Doctor Joe Dispenza: Your Thoughts Are Making You Sick! You MUST Do This Before 10am To Fix It!

28:34A belief is a thought you keep thinking over and over again until it's hardwired in your brain. And most beliefs are based on past experiences. And so many people have a belief about something that has to change in order for them to arrive at a new place in their life. And what we discovered a lot of times with people in this work is that they, when they say for example they were healing themselves of a health condition. Sometimes they would do their meditations three times in one day and I asked them why three times and they said because I stop believing. And when I caught myself no longer believing in it, I had to sit down and change my belief again.

29:22In other words, they had to get up believing more in their future instead of believing less in it. And they have to change their state of being to do that. So I think that that's a limitation. I also think that unconsciously we're always waiting for something out there in our life to change so that we can change or feel the relief of the lack of what we don't have. And I do think that's kind of a limited model of reality. I think when you start changing inside of you and you start seeing the changes happening outside of you, you go from being a victim in your life to being a creator of your life.

29:56And I think that when that occurs, then all of a sudden it's no longer a have to. It's something that you want to do. You don't, you actually don't want the magic to end in your life. So now you become a work in progress by investing in yourself. And when you invest in yourself, you invest in your future. So there is probably a chronic disbelief that many of us have that we're not creators of our life. And the only one we get the parking space or something good happens to us, do we believe that we're the creator of our life? But imagine a world where everybody actually took responsibility in being the creator of their life and no longer the victim of their life.

30:38I think we would see a dramatic shift in consciousness. That makes people feel uncomfortable. This idea of personal responsibility. It's quite a, it's almost become quite a controversial controversial idea. The idea that we are the creator of our lives because then I have to accept responsibility for all the bad things that happen. Dave dumped me. I got fired from work. Someone bumped into my car and I hurt my neck. Well, maybe, maybe that happened by default. Maybe that happened by not creating. Maybe you were just left to the randomness of reality that, that maybe you're not creating. And the fact that you're not creating your, your left to the effects of your environment actually controlling you, controlling your feelings and thoughts and creating.

31:27What do you mean the creating isn't well, well, if you, if you woke up every morning and you truly made time to think like this, okay. If my personality creates my personal reality and my personality is made of how I think, how I act and how I feel. If I want to create a new personality, a new life, I'm going to have to change my personality. And most people try to create a new reality, a new personality as the same personality that doesn't work. We literally have to become someone else. So if you said, okay. Let me not default and go unconscious to that 95 % of who I am that's programmed. Let me become so conscious of the way I think.

32:12Let me become so aware of how I'm going to act today. Let me decide what emotions keep me connected to my past and bring me to a lower level, a lower level of energy. Let me not go unconscious. And then if you said, okay. The belief is just the thought I keep thinking over and over again. What thoughts do I want to fire and wire in my brain and with attention and with intention to begin to familiarize yourself with the new way of thinking. Meditation means to become familiar with. If you keep firing and wiring those circuits, you're going to begin to install the hardware. It's repeated enough times and it becomes a software program.

32:51That could be the new voice in your head that says I can. It is possible. If you said, okay. When did I fall from grace yesterday? When did I when did I lose it? Oh my gosh, it was with at work with my co -workers, with my ex, with my enemy, with the news, with traffic. Acting this way is not going to make me happy. If I had another opportunity, another opportunity, how would I do it? If you could close your eyes and rehearse in your mind mentally, how you're going to behave in certain situations. I'll give you a specific one. Anyone. So I'll give you the specific one where late at night, on occasion, I've eaten things that I really regret eating.

33:35Also, another one that I'm trying to work hard on, is I can be very messy with when I travel. So my hotel room can look like a mess. And I don't like that about myself. And I don't know why I do it. But it's almost like you talk about being unconscious. I'm clearly not thinking about it, but that's part of the problem. And it's the same with the bloody sugar at midnight, eating ordering things that are... And then feeling instant guilt, 10 seconds after I've put it in my mouth. Well, it may be that on some level, well, you could actually be addicted to the guilt, not to the sugar. And so you return to the same emotional state that allows that action to re -occur.

34:22So if you said, let me decide how I am going to act, what I'm not going to do. And you rehearsed it, the research on mental rehearsal says, your brain will look like you already did it. That you'll be so present, the brain won't know the difference between what you're imagining and what is real. The brain will begin to change to look like the experiences already happen now. You're priming your brain for that behavior. Keep rehearsing it. Rousing out. Well, mentally rehearsing... Mental rehearsal is one of these great ideas in neuroscience where you can actually install circuits in your brain, right?

34:58So everybody has done this. Musicians do it. They're playing a song in their mind all the time. Athletes do it. They're always going over their moves. Dancers do it. Actors do it. Not so many people rehearse mentally what they're about to do. And when they do that, they actually prime their brain. They actually can change their brain and change their body just by thought alone. Physiology can change it. Physiologically change. You can take a group of people that never played the piano before. And divide them into two different groups and do functional brain scans on both groups. One group will come for two hours a day for five days and they'll practice these one -handed scales and chords.

35:40Now, you learn something new. You make new connections in your brain. You get some instruction. You get your body involved. When you get your body involved, you're going to have an experience. You pay attention to what you're doing and you repeat it over and over again. Nerve cells that fire together, wire together. You're going to begin to install new circuits in the opposite side of your brain. That's common. You do the scan at the end. You see those actual physical changes. You take those people, the other group, and you ask them to close their eyes without lifting a finger. Have the mentally rehearsed those scales and chords.

36:11And at the end of five days, they grow the same amount of circuits in their brain as the people who actually physically demonstrated the act. In other words, they were so present with what they were doing. The brain did not know the difference between the real life experience and what they were imagining. The brain was physically changing to look like they already experienced it. They already did it. So now, you take those people and they've played the piano before. They've just been mentally rehearsing for two hours a day for five days. You set them in front of a piano and they could actually play those scales and chords.

36:42Why? Because they primed their brain for that behavior. So then if you're going to prime your brain for a new behavior, whether you're the CEO of a company, whether you're a parent, whether you're learning something, the more you rehearse it mentally, the more you prime your brain body for the act. So you could actually practice rehearsing how you're going to change in your life. And if you keep doing it enough times, your behaviors will match your intentions automatically because you have the mind installed to do it. If you don't have the mind installed to do it, you'll go back to the same past behavior.

37:16So I play through that scenario of making the decision differently. Exactly. And rehearse it in your mind until it feels right. So you feel like I could actually do that and go from start to finish without losing your attention. And so that it gets easier each time you do it, it makes sense. Then you'll actually do it. And then if you said, OK, enough of this guilt. I felt enough of it. I don't like feeling that way. I could actually break the conditioning of that emotion in my body. Can I condition my body? Can I teach my body to feel something differently? What would be the feeling that I want to feel if I was able to do it?

37:56Would it be worth? Would it be self love? Would it be freedom? Would it be joy? Let me teach my body emotionally. What a future could actually feel like before it happens. If you keep doing it over and over again, you're going to start making more of those chemicals. And this will become easier for you to do it. It's going to become familiar to you. And that's exactly what meditation is to become familiar with an old self, to know myself, become so conscious of that unconscious self that you don't go unconscious to that self. And how many times do we have to forget until we stop forgetting and start remembering that's the moment of change.

38:32What thoughts do I want to fire and wire in my brain? Let me become familiar with those. What behaviors do I want to demonstrate? What would greatness do? What would love do? And actually rehearse a greater way. Rehearse it enough times so that you could actually step into that footprint. Teach your body emotionally that there's another way to feel and do it over and over again, it'll become familiar to you. And so the model of change is unlearning and relearning. It's breaking the habit of the old self and reinventing a new self. It's pruning synaptic connections and sprouting new connections.

