I can be him, and I just know how much of an enjoyment it will be for me to set that record straight. So, that's another fight that's a possibility in the future. So, if you could draw your future, if you could plot your next three fights, and you had to decide right now, what would those next three fights be? In a perfect world. I feel like the demand for this kind of been fight is at an all -time high right now.

1:31:46So, I feel like that would be the fight to make next. Then you have Canelo. That is a fight that I've been wanting for years, and I would love to share the ring with that man.

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1:34:39If you can, if my work, no, why can't I do it? That's the argument. I have so many people come to understand you take a beating, if that's what it's about, nothing like. And I hope you're not stubborn and kind of, that's why you're stubborn and bullheaded. That's why you made it. Yeah, but I don't want to say you're saying you don't want to be stubborn and bullheaded. You know, for the guys you don't make, for the guys you don't make it in boxing, you know, it's tragic. It's a tragic mess, Mr. Ben. You convinced he's not going to make it, just let him go until he wears some stuff out of it and he's not bothered anymore.

1:35:19Yeah, and by then, all those good -looking features would have gone. You know what they say? Let me tell you what, trust me. Don't you trust them, I just leave it alone. And as you know, don't forget. Remember what they said, right? Okay, am I, am I bad looking? Okay. Why are you putting that into the kit head? I'm going to fight. I don't want to fight. Everyone gets hurt. Everyone gets to fligging. Everybody gets you. What are your scenes irrelevant at this time? The relevant? Yeah. What? Because in May the afternoon, it's like, why ain't it about what might not happen? You, let me just, let me bring this point to you.

1:35:52I would never want when I have kids from my style of daughter to being a carcass. So, what do I do? I say, I'm not buying your car and you can't drive. Is that the right thing to do? I try to try it.

1:36:12If you read it, okay, okay. I will, I will, I'll let you try. Will you put your desk to me as a word? If you tell me, I'll help you. Okay? Darah, who said, yes, I'm saying using Sonar, I want to do it. You want to do it? Yeah. Okay. Okay. I have there's a one to watch. I don't have anyone to watch. Am I so hopeless, but in moccale? What's going on there in that video that I just played? Yeah. That's a father who is, is thinking about all the things he's gone through and fearing that his son will walk into that, you know, into that industry, walk down that path and have to go through all those things that he went through, that he worked so hard to kind of keep his family away from.

1:37:07So you've got Lennox Lewis, siding with you and that's your mother. Yeah. And she's also trying to persuade him to let you have a shot at boxing. When you watch that video now after everything that happened with the fight we just all watched, where there was almost sort of 70 ,000 people in a arena, people watching all over the world. It's been its global phenomenon, not just in the UK, but I was in America in New York this weekend and it's the people are talking about it there. How does it feel to look back at that video? I scare you, man. It's scary. I mean, everything he's saying is right. He's completely right, you know.

1:37:46Boxing is a tragic sport for the people that are making you get disfigured and used. You know, disfigured. I've been used plenty of times. It's scary to think about how far we've come from that moment in time. All the things I've gone through, the things I've done. And, you know, he had every right to feel the way he did. Because champions, hard men don't come from those backgrounds that you saw. That was filmed in a multi -million pound house. You know, I went to private school the next day after that interview. Kids that live that life don't accomplish anything in such a barbaric sport. Because there's just too much pain and suffering you have to go through.

1:38:51And there's too many times where naturally you'll look for ways out. Now, the kids that come from broken homes, poverty, and, you know, nothing. They don't have any other doors to open and walk through. So when they go to the gym and when they go into these fights, if I don't get through this door, I don't eat. I can't pay the rent. I can't feed my family. For me, when I'm looking at that door that I have to go through, whether it's in a gym or in a fight, I know that if I don't make it through that door, there's a door there and a door there and a door there and a door there. And if I'm experiencing too much pain to get to that door and opt to open it, I can just step back, you know what?

1:39:55All right, let's go over here. Football, business, acting, I could do whatever I wanted with the position I was in as a kid. I still wanted to walk through that horrible painful, nasty boxing door and open that door and you walk through the door and you get punched in the stomach and you go through that and then you go walk through the other door and you get cut above your eye and just keep walking, keep walking, keep walking, keep walking and there's all these other doors. Hey, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, we just just take the easy route, take the easy route. No, I'm staying here.

1:40:38So it was so much harder for me to do what I was doing because there was so many other choices and my father thought that as soon as I reached that first door, I'd be like, you know what, no, you said it, I'm not going to be hard enough. And nine times out of ten, it's not hard enough in that position. But I was hell bent on proving him wrong and proving myself right. I knew I had in me. I felt what it had in me anyway. I didn't know, you never know until you're in those positions, but I just the strength and the, you know, that feeling inside of me was so, it was so visceral. I was like, there's no way I can't do this.

