Moment 164: AVOID These 3 Phone Habits That Are Hurting Your Brain! The Mental Health Doctor: Dr Aditi Nerurkar

31 May 2024 · 14 min

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Moment 164 - AVOID These 3 Phone Habits That Are Hurting Your Brain! The Mental Health Doctor: Dr. Aditi Nerurkar

Episode Overview In this episode, Dr. Aditi Nerurkar, a renowned expert in stress, discusses the concept of 'Popcorn Brain' and its impact on mental health due to excessive smartphone and social media use. She provides insights into how modern life is dominated by constant distractions and offers strategies to create healthier digital habits.

Key Concepts and Discussions

Popcorn Brain

  • Definition: A biological phenomenon where the brain's circuitry becomes overstimulated due to excessive online activity, coined by Dr. Levy.
  • Characteristics:
  • The sensation of 'popcorning' mimics overstimulation.
  • Constant information stream hampers the brain's ability to rest.
  • Differs from internet addiction, which severely affects life functionality.
  • Ubiquitous in modern life, representing constant distraction.

Modern Stress and Digital Boundaries

  • Stress and the Amygdala:
  • Stress increases the likelihood of developing Popcorn Brain.
  • The amygdala's role in survival instincts prompts incessant scrolling for perceived safety.
  • Modern life’s stressors, such as continuous bad news, exacerbate this behavior.
  • Digital Boundaries:
  • Importance of setting boundaries with phone usage, similar to personal relationships.
  • Checking phones 2,617 times a day is average and problematic.
  • Need for self-regulation and creating mental space.

Strategies to Combat Popcorn Brain

  • Media Diet:
  • Implement time limits for consuming news, especially negative content.
  • Geographical limits: Keep phones out of reach, especially at night.
  • Logistical limits: Establish digital boundaries for healthier phone relationships.

Psychological and Societal Impact

  • Trauma and Doomscrolling:
  • Continuous exposure to graphic content increases the risk of PTSD.
  • Even without direct trauma, viewing such content causes indirect trauma.
  • Balance between staying informed and protecting mental health is crucial.
  • Role of Journalism:
  • Essential for an informed democracy but needs balance to avoid mental health decline.
  • Advocates for informed citizenship with controlled media consumption.

Conclusion Dr. Aditi Nerurkar emphasizes the importance of understanding and mitigating the impact of 'Popcorn Brain' by fostering healthier relationships with our digital devices. Creating personal digital boundaries can significantly improve mental health and reduce the stress associated with modern life.

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  • Listen to the full episode: [Apple Podcast](https://g2ul0.app.link/wSPySPjv1Jb) | [Spotify](https://g2ul0.app.link/neGcOqnv1Jb)
  • Watch on YouTube: [The Diary Of A CEO Videos](https://www.youtube.com/c/%20TheDiaryOfACEO/videos)
  • Dr. Aditi Nerurkar: [Website](https://www.draditi.com/)

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1:29If I wanted to be really, really stressed and really, really anxious, right? And I want it maybe a bit thrown some depression. If I wanted stress and anxiety, how should I live? That's a great question. Get on your phone. Make sure it's on high brightness and scroll through every social media platform, every news platform, watch graphic content of videos of horrible, terrible things happening in the world. At midnight. Keep doing that. Off and on until 4, 5 a .m. Your cortisol spike usually happens around 6 a .m. Give or take for people that cortisol spike is a natural thing that happens. It's part of your circadian rhythm.

2:15It's what prompts you to get up out of bed. Of course, make sure that you are, you know, you check your phone right away, right when you get up out of bed and continue scrolling. This is a really fun exercise of what not to do rather than what to do. It doesn't always happen. It won't be one day because you do have some reserves. But if you did this for one month, I would say instead of like one day. I'm going to say it for one month. Yeah, 30 days. 30 day plan to maximize anxiety and stress. I want to talk about social media. And in your book, you use this term popcorn brain, which I for a second, when I read what popcorn brain meant, started to think maybe I now have a popcorn brain.

3:01What is a popcorn brain? Many people, most people have popcorn brain. Popcorn brain is a biological phenomenon, a real biological phenomenon coined by a man named Dr. Levy, a psychologist. And it is essentially your brain circuitry starting to pop based on over stimulation. So it's not like your brain is actually popping, but it's that sensation of popcorning because of spending too much time online. It is hard to disengage from what's happening online because there's a constant information stream. And it is difficult to live fully offline where life moves at a decidedly slower pace. Popcorn brain is an affliction that nearly every single person has right now.

