Ronda Rousey (Greatest Women's Fighter Ever): The Truth Behind My Fighting, I Kept This A Secret My Entire Career, WWE Is A Mess & Vince McMahon Is Still Running It!

24:35I always tried to like cover up my arms how muscular it was, which is one reason why when I got older that trying to like fight that's that idea that being muscular was masculine was something that became important to me because that, you know, if you were teenage girl in the early 2000s, it was a pretty unhealthy standard that was presented to us. So, yeah, I didn't fit the very narrow scope of what was considered attractive at that time. And, and now it's like considered like really cool for, you know, women should have muscles now all the models have like stomach definition and stuff like that and like are doing boxing and all this stuff and want to look tone to.

25:18But that wasn't the case back and that wasn't the case back then. That was something that I got used for a lot. Well, 18 you leave home and you go off to, you leave him as you say, because you felt like you wanted to have some control over your life. And I think you were on route to the Olympics at this point, you were thinking about going to the Olympics at 21 years old, you actually competed in the Beijing Olympics and were the first American women to get an Olympic medal. And then what I found really shocking is that you made $6 ,000 from from winning that medal at the Olympics. Yeah, after I got taxed on it, it's $10 ,000 and I taxed on it, actually bitched about it so much in the media when I was doing them a made that they got rid of that tax, but still you don't get $10 ,000.

26:05Is there like a bit of a through line in your story that starts very young about this idea of the importance of validation and respect from other people? This kind of bit of a chip on your shoulder that was driving you. Yeah, I think it started out as something that drove me and then it ended up being something that held me back that I had to kind of shake myself from. But, you know, I also benefited greatly from it. So I'm not saying I don't get anything, but I know that it wasn't like a sustainable model for me to be happy and the longer run. Because I spoke to Tim Grover who trained LeBron and Kobe and he said the same thing to me said, you know, we're talking about Kobe and all those years training him to be a champion that our dark side and our light side are interconnected when he's talking about our dark side, he's basically saying like the trauma, the difficult things about us, the things that we would probably keep in the shadow if we could.

26:57They end up creating the greatness that we see on our screens and it's like you can't separate out the two you can't just have this person and not this person unfortunately, but like he makes the case to me that we all have a dark side and unfortunately it's as I say it's responsible for our light side now I see that throughout your story this sort of journey to understanding that part of you and as you say in your book like liberating yourself from it. Which is really interesting because I feel like I've been trying to do the same thing in my life I've been trying to take back the control of some of it because as you said there it can lead you to the top of the mountain and then it can sometimes bring you down the other side or it can make you miserable at the top of the mountain.

27:40I think I had to get to the top of several mountains to realize that like the mountain climbing wasn't really going to be what made me happy and I had this idea that if I like if I collected or hoarded achievements at somehow while Sunday they would all add up to happiness that I would be able to like I did this thing so now I could be happy forever like my idea was if I'm like the first American to win the Olympics in judo then I'll be happy for the rest of my life and it's not. It didn't work like that like I could get achieved these great things and it would make me happy for a time but your life goes on past that and so I kind of had to figure out after hoarding all these bucket list experiences that I would actually end up just forgetting at times like someone had to remind me the other day remember when you flew with a thunderbirds like yeah.

28:35And then they didn't equate to the actual happiness and I had to I thought that if I like could make my past into something that I I done all these great things that they would it would dictate my future but I had to kind of figure out that like making myself happy with every day that I'm that I'm living individually is what I needed to do and there's no amount of accomplishments that you can like add to you know your trophy shelf that are going to. So I can't go to a Quate and being happy forever in the future just this impossible. It sounds like you were living with a bit of a secret throughout your sort of early MMA career and the fact that you had what appeared to be a bit of a concussion based brain injury of sorts because in your book you talk about how you realize that in inspiring if someone hit you pretty hard in the head you end up seeing stars.

29:27Yeah, I mean I people didn't really know about CTE back when I was doing judo and how get concussions all the time and just be told that you know I I had heard so I have photo vision I would say it like stuff like that and they'd be like just stopping a pussy in like keep trading and so I would get you know dozens dozens of concussions and never be allowed to stop and I would have to keep trading through them and the system. This symptoms would persist for weeks so the point that I was experiencing concussion symptoms more often than I wasn't for a 10 year judo career. I mean that's the kind of thing that like you know leads to CTE all these football players that we're dealing with were having concussions repeatedly and not being allowed to rest.

30:18And so by the time I got into MMA like this is the kind of injury that accumulates over time you don't you know it doesn't go away every time you get a concussion it's easier to get another one. And so by the time I got into MMA I it was really easy for me to get concussion symptoms and I'd I'd rested for a couple years you know so I first it wasn't so bad but it just just got a lot of fun. It just got worse and worse and worse with time even if I'm winning a fight and you know 14 seconds and the other person doesn't touch me there's 50 rounds of sparring that went into that training camp and you're wearing like a head gear and gloves which are meant to protect you cosmetically but these gloves are 14 ounces and you're wearing this head gear solar your brain is you know suspended in fluid the larger the thing is like if the 14 ounces it's easier actually to give you a concussion when you're sparring.

31:17And it's the kind of thing that I didn't want to like say anything about you know I didn't want I didn't want to address it myself or any kind of weakness in myself and I just kept telling myself that I you know I just have to be perfect and not allow these people to touch me at the create this fighting style that's so efficient. I don't take any damage and you got to a point where I fought Sarah with man and she barely tapped me and I obviously had a concussion afterward I couldn't bear to look at the lights I had to have everyone turn the lights off and I was looking for a way out you know cos I know I couldn't sustain that forever but yeah it's got to it got the point or if I got like tapped at all.

32:02I was like you know instead of the point says Stephanie McMahon slapped me and gave me a concussion you know and the you know a woman and that has never been a fighter in her life and even you know it's past her slapping prime she can slap me across the face and give me a concussion you know I shouldn't be fighting anymore. Did you keep this a secret? I had to keep it a secret from everybody my coach is Dana even like myself I just didn't want to face face up to it I just thought that I could keep it going forever and so that like I think was the most frustrating thing to me though like in my I first lost I got tapped in the beginning and I'd fallen down the stairs a week or so like maybe a week or so before that knock myself out falling down the stairs at my house.

