EMERGENCY DEBATE: What Trump’s Return Really Means for America & The Real Reason Men Voted for Trump! Is the UK About to Collapse?!

26:09So I wish we took more of that. And it speaks to your question about are we a failing nation? Look, I think it's a deliberately inflammatory question, which I don't want to actually accept in that way. But what I think we should acknowledge is are we trending up or are we trending down? And when you talk about over 10 ,000 million as of left, I hear that through a normal British person's ear. And I worry that there's quite a lot of British people who will hear that and say, oh, good, all of these rich parasites have left. Because that's our attitude in the UK to a very large extent. We see wealthy people not as what they are, which is for the most part, not everybody, but for the most part, people who've created a tremendous amount of value for their fellow human beings and as a result of that have been rewarded.

27:03We see them because we have this history of the landed gentry. And so to us, a millionaire is someone who has these ill -gotten gains that they don't deserve, right? That is not really the world we live in. When I talk to wealthy people in this country, and pretty much everywhere else, for the most part, especially in the Western world, these are people who've created something that has fundamentally helped other human beings do something better, to do something easier, buy products cheaper, whatever it is. That's who the successful people really are. And we just need an attitude shift. That's what we should be downloading from America.

27:41What we should be saying inside our heads is this person is successful because they've helped other people. Great. How do we get more of those people into our country? And I'm afraid I'm telling you something that you know better than anyone, Stephen. If you don't have entrepreneurs in your country, creating businesses and creating jobs, the economy is going to stagnate for the rest of eternity. We have to get smart, talented, driven people into our country instead of chasing them out. Dan, I know this is a subject that you're very passionate about and Constantine's articulated it really, really well.

28:14I've seen lots of your posts about this subject down. What are you seeing? Is it true that the British attitude is a form of self -harm that's holding us back from our potential? There are definitely attitudinal factors, but you'll also get the most incredibly entrepreneurial people here in London. London is a melting pot for creativity. You've got sitting in one city, you've got people who are phenomenal at media, finance, technology, entertainment, politics, defense, like all of this, like if you take the best of L .A. and Washington and New York and Miami and kind of start moving it into one city, you know, you get elements of that in London.

28:53It's a very diverse city from that point of view and it creates an entrepreneurial melting pot. The issue is taxes. Nobody wants to pay 60 % of their income in taxes. And as soon as you hit, you know, in the US, you don't hit the top tax rate until you are six times the average wage here in the UK. It's two and a half times. So as soon as you're two and a half times the average wage, you are, you're in real trouble. There are so many people in the UK who deliberately hold their income at £50 ,000 because after £50 ,000, you get taxed 40 % of your income. So people just give up and they say, I'm not going, I know some really small, really talented people who could be earning a lot more and they refuse to pay the 40 % rate.

29:38So they like keep everything small because they don't want to go from 20 to 40 % at the 50 grand rate, which is crazy. And I've employed people who have said, can I have a day off a week rather than going over that threshold. So that's a huge issue, the tax issue. The company rate tax is high. The corporate capital gains rate is tax. Tax very high. The VAT is high. The council tax is high. All of these additional taxes just keep piling up. And then the other cost at the moment, if we want to have an AI economy, we need cheap electricity. One thing that Trump has committed to is really, really cheap energy.

30:16There is no such thing as a fast growth high, you know, high octane economy that has expensive energy. Cheap energy equals fast growth and we have the most expensive energy in the world. We can't run data centers here because the energy cost is going to be too high. So if we want to have an AI driven economy, you know, we can't do it with windmills and solar panels that have got frost all over them. It's got you look like a lot of thoughts are going through your head following these two comments. What are you thinking? Well, with respect to energy, Trump issued an executive order calling it an energy crisis.

30:54Gasoline in the U .S. on an inflation -adjusted basis is less expensive than it was 50 years ago. We are now the largest oil producer in the world. I would argue that we have a housing crisis and that the executive order should have been around that. It's just going back to the US and I'm curious of the same dynamics and whether Constantine and Daniel agree with us. I believe this, the election in the US was supposed to be a referendum on women's rights. Women's rights did not show up. This was a referendum on young men in my view. And that is if you look at the two cohorts that swung most from Luda Red versus 2020 to the three cohorts other than Latinos was people under the age of 30 who in the US are 24 % less wealthy than they were 40 years ago.

31:37People over the age of 70 or 72 % wealthier. Our tax code is basically an attempt to shed money from the young to the old. And two, 45 to 64 year old women, who I would affectionately describe as their mother. And that is when your son's in the basement, vaping and playing video games. And I think a lot about struggling young men, you don't give a flying fuck about teratoyal sovereignty in the Ukraine or Ukraine, excuse me, or transgender rights. All you know is your kid isn't doing well. And 210 times a day, your kid's getting a notification that somebody he knows is on a Gulf stream or parting in St.

32:11Bart's and it's not him or her. And so we not only have young people not doing as well, this pornographic wealth is just shoved in their face. And you end up with, in my opinion, kind of a young, struggling young man. No group has fallen further faster in the world. I would argue, than young men in America. They are, if you go into a morgue in the United States, and there's five people died by suicide, four of them are men. One and three men under the age of 30 has a girlfriend, two and three women under the age of 30 has a boyfriend. Why? You think that's mathematically impossible because women are dating older because they want more economically and emotionally viable men.

32:49There's one and five men live at home at the age of 30, one and three under the age of 25. They're not having sex. They're more obese, they're more depressed. When women don't have a relationship, they oftentimes channel that energy into their professional lives. More women own single women own homes in the US and single men, women in urban areas under the age of 30 are making more money than men. When men don't have the guard's rails of a relationship or a job or being in school, they pour that energy sometimes into unproductive things, misogyny, nationalism or extreme nationalism, conspiracy theory.

33:23in some they become really shitty citizens. They become sequestered from society. So I'm worried in the US, our biggest threat is a new species of asexual, asocial young men who are incredibly dangerous have lost, have opted out of America. 60 % of 30 year olds who have one child in America, and that's 27%. So people, I think in the US, and I'm just a genuine question, I don't know if it's the same problem here, Our tax policies have taken money from the young, stuff them in the pockets of old people, so Nana and Pop -Opkin upgrade from Carnival to Crystal Cruises, meanwhile young people can afford education, they can afford housing.

34:03And we especially see this really acute emerging crisis among young men who are just opting out of America who don't even want to try and date, don't even want to enroll in school, don't even want to try and get a job. just stick in their basements and go on redder discord or why go try and shower or work out and get a relationship when you have you porn. Why get a job when you can trade stocks or crypto on coin base or robinhood? I think this is in my opinion this is the most dangerous trend in America right now. It was almost like demonizing men for decades has consequences. I mean this is what's been happening.

