Russ Cook (Hardest Geezer): I Haven't Told The Whole Truth About Africa!, They Took Me Into The Jungle To Kill Me!

45:21What are you doing for those two years?

45:26So I was just working bits and pieces here and there, really. Back to normality? Pretty much. I finished the Asia's London run. And in my head from then, I was like, I would really love to make this kind of thing a career somehow. Don't know how I'm going to do it, but I would love to be able to do that. And then that kind of started like a three or four year process of working out, okay, you know, if we make content, then maybe brands will sponsor that and then I can go and do adventures with that money. but that it took a long time to kind of put those pieces of the puzzle together like that was never the really what I was thinking of when I did Istanbul to London I chucked a few photos up on Instagram just really for my boys to see be like I'm out here in Serbia camping or whatever um but yeah then you know did the Asia London run figured out if we make some content and that's how we're going to do it buried myself alive pull the car for a marathon then the africa planning started happening you buried yourself alive you asked your parents if you could bury yourself in the garden they told you to fuck off yeah yeah i remember that oh yeah you buried yourself alive for seven days in underground you basically just dug a hole in a tin can and jumped in the tin can and then they they buried you there um and then eventually the plans as you say you pulled the car as well which is crazy do you know when i actually found out all this stuff which was a shock to me was i don't know a week or so into your run in africa i saw you pop up on my feed and then as you know i clicked on your profile and i clicked on the dm box yeah and you sent me a dm yeah and the dm you sent me was in may the 5th i think it was 2022 so it's a long time ago more than two years ago now and paraphrasing because i know you're speculative i bet you get these kind of dms all the time yeah i missed it i didn't see it so i didn't i didn't i didn't see it at all but um it's funny it's funny because i actually replied to you exactly one year to the day really when you sent me a message i replied to you on may the 5th as well but you emailed me on may the 5th 2022 and in that message you said some nice things and then you said you'll probably get a lot of these dms but let me explain why this one is special and exciting this is your sales background now i've removed some parts because yeah no no no no just you know i'm an endurance athlete in 2019 i was i was the first person to run from asia to london in 2020 i pulled a car for a marathon in record time in 2021 i got buried alive with nothing but water my life streamed it for an entire week and in 2022 i'm starting a mission to become the first person to ever run the full length of africa you sent me that dm two years ago um hoping that i could assist you in some way with the africa leg of that and when i saw that the most shocking part was that you'd done all of these other things and i'd never ever heard about any of them yeah yeah and then in that message you explained to me because it was a very like long message and you really it was a really thorough message you explained that this time would be different people would actually know because you'd figured out content yeah yeah and you'd got some good people around you and you spent almost two to three years thinking about this africa run before you even you set off going yeah why africa why was that the plan well i knew that africa hadn't been done before and it's one of the few things left that hadn't been done so that was probably one of the big reasons also like africa's not very travel like not very well traveled not many people tourists not many tourists go there and i thought it would be like the best adventure ever so that's why i decided to do it so you were going to run from the bottom of africa to the top yeah how long did you think it was going to take two i thought it would take 240 days that was my goal i was going to do 360 marathons in 240 days it didn't quite work How long did it take in total?

49:34It took 352 days. Long time. There's lots of hurdles along the way. Before you set off, I think it was four to five months before you set off, maybe six months, you meet a young lady called Emily Bell. Ah, yeah. Yeah. Wow. What a girl. What a woman. Was it six months before or something? I met her, we first met at one of our mutual friends' birthday party. Yeah. And I said to my friend, like, why have you never introduced me to her? She's beautiful. And then that started like a three-month process of me trying to convince her to go on a date. It took a while, but we got there eventually. Got there eventually.

50:22um actually we had a secret santa going and i think one of my friends did me a solid and kind of like rigged the secret santa so i got her and then i got her uh tickets to go to comedia comedy club in brighton got two tickets so i was like well you could like you could take me and then um yeah so then that's that's when we first started dating but But this Africa thing was already in the works, so it was quite complicated. But then before I left, we were like, right, let's do it. And we kind of like, we spoke on the phone every day. And I was one of these people, if you'd asked me two years ago, could that have ever worked?

51:05Like 14 months away we spent from each other. I'd be like, nah, that's never gonna work. But I think we spoke pretty much every day for hours whilst I was running, if I had signal. And the kind of stuff that we got to speak about and really go through in depth on is the kind of stuff that I think in a lot of relationships would just get swept away in the rigmarole of the day-to-day life. so I'm actually super grateful for that time and like really proud of her and us for like navigating that kind of weird situation knowing your childhood and knowing the early model of relationships that you experienced this mother and this father didn't seem like they always had the best time a little bit distant the affection wasn't there when you go into a relationship there must be a part of your subconscious that still has that model of relationships front of mind so you must be in some respects like i am to be fair or at least like i was until i was about 27 28 when i had my first relationship i had my first relationship at your age um an avoidant ah yeah because you hadn't learned you didn't have the tools to be affectionate and to be open totally avoidant still am a bit but but when you met her yeah you hadn't done had those deep conversations nah I think it's her credit to her more than me she she kind of brung that out I didn't have the tools to go to do any of that stuff to be honest you know she's just I think sometimes like I don't know I think I just think we fit really well like together what I can do well she can't what she can do well can't like it works it's so interesting because we got to have a conversation with emily yeah and the way she described you sounded very very much like me it's no it's funny because um i've actually listened i remember messaging you actually about it i think i listened to you'd had a podcast with some relationship person esther perel i remember and um yeah like the way you were talking about I was like, oh, this is like, this is here, don't you?

53:29And we do that a lot sometimes. We listen to podcasts and talk about it and I do this, I do this. I'm going to play this. Oh, God. This is going to be awkward for you, but listen, it's word for word me. He's not the easiest to support and hasn't been the whole time I've known him because he doesn't accept support. He's got so much better at it. but I'm a very nurturing, I want to help, I want to make his life easier, what can I do, how can I support you? But for him, support looks like space.

54:13That's textbook me. Yeah. Support is leave me alone. It's my love language, it's just acts of service and leave me alone. That's really what it's about here, we're talking about you have different love languages. And she goes on to explain that this is much because of the way that, like your early years, you were used to independence. Yeah. God, she's smart. Let me just. He's changed so much since I first met him. When I first met him, I was not thinking, oh, I could actually seriously date you. Yeah, no, I remember those days. You've changed. You've changed. How have you changed? I think I've definitely become more willing to accept something.