32:54And then didn't say anything went to the fight anyway had a horrible way cut had the wrong mouth guard with which didn't have the protection the back of the bottom teeth. So the first time she taps me my teeth get knocked loose and I'm out on my feet like when I say out on my feet it means that like like I have no I have no death perception perception basically and I'm at a very limited capacity of what my brain can. The information that it could give me and so I knew that if she knew that I was hurt I wouldn't be able to defend myself and so I had to keep coming forward without knowing how far away she was and not being fully you know hold of my facilities just to keep the fight going hoping that I would recover but I just couldn't and so I think that that's one of the things that.

33:49I really dug like dug at me for so long that so many people were like saying like over on his game plan was bad or whatever this and like they didn't know that like I wasn't like present I was like just trying to survive I couldn't see how far away she was I. It wasn't like that was my game plan or anything like that I was like completely disabled and when I tried to fight again and I was like okay I can give myself a break and I'll make sure the mouth guards perfect to this time not going to knock myself out right before the fight and all those things and the same thing I just got tapped and I was I was out you know even if I was out on my feet I was out.

34:32So I just like just didn't have the hardware to continue fighting a lot of people will say like oh you're fucking quitter you're this or that on and it's really difficult because I never had been more skilled as a fighter I'd never been better in my life but I just you know I just neurologically wasn't capable of continuing it to fight at that level and I couldn't say anything about it then because I wanted to go do pro wrestling and they already have their own controversy they they had a deal with with the. Wrestling is having you know CTE and all kinds of damage from concussions and so such a volatile subject that I just I couldn't say anything about it and I couldn't say anything about it leading into my my my last fight because then I'd be basically telling the other person that you know that putting a target on my head literally so I just had to stay silent about it for years and let people make their their own assumptions about me and I.

35:30Now it was tough because like in some ways I've never been better as a fighter I've never had a better grasp of everything that I ever had I'd never been faster stronger everything else but you know. You only have so many hits you can take it unfortunately I took the vast majority of them as a kid doing you don't. I want to make sure I completely understand the context of the. What it's like to get a concussion and to live with the concussion that ends up compounding to make it even more sensitive you you take those big hits when you're younger they they ask you to fight through the concussion by the time you're in the UFC you've developed this incredible style where you basically get people out of their instantly I mean in the leading up to your fight with Amanda Holmes I think I remember commentator saying at the time that you'd knocked or you'd submitted everyone within sort of 30 seconds of the fight starting.

36:23So your style had kind of adapted to become I'm going to get this person out of there immediately that yeah that was an accident that was the goal that was the goal the goal was I had to be able to finish the person off immediately because that was the only way that I could fight is to not take any damage. Because if they hit you in the head at that point there was a risk that you would you get a concussion and you were aware of that risk but your coaches weren't. No. What any of your coaches are aware of it. No. Was Edmund to wear of it. You're struggling. I didn't tell anybody. I didn't. It was one of those things I just didn't want to like face up to that to having any weakness in myself and also like like Evan would have made me stop.

37:07I didn't want to stop. Yeah, I didn't want anyone to be making that decision for me. I didn't want to tell the company that I was having neurological symptoms. Because then they went let me continue to fight. I didn't want those decisions to be taken out of my hands. In your book you talk about the relationship you had with Edmund and it wasn't always great in terms of his approach to coaching. You talk about how he would physically strike you during training but more, potentially even more severely he would emotionally abuse you during training. I mean, honestly, I can't think of single coach that I had like a great like a great relationship with.

37:49This is like a lot of the coaches were of that like Bela Corolley kind of generation of like they thought that being abusive to the athletes is what gave them the best results. And that was kind of what was like invoked at the time. So and like that as an athlete, you're just kind of like, all right, well, this is what I have to deal with in order to be the best. And especially with like these, these sports where you have no other choice like this is the national team coach and you have to get their approval and put other there shit to be able to fight at this level. And so like Edmund was, I think not as bad as previous coaches.

38:39So that's why I put up with a lot because I felt like I at least had to say that I could, I could talk back. The other coaches would just, you know, like little Jimmy, my first coach literally like just located my jaw is I was a little kid. I threw him once in front of everybody and and laughed because I thought I was awesome. And he threw me on the benches on top of the table at everybody else's feet in front of all these people. And you know, big Jim had like grabbed me by the throat before to like drive his point home that women can't defend themselves. And so this is like behavior that I'd been conditioned to tolerate.

39:15Since I was like a little girl and Edmund was of that same like Eastern European kind of like school of thought of like you have to be like really tough. And in order to bring the best out of people and. What does that do to your emotions though? Because we develop, you know, at the age when most of us are developing our emotions, you're having your suppressed and you're being made into this really quote unquote tough person. I think it kind of taught me from a young age to just like. How did it diffuse like coaches that were like getting out of hand and not because if I stood up for myself, it would just make it worse.

39:59And so it just kind of like taught me to like, okay, I got to like get this person to good mood all the time. We're at the like butter them up or after like strategically find my way to like out out of being berated or something like that. And so I think it's not so much one individual that's a huge problem. I think the whole system is the problem and that it really reinforces these like in just power and balances that are. And never really taken an advantage of that all these coaches have free reign of their little their little fiefdoms and. The lot of these athletes don't have any other option.

40:41And so like I don't see how. Like in school, you can have like a teacher. Someone comes in to watch the teacher teach to grade them on their teaching like nobody does this for coaching. And you know, so I would hear these stories about like these sumo coaches that like would kill their athletes training them. And I'd be like, yeah, you know, I could see how that gonna happen. And it's just it's it's not one person. It's not one sport. It's everywhere. And there's like. I can't say that I have all the answers for it, but I can say that like coaching in general creates a really like unhealthy power like in balance.

41:20That what I was able to take my relationship with my coach Edwin and take it from off the rails back on track is. To have very distinct boundaries, you know, a lot of times your coaches. Someone that you're, you know, it's tough on you, but they're also like they care about you. They're a parent. They're a brother. They're they're coached too. But a lot of times it it becomes like an overbearing failing member and a coach and you can't be both. That's why my mom didn't want to beat my coach. She didn't want to have to beat my mom and my coach because being both of those at the same time is inevitably unhealthy.

42:02And when we put boundaries in place of like, okay, this is what your job is and you do not do anything outside of that. Then, you know, training was better than ever. A relationship was better than ever. But I think like a lot of these lines and these boundaries good blurred and they need to be very, you know, very defined in order for it to work out. And how were those lines blurred with your coach? Just just he was crossing them in terms of the things he was able to say and do. Yeah, I mean a lot of it was like, you just wanted to know where I was all the time. And like, I needed to be constantly available and stuff like that.

