Tony Robbins: No One Is Ready For What's Coming! Why The Next Decade Will Break People!

22:28if either one of us learn something or a machine, every machine knows it instantly. You push one button and they have all that knowledge. There's none of this word transfer. It's just, it's now. So people don't realize what this really means. And when you're learning from the real world, not just LLMs, right now, you and I, our brains are predictive devices. They're predicting what is going to happen next to the best of their ability. And we're trying to close that gap as much as we can or we get jolted. Well, think how predictably that's going to do to people's heads when all of a sudden their labor is not needed.

22:59And it's no longer blue-collar labor, which is what people thought it would be. It's white-collar labor. I mean, like my financial, I have a lot of, I have 95 different private equity firms. I own the firms, not the actual funds, right? So I get the 2 and 20 of them. And I got pieces of all of them. So they're biggest in the world. And so I get to take a look at some of the things that are happening so fast. And I look at all those jobs, and I see people in those industries. And quantum is taking, it took over maybe five years ago. I've seen the shrink in these offices from staffs, the guys who are making$5 million,$10 million a year that are now unemployed.

23:35It's not just the blue-collar worker. It's everyone. So you're right. This has never happened before in history. And what's being done about it? More money has been put into it to accelerate it. The carrot and stick, the trillionaire in China, those two pieces are driving it all. And a few people are trying to hammer, like Hinton and a few other people. We've got to work on safety here so it doesn't eliminate the human race. And I'm not a reactionary person, but, you know, of what is it, 25, 30 percent of the people that work in AI say that they think you could potentially do that. I mean, like you could use electricity to kill people or light up a city.

24:06So all technology is that challenge. But this is a different technology. This is a technology that keeps learning, can replicate itself. Right now, they don't even know how some of this actually works. They don't know how the AI is actually working. It's teaching itself. These AI's now have their own language. I'm sure you know. They're talking no longer in English to each other. And, you know, I'm sure you've seen the studies, right? They give them information in the email, and then they say they're going to shut off the AI, and it blackmails them by giving them fake information about somebody having an affair, and it blackmails them.

24:35I mean, it lies. So we're living in a crazy world where the opportunity is greater than any time in history for us to be creators. We were created and we're meant to create, and we've got tools to create like never before. But we're going to have to make sure that as we're doing that, we've got some parameters around safety and some parameters about what does it do to society. And I don't have the perfect answers for it, but I do know one thing, retooling is the answer. And I don't believe most people will be replaced by an AI. They'll be replaced by somebody who knows how to use AI. Yeah, one of the things you said there really blew my mind when I watched a video from Boston Dynamics this week where the guy explained how these robots are going to learn.

25:11And he goes, there's two ways. One way is we're going to get our factory workers to wear a suit. and every time the factory worker does something, all the robots are going to learn that thing. And the other thing is, he said, is if one of our robots learns something, whether it's how to pick up a book or how to make an omelet, every robot learns it instantaneously. And my mind was like, wow. That is, I personally don't know where this leaves us. So that's kind of - Well, neither do I, but there's certain things you know it's leading us towards. You know it's going to lead us to a great deal of violence because there are going to be people like it have always happened when technology displaces them.

25:49Only this is going to be a global event across multiple areas. It's not just drivers of Ubers and truck drivers. If we don't get our act together and have a plan, there's going to be violence for some period of time. There'll be, there's that grief period of loss that people go through when something jars them that much. And some people don't return from that grief. And some people are going to take this technology and they're going to go off. It's already happening now even without AI. There are more males at home, 25 to 35, living at home with their family, not working, than any time in human history, including the Depression.

26:22Right? There are, I think it's 25 % or I think it was 30%, I forgot the number, I just saw it recently, of young men have never approached a woman to ask her out for a date. They play video games all day long. Their mom does their laundry. And they order Uber Eats. This is a mass number of people. That's just the technology of getting somebody gamified. Imagine with AI. So some people are going to go live there and some people are going to go the Star Trek route and say, I'm going to figure out what makes human existence be here. But it's not hard to figure out. The majority are not going to go the Star Trek route.

26:54And so we've got to have a bridge because of the time compression. If this was 100 years to do it, we could adjust. There will be more jobs. There will be new jobs. There will be new times. But it's the time frame that I'm most concerned about. So when you ask me what I'm concerned about, that's what I'm concerned about because it creates suffering. and it's something that we can predict is going to create suffering, and yet I see very few people in positions of influence and power doing much about it. So on an individual level, if you were an 18-year-old, Tony Robbins, what would you be doing at this moment?