34:42Men are the root of all evil. The root of all evil. Every advert is about, you know, the woman is strong and capable. The guy is pathetic. In every movie, the woman is kicking us and the man is pathetic. This has been going on for decades. It's a cultural thing, as well as an economic thing. And many of us have been saying that when you take meaning and opportunity away from men, if you create an education system that punishes boys for being boys, if you create a society in which traditional masculine virtues become vices, then you will create exactly the sort of thing that Scott is talking about.

35:20It's a terrible thing that's been done. Having said that, my message is always the same to young men who are hope are listening, which is the answer to your problems is never going to be, as Scott says, porn and this and that. The answer to your problems is going to take responsibility, go out and get a job or create a business and actually make your life better. No one's coming to save you, no one's coming to help you. There is no, there's the sort of programs that we have for women where we sort of go, well, you know, let's give them an opportunity here. None of that's happening for men. It's not going to happen because for evolutionary reasons, we just don't feel sorry for men the way that we do for women.

35:59That's the reality. I know it sucks, but dancer for men is going to be the dancer that's always been the answer for men, which is for you to get off the sofa, to get off the couch and go out and actually do and create and build and find your own way through it, even if you have to acknowledge that the society you live in has been conditioned for quite a long time to think that you're a piece of shit because you happen to have the genitalia that you do. Now, that I think is the harsh reality of it, and I think Scott is right to point this out as a problem, And I hope that we start to have both in terms of economic policy, but in terms of also just the cultural conversations, on the way we talk about these issues, we come back to something that human beings have known through the entire history of the R species, which is men and women are both good and need to work together in order to thrive and succeed together in order to have families, in order to have children, and in order for us to have healthy communities and healthy societies.

36:55You need healthy femininity and you need healthy masculinity and they need to come together and work together That's what we're supposed to do and these stupid gender wars and this idea that men as a group of this and women as a group are that All of that just needs to end I was watching last night as Trump sat there signing all of those executive orders and I also watch his inauguration and speak where he said, we will forge a society that is colorblind and merit -based. And he signed a bunch of executive orders last night to eliminate a variety of different DEI programs in the federal government directing agencies to dismantle these practices within 60 days.

37:36And then over the last couple of months we've seen meta come out and dismantle in reverse of their DEI programs. We've seen McDonald's, Walmart Ford, Harley Davidson, Boeing, Amazon, Toyota. It feels like there's a real shift happening in both, you know, sort of identity politics, but also in this sort of corporate environment that those identity politics have really emerged from. Are you supportive of Trump's move to roll back DEI measures? So, I think there's a lot of nuance here. I would argue in universities, we've, DEI is used as a giant misdirect from people such is myself who are enforcers of the caste system and wake up every morning and look in the mirror and ask ourselves the same question, how do I increase my compensation while decreasing my accountability?

38:23And what I found as the ultimate strategy is to create an LVM -Mate rejection as bullshit elitist strategy where Dartmouth sits on a endowment of $8 billion and lets in 500 kids. So the conversation around who gets in is a misdirection from the important question that is how many? If you are not growing your endowment or your freshman class faster than population, you should lose your tax -re -status. We should be letting in more gay kids, more trans kids, more white Republicans, some rural state. You know who doesn't talk about DEI? Junior colleges, because there's no admissions. They don't have a problem with DEI.

38:59So I think DEI on campus has ended up eating its own tail, started out with the right idea. Now it's nothing. And I would argue the same as somewhat true of the Democratic Party. on the DNC .org website. It lists 17 special interest groups, and it says explicitly who we serve. Asian Pacific Islanders, seniors, veterans, black Americans, the disabled. It basically lists, I added this up, 76 % of the population. And when you say you're actively advocating for 76 % of the population, you're not advocating for 76 % of the population. You're discriminating against the 24%. It's gone too far. I would argue in the workplace having served on seven public company boards and I'm going to do a lot of boasting here because I'm desperate for all of your affirmation and 12 private company boards.

39:51There's still work to be done in the private sector. There still is a cycle 40 % of all venture capitalists and probably 70 or 80 % of all venture capital deployed are white guys from just two universities Stanford and Harvard. So I would argue universities it's gotten out of control. I'd love to see the DEI apparatus disassembled along with the ethics department the sustainability department the leadership department. These are all bullshit where we hire formal important people with no standards they never get fired. It just translates to more student debt. But in the boardroom, in corporations and certain sectors, I do think there is a need to be thoughtful about broadening the aperture of the lens and bringing in people who are underrepresented.

40:34There's still a dearth of women raising venture cap. So I think it's nuanced based on sector. But to just say all DEI is bad, I want to move to where the University of California did in 1997. They don't have race -based affirmative action. they have adversity based affirmative action. I'm a beneficiary of affirmative action. I had something called pell grants. I was raised by a single immigrant mother who lived in Dytas Secretary, so I got grants. I had unfair advantage because I came from a household that was low income. And I think that there should be affirmative action and I think it should be based on color, but that color is green.

41:15The poor need our help. If the moment you start advocating for special advantage based on any external factors, I think at this point in our society, it probably causes more problems than it solves. That's exactly right. That's exactly right, Stephen. And I think if we take a step back and look at why D .I .s become such a big part of the conversation, it's precisely because instead of addressing the reality of people's lives, which is some people are disadvantaged and some people are advantaged. Actually, what we've mainly done, and the Scott alluded to at the very beginning of our discussion is, we've given a leg up to very wealthy, ethnic minority people from successful families, and they now, their children now, get into prestigious universities, which they probably would have done anyway, some of them, because they come from very advanced backgrounds, and the kids that are growing up in poverty, black and white, have no short whatsoever.

42:15But the reason that it's become such a big issue around the Western world, actually, I don't think it's the nuances that we've dealt into here, but actually something else, which is we have created the most ethnically diverse societies in history, and what I mean by that is not that we've created societies in which there are large groups of people who are different from each other, but for the first time, probably in human history, with created societies in which there is a lot of ethnic diversity, and there is no overt discrimination against some groups of people in the sense of, you know, the imperial societies in the past would have had one dominant ethnic group, which is, you know, the Russians in the Soviet Union, or the Turks in the Ottoman Empire, or the Brits in the British Empire, whatever.

43:04That was the ethnic group that was like the dominant one, and everybody else was a kind of second class citizen, and then everybody knew it, right? We don't have that anymore. We have highly diverse societies, where people of every single background exist, in which we have this idea that we're all supposed to be equal. And when we have programs that explicitly discriminate against people, that were times when the discrimination was explicit against black people, well, we've got, We've gone full circle now where the discrimination was going the other way in university admissions in hiring in all sort in corporate America in government in all sorts of things.

43:44You know in this country the BBC has internships that aren't available to white people etc. When you get to that point as Scott said earlier on everyone just goes look I know I'm not supposed to say this but the reality is this is racism. This is a form of racism, and I thought we were trying to get away from the racism. So to the extent that the elimination of DEI is about creating a merit -based society, in which people are given an opportunity, because they're skilled and talented and they have the potential to actually achieve things and create, well, you know, we all know this. We all employ people, right?