42:47And we're also would like end up turning into like a big argument or something like that. And I would just end up just trying to like do anything I could to not get an argument.

43:00I had to like make a rule at one point. I was like, you're not allowed to FaceTime me because I don't want you to just FaceTime me and know where I am at all times and what I'm doing. Because like, it's my fucking business. It's my privacy and it was just he was always trying to push that boundary. That was always pushing back and stuff like that. And but I was like, I don't know. A lot of times I was like, I'm like, I just want to train. But like, I don't, I would be just trying to like play Kate him because if I like just stop talking to him in an argument, then it would end up leaking into training the next day.

43:34And so it just became like really like taxing of my energy in general. But like, I mean, I can't really think of a single like coach relationship that I had that was like perfect. But it worked, you know? That's the one problem that I'd always had like debating. I'm like, well, it's working. I'm getting better. And so you would just put up with it because there was no perfect option out there. You said at the very start that you were very, very close to your father. And then when your father passed these other men that almost take on someone could like into a fatherly role or all coaches. Yeah.

44:11Yeah. No, I mean, they were all like what was in in Kill Bill? They were talking about a dead Bill lost his father early. So he collected them. None of them was because they were original. But yeah, I think that that constant need for validation from a father figure was something that I was constantly pursuing. But you know, that philosophy of coaching of, you know, you see like the Russian figure skaters, the gymnast that never smiled because they've been like beaten into iron. That was basically the philosophy of all the coaches that I had. They would see someone like Bella Corolley and be like, oh my god, like he was their idol.

44:56And so they're all trying to like, and you like that. Beaten the emotion out of you. This is something that I've always wondered about you because you you've always had a steely exterior, you know? No, you have, especially in the fight in the UFC days. I watch some of your clips to remind myself of your fighting days before this. And you know, with that face that are that facing just an interview around that time and so on. And this is why I was the question about emotion and how, as because you got into this at such a young age, and you're dealing with these men who call you, you know, you're lacking discipline.

45:30If you miss weight and all of these kinds of things, you go through that the loss of your father, the unprocessed grief. I'm wondering what happens to Ronda Rousey's relationship with her own emotions. I mean, I was always really emotional actually as a fighter. I would cry on the mat all the time, all the time. I cried on the mat like every practice for years straight. Now you yelled at for crying. Get yelled at for crying. I yelled at for crying. So I cried and then I would cry because I was crying. And I would cry because I was being yelled at for crying. And yeah, I just, but it wouldn't be because something hurt because, you know, something I was frustrated by something.

46:05I couldn't, I got thrown or I couldn't make something work that I was trying to make work and I would cry out of frustration. And my mom said I had a turn out where it was full double elimination. So I ended up winning the tournament by a lost match earlier in the day. And every single match I would come up crying, bowing, throw the other girl on her ass, beat her, bow out crying, come into the next match, still crying, beat the show the other girl, bow out crying, the whole day crying until I beat everybody, beat the same girl that beat me twice in order to win on top of the podium. Number one, crying still because I lost that first match earlier in the day.

46:41And so, yeah, I was always very emotional. I was extremely emotional as a fighter and in training, everything like that. And that was something I was constantly trying to like battle was like, if you get thrown in a tournament, don't start crying because that was just something that would happen to be all the time. But very, yeah, and that it's such so funny if you will think that I'm like, yeah, this emotionalist robot, whatever I fight, that took a long time to be able to get there to stop like crying in the middle of the match. Wow. Yeah. Dana says he's never going to allow women into the UFC to fight.

47:14But then Dana changes his mind and he changes his mind because of you effectively. So in September 2012, I remember that I remember it very fondly. I remember where I was when I watched the first woman fight in the UFC. Dana says that he's signing the first ever woman fighter in the UFC. They'd be called Ronda Rousy. I'm despite saying a year earlier that he wouldn't, but he called you a game changer. And so you didn't end up changing the game. And you became your FC champion between 2020, 2012 and 2015. You won 15 fights back to back. Most of them finished within seconds. You stacked up a bunch of records, including the fastest ever win, fastest submission, fastest title defense turnaround.

47:57And you evoted the best female athlete of all time in a 2015 ESPN fan pole. And Fox Sports called you one of the defining athletes of the 21st century. Part of that sort of 15 fights back to back was, you know, when I think about that period is the amount of times you were fighting was really unusual. You're fighting. I think sometimes you're fighting three times in nine months, which is kind of unheard of for anyone in the UFC. I mean, this fight is today that seems to just fight once a year. Why were you doing that? Why were you fighting so frequently? I was fighting that frequently because that's how often Dana calls.

48:34And I told them that, no, if you sign me, I will be there to fight whatever you need me. And I never said no. And so anytime that I got an offer or any time when the guys got hurt or fell out, I was always the one that would fill in. And, you know, if there was like a, I always fought on like February's and August's and November's like the worst times of the years to fight because that's when they needed somebody to come in and pick up the numbers. So I wasn't somebody like holding out to only fight on the Fourth of July card or New Year's card, which are the best, you know, newer, the highest viewed of the year.

49:11I would do whatever was best for the company because that's what I promised the role that I would fulfill. That was like the deal that I made when I came in. And, you know, nobody else has to do that. But I felt like I owed it to Dana. I promised them I would be there anytime that I needed me and I was. If you could go back and give yourself advice on that day when you signed your UFC contract now, you could time travel back to that runder and give her a little bit of advice. Whisper and Aia, what would you say? I wouldn't change anything. You wouldn't change anything. Time travel is not possible.

49:44And I led myself to where I am now and I'm happy with where I'm at. So I wouldn't fuck with it. When you got the news that you're going to be signing for the UFC as the first ever woman to fight in the UFC, how did how did that feel? Um, validating. Yeah, and I was just really excited. I just felt like I was at on a secret that the whole world didn't know. And they were just starting to find out. And throughout that period, while you're the UFC champion, you take up acting and you you're featuring a couple of films like The Fast and Furious, Expendables, etc. Was that something that you always had planned or is that something that just arose as an opportunity?