54:59I do still struggle with that, but I've definitely tried to do that more. I think for me, it was like I really cared about Emily, so I really wanted to be the best that I could for her as well. and I just think like the level of desire to to make that happen was like really high so I've just I think before I wasn't very willing to compromise on a lot of stuff I was like I'm doing my thing you either fit in or you don't see you later whatever whereas with Emily it reminds me of me With Emily, I was like, she's special. I really want to make this work. And I'm going to have to. It's actually a benefit to me if I can compromise because she, that kind of having that connection will also bring a lot to my life.

55:54And I need to. I need it. She kind of got over the fence. She got over the wall of the castle and managed to invade and change you from inside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you didn't want to let anyone over the fucking head? Nah, nah. is that how it's been for you as well then yeah i met i met a person who i cared about so much yeah it's what exactly what you said that i was finally willing to compromise on things before then it was like as you say my way or the highway like yeah don't get in the way of my dreams yeah you're either on the bus or you're off it but not like i'm willing to go in a different direction in some areas of my life here and it's i think that's good news for a lot of people that are avoidance because it offers us all hope that you know we'll meet someone and they'll be worth it and they'll help to rewire some of the evidence we have from our earliest years about what relationships are and aren't and the freedom they make us compromise and all of those things.

56:44She sounds like a really wonderful person. She is, man. She's great. She's the best. I love her to bits. They always say you strengthen a relationship by going through something difficult together and that's exactly what happened as you ran the length of Africa. The really remarkable thing was I was reading about your preparation for this trip and to say the least, Russ, you were ill-prepared. You landed in South Africa with 10K, which is 4 % of the money that you would need to make it the whole way. I mean, there's so many other things here. You knew that you couldn't get through, I think it was Angola?

57:20Algeria. Algeria. You knew you couldn't get through Algeria because they don't issue visas if you're not in the country. They denied our visa already, yeah. And they don't issue visas when you're not in the country if you've already left, so. So you sort of like, I'll figure it out when we get there. Pretty much. what is that mentality because there's so many people that need everything figured out and all the answers and to feel that psychological feeling of i'm ready you don't seem to give a fuck frankly i don't think i was afforded the luxury of being able to you know wait really we were running out of money it was it was now or never i've you know make it work with what you've got or don't do it basically.

58:00And I was like, I think we can do it. Where did this 10K come from? Well, we actually got 50K to start with from an investor that he was a mate of a mate I've managed to persuade to give us some money to get things going. What was in it for him? He's got a percentage of like everything we make off the back end. So he's done all right. But he was a risky one. That's a hell of a... Yeah, risky one for sure. I think he, it was more like a, he just wanted to see it happen. You know, he was a fellow worthy boy a year younger than me he's made a bunch of money in crypto and yeah so he fronted the first bit of money to get us going and 50k was more than enough to get us going but what ended up happening is that the mission got delayed more and more we had some people involved at the start that kind of long story they kind of said that these things were going to happen blah blah blah blah blah Brands were going to happen.

58:56All of this stuff they were trying to make happen. None of it ended up coming to fruition. Did they take money? They didn't take any money, no. But we ended up burning through a lot of the money before. We were supposed to be on start line with like 50K. And we ended up. Months rolled by. We wasted money on XYZ ideas. Didn't come. So we basically got to a point where I kind of got rid of all these people. Start line, 10 grand. And I was like, if we don't get funding within, you know, if we don't get any kind of sponsorship within the first month, this is game over because we've run out of money.

59:34Said to all my team, going to have to delay your wages, et cetera. Just really tightened up. And then I got a message from some bloke from Dragons Den like two weeks in. Who? Yeah. No, so, mate, I mean, I don't know. This is another thing that people probably don't know that you're like such a massive part of the story like you know when when you messaged i remember being in south africa i think it was about 10 days two weeks in or something like this got a message from you that was like oh like just seeing what you're doing something like this love it like if you need any help let me know and i was like mate you should see i rang emily up i was like you're never gonna believe who's just messaged me like it was crazy you know obviously cure got sorted out perfect head got sorted out two unbelievable sponsors and it's kind of changed the whole mission man like i can't even put into words how grateful i am that you messaged me that like it was that was like you know sometimes when you have like a moment where you're like wow like that's like that you were that moment for me really yeah yeah but you did that i know you didn't know but like no you did i'll tell you why you did that because two things the first thing is you had messaged me a year earlier and i just had totally missed it yeah but the second thing is you went and did some so you planted a seed there then you went and did something so awesome that the world brought it to my attention and when the world brought it to my attention i looked at what you were doing um i think you were two weeks roughly two weeks in and i just thought it was awesome i thought you're a cool guy and i could play out how this mission goes in my head and i thought this is really fucking cool i i i'm an investor in i'm a part owner in various companies um and there was two companies that i am very close to perfect ted and who i felt were just perfect because no pun intended because perfect ted are like an energy drink company that i met on dragon's den you need energy and they're all about positive energy and um the founders are very much like you and then obviously here on the nutrition side of things I thought they were perfect for you as well.

1:01:43And I messaged both of them and they were both down instantly. I just sent WhatsApp. So I said, there's this guy, he's running the length of Africa. He's so cool. He's really, he's like going to do it. And both brands were like down in one message. I messaged both the founders on WhatsApp and they were like, we're in. So, and you had done that. You had because you had messaged me. Most people, I say this because sometimes people can see things like pivotal moments in their journey as luck. but I think it's important to highlight that you planted a seed a year earlier when you literally sent me like three pages in a DM.

1:02:16I guess I'll describe it like I was knocking on the door but I needed someone to open it and you opened it. So like it's a kind of a dual thing there. I think you planted a lot of seeds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was knocking on a few doors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm sure there's lots of messages you sent that were never replied to. Yeah. So I'm really glad that I saw it. I'm really glad but I saw it because you were doing something awesome and it just popped up in my feed one day and I went down a rabbit hole and I was like, this is fucking cool. this guy is cool it'd be dope to be you know to do anything we can to see him see this through so that that gives you a little nudge forward those two incredible brands um you get going on the mission you run into a bunch of health issues i mean it went around the internet for a while i think at this time you've got i don't know you didn't have many followers at the time you're 20 30 40 000 followers yeah it kind of grew it grew a lot quite quickly um early doors but we started I started the mission with, I think, 20K on Insta, 6K on Twitter, 10K on YouTube.