44:22How many of us are thinking about the races of the people we hire? I don't think we think about that at all. What we are thinking about is, I run a business, I need the very best possible person for this job and the price I'm willing to pay. I don't care if they are purple, green, blue, white, whatever. It doesn't matter. What matters is, are we getting the best person for the job? And my concern about identity politics has always been that if we do not adopt that world view, then what we will do is create a world view in which we have different racial groups competing with each other on the basis of race.

45:01And that is a very, very dangerous mix for a multi -ethnic society like ours, which is why I've been begging people to let go of this stupid idea of identity politics. And to say, first and foremost, we are all brits or we are all Americans. We have this umbrella identity under which we all operate. And our personal ethnicity or sex or whatever is secondary to that. And actually for the purposes of employment, for the purposes of college admission, etc., is irrelevant. Yes, if there is disadvantage, if we grew up in a single parent home with a low income, we may need some extra support there. If we had terrible schooling, our education was not good, we may need extra support.

45:45If there's certain things that make it easier for us because of the disadvantages we've to fulfill our talent and potential. I'm all for that. But what we've created so far, and that's why I'm delighted it's being eliminated, is an anti -marital -cratic system, which says, we don't care what you bring to the workplace. We don't care whether you deserve this place. We don't care about the potential you have. Actually, we just needed an insert category tick box to fill this slot. And you filled it. It doesn't really matter that you're not doing your job very well, because now we can say, you know, we're a diverse company.

46:22I don't care about that, and we shouldn't care about that as a society. And thank God that's now gone. Yeah, I think the worst part about it too is that it calls into question when someone does succeed, and they're from a diverse background, you know, calls into question why they got that job in the first place, which I think is horrible. You know, I just, I just, I had, from two candidates, the final two candidates was a guy and a woman. I would hate if the woman felt that she got the job because she's a woman and not because she's best. She turns out she was by far the best in the process and I would love her to know that there was absolutely nothing that changed our view.

47:02We weren't trying to fill a position with a woman. We were trying to fill the position with the best and she should know she was the best. I think the contrast that was really fascinating was between Trump's website and the Democrats' website. So in the in the Democrats website, it was who were four, which was what Scott was saying, but the Trumps were a Trumps website was the 20 things we're going to do and it was just a list of 20 these are the 20 action points. This is what we're going to we're going to do this. We're going to do this. We're going to do this. We're going to do this. So it was a to do list as opposed to the identities where hell that we want to advantage list.

47:37And I think that was the choice, you know, at the beginning Constantine you said, you know, America had a choice. And for me when I looked at those two websites, I saw this choice between the identities being the main thing or the to -do list, being the main thing and very different approaches. Scott, I am, when I was listening to that Zuckerberg interview talking about masculinity and identity issues. One of the lines he said, and there sounded like something you've said on my show before, where he said, I think having a culture that celebrates that aggression a little bit more, talking about masculinity, has its own merits that are really positive.

48:13Now, Mark Zuckerberg isn't necessarily someone that I saw closely aligning to your world view. Am I right in thinking that that's something you agree with? Because I remember you saying to me, you think people should be able to walk in a room and kick everyone's ass. What I've said on your show is that I think the male form, especially under the age authority with its bone structure, incredible double twitch muscle, and this amazing, amazing chemical called testosterone. You're going to look back at your 25 year old self, and like, why wasn't I a fucking monster like Steve Barley? Because, and also, there is, you know, some masculinity when Russian soldiers pour over the border in Ukraine, you want some of that big dick energy that Daniel was talking about.

49:00In the case of Zuckerberg, I don't think, I don't think he really understands an aspirational view of masculinity. I think when he catches immediately kind of trying to kiss Trump's ass because Trump threatened to put him in prison and what he used to call moderation, he's now calling censorship. And when you have an algorithm that elevates incendiary hateful content, I would not describe that as masculinity. For me, masculinity comes down to protection, providing and procreation. And I don't think it's a, I think to talk about gendering a workplace in the context of trying to excuse a total elimination of what I would think is probably healthy moderation.

49:44I imagine Daniel and Constie might have a different view. I don't, I think he's just couching his, his is supplicant, obsequious, kiss ass behavior under the auspices of masculinity. It just doesn't ring true for me. And I'm not sure if we need to man up or fem up organizations and companies right now. When I talk about masculinity, if I say at a conference, oh, women are better managers, everyone goes, yes, that's right, that's right, right? That's okay. If I say men are more risk aggressive and make better entrepreneurs, you're a misogynist, you're out. And the reality is men and women bring different attributes.

50:22But the masculinity and femininity, I think masculinity is a wonderful thing. I think we need a different image of it. I think people born as male have an easier time leaning into those things. Having said that, I work at a CrossFit with a much a lesbian firefighter. They bring great masculine energy. And they could carry my ass out of a fire. So a lot of men demonstrate wonderful feminine qualities. A lot of women demonstrate wonderful masculine qualities. I don't think these things are sequestered to anyone born as a specific gender. What I think, what I talk about masculinity, I don't talk about it in the role of corporations.

50:55I think that's this fraught with risk and not worth talking about. It should be about shareholder value or stakeholder value. I think young men need a code. We're going to church less. We have few relationships. So what's the code you hold on to in terms of creating behaviors that are productive for you, or yourself, society? And I think masculinity needs to be redefined as something more aspirational, where you're celebrated for being really fucking strong. You're celebrated for not complaining. You're celebrated for creating surplus value, create more tax revenue than you absorb. You're celebrated for being aggressive, you're celebrated for breaking up fights at bars, not starting them.

51:33You're celebrated for protecting your country, not shitposting it. You know, you're celebrated for approaching strange women and expressing romantic interest. That's not a crime. And if she's not interested and you're rejected, you're both going to be fine. You're celebrated for getting out of the house. You're celebrated for work and you're celebrated for making money and liking money. I think there just needs to be a redefinition of masculinity in the context of helping young men find a code that they used to get from the armed services or from dual parent households. And I feel like they're struggling.

52:09So I like the idea of something that they feel in their bones and in their body and in their DNA that they can lean into that we celebrate. And the conversation is flipped entirely five years ago. I was called a misogynist for talking about masculinity. Now the conversation is being led and advocated by one group and it's mothers who are like, my son is not doing well. I got three kids, two daughters, daughters in PR with the other ones at Penn and my son is in the basement vaping and playing video games. He needs something to latch onto. He needs a code. Anyways, but I apologize, word salad. Zuckerberg and masculinity can be a fucking break.

52:48He looks like a Chechen Molly dealer. Sorry, back to you, Steve. Well, it's interesting when you speak, Scott, because your views on masculinity appear to me to be most better represented by the right side of politics and the left side of politics. They both have their own vision of masculinity and you all seems to be a Republican view of masculinity. They flew it to Trump's credit. He saw the opportunity and he flew right into the Manosphere, rockets, crypto, Joe Rogan, the O 'Von. He said, no, I'm not going to run from this. I'm going to fly right into it. Now, I would argue that his vision of masculinity has too much coarseness, too much cruelty, too much bullying.