50:20Uh, the movie stuff just kind of arose as an opportunity. Um, but, you know, once it became a possibility, I was like, of course, I could be the next Bruce Lee, you know, of course, I could do great at this. And um, I felt like I was a good like performer and, you know, great physical performer as well. And I could combine the two in a way that nobody else could. So I went after it with the same kind of confidence I went after everything. On the 14th of November, 2015, you had UFC one, nine, three, where you aligned up to fight Holy Homes in Melbourne, Australia. I remember where I was when that fight happened.

50:59I didn't miss many UFC fights and I still don't miss many. But it was a really sort of, um, a huge turning point for a number of reasons. You were indestructible. Basically, that's how the whole UFC community and I think the fan base saw you. But in that moment, as you said earlier on, there was an initial contact. And I watched the clip again, early run. There's an initial contact. I think it was with um, Holy Homes, Elbow, if I can't remember, if I remember correctly. And then you talked about having this sort of issue with depth, depth, depth, depth perception because of that initial contact.

51:31And that's actually what I see in that clip. I see from that first sort of strike that there is an issue with kind of understanding where where um, Holy is and that fight ends in a head kick. From that moment when you leave the, the octagon, how does, how does your life and perception of everything change? Because it's interesting. The way that you were built up to that, you were at, I was going to say the top of the mountain, you're up in the clouds at that point. Like it was, it was framed to everyone that you were fundamentally indestructible. You know, and that's kind of what the marketing machine does.

52:05It does to everyone. They're fundamentally indestructible, but everyone with, from the Hamad Ali to my friend Israel in the UFC, everyone has their day where we find out that everyone is a human being to some degree. From the moment you leave the UFC, what is life like from that point onwards when you get back into the medical room? Um, extremely depressing. You know, that was my whole identity was being champion and undefeated and um, it's just like soul crushing. It really was. It was, I was just kind of like forced to face music before I was ready to. And I knew that um, it was going to catch up to me at some point, but I was more, I think upset that there were so many people out there that were like reveling in it.

53:01And um, and I don't know, it just felt so like unjust in a way because I just felt like it was just, there's so much that it just wasn't my fault, you know, I guess couldn't like, my brain just couldn't take what I asked of it anymore. And my body took as much as it could until it literally broke and I gave everybody everything that I had. And um, and that wasn't enough for them. They they hated me for not having more. So I mean, it was tough. It was um, I saw a whole bunch of people that I thought were friends, just, you know, turn on me and um, it was a really eye opening in a way though, you know, to who true, who are true, to who true friends are and what is, but true happiness is and that outward validation wasn't it.

54:02And so I think maybe you might have saved me in a way from going down the path of trying to like chase that high of everybody's, you know, approval forever. But um, so I guess it was liberating in a way in a long run. If I was a flown in the wall that night when you left that out to go, what would I have seen? I mean, a lot of crying.

54:24So um, I had to get my lip sewed up the muscle underneath and then the skin. I remember I was so out of it that I like bid off a chunk of my lip and spit it out. Like it was like a piece of chap like, you know, like a chap lip. Like that's how out of it I was. That was biting into like spitting out chunks of like, the flesh of my lip and people judging me for the decisions I was making all, all in that state, I think is what bothered me the most. It wasn't so much that I lost the persist that people thought that I didn't know how to fight. And um, you know, if I was at my full capacity, I don't think anyone could ever be me, but I just, you know, I was spent.

55:11I was running on fumes for so long that I didn't have any fumes left. And um, and the moment that I read out of fumes was, um, you know, broadcast live to billions of people everywhere who all had their own assumptions about it and none of them are right. And I felt like I couldn't speak up or say anything and honestly like, whoever I tried to talk to, they didn't care about, um, helping me communicate. When I was trying to communicate, they just cared about getting as many clicks as possible. So I couldn't trust anyone to speak through. So I feel like this book was the only way that I could really communicate everything that had been holding on to for years because I mean, yeah, it was really tough, but I literally fought until I couldn't fight anymore.

56:02And maybe that's not enough for a lot of people, but I feel like I created the most efficient fighting style that ever created that that was that's ever existed. And um, I had to realize that only people that are truly great can recognize greatness. I wanted to be so great that only that even an idiot couldn't, um, deny it. But um, but then I realized after going into pro wrestling that retiring undefeated and taking the equity that I had with me would have been what was best for the sport. Even though I know that I better than all these girls than by a fucking long shot and I always will be taking my equity away from me so that everybody knows that one would actually tarnish my legacy.

56:53It wouldn't make everybody take the work, the women after me seriously. And so it had to happen for the, for, you know, the betterment of the sport. But, you know, sometimes it's still things a little bit that it's, you know, I'm not recognized as the greatest ever what I know I am, but my mom said all the time really quite the other special here that she didn't care if everybody knew she was the best in the world. She only cared if she knew. She didn't care if that nobody knew who was the first American role champion of judo back in 1984. It was important to her. And, um, I think like somewhere along the way, um, I, it started to matter more what other people thought than what I thought.

57:39And so, um, I think being, being forced back to, to that was actually the best thing that could have happened to me. I don't think people realized the extent of, they say it is kind of just a game, you know, fighting, they say it's some kind of game that they're watching like they're playing an Xbox or PlayStation. But I don't think they understand the extent of the devastation on a human level that you kind of experience after that loss. And I think until you did that interview with Ellen where you revealed that you'd gone back to your changing room and you had these sort of suicide ideation about the future, most people didn't realize the extent of it until then.

58:20It would, did you literally have suicide ideation in the days and hours following the fight? No, I wasn't basically like instantly when I came backstage. But, you know, suicide is the kind of thing that becomes more prevalent if, you know, it's in your family. And I'm literally had two generations of suicide ahead of me. It's just something that, it's always a like an option in your mind once it's shown to you, you know. But I think that the fact that I was with Travis and my husband now that I just didn't want to like take the pain that I had in me and give it to him because that's what how I experienced suicide was like, okay, it's you get to relieve yourself of that pain, but you have to, you pass it on to everybody else.

59:20And my, you know, but my dad was dying anyway. He wouldn't have been able to prevent his death and he was, you know, physically suffering every day. And so that, so I understand that. And I didn't feel like I had that same kind of justification that I wasn't going to die anyway. So I was going to live for him and for my family. So that day, they wouldn't have to take the pain that I was feeling onto them. Was that the hardest moment in your professional career? Professionally, yeah. Was it the hardest moment in your personal life? Not losing my dad was worse. You went on to fight Amanda Nunez at UFC 207 in 2016 and the fight ends again.