1:03:09And you start pissing blood by like day 30. Is there a part of you at day 30 when you're running through Africa and you're pissing blood and you go, I ain't going to be able to do this? Nah. I knew it was bad. You're running out of money. Yeah. A couple of weeks before. Then you start pissing blood. For most people, either one of those things would be, okay, let's get a flight. Well, I just, I knew that, you know, it was a bad situation, but it would, it'd probably end eventually. And then carry on going. You get robbed in South Africa, which is the first sort of minor robbery incident thieves approach you.

1:03:49They try and take your stuff. I think you give them a lift home. Yeah. That was two, two guys came up to me whilst I was running at night. One, one came in front of me. One came behind me. And I kind of instantly knew this was a bit shaky. And I just went a bit mad. Just like weighed up situation, just started acting a bit crazy. Started like beating my chest and shouting and stuff to try and like put them off. Because I could, I've got the feeling like, okay, they're going to, this is an attempt, but they haven't gone straight in with the robbery. They're kind of feeling it out. So I was like trying to give them enough of a reason to think I'm crazy enough.

1:04:27It's just not worth it. It kind of worked. Sorry, you started beating your chest? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I started beating my chest. I started shouting. I was, they, cause they just joined, I was mid run and they joined me running. Like one in front, one behind. They were running it. Like they, I think they, it was a situation where they were trying to fill me out. You know, like, should we rob this guy? This kind of thing. And I just thought if I can put them off enough. So can you describe to me what you. I literally beat in my chest. Yeah. I was just like we're running like just going totally a bit just to make them think like oh this guy's a bit you know he's a bit off it maybe we'll just get the next one did you learn that somewhere or was that like a plan you had no that was just purely like you react differently to different situations like we've been robbed at gunpoint where there's a gun in my face and I'm not going to start beating my chest because I don't want a bullet in my head but then there's other times where you think like you're kind of looking at them going he's actually a bit nervous to rob me so if i can put him off enough then he's just not going to bother which was that that situation so what happens then you start beating your chest acting like i start beating my chest i like loon sit the one got the run the guy running behind me ended up dropping off so then it was just a guy in front of me he was he was quite a small guy anyway and i was like i don't reckon he's about it and then um did you tell him you're the hardest geezer and then we ended up speaking a little bit and he was like oh like my friend was going to rob you but we're not hit but he's gone we're not going to rob you and I was like oh your friend was going to rob me was he yeah like nice um and then you know I actually ended up speaking to him and he was saying like he's just he needs some money to like feed his family and stuff he was living in a township next next to the road which was like pretty bad conditions and I was like look mate my boy's gonna come pick me up in a couple minutes it's like we'll give you some food and he's like sweet you fed the robber yeah so then the boys came and then we ended up giving him a lift back yeah what a nice story yeah it's gonna be a movie one day that this whole thing's gonna be a movie you get to um angola and then you get robbed at gunpoint yeah robbed at gunpoint in angola that was um day 50 yeah i mean they're a bit more successful that time I got a lot of our stuff what happened so around 30k I was on a lunch break we sat in the van me Jared Harry my support team and we were just chat shit like usual two three guys pull up on a motorbike two of them get off come up the side of the van crack door open gun and all our faces start speaking Portuguese um then they took a bunch of stuff yeah that was a nightmare to be honest they got passports money cameras drone phones it was long have you processed this stuff I don't know I don't think so man like the the thing is is that these things happen but you're on the road again the next day so you know because you say it's such a casual sort of blasé way but if someone had a gun pointed at them most people would would be in therapy trying to resolve the sort of complex set of psychological implications that causes and when i asked you the question i could see your demeanor changes a little bit because it it's not as blasé as you you sometimes make out is it i don't know man i guess it just is what it is i haven't really i don't know if i've deeped it that much at this point you know we're over it nothing bad happened in the end i mean we got robbed but no one died you lost the cash you had the equipment and your passports which is probably the most annoying thing of all those things yeah that that cost us like at least two or three weeks in terms of going to re get visas and things day 50 you get to day 100 and you're day 102 when i say day 102 does it bring back any memories it's a couple yeah couple um congo congo drc yeah that was one hell of an experience that you described this as probably the hardest part of the whole trip probably the hardest part of my whole life really you've not talked about this much in detail either for some reason so we made a youtube series online which kind of followed the whole thing it's the only youtube video that i didn't release because it was quite, I mean, it was quite, it's a difficult one at the time as well because it was the hardest time for us as a team.

1:09:17And there was a lot of arguments, a lot of fallouts around that. And I didn't think that the video that we made was really what told the story how I wanted it to be told. What happened?

1:09:38So, yeah. You're emotional about this. Yeah, I mean, it... Yeah, that whole thing was mad. So we got to DRC. I think day 100 we got to DRC. It was hostile from the start. We'd been warned loads about it, about the country. It's one of the poorest countries in the world. it's quite known for corruption and we've been sent the videos of the craziest things happening there and I think we were all a bit apprehensive you've been sent what kind of videos the craziest like people getting shot chopped up all kinds of stuff um yeah it was it definitely I mean I don't know how much I can really what I would say about DRC is that we spent a few days there my experience was very subjective it's a massive country loads of people loads of great people but my personal experience of the small amount of time I spent there was was a bit rough but yeah I mean we landed in the country crossed the border it was a very chaotic border town we had people from the get-go very not not very happy to see us at all shouting at me whilst I was running trying to like exploit us for money, officials, all this kind of stuff, trying to get money out of us.

1:11:03And we'd heard about all of this from people traveling, so we kind of half knew what we were rolling into, but it really created a kind of atmosphere that was difficult, challenging.

