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26:32And so once you have that, you can program physical reality, including conscious states, including the Earth health, including our health and wellness, all things become possibilities. Do you, are you talking about kernel? No, no, I had a venture fund. Okay. Yeah. What is kernel? What are you doing with kernel? Kernel is a way for us to use science and data to build our best cognitive existence. So like, for example, it's easy for each of us to get on a scale and see our weight. And when we see weight is climbing very quickly, we think that's not a good situation because that leads to bad health outcomes.

27:10I don't feel great. And so there's like a, it's a good feedback mechanism for how am I doing my health with my weight. We don't have the same equivalent for our brains. You can get an MRI or you can get a PET scan. They're great, but they're hard to get. They are expensive. It's very laborious to actually do it. We need to be able to acquire information about our brains as easy as it is to step on a scale and get our weight. And that's what we built a kernel is to buy a element you put on your head and you find out important information about your brain. I had my brain scan last week. Have you seen your brain?

27:44Of course you've seen your brain. Did you find out anything about your brain? I did. Well, I wanted to demonstrate that you could ask a question what happens when and then take a given thing about the brain. Like what happens when I do a psychedelic? What happens when I play a game? What happens when I don't sleep well? What happens when and all the things we do that affects our brain. And in this case, I was a pilot participant for ketamine. So we run a 15 % ketamine study. Ketamine is an anesthetic. Also used to tranquilize horses. Also a party drug. And so I received a dose of ketamine into my arm.

28:16And then I was in that experience for 45 minutes. And what we saw was interesting that I had my brain measured for 10 minutes a day for five days before during the ketamine experience and then 14 days afterwards. And I think that was the most interesting thing is my brain patterns. Like if you think about the patterns, like imagine you're looking at planet Earth and there's airports all over the earth. And you're seeing traffic patterns between each airport. So between Tokyo and New York, there's a lot of traffic, London and New York a lot of traffic. But between, you know, smaller cities, you have just a few planes here and there.

28:45There's big traffic patterns in our brains of where activity is happening. And those patterns tell you things about yourself. Like it sounds like you had some analysis done. And when I did ketamine, when I did the five days of measurement, my patterns on my brain were stable. Every single day, they were the same. The same traffic from the same place to and from. And then when I did ketamine, it scrambled all of my patterns. It's like you took the globe and you just like remapped where all the airports were. And like, okay, planes start flying. And then over on day three, four, my patterns started forming again back in a similar way.

29:24And so there was that two to like one to three day therapeutic window where I was very open to new pattern creation. And it was, there's just Joe come on my colleagues where we were walking from one meeting to another. And there was a wall that it was in front of us. And I, this is day two after I took ketamine. And I thought, I'm gonna jump over the wall. Like that seems like a fun idea. Why not? So I just spontaneously jumped over the wall. And then all my colleagues were like, what are you doing? We're in a work environment. We don't jump over walls. And I hadn't thought about it in that frame.

29:57But I wonder if in that moment I was open to doing something different and unique that I normally wouldn't have done. Because I had this opening. But it was cool to see my patterns where they were, how they changed, and how they reformed. And some kind of window they opened up as how I could remap my own experience. I mean, that's probably a pretty compelling case for psychedelics as it relates to mental health. And, you know, we think of some mental health disorders as being stuck in patterns. Patterns of thinking, patterns of belief, patterns of behavior. There's been quite incredible clinical studies done to show the impact that something like psilocybin, or I began to have on addiction or depression.

30:37What's your view on psychedelics? They're powerful. Yeah, and I hope that colonel accelerates their progress. Because most of the measurements are done through questionnaires. You're asking the person how they felt and their perspective. But we know that our subjective experiences are not terribly reliable. Like, after I had ketamine, if I were to use words to explain what I experienced, I don't know. If I'm asked on day three, how I felt in day one, it's hard to remember. Now, you can journal and try to make more detailed notes. But it's really hard to subjectively account for your brain. And so having a system that tracks the data, removes some of that challenge.

31:20And it could help usher in psychedelics for much broader adoption, much faster. Because you've got data to support what you're trying to demonstrate. Have you tried all the psychedelics?

31:34Are you asking? I've had some experiences. Mushrooms. I've done mushrooms. What do you think? Really interesting experience. Did it change your opinion or your perspective of your own mind? Yes. I was overseas. I think I was in Peru or something. And I was at a mushroom ceremony, whatever. And I'd taken the... Even at the charm and whatever had given me. And I didn't think it was working. So I went over and sat down on my laptop. Yeah. Really fucking bad idea. And for whatever reason, and this is so on me, I clicked on Netflix. Because everyone was over there and they were all having their experience.

32:23I thought, I'll just watch something on Netflix. And I don't even watch Netflix. I clicked something on Netflix. And as I'm watching it, it's like some... I don't know, some reality TV thing. And it just becomes really apparent to me that these people's values that I'm watching are like really bad. They're all like bitching about each other and they're all being mean to each other. And at that very moment, the world started to just spin and shake. And I put the laptop away and went and joined the gang. We're at about 35 notes of handwriting. Again, I never write with my hands about connection.

32:54And in that moment, I learned that, like, my perception on reality is so fragile. And so what do I believe? You know, if this experience that I'm having with you now, this perception of reality is that fragile. That one little capsule that I can just shake it all, then Jesus is a... I can't trust much, can I? I love that so much. That's so beautiful. Like, what do we really know about anything? And, like you said, like, this one little plant and you eat it, you ingest it. And then somehow your reality is absolutely transformed into something that you never imagined was possible. But then you come right back.

33:42You do. And this is also the frame around, like, don't die. So I understand before our time and place right now, like in the 19th century, sure. Do your thing because you're going to die and that's fine. But right now, I guess with your mushroom experience, do you feel open to the idea that we may acquire new capabilities of conscious experience creation that could make your reality more interesting and more worthwhile, like whatever, than anything you could ever imagine? Yes, but it also could not. Sure. Because I just don't know. So again, it goes back to like, it's hard for people to bet on uncertainty in their lives.

34:28People don't, who wants to bet on, I don't know. Interesting. Are you basically impartial? I'm kind of good with what life's like now. I think life's quite cool now. I think I still feel like I'm bending reality by the way that I live my life and the things I've achieved. And I still feel like I've got more mountains to climb in my life and higher peaks to see. So, are you sure I'm saying? Yeah, so it's not really about a dissatisfaction so much now as the driver. It's that the possibilities are a motivator that you, if you say, it's just the possibility, something you've not experienced, a new reality you could experience, like some were walking into the cradle of superintelligence.

35:19Okay, so let's define superintelligence just in case it's someone's lost us along the way. Okay. When you say superintelligence, you're talking about artificial intelligence and computers that are infinitely more intelligent than we are and how we can interface with that intelligence to bring, make our lives and our decisions and our capabilities better. That's right. The computational intelligence on their future timelines are going to be far superior to our form of intelligence. Like how and when and what forms, no one knows. But if you look at the trajectory of the speed, it's fast. It's faster than our minds can comprehend.