39:03It's unfiring and unwiring, refiring and rewiring, deprogramming and reprogramming, losing your mind and creating a new one, unmemorizing emotions that have been stored in the body and then reconditioning the body to a new mind to a new emotion. It turns out if you teach people how to do that. In seven days you can see very profound biological changes if they immerse themselves into the experience. And what do these biological changes look like? Well, so we run week -long events around the world. And I think it's so important to do events in person with community because it's a flock, it's a herd, it's a school, it's a collective.

39:46And so that exact process in seven days, we take people through a very immersive experience. And we do functional brain scans or FMRIs or quantitative EEGs before they start the event. And then we, at the end of seven days, we look at their brains at the end of seven days. And there are dramatic changes in the way their brain works, very significant changes. Some of them are really outstanding changes. We put, teach people how to create more heart coherence when you feel anger, when you feel frustration, when you feel impatience, when you feel resentment, your heart beats out of order, when you feel gratitude, when you have kindness and care, when you feel love for life, your heart beats in a more orderly fashion.

40:31And you can actually train somebody to get good at feeling that way. And we use that. And we see people at the end of seven days be able to regulate their heart much better. And it's a function of really how soon or how slow we age. We take a blood and we measure 2 ,882 different metabolites in a person's blood. And at the end of seven days, we measure again. And I can tell you that if you're a novice meditator, really never meditated before, kind of your first event. And you go through that seven day process at the end of seven days, there are so many biological changes that are taking place in the collective in the community, not just one, not just to the majority of people.

41:17And I mean the significant majority of people suggesting that their body literally is living in a new environment in a new life. And there are chemicals in their bloodstream in terms of information that wasn't there prior to the event. In other words, some way without taking any drug, without taking any exogenous substance, without changing their diet, without changing their lifestyle in any other way, going through this process, eating the same foods that they typically eat. That at the end of seven days, there's chemistry, there's biology that suggests that somehow their biology is changing significantly.

41:58We measure gene expression. I can tell you that you can change your gene expression in seven days. We measure the microbiome. And once again, seven days, there are dramatic changes in the microbiome. And the mind somehow is making significant and effective changes in our body. So our research is pretty outstanding because in seven day intervention, that's producing these effects, there's not a whole lot of drugs that are as effective. And we've discovered that the nervous system makes a pharmacy of chemicals right now that works better than any drug. That's what we've discovered. And it's all within you.

42:46I am a fixer in my friendship groups. And what I mean by that is I'm someone who probably over -involves themselves in trying to help friends change stuff, which gift in a curse, often times a curse. But I often get, because I love someone and they're close to me and I want the best for them, when I see that they are experiencing a recurring pattern of behavior or habit that is causing them unhappiness, loneliness, to miss the goals they have in their life of becoming a husband or a wife or a partner or whatever it might be. I have a growing sense of frustration because sometimes that sometimes manifests itself as trying to fix and help and give advice and change them.

43:33You must experience that in a different way. You're much smarter than me. You must experience that in a different way when you meet people that you can see having these recurring patterns of behavior. And when you see that in them, has there any ever been frustration on your part? Have you ever been frustrated that change hasn't happened in someone that you loved? God, I think it's such a noble act to change. And I understand how hard it is to change. I understand that process. So I think the greatest thing that I could ever do for someone is to show what change looks like. It's so much more profound than anything that I could ever say.

44:14And I would never offer my opinion to them. I would love them unconditionally because I maybe see a part of myself that I've changed and I understand how hard it is to change. Or I understand that they're going to have their moment when they're ready to change. And so I think it's really interesting because what I've learned over the years is that no new information can enter the nervous system that's not equal to the person's emotional state. You can give them the answer, the right answer to the problem and they won't hear it because it's not relevant equal to the emotion that they're experiencing.

44:56But what we've learned is that you take people and just say seven days just cross the river of change. Go from the old self to the new self, immerse yourself fully into it. Break free from the chains of those emotions that keep you wanker to the past, overcome those habits and behaviors that keep you programmed into a predictable future, overcome all those aspects of your beliefs that keep you stuck in a certain state in terms of how you're thinking in those hardwired perceptions. Seven days break free and normally the person has the answer to their own question. I think that's when it becomes really relevant when you have your own insight, your own epiphany, when it's your own truth because you've worked to get beyond it.

45:42People, when they analyze themselves or analyze their life within some disturbing emotion, when we looked at the real -time brain scans, we saw that they were actually making the brain worse. They were driving their brain further out of balance, overthinking, overanalyzing. And so when you analyze something within an emotion, an emotion is a record of the past. So you're thinking in the past the solution could never be there. Free the person from that emotion and of course they see it from a greater level of consciousness. For all those people listening right now that are like me that try and fix, because through what they think of as love, maybe I'm doing it for other reasons, but what could they do to be a better ally or friend or partner to that individual?

46:34Based on everything you've said that maybe they need their own moment or their emotional system isn't in regulation with their information. God, anytime we want to do anybody a great service is to help them out of their emotional state. I mean, it's not a lecture that's going to help them. Come on, let's go do something, come on, let's go. Just get them doing something, just breaking themselves out of that state. It's not like the answer, they have to change their state to get the answer. So if I were to do anything, I would want to help them shorten their emotional reaction to get beyond the emotion.

47:07Whatever that is and I wouldn't be a lecture would be something fun that we did or something unusual that we did or just trying something. Let's just do something. And I think showing people what love looks like, show them what joy looks like, show them what happiness looks like. I think people notice that. I think they pay attention to that. It gives them permission to do the same. So maybe just show up as the person you would want to be around if you were feeling that way. When you look at the state of the world at the moment and the direction of travel, the trajectory of technology and the way we're living our lives and the decisions we're making at a collective level, what are the things that most concern you?

47:56Well, I always ask myself, is it getting better or is it getting worse? And I think in my lifetime, I don't think I've ever experienced the world as it is today, just with so many variations of so many things. And I question the information that I'm receiving. And I think that we need some type of intervention as a species. We need a change. We need an intervention in some way. You question the information you're receiving from where and what kind of intervention are you suggesting? I just don't know that the information that I am exposed to or information that people are exposed to is the truth.

48:41I just question that these days. And because you can get so many degrees of it and so many, and I don't know if it's based on altruism for the goodness of human beings or for self -interest. And I think people are waking up more to the understanding that something has to change for us to really survive as a species. And what are the symptoms of the cultural disease that you're talking about? What are they? A lack of connection. We're in 3D reality, connecting, communing, cooperating, creating. I think those are things that I think if you keep people in survival and you keep them in fear and you keep them at war and you keep them angry and you keep them in pain.

49:37And you keep them confused and you can control their attention by controlling their emotions. I think we're going to, you know, we may not make it, you know, as a species. But I think that when people truly come together in an elevated state, I think it's collective networks of observers that determine reality. And I don't think it's the number of people. I think it's the most coherent in heart and brain that begin to produce effects. So the coming of a new consciousness has to be a collective. It's not one person. It's a collective group of people. And I believe that you get enough people collectively coming together that we can hopefully steer it in a different direction.

50:31Hopefully. Yeah. How about you? Are you optimistic? I am. I'm optimistic because I think people by nature are good. I think there's goodness in human beings. And I have the privilege of traveling around the world and I see that in the transcends countries and cultures and races and gender, transcends diet, transcends all that stuff. It's just when people are happy with themselves and in love with life. I think I think their natural tendency is to give and I think we're wired to do that when we're not in survival. When we're not in survival, when you use this word survival, are you talking about the fight or flight state that we many of us live in?