53:35I don't think that's masculinity. I think when we talk about Elon Musk taking risks, sending rockets that are captured by scissors coming down, inspiring the EV race, taking an enormous risk, making a shit ton of money. Yeah, that's a great form of masculinity. Accusing men trying to save high -socker players, calling them pedophiles, calling your employees a sex criminal, such that they have to leave their house. Having 13 kids by five women or three women, none of which you live with, living next to, sleeping next to a loaded gun, losing control of your self -control because of addiction. I don't think that's a great role model.

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56:05Constantine. Elon Musk, censorship. The word censorship it was used there by Scott. We've seen this reversal in Meta's attitude, Facebook's attitude that had been built up over a decade, where it almost felt like if you had sort of right leaning views or really any unexpected views and you posted those on Facebook, you would face maybe having the post deleted or your accounts suspended. This new world of speech, of free speech, and as it pertains to masculinity, do you think Elon Musk's decision to buy X, which I noticed got your left X, you no longer post or tweet on X anymore. Do you think Elon's decision to buy X is a net positive for society?

56:48Net yes, but I think what people hear when you say that is there's no problems with this system than, you know, compared to the ones we had before. There are definitely disadvantages to a free platform like X now. One of them is inevitably when you remove censorship, one of the things the censorship was doing was keeping all the deeply unpleasant people away from being able to shove things in your face. And that happens quite a lot on it. So I don't enjoy that aspect of it. But I've always said that would be the price that we would pay for freedom. Freedom always has a price. And that's what we're seeing.

57:31As for Zuckerberg, this miraculous transformation into a free speech warrior is just wonderful, and I'm delighted to welcome him. I'm sure it's entirely genuine, and not anything to do with the election results we've just seen in any way whatsoever, and the fact that the culture's shifted, and those of us who were being censored by people like him for years actually winning the argument. Well, what it shows you is we've won the argument on free speech when it comes to the big tech platforms, and it's going to be messy. And I always said it was going to be messy because inevitably when you create these large platforms that are algorithmically driven, where the truth and the moderate reasonable take is not what usually gets attention, you're going to see a lot of unpleasantness.

58:18I value the ability to hear and communicate truthful ideas and fact over my own subjective feelings, things, oh, someone said a thing I don't like, or someone was racist, or someone was misogynistic. I don't enjoy the fact that that happens, but I would rather that happened, and also we were not being censored from saying, you know, COVID probably came from a lab in China, which we were. You know, the Hunter Biden laptop story isn't Russian disinformation. Actually, it's an important piece of information that American voters need to hear when they're making their decision about the election. And all of these other things that were being suppressed and censored across social media for years, they're not anymore.

59:06And I think that's a good thing. And I think that's helpful. And if you look at, you know, to bring it back to the UK for a moment, Steven, as you know, on Trigonometry, we've tried to cover the grooming gang's scandal. And it's an outrage what happened in this country over decades. We've been covering that for years, since about 2019, in 2020, to very little purchase. And one of the reasons is, it was just something that the media sort of covered in them moved on. When it actually should have been something we talked about on a daily basis until serious action was taken, and we saw real, real change, real change in policing, real change in social work, real change in government, real change in the way that these racially aggravated hate crimes were treated.

59:52Well, none of that was really being talked about seriously until Elon kicked up a fuss, amplified the voices of survivors, amplified the voices of campaigners on X, which he bought. And now the British government is forced to do whatever it can to actually address those issues to the extent that it will. You know, a lot of people will say it still doesn't go far enough. Well, if it doesn't go far enough, we now have a platform from which we can continue to have that conversation until there is the sort of inquiry and the sort of outcomes that people want to actually deliver real change. So is that a positive?

1:00:29God yes, God yes. We needed that. Those women who were raped on a mass scale needed their voices to be amplified by someone like Elon Musk on a platform like X, which is now free, to the point where Keir Starmer is forcing to defensive action. That, I wish that was around 30 years ago, because a hell of a lot of young girls and women wouldn't have suffered the way they did if we had the opportunity to get that message out. So, God yes, it's an appositive. Just to pick up on that constantly, I've had a question in my mind for a while, regarding the scandal, which is horrific. I think something we all definitely agree on, is why has Elon chosen now?

1:01:08And why has he chosen Kierstarma as the sort of central target of this flurry of tweets around the grooming scandals? Because there's clearly, Elon's, I think, an individual which you can kind of see thinking in real time. Like if you go back through his tweets, because there's so many of them and they kind of come in these spurts, you can almost see what he's getting at. Is there an underlying reason why he's made this essential issue over the last couple of weeks? I think there are several reasons. One of the reasons that it's happening now is actually most Americans were completely unaware of this issue until recently.

1:01:41I remember a year ago being speaking at a private event in New York and somebody said to me, you know, what is the consequence of political correctness? Why are you so against it? Why are you so against censorship? And I talked about the grooming gangs and people were horrified. They hadn't even, and these are well -informed, educated people who are media savvy and whatever. So one of the reasons is I think to a lot of Americans, this issue is only coming to the fore now in front of their mind. The second issue I think is that Elon Musk understands what I said earlier, which is we have a global western culture now.

1:02:17And so what happens in Britain matters just as much as what happens in America because we are, we are symbiotic with each other now. When there's a restriction of speech in the UK when we have laws about what people are allowed to say, that has an impact across the world. When you see the European Union trying to pass legislation about online censorship, that has an impact because if something exists in the UK and in many European in countries, it's only a matter of time before people in America are going to say, well, look, they've got this in Europe. Why don't we bring it over here and vice versa?

1:02:52So what happens in America affects us in Europe and in the UK and what happens in Europe and the UK affects America? So what Elon, I think, is trying to do, is to say, we care about our civilization. Elon doesn't really talk that much about the United States. He talks about our civilization as I do because I believe that we are now one thing to a very significant extent. Now, from our civilisation point of view, is it a good thing that mass rape gangs in the UK are being insufficiently investigated and treated improperly by the police and the government? No, it's not. It's a very bad thing. So how do we address that?

1:03:28Well, we address that by putting pressure on the government of the day. Now, I don't see the grooming gangs as a party political issue. The Tories didn't really do anything about it properly, either, although there were individual members of the cabinet that tried to do something like Sweller Brahmman. But he's put in pressure on the government of the day. You can see him going after Nigel Farage of all people and saying Nigel Farage is not the right leader for reform. So he's attempting to shape British politics in the direction that he feels is the right way. What does he want? Well, I think he wants.

1:04:03Look, I don't know what Elon Musk wants. I don't know him personally. I haven't even yet had a chance to interview him, which I really look forward to doing, because I think he's one of the great visionaries of our time, whether you like him or not. I think that's undeniably true. But my sense is he's trying to talk about all the things that we've been discussing, freedom of expression, the end of identity politics, and the pursuit of meritocracy, a pioneering, inspiring vision of the future, which is why he's talking about Mars and a vision for our civilization that goes beyond the narrow squabbling that we do here on Earth.