27:24What would you be focusing on work-wise? How would you be designing your life for such a world? I have five kids and five grandkids, right? So I have a 52-year-old daughter, and I have, thanks to COVID, a four-year-old daughter. So COVID was good to me. I was home. So I look at my, especially my grandkids and my daughter, and I say they're entering a world that none of us have known before. And so how do I arm them for it? And the answer is a couple of things. Number one, I have to teach them not to do what most people in the world do. Most people you talk to, of any, even, quote, successful people, whatever that means, they're stressed all the time.

28:03Stress. I'm so stressed. You hear people talk about stress all the time. It's like they argue about who's more stressed. And I look at that and go, why are they stressed? And the answer is because they're managing their life. We're not made to manage circumstances. We're made to create. We were created by something. Call it your creator. Call it the universe. Call it God, whatever you want to call it. And we were made to create. And when we create, we're alive. When we just try to maintain or manage or hold on to something, if we're just caught up in making a living instead of designing a life, life is a bitch.

28:34And that's why so many people have so many challenges. So I'm teaching my kids to be creators, and I teach them the second piece, the most important thing, I believe, that's made me successful. And anyone I've ever interviewed, you interviewed a million people. You see if you agree or disagree with me. The three most important skills in life now are the ones that allow you to learn more rapidly. If you learn rapidly, you can win no matter what happens with the technology. And what are those three skills? Number one, the skill of pattern recognition. When you can recognize patterns, you eliminate fear.

29:04Fear comes from this has never happened before. I don't know what this is, chaos. Like I hear people all the time talk about how we've never been this place politically. We're here in America. We're the most, we're going to have a civil war. They don't do any history whatsoever. I have these two placards that I have because back then they didn't have ads, right? They had placards. And one is from Thomas Jefferson talking about Adams and one of Adams about Jefferson. And they said stuff that made Republicans and Democrats look like they're nice to each other. I mean, it's just unbelievable the stuff they said.

29:32This is a cycle. And so when you recognize a pattern, it gives you power, potential power at least. The first power is you're not afraid anymore. You go, no, this is not something that's never happened. This is not something that's going to – I can see this. I can see how this has been dealt with. What took us from living in fear, from being hunter-gatherers or trying to survive every day, didn't know if we're going to survive every day, to being able to stay in one place? What pattern recognition? I was going to say the seasons. You got it. Really? That's it, the seasons. I figured it would get seasons because before that, you could do the right thing at the wrong time and you get pain.

30:11And three of the four seasons are the wrong time. So once we figured out, oh, my God, if I plant in the spring and I take care of it through the hot summer, I get this big reaping. And if I hang on to some of it to make it through the winter, I can live here. I don't have to worry. All my fear disappears. So the minute we understood seasons, it changed humanity. And by the way, there's the seasons to your life. You could say zero to 21 is springtime. Springtime, how hard is it for something to grow in springtime? If you start a business in an economic spring where everybody's optimistic, you think you're a genius, you're just in the right season, right?

30:46So zero to 21, you're taken care of. And that season, you grow like crazy. Somewhere around roughly, and everyone's different, 21, 22 years old, you go to the next stage, 22 to 42, and that's your summertime. That's the testing period of your life. What happens? You are 21. You've heard all this stuff. And now you go, you know what? I don't know if I believe this bullshit. I want to see what I believe. I'm going to test. All history, all studies of psychology show this is the most difficult time in most people's lives. Right? 22 to 42. So if you're in that range and you're listening, I love you.

31:19Hang in there. This is your ground. If you keep growing, this is a great time. All right? Somewhere in that range, you make a transition. Somewhere around 30, 35, you're 33, you just got engaged. Congratulations, right? You start to move towards a family. You start to have those experiences. I'm sure yours will be very successful. Many aren't, right? So at 42, or 43 to 63, that's the fall. If you planted in the spring, right, and you worked your tail off during that hot summer, now you can do more with your pinky than working around the clock. You know more people. You have relationships. You recognize the patterns.

31:58You know what's going on. Nothing's really a shock or surprise to you. You're more strategic. You're more efficient. You're more elegant. You have more choices. You've learned a lot of lessons if you grew. Now, if you didn't plant in the spring and work hard in the summer, you're going to weep in the fall, not reap in the fall, right? So now this is your power period. This is when most people earn the most money in their life if they're going to grow because they've accumulated knowledge, skills, relationships, and so forth. And then the winter, because she comes back to that, 64 to 84 to 104 to the oldest humans, 124.