51:17Yeah. I would say I would say that living in stress is living in survival and stress is when your brain body or not that of homeostasis. Stress is when your brain body or not that of balance. The stress response is what the body innately does to return itself back to balance. The problem is that if you keep turning on that fight or flight system, you keep turning on that emergency system. You'll actually cause people to stay out of balance and that imbalance becomes the new balance and they're headed for some type of disease, some type of breakdown. No organism can tolerate emergency mode for an extended period of time and when you're in survival and that primitive system is switched on, it's really about the self.

51:58When you're in survival, you have to take care of yourself. The emotions of anger, hostility, aggression and competition and frustration and resentment, and envy and jealousy and insecurity and fear and anxiety and hopelessness and powerlessness and depression and pain and suffering, guilt and shame are all derived. From the hormones of stress and psychology calls them normal human states of consciousness. Those are altered states of consciousness. And when we're in that state, when we're living in survival, we experience separation. We divide in a lot of ways. And so there's biology that goes along with that and the hormones of stress heightened the senses and caused us to become materialists.

52:43And now when we're in lack of separation, we force outcomes, we control outcomes, we fight for outcomes, we compete for outcomes, we manipulate outcomes. In a lot of ways, we turn into a more of a primitive self. So hard to change that, especially when you don't have enough money or you just lost your job or you just ended a relationship or your best friend passed, it's really hard to move beyond those emotional states. And so I think that teaching people how to change those emotional states and move out of those are really important. And 75 to 90 % of very person that goes to a healthcare facility in the western world goes in because of psychological or emotional stress.

53:35That's 8 or 9 out of 10. And emotional stress and psychological stress are the ones that tend to be the most harmful. Because if it's not T -Rex that's chasing you, but it's your coworker and the next cubicle, what was once very adaptive becomes very maladaptive. And the rush of those adrenal hormones become kind of addictive to people. And they use the problems, they use the conditions in their life to reaffirm their addiction to that emotion. They need their enemy to feel hatred. And if the enemy died, they'd still feel hatred or they'd find another one. They need the bad relationship, they need a bad job in order to feel.

54:16And that's why it's hard to change. And people become addicted to the life they don't even like. And so if you can turn on the stress response just by thought alone by thinking about your problems and that's the truth, you can become addicted to your own thoughts. And if the long term effects of the hormones of stress push the genetic buttons that create disease, your thoughts could make you sick. Then the question is if your thoughts could make you sick, can your thoughts make you well? And we're actually discovering that that's absolutely possible. So then teaching people then a little bit about how to manage their emotional state and to self -regulate, I think is a great gift for people.

54:54Because when they begin to break an addiction to any emotion or the conditioning of any emotion, there's going to be cravings that go on just like any addict there. And you've many people overdose and many people have bad trips. And so when they start changing and the body's craving those familiar emotions, the body starts signaling the brain of memories or the things certain ways. And they make certain choices, do certain things, crave certain experiences, just to feel that same emotion. And people say, well, this feels right. Who that feels familiar? That really feels familiar. And many people will tell the story of why they feel that way based on some past experience.

55:41And it's usually not in the recent past. It's usually many years ago. Like it talks like a relationship or whatever that is. And so they're basically saying, I had an event in my life. And since that event, I'm still living by the same emotion and I haven't been able to change. And they'll tell the story of that past. And in psychology, the latest research on memory shows that 50 % of that story isn't even the truth. They're making it up because they don't have the same brain as they had then. And so then people are reliving a miserable life they never even had just to excuse themselves from changing.

56:20And they embellish the stories so that it sounds really hard to change. So what is it? What is that point then for a person when they say, the only person that this emotion of hatred or anger, frustration, or resentment, the only person that this is hurting is me. Because those those chemicals are down regulating genes and creating disease. And a person finally really realizes that. And they really decide to change. When they overcome the emotion, the memory without the emotion is called wisdom. And that's the name of the game and three dimensional reality. Now they're ready for a new experience.

57:00It's not it's not reliving the past. You don't need to. You don't need to talk about all you need to do is overcome the emotion. When you overcome the emotion, you're free from the past. You can see it from a greater level of consciousness. And that's when a person so many times when they truly change, they'll say this. We've seen it over and over again. They reach that point where they finally break through and they and some of them have had some really difficult past. They'll say, I would not want to change one thing in my past because it brought me to this moment. That's the moment the past no longer exists.

57:31And they can look at their betrayers and see it with all had to happen for that moment. And now they're they're free. They no longer belong to the past. They belong to the future. I've never heard the concept or idea of being addicted to a negative emotion. People talk to me about being addicted to dopamine and pleasure and you know and all those things and you know like masturbation and sugar and but the thought of being addicted to a negative emotion. It's what you said to me earlier about the guilt. Well, well think about this. What do people do when they when they feel an emotion? What do they do?

58:08They rely on something outside of them to make that emotion go away. So whether it's the masturbation or the pornography or the gambling or the shopping or the sugar or whatever. It's all because they're trying to make that feeling go away. And they're using something outside of them. So then there is some emotion that the person is regulating. That's why they're doing that. They're doing that right. So so change the emotional state and it makes sense then the need to do it diminishes. Which is not doesn't seem to be very easy to do change my emotional state. Well, again, I think if you if you understood what you were doing and why you're doing it just like learning anything if you if you understood a formula, I think it wouldn't be as hard as you think it is.

59:01I mean, because there is a way to change. And step one in that process of change is new information. Always. It's the forerunner to any experience. Without the information we doubt that it's possible. And again, the information in the science removes the doubt.

59:26I was doing some research recently about why people change their beliefs and why they don't change their beliefs and some beliefs they're more susceptible to take on some information. They're more susceptible to take on one of the things I read about was when they believe the source. Another thing I read about was when they when it's good news. So in studies where they say to someone you're more attractive according to the public than you believed they're likely to shift rather than finding out they're less attractive and also things like health. You're more healthy than you thought you were genetically.

59:54They're more likely to shift to believe the nature of our beliefs and the nature of belief change. I was writing in in my book about how looking in the mirror and telling yourself something like some of this sort of modern day manifestation community believe doesn't seem to work. Just looking in the mirror and telling myself that I'm beautiful and rich and successful and powerful doesn't seem to be an effective way to cause actual belief change. Do you agree or disagree with this idea that you can look in the mirror and say something to yourself? When we study belief and the change in belief. I'll answer it on two levels.

1:00:35Stephen, the first level is that in order for a person to change a belief or perception about themselves in their life. The majority of those people made a decision with such firm intention that the amplitude of that decision carried a level of energy that was greater than the hardwired programs in their brain and the emotional conditioning their body. As I said earlier, their body literally responded to their mind. The choice that they were making became a moment in time they would never forget. They'll tell you where they were what time of day it was, who they were with when they made up their mind to change.

1:01:09It became a long term memory and the stronger the emotion we feel, the more altered we are inside of us, the more we remember that choice. That's where we need pain sometimes. That's when you said, when you painted yourself into a corner and you said, this is it. I don't care how I feel, body. I don't care how long it takes, time. I don't care what people think. I don't care what's going on in my life, environment. I'm going to do this. You made up your mind, the moment you felt that emotion, you were aligning to a new future and to change, is to be greater than your body, to be greater than your environment, and to be greater than time.