1:04:39And the understanding that human beings are meant, we left the cave. We're not supposed to stay in a place with the walls closing in on us and feel like we're in decline. We're not supposed to be a civilization that has 1 .5 children per woman and that is simply just leaving the planet Earth because we can't reproduce. We're supposed to look at the future with hope and optimism. We're supposed to say, I want things to be better. I want things to be better for my children. I want to have children. I want the vision of our society, being one of positivity and optimism and a sense of a pioneering vision and inspiration.

1:05:21That's what I think he wants. And I don't really see any of that in the current government in the UK. And I think he's right to go after them and say you are destroying your country's economy, you're destroying its culture, you are destroying its sense of cohesiveness by allowing illegal immigration, you are destroying that sense of optimism and vision and you're not saying to people, let's build something better, you're saying let's stay small, let's play small, let's not rise above our station. I think we need people like that imperfect as they may be in all sorts of different ways to drive our civilization forward To say to us, there is an inspiring vision to which we're all moving as opposed to just sitting there and waiting to die, which is what we've been doing for far too long.

1:06:06Yeah, I think Elon is taking that word, you know, he said a year ago that he was going to absolutely dismantle the boat mine virus globally and he was going to ensure meritocracy and free speech. And when he sets his mind on something, he has the ability to stay focused on it for a very long time to a degree most people can't fathom. You know, and he's absolutely willing to endure pain. He loves a fight. He obviously has the kind of mind that can't relax unless he's kind of grinding up against some gear as well. Like the way he works needs stress in his life. He needs a big enemy. He needs a big fight to engage with.

1:06:44And I think Keir Starmer just ticked all of his boxes as someone to go up against. I think it's interesting is we talk about these big tech. I love that Scott has previously talked about breaking up big tech and I think there's potential for that in the next four years. All of these guys like Trump and JD Vance and all of them have locked horns with big tech and they've come, you know, this is their chance to get revenge on big tech in the next four years. They could do a little, you know, you might see Google have to, you know, spin off YouTube or you might see AWS have to come away from Amazon or something like that.

1:07:20who knows, but it's interesting that a lot of these big tech guys, they're probably co -zying up to Trump because you know that could be on the cards as well. There's been a lot of them Trump butt kick it butt kissing over the last couple of weeks. I think Trump's almost bragged about the fact that everybody's flown down tomorrow, Lago, to kisses butt and to cozy up with him. And there's now headline saying that there's this tech oligarchy forming in the United States where Bezos and Elon and Zarkar all now friends and they're stood behind Trump as this unifying force Just a just a touch on a few points of that but also on Constantine's message that Elon is doing this for the betterment of humanity to further humanity His involvement with the UK but his broader involvement in politics now Scott does that square with how you think about Elon and I am quite Curious to ask you why you made the decision to leave X and to go to blue sky and threads and things like that Yeah, I can't speculate on what motivates Elon Musk.

1:08:17I just, I quite frankly just don't get the guy. And I don't, also, I don't, I don't have the domain expertise to comment on the rape gangs. It's such a serious upsetting issue. I don't know it well enough to speak intelligently to it. The, just the topic of censorship, though, as it relates to meta, a hallmark of a free society and a democracy, is it pretty much anyone can say pretty much anything about pretty much anybody? I believe that. But the question is, do machines and bots have free speech rights? Because if I say something, I believe, I may be paranoid, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong. I believe VCs who's portfolio companies have said have overvalued, have enlisted thousands of bots to basically just shitpost me over and over on X to diminish my credibility.

1:09:06I think because I've been critical of Putin that the GRU has hired troll farms to create lists of thousands of people to weaponize bots to say disparaging things about them. Do those bots have free speech rights? In addition, when Fox News distributes information to its anchors saying dominion voting machines were weaponized by Hugo Chavez and Venezuela, despite the fact they knew that was not true. But they tell their broadcasters to do it anyways. And then Dominion says, this hurt our business and you knew it was false and you decided to communicated in any way. Their courts find them liable.

1:09:43They have to pay three quarters of a billion dollars. What happened at Fox News was a dumpster fire compared to the nuclear mushroom cloud on meta. So a lot of what we're talking about here, if you want to say that mRNA vaccines all to your DNA, I think you should have the right to say that. The dissenters voice is important because occasionally the conspiracy theorist ends up being correct. The question is, when you have a business model that elevates the most incendiary ugly content beyond its organic reach, should you then be exonerated from all liability and slander that traditional media companies are liable to?

1:10:21If we were to say the Elon Musk is a pedophile and start stating facts and evidence of it, and he could show that it's heard his ability to raise his money for Tesla and he filed legal action against this podcast, I think we would be in a world of hurt. And that legal liability is warranted. But the most powerful media companies in the world have section 230 protection. So they can, they have a business model where conspiracy theory or novel content, which is Latin for bullshit and lies, and the more angry it is, it gets elevated beyond its organic reach. So while I'm kind of down with the notion that we should have free speech and anybody should be able to say pretty much whatever they want, there's something wrong when we have algorithms that have a profit incentive around rage, conspiracy theory and lies, and two thirds of Republicans believe that the election was stolen.

1:11:20And when one and five Americans think that 9 -11 was an inside job, I mean, we are. Let's be honest, they thought that before the Internet. I remember watching all the 9 -11 truth, the movies and all of that. But your point overall is right. I totally agree. And by the way, Elon agrees with you. When he bought X, he talked about the bot problem. He talked about the amplification of our edge. He hasn't done as much as I hoped he would have done so far, but I hope that they do address that because that isn't an Elon or an ex -problem. It's a technology problem of the modern world. The reality is that the more we live our lives online, the more you're going to have a problem of the ability of foreign governments, of individual people to create fake accounts, bot farms, etc.

1:12:09To influence the way we look at all of these things. And we are going to have to come to terms with that reality because It's a technological issue that we're going to have to solve for, and we haven't yet. It's also very easy for people to get caught in their own bubbles as well, which is a new phenomenon. There was a time where if you believed crazy things, you still have to sit next to someone else in church and talk to them about their life and what they believe, and you encountered dissenting voices, you encountered sane, rational people who had very different views to you that you had to be friends with long -term.

1:12:42Whereas where we are right now is if you've got some sort of crazy view, you can find yourself only talking to people who share those views and only sharing content that reinforces those views until such time that you become extremely radicalized. I think that's such an important point because I think it's a real shame that AI LLMs aren't crawling the real world. I was a graindras yesterday. Someone comes up to me, love your content. Let's take a picture. They're so nice. Another person comes up to me and say, I disagree with your view on this, but we have a civil conversation. And then I come home to 40 bots telling me I'm Professor Janisside.