1:11:19Yeah, I mean, the day before, day 102, we had a guy come up to me with a rock, spikes in the rock and he was like i'm gonna like smash your head in with this when he's speaking french i don't really get it but harry spoke french so he's basically threatening us with this big spiky rock that he had in his hand saying like give me three quid the equivalent of three quid or i'm gonna like start smashing you all up and uh so we i gave i think gave him a quid in the end because i'm not getting my head smashed in over three quid but also i didn't want to like get word around that there was a bunch of people just throwing money around to anyone that would threaten them so yeah I mean woke up day 102 I was running 100k that day and I felt very anxious from the get-go really like really finding it difficult already

1:12:19ran left my left the boys in the morning like i normally do ran 20k then ran another 20k start we took a turn off onto a dirt road so the boys had planned this route took to went down this dirt road then the van basically the support van couldn't get to me so the boys sent a guy on a motorbike and so i'm running along this dirt bike and this guy on motorbikes keeps trying to stop me and I was so like scatty already that I was I didn't want to stop for he was trying to get me to stop and I was like nah I'd had it the day before people trying to stop me on motorbikes and it was all a bit didn't didn't feel great like I was I was quite anxious about the whole thing anyway eventually I did stop he gave me a note that basically said like the boys can't get round to where we were going to meet but they're going to go to this other place and meet there and um it's about 20k through the jungle no roads like barely even a path I was just kind of like whacking my way through bushes to get to this meeting point where I was going to try and find the boys run out of water phone's got no signal and I'm going through these these bushes stumble into this village and because I think because of the experience that I already had in the first couple days of DRC I was very much like I just want to get my head down and get through these places as quickly as possible with less fuss as possible so I'm running through this village and like people are shouting at me and stuff and I'm like okay this is happening all the time now like just carry on going carry on going but I think I upset quite a lot of the village by doing that and then the chief of the village comes over and then you know before you know I'm like surrounded by half the village they're all like very upset they don't get one they don't get who I am what I'm doing why I'm there and they start trying to say that I need to give them money I didn't have anything on me so then like the chief of the village kind of got some people away and he got two blokes took me out into the bush with machetes and I was bricking it yeah I was absolutely bricking it um thinking like every all every my mind's totally racing at this point i'm like what like what is going on here why why am i going out to the bush like this doesn't make any sense like is this a shakedown like what is the worst happening don't know and then got out into the bush i basically emptied all my bags had some biscuits gave them biscuits and then just started and then i was just like right beeline for this meeting spot and mine's totally frazzled at this point i've got i'm hearing motorbikes coming i'm hearing people I'm jumping in bushes like totally just kind of off it here

1:15:15kind of get through this jungle bit get to this meeting spot the boys aren't there now I'm really like oh this is bad because I'm about 50 something K in I'm dehydrated I've got no water I've got no signal and I don't know where the boys are, I don't know how to get to them and I'm in the middle of the jungle and I know that there's like, I've upset a lot of people in the local area and I've just ran away from them all. I'm like, oh, like this is bad. This is bad news. Anyway, I figured out that the tarmac, the last nine bit of tarmac was, I think about 15 or 20K away and I was like, I reckon I can just about make it there and if I make it there, then that makes sense to the boys, that's the last bit they could get to.

1:16:07So had you just sprinted away from the guys with the machetes? Pretty much, yeah. Yeah. Like it was, they walked me out into the bush and I didn't really, I didn't know what was happening but I was just so like, like this is bad. Gave them biscuits and just died and then like I've ran off and I can just hear loads of like commotion going on and I'm just running through this jungle it's it's all quite it's there I mean it's all quite mad I'm like adrenaline going through the roof um I was like oh yeah were you scared yeah I was petrified man I was absolutely petrified I think what didn't help is that I didn't understand any of the languages like local like Lingala the local language I didn't know any French either which would have helped um and I didn't understand I didn't have a very good understanding of the culture or anything so I think if I went through it again a lot of these things would have been rationalized in my mind easier but because I was so unaware of the situation and I'd had all of these horror stories built up in my head and the first couple of days in DRC was quite rough and I was just like in this spot where it didn't take much for me to kind of just assume the worst of everything so it really just got me into a place where I was like quite scatty um but yeah i mean i find i find this i go see the bit of time i'm not right let's head there it's about you know two hours away i could probably make it there and as i'm going there i'm going down this dirt path another two blokes on a motorbike pull up and you know i'm i was like this i just don't want any part of this they're trying to stop me you know i'm mine's totally gone and they they were trying to i think they were trying to communicate to me like oh we're going to take you to your friends blah blah blah and i'm i'm thinking about i'm like these guys who are these guys sent from they sent from this village or that village is there like a bush telegraph of there's a white guy running around here he's upset like don't get him kind of thing so I'm like nah not doing it blah blah blah thinking you know the boys they send a note with the driver if it's from if it's from them and this guy these guys had no note and I was like there's you know getting later and later I was like I've got no water I've got no signal I've got no way of knowing where the boys are they're probably no further than 10 or 20k away so if I get on this bike and I'm on the bike for longer than half an hour or an hour then I know this bad news so I just thought fuck it get on the bike how long were those two men on the bike following you and asking you to get on the bike a while like probably probably about 20 minutes

1:19:08so yeah got on the bike half an hour went by then now went by I start like kicking off i'm getting off the bike i'm having a garden but like the language barrier is just with no one understands a word anyone's saying and then yeah ended up spending seven hours on my motorbike going into the jungle which was like terrible seven hours seven hours yeah what goes through your mind in those seven hours i thought well i assumed after about an hour and a half i was like okay well i am getting kidnapped then like we're this is it you know and then i was thinking rationally I was like had such limited knowledge about DRC or any of this kind of stuff I was like they're probably just gonna they'd probably just want money but then you also something well maybe they're just gonna kill you and the stories that I'd heard about DRC and that wasn't the craziest thing you know you like people get stabbed for fiver literally like a couple of quid people get stabbed um people get killed for the you know a watch so i was really trying to what like i was really trying to be rational about the situation but just like very quite quite emotional as well and then i mean at for the last few hours i was just like you know what god has for me he has he has for me you know whatever it is is and that's fine and i was just trying to be like you know it's out of my hands um but it was very scary i was like so nervous like just shaking they took me to this village in the jungle late at night no electricity it's like wooden little shacks with tin corrugated roofs and stuff and got me off the bike, took me into this little hut.

1:21:10Then loads of the men of the village came into the hut. They were arguing about money and this kind of stuff. And then the second chief of the village walks in and says to me, like, you speak to me in English very slowly. And he understood a few words. And I said to him, like, this is a big mistake. You know, like, call my friend. He speaks French and, like, and then he can come. and like we've got money in we can sort it out and then they spoke on the phone and then basically we agreed like the boys would come we've got the money and then it took the boys like i think about 36 48 hours to get there because it was so rural there was no roads going there it was all dirt paths they tried to rent some motorbikes got scammed then they then they ended up trying to borrow the police a police chiefs four by four who also scammed us so yeah so then i mean the boys got there eventually we gave everyone some money and then i was free to go i was just looking as you were talking about how fast seven hours is and for people in the uk seven hours is london to edinburgh Yeah, it's not in DRC.