1:01:46When a person comes out of the resting state, because your body is trillions of cells, 70 trillions of cells, and they're all spying on your brain. If you were sitting there and you said, nine out of ten times, I'm going to fake standing up one time, I'm actually going to stand up. Before you ever made that conscious decision, your body is so pre -cognitive, it already knows when you're going to stand up, because it's got to release a certain amount of adrenaline, so the same volume of your blood goes to your brain. If you're sitting on the couch with a remote control, and you got your cell phone here and your iPad here, and your computer here, and your dog here, and your beer here, and the big TV there, and you're eating your popcorn, and you say, I think I'm going to change tomorrow.

1:02:35What do you think your pre -cognitive body is going to say? Relax, he's lying again. He's not willing to signal the body, it's time to ride. There's no signal to the body. Making that choice to change your state of being with a clear intention and elevated emotion actually changes your state to believe in that future more than you believe in your past. Keep it up, keep doing it, that's a big explosion in the field, that's important, that's a change in energy, and nobody changes until they change their energy, and when they change their energy, they change their life. So then you make up your mind to do that, and all of a sudden you have that synchronicity, that serendipity, you have that coincidence, and all of a sudden you're saying, hey, that worked, something I did inside of me produced and effected outside of me, I'm going to pay attention to what I did, I'm going to do it again.

1:03:25I'll try it again, let's the experiment continue. You do it again, and then you say, well, one that I stopped disbelieving, oh my God, I will stop disbelieving when I ran into that person, we have that conversation, and oh my God, I'll return back to my old belief again. Okay, next time that happens, this is what I'll do, you rehearse it in, so your evolution in your belief in self changes as well. So then so many people, second point, will actually say this, you know, I read the philosophy, I understand the knowledge, I understand what it means to change, I understand the power of meditation, I saw the testimonials, I saw people heal, I believe it's the truth, I just didn't believe it could work for me.

1:04:06This is a big moment, this is a moment where you step out of the bleachers and you got to get on the playing field. That's the person who says, if this works, and I believe it works, I got to prove it to myself, I got to actually prove it to myself that I believe that it could work for me. And some of them show up every day for a year and never miss their work, never miss their meditation, whole year, and changing from the old self to the new self, they were doing their meditations to change, not to heal. They were doing their meditations to change when they changed, they healed, they did their meditation sometimes three times a day because they stopped believing, they stopped disbelieving and they were like, I defaulted, why?

1:04:47Because I'm feeling the emotion of my past, some stray thought, some response to someone or something, cause me to feel it and I forgot, I'm back to the emotion that's familiar and I can't believe in that future, I'm believing in my past. Let me sit down and change my state of being again and get up believing in my future again and sometimes they had to do it three times in one day and one day understood. That's the environment that signals the gene, that's epigenetics, and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion and it is, you could actually signal genes ahead of the environment by changing your emotional state, they were doing it with that intention.

1:05:26And when you assign meaning to the act, you get a greater outcome and you turn on the prefrontal cortex and now your biology literally begins to change and we have data that suggests by just having the intention to make certain genes, to make certain proteins or as signal certain genes and make certain proteins, just having the intention literally begins to cause the body to make those chemicals. Q1 is often when businesses start implementing new systems and processes in hopes of creating efficiencies for the year ahead and over the course of my career, I've learnt just how crucial having the right systems in places, one which has helped me across many of my investments is net suite, they're also a sponsor of this podcast net suite is the number one cloud financial system through their streamlined platform, you'll find all of your accounting financial management inventory and HR in one place.

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1:07:06Seemlessly seamlessly and I'm back yeah 12th the old secondary you want unconscious you want unconscious and normally it's unconscious to some thought or some response in your environment, you see someone or you do something or you have some interaction in your outer world. And the moment you have that interaction, you caught it causes you to feel a certain way and you return back to us to the past basically the emotion is the past and that the body is actually living in the past. It's so objective. It doesn't know the difference. It doesn't know the difference within the real life experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that person's living by every day.

1:07:48It's believing it's in the same past experience again and it will behave in the past and it will think in the past. So consciously sub -consciously seamlessly so I could for example if going to I don't know let's say France, I had a traumatic experience in France when I was 10 years old let's just say. And then I go to France when I'm 30 years old and I get back I just start eating junk food for example and I don't know why I've like fallen out of my gym habit and a meeting junk food that theoretically that could be my subconscious that. Falling back into a is experiencing that survival without me knowing it.

1:08:25Yes. So if to change is to be greater than your environment to be greater than your body and to be greater than time. Then your neocortex your thinking brain is a reflection of everything you know in your life. It's an artifact of the past. It's a record repository of everything you've learned and experienced to this date. And you have a neurological network for everything known in your environment. Your parents, your friends, your car, your computer, every object, the reperson everything you have a neurological network for your identity as your body, from your past, your ambitions in your future, your brain is a reflection of everything that's known.

1:09:02And because you've experienced all these elements in your environment there's an emotion associated with it. There are objects and things and other places in time. So then there's so much research to show that when you put a person in the same environment and they see the same people and they go to the same places and they do the same things at their exact same time. It's no longer their personalities creating their personal reality. Their personal reality is creating their personality. Their environment is controlling unconsciously or subconsciously the way they're thinking and the way they're feeling.

1:09:42So when they see their coworker, when they see their friend, when they see their parents, they're seeing their parents, their friends, their coworkers, and the neurological network as a memory of the past. And because every one of those people has an emotion associated with it, they start feeling the emotion that's connected to them and now they're state of being then as returning back to the past. So then to change then is to be greater than your environment to think, act and feel differently in the same conditions in your life. That's called change. And how does, how would I do that? Wake from, you know, I walk in, I see my parents, mom, dad, dog, house, where grew up in.

1:10:25Is there something that I do in that moment before that moment when I woke up that morning to make sure that I didn't slip off into the unconscious memory and then for, therefore, get this sort of unconscious feelings about that experience? Well, whatever it is that you want, if it's, if it's overeating, I don't know, I'm making stuff up. If it's some emotional button that you have with your family and you don't want to feel that way, yeah, I would rehearse that. If I didn't want to have that, if you have a great, if you're, I mean, I go to, when I go to my parents' home when I, when I got older, it was all, most of the associations were so fond for me, just being at home and being with my parents and remembering where I grew up, it was always fun for me.

1:11:06And coming back and see how much I changed in coming back and seeing the life that I lived at one point, you know, one point in my timeline. So if it's something that you truly want to change, you're going to remind yourself how you're not going to think. You're going, you're going to remind yourself how you're not going to act. You're going to remind yourself how you're not going to feel when you gotta. Remind yourself enough time so you don't forget because the moment you forget you are unconscious. Then you're going to remind yourself how you are going to think. You're going to remind yourself what you're going to do and rehearse it in your mind.

1:11:38And you're going to remind yourself what feeling you want to stay in the entire time so you don't default back to the old self. If you practice that, I guarantee you'll make some progress. If you lose it, nothing wrong. Tomorrow's another day. You've got another chance and we just get really good at whatever we practice. So then when you return back into your life and you say, okay, no person, no place, no thing, no object, no circumstance, no pain, no craving, is going to cause me to move from this state today. I guarantee you, if you're able to maintain that modified state of mind and body your entire day, something unusual will happen and will come in a way that you least expect.

1:12:24That surprises you and leaves no doubt that what you're doing inside of you is producing some effect outside of you. And the moment you see the feedback in your environment as a result of your internal change, you're going to pay attention and do it again and you're going to start believing God it. Did I really create that? Did that really happen because of how I changed? That's when the game really begins to become exciting. Practice. Practice. I've been at it a long time. I can tell. Practice. People here that they go, Joe, how long? How much practice? You know, you're talking about, I've got to do this for three, four, five years or, you know, and that practice.