3:48Think about what you do when you're waiting in line at the grocery store. You're not just like letting your brain wander, pondering things. You are on your phone. What are you doing at the bank on your phone at a car wash, at a traffic light, pedestrians walking across the street? They're not looking up at the light. In fact, it's like one of the hazards, a public health hazard of, you know, pedestrians having near miss accidents because they're looking down on your phone. I see it in Boston all the time. A busy street and people are looking at their phone. Most people listening now will be like on a tube somewhere on a train on a plane looking at their phone.

4:20Well, they're listening to this, but we rarely give our brains a moment of rest. So popcorn brain is different. A lot of people will ask me, is popcorn brain internet addiction? No. Internet addiction is a real, it's called internet addiction disorder. It's a DSM4 criteria. And it means that's our diagnostic criteria in medicine. And it's a real disorder, but what really defines internet addiction and popcorn brain is that internet addiction interferes with your life where you're unable to do certain things. Popcorn brain on the other hand is ubiquitous. It's everywhere. It is what defines modern life.

5:03Those two are very different things. And when we are feeling a sense of stress, we are especially prone to popcorn brain. Why? Because when we feel stress, we talked about the amygdala, right? Like that part of our brain that is focused on survival and self preservation. Back evolutionarily when we were all cave people, there was a night watch person. And that person would sit by the fire, the tribe would sleep, and that person would scan for danger to keep the tribe safe. In modern times, we have all become that night watch person. And we scroll incessantly when we feel a sense of stress because it is our primal urge.

5:48It is the way our amygdala feels a sense of safety because we are scanning for danger. We are no longer in a tribe or not cave people anymore. So what do we do? We scroll. That is how we are scanning for danger, especially when we are feeling stressed. In recent times, there has been a lot of bad news. In fact, it feels like the onslaught of bad news, one thing after another way. It's a climate disaster or a conflict in a certain part of the world, or something or the other is always happening now. The information stream, it is rapid and unprecedented. And so we are constantly scrolling and scanning for danger.

6:22And it is that primal urge to scroll. So how do we, the goal is really not to limit our social media use or media use because we know studies have shown that it is not about abstinence. Because that actually doesn't have an impact, a positive impact on our mental health or our well -being. But what does have an impact on our mental health and well -being is decreasing our reliance to our phones. You know, most of us check our phones 2 ,600 times a day. That is a statistic. 2 ,617 times a day is the average number of times a person looks at their phone. Think about that, right? The other thing you want to think about is when you're thinking about like, huh.

7:07Do I have a reliance on my phone? It's like the goal here is to reconsider your relationship with your phone. It is not about abstinence. We're not trying to become digital monks here. It's about creating digital boundaries. In every relationship in your life, you have boundaries. You have a boundary with your partner, with your children, with your colleagues, because relationships need boundaries, right, to thrive. Why don't we have a boundary when it comes to the relationship we have with our phone? There is no boundary. It is simply porous. We check in the morning, we check at night. What's the first thing you do when you wake up before your second eye is even open?

7:48You are scrolling. Studies show that 62 % of people check their phones within 15 minutes of waking up and about 50 % check them in the middle of the night. I'm guilty of this. Like, I'm not going to pretend I'm in some stint here. I'm that person. I'm on the upper end of that scale. I'm glued to my phone. Glue to my phone. And you know what? When I'm stressed, I'm even more glued to it. So, we talked about popcorn brain. And that's what happens when we spend too much time on our phone. There is also this concept of brain drain. What happens to us in our brain power even when our phone is close by but not in use because of the sheer potential for distraction.

8:31So our phones are really powerful. They are not benign devices. One antidote to popcorn brain and two brain drain is a media diet. And there are really three ways that you can instill this media diet into your life to help with your primal urge to scroll. The first is time limits 20 minutes a day and set a timer if you have to for engaging and consuming bad news. The second is geographical limits during the day. Keep your phone 10 feet away from your workstation if you can. Out of reach out of arms reach and at night off your nightstand. Keeping your phone off your nightstand could be the biggest game changer because in the morning when you wake up, like most people checking their phone, instead you aren't just scrolling, you're getting up, maybe brushing your teeth using the bathroom.

9:23And then you can engage with technology. But that one small shift could be key and the third is to set some logistical limits. So creating some sort of boundary in a digital boundary could make all of the difference in your relationship with your phone thereby improving your stress and mental health. There's a lot going on in the world right now. There's a lot of bad news. There is wars. There is, I mean, in the whole sort of two decades that I've been on the internet, social media, I have never lived through a moment. Maybe the pandemic was somewhat similar, but I think this is maybe even more extreme.