1:22:34So if I go from London to Edinburgh in a car, that's seven hours, just to give people an idea of like how long that is on the back of a motorbike with strange men going through the middle of nowhere. We're literally going through the jungle. So it's like little tiny paths that are going up and down through rivers, through over mountains. For seven hours? Seven hours, yeah. I was like gripping on this. I was absolutely done in by the end of it. And you got to that village, they wanted money. Did they explain anything? Did they say anything to you? about who they were and I think I think they were I think they were actually just they were more scared about who I was why I was there and all the rest of it and the I mean after the the after the phone call with the team things seemed quite settled like the they they were pretty all right with me and they i think they you know it was i was i was just in a state of like totally totally whacked what do you mean just exhausted but like petrified and i was just very nervous around everything twitchy you know yeah have you suffered with anxiety i don't know I think I don't think so but like I do obviously I'm a human I do know what anxiety feels like and I do get it sometimes but I was I was anxious then for sure you're speaking to Emily back home your partner throughout um the journey on most days but for this period of time sounds like you were out of communication with her yeah she seems like she was very very worried about you she was yeah in fact she told she told us on a research call that she thought you had died yeah i mean i thought i was gonna die as well did you actually yeah genuinely thought you were gonna die yeah and how did you how do you sort of rationalize that thought how do you deal with that thought when you what comes to mind like what are you thinking if you if you really believe you know i think i'm gonna die here like i mean it's different i guess it's different for me i was just like you know if this is the way that god wants it then i guess it is that's it you know and there's more for me elsewhere that's how i was what that's how i was trying to make sense in my brain were you thinking about people back home

1:25:23yeah I mean I was thinking about

1:25:30I was thinking about like all the things that I wish I had the chance to repair that I haven't in relationship with my parents I was thinking about all the things that I wanted to do with my life that I wouldn't be able to do I was thinking about what it would do to you know, everyone that got myself killed in the congo for just trying to run the length of africa

1:26:04i felt stupid because i was like you know this was these were like mistakes that have been made that were like quite it should have been quite easily preventable that we didn't do and you know that's ultimately my responsibility as well so it was yeah it was a hard few hours you're thinking about things that you should have repaired with your parents it's interesting in moments like that people always talk about how they have a retrospective like clarity on their life and their priorities that most of us will never understand because we've never been in a situation where we've genuinely believed there was a chance that we weren't going to make it out when you say you were thinking about how you should have repaired relationships with your parents what do you mean i don't know i guess it's like you said it was a moment of clarity where i was like i've probably wasted a lot of years there holding on to things that weren't necessary you know for bullshit reasons and like life's too short for that

1:27:26what have you been holding on to? like resentment and pride and

1:27:34you know not not trying to understand all that avoiding things and not trying to connect with people that that love me and these kind of things you think these are your last hours you've obviously got a person there in your life who has loved you and has shown you a different way to connect and to be into intimacy and all the all of those things which is emily are you thinking about emily in those moments as well yeah i was

1:28:14yeah I mean I was thinking of like all the things that we talked about like our future together and everything that we wanted to build and like having kids together and all these things that just felt like they were just

1:28:38and how like just felt like I was letting her down and you know I wasn't like delivering the things that I I was going to run the length of effort everything's going to be alright like don't worry about you know all of these dangers, nah it's going to be fine baby and yeah I knew how much how hard that was that time was for her as well

1:29:15I mean especially I'm in the thick of it you know I'm in the thick of it she's like at home just thinking about it all the time and there was a few moments like that when we didn't have signal and things your boys eventually find you they pay off the uh the guys in that village and they let you go doesn't really stop there though does it because there's so much now to process and to figure out and to kind of that was i think the hardest point for us as a team of the mission was like the aftermath of that it's very difficult because i think we were all struggling everyone was right at their limit and probably because that no one had any spare energy to think about anyone else in that situation it was all like well i'm struggling so that's it you know and yeah i mean there was a good few arguments people don't really know about this moment no because people like me that just watch from youtube and from social media we just think oh they're all getting on it's all fine oh it's pissing blood again haha funny but when i when i did those research calls and spoke to members of your team and spoke to you know people around you and even members of the team that were out there with you this was really a a falling out amongst amongst the team that no one in the public ever got to see it's difficult one to talk about because i don't want to throw anyone under the bus or paint anyone in a bad like bad like we were all ultimately just trying our best i think for me what i recognized that i did wrong in that situation was i set us up in a bad way like i'd hired so heavily on content side because i knew that you know we started with no money we had to get content out there to get brands to sponsor us that i basically recruited three people that were almost entirely there for content reasons being able to make youtube videos take photos for a documentary this kind of thing i completely blindsided the logistics and element and like having knowledge of africa and all of this kind of stuff i just thought that's a luxury we can't afford right now because of that i'd ended up asking a support team that were mostly there for content to basically be like logistics african logistics experts and that's put them in a position it's obviously going to be really difficult so yeah I mean that the whole situation could have could have been avoided with different different planning I recognized that and I thought off the back of that I was like right I'm gonna get a four by four because the van can't travel up any of these dirt roads and I'm gonna hire two new people one of which is going to be like a proper logistics guy that's going to get us through all these tough situations a team member actually departed around this time as well yeah that was a difficult one um we actually we had a big argument me and harry had a big argument on just after this congo thing we were traveling back through these villages he'd obviously had a rough time as well trying he'd been scammed for motorbikes had this this dealings with the police chief and as we're coming back he was buying like fags and and alcohol and stuff in all these little tiny remote villages and i had an issue with it because we're going through some of the poorest places in the world there's kids running around with like malnourished bellies kind of feed themselves and you know as europeans if we bowl through these villages drinking and smoking blah blah blah then it's giving off the sign that We've got a lot of money to spare.