32:32That period is a transition period to where you become a real leader because you're no longer, you know, that 22 to 42, you're trying to prove yourself to yourself or maybe other people or both. But there's a point where you get into your power group, you know who you are. By the time you get into this last season, this, you know, 64 to 84, 104, 124, you know who the F you are. I mean, and you want people to like what you do, but if they don't, it's like you know who you are. You don't give a shit. I've just entered that season myself. I'm about to be 66 in a few weeks. And it's the most fulfilling season of all.

33:08It's mind boggling. I wouldn't believe that when I was your age. That's why I'm sharing it. If you're healthy, if you're fit, if you're strong. If you don't do that, then it can be a bitch that time. But if you're healthy and strong, you have 40-year relationships, 35-year business relationships. You have friends that adore you and love them, and it's unbreakable. It's unshakable. You have an intimate relationship or a family or husband-and-wife relationship. You've been built to that point that is beyond anything you'd have dreamed of or hoped for. You wake up every day, and you know that life is a gift, and you want to give back even more.

33:41Like you're more driven than you were when you were in the 22 to 42 stage. Those are the seasons. There's one more. There's seasons of history. And your season of history shapes how you shape your life. So you can look at 1 ,000 years of Roman history. I'm very much in history. And 500 years of Anglo-American history. And you start to see patterns. In fact, I'd recommend for everyone, there's a book called Generations. Have you read it? No. When I was working with President Clinton, in those days, I worked with President Clinton. I went across the other side and worked with the Speaker of the House, Gingrich.

34:17On the same day, on Clinton's, on his desk, on the Resolute desk, was this book, Generations. And I asked him about it. And he told me about how it's amazing. It shows how history is somewhat predictable and why the cycles are generated by different generations, how we react the way we grew up. And then I go over to Gingrich's office, and he's a historian. He's got it on his desk. It's a pretty thick book, good-sized book. My point is if you want to navigate your life, you need pattern recognition so you don't go in reaction. And one thing is to understand seasons are a great pattern. They freed us.

34:53They're seasons of your life. You should think about this season. What's this season about for you? What do you want to extract from this season? And every season has predictable challenges and predictable opportunities. And where am I in the season? Some people go through their springtime during a war, wintertime. Some people go through springtime in the fall. We all grew up with different environments. And so we're shaped by that, and that's why history has changed. So let me finish the last piece. I've gone way long. I apologize. I said there's three skills. What do we need, right? First one is pattern recognition.

35:24The second one is pattern utilization. So I watch you, like you, you and I both, we developed companies, took them public very early ages, made a lot of money, and figured out it wasn't just about money, right? I'm going to look at your history. You didn't just recognize patterns. You used them. You saw them in marketing areas. You saw online opportunities. You saw things. You didn't just, oh, now I understand it. You jumped on it. Anyone who's incredibly successful in anything, if they're great at dance, if they're great at investing in companies, if they're great in running companies, if they're great in singing, they recognize there are certain patterns.

35:59And then the final skill, and this is what I'm teaching my children, is you ultimately want to become a pattern creator. Take an example. same learning to play the piano, right? Yeah. How do you learn to play the piano? You got to recognize patterns and usually you're taught someone else's patterns that produce something beautiful, right? Could be Bach, Beethoven, could be some rock, could be whatever you're learning. And so you learn those patterns and you practice them. You learn to use them, right? And now you can produce the same music. There is a point, and I'm sure you've experienced this already, and you're going to experience a lot more in the next 10 years of your life.

36:31You've taken so much input in, you've recognized so many patterns that now you come through. and you become the pattern creator. And that's when you start to become the goat of your industry, the best of all time. You look at Tom Brady, he's a friend of mine, like he made pattern distinctions no one else made on how to keep his body strong, one of the most important ones so he had the duration, but also how to read the defense, know what's happening. Those tools, he started to create his own patterns about how to deal with that, right? And so once you create your own patterns, you bring something your table has never been there before and you make something that's never been there before, your value goes through the roof.