36:01And so, whatever comparison you want to make, like whether you're an ant relative to us or whatever the version is or a homorectus to us, we don't know those details on what their experience is. But if you just try to think about the scale of intelligence and what that experience may be like, even though we don't know, but your response is informative for me. I have a bias and this goes back to my blindness. I think this idea of walking into the cradle of artificial superintelligence and the ability to engineer all of reality is the coolest opportunity, maybe in the known galaxy. What's the most compelling argument you've had against your do not die position?

36:49The one that troubles you the most? I'm entirely unconvinced by any argument that I've ever heard about it. Are you entirely convinced by the do not die argument? I'm convinced through the thought experiment I did. If I try to transport myself to the 25th century. Of course, they have a detached, cold, soberness, objective soberness looking back to the 21st century that we don't. We look back at the history and we can see with clarity what were so caught up in this moment were blinded by so many of these realities. I'm convinced by my thought experiment that they look back and be like, of course, in the early 21st century, homo sapiens figured out that they had developed the technology to continually expand their life.

37:42And that, the homo sapiens culture shifted to the preservation of life. Whereas right now we're all on the death track and then we play all the fun games along the death track. But we just have to shift the entire zeitgeist where we do the exact opposite of what we're doing today. Instead of embracing and celebrating death rituals, we move entirely to life extension rituals. Do you think living forever is possible or even reverse reversing age? Yeah. So basically with all the arguments, I come down to this idea. This is a kin to us, to us interviewing homo rectus a million years ago. And asking homo rectus to make observations on what it's going to be like to be homo sapiens a million years later.

38:34Have our kind of cognition, have our technology. Homo rectus would have nothing, like almost nothing useful to say. Do we care what they want or don't want what they're scared of? Do we value it in any way? It's interesting from just an observational perspective. But do we really think that homo rectus has wisdom of some sort? That would allow us to step into this existence. And that's why I think that we're at now. We're basically, we're sufficiently primitive in our thought. I don't believe in anything we say as it relates to the future. Because the intelligence we're walking into is so far superior to ours.

39:19Why would we even begin to imagine that we can express an opinion that is meaningful? Do you see it almost like we're walking into a different species of human? Entirely. I mean, unquestionably that's happening. One of the really interesting things that's going on is this thing called CRISPR. Genetic engineering. What is that? CRISPR, genetic engineering. I know you did some kind of DNA therapy, didn't you? I did. I did my first gene therapy. Gene therapy, yeah. Yeah. What is all of that? What's the promise that it holds for us? CRISPR, genetic engineering, and what is your gene therapy? Currently there is a ceiling on human lifespan, like 120 or so.

39:59If you live a life a certain way and you're given a genetic lottery, then you can do that. But to punch through 120 is very difficult through lifestyle and diet and exercise. To really punch through the ceiling, you need to start working at the genetic level. So whether you're doing a gene therapy, whether you're doing CRISPR, there's a variety of ways you can start modifying your genetic code. And this has the power of potential to punch through the ceiling. So explain that to an idiot. Gene therapy is injecting genes into you, someone else's genes, genes that have been made in a laboratory. Well, yeah.

40:43So this one is, I just got two injections on either side in my obliques here. And what it does is it expresses the protein full statin. And so basically, I, before I have a certain level, I'm like, I'm like eight or nine, and once you get the therapy, you're higher, like 20, 30s, 40s. And so it's just increasing, it's increasing the amount of full statin in my body. And so like one way to understand this is when you work out, mild statin, lessens the amount of muscle growth that can happen, full statin suppresses mild statin, so you have more muscle mass. But it has a whole bunch of other effects as well.

41:22This gene therapy didn't change my actual genes. It just increases the expression of full statin in my body. And how do you know if it works? Measure them. So yeah, I do routine. Well, so there's a few things you're doing. We're measuring this via my blood. What are my full stat levels before and after? And then we're also measuring my body with MRI. And so because I'm the most measured person in history, we have this interesting vantage point where we can see across my entire body from my muscle and my fat and bone and speed and DNA methylation patterns from my speed of aging to my brain health, like working at hundreds and a hundred data points to see what effect it has.

42:03And have you found an effect yet? Our first results are coming back next week. Someone like me who is on the high street per se, what are the supplements that are on the high street that do actually work for anti -aging? Because people talk about NAD plus and stuff. And there's all these clinics now popping up all over London, where you can sit in the chair for two hours and have the little drip in your arm and stuff. And I did it once, because my friend did open the place. And I had a very hot chest, like a burning feeling in my chest. I don't know if it's done anything for me. So I've just got, it goes back to what I said earlier, you're just going to kind of believe in it or not like a religion.

42:40Yeah, I mean, it's best to measure it. So you're trying to change your intracellular NAD. I'm sure other people don't measure it there, so it doesn't work. The drips don't. The drips don't work. You want sustained levels of NAD. And so we, yeah, so I mean, we extensively measure my NAD levels. And we've tested NMN, we've tested NR, we've looked at all the different modalities. You want sustained levels. So my levels when I first started, I think they were equivalent of something like 47 years of age. And now they're reliably age 18. Like I have that much, I have age 18 levels of NAD, interstingly NAD.

43:21And we dialed that dosage in because I was able to measure it. And the challenge, of course, is when you do these things have hazardly, get a drip or whatever, it's what you're saying. It's a story. It's a market, it's clever marketing, it's happy faces. It's what your friends are doing, but it's not based on any reality. You need to see it working in your body, otherwise, be careful when you're doing it. So the only reason it doesn't work is because it's not sustained. But it would work if it was sustained. So if I did that every week, then it would work. You have to consider the half life. Okay.

43:55So I don't know all the data on the drips. I know the data much better on NMN and NR. But those things then, you take them orally? Yeah, orally every day, twice a day. Twice a day. And those things work. Yeah. Yeah, they reliably maintain my ICT levels at an 18 -year -old level. What are some of those big anti -aging therapies or businesses or supplements that most people have just thrown themselves into or habits, sometimes longevity habits, that are just a load of B .A. I mean, most everything. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Give me some examples. We, I mean, everything listed on the Blueprint website is three years of our effort to try to figure out what has scientific evidence, what can we do in me and measure it and then make it that out.

44:51Yeah, because I want to make sure I avoid both advertising. That's right. I've got suckered down to do that bloody NAD dript think I was going to be an 18 -year -old. That's right. So I don't want to do that again. What do I need to avoid? I mean, for example, one thing that works is extra virgin olive oil. Well, here's what I brought with me out here. Yeah, so you sent me this. I did. I sent you that. In the post. Yeah, I mean, so we tried to... Or anywhere that I can't see, I've got a black bottle of extra virgin olive oil that had sent me about a month ago. It said on the front, Blueprint, Brian Johnson, ultra premium extra virgin olive oil, completely all black bottle.