1:13:06What does that look like practically? For someone like me, who hears everything you've just said and wants to make changes and cares of my life. Okay. So there's two times when the door to the subconscious mind opens up. When you wake up in the morning, because your brain waves are going from delta to the theta to alpha to beta, and when you go to bed at night, you go from beta to alpha to theta to delta, and you slip through that scale pretty quickly in the morning and the evening. But your brain waves start to change during those times, and one of the features, one of the important elements of meditation is to get beyond the analytical mind.

1:13:41And when it separates the conscious mind from the subconscious mind, is the analytical mind. So five percent, as we said, is our conscious mind 95 percent is programmed subconsciously. And if you're going to try to change yourself with your conscious mind, you're outside the operating system. So then you got to learn how to change your brain waves, slow them down, get beyond the analytical mind, and enter the operating system where you can rewrite a program, where you can make this changes. And so learn how to do that, practice, learn how to do that. And again, it's not a big deal. It's easy to learn.

1:14:16And then once you can slow your brain waves down and you're more suggestible to what you're thinking. Now you can reprogram. You can't do it with your conscious mind. You can say I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, I'm unlimited, I'm unlimited, I'm happy, I'm happy, I'm whole, I'm holding your body, saying no, you're not dude, you're miserable, you're unhappy. That thought never makes it past the brain stem to reach the body, right? So it's important for us to, in the morning or the evening, instead of reaching for our cell phone as the first thing, as a habit that we do, and checking our texts and our WhatsApp and our telegram and our social media and our Instagram and our Twitter and Facebook and everyone else, people do their emails, they get connected, everything known in their life.

1:15:00Before you start that, try this out as an experiment, before you start your day. Instead of falling into that redundant habit, you know, go on autopilot, just say okay. If the change is to be greater than my body, to be greater than my environment, be greater than time. And, and the environment's so seductive, and my body's craving certain emotions and it's programmed to get up and do things, I'm going to sit my body down, I'm going to tame the animal here, and when I'm ready to get up, we're going to get up, not when it's tired or when it wants to go. You could literally go inward and forget about your outer world, no longer think about anything out there.

1:15:39If you could lose track of the familiar past or the predictable future and fall into the present moment, and if you were sitting there in silence, aware of nothing but you, and you said okay, what is the greatest expression of myself I can be today? And do that exact process, let me write down two thoughts that are not going to slip by my awareness, a notice by me today, two memories, whatever it is. What are two behaviors I want to change today? Let me say conscious of them and not go unconscious to them today. Even if it means how I speak, what are two emotions that I live by every day that I can literally change?

1:16:20I want to become conscious of what they feel like in my body, I want to catch them, the moment I start feeling, let me review them over and over again, enough times so I don't go unconscious. Okay, now I'm conscious of my unconscious, that 95%. How do I want to think? How would greatness think today? Let me review it, let me repeat it. Let me remember how I am going to think. Let me remember how I am going to think. Let me remember how I'm going to behave here, how am I going to act here? Let me rehearse a change I want to make in a certain circumstance. Let me think about how I do want to feel today.

1:16:53Let me open my heart to life again. Let me feel kindness and care and love and gratitude and appreciation. Let me just bring up that feeling. Let me feel it with my heart. Let me keep bringing it up so I can bring it up enough times. I want to get so good at bringing up this feeling with my eyes closed. I can do it with my eyes open. You practice that and you not make a decision to not get up until you feel that emotion. And then ask yourself, can I stay in the state my entire day? And if you can't and you go unconscious, ask yourself at the end of the day, how do I do? Where I go unconscious?

1:17:27Okay, tomorrow morning, new day, new lifetime. Let me go again. Let me try again. And it's the practice. It's the repetition that causes the change. Now here's the beauty behind this because all of a sudden, when those synchronicities start to happen, when the coincidence is start to happen, it's no longer a half to. It's no longer, oh, cheese, I got to go create my life. It's not like that. It's like the magic is happening. You don't want it to end. You realize that you are actually creating outcomes in your life. And now you're not, you're wanting to do the work because you want the magic to continue in your life.

1:18:01And that's kind of what I'm super proud of with our community, where doers, you know, they do the work, not because they have to, because they love all the changes that happen in their life as a result of it, whether it's a mystical experience, a transcendental moment, you know, a great opportunity in their life. They're like, wow, I somehow had a hand in creating this. So the excitement of life, the adventure of life, the unknown becomes the quest. I'm so, so I've got to admit, I'm one of those people that wakes up in the morning and then just gets dragged, dragged off out of the bed by my phone and notifications and often to my day totally unconscious.

1:18:44And there's been so many things that I reflect on in my life and go, man, I just really want to, I'll get home at the end of the day and I'll look at certain instances where I responded in certain ways and come and I hate that about myself. And I really want to change that. And it happens again the next day and I come home, I think, man, I hate that about myself and I really want to change that happens the next day. And it's been happening for two years.

1:19:11When do you want to change that? When you're ready to change that you will. When you're, when it becomes boring and it becomes predictable, I don't want to have to wait for a crisis or, you know, because now that you know, you can't not know. Now that you know, you can't not know. And on some level, you may have a belief that you think this is hard. You know, I do. Yeah, yeah. Because I've struggled with it. Yeah, yeah. And it's just like, what? You going learning snowboarding and never taking a lesson, right? It's going to be like, it's going to be tenuous. It's going to be challenging. It's going to be difficult.

1:19:49Put your time and learn how to do it and it gets easier as you do it. It's just like, you just have to learn the formula. There's a formula that we've discovered that it's actually enjoyable when you do it right. And you actually like it. People want to do more of it because it feels so good. And I mean, we see you look at the EHRV measurements, our community, look at our brain scans. These are people that they're not faking ecstasy. They're not faking it. Their brain is at such a level of a rousal. And the rousal is not pain. The rousal is not fear. The rousal is not aggression or anger. The rousal is ecstasy.

1:20:27The brain is going into this heightened state. They're making a connection to something really big. And that feels really good. And when they realize that they've hit something really big and it's not coming from anyone or anything outside of them, they stop looking for it out there. And they realize it's been within them the whole time. I think so many people want so many things in their life, but what we really want is wholeness. Because when you have wholeness, you can't want. How could you want when you're whole? You only want when you're in lack. When there's brain and heart coherence, there's a level of wholeness that takes place where a person is no longer interested in separation or lack.

1:21:04They feel like they have everything they want. That's a great place to be in. We've discovered that the more relaxed you are in your heart, the more awake you are in your brain. It's relaxed in the heart and awake in the brain. And we teach that. People actually can get good at doing that. I really want to talk to you about this brain coherence and this heart coherence. I have to close off on that morning routine thing by asking you exactly what did you do this morning? Ooh, this morning. I was up probably around 4 .30. Yeah. Why? Because there's nobody that can bother me at that time. There's no emails, there's no text, there's no, it's my time.

1:21:50What time are you in bed? Probably between 10 and 11. Okay. Is that enough sleep for you, huh? Well, no, that is. I think I actually measure my sleep. So I look at it every day. That's part of the reason I'm dragging out of bed. Yeah, for me, 4 in the morning, 5 in the morning is a really great time. I've just conditioned my body that way. That's the time. And I spend a little time remembering what I'm doing. What am I doing? What are you doing in this meditation? Why are you doing this meditation? What are you about to do? I like to just get myself in my think box, organizing, what am I not going to think about?

1:22:31What am I going to stay away from? What am I not going to do in my meditation? Let me review that. What am I going to do? I'm going to get that all worked out, then I get in my play box. In my play box, there's no thinking. I've got all the thinking done in my think box. In my play box, it's really about me changing my state. And so I allow for 2 hours every morning. It doesn't mean I always take it. I will need it. Let me say that. But I allow for 2 hours. Sometimes I like to just get my mind straight and then I do the work. I do the work and I like to get to that point where when I'm done, I feel like something changed.