1:00:13And after this, you come to the decision that your time at the UFC is over and you decide to move on to the WWE. There's this sort of a two year gap, I believe, between about a one year gap between the Nunez fight and the WWE announcement. What happens in your life in that gap? I was mostly just being sad. I was just like sad and high in playing video games and eating crates. I mean, everybody wants to rush you through grieving things, but, you know, I think it's important. So I took that time to myself. I was also just so worn out from, you know, I said running on fumes for years on end and like literally dragging myself out of bed every morning and like having to dig deep every second of the day that I just, you know, wanted to dig deep and just disappear.

1:01:05I had, you know, pop rods in all kinds of crazy shit happening at the time and I just just like didn't want to be famous anymore. So it was always more of a tool than a goal. Now that I didn't have fights to promote, I didn't need it anymore, but I guess it wasn't done with me. So I kind of had to like, um, disappear for a while to be left alone. We doing anything professionally during that period? We just, uh -huh. Um, I mean, I, um, I was just at home. I feel like I just needed to not give anymore. I don't think anyone can understand how exhausted I was and how much it has asked of me for so long that I just needed to rest, I even mentally and physically rest.

1:01:59And, um, but people that have, you know, dug deep enough to make it to two Olympics and win 15 fights in a row, you know, not people, not all people understand how much effort that takes. And um, just sounds like numbers when you say it, but when you live it, it's just like, I literally had nothing left in me. I like could barely get out of bed. So I mean, it's not the kind of like tired that you can take a long sleep from and wake up refreshed, you know, like, it's like the kind of tired that takes like a year to recover from. Is that, is that depression in your mind? Yes, so you could, you could, you could call it depression.

1:02:40Um, but, you know, I didn't see anyone and get diagnosed. Your, your husband was there throughout that period with you. Yeah, he was there the whole time. He was the one supplying the craps. Yeah, he's amazing. He really was, you know, helped drag me out of my own hole. And I'm very much like, you know, like a golem cave creature in general, like I did this whole like, not, not leave my, my little den. Um, but he's like very much a social butterfly and he would make sure that like, okay, you need to go out and interact with human beings. Which, you know, is always kind of been how I was. I always struggled socially and stuff like that.

1:03:27Um, which is why I got into judo was to be able to like socialize and just be able to talk and communicate. And so, um, I just kind of referred it back to like my, my hermit. And then it's I would easily slide back into the misty mountains anytime I was allowed. Did he understand what you were going through psychologically in that period? Were you able to communicate at 10? Um, I think he understood to an extent like he, uh, he had a different kind of incredible story where he started fighting at 26 and then was number one contender and at the UFC and as much time as it took me to be the number one to enter the UFC.

1:04:12So he was like incredibly naturally talented, but he hadn't been, you know, um, pursuing a goal of athletic greatness and he was six of the way that I had. And so I'm just a disappointment of, you know, never going, never winning an Olympic gold medal and never being able to retire and defeated in those kind of like lifelong goals. Um, I don't think a lot of people understand that, but he also was still like so supportive in there for me, you know, and he never got fed up with me, him open around and literally crying over like eggs. If I like sped up broke the yoke, I mean, like I can't even make him eggs, you know, like just being like that for like, yeah, over a year and stuff.

1:04:58And his like, he's just such incredible love and patience. And it was just like there for me all the time and just like bringing me in and hold me when I needed it. Even if he didn't like understand why I was so sad, he was like there for it anyway. So yeah, he's the best thing that ever happened to me. I love him so much. But yeah, he might not have understood it so much, but he was still there for me.

1:05:27You're going to get me at some point. Pudge on emotional. No, I know. No, listen. So often in those moments, our hardest moments that we realize that you said earlier, who we've got around us, but also the value of certain people in our lives, I think in my hardest times in my life, that's that's following those times is when I realized who really, really mattered and my partner in particular through my hardest moments, I've you go through the the dark canyon of these tough times in life and you emerge that person walked through it with you and you're fucking out of this person. Now I understand how much they mean to me.

1:06:02Sometimes it takes that to understand what someone means to you. And it certainly sounds like that moment crystallized what Travis means to you in your life as well. Yeah, I think when we first got together, we went through so much stuff that would have driven anybody else apart, but it really just brought us all brought us brought the two of us closer together and I'm so glad that we were with each other when we were going through the hardest times that we didn't have to go through it alone. Where does the WWE come in? So that's ultimately what sort of I guess pulled you out if you're a little cave there, but yeah, I had to get out of the cave and in front of like a crowd of thousands of people live, of course, which is really funny because I really don't like it.

1:06:47I don't like being in front of crowds that a bunch of people and I hate public speaking. But I just love the stuff that I get to do while doing it. But yeah, I kind of, my friends, the four horse of Inchina, Jasmine, Marina, that were like a friends I made. I mean, I knew Marina back from judo and I met Chena and Jasmine through MMA and we really became like really close into group and for me, and for how hard it was for me to socialize and make friends, these were like girls, you know? And they all started getting into pro wrestling and I just started doing it for fun and it was just so fun and it wasn't a competition.

1:07:34It was everyone working together to try and do something great together and so it reminded me more of like, you know, like filming action movies and doing fight choreography except for it was kind of like in its purest form where you have to tell the story, like the movie you have like the movie part and then there's a fight and then the story and like usually the fight is like separate from that and I feel like pro wrestling is like the the purest form of combat storytelling because you can only tell the story through the combat. Now I was just fasting with that especially, you know, I want to be Bruce Lee and and they became that thing that like I started to fixate on and wanted to be better and better at just go into training and lose track of time and realize that I'd been going for five hours kind of a thing and and I love that feeling of being lost and something.

1:08:25To my friend I was talking something other, I was like, passion is my passion. I just love to do passionate about things and, you know, I guess that the flow state is fun and I just love being in it and so yeah, that I started just training for fun and then and you know, getting I didn't really get an opportunity to go to WWE, I was kind of like, hey guys I want to do this. And then they were like, okay. And yeah, then it's kind of snowballed into because the first I was like, okay, I want to have a baby soon and it'd be kind of cool to go and do some pro wrestling for a couple of months before I'd gone have my baby and then it just kind of like snowballed into this whole beast and this whole like other life that I didn't know that I was going to have but it was very much like a calling much more than a pursuit if that made sense, you know.