45:29It looks like a wine bottle. Or on the back of it, it says, with the goal of slowing his speed of aging, Brian Johnson allocates 15 % of his precise daily calorific budget to this extra virgin olive oil. It is rich in polyphenols, which studies show a competitive safeguard against various cancers, cardiovascular diseases, diabetes and neurodegenerative conditions by providing a better reduction of oxidized LDL than regular EVO extra virgin olive oil. Interesting. So that's the question. What things can I do in my life that are easy and actionable and have a high impact? Extra virgin olive oil is very close to number one.

46:14You're really? Why? Because all the things it says on the back? Yeah, when you... There you go. Well, that is not how you meant to have that. It's spicy. Yeah. You put some pepper in there. That's what premium olive oil tastes like. It's good oil. It's good old virgin olive oil, but nobody should... It's not nice to drink extra... Oh, it feels quick. It's very thick and smooth. Interesting. Yeah, peppery and smooth. If you look at the evidence we just shared about what this does, it's unbelievable in the ways it improves health and wellness. It's better than ozempic. Really? It is. Okay, so explaining what ozempic is, that's a diabetes drug that people are using to at least wait.

47:06Yeah, ozempic is like the fire alarm.

47:12So, for example, there's a study where people lost 5 .2 pounds taking an EVO, consuming EVO for nine weeks. In addition to what they're currently eating? Yeah. Yeah. And when you say taking what you mean to sprinkling on top of my food? Yeah, I think the quantity for that study was, I think, 45 ml daily or something like that. It's between 30 and 60 ml daily. But there's things, for example, like it reduces by over 60 % invasive breast cancer. It reduces your blood sugar levels by 60 % post -amil and your oxidized LDL levels. These are the bad thing in your body that's causing damage by 80 % post -amil.

48:01I have a tablespoon with every single meal and it's like the super of super foods. And the problem is most of the olive oil in the world does not meet the quality thresholds to make it useful. So, you think you're consuming olive oil that's actually doing it, having the health benefits. If it doesn't meet very specific criteria, it won't do it for you. So, when do we get it? This is what I've tried it. This is why I solved it because we basically trying to find a olive oil that you can verify meets the specs is very challenging. So we built a supply chain across both hemispheres to acquire the best olive oil in the world to make it just easy.

48:42You can trust it, the data is shared, and the health benefits are supported by evidence. And this is available online. Everyone can buy this. Yeah. It's exciting. But that's an easy one to do. Go to bed on time and drink your olive oil. You've got something down there on the floor, but you didn't tell me what it was. What is it? Yeah, I brought you two things today. OK. One, I brought you a test. OK, what is it? This test. OK, that's the test. It's your speed of aging test. Oh, shit. So, everybody should know three things. How much do you weigh? How fast you're aging? And the duration of your nighttime erections.

49:25Is that what they have in their hands? That's the other dice. Oh, shit. So, basically, yeah. So, both of these are going to give you a good baseline with where you're at in life. So, how do I do this? I can administer that test for you, if you want. So, what it requires is, break your finger, get a little blood, put it on the card, and then we'll send it to the processing, to the center where they're going to process it, and you'll get your results back. And it will tell you how fast your aging clock is internally. How does it know that from a prick of blood? Because your body leaves chemical signatures that reveal the data.

50:13OK. And then I can reverse that presumably. Yes, you. Yes, exactly. So, if you, let's say you get a result back, and let's just say it's one. So, your aging, I can normal person would, average person. You could potentially slow your speed of aging to 0 .6, which means, while all of your friends are aging at a normal rate, you would get September, October, November, and December for free. I'd love that. Yeah. How? Olive oil goes sleep, exercise, you could diet, don't smell. It's the basic stuff. The basic stuff. And what is this other contraption that you should use? That is how you can measure your night time erections.

50:56I mean, where am I going to put that? Yeah. So, you put it on your shaft, and just gently, yeah, there you go. Gently pull that. And so, you put, there you go. Put on the mic. Yeah. Mic a little bit bigger. You got to do it. Yeah. And then you put it on the base. And you think you presume that it's going to be an irritation that's going to bother you, you're going to feel it. Once you put it on and you go to sleep, you can't feel it. You don't know. What is it like vibrating the night or something? So, yeah. And it does. There's no vibration. But you have erections throughout the night. Yeah. And when you can correct the expansion of your penis will be captured by that device and it will show how many a wreckage you had and for what duration and what strength.

51:53And I've got you. So, you put your, you put your, you go to sleep, you put your penis inside it like that. And then when you have an erection during the night, you'll expand and log it. Yes. And then you'll keep logging every time you have an erection in the night. That's right. And then we'll tell you, you had four erections tonight during that duration of sleep. They were 47 minutes, 31 minutes, 55 minutes and whatever. And of this strain, of this quality of erection type. And then this data, it's really important because it represents psychological health, sexual health, cardiovascular health.

52:27It is basically, people are not familiar. You go to the gym and build big biceps or whatever. But people are not familiar that nighttime erections are actually a meaningful health indicator. And so you've been measuring your nighttime erections. I have. And what have you found out and how have you been able to improve it? Yeah. My average right now is two hours and 12 minutes. So you're erected at night for two hours and 12 minutes? Yes. What are you dreaming about? So the thing is, we're not aware of our erections most of the time. And so my current erection amount is equal to roughly my chronological age.

53:03For me to be equal to an 18 year old, I would need three hours and 30 minutes of nighttime erections. So that's the goal we're trying to achieve is we're basically, I mean, no one's ever done this before. We're trying to figure out, can you improve nighttime erection? Do you put this on your penis every night? No. Just in, I'll do it three to five days in a row. So most nights of the week you'll put this on your penis? I'm sorry. So I'll do, for example, in like, oh, okay, like a month. Yeah. In like a month or two months. I'll do if I three to five. And it depends on what therapies we're doing.

53:37And so what I coupled up with that is we're trying to, I want brain grow up. I'm just playing with it. It's interesting. Yeah. I coupled this up with a focus shockwave therapy. And so there's this technology you have a wand and you sit in a chair and then the technician uses the wand and basically shocks your penis through the acoustic technology. And it's like, it does the same thing as workouts doing where you're creating micro injuries so that it rebuilds. And so this technology is used for all over the entire body. If you're trying to heal an ACL or you're trying to rejuvenate the knees, the joints, shoulders.

54:29So the technology that has broad range of applications, it's also used for erectile dysfunction. So while my scores are, I have no sexual dysfunction. I score perfect in every category. We're wondering if you take this therapy, this focus shockwave therapy and if it will just basically rejuvenate the penis and increase night to directions. Is there any early evidence that that's working? Yes. I've been shocked by the results. I'm now two months in. My subjective experience is as if my penis has gotten like 15 years younger. So we're still in the early stages. We do the measure. We need data before we're going to believe anything subjectively.