1:13:19I mean, people in the real world, generally speaking, I don't know if it's because of the threat of physical violence, so they want to have sex with you or maybe they think some point you'll hire their kid, or generally just a comedy of man, but people in real life I find are just lovely and wonderful. And it's ashamed that these LLMs aren't crawling this, because the trache and some of the vials shit they're crawling online, which I don't even think reflects our species. I think it reflects technology that has a profit mode of around promoting the most incendiary, hateful content. So there's got to be some sort of medium speed here.

1:13:55And also I got a FXD because you don't like Chick -fil -A, don't eat a Chick -fil -A. If Musk wants to pay $44 billion in turning into a Nazi porn bar, that's his right. I don't think there's, I don't think it's illegal, I don't think the government should step in. But I don't have to pay his fence. And I can go to another platform. That's my right too. And everyone says, oh, you're against free speech. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm against being on a platform that makes me feel bad. So he has the right, and all this notion around meta free speech, it's a little different because it controls so much in the media, but these are media companies, and they should be liable for slander or defamation, the same way traditional media companies are involved.

1:14:38I think we could solve a lot of this problem by just removing 230 protections for algorithmically elevated content. If you decide to elevate content beyond its organic reach, then you are making an editorial decision and you should be liable if that in fact is slanderous or defamatory. I think that's really fascinating as a way of handling it. And also we're living in a world where as of this year, some of the most phenomenal content you will read will be algorithmically generated. and some of the most compelling content. So this idea that Scott's talking about of should bots have free speech, it sounds like a kind of, you know, intellectual kind of pseudo -intellectual topic, but it's absolutely a very practical topic in the sense that bots now can generate conversations very easily and some of the, you know, you could spend all day talking to a bot and not know.

1:15:32It's funny this is, this subject has come up because in the last week, I've had a flurry of messages on WhatsApp from friends, actually two tweets yesterday, which you could probably see if you just searched my name. Because on X at the moment, there's multiple ads running that are fake articles with fake BBC headlines with my face in. So it says things like, the bank of England is suing Steve Bartlett. And this is running as a sponsored ad on X. And people are tweeting me these things. My friends, as every time he refreshes the feed, he sees a new sponsored ad of a fake article of me. And sometimes it's like, can't believe this happened to Steve and it's a BBC article.

1:16:07You click on it, you get scammed. I think it's a crypto scam. I don't want to click. I'll send the link to you guys so you can click on it for me. But I just, it really has, because that is a bot. There's multiple of them. Multiple accounts that have been spun out. They're all verified accounts. And it's AI generated imagery with a paid ad behind it. That's the bit that really gets me. I get people can post shit, but sponsoring, sponsoring it There's a new level of a new level of a like defamation. One of the big macro things I've been thinking a lot about that I haven't shared yet is just the amount of social networks that have emerged.

1:16:41In the last 10 years, there's been a 50 % increase so far in new social networks that have emerged. And we're seeing this splintering now of the rumbles, the blue skies, the threads. And it almost seems talking about echo chambers that social networks are becoming sort of political environments and you're choosing your social network now based on your politics. This doesn't seem like a net positive thing for society. No, I think we're living through an era of the fragmentation of our reality. You know, Scott's point about people behaving better in person is true. Although I would say there is the windscreen effect or the windshield effect, which is if you, someone cuts you up on traffic and you feel that there's some kind of physical separation between the two of you, most people behave slightly differently in that context than they would if they were sitting next to somebody face to face in the bar.

1:17:32So it's there's something about being physically present with other people that changes it, which is one of the reasons, you know, I know you have pretty much all you interviews face to face and we do as well because I generally speaking is very difficult to connect authentically with people. Obviously, we've managed to do it in the course of this conversation, but beyond that, it's difficult. And so, we're going to have to work on that. But the point I'm trying to make is, this isn't a political issue. It's not an ex -issue, it's not an Elon Musk issue, it's a technological issue. We're living through, probably already have lived through most of the digital revolution.

1:18:12And I used to, as a kid, love Isaac Asimov science fiction books. And one of the reasons I did enjoy reading them so much is it was a world in which there was an exploration of what does the creation of robots, which is what we're living through. Mean for morality. What does it mean for philosophy? What does it mean for humanity? What does it mean for how do we build rules in a world in which you have these machines that take every rule literally and suddenly you find that. you know, the desire to protect humanity results in the end of humanity. How do you, how do you navigate all of this? And that is what we're living through.

1:18:52We are also living through a period when our realities are being fragmented. And so we believe a very small set of things that other people like us somewhere, in a very different part of the world, as Daniel was saying earlier, also believe. And we now live in this, we don't live in England or in Scotland or in America. We live almost like in a world of people who think like us in the West. And then other people live right next door to us who live in a whole different world because they consume a whole different set of information. That is the reality. We can complain about it. That is not going to change.

1:19:35And the only thing I really want to raise where I disagree with Scott about this idea that Facebook and X etc are they are publishers and not platforms. I don't think you can apply the same media organization section to them. It just I don't think it's appropriate. They are platforms in which people publish information. The artificial amplification is a fair point. We need to deal with that. We need to deal with the bot problem. That's a very difficult one because one of the challenges is the only way to really deal that I can see with the bot problem is to get people to verify their identity online.

1:20:19That obviously has a lot of questions around that because once you start forcing people to give their identity over to some anonymous blob online, who's collecting that data, what are they doing with it? And, you know, if you don't like Elon Musk or if you don't like the previous Twitter regime, as I didn't, then the question for you is, well, you know, let's say right now I look at Twitter and I'm like, I'm happy to verify my identity. I'm happy to confirm who I am. Well, what if, you know, George Soros buys X of Elon at some point? Are you still happy that that information is being held? Are you still happy that the anonymous account you've now made confirmed?

1:20:59And what happens to the anonymous activist speaking about the Ayatollah's regime in Iran? What happens to them when they've had to verify their identity and the wrong person buys out platform or someone hacks it, et cetera? So it's a conversation that's not, if there were easy solutions on these issues, they would have been solved by now. This is a very difficult thing for humanity to navigate. And we're gonna have to find a way to do it and incrementally so. I just wanted to respond to that. I think your guilty of the same illusion of complexity that protects these companies from acting like actors such that they can do anything regardless of the damage to the commonwealth, add shareholder value.

1:21:39If you implemented, we have, first off, this notion that you don't want to give up your identity, trust me, they know everything about you, Constantine, already. And I could go get a ton of information on you from the dark web fairly easily with a credit card. So the notion that somehow we shouldn't have some sort of, you could have, we need age verification for social media. There's no reason anyone in the age of 16 should be on a social media platform. And regarding the civil rights activists, the women's right activists and needs an anonymity, you could create a number of accounts and use blockchain or some sort of third party anonymous to have a certain number of accounts that says, look, if you want an anonymous parody account.