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1:10:32The press conference is the bravado is in your book you talk about how comments online and news paper comments and stuff would get to you. I mean, you know, it starts off like that. But yeah, at first, you know, when everything was going great, it was like I would look at my comments like the morning newspaper I'd wake up with the morning and look at my comments. I'll look at my tag photos and it's so unhealthy. But after my first loss, I quit cold turkey, which I feel like that was one thing that I needed to do was to like not constantly need that outside validation and stuff like that, especially from internet and social media and stuff and I was kind of like giving that way too much stock in my like emotional, you know, state and stuff like that.

1:11:32And then and then pro wrestling you're literally in front of a crowd that is like the embodiment of a comment section in front of yourself. But you know, that's also why I really enjoyed being a keel, which I, you know, wish they would have let me be a keel more often because that's why I felt like I was happy and at happiest when I wasn't trying to placate to the crowd purposely trying, you know, piss them off and get a rise out of them and not trying to constantly, you know, pander. I was surprised to hear about the WWE that they kind of rewrite the script last minute and that it's not. I don't know, you think of such a big business.

1:12:16You imagine they got script writers and the scripts have written you would think it wouldn't be an absolute clutch issue. And you would be wrong. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And it's so needlessly dangerous. Like no one can like a lot of times people can't rehearse things or change last minute. A lot of times you see them outside. They're the performing label. They've only talked about it and they're doing it for the first time. So a lot of these injuries happen because people just weren't able to rehearse and the company isn't giving shit because we're all expendable to them. Did you feel expendable to the UFC?

1:12:46To the WWE? Yes. Yeah. I think we all did. And they made sure to make us feel that way. Why? They made sure to make you feel that way. Yeah. So that you wouldn't get above your station or something. Or so that you would just do whatever you're told. Yeah, just do whatever you're told. Just take it. And you're all contractors at the WWE as well. So you're not employees. You have to pay for your own health care and all these kinds of things from my written book. Yep. Which is pretty crazy. I mean, they would never be allowed in a where I'm from in the UK. And it's sort of Vince McMahon's kingdom.

1:13:23Yeah. Well, I mean, supposedly he's out now because they, you know, caught up in paying company, company funds so you can show some girls head in the office and, you know, do a three -some with her with Johnny Lauren, I just. But his cronies are still there. And so when the stuff started coming out and Vince was gone before he was still basically just calling it in and running the company. And, um, but yeah, like Bruce Pritchard, who's there now, who's still like the head of creative or whatever title they gave him, is basically just taking orders from Vince and still running the company through him.

1:14:03And so when Vince was, uh, resigned formally because of all these like sexual allegations and stuff that were coming out, he was still running the company informally. And I think he still is to this day. You don't have a whole lot of nice things to say about these people. I mean, depends on who the girls in locker room. I absolutely love them. The people at the top running. Yeah. I mean, Stefan Triple H, I think they're honestly doing their best, but I mean, I think that Vince McMahon just created a fundamentally sick environment. And, uh, I think if, if Ari is going to be able, it's going to be a, if Ari a manual who bought it out from WME is going to be able to actually make this multi -billion dollar dysfunctional organization into one that functions.

1:14:49He's got to clean out all the Vince's cronies. He's got a completely clean house and removed Vince's influence completely. But, um, you know, no one's asking me, but that's just what I experienced when Vince was gone. He was still running the show through, um, you know, people that he'd hired in the past. Bruce Pritchard being number one of them. Bruce Pritchard's still there, I believe. Yeah. John Lauren I just took like, he was, uh, he was cut loose because he got named specifically in, in the scandal, but, uh, yeah, Bruce Pritchard is literally, I'd never heard him say a single one of his own opinions.

1:15:29He'd only say that Vince says this, Vince says that, Vince says this, Vince says this, Vince says, Vince says, Vince says, Vince and Vince. And so he's literally just like, you know, I call them Vince's avatar. That's basically what he is. You returned to the UFC off, you left in 2019. You were there to, from 2017 to 2019. And, um, in 2017, you, is when you got married with Travis, I couldn't figure out from the, from the dates. I didn't think the date was in your book, but at some point during this journey, you, you start trying to have children, um, something I'm trying now with my partner on that process as well.

1:16:07And you talk in the book about a really heartbreaking incident where you're filming a TV show with 911, the TV show 911. Um, and there was a, a fight scenes and very stunt in that movie. And a day after that, you suffered a miscarriage. Yeah. Um, well, I found out I was pregnant right before the show started filming. And then I, um, my finger got chopped off from the bow door following on it. And, um, but, you know, the, we got, we went and checked out, and there's, you know, the baby seemed just fine. Uh, but then I miscarried a couple weeks later. So I just kind of always felt like that was my fault that I wanted to keep doing dangerous stuff, while I was pregnant because I thought it made me cool.

1:16:55And then, um, and then, uh, I was just like depressed and like drinking and smoking, not taking care of myself. And then I got pregnant right away again. And then we never even saw a heartbeat that time, but I was expecting anything more because I just wasn't taking care of myself. So you had two miscarriages. Two miscarriages. Yeah. And then I went through IVF, four cycles to IVF to be able to get eight embryos as we wanted to have like three or four kids. And the first one that we used, um, actually worked, that, that's, you know, La K. Of my daughter now. But, um, but yeah, we're in the process of doing right now.

1:17:32And I just got news yesterday that our first cycle didn't work. So it's tough. Anyone going through is tough. And like, people just don't talk about it. But, you know, it's hard because you have like so much hope every time. And, and, um, yeah, I don't know. I'll just have to wait until the end of this book tour to try again. But I was really hoping we pregnant today.

1:18:01But, you know, it's the kind of thing that like nobody talks about. So, and so the sublime women think they're going through it alone. But, um, uh, it's really, really common. But it's just, it's really hard when things don't work out.

1:18:22So many women and couples are going through this. And as you, as you say, it's not something we talk about because the mixture of feelings surrounding it are complex to say the least. I think like, you know, no one wants to burden anybody else with what they're going through. But a lot of times it's not, you're not burdening other people. You're, you know, I don't know if it's like camaraderie, but you're offering something to other people that are going through the same thing. And a lot of times it's like a woman you can feel like it's, you know, your fault. But, you know, your peak productive years are your peak athletic years.