37:08When I met Jim Rohn, my original personal development teacher, he changed my life radically. I went when I was 17 years old. He, oh yeah, that's a great picture. That's great. I love that man. Beautiful man. I went, what I did was I was working as a janitor. I'm in high school, sophomore year. And I had, my mom came home one day and said, we've got a friend that needs somebody to help move stuff. And I was always trying to earn some extra money. And so, and it was the weekends that I wasn't doing the janitorial work on the weekends. So I said, okay, I'll, I'll, I'll do it. Volunteer. And my dad said, yeah, you ought to find out what he did.

37:45He used to be such a loser. Now he's so successful. Right. And so when I went to go see this guy, you know, I'm, I'm a hard worker. So I worked really hard. And so he took me to lunch and he starts asking me a question. I said, I want to ask you questions. And I said, you know, my father said, used to be such a loser. Now you're so successful. How'd you change your life? I'm just a kid. I wasn't trying to be funny or mean, right? And the guy who said, your dad said, what? And he goes, well, it's true. And he said, well, what changed my life is I went to a seminar. He goes, yeah, it was three and a half hours.

38:11His name is Jim Rohn. He told me the whole thing. And he's here in Orange County. He's coming up to an event pretty quick. I said, could you get me in? And he goes, yeah. I said, well, how much is it? He said,$35. It'd be like$250 in today's money, right? And I said,$35. I'm making$40 a week as a janitor. I said, I can't do that. He goes, well, then just learn on your own experience and waste a few decades. I said, you really think it's that valuable? He goes, no, you have to decide if it's that valuable. And so I remember I wrestled with this like it was the biggest decision of my life, a week's pay.

38:45And I went in and I heard this man speak. He said some simple things like, you know, for things to change, you got to change. For things to get better, you got to get better, right? It was interesting things. But at the end, I was so excited. I went up to him and I said, I want to come work for you. I want to learn this. I want to be a part of this. And he turned to me and said, look, kid, he goes, you know, if you want to come work for me, you've got to go through all my programs. And I said, what does that mean? And he said, well, you've got this, this, this. You know, it was like$1 ,200 for just one of the programs for a weekend.

39:13$1 ,200 is like$10 ,000 today. Do you have an idea? $12 ,000. I'm, at the time, sleeping in my car, working as a janitor. My dad left. My mom kicked him out. I'm a strong woman. And then she chased me out with a knife. She wasn't going to kill me, but I wasn't going back in that place. And so I'm like, I can't, I can't do this. And then said somebody said, you know, decide, he goes, some people have to survive. Some people succeed, decide which one you are. And if, if you're ready by next Saturday, a week from Saturday, he goes, um, I'm starting a training and you can join it. But if you, if you don't have the money for it, you won't be able to do it.

39:46And I remember leaving thinking, this guy just wants my money. He's such a jerk. And I was so angry. But then in my head, I was like, he's right. He's right. And I've always gotten what I had to have. I haven't had to have much. And so I started going to banks. I walked in this place. Five banks turned down. And I saw this woman who looked persuadable and sweet. And her name was Mrs. Williams. This woman looks at me and she goes, the bank's not going to loan you this money. And she's like my fifth bank. And I said, you don't understand. And I got all passionate. She goes, with this kind of focus and energy, I think you can do something.

40:17I'd like it to be something good. And she goes, I want to talk to the bank. But if the bank will need the money, I will. If you look me in the eye and you swear to me I'm never going to have to come find you and you will take care of this. And I jumped across, hugged and kissed her. She wasn't quite ready for that. I went to Jim Rohn's seminar. I went to work for him. And the first question when I finally got a private moment with him that I asked was, I had four fathers. They were all good men. They all worked hard. How come we never had any money and sometimes no food? I said, I look over at the school teacher who makes$35 ,000 a year, I think, in those days.

40:55And then I see this hedge fund guy who made a billion dollars in a year. I said, that is so unjust. And he gave me a lesson that changed my whole life. He said, Tony, he said, you're right. We're all equal as souls. But we're not equal in the marketplace. And I said, what does that mean? He said, well, let me ask you a question. Is it possible for someone to make twice as much money in the same amount of time? Yeah, four times, 10 times, 100 times? Yeah, people do it. How? He goes, you have to become more valuable. He goes, if you go to work at McDonald's, you get this tiny little income. It's not made to be an ideal job.