1:22:22You want to make fun of people, fine. If you want an account talking about issues that you feel are sensitive from other markets, fine. We could absolutely figure that out. And then figure out, OK, this account is doing nothing. It has no base. It has no soul. It has no values. It has 72 followers. All it's doing is trying to start fights online. All it's doing is trying to make people feel shitty about Britain or shitty about America. And the reality is these companies use that illusion of complexity such that they can have more bots creating more fake clits, more Nissan ads and more shareholder value.

1:22:58I think there's a middle ground here. I think we could figure this out. I agree. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think some of the ideas that you're putting forward right or wrong, I don't know, but these are the conversations we should be having. How do we make sure? I mean, my son is two and a half years old. And if my wife has become a complete screen Nazi, so he's probably not going to get a phone until he's about 40. But I think your point about people shouldn't be on social media. Yes, people shouldn't be on social media until they're 16. Absolutely correct. What that's doing to the minds of...

1:23:34Well, or everybody, but particularly young people who are really susceptible to it, you're completely right. The verification dimension is difficult, as I say. We're going to have to hash this all out as humanity. We're just going to have to work this all out. How do we live in this new world that we now live in? It's going to take some time. And I hope it's not as bad as the last time the information space was revolutionized, which was the printing press. That caused about two centuries of religious war. Hopefully we can avoid that. And part of the way to do that is to create environments which are unsensitable where people can express different ideas.

1:24:10we can have these battles and eventually come to some sort of mutual understanding. I hope that happens. What I wanted to ask you all to really close out this conversation was, these conversations tend to be a bit of a reflection of what's in the news cycle, and what's in the news cycle tends to be a reflection of what people are clicking. And a lot of that's driven by fear and the narrative of the time, whether it's immigration or the Trump and all creation. But what is the big important idea that we're not talking about? What's the most important thing that we should be talking about that isn't getting enough attention right now as it relates to the future of the West?

1:24:46And that's a big broad question. I'll start with you Daniel. For me, it's the schooling system. I think the schooling system is not preparing people for a world that exists and that we're teaching. you know, we haven't grasped the fact that AI is going to be the biggest most disruptive technology in the lives of our children and that the jobs that we think they might be able to go into probably won't exist. We need to have a radical look at this idea that children should go to school with the same age groups or study a certain set of topics or that it should be topic based at all. we need to explore, you know, are there better models for the schooling system that prepare people for the world that we're going to be in?

1:25:34Our current schooling system goes back to the early 1800s. It was essentially based on a military schooling system in Prussia and that's kind of where it evolved from. I think what we need to do is think about what are the skills that our kids are going to need? I see too and I can only I don't feel like I can wrap my arms around the UK's issues, but in terms of the US political extremism, I would put it number two, you know, a negative 40 Celsius and Fahrenheit meat. And because of our electoral system, it's citizens united, people from the far left who are crazy and people from the far right who are crazy are just overrepresented.

1:26:11And they come together to meet on reckless spending, deficit spending, they come together to agree on anti -Semitism. And there's just too many people in the far left and the far right. And the people in the middle, it's minority role, they're just not represented. However, I think the biggest threat that people aren't talking about, and I've actually spent some time talking with the administration around this, or the former administration, I should say, is loneliness. And that is you have the deepest pocketed, most well -resourced companies and people in the world trying to convince people, especially young men, that they kind of a reasonable fact, similarly, of life on a screen with an algorithm.

1:26:45And I think they literally go crazy. I think they wake up in the obese and lonely and have no skills. We talked about this. I think young people, I say this jokingly, but have seriously, I think young people need to get out of the house more drink more and make a series of bad decisions and might pay off. I think we need, I think we need to, I think we need more sex. I think we need more people in, people in third spaces, I mean, no more church, more religious, more, more institutions, national service, were mammals and I worry that one in seven men doesn't have a single friend. One informant can't name a best friend.

1:27:20So this loneliness epidemic where people get into a bubble and start engaging into conspiracy theory not trusting each other, blaming women, blaming the nation, self -harm. I just I worry about you know when I say to young man I coach a lot of young men. Romantic comedies are two hours, not 15 minutes for a reason. This should is hard and it's worth it. But I worry that we're raising, like I said, this new species of a social asexual being called the young American male. It is obese, anxious and just a shitty citizen. Constantine, the most important thing in 2025 that's not getting enough attention.

1:27:59In the UK and in most of Europe, it's an issue that Daniel raised earlier, which is in the UK, our energy prices are four times what they are in the United States. That is an ideological decision. It's done because we're saving the planet. That's what we're being told. The reality is our contribution to global carbon emissions is we're responsible for 2 % of global carbon emissions in the world. Making British pensioners freeze to death every winter because they can't afford fuel bills is not the solution to climate change. And if you amplify that further, driving businesses out of business, making our economy uncompetitive, making Britain unable to generate wealth for itself and for its future is not the moral position.

1:28:47Net Zero, which is the impoverishment of our society for ideological reasons, has been positioned as the moral cause where we're saving the planet, we're ending climate change. We're not doing any of that. All we're doing is virtue signaling and making our fellow citizens suffer. So what we should be talking about is how do we make energy cheap again so that we can have a prosperous economy? And guess what? When people are prosperous, that's when they actually start being responsible about pollution, about throwing away things they don't need. And also, when you have money, that's when you can invest money in scientific research, which allows you to find cleaner, better forms of energy.

1:29:27That's what we should be doing. We should be making sure that we generate as much wealth for our fellow citizens as possible because a lot of people are struggling. And I think it's deeply, deeply immoral to impoverish already poor pensioners in this country and to prevent businesses from hiring people and giving them jobs and opportunities, including the young men that Scott is talking about, because we are saving the planet and we're trying to keep little grettes happy. We're not doing any of that. We're not successful in that. We should stop pretending and we should do what Donald Trump said he plans to do, which is drill baby drill.

1:30:04We should be exploring and exploiting all the energy reserves we have in this country. In order to create clean energy and better forms of energy for the future, as well as to improve the well -being of our fellow citizens, that's what we should be talking about a hell of a lot more than we are. You need cheap energy, you're right. It's what I would argue. I think it's going to be liquid natural gas and nuclear. We haven't talked about AI. AI requires 10 times the energy at the AI query as a Google query. The choke point is energy. I would argue in the US, I think we benefit more from, as opposed to drill baby drill, build baby build.

1:30:40I think young people have seen housing prices just go crazy. There's a psychological benefit to household formation, forced savings. So I don't, I'm going to take your word because you're a very smart guy that Britain and has implemented a series of policies that have, that energy stat you rolled out was incredible. But in the US, like I said, we're, I don't wanna say we're drowning in oil. We've, we've, there were more drilling permits issued under Biden than the previous Trump admitted. I mean, just a call by an anti -energy or that somehow we're have this massively overinflated energy prices, it's just not, that hasn't happened in the US.