55:16I'm in. When you say shock, do you mean a painful shock or is it like a, you know, like a, the kind of shock you're painful? Is it like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a feeling or is it like a, like a, like a, is it painful? It's painful. Yeah. You need to be focused. Like you need to do pain management. Yeah. It's interesting. It's, uh, it's like, uh, maybe a seven out of 10, but then once you get to the tip, it's like, oh, no, they got to suck the whole thing. Yeah. It's like a nine out of 10 because you, the tip you have improved sensitivity. So it, it generates in addition to what we're trying to do with the night have erections, it also improves, um, erection strength and orgasm pleasurability.

56:01So it has all kinds of benefits. I'm trying to figure out physiologically what's going on there. So you shock the penis. You give a big electric shock to the penis and then it rebuilds like a muscle wood. Yes. And that causes it to be more effective going forward. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, yeah, acoustic technology. So it's not like an electrical shock. I, this kind of brings, I guess this brings me in part to the thing you use on your abs, the 20 K set up machine thing. I, I, when I was younger in my house, I think my mum bought it in a catalog. She had one of those machines that she put on her abdomen and it gave her an electric shock, like, and it, like kind of vibrated.

56:39And I just always thought it was BS. Yeah. I thought the whole industry was just BS. People feel like it's doing something so they think they're going to get abs, but you've got like a really extensive, impressive machine that does a similar thing. Mm -hmm. Yeah, using electromagnetic frequency. And it works. It does. How do you know? We've looked at it for the MRI. And the muscles are being like broken down and regenerated from the electric shock. Yeah. Yeah. We've been treating. So you, you've got, have you got a six pack? I suppose it's defined, to some extent. You're going to have to show us.

57:15Yeah. With your permission, of course, because we don't force people to undress on this show. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Like, yeah, you've gotten, yeah, yeah, I won't show mine. Not right now. I've been in that for a couple of years. Oh, wait, I showed you mine. Yeah, but it's, it's, it's, you've been taking this for three years. This line, yeah. I'm new. I've, I'm going to work my way up with the penis shock thing and then I'll get to the abs. Can you imagine being in a conversation and everyone else knows their erection, the net tamer actions and you don't? Like, can you imagine the embarrassment you'd feel?

57:51No. I can't imagine. No one I know is how long they're around for a nice plan. I'm playing. I'm playing. I'm playing because I think it's, of course, it's a novel idea. Nobody measures their erections. It's not part of a social norm, but you can imagine the humor of view, finding someone having a casual conversation of like, yeah, I had a really great night, sleep last night, new peak record on erection duration and erection. No, it's going to become a thing I know it is because sexual health and sexlessness and relationships and libido are actually a really big topic at the moment for a lot of people.

58:24I've been in relationships where there's been libido issues and things like that. And I've got friends that have got libido issues and sexual health issues and things like that. So we joke about it, but they're, it's not a joke for a lot of people and it can lead to relationships breaking down and families breaking down. Yeah. So I don't, I do think it's a serious topic. And if this therapy can help people get their erections back and bring their sex life back, then that's an amazing thing. Yeah. Yeah, the testimonials of the technology are pretty compelling. People with ED that it's causing a significant problem of their own self -confidence of their partners.

59:04It's a big deal. When you can't get erect, it's a very big problem. Your penis is 15 years younger, you believe? I mean, this is a subjective assessment. It's just like, you know, as you age, your body becomes less firm and more saggy, right? Across muscle, skin, penis, like you just lose structure across your entire body. And it's improved the structure of my penis. Your hair looks like it's changed as well since we last spoke. You look like you've got a full ahead of hair. What's been going on there? The protocol I have is I do a platelet -rich plasma every 30 to 60 days. So that is the process where you draw blood from a vein.

59:51You spin it up and you separate the blood from the plasma and you take the plasma. And then we add A cell and do testaride. So it's a concoction of plasma, A cell, do testaride. And it's a total volume of between 13 -15 milliliters. And then it's injected across the entire head, or in the areas that would be balding. And then I also do red light therapy daily, which we spoke about, where that cap for six minutes. And then I have a nightly concoction that includes a few things like matoxidil and a few others. This is all on my website. So the recipe, the protocol, it's all there for everybody. But I mean, I started losing my hair in my early 30s.

1:00:41And it's really hard to, with my genetics, it's very, very hard for me to maintain hair. So I've had to work very hard at it. What is hair loss anyway? Why does my hair recede? What's going on? It doesn't happen in women. Yeah, I know. Typically. Yeah, it's really quite annoying that it's such a big problem. I wish I didn't have to pay attention to it as much as I do. Why? Just requires constant attention. And it's a, the technology is not that great yet. You're basically trying to slow the process. You're trying to improve follicle strength. You're trying to prevent future damage. But it's not like something where I could, like a gene therapy where I, with two injections, I, you leveled it up.

1:01:35Three or four X, the production of that, critical biochemical, my body. It's not the case. There's now there's technology people are working on for cloning. So you take a few of your follicles, you clone that and you re -impl - you put them in. So basically like doing a, a hair transplant, but you're cloning. You're doing your own, your own hair. So there's other technologies that are emergent that are promising there to not a market yet. So it's, it's hard and it's like being as a man, being bald is a meaningful thing, right? It's a, it's a significant psychological situation. So I can be, look, if you take through the issues of B of, like a man would really struggle with psychologically, you know, being bald, not being able to have erections, like those, those are like two of your top five things.

1:02:20And so as, you know, I hope that the things I talk about publicly help break the stigma around it. So that people feel hope they can do something about it. They don't have to hide it. It's challenging and it's heavy to deal with it. What do you think about air quality? I've been thinking a lot about this. I had James Nester on this podcast. He was talking to me about the harm of like in room CO2 and stuff like that. Yeah, I agree. My house is, I have devices around the entire house measuring those things every moment of every day. And I have air filters in every room. And so the quality in my house is pristine.

1:03:01And Los Angeles, the air quality is not great. And so I typically will avoid significant outdoor activities on days where the air quality is particularly bad. But I'm always aware of it. So I have monitors in my house that tell me the outdoor air quality and the indoor air quality in every room. What's the harm that you're trying to avoid? It's damaging. There's like the the the P2, the 2 .5. There's a few things that are very damaging and they can get lodged, for example, in your lungs. And it's very hard to get it out. So there's a lot of sustained damage that's just hard to undo. Eight. Yes.

1:03:37Eight's tollo. So how many? Eight tollo. Kate, will you come on out? Kate is a 27 year old format fashion strategist and is Brian's chief marketing officer. But she's also the first woman to ever sign up and follow the blueprint way of living. In Kate's here. Q1 is often when businesses start implementing new systems and processes in hopes of creating efficiencies for the year ahead. And over the course of my career, I've learnt just how crucial having the right systems in places. One which has helped me across many of my investments is NetSuite. They're also a sponsor of this podcast. NetSuite is the number one cloud financial system through their streamlined platform.