1:23:07Do the work. Yeah. What does the work look like? It's meditation. Yeah. It's finding the present moment, getting into the unknown. It's getting beyond myself, disconnecting from my body, getting beyond any thought of anyone or anything, getting beyond time, moving beyond space and time. Turns out when you focus on nothing, there are so many amazing things that happen to your brain. I've seen the scans over and over again. What have you seen in the scans? Well, there's this thing in the brain called modularity. And when we're living by the hormones of stress, and stress is when you can't predict something, when you can't control something or you have the perception that something's going to get worse, you switch on that fight or flight nervous system and the rush of those chemicals causes us to become alert, to become aroused.

1:24:01We narrow our focus on the material world. And so when you're not able to control everything in your life and you can't predict everything in your life, you start shifting your attention to everyone and everything, every person, every object, every place. We've all had that experience when we're under stress. And every one of those people, those objects, those things, those places, has a neurological network in the brain. So like a lightning storm in the clouds, the brain begins to fire out of order very incoherently. It becomes modulated or compartmentalized. It's a house divided against itself and those individual compartments don't talk to the rest of the brain.

1:24:36And we tend to get over -focused. You never notice when you're under stress you're obsessing about something, you're over -focused and you're over -thinking, you're over -analysing, you're driving your brain higher and higher into higher states of arousal high beta brainwave patterns. We discovered that if you teach a person to go from a narrow focus on something physical, something material, and broaden their focus, open their awareness and put their attention on space, on nothing, and create what's called a divergent focus. The act of sensing and no longer analyzing thinking begins to slow the brain waves down from that beta brainwave state to a low level beta and then all of a sudden to alpha.

1:25:18If they keep doing it, sensing space tends to cause those different compartments that were modulated or divided to begin to synchronize. And what sinks in the brain actually links in the brain. So the brain starts firing in a more holistic state. In other words, every single area of the brain is resonating at the same frequency. And now the brain is functioning as one neural hospital network instead of individuals. That kind of wholism, that kind of order feels really good. It feels really good. And so people practice slowing their brain waves down not only to get beyond the analytical mind, but to cause the brain to fire in a more coherent way.

1:25:58And if we're going to have a clear intention about what we want, the more coherent the brain, the clearer the intention. So we've seen in seven days, even in four days, these dramatic changes in the levels of coherence and order that take place in the brain, the brain's firing in a more holistic state. That's when the person notices the change in their anxiety and the depression and their PTSD, whatever it is, there's more order in the brain. And the act of focusing on nothing and opening your awareness to space creates that kind of amazing change. Did you say that intention this morning? I did.

1:26:36Can you tell me what it is? Ooh. I want to be relaxed and awake. I want to be present with everything that I do. I want to stay in my heart the entire day. And I want to be inspired by the idea of helping people change. Do you struggle? I do. Yeah. Would you struggle with? Wow. I run a lot of different aspects of my company. I have events side. We have a product side. We have corporate consulting. We have 250 corporate trainers. We have a vitamin company called biosentropy. We work with remote coherence healers that actually are, we do research and they're remotely changing people's health. We have a huge research team with University of California San Diego.

1:27:28We have a lot of players on the team. We have nonprofits. What else we have? We have an inner health coalition for physicians and doctors and healthcare practitioners around the world that want to teach a different model. So I have a lot of different things that I have my hand in. And I think, you know, I'm creative by nature. And I like to be creative. And sometimes I have a lot of obligations in terms of making decisions for 2026 decisions about things that I need to do, documentaries, whatever it is. And I think I struggle with not having a wanting more time for being creative. And that's kind of the fun part of my job, whether I look at the data, I see the research.

1:28:16And then I go, oh my god, I want to do a meditation. Now I understand how to do this meditation or teach this better. All the information that we're gathering in our research is to teach transformation better. That's why I want to close the gap between knowledge and experience. So we have billions of data points and it's a lot of time to look through all that and to learn about it. But if I would choose to do something, I would love to study the research more, love to do more meditation, you know, teach some more unique courses. And so I think I think one of my challenges really is to be able to stay creative with everything I have going on in my life.

1:29:00I think everyone that's a high achiever, which is they could post time. I think we're at such a level of growth right now to just globally. I mean, our events sell out in 10 minutes, you know, five, 10 minutes. And we have a waiting list of sometimes 10 ,000 people. That's a problem. And I won't give up doing live events. I think it's, I won't do it online. I think it's something special that happens in community. And so I've never met someone who is so mission driven and doing so well in this department that also isn't paying a personal cost for the mission in some regard or capacity. Well, I think I've learned a few things over the years about that.

1:29:54And I think one of the great things, number one is I have an amazing team. I mean, I'm nothing without my team. And they're creatives and they're cool and they're emotionally intelligent. And they're not nine to fiveers. They share the same mission with me. They see the same vision. They do it for the same reason. Somehow they're part of that change in transformation. And so my team is able to allow me to do something really, really unique. And that is to focus on what I love to do more than anything else. So my team is super, super huge help for me. So I think that it's an important element. The other thing that I work on, I think every day of my life, is to be the example of everything that I teach.

1:30:45I mean, that's important for me. Because I want to be in the game with everybody. So when I see transformation, when I see miracles, when I see healing, when I see change, when I see poor people become richer, whatever that is. And I'm a part of that. I think it's really, it humbles me. It really makes me more humble and seeing what's possible for human beings. And so I never want this work to be about me. I want it to be about you. I want it to be, I want to celebrate your story. I want to be there for that person when they open their eyes and we're blind and they're seeing for the first time.

1:31:23I want to be right there. I want to be there. I want to remember that moment and her joy. So for me, I work on being the example in every way that I can. And sometimes it requires a lot of extra time to do that. What is the, what is the, and then this is an interesting use of phrase because I'm saying the word cost as if it's a negative. But I just, I think everyone that's leading a mission, whatever that might be and they're really dedicated to that mission, and the way that you are flying around the world, continuing to do it in person where most people, you know, everyone knows you could just do it online.

1:32:03And you'd probably make more money to be honest. You know, there's people that just have moved online, post pandemic. You're giving a level of dedication and personal investment into this mission. That must, all I assume, it must come at a personal cost to some degree. You make sacrifices. You have to sacrifice relationships at time. You know, sometimes you can't be where you want to be. But I think that the people in my life that love me, understand my mission and they respect that. Sometimes I'm on six different time zones in four weeks and that's a lot for my body, you know, but God watching somebody on the stage just the other day tell the story of how she overcame tri -facial neurology in one moment in the event.

1:32:53She wanted someone to chop her head off. That's how much pain she had in her face for years. One moment, she said, I have no pain. I was the first time I've not had pain in years. To me, that's worth all the lost luggage, the misflights, the jet lag. To me, it's worth more than all the gold in the world. I mean, I don't know. It's just so uncommon and yet something innate in us wakes up. It's something wakes up in us when we see that. We forgot. We forgot and somehow we remember. So you asked my staff, what is the greatest part of their job? They'll tell you being a part of transformation, being a part of it, being a part of that.

1:33:36So there is a cost always. And at the same time, I really work on figuring out ways to do things better. I mean, I think that's one of the things I love about myself is just learning from my experience, learning from my past and the experiences, the greatest professor. And just saying, OK, if I had another opportunity, how could we do it differently? How could we serve better? How can we make it easier? What can we do differently? And again, I just have a great team that's super committed to whether they're running events, whether they're creating logos, whether they're doing a brand, whether they're managing the website, whatever, they're running the composing music with me for meditations.