1:19:06So, I decided to use those on my career. And, um, you know, thankfully I was able to get a bunch of embryos when I was young. And hopefully, you know, we'll be able to still have a couple more kids. But, you know, I still, I got my poe and I got my boys. So, you know, I got a lot more than, than most than a lot of people that have been through it. But, you know, so you've got three kids in total, two of them are from Travis's previous relationship with his previous partner, where you're now the stepmother and you've had a daughter of your own. Yeah. People don't understand the, because there are people that have gone through this and they understand, although, because the no one's talking about it, they've not had their feelings echoed by someone publicly before.

1:19:49And then there's this other group of people that have never been through this, sort of IVF journey of success failure, failure success, failure fit, etc. For those people that have never experienced it, what is that like? What is the complexity of the emotions that you, you experience in the face? It's just a grind. It's a grind and it's really hard on you mentally and physically your body. And like, like, this last cycle, I wasn't allowed to like, you know, work out or anything for weeks on end. And so it's like, my first time around, when I had to do like four cycles in a row and then the transfer cycle, I mean, like, I, was like, just not recognizable physically.

1:20:31And, um, and just mentally so worn out, you're on all these kind of hormones and you're going through this like emotional rollercoaster and stuff. And you just, you can't really talk about it, you know, and, um, and, uh, yeah, sometimes like, like, I would, you know, have just people that are like, psychotic trolls that like try and follow me around online and like, break me about these kind of things about like at the time I'm not, like, not having a kid when I was trying and, and stuff like that. And that's like, I guess the, the way you have to live with being a public figure, but, and you're not supposed to say anything about it because how dare you not be grateful for your good fortune.

1:21:15But, man, it, um, it sucks when you're going through it. And you feel like, you know, the world is also still looking over your shoulder and you're not living up to, you know, your own expectations. I don't know. Um, if there's a, I don't know if there's a feminine word for a masculine eating, but, is, uh, you know, effeminating. It feels like if you, if you can't naturally have like a baby, like, I mean, my doctor was like, if you probably, if he stopped smoking and drinking, you can have a baby, like, you know, spoke about your weed and naturally have a baby, but because we wanted to have so many, he was like, you should get all your embryos now.

1:21:57So when you're older, you can take your time and do it. And so it's just like, yeah, it's tough because there's a woman you have to choose. Am I going to go for a career during my peak years or am I going to like go for kids? And so, you know, luckily, you know, science makes it, so you can have both, but it doesn't make it easy. This has been very front of mind for me because, because I'm trying now. And I've actually sat here yesterday with two fertility doctors, two different fertility doctors, because I really wanted to understand the whole process and understand, because, you know, I think people typically think that fertility is a female thing, but the fertility doctors told me quite clearly that when they go through the IVF rounds, it's 50 -50 typically as to why sort of a baby isn't conceived.

1:22:43It's 50 % of the time it's a man 50 % of the time it's the woman. And so I'm really grateful that you share that because lots of people are struggling and increasingly the IVF clinics, I think I think I've offered my head of growing 90 % in popularity over the last couple of years and because we're having our careers being extended further and a variety of other things, but sperm counts are dropping, testosterone levels are dropping, it's only going to get more common. Yeah, and one thing I will say that's great about it is because I did go through two pregnancies that, you know, my doctor told me it was probably because it wasn't because you talked your finger off it wasn't because of your drink in your stomach and like is because they're genetically not conducive to life.

1:23:28And so the great thing with IVF is you get these embryos and you can have them tested first and then you don't have formality and you have to make that decision. And so you know that they're healthy going into it, but then when you put all that effort into it and you finally do it and then it doesn't work out, I mean that's that's crushing itself too, you know, so it's, it's tough. I mean science is amazing, but it is a really a really difficult process to go through. Where does your happiness come from these days? You've had a real sort of a pivot in terms of where you look for happiness over years.

1:24:06Yeah, I mean my happiness is every day with my family. That's what it is and I'm so lucky that I get to be like, you know, retired in my mid -30s and be able to spend like all my time with my my husband and my kids and like to be there for them and to be able to not have to like worry about so much, you know, and get to just focus on them. And yeah, I don't know, just day -to -day, I just, I mean I say like I'm retired, but like I still do stuff, but I don't do stuff with the intention of like I have to pay the bills with this. And so yeah, I mean I'm not like only like only my husband, only a wife and mom, like I started writing as just a way to like kind of help me from, you know, not fixating on like myself or picking at myself and got into like screenwriting and which is just like a really great way for if I am having like just, you know, that's like a destructive thought process or something like that that I can like turn my mind into towards something creative and actually like make something out of all of that, you know, mental energy that I'm just turning inward and like hurting myself with and so, so then came out with this book and I've actually I'm working on my fourth script right now and my first one's being made into a comic book and which I touch on out of the book too, but it's also like doing these kind of things not with the intention of like making millions of dollars or you know, impressing a bunch of people, but just that the active it is so fun.

1:25:46I got I'm in turning right now at the story department, a WME that's all working on the car, yeah, I'm learning how to be a reader and write coverages and just you know, read lots of lots of scripts and make me a better writer and like learn like the dark art of like writing coverages which people don't see, they're not public, but to be able to just still script down to as few words as possible and know what you're looking for and all these things and just kind of like learning these skills are really fascinated and that's just like validating in themselves you know and like and with our ranch and everything like that and raising our cows and like my favorite part is we took this land in Oregon that was like completely degrading you know, it'd been mismanaged for years there was more dirt than there was a grass and to be able to we're using regenerative practices with our weg you and our poultry to be able to like bring this land back to life you know, so I was like then we're rewarding to me then reading a whole morning of positive comments on the freaking picture is actually like going out and like seeing this land become better and like that kind of stuff is like really rewarding and I don't have to worry about you know promoting it or what people will think of it or how much money I'm making from it so yeah like I'm retired but I'm busy.

1:27:07If it must be difficult to go from those arenas that I watched you in all around the world with all those people screaming and cheering to this farm in Oregon because I don't know, I don't know one assumes that the adrenaline we always talk about the adrenaline rush that you get from fighting and competing the opposite of that is a farm in Oregon. I guess so but I mean I love my favorite crowds like Russell in front of are like small crowds. I love being like in a small non -televised crowd. I thought that's my favorite and like fight I could fight in a closet. I could fight arena. It's not making it better to me you know.