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1:04:53That's netsuite .com slash Bartlett. Okay, so Brian, who is hate to you?

1:05:07Kate had the pioneering spirit that helped give birth to Blueprint. We began working together at Colonel. We were focused on measuring the brain and how humans could co -evolve with AI. And we started talking about the possibilities of what Blueprint could be. The project was underway and we were trying to figure out how we could communicate this. And Kate saw the potential immediately and has been building this with me for several years. Why did you decide to work with Brian and why did you decide to develop Blueprint? I grew up in a very small town with a very small field of view. And as I got more experience in the world, that view opened farther and further.

1:05:54And I was in New York and I was working in fashion at the time. And I was sitting in a cafe and I'd spent the year learning about AI coming to mainstream. And how was the human species going to deal with this? And I felt very strongly the only way to proceed forward as a species would be to latch ourselves onto AI and to merge with AI in some way. And so I was in this position where I had all of this energy and I was like, I want to throw it out there into the world. I don't want to do anything in my own. And there weren't many people talking about this as a problem. One day I was sitting in a cafe and I got an email in my inbox from Singularity University.

1:06:29And it included a quote from this man, Brian Johnson back in 2016. And it referenced merging with AI and I thought, that's the person that I want to work with and throw my energy toward. And so I reached out to him and across like every medium. So literally his media, modicles, email, social media and I never heard back. And then year after year, I just kept pinging him and pinging him and then eventually I moved out to LA to work with Brian. And what do you do for Brian? You say you like to work with Brian? I intentionally keep it very vague because we do everything together. We are two peas in a pod and from the very beginning, you know, both at Colonel and at Blueprint, we've just done anything and everything that needs to be done.

1:07:17My background is creative, so I lean more towards that side of things, so the marketing and just general brand design, that kind of stuff. But yeah. And you've become the first woman to follow the Blueprint Protocol? That's right. Yes. I remember hearing about the Blueprint Protocol last time we had this conversation. And one of the things that stood out to me is the amount of sacrifice that goes into living in line with it. Things like getting up at a certain time and then going to sleep at a certain time and things that you eat. Are you following all of that? Yes. I'm definitely not as extensive as Brian is because I've just started the protocol, but that was a big decision factor for both of us when we're considering this.

1:07:58One is it is incredibly laborious on our team to bring up another person, but not only that, it means completely changing my lifestyle. And so when we were contemplating doing this decision, I really gave it a lot of serious thought because I know that the public could go to follow along. You know, it's a really big decision for my life. It's a big decision for our team, for the resources that get put behind it. And so early on we decided that I was going to do a 30 -day trial before we made any of this public to make sure that am I capable? Am I willing? Is this something I actually want to take on?

1:08:29And so I've meant completely redefining what my lifestyle is. And where are we at now with that 30 -day trial? Yes. So I've done my 30 -day trial and I'm on about day 90 of Blueprint. So I successfully did my first 30 days, which was really, really difficult. And your day 90 now? Yes. How long are you going to do it for? That's a thing. It's an algorithm. So that was definitely something I was conscious of. This is maybe one of the last decisions I really made because I was deciding to walk into unknown. Like I didn't know exactly how many pills I would be taking, what my protocol would be, how many blood draws, what I'd be going into.

1:09:05It was really, am I okay revoking my conscious mind from making this decision making and stepping into the unknown. So what is your life look like now on a day -to -day basis? So this was establishing the 30 days was really just the trial. And so I'm still in the process of figuring out what I'm... We're still in the process of personalizing essentially to my data. But what I do is I try to get 100 % sleep every single night. I do perfect nutrition. So I eat the same things by I and every single day. So it's 1 ,700 calories, perfectly mapped out. And then I take over 60 supplements every single day.

1:09:42And I aim to get a certain amount of cardio and strength training and exercise in every week. And how has it been good? It was really difficult. It was much more difficult than I expected it to be. Why?

1:09:58The process of doing blueprint is really about measurement, intervention and measurement again. So when we did my baseline measurements, there were a couple things that became apparent. One is that people observed me from the outside. And this is how I observed myself as well. So it's not common other people. But that if things look okay from the outside, things must be okay on the inside too. And so I had a lot of people like saying to me, oh, usually must be healthy. Because you look healthy, so you must be fine. My baseline fitness testing, for example, put me on like an average of age 60 or age 70.

1:10:31Just based on my flexibility, my strength, my cardiovascular health, all those kinds of things. And then my blood work, for example, you know, a few things came back off, which is to be expected like my vitamin D, my zinc, which is easy to fix. But then my oxidized LDL came back high, which is extremely concerning. So I'm only 27 years old. And these are the kinds of flags that you see early on that can lead to things like stroke or, you know, a build up in your arteries. That can lead to really serious health consequences. So there were a couple of things in those like baseline tests, for example, that had a red flag.

1:11:07Then throughout the process, I would say that it's because all of a sudden you're given this huge task of looking after yourself to perfection, you come face to face with the things that are in the way of your better, of living a better life. So you're self -destructed tendencies. And so for me, like day one, I had like three different essential crisis, like moments, you know, where my whole life crumbled down because you come face to face with things that are in your way that you had never had to deal with before. Like one. So, you know, Brian talks about evening, Brian, the Brian that, you know, over eight between five and seven PM or 10 PM every night.

1:11:46For me, it was priority Kate. I didn't realize before I did blueprint that my whole life is in structured around helping other people and never focusing on myself. It was like, I was completely blind to the fact that any opportunity I get, I would deflect for myself and be like, how are you doing? What can I do for you? You know, because I realized that I didn't have a relationship with self where if other people couldn't see it, I just neglected it. So in like little things, it meant that I would schedule meetings back to back. And I wouldn't make time to, you know, use the restroom or eat or have proper sleep.

1:12:22And then 10 PM would roll around and finish work. And the only thing that was left open was McDonald's. And so that's what I would eat for dinner. Or, you know, if a friend, if I committed to hang out with him in a weekend, there was no way I was going to, you know, say that I can't do that anymore just to get enough sleep. Because, you know, ultimately I cared more about the other people's perceptions and my, my own actual well -being. People please are. Yes. People please are. Big time. And to do blueprint, it sounds like it's the antithesis of people pleasing. Yeah, I would say so. And it's kind of like that, you know, Brian references this, but the, the airplane example where you want to put your own mask on for you can help others.

1:13:01So, you know, in this process, I've slowly learned that I am functioning better. And I can actually do more of that people pleasing in a weird way anyway by looking after myself first. What, what I have been the, although it's just been 90 days, what have you noticed changes? So as far as actual like results and data, it was, it was very straightforward. Everything improved for your trust board. So my restorative sleep increased by 19 % in 30 days. My flexibility improved, my strength improved like my leg press one wrap, one rep max went from 220 pounds to 360 pounds in 30 days. I did a via true max testing.