1:41:26Like if I just, if I put everything into this, how can I fail? Maybe he was calling you a bluff. That's another crazy thing that I use to think about. Did he, was he saying this to make me, to make me push harder because he's thinking, all right, well, if I say, oh, he'll be great, when he gets to those painful positions, he's already kind of got my, well, I've already got his, his, his blessing. So it's like, oh, well, you know, he's behind me anyway regardless. So, you know, I try my best. Or does he want me to be at that front door thinking, my old man, he's, he said, I couldn't do it. Am I going to let him be right?

1:42:12Well, he did put a chip on your shoulder and that regard. For sure. Massive. Massive. I saw the press conference with you and Eddie Han, and I also saw the one with where Eddie Han walks off and then Frank Smith comes in. Frank Smith is like your brother -in -law. Unfortunately, yes. He is. He and my sister have been together for a long, long time, which is an extremely wild thing to think that the CEO of MapTroom Boxing is, basically your brother -in -law. Yeah. You know, do you get alone? No, absolutely not. You don't get alone? No. We were okay. We were fine for a couple of years. For a number of years, you know, I even spent Christmas with him.

1:42:59But it got to a stage where I started to see Mattroom, Eddie Han and himself trying to block me in terms of the business side of the sport. You know, I am with a promotional company called Boxer. Boxer and Mattroom, which is Eddie Han and Frank Smith are you know, deathly enemies. They are arch rivals. So they do anything they can to screw over Boxer. I'm with Boxer. So Frank Smith is trying to sabotage, or was trying to sabotage certain things going on in my career being a part of MapTroom. As soon as I learned that, it doesn't matter that you're in relationship with my sister. We are not, you know, we are never going to talk again.

1:44:04We are never going to be cordial again. You are working against me. He was sitting in that arena on Saturday night praying that I lose. Why didn't you sign to MapTroom? Did you try? They offered. Why did you say no? I don't trust Eddie Han. I don't trust Frank Smith. I don't trust Mattroom. These people are they're dangerous.

1:44:40And it's crazy to think that, yeah, he is with my sister. I don't know how that relationship came about, but love is a peculiar thing. And you're good with your sister, obviously. Of course. Of course. She was the new corner for the fight. Yeah, and I was actually thinking, I'm going to ask her, you know, how does it go? Like, you know, you guys go back home together. You guys are lying in bed. I've just won. Connor Benz is lost. What do you guys like say to each other? You know, like, because Frank is distraught that Connor Ben lost. You know, that's their golden boy. That's their ticket. You know, I'm my sister's brother.

1:45:27So it's like, you've got two completely opposite sides in the same bed. What do you guys say to each other? You know, this is just, I want to ask you that question. We have a closing tradition on this podcast, where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest. Not knowing who they're leaving it for and the question left for you. Is if you could listen to one album for the rest of your life, what would it be and why? One album for the rest of my life, it would have to be something timeless, something that can be something that lasts, you know, so it would have to be something like Michael Jackson, Therilla, you know, a classic, something that in 200 years time, you're going to still have kids listening to it.

1:46:07Yeah, this is my jam right here. Yeah, I guess that will be the album. Chris, thank you so much for giving all of us as Boxing fans a moment that we will never forget. I do have to say I've been to a lot of Boxing fights all over the world, and one of my favorite fights with this Lermachenka fight that I saw in New York. But without a shadow of a doubt, that is the best Boxing fight I've ever seen in person, and not just because of the fight itself, but because of all of the subplots and all of the inspiration it gives everybody. Watching you go into that 12th round with Connor, and give everything, when it was so abundantly clear that you had nothing in the tank, sends a message to all of us that there's so much more within us that we probably don't always realize.

1:46:50And sometimes it takes, you know, the family legacy or something deep and profound and meaningful for us to find that in ourselves. But even as you talked about the, you know, I've had certain challenges with my family's family of the years and with my parents, with my mother and these kinds of things, and there's been fractures and years where I was disowned, one of these kinds of things. And I saw myself in all of that. You know, my mother had some struggles that she went through, which was somewhat similar in elements to the struggles that your father went through. And I know what it feels like.

1:47:20I know what it feels like. So it just gave everybody so much. And I'm so glad you've been able to go into the streets for the first time since the fight and feel that because you brought so much joy. Both of you, both you and Connor, both so much joy, so much inspiration and memories that I will tell my kids about. And I'll say I was there for that fight. And I'm so happy for you as well, because I know the career journey you've been on in the twists and turns and everything. So I'm so glad that the public got to know all of you, not just the cold faced guy that, you know, throws a good uppercut, but the human as well.

1:47:55And it's in part, I think, because of some of the difficult moments you've been through, that you've stepped out a little bit more and become more comfortable with showing the world all that you are. And that's the most valuable Chris that I think the world can see. So thank you, really, really appreciative. And I can't wait to see these next couple of fights you have, as you close out, what has been a remarkable career. Thank you.

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