1:31:23I would like we need we need more homes in the US and in the UK too and Stephen Let me just before you wrap up fill the stats out a little bit more Obviously everyone understands that geopolitically wearing a pretty tense time and those conflicts happening Britain is in a position now where we would struggle You got to remember British history Britain is Britannia rules the waves right the way that Britain has become a great nation throughout histories by having a powerfully We would struggle to build warships now because we've closed down all our steelworks because we're green Right, it's insanity and on every other issue to do with with energy and industry We have basically deliberately moved our production facilities to other countries.

1:32:09Okay, great idea globalization makes things cheaper ship things But we're wonderful. Okay. What happened during COVID? What happened when suddenly the entire chains of production weren't quite operating the way that they normally do? Oh, China is suddenly hoarding all the masks. Interesting. So what do you think is going to happen when there's a war? Or they're just going to keep shipping the steel to us to make the battleships and the warplanes that we need to fight them? That's what you think is going to happen. This whole thing, this whole agenda is ideological insanity. And what Ed Miliband is about to do to this country when it comes to this issue needs to talk about way more, and it is about economic prosperity.

1:32:47It is about housing, because one of the reasons we don't build as much housing as we need to is, again, building housing produces emissions. And we don't want to be, we don't want to be no green, so that's why people in their 30s and 40s and how living in flat shares for four people, right? We have got to let go of this obsession with Ned Zero. We have got to build, we have got to drill, we have got to produce energy, and we have got to stop thinking the demoral thing to do is to make up poor citizens suffer in order that we feel good about saving the planet, which we're not even remotely saving by doing this.

1:33:23Guys, thank you so much for all of your perspectives. One of the things I I realize as you guys are talking is that you're all fathers and you're all fathers of boys, although you're fathers of boys at different ages. So I wanted to just give you all 30 seconds if you could and this is maybe me asking for myself for this advice but based on everything that's happening in the world which can feel incredibly confusing especially to young people while we're getting a lot of our information from different echo chambers. What is the advice that you would all give to your young boys that would best prepare them for the future in the the next couple of years starting with you Dan.

1:34:00Yeah so I've got a six year old daughter, a seven -year -old son and a 10 -year -old son. It's an incredibly confusing time because preparing them for a world that's fast -changing is difficult. We're taking the approach of a lot of general knowledge across a lot of things so that you can use AI to run deep in different topics. We're encouraging the kids to interact with supervised AI conversations and letting them know that that technology is available. We're also just focusing on some manual skills, like how to fix a boiler and how to, you know, how to sort through some wood and, you know, those kind of things.

1:34:40And also, we're doing things like acting classes, being up on a stage and performing. So all of those kind of typical things, but to be honest, it is a point of anxiety in in my life just thinking about what the world looks like for 10 or 15 years from now that they're going to be going into. So if you get clear answers on this, I'm really open to learning. For me, my son is two and a half, so it's a little bit early for this pep talk, but my message to him when he's old enough to hear it is going to be this. Your grandfather, father, your great -grandfather, my grandfather, was taken as a slave laborer from Soviet Ukraine to Nazi Germany.

1:35:28Your great -grandfather was born, your great -grandmother, rather, was born in the Soviet gulag. Your great -grandmother lived through the German occupation and is now living through Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine. You are not living in the worst time ever. You are surrounded by pussies if you are a man and if you do your job and if you learn the skills that you need to do and if you pursue the things that you want to do with your life to the best of your ability, if you believe in yourself, if you believe that you're talented, if you actually achieve the things that you say your mind to, there's never been a better time in the history of humanity.

1:36:04Then now, you're surrounded mostly by people who feel sorry for themselves. If you're not one of them, you're going to clean up. Young women are looking for a young man like you who's actually going to stand up for himself, who's actually going to go out there and achieve and be confident. Be that and you're going to clean up when it comes to finding the right partner for yourself. You're going to clean up when it comes to making money. You're going to clean up when it comes to your career. You're going to clean up on every front because the bar has never been lower. The bar has never been lower.

1:36:34So just go out and be a man and life is going to be great. I'm older. I have 14 and 17 old boys and my observation is you can't tell them anything. The best you can do is you can try and model behavior for them. So I'm trying to be really kind to their mother. I'm trying to show them that, you know, if you're serious about having a good family, you gotta be a generous loving partner. I'm trying to be in great physical shape, in which it's getting harder and harder. I'm trying to be aggressive around them in terms of business and trying to be kind. And what I do, I do talk to them about the concept of surplus value.

1:37:17I'm like, you're takers right now. You know, the UK school system, which is amazing, is investing a lot in you, and you're giving almost nothing back. I mean, your mother loving you a lot more than you're loving us. You're just taking resources everywhere. You're a net negative. And your cross -namanhood is in sex or some religious ceremony. of your cross -naman hood is when you are start creating surplus value, you're loving more people than you're absorbing, you're listening to more complaints and you are complaining, you're creating more revenue than you're absorbing. That's the notion it's surplus value and I have this trick called what a man does.

1:37:55I've been doing this when there are kids and my guest show up, a man goes and gets their luggage and puts it in their room. A man constantly scanning the table for empty water glasses. And I mean, one of the most I ever had was when my six -year -old boy who was all like 30 pounds, got up and went over to Stragantic Pitcher of Water at this table and started trying to pour other people's water and everyone had no idea what was going on here. You know, I do these things called what a man does. A man goes up to a man asks a woman out for coffee. A man pays for women. I'm a sexist that way. I still have told my man, my son gave me this wrap on, they had your so established, and I'm like, do you everyone have sex?

1:38:39I'm like, then you need to pay. I mean, that's the bottom line. Anyways, but what I would say is I'm trying to model, I'm trying to model good behavior or be a good role model, but I agree with Constantine and Dina. I think every day they have more potential to lead the most amazing life in history. I'm not an analyst, I'm not a catastrophe, I think are big problems, but given the blessings of the sun's born to these men and future, you know, future sons of the UFC, then Jesus, it's good to be them. There's just, they have no excuse. They should, they should, they should rock on. They should have a wonderful life.

1:39:20Constantine Scott Daniel, thank you so much for taking the time. I sort of short notice to talk about all these subjects. It's incredibly wide -ranging conversation and you'll bring such an interesting hilarious nuance perspective to these issues. And I'm glad that we can have these conversations and disagree in a respectful way. I hopefully clarifies a lot of the confusion that I experience and a lot of people are experiencing at the moment. So thank you to all of you. I'm going to link to all of your work on the screen. I know Scott, you've got a book coming on masculinity, which we're all very, very excited about.

1:39:47We've been waiting it's long overdue. Please hurry up. Constantine, you've got an incredible podcast with Trigonometry, which I'm going to link on the screen. And I suggest everybody goes and listens to and subscribes to if they're looking for more of this stuff. And Daniel, you've just been on my show already, but you're endless amount of books. And I think the best place to get more from you is your website, of course. The Daniel Priestly website, where you can find all of your books and all of your work and everything you're doing there. Thank you, everybody. Really, really appreciative. And incredibly grateful for taking part in our first little experiment of this kind.

1:40:15So yeah, thank you.

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