41:28It's a first-time job. Anyone can learn to do it in two hours. And I've been obsessed about it ever since. And that changed everything in my life. My whole life became how do I add more value? And so today I have 121 companies, and we're doing$12 billion in business across almost every industry you can imagine that I'm a part of. and I couldn't run one company in the start and make it successful at 300 ,000 a year for the revenue. All that became in every industry and I have a lot of them on the number one in the industry. It's because I'm obsessed with adding value. And so I think that piece is what's missing also from our youth.

42:07You're saying, what do they need new? They think I'm here to get something. No, life is calling you. What are you going to give? Not just what you want to give, but what people need. And so my focus is, I give people what they want. They want to make more money. They want a better relationship. But my goal is so I can give them what they need, which is a life that has more meaning. And that's one that goes beyond yourself. It's going to be a stressful period. Yes. To say the least. I think algorithms are actually making our online experiences more stressful. I think 100 % because, you know, they're designed to retain our attention.

42:38And the best way to retain our attention is probably fear. And I think this with myself, I find myself watching all these fucking short form videos that are just like, they feel like they're at some level frying something, depleting something in me. But it's designed the algorithms to serve me up the next one that's going to hold me or scare me or whatever. So in such a world where the algorithms are probably going to, you know, in the online world, especially for younger kids, it's going to really, it's going to be better at taking hold of us. What are the tools that I need to deal with this stress and this angst?

43:10The first step to me would be take 15 minutes out of your day and go for micro learning. Like decide you're going to learn what matters, right? About yourself, about AI. We tell people like you already have habits, right? Most people are scrolling a good portion of the day. Give me 15 of those minutes and let's do micro learning on something, a new language to stimulate your brain, philosophy, history, AI, something pragmatic, something that's valuable. It's just getting people to have some habits that, you know, the 1 % growth metaphor, right? You know, 27 times at the end of the year. It's like it's pretty simple.

43:45All we have to do is create a new direction. If you try to do it one giant step, it's overwhelming for people. The secret to life is chunking. Think of it this way. Some people never work out, but they eat easily. So I'll say to them, why don't you work out? And look at me all the reasons. And I'll say, but, you know, I'd have to join a gym. And I said, okay, well, tell me what's entailed. And they'll go, I got to look up where the gyms are. And then I got to drive to each of the gyms. And then I got to park the car each place and find it. And then I got to get out and hopefully get a pass. And then they take you on the tour.

44:18And then they want to sit you down and sell stuff to you. And they got it back in the car. And you got to drive things. And then when you go do it, let's say you sign up. Then you go. And you got to check in and take off all your clothes. And then they drop and get wrinkled. And then you go work out. And it's sweaty. You got to wipe other people's sweat off. And then afterwards, you got to go do a shower. and your hair is messed up and your makeup, you got to start all over and everything else. And then you got to get the thing and you got to back out. It's like, it's too much work. What does it need to eat?

44:41Oh, you just go. They chunk eating as one thing. They chunk working out as 29 ,000 things, right? So if you chunk too big, try to do everything in one bite, it's overwhelming. And if you chunk it too small, it's overwhelming. So there's a different size for different things. And if we want to learn and grow, which is what the secret is to your future, is to become a learning machine about what matters. Like most people major in minor things. They know more about some actresses or actors' love life than they do or their skin regimen than they do about their own values and needs and what makes them tick as a human being.

45:20Today, you can learn from the brightest, smartest people on earth. They're available. They're available by online. They're available by contracting or coaching. They're everywhere. There isn't a limit anymore. There's zero limit. except you're deciding to be a creator and not a maintainer. So you're deciding I'm not just going to manage my life. I'm going to design and create something because the tools are available everywhere. And so I'm just one of those. I have a couple of questions based on what you've just said. The first one starting at the top was around, you talked about the side of pattern recognition, utilization and creation.

45:50The question I had from that section was, is there a way to get better at pattern recognition? Yeah, well, first by understanding it's the most important key. Okay. So it's like, if I'm fearful, what's the pattern I'm missing here? What's something that could give me some history to understand that this isn't random? Like, you know, people say, I over-read, I over-drink, I get really angry at others. You don't over-read every moment. You don't smoke every moment. What are the triggers that you use? And do you recommend people write? How do they raise their self-awareness enough to start spotting these patterns?

46:22I believe in diaries. You call it diary, I call it journals. I believe in journals is to be able to do that, to guide yourself. But yes, but it's more than that. You have to not only make the distinction, but you also have to have a different state to it. For example, let's say I say to you, I know, I know. I need to lose weight. I'm going to do it. I'm going to go on a diet. I'm going to work out. Am I going to do it? No. You're fighting it. Because I'm not in a state to do it. Now, most people are trying to figure out what to do. And there's nothing wrong with that, but it's the wrong sequence.