9:58Where I go on my Instagram and I see videos and photos of dead babies. Not that far away from where we are in Europe relatively. And there's a sort of trauma involved in that. So much so that the other day I walked into my kitchen and my partner was sat there and she's just crying. And she's looking at her phone and she's crying. And I put some things on her phone just to make sure that she wouldn't accidentally stumble across those things again. And then the next day we had the same situation happen where she was in the kitchen and she was very, very upset. She was again tears coming down her face.

10:37She's like struggling with it for multiple days in a row. And it just made me think that's an extreme example. But yeah, I mean like... It's not an extreme example. I had the same thing happen to me. I know all the science and yet I was also weeping. And I think many people are feeling exactly like your girlfriend. And the science supports this. You know, we're experiencing in many ways. It's like the cycle of trauma and a researcher who I spoke to from my book Roxanne Silver, who is a psychologist in California, has shown through multiple studies that your risk of PTSD increases when you consume graphic images, even if the thing that you're consuming is happening thousands of miles away.

11:25Like the war. Like any conflict, any climate disaster, anything. If you start consuming graphic images and videos, you increase your risk of PTSD. Your own personal risk, even though you have not had any direct trauma. Because it's indirect trauma that you're seeing. And so it's a cycle. The more videos you consume or the more graphic content you consume, your amygdala gets fired. Your primal urge to scroll starts going haywire and then you scroll some more. And then you scroll some more because you don't feel safe. You know, so this is a common occurrence. It is not uncommon. It is your biology working as it should because it is your biology of stress and clickbait and doom scrolling are both powered by the same biology that governs the fight or flight response.

12:12And there is actual data to show that it increases your risk of PTSD and increases your risk of getting mental health conditions later in life. So years later, when I think about all the things that are going on in the world, I'm conflicted, right? Because you can't ignore those things. But at the same time, those things are giving you PTSD. That's right. Well, the key is, and I work in journalism. I'm a medical correspondent. It's not about censorship. Being an informed citizen is critical at all times, especially now. You have to be an informed citizen, but you have to create some digital boundaries so you're protecting your sanity and protecting your mental health.

12:54There are also other ways that you can get involved by supporting various causes and donating and taking action. We know that that is also very helpful. But you want to limit your engagement with graphic content. You can also limit your engagement with looking at videos and looking at images and instead read about it, right? Like follow certain accounts that you trust and read about what's happening in the world. It is not about censorship because the news and journalism, and I am speaking from the perspective of being a journalist or correspondent, it's vital. It's vital to democracy. It's vital to functioning society.

13:34But there has to be a line between being an informed citizen and protecting our mental health and our sanity. And understanding that if you are having difficulty sleeping, if you notice any alarm signs like mood disorders, if you're having an uptick in anxiety, depressive thoughts, thoughts of hurting yourself, hurting others, that you should seek counseling and seek medical attention. Because these are not benign thoughts like you, you know, it's very easy to say, oh, but it's happening far away. I shouldn't be feeling like this. Don't should yourself, right? Instead, seek the help because this data shows that you are at risk.

14:10If you are over consuming, there is a fine line between consuming and overconsuming the news at any time, especially now, but really at any time.

14:23Q1 is often when businesses start implementing new systems and processes in hopes of creating efficiencies for the year ahead. And over the course of my career, I've learnt just how crucial having the right systems in places, one which has helped me across many of my investments is net suite. They're also a sponsor of this podcast. Net suite is the number one cloud financial system through their streamlined platform. You'll find all of your accounting financial management inventory and HR in one place. Their technology has been a real game changer, especially for my team at Flight Studio. As over the last year, we've moved out of startup mode and into scale at mode.

14:57We no longer have to juggle multiple systems and having everything together has reduced the number of manual tasks and errors. Over 41 ,000 businesses have chosen to future proof their business with net suite. So if you'd like to learn how it can help your business, head to netsweep .com slash Bartlett and free download the CFO's guide to AI and machine learning. That's netsweep .com slash Bartlett.

From the publisher

In this moment, the world renowned expert in stress, Dr Aditi Nerurkar discusses how the majority of people in the modern world suffer from ‘Popcorn Brain’. According to Dr Aditi ‘Popcorn Brain’ comes from our excessive use of smartphones and social media. This is a real biological phenomenon where your brain circuitry ‘pops’ due to overstimulation and spending too much time online. Your brain never really gets a moment of rest, as being online means it it receives a nonstop stream of information. ‘Popcorn Brain’ is different to the psychological disorder that is internet addiction, as internet addiction seriously affects your ability to live your life, whereas Popcorn Brain defines modern life with everyone being constantly distracted. One of the ways that you can overcome ‘Popcorn Brain’ and improve our mental health is by reducing your reliance on your phone, making sure that you create healthy digital boundaries, so that you give yourself the mental space to live your life.

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