1:33:01And that's why we're getting scammed so much for extortionate amounts of money. So I had an issue with it and I told him. And I probably didn't say it in a way that was how good leadership would say it, you know. So we had a big argument about that. I've obviously just been in this rural village for a couple of days. I'm already, I'm tightly strong already. So is he. And then we get back to the other boys. These guys had no idea what just happened. and they were all struggling themselves so they were very much everyone was just concentrating themselves and they were all kind of like everyone was a bit pissed off with each other and then we had a meeting and I just blew up just blew up started shouting at everyone throwing chairs about completely lost my cool which is not not obviously not the way to act and yeah I mean it was it was awkward it was an awkward few days after that I was I just went straight back to running wanted to get out of DRC as quickly as possible it was everyone was in eggshells we got to Cabinda which is an Angolan exclave and then I said to I was like to Harry you're going on holiday and I said to the other boys you'll all be going on holiday at some point I think at that point I'd realized that for me I'm running every day my body's very stressed I'm very stressed in general I'm managing a lot of things and I can't have the people around me also being at the edge of what they can do because then it just leaves me in a totally fucked spot so I tried to kind of put some reorganize reshuffle things so that wouldn't happen by sending everyone holiday hired Gus hired Jamie another editor to take some workload off Stan because the geezer was working like 18 hours a day trying to get two YouTube videos out a week whilst recording and producing it I was like right need to change something there Gus ex-para from Dutch military he'd cycled up and down Africa by himself absolute beast of a bloke it's like he's coming in he's going to do our logistics and one of the best recruits I've ever made so um that's kind of how the aftermath happened as you continue on you have all of these issues you have a bunch more health issues your your back starts to give out i think around around two day 205 and 206 you completely stopped because you had back issues but the back was probably the worst injury i don't it's not even healed still but basically my back started seizing up and I would get like shooting nerve pains coming down my leg and it would just totally like totally jar I wouldn't be able to move or yeah I mean god knows what happened there I mean there's a chance that you've done permanent damage to your back probably yeah I mean I ran the marathon on Sunday and it was still going a bit so did you have to stop no but it's basically been on and off on and off very painful for the last kind of well whenever that was to day 205 since then emily said around that time that sort of 200 day mark you were like you were pretty done what does she mean by that when she's done i was in a lot of pain like every day so So I really just wanted it to be over at that point.

1:36:36And I still have like five months to go. You still have five months to go. Yeah. Yeah. Was that, I've heard you answer this question before, but what day was the closest to quitting? The closest where you thought, you know what, maybe the thought. The only time I ever really had the thought was in the Congo. Really? On the motorbike. Like, yeah, like that was the only time I actually ever actually thought, like, why am I doing this? This is stupid. You know, like, why am I going to get myself killed with this? And it was a fleeting fort, came in. And then I thought, I ain't got a fucking choice.

1:37:11I've got to do it now anyway. December time, which is day two for one. You're in, I think, the Ivory Coast. And the Ivory Coast think you're a spy. So they took you to the local police station because they thought you were a spy. Yeah, they were very confused. Did they tell you that they thought you were a spy? or did you just kind of piece that together? Yeah, it was more piecing that together. They were very confused about her, why I was there, why I was running in the middle of the night. And yeah, they made sure they did all their checks on me so that I wasn't any suspect individual. January comes around the new year.

1:37:50How do you celebrate Christmas out there and all that stuff? It was a back to basics kind of Christmas. We had chickens on the fire and it got a bit pissed. Missed the family? Christmas would have been a bit of a weird one for my family anyway. But yeah, like, I mean, it was business as usual. I think it was pretty much focused on the job and had a couple of drinks and that was that. one a day shortly after that um that really i think things took a bit of a turn in terms of publicity was when you reached algeria and you had the issues with your visa because algeria um as we said as a country that doesn't grant visas unless you're in your home country currently and so you were advised by the fco not to travel there um i believe i can't remember a lot of people advise us not to travel there and the algerian authorities were saying absolutely no to you to get to you getting a visa um so you decided to start an online campaign to try and like it's such a it's such an interesting thing because very few people would have a country say we're not going to give you a visa you cannot come into our country and you decide that the way to overcome that is with some tweets yeah it was bold strategy it was we were we were strategizing for a couple of weeks before that.

1:39:16Like, right, this, you know, we are backs against the wall here. What are we going to do? And we kind of, you know, Gus and Stan were putting together these kind of plans to get residency in Mauritania and then potentially, you know, do all of these little things to try and somehow get a visa. And I just got to a point where I said, like, boys, let's just tell Mary it. just get this just let's just blast it on socials because it's going to take someone right at the top to to say yes you know swing for the fences and that's what happened um you launched this kind of online campaign led predominantly by twitter to get someone in algeria someone high up or a politician in the uk to speak to algeria yeah the campaign goes pretty viral everyone's posting it in the UK so much so that even Elon Musk tweeted at one point which is bad basically saying that this is what this platform's for yeah what he loves about the platform that's sick and then Algeria tweet you basically saying we'll give you a visa on the spot which is mad isn't that actually mad when you think about where you came from yeah you've got Elon Musk tweeting and the like Algeria's Twitter account you're going come on in we're gonna we're gonna change our laws so that you can come through here.

1:40:37And Elon Musk's tweeting that. It's just mad. It was mad. It was absolutely crazy. And then you get through. You get your visa. You're able to enter Algeria. The Sahara Desert was another big challenge for you. You get to day 313, the truck breaks down in the Sahara Desert, 250 kilometers away from the nearest road. What I found so interesting about this little chapter in the story was that when we spoke to Stan, who was part of your team, on the research call, he says that you weren't really concerned because everyone just assumed everything would be fine we'd been through much worse um stan said that the resilience they had built up was accumulative and gradually they became less and less concerned about sex setbacks and i read that and it was really inspiring to me because it says something about life we all have these like subjective setbacks that we can like fall into a dark hole thinking like the end yeah it could just be like Jenny at work sat in our seat.