1:13:42So my body's ability to use oxygen. When I first did it at the side of 30 days, I was put at the 51st percentile. So if you look at like an age graph, you'd be able to predict exactly why age I am. That was spot on average. And then after 30 days, I had increased into the top 7 % of fitness for my age and gender, which is huge for me because I am someone who hasn't have excised a day in my life before this. I never gone on runs. I hated the gym. I'd never been trained in the gym. It was just something that was like the antithesis of anti -cate, you know. So yeah, huge, huge changes on my end. And my blood work improved with so many of my oxidized LDL to come back.

1:14:19But generally everything, everything looks really good. What's your take on that and things that have improved and the changes you've seen in that? I think the most interesting and entertaining was the existential crises, where they became so frequent I would send her messages just like in a joking fashion like, hey, I hope your existential crisis is going well today. How can I help? But she really was. I applaud her because she jumped in with both feet. And she was willing to share the entirety of her internal experience. So she didn't try to camouflage any of her pain. She didn't try to be tougher than she was.

1:14:57She was just open and transparent about the entire process. And I think that people around us, the entire team and those observing drew a lot of inspiration because she was open about everything about what she was struggling with internally. And she was willing to step into the problem. She didn't miss a single day. And that's hard. Like there's a lot of motivation to quit her to take a day off. And so I am really pleased that she gave it a go and she prevailed. It would have been very easy for her to quit. Hit your 27. Yes.

1:15:34Sacrifice. Yeah. People think of 20, 20 sacrifice. They think, go in our party and did you do that stuff before? Did you like day, you know, all that kind of stuff? Yeah. Yeah. No. I definitely was a big consideration for me. And like the other thing to add is Blueprint, especially at the level where trying to do this is a full time endeavor. And so you have to fit this into your existing lifestyle. And so it's really difficult. Even things like, you know, during that 30 day trial, we traveled for work. And I remember we got back one day and it was like 6 p .m. or something like that. And everyone was like, zonked after being on the road for three days or something like that.

1:16:09And I was like, I got to go excise now guys and everyone was like, what? But that's a thing. Like, you know, my data, it demanded it. My body demanded it. And so I was going to do it. It wasn't about, you know, what I wanted in that moment or not. So it is a very intense thing to commit to. As far as like the socializing and all that kind of stuff, yeah, I was someone who, you know, would say up, I mean, I would say up working a lot of the time. Like, I'm a grind culture child. Like, I really did throw myself into it. So I would say that's probably the thing that changed the most on the socializing thing like my friends have been so accommodating.

1:16:46You know, I, we'd go out for brunch still and I'd bring my blueprint in and just sit at the table while, you know, other people having their, you know, maybe their mmosis with orange juice in it. But yeah, I think there have been easy ways to make it fit into my life. And the people around me have been really accommodating, which is lovely. What's been the biggest and the hardest sacrifice? The thing that you, you know, maybe on the difficult days you miss a little bit. You know, so so sad, but might the first thing it comes to my mind is a little clot is like a such a typical, you know, yeah, young person now.

1:17:21But yeah, you know, there's like little, you realize you come face to face the fact that a lot of life's small joys are baked into the things that you do on a routine basis. And so it took me while to remap those things. But no, no, I mean, I was, I was like normal, normal person. Yeah. So drinks in the weekend with friends. When you feel a little bit guilty if you quit doing this after everything the team have invested in you, Brian's faith in you. Does that not feel like a bit of a pressure? Yes, it does. However, this was also you can't let those things drive you when you're on blueprint. So for example, I halfway through my my third day period, I started to really not feel great.

1:18:06And I would watch my heart rate, you know, as you get better exercises, exercise, your fitness improves. It's hard to get your heart rate up. And I was going against this metric of I need to get my heart rate over 173 beats per minute to hit this vigorous heart rate zone to get my markers up. And I was pushing myself and pushing myself. I was, you know, I documented all this all, you know, for out YouTube channel and whatnot. But I was at this point where I was crying in the weekend. I was like, I don't know if I can do this. I think I have to give up because I just couldn't get my heart rate up.

1:18:38And it took me a second to realize that priority Kate had snuck in again. But in this really subtle, you know, backdoor kind of way where I was holding myself to this expectation of I needed to do these very intense things. So I could prove to the public that I can do this. I'm going to be, you know, this blueprint, I sex. When in reality, the blueprint way is actually stop look at the data. And if I had done that, I really would have seen that my my HIV was down or cover was down like my body was asking for a break. But my contrast mind was stepping in and saying, you need to prioritize the viewpoint of others and how they're going to think of you and make sure you just hit these goals regardless of what the data says.

1:19:15So I think that to answer your question, if I'm people pleasing in that way, I just get married way. But if you stop and look at the data, that's where actually the inside comes from. Why did Brian, why did you want hate to do this? Did you want her to do it? And if so, why?

1:19:38We talked about this extensively and I told Kate that there was no pressure, no expectation that it was entirely her decision that she could think through it. There are other people that could certainly fulfill the role. So it was Kate's call to do it. And even when she was doing it, it was entirely her decision whether she wanted to continue. And so I made it very, very clear. There's no pressure, no overriding assumption that was not being communicated. So that's why I think the shift in transition from growing culture to taking care of one's health is there's so many layers. People are very fast to come up with excuses and reasons why they don't want to do it.

1:20:16And I think by Kate doing this, it was a transparent reveal of everything she had stacked up that was stopping from doing that. And I thought it would be interesting because she understood the intricacies of the endeavor so thoroughly. And she also was aware of how we are communicating to this. She had this vantage point that was really unique. So I thought it would be she'd be a perfect candidate to do it. But again, no obligation entirely her call if she thought this would be a good move for her. Kate, link once if you're being held hostage.

1:20:47Exactly right. Do you want to die? I want to have the opportunity to live. You want to have the opportunity to live. That's very intentional because he said he doesn't want to die. You might have seen it on the shirt. Yeah. What's the nuance there? I don't mind the idea of death. If it happens, it happens. But I would love to be able to spend each minute living as much as possible. And so that's what this is for me. I think I'm on the same page with you. Yeah. I'm not scared of dying. I don't think you're scared of dying or you're not scared of dying. But what I like the opportunity to live on, I would like the opportunity to live on.

1:21:30But I do also think that what makes life enjoyable is the scarcity. The fact that I'm me sitting here now is me choosing not to do everything else is why this is so special. Yeah. Totally agree. Also, I find this idea of the fear of death and people kind of like booking at that. It's interesting to me because I think if anything is more rational to fear, I would say it's death. Like out of all the fears I could have in life, fear of death is probably one that I would choose to have. That makes sense to me. I'd love to really want to live every single second of the day. Yeah. Same. How do you think about what we just said?