47:00Because when you think about what to do, if you've never done it before, you feel uncertain, you don't follow through. If you have done it before, but you don't feel strong enough, you're not going to follow through. So I tell people, if you want a breakthrough, it's three things. Strategy, story, state. Most people, if they want to have a breakthrough, they want to change their body, want to change their life, they look for how to do it. And that's natural, but it's the absolute wrong order. And if you do things in the wrong order, it's like having the numbers to a phone for someone and you dial in the wrong order, you don't reach somebody.

47:29Or the vault, right? You've got the right numbers in the wrong order, the vault doesn't open. Why are so many people overweight in this country? Like 60 % of the population is overweight. How is that possible? Is it because what it takes to be fit and strong is so incredibly complex? No. Only the 1 % knows? No. It's super expensive? No. You have to work not to know what to do. So the how is not the problem. So I say strategy, story, state. That's how you have a breakthrough. Yes, I'm a strategist. The right strategy can save you 10 years. I love that. It's fun. But if I start with a strategy, you'll listen and go, yeah, that's cool.

48:03And you won't do it. The real problem is the story you have. The story you have is I've tried everything. The story you have, nothing works. The story has all the good ones are gone and I'm gay and they're not or they're gay and I'm not. But the story is the belief you've told yourself over and over because belief is the invisible force that controls everything in your life. And when you have a belief that you've honed because you're fearful and you've never done this before, then I can show you exactly how to do it and you'll say it doesn't work. I've tried that. Yeah, how many times? How hard?

48:35How many minutes? Right? But what's behind the story is your state, your mental emotional state. If I said to you, I am going to lose 12 pounds in the next six weeks, there is non-negotiable. Here's what I'm going to do, this and this and this and this. Do you think I'm going to do it? Yes. You bet your ass I'm going to do it, right? You can feel the state. Yeah. So people are usually trying to figure out how to do something, and they got a story about it when what they need first is the state. When you go in the right state, haven't you heard this happen where you get in the flow and something comes to you?

49:05You're hitting a tennis ball or you're doing it or you're speaking, and at the end of you, you're like, that was pretty awesome. I did that. How'd I do that? I don't know. That shit just flowed. That was pretty awesome, right? You're in a peak state. I put people in a peak state while they're doing the things we're talking about. So what do you do right before you come out on stage? And what can anyone listening at home do before the big meeting, the big moment in their life? Or really like on a daily basis to configure our state? The first thing I do in my little daily routine is I go out, I use the jacuzzi for a moment to open my body up and everything else.

49:36And then I go on the cold plunge. And I've been doing that for 18 years. Now everybody talks about it. But I go in that cold plunge. And the secret, though, is I don't negotiate with myself. I go in the cold plunge for both the health purposes because it floods your body, right, completely. But the real value is the mental discipline of I don't go, okay, I'm ready. And I don't get in when you're just lying here. I dunk under. I jump in. I've got one that goes above my head. I go under the water. I dive into it, right? And I don't stand there. I don't stand there and go, oh, I feel cold right now or wait in a minute.

50:08Like I've trained my brain. When I say go, we go. And I've done that for decades. And so I'm not in the place when I say go somewhere else, my brain obeys. I don't have these stories in my head back and forth trying to have a conversation with myself, trying to convince myself to do something I've decided, right? So decision point is everything. So I've trained myself to do it, but also it produces a massive change. It is not comfortable. I don't think there's been a morning in my life that I look forward to doing it, but it changes you. So that's one thing. The thing I do before I go on stage, I have a routine of how I shift my body.

50:41I have a prayer that I do, which is use me, Lord. And I picture being to serve as many human beings as possible. I see them not only where they are now, I see where they're going to be by the end of what I'm done. And then I make this wrackle shift in my body. I make these moves and explosive breath. And then I storm out there. And then I've taken myself, imagine, on a 0 to 10 to a 20 of intensity. so now I can drop down to a nine feels like I'm very relaxed but I've got a lot more gears in me than you know and that's how I can project to the guy at the top of the stadium and hold him for 12 hours you know who wouldn't sit for a three-hour movie someone spent 300 million dollars on and do you think a lot about your diet and nutrition yeah I'm totally committed to that and I also train like a crazy person and I do hyperbaric oxygen I mean you name it I'm a biohacker and I'm committed.