1:27:44I just want to win the fight like the fight itself is what I care about that. So it gave me the joy. I was completely blocking them out. I mean they're they're welcome to be there but they're not that they're not part of my actual experience of the fight itself. I mean winning and everyone being like, I mean that's incredible feeling. That's great but that's not why I got into it. I didn't get into like you know, judo isn't like a big sport that there's going to be crowds of people cheering for you for you. Anyone that's crazy enough to want to win Olympic gold medal and anything it's not because they want to be famous.

1:28:17They want a bunch of people to know or cheer for them. It's because they want to be the best at something. I just love that process of going from knowing nothing about something to mastering. I love the process of mastery. You used to wear that here in a self -destructive thoughts. Am I right in thinking that your self -destructive thoughts which appear to still be with you today are the reason in part why you you were so great when it came to the UFC in fighting. Yeah I guess like you know I would enter that that flow state I guess of being like so lost in doing something that you can't think of anything else everything else just appears.

1:28:56That was always my favorite place to be. You know swimming I didn't have that. Your mind is left to wander while you're swimming or in judo you know there's nothing happening except for what's happening in front of you in fighting. There's nothing going on except for what's going on in front of you and in processing there's nothing going on except for the the reality you created in this match that you're in. And yeah I love being completely lost in the in the task of doing something the best that you can like that's something that's addicting and I guess something that I still do now you know trying to do like through writing and and everything like that but um I don't know I just I guess it's just um we're where my happy places.

1:29:41But you know. Do you still have those self -destructive thoughts today? Oh yeah I mean all the time but I mean it's just kind of like something you're like wake up and be like oh my god I remember that thing that you said several years ago that was so stupid. Remember that thing you tweeted you stupid bitch like you know like just things that like come up that you can't do anything about it but um just you know roommate and sometimes it's like you know try not to think of a blue duck kind of a thing. Yeah yeah yeah. And a lot of times it's like that it's sometimes I'll be in in the middle of something great and I'll just like don't think of something bad and then because of that it'll like pop up in my head and yeah I don't know.

1:30:17Did you go to therapy at any point in your career? I mean I've tried but I have you know my mom's a psychologist so you know uh anyone that I went to talk to I was just kind of like you're not as smart as my mom. Yeah but I mean I've attempted but I've never found anyone that I really like clicked with but I've given it a couple of shots but I mean maybe it's not for everybody I don't think it's for me. The other picture that I found when I was doing my research is this beautiful picture here and the question I have for you is about the lessons you learned from Miss Man.

1:31:00I'm gonna keep this. You can keep both. Uh lessons I learned you know I wish I remember more. We don't even have a video or anything you know very few pictures um but I don't know I just more of the examples that he gave me of how to actually like be a man and how to be a great husband like my mom and dad were so in love with each other. I remember they were like make out over our breakfast and I'm like oh yeah I know but um he was like so in love with my mom and she was so in love with him and um I think that's why I was smart enough to wait until trapped to get married because I knew what I was looking for and so he showed me what a loving husband and father is and you know he's the one that when my mom is so worried about you know me being late developmentally and all these things my mom said he was the one that was always like you know Ronnie is a sleeper she's gonna show everybody and so he was the always the one that like believed that was going to be like exceptional and put that belief in my mind that I'm exceptional and I'm gonna do incredible things and so yeah so I didn't never forget it I guess you think he was right you named after him right he's called Ron yeah I was supposed to be a Ronald John Rousey Jr but I'm a girl so I'm on to Gene Rousey the first and you did show everyone that's exactly what you did in your career you showed everyone and um you know it's funny because I'm a big UFC fan so I watched your career enjoyed it so much you gave me some incredible moments throughout all of the this sort of those major fights that you had and it's interesting because from reading your book and speaking to you today I realized that the very human cost of the entertainment that I enjoyed is a fan I behind that sat someone who is quite clearly pretty obsessed with winning being mastery in your own words and being the very best to everything you apply yourself to and with that comes a cost you know we don't have to pay the cost as fans we just get to enjoy the entertainment and so it's very easy I think without the full picture being illuminated to not pay tribute to someone who gave us so much as fans but in behind the scenes had to struggle in really profound ways from the age of six years old for that joy that you brought to all of our lives so on behalf of fans that do understand the full picture I'd personally want to say thank you so much for that because yeah you know I used to step to a three four a .m.

1:33:49in the morning in the UK to watch you fight because you were like nothing I'd ever seen you know you define the division you you basically created the the concept of women fighting in the UFC and you did it in a way with a star that I'd never seen before and frankly haven't really seen since so thank you for that I know it's difficult I can tell from when you talk about those moments how difficult it still is but that's what I would expect from someone who is one of the real goats of the sport thank you for writing this book as well it's um incredibly honest and I think it's perfectly written in many respects but the timing of it is perfect because you're in a certain chapter of your life where you're able to look back on all of these experiences with a certain retrospective clarity and wisdom that is incredibly helpful and you found yourself on the other side of all of this stuff now as a as a mother and as a as a normal human away from the WWE in the UFC and from that perspective I think everyone can learn a tremendous amount about life about happiness about family about committing yourself to something in with the form of mastery that you had but also more more than anything what I take from it is what really matters in life and I think that's if I've interpreted correctly is the real objective of the book we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing who they're leaving it for uh oh why does everyone get scared when I want to go to the story okay well okay just fear the unknown it's not it's not it's not terrifying sometimes horrific um what was the most fun moment of your entire life of my entire life yeah most fun god I mean I've had a lot of fun um they're probably intimate moments of a husband that I can't share but we have a good time you'll be happy for the shout out ronda rousey off I'm out available everywhere right now um an incredible book and I recommend everyone to go and get it thank you so much ronda thank you for having me q1 is often when businesses start implementing new systems and processes in hopes of creating efficiencies for the year ahead and over the course of my career I've learnt just how crucial having the right systems in places one which has helped me across many of my investments is net suite they're also a sponsor of this podcast net suite is the number one cloud financial system through their streamlined platform you'll find all of your accounting financial management inventory and HR in one place their technology has been a real game changer especially for my team at flight studio as over the last year we've moved out of startup mode and into scale at mode we no longer have to juggle multiple systems and having everything together has reduced the number of manual tasks and errors over 41 ,000 businesses have chosen to future proof their business with net suite so if you'd like to learn how it can help your business head to net suite dot com slash Bartlett and free download the cfo's guide to AI and machine learning that's net suite dot com slash Bartlett