1:22:10The fact that we are going to die creates the specialness in the life that we have? I don't think we know what we're talking about. Okay. I just understand what we say. I think I lose everybody. Kate is a much more relatable person. She says things to people like that's sensible and I understand that. And I say something people are like, that's really weird. I'm not quite sure to do with that. But I really am trying very hard to be more understandable, to be more relatable and have these viewpoints. But I can't seem to land this idea that it's possible we are so primitive in our current way of being that we wouldn't even dare ask ourselves our own opinions about anything.

1:22:57When you talk about this playing it forward into the future and asking future civilizations about us or then playing it backwards, that does help me understand it. Because if you'd gone a million years backwards and asked them about us, they never would have been able to predict this incredible world. They wouldn't have probably been living like four times longer than they did anyway. Since we last spoke, is there anything that's been on your mind that you think is important as an update for the listeners who listened to the last episode? Yeah, I mean, it was a fun couple months. We had Gene Therapy.

1:23:29I published a book and we accate completed her 90 days of first female and blueprint doing the full program. We made available for free the entirety of the recipes of blueprint. So basically we've made for free the dietary protocol, all the exercises, all the supplements, a book. Basically what I hope is we've given a blueprint for the future evolution of being human. We've made everything available for free for everyone all over the world. Wow. And what comes next? The best is yet to come. Yeah, we've got a couple of line projects. Just give me one. Let's see.

1:24:12It's another Gene Therapy. Okay. Yeah. To do what? To extend life? I mean, if we really are trying to punch through the ceiling, then we, you can only do so much with diet, sleep, exercise. And we've kind of mastered those things. So now we're trying to level up on more powerful therapies. Exciting. Look for a tearing. The question that's been left for you in the diary is, DNAX guest. As you look back on the interview right now, what's one thing you wish you said or did differently? Yeah. Okay. I don't know if I did this justice. So I want to communicate with more clarity that regardless of the data and how I feel and all these kinds of things, the thing that I always come back to on whether or not this is the right decision for me as in blueprint is, and who's doing a better job of looking after Kate?

1:25:12Is it current Kate or past Kate? And I would argue that even if it's only a marginal improvement, it's worth taking this step toward looking after oneself just a little bit better. And so that's how I feel about this whole process is like, no, I know based on the data, I know based on my subject of experience, based on any other metric that I'm doing a better job now than I was previously. Which Kate's happier? I think Kate has no control over her in happiness. And so I almost never try to optimize her happiness. When Brian said, I'm the happiest I've ever been. Is this the happiest you've ever been?

1:25:52Yes. Yep. You're purely... Go ahead. This Kate's happier than old Kate. Yes. But I would say that Kate always is biased just saying that Kate is always the happiest in any given moment. Kate is generally a very optimistic and happy person. And is the blueprint different for women than it is for men? Because there's different sort of hormone or physiological elements to men and women. That's what we're currently in the process figuring out. So it took Brian, like two, three years and millions of dollars to get his protocol stabilized. So we're currently in that process figuring out how are we tuning it to my hormones and levels and tracking my data.

1:26:31So we're in a very exciting period. Have you kept account of how many millions of dollars it's cost you to do this? Yeah, at the accounting. It's probably three to four at this point. The majority of that has been on the measurement protocols. It's the scientific research. It's like trying to get your head around everything that's ever been published. Get that structured in a way that's actionable than doing the measurement. But the actual implementation is very cheap. This is the thing is we... Someone made a comment through the day that this is the most impactful humanitarian project ever in that the more values being delivered to more people.

1:27:08And I love the frame that it's a species -wide evolutionary plan. And we're launching a product. So one of the biggest questions we've received, like this is one of the more exciting things we have going on, is when we did blueprint, sorry blueprint, it was never to make money. We never had a commercial plan. We never had some sneaky idea. We just wanted to pursue the boundaries of science. And then it became a thing and people are like, make this easy because I want to do it, but I don't want to spend the time. And so over the past few months, we've created a blueprint product stack. And I think that we'll be ready to launch in 90 days or so.

1:27:47I think it will be competitive with the most nutritious product in history. Interesting. And it's a supplement. It's powders and pills, food, supplement, extra virgin olive oil. It's a whole bunch of stuff. It's basically, I think we'll be able to deliver to people at a lower cost. Whether we succeed in this or not, whether we succeeded in the number one spot, I like the idea that we're competing with. The best, most nutritious food product ever built in human history. And I like that we are at least competing for that slot. And so I think it would make sense for the UN to be putting blueprint into the hands of people and than anything else out there.

1:28:31And so that's exciting that we're just rounding the corner from this novel idea to this full -scale humanity -wide conversation on what can we become. And basically trying to purge from our society the self -destruction that we've embedded within it. Hey, I've got one more question for you before Brian answers the question. Yeah, just the one of one. Go ahead, you want to take it? Can you tell me something that you disagree with Brian on? That's actually really, really hot because I think we agree on those things. We typically see the world from pretty different perspectives. We reconcile them ultimately, but we definitely view the world.

1:29:16Meanably different. Yeah, I really see myself as an operations manager for humanity. Not because I just find that that's a role that we have not really tackled as a species yet. Being able to see the systems that undelye humanity at this huge scale. And so nutrition is one of these things. This blueprint stack that we're working on, it's almost like your mom has packed you a lunch box and said, here's the basics of what your body has requested for today. Like go out, have a great day. You've got a budget to go and have fun in this specific kind of way. But just like, here's what you need at a basic level.

1:30:00I think it's only a small, you can change the world with a couple of small changes like that that we just haven't thought about. On that efficient level, if you're the operations manager of humanity, what is Brian? Brian is the the visionary behind behind pushing this. I mean, when I met it was said you got up, she'd roast me. What? It was like, you know, because it's done. Oh, what did it mean? It was like a woman. If you did done on me. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Brian, your question then. So I will see, where can I speak to camera? Which one? Okay, great. I'd say, last time I was on the podcast, hi everyone.

1:30:47Nice to see you. You were all so kind to me in the comments on our last video together. And I've become accustomed to get pretty beat up about on pretty much everything all the time. And all of the, there were so many of you who were so generous and kind and charitable and compassionate. And I just really appreciate you. I read all the comments. I find it to be a really informative source about what I'm doing well to communicate what I'm struggling on. And I appreciate your generosity with me as I stumble through how to communicate ideas that make sense in my mind. But then, you know, they don't land as clearly as others.

1:31:25But I appreciate that you're willing to entertain the discussion. And yeah, I just, I really, I was really touched by how you're, you're kindness. So you've developed a powerful community that of highly intelligent, compassionate, engaging people. And I appreciate being a member of that because it's these topics are hard and it's easy to lob insults and make derogatory comments. It's just so easy to try to pick that off as the form of communication. And you know, this community did not. They took a different path and it was really encouraging to read. You read every comment. I read most of them.