1:34:21Or doing research. We just have really people that share that same mission. And I think changing individuals, one by one, to somehow make a change in the world, being a part of that's pretty cool. Was there a cut to this moment in your life that sent you more so in this direction? Sure, I mean, I got run over by a truck and a triathlon in 1986 in Palm Springs, California. And I broke six vertebrae in my spine. And I had bone fragments on my spinal cord, and I had the neural arch of T -8 compressing on the cord. So typical prognosis for that is, you know, is, is, Harrington Rod surgery. They put these long stainless steel rods in your spine.

1:35:09So in my case, it would be from the base of my neck to the base of my spine. Stabilize the entire spine. And I just had four opinions from four of the leading surgeons in Southern California. And I was my 20s, and I just couldn't imagine myself living, you know, addictive medications or not being able to do whatever I love to do physically. So I decided not to have the surgery. I just went against the opinions of the experts, and I just thought maybe there's a way that my mind could heal my body. And so that started my journey and it's somehow it worked. So I've been spending the rest of my life studying that.

1:35:50Had that not happened, do you think you were going to do any different direction? Sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. What if the worst thing that happens, you was the best thing that happened to you?

1:36:02And that starts this, this, you create this belief in your mind that you can heal yourself using your mind. Well, it was kind of crazy because I think when you're faced with crisis, in a situation like this, we tend to focus on the worst thing that could happen instead of the best thing that could happen. And that's because of the hormones of stress and emergency, you always prepare for the worst. Better chances of survival if you think about the worst. So it took an enormous amount of energy for me to stop that, to stop thinking that way and stop feeling that way. Six and a half weeks of a dark night of the soul, I would say.

1:36:37Because I couldn't get my brain to do what I wanted it to do. Even though I theoretically and understood it, I just kept defaulting and spent hours. And finally, I was able to kind of get control over it. And then as soon as I started noticing some changes in my body, that's when I just, the moment I started feeling my limbs again and the moment I started noticing I was moving a little better, I knew somehow I was having an effect and that's the moment it all changed for me. Running all these businesses, Joe, and you have such an empire of businesses and projects and people in teams all over the world, how have you managed your relationship with technology?

1:37:19Because technology's only present in my life. And that's why I say, I get dragged out of bed by it. Stephen, I never plan on doing any of this. I never plan on doing any of this. All the corporate stuff just came out of a few lectures because there were CEOs and presidents of companies that urged me to create a model for change for companies and organizations. I never wanted to do that. I never wanted to do an inter -health coalition with doctors. Just our community. There's an emergent consciousness that says, please do that. We're working on, in the same vein of the same mission, giving people our community, listening to our community and creating more of that for people.

1:38:03I don't have any difficulty if it's part of the mission to do any of those things. I think it's, if I were just doing my events and that's it, and we could just do that, my life would be a whole lot simpler. But all these other things that we're doing now in terms of, they also bear a lot of fruit. I mean, the research that we're doing right now is, I can say right now, Stephen, that what we're doing is no longer pseudoscience. I can say that now. It's no longer pseudoscience. I can say that in seven days, your body can make a pharmacy of chemicals that work better than any drug. I can tell you that one intervention called meditation can change a host of different health conditions.

1:38:52There's no drug that does that. So if I weigh those, all those different things that I have to evolve in some way against the effects it's producing, it's always, for me, worth the effort. Are you happy? Yeah. What does that mean? That I don't need anyone or anything to make me happy. That's your definition of happiness. I think, yeah, I mean, if you have a kind of a freedom of expression without any real limitation, and you're comfortable with you, and you love what you're doing, and you feel good about it, and sure, I mean, I'm always in the river of change. I'm always looking for blind spots.

1:39:32I'm always working on evolving who I am. I always want to be, I always want to evolve my experience. I always want to look to see if it serves me.

1:39:43So, Jeff Saddays? I have days where I'm overwhelmed by just everything. What are the symptoms of that, either? It takes me a little bit to focus my attention again, just too many things I have to think about. So I have to take a little time and get centered and organized. But do I have sad days? I don't know, sad. I don't really know sad. But kind of a days where I'm kind of introspective without needing much emotion, yeah, I have those days, yeah. If this were to be your long stay on Earth, Joe? Wow. And there was just a central message that the millions of people, you know, that could be listening right now, you felt that they needed to hear.

1:40:36That would serve them the best and serve us collectively the best. What might that central message be? It's important for people to believe in themselves. I think it's really important for people to remember that they're the creators on some level, and they have a hand in creating in their life. And that possibility is something that they should always keep their mind open to. I think that we're greater than we think. We're more powerful than we know, more unlimited than we could ever dream. Do you realize how many people you've helped? Gosh, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe. You must be moved by the feedback you get, because I was reading through testimonials, and messages, and all the top comments and stuff, and it's really, really profound stuff.

1:41:30It's hard to imagine a world where that doesn't touch. It's better for us. People stop me a lot of times, and I'll be somewhere, and they'll say, Hey, I know you hear this a lot. You really helped me, or you really changed my life, and I always say to them, I never get tired of the story. It's the feedback for me that inspires me to keep doing what I'm doing. I love the stories. I love to hear them. It challenges many times my own belief about what's possible.

1:42:07I love to celebrate that with people. This next chapter of your life is successful. We sit here 10 years from now, and you say Steve, that was a fantastic decade for you. What would have happened in that decade for you to say that? Gosh, we would publish a lot of papers that show how powerful people really are. We would have our own research center where we could do even further studies on cancer, on all different chronic health conditions. We were studying the effects of healing on others, and we have really profound data on that as well. I think that the conversation in healthcare and medicine could change on some level.

1:42:53I mean, the conversations that I'm having with researchers and physicians are not the same conversations I was having just two years ago, especially when they look at our data, they kind of fall out of their chair. I mean, as an example, a drug study is about 25 % causality, one in four respond, and it's usually 60 days, 90 days a year before you see a change. Our data is between 75 and 85 % causality. That means eight out of 10 people are getting a response, and they're not taking anything. No exogenous substance. In other words, their nervous system is producing a pharmacy of chemicals that works better than any drug.

1:43:37I think the conversation around emotional regulation and emotional health could change. That's something that I'm interested in. I think meditation could be something that is a way of life for more people to be healthier and to be happier and to be more whole. I mean, when I started this journey, even you couldn't even say meditation in public. You couldn't say it in certain organizations, corporations, government agencies, it was not allowed. Now it's sexy, now it's cool.

1:44:14So demystifying that process, because there's so many colloquialisms and slangs and idioms that have to do with meditation, demystifying that process. We don't teach any traditional meditation. We don't teach anything that's based on culture or religion. We teach meditation based on the data, we see, based on the brain scans, based on the HRVs, based on the data that we're collecting. We know the words now. We know the mihuzik, we know the timing. We know a lot of things in terms of transformation that has helped us in so many ways. What do you think is going to become sexy in 10 years from now that's not sexy now?

1:44:54Like meditation. God, I hope it's not AI. I hope it's not AI. I hope it's something that has to do with the human spirit. Much of your work is now trying to bring people together in 3D. And I saw this as I was on your website earlier on today. I was looking at some of your upcoming initiatives. When in particular was this walk that you're doing, which I found really, really interesting. This is the first ever global walk that will take place on Saturday, September 23rd, 2023, this year. All the details are at walkforth .world. So www .walkforth .world. And I was reading about why you're doing this.