1:41:31Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas you're in the Sahara Desert and your truck is broken down 250 kilometres from the nearest road. The repair team can't fix it and you guys just shrug, it'll be fine. Barely even four day, mate, I can't lie. Really? Yeah, I remember just thinking, ah, that's a minor, we'll figure that out. Because you had so much evidence that you guys had been able to figure out so many other things. Yeah, and I think like by the end as well, like the team was so it was slick like the way everyone was operating with everyone knew what they had to do no one needed you know no one needed telling we all just got on with our jobs and the amount of output for four people was crazy that really is what resilience is people always ask like how do you become more resilient but it seems to your story taught me that it's like go through some difficult shit together and come out the other end yeah and you'll have evidence yeah and even if you you know go through some difficult shit and it doesn't work out then you've got a few lessons in there right so at least you survived right yeah that's a lesson um and then you get to the final leg of the trip and all of the people around you tell me that there was a noticeable increase in your sort of happiness and demeanor when you could start to see the finish line definitely in your mind you get what two weeks out and the social media interest goes pretty fucking crazy yeah yeah yeah even like mainstream media kind of picked up i think the last few days last few days yeah the whole of the uk only had one thing to talk about really yeah i'm sure it was you know very much the case in other parts of the world i saw news reports in america and other parts of the world but it felt like back here in the uk the uk was just talking about one thing really it was following you you know this surely you might your girlfriend and stuff must I told you it was fucking pandemonium it's every social you know I'd go on social media and anyone that I I knew was was posted about you um running that last leg driving money to those charities that mean a whole lot to you um as you come into that last leg that last day crowds of people like hundreds of people flew out there it's nuts absolutely nuts and they're running with you a lot of them I heard from some of your team I think Stan that was saying to me a lot of people flew out there but they were keeling over and like collapsing on the side of the road because i don't think they anticipated that this isn't london mate yeah it was so funny like um tunisia at that time wasn't even that hot coming from the uk everyone's just absolutely cooked and and you um you come into that that last day and your dad is there as well yeah yeah it was an emotional day man i met my dad came and ran he can only bang a two or three care out these days but he came around and um like put his arm around me and that and you know it's it's special your relationship with him started to pick up um as you got closer to the finish line it seems yeah i've heard that from a few people yeah uh throughout throughout the whole mission really i think but emily's definitely a big part of helping that.

1:44:44What was it like to see him? And where did you see him? Was it on the last day? On the last day,

1:44:51yeah, we ran a little bit, a couple of tears, just like... What were the tears for? I don't know, I guess it was like a signal that it was like, this is actually over now, you know, like my dad's here. And like, you know, everything that I've been through, but also like everything he'd been through, everything his dad's been through, felt like it just felt like a moment, you know? He was proud of you. Very, very proud of you. Very, very proud of you. We got to speak to him on the phone and hearing how proud of you he was was one of the most moving things I actually, of this whole experience of speaking to your friends and family, hearing just how proud your father is of you is, it moved me when I heard it.

1:45:38I actually... I couldn't believe it was my son, you know, crossing the line and it was sort of like not real sort of thing. You know, it's like, you know, but it took a while to see him still sinking in now really. And he went on to say, I couldn't be more proud of my son.

1:46:04Yeah, it's nice. It's powerful when your dad says that, isn't it? Always. Always. You crossed the line. How does that feel?

1:46:19Oh, yeah. I mean, that finish line honestly felt like a fucking mystical thing that was never coming for the longest amount of time. So the fact that it finally came was just like, wow, it's finally over, you know, like we actually did it. so yeah very grateful it's quite complex emotions i can see it in your face yeah what are those emotions i guess it's just like grateful that it all worked out you know and like all the hard work paid off and all the hard times paid off your girlfriend said that you um you walked over to the edge of the water and you reached the northern most point of africa and you saluted and to her that salute meant more than just a sort of random token gesture it was a salute in many respects to say you know there's certain chapters closed in my life now and there's certain things that i've i've proven i think maybe the right word there is proven

1:47:33yeah i think so hopefully what have you proven I guess I'm capable, you know, I can do it. Your mum was there as well? The whole gang? The whole team. Was that the best feeling of the whole journey? That end moment with your family was, because I heard you describe that the start was amazing, the first day. And in that moment, I imagine it's overwhelming for so many reasons. It's so much to process. So overwhelming, man. people are there and screaming and the cameras and the sky news are running alongside you it's like it looked batshit crazy i was watching it was it was totally mad i think the finish line was one of them things that was just so over like i don't know if you had it like when there's so much going on and it's so overwhelming you kind of like you it almost feels like an out-of-body experience and you're someone that's like lived most of their life in relative isolation yeah you like being alone yeah emily told me this she goes i think he's happiest when he's when no one's there yeah i do like being alone i do like it interesting still is like you get back to the uk and you've been running this crazy you've done this crazy thing for more than a year right it was 300 352 days i was out there for 14 months so 14 months you get back to the uk you land the weather's different obviously society's completely different yeah Now everybody knows who you are here.

1:49:05So wherever you go, someone's going, oh, you're the hardest geysie guy ever, fucking bitch, lad. How is that? I still think I'm kind of working that out at the moment. I don't really know. It's definitely different. But everyone's so nice. And I think the stories of people, they come up to me and they're like, I was running the marathon on Sunday and people were like, You're the reason I'm here and stuff. I'm like, that's kind of mad, but that's sick as well, you know? So. Are you feeling overwhelmed? Yeah, definitely. How do you know? Because I'm trying to distance myself from everyone and everything at the moment.

1:49:52Really? Yeah. Like, yeah. Just, I think my social batteries run out quite quick. And once that happens, I'm just like, well, I need to be alone. Immediately. Done. Can't speak. Done. And you're getting all these emails now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just like, well, I think there's a lot of things happening as well that I'm not, that I don't know how to handle properly, like emails and all these other things. You don't have management. You don't have anyone, an agent, nothing. I kind of need a moment to work out what I actually want to do. I think, but it's fine. Like, I'm not running Ultramath in the Sare Desire anymore.

1:50:30I can't, like, it's all right. you know when you were running that marathon you ran the london marathon like two days ago or something yeah that's a very public place to be yeah i didn't quite anticipate anticipate that i am i had some people that saw you down there and they were a little bit concerned really yeah because you looked a little bit overwhelmed yeah it was a little bit there was just a lot of people grabbing at you and stuff yeah yeah i mean people are nice so like they would they only had nice things to say to me it was just like so much like stimulation you know i mean i like it's just i was like i'm not used to this it's it i find it fascinating so you're at the very top of this mountain in terms of like publicity and attention and everyone's screaming and grabbing at you and wants you for stuff you've just done this incredible adrenaline inducing feet running the length of Africa.

1:51:24There's all of these chemicals in your body, the adrenaline, the endorphins, all that stuff that comes from endurance sports. Yeah. And then... Done. Done. Zero. Like, stop. Yeah. How's that? My body needed it. Yeah. It's absolutely, you know, bashed in. But it is also... It's been quite difficult to... I had such a solid routine every day for a year. It was like get up, run, break, eat, run, do the same, you know, every single day. And now the schedule is like wildly different. It's like, okay, wake up, interview here, or go and do this and then this, and, you know, meet this person, chat to that person.