1:32:07Does that, does, does any of it ever hurt you? I'm going to be showing you this. I'm going to tell you that. Just collected a whole bunch of mean tweets for a YouTube video we have coming out soon. Brian reading mean tweets. And honestly, I don't think I've ever seen Brian more happy than reading mean tweets. He absolutely loves it. I did notice that on Twitter. I was like, he really loves engaging with this stuff. How have you got yourself to that place mentally where you can read someone saying some just the worst thing about you and seemingly spin it into a joke and apparently really genuinely not care.

1:32:46Not only do I not care, I love it. Why? Why do I love it? I mean, it's really beyond my comprehension, I don't know. I mean, and maybe, you know, like another time in my life, maybe I would have been more sensitive to it. But I mean, I, people work so hard at making the absolute most cutting insult they can generate. I know they spend a lot of time doing these things. And I appreciate the effort. I'm not sure why, but it brings me genuine happiness. I would wage up that Brian. Brian, I love people that I realize how helpful he is. Every second behind the scenes, he's constantly thinking about other people and what they're going to think.

1:33:29So I feel like you've actually explored all these bursts in your own head. And so to witness them come to life is just like, oh, fun. People having fun with me, like, it's great. Interesting. Gosh.

1:33:43I do, I do, I do think that, Brian. I do think that you're very, very thoughtful. I even noticed it in the way you answer questions you take a pause often. And people don't typically do that. They just give the answer. And then few to even say to some questions I don't know is again, a sign of that thoughtfulness. But I always also think people that are that sort of neurotic and thoughtful and always thinking in their head. I think, they must be a little bit tortured in some way, like it. It can't be a pleasant experience to be that intelligent and thinking about that many things that often. Because you're going to end up thinking about some things that aren't so great.

1:34:12You know what I mean? If you can, if you have that ability to think, you know, I think that about Elon a little bit as well. Like he, he speaks about being a young man that had like an existential crisis and, and made him depressed. And then he watched Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and that kind of got him out of his depression. But being that intelligent and thoughtful comes with a cost now. Yeah, I, I certainly am familiar with torturing myself. I've been in time, times in my life, like the majority of my life, I actually vigorously tortured myself. And it's only been in the past few years in conjunction with Blueprint where I have been rid of that torture.

1:34:53And I think also when people make these biting comments to me, they don't even compare with the comments I make to myself. I mean, I am, in previous versions of me, I was brutal to myself in ways. And of course, I know all of my, I know the underbelly of, you know, so I know how to make the most biting comment to myself. And so I'd say after the experiencing that, anyone else trying to turn me down just like it's totally insignificant. It doesn't mean anything to me. This is the thing, like if we, I guess I'll be sincere for a moment, is if, if, how lucky are we to exist in this moment. And if we're really trying to figure out how we have the most fulfilling existence, prioritizing our health and wellness of getting good sleep and eating well and avoiding bad things changes your existence.

1:35:48You want different things. You think about different things. You respond differently to people's comments. You, you're a different human. And this is in, in some ways, why I don't trust, I saw first, I don't trust any of my own responses, but I trust even less other people's responses who are half dead when they're not sleeping well, when they have bad habits, they aren't thinking clearly. We know this from science that you, you become inebriated. And so that's why when I think about humanity, like do we, are we actually of the right mind of clarity to say anything about our wants and desires?

1:36:27And I think we're all just drunk on addiction. And we just can't see our way through this thing. And so when we say, I want this, I want that or whatever, I don't believe it. We're not, we're not our best minds day right now. And we, I don't trust our own judgment. And this is, it's hard for us to comprehend that because we have to trust ourselves on a day to day basis, doing these things in a step, take a step back and be like, could I be wrong about basically everything? Take so much courage to even contemplate. And it's offensive to most people's minds, but really I think it's where we, we are best to be there to question all these things.

1:37:04And this is how I stumble in these conversations. Like I know even in talking with you today, I know when I say certain things to you, they don't resonate, right? You're like, kind of see your point, but like really, this path makes much more sense to me. And yes, I'm really trying to improve at this game. It's a hard one. There's like, there's one story here I'll share. It's my favorite one. So there's a captain navigating the ocean and receives a communication, change course 30 degrees north.

1:37:40The captain radios back, you change your course 20 degrees south. Gets a radio back, no, immediately change 30 degrees north. Now at this point, the captain is irritated. His authority, their authority has been challenged. So the captain radios back, this is fleet commander, so and so of the battalion, so and so on, so on, whatever, change 30 north. And of course, this has always worked for that person. Always use force and authority and bowling to get whatever their objective is. And the communication comes back, I'm a lighthouse, change course 20 south. In this conversation as a species, we are the fleet commander, our minds are the fleet commander.

1:38:24We believe we can bully our way through any conversation. Is the future worth living? I'll tell you right now. Do I want this cigarette? I'll tell you right now. Do I want to sleep versus something else? I'll tell you, our mind has an infinite depth of answers and it knows all things. I think the future could potentially be a lighthouse. When we offer up a response about something we want, feel, think, imagine, whatever, our tactic that has always worked first in the past so we can just bully our way through all things is somehow not going to work anymore because it's a lighthouse. And that's what the future feels like to me is we cannot use the tactics that have worked worse in the past.

1:39:08That the circumstances have changed so radically. The new, the older rules don't apply, a new game is coming. And like, you sure we don't know what's going to happen and sure we don't know if it's even positive or negative. We don't even know if we'll have a conception of positive or negative. Like maybe those ideas we even go away. Like we have no clue whatsoever what our existence would be like. And this is like why purging society of this stuff is interesting to me. Like why would we not wage war right now? Like wage war on this. It's ruining our chances of the future. And even something like the Halloween holiday traditions.

1:39:44Why are we contributing to the dying of our children by giving them sugar as they walk around from house to house? Like how are we this foolish? We got our Halloween sponsor. No, it's not.

1:40:02Joking, really. No, it's true though, but that's the way we design society. But I'm hopeful about that because conversations like this and all the podcasts out there that are having these conversations are changing the dial. I've seen an evolution in myself over the last 12 months of doing this. The types of subjects we're talking about and sugar and ultra -processed foods and sleep and all of these things. So if it's gently nudging me, I'm convinced it's gently nudging my listeners. And there's more shows like this all around the world. And we're all kind of becoming awakened to it because we're feeling the symptoms.

1:40:31The symptoms of that discontent, the depression, the inflammation is killing everybody and cardiovascular diseases. So I think it feels like there's a slow but certain uprising in society. I agree. I feel that. I perceive the same thing. Thank you so much, Brian. Thank you so much, Kate. Really appreciate you sharing that with me. So interesting. And I really hope we can have this conversation again when you hit more milestones. Everybody needs to go and get the extra virgin olive oil because as I said, everybody's been raving about this extra virgin olive oil. But as I said a second ago, I really, really trust you.

1:41:05So that will be the one that I'm stocking in my house. Thank you, Brian. Thanks for having me. Thank you. Do you need a podcast to listen to next? We've discovered that people who liked this episode also tend to absolutely love another recent episode we've done. So I've linked that episode in the description below. I know you'll enjoy it.

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