1:45:38And the words community came up. The words illusion of separation came up. Yeah. I think, you know, if you study the peace gathering projects that have been done peer -reviewed articles of peace gathering projects when people come into a community they meditate on peace, a city. The crime rates go down, violence goes down, car crashes, car accidents go down, economic growth goes up. Somehow there's a change in the collective. But when the meditation ends and the peace gathering project ends, the crime rate returns back to the same. The car accidents and the violence return back to the same ceiling value as it was before.

1:46:18It's not enough to just pray. It's time to beat the prayer. So walking meditation, we do in our community and we do a lot of them because you've got to be able to walk as it. You've got to be able to do it with your eyes open. Doing it with your eyes closed is a practice so you can do it with your eyes open. So you can demonstrate it. Demonstrate peace. Demonstrate love. Demonstrate change for the world. And so the walking meditation is four types of meditations. There's seated meditation. We do a lot of that and that's traditional. There's a standing and walking meditation and there's a lying down meditation.

1:46:51We teach all of those. But the standing and walking meditation is a great way to stand up for the world. And decide if I change and have enough of us change, we could actually change the world. So the meditation starts with our eyes closed, standing up with our eyes closed and getting into an altered state. Music changes. We open our eyes and we walk as that change. We embody that change. We live that change. We think about what we're going to leave behind for a new world. What if I change? What would be, could I, am I part of the whole? Could I affect the whole? And so person walks for a period of time.

1:47:26They stop again. They close their eyes. They recalibrate. They get back in that feeling. They open their eyes and they walk again. And so walking meditation is a great way for thousands and thousands of people from around the world. To walk for change in the world. And we have such compelling data about collective networks of observers with brain and heart coherence. That somehow when you have a random event generator in our ballrooms and people change their state and they have an intention. That random events become less random and more intentional. In other words, a machine that's programmed to toss a coin a thousand times a second, multiple times a second.

1:48:10The more you toss a coin, the more you're going to have 50 -50. Right? So if you have a machine in the room and nobody's in the room, you see just kind of this line. Stay right around the 50 -50 mark. But when you fill that room with people and they change their state and they have an intention all of a sudden, you see that line break way out of normal. And a program machine that's normally flipping zeros and ones starts behaving very differently. It tells us that collective networks begin to determine reality. It's not the number of people. It's not the amount of energy. You have an entropic energy.

1:48:42It's the most coherent group of people. So if we come together on one day, and this will be one of many walks, you leave everything behind. Bring your family. Bring your friends. Bring your coworkers. Bring your neighbors. You never have to have done a meditation before. We'll guide people through it. We'll give them the MP3 file. And we have just over 800 or 900 cities now from around the world that are people from around the world that are participating. And the numbers are growing. So we don't know where it'll go. But it's our first attempt to just say if we just couldn't move the needle one degree and off that trajectory, off that timeline, just in another timeline, then it served its purpose.

1:49:31So yeah, we're excited about it. It's the first one and hopefully we'll do some more. I'll put all the details below. Where have you listening to this so you can check it out? I was wondering as you were speaking, Joe, let's ask myself, you're someone that's constantly doing research and developing new ideas and hypotheses about the world and the way humans are and the way the universe is. Do there exist beliefs in your head that you're too scared to share? You mean beliefs that I have that are from experience? Or beliefs that I have that are conjectureous? Either. Both. Yeah, I have a very strong belief that the probability of us seeing the truth in reality is zero.

1:50:15I think that we perceive less than 1 % of reality. The brain is missing out on a lot of data. And I think that we should never exclude ourselves from the unknown. I think there's a whole part of the unknown self that we're unaware of that I think exists beyond linear time and space. And I do believe that it's real. And you don't know what that is? Well, I do. I think it's a realm beyond space and time that I think your eye right now is perceiving a very small spectrum of frequency. The visible light is a very tiny slice in the electromagnetic spectrum. And that visible light red, orange, yellow, blue, green in the go violet is is actually bouncing off of the slowest and most stable form of energy called matter.

1:51:12And that gives us this perception of separation, right? Well, that small spectrum is less than 1 % of what we actually can perceive. So I think that our senses plug us into reality into three dimensional reality. But I think there are realities that exist beyond space and time that we're unaware of that we can tap into. Yeah, I do. And I think there are latent systems in the brain that once activated allows the brain to transduce that energy, that frequency, into profound information. Does psychedelics drug drugs work in that way? I think psychedelics give a person a perception of reality that's beyond three dimensional reality.

1:51:56We're discovering that the nervous system makes its own pharmacy of psychedelics. In fact, we have really recent data that shows that many people that have a mystical experience in our work that have FMRIs look like they're on psilocybin. And yet your nervous system is making that natural chemical endogenously. And how are those mystical experiences triggered? I'll give you the short version. There's a tiny little gland in the back of your brain called the pineal gland. And the pineal gland has tiny little crystals inside of it that are stacked up on top of each other, rambohedron in shape. And that little tiny gland acts like a radio receiver for electromagnetic frequencies.

1:52:48And when those crystals become activated, like a radio receiver, they can pick up frequencies that are beyond your senses, the quantum. And they can transduce, it's called a transducer, it can transduce that frequency, like a TV antenna, into profound imagery, very full on sensory experience without your senses. It just explains a lot. It explains a lot. My girlfriend always talks to me about the pineal gland and DMT and, you know, and the power of everything you've just described. I just want to remain open -minded because being close -minded at any point in my life is not conducive with progress and growth.

1:53:36So my desire in doing this podcast generally is just to learn from people that have new perspectives on the nature of the world and to remain humble in the fact that I know very little. So what you said at the end there about us knowing, almost knowing zero about the nature of true reality, or whatever that might mean, I do believe. I do believe that I know very little about the true nature of reality. And my senses have deceived me, whether it's in psychosalic states or other states, so I'm very aware of how the fragility of this experience or, you know, whether truth is what I think it is. Yeah.

1:54:10Well, I think it only takes one mystical moment, one transcendental moment for us to realize that we're missing out on a little bit of reality. We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest without knowing who they're leaving a question for. If you were made president of this country and you had to implement laws that would make our lives better, what would you do and why?

1:54:47Wow, where do we start? Oh, boy. Well, I would consider education to be a much bigger priority for both people that teach that they're rewarded in a better way. And the educational system to be more so critic and more stimulating for people to question and to have healthy debates, I think that's great. I would consider looking at the medical model a little bit more and really look to see if health care is really helping people in this country. I would find ways to unify different sex or different organizations or bring them together, bring them to the middle in some way. I think standing up for principles instead of politics is a really healthy thing to do.

1:55:58I'd probably try to figure out a way to reduce the debt, to end war, to find ways that we could coexist with other countries. I'd certainly think a lot about artificial intelligence and decide if it was really, really healthy for human beings. I would encourage in many ways different religions to come together and find ways to get along. I would spend a lot of time with regenerative agriculture and bringing life back to the soil and back to the earth and figure out ways to help the oceans and species that are passing. And to address healthy food, food that is good for people, that is medicine for people.

1:56:52Thank you for your work and thank you on behalf of all the people, the millions of people all around the world that you're clearly helping without really even knowing it. I've never seen such profound testimonials in anything I've ever seen. Also, the reason I actually have this on the table isn't because you asked to promote me. I think your team actually said I didn't need to put it on the table, but it's because one of our members of our team, their elderly relative has been going through a lot of pain and struggle in their lives. And they read your book and it really, really helped them this week.

1:57:23That's great. So you could get it signed on behalf of them. Absolutely. Which I think is a testament to the impact you're having on people. So thank you so much, Joe. It's an honor. No, thank you, Stephen, for all the work you do also. I appreciate it.

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