1:52:11And I'm kind of missing that routine of exercising all the time. Kind of want to start that back up again pretty soon. maybe maybe not 60 or 70k a day but like I need I actually need that you know so how's your mental health I think I think it's fine I just need to get like I just need to get a few things sorted like I haven't got a place to live yet or I don't really I don't know the immediate next steps like career-wise what I'm going to do and a lot of things have changed obviously so it's just working out a lot of all of this stuff but I think when there's that many uncertainties in your life it all it's always going to create a certain level of like mental challenges so I just need to figure them out and then I'll be all right you know you must get bored of people asking you what's next because it's so this is what everyone asks when everyone doesn't when anyone does anything interesting yeah like what's next they want to know yeah yeah the next challenge i have got a lot of ideas i think like one of the big things that i'd be really what i really love to do is

1:53:23in some way be part of like documenting other people's journeys when they go on you know they're starting from somewhere and they're they've got this big thing that they want to do and just like either helping them or being like in some way do it so I'd really love to try and do more of that the last year as well like one of the things I struggled with is it like it was so much everything it was geared towards basically helping me run and I've had enough of that you know all of my support team were there basically to facilitate me running as far as I can every day and it would be nice to do things for other people more than just everyone doing things for me that's an interesting thought you've had enough of that enough of it being about you yeah it's interesting Russ because you're someone that quite clearly through your story once likes being alone and like low-key under the radar do their own thing spend time in my own head and then exactly that doing exactly that in in you running the length of Africa being alone out there in the desert alone has built this massive fucking audience yeah and all these people watching you that are now like very much compromising in some respects obviously there's so much privilege and stuff that comes with it but they're compromising the very thing that you love the most which is you running from london to asia alone asia to london alone um on your own with the hammock it's never quite going to be the same you know i'm saying you can't even walk down the street in London you were like a really distinctive notice recognizable guy as well because the ginger beard and stuff yeah yeah well I think it will like it will die down like eventually so I think it's gonna be all right it's just different yeah it's just yeah it's just different just different in a new set of problems I guess yeah to manage and stuff yeah you did all of this you know to have the experience you inspired all these people along the way and obviously central to this was the running charity they do incredible work for people kind of like yourself that are in that situation where you're looking for guidance yeah you're looking for a sense of purpose and meaning etc etc um how much how much what was the goal fundraising goal yeah what's your fundraising a million a million yeah and what are you on at the moment when i checked yesterday i think it was Mine's 70.

1:55:52I'm not exactly sure what it is now. You've been down to see the work that this charity do, haven't you? I've worked with the charity for like years. You know, I used to, before I left, I was the adventure guy. So I'd take people, take groups of people up climbing mountains or out into nature and we'd do stuff. I did stuff with fundraisers who were raising money for the charity. I mean, I did the Aged London Run for the Running Charity as well. So I've been involved for four or five years. well i have to say russ you um you inspired millions of people you don't know this but like when i'm in the gym yeah and i start thinking about quitting the whole time you're in africa i was like fucking russ is running three marathons today what the hell am i doing thinking about quitting and it was this thought in the back of my head that helped me over and over again when i was in difficult moments when i'm in the gym when i'm thinking about quitting when i'm thinking about not even doing the workout and i'm like that guy's going to be up today running another 20k well 60k or 100k yeah so it was it was even like at this motivational force for me in my life and i'm really really appreciative of that but i also know because i've seen the messages and i've seen the dms that for many people out there that are russ at 19 that don't know the path forward that don't have guidance that don't have something to aim at you've given them a blueprint for how to turn your life around and there's you've given 19 year old russ all the 19 year old rushes out there a blueprint for how to turn your life around and you've given them evidence that it's possible and people in that situation as you are they don't always believe it's possible you described the hopelessness and the helplessness of that situation that's exactly what you've done and also you've raised a shit ton of money now your goal was to raise a million pounds which is a ridiculous amount of money um um So before we sat down, I made a few phone calls.

1:57:45you know i'm an investor in a few companies and i'm on the board of a few companies so i called julian hern at huel and i said listen wouldn't it be great if uh huel could get behind this and and make sure he hit that target now there you go wow they've donated the remainder of the cash to for your fundraising so you've hit the million pounds and we wanted to say a huge well done and congratulations on behalf of all of us here. Thank you so much, man.

1:58:33Is Emily here? There she is, coming in.

1:58:43oh sweet thank you so much man no man thank you absolutely incredible and i know the the team at perfect ted here they've could you chuck me this um daiquiri thing on here this one yeah again i'm an uh an investor in this company and uh we we have a partnership together they've also energy produced the hardest energy which is a limited edition strawberry daiquiri flavored perfect ted which will be on sale and i think the proceeds much of the proceeds of this will be donated towards this campaign as well um it begs the question why strawberry daiquiri for some people that don't know why strawberry daiquiri i don't even know like it just ended up becoming a thing that i was saying towards throughout the mission i'd be like get me to tunisian beach for a strawberry daiquiri and it was in my head and then we finally got it done and they're here as well so we'll we'll include the link to buy this in the description below so anyone that wants to celebrate your incredible achievement with us will be able to do so we do have a last tradition on this podcast we it's not usually how they end but um where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for so if it's a good one there's two questions interestingly i'm going to ask you both questions because they're both applicable okay so first question is if there was a movie about your life which i'm sure there will be who would you want to play you ron wheezy

2:00:03okay in question number two what place do you feel the most comfortable in and why one of the things that i just love doing the most is mid-run going to tesco getting some snacks and just sitting outside tesco on the pavement eating my snacks it's my favorite place ever love doing that very relatable as always russ thank you so much honestly of everything i said then about the inspiration you've given me is completely true and I I know that there's so many people out there that feel the same way and you've made me want to aim higher in some of the things that I do in my life and pursue bigger challenges and really push myself to the limits because as you've proven in your life all of the good things are on the other side of some form of discomfort the purpose the meaning the connection as you've proven and like so many people at the moment in society are suffering with their mental health with a lack of sort of a sense of meaninglessness and you're this like this shining example for all of us this North Star of this first step we have to take to go on that incredible journey so thank you so much Ross mate thanks for everything you've done man I can't honestly I can't thank you enough you made it happen as well so amazing

2:01:27Thank you.