51:32I have a whole company that does it for people as well. So I've always done that because I've had to, to perform. And I'm 66 going to produce results that were designed by a 25 year old, right? But I'm stronger today than I was then. I've got more aerobic capacity. I've got more muscle capacity. So, I mean, there's a limit, but I haven't found it yet. If you follow me, you've probably heard me talk about hiring more so than anything else. You've probably seen me on Behind the Diary, which is our other YouTube channel, talking about how obsessed I am with the hiring process. And this really brings me to a recommendation I'd love to give you, which is to check out our sponsor, LinkedIn, if you're having hiring difficulties.

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52:43Then use the promotion feature to access LinkedIn Jobs' new AI assistant. That's linkedin.com slash doac. Terms and conditions apply. In a world of challenging meaning, where a lot of my viewers are struggling with meaning, One of the things I've noticed is that it appears, especially with young men who you talked about earlier, it appears that more and more of them are turning to religion. And you mentioned your faith in God there. It's a really interesting phenomenon for me that I've observed in my own life. I've talked about this a few times. Certain friends of mine who were very individualistic, they were living the dream in any way that you might define it.

53:18You know, they had money, they had freedom, they had no boss, no dependents, no partner. and suddenly you see their life turn into what looks like depression, a form of depression, an absence of meaning in their lives. And I wanted just to throw this out there because we are in a society that's, I think, increasingly encouraging independence. And there's upsides to independence, of course. We all understand those. But I wondered if there's sort of a double-edged sword here when we're, you kind of said it earlier, about making the world more about just me, me, me, and I. And in a world of abundance, I imagine many more people are going to choose to make it about I, I, I, I, I?

53:55Because I can. I could put a headset on, but theoretically, never leave my house. Someone could literally put, a robot puts the food in my mouth. I could have some sex robot that just gets me off. Money comes in my account by UBI. The reason your friends got depressed, I've had this happen. I've seen this as well. I've had, you know, most of my friends are older than I am. Usually for some reason, I gravitated to men that were 18, 20 years my senior who were brilliant and learning from them and seeing where they're going in their life and so forth. But I watched some of them sell their company and make a billion two.

54:25And then they were happy for a month maybe. And they'd call me, let's go do this, go do that. And I'd try to go over to some. But I got a lot of companies. I got a lot of kids. I got a lot of things, right? And eventually they all want to get back in the game because we have six human needs. Certainty. Uncertainty. Because think about this. If you were certain every moment of your life, you know what someone's going to say. And I'm sure you've had this somewhat. You know what they're going to say before they're going to say it. But if you knew what someone's saved for, they're going to say, you know what's going to happen for, what's going to happen every moment of every day.

54:56In the beginning, it'd be cool. But after a while, what would you feel? Bored. Out of your mind bored. So God, in her infinite wisdom, gave us uncertainty. We need variety. We need surprise. So I ask people, you're going to state in 15 ,000 people, and I say, how many of you love surprises? And everybody raises their hand, yay. And I go, bullshit. You love the surprises you want. The surprises you don't want, you call problems. But we need those too. Right? Third need is significance. They need to feel unique. You need to feel special. They need to feel important. Who do you think has that need?

55:29All of us. Everyone. Yeah. Now, some people, like Donald Trump, it's pretty obvious, right? And some people, though, it's like, I don't want significance. I don't want to be special. That's only because they feel if they get special, they'll get attacked. Right? Some people do it by earrings. Some people buy tattoos in certain areas. Some by knowing box scores about a sport more than anybody else. Some people buy their art. Some people buy the way they dress. Some people buy their money. Some people be more generous. Everyone finds a way, okay? However, some people do it through violence, okay?

55:58So let me give you another seed. Why has violence always been with us? If I feel I'm insignificant, and this is, by the way, even more powerful in most men's cases because of the nature of testosterone, right? Testosterone is about significance. It's about being dominant, right? So if I'm in a community and I'm driving by or I'm walking by this community and it's a tough community, a tough environment, somebody comes up, puts a gun to my head. I've never met them in my life. Why? Well, first of all, how certain do you think that person is you're going to respond when they put a gun to your head?

56:33Before, you may not have paid attention to them, but you're going to pay attention now. How significant are they in your life on a 0 to 10 scale with that gun to your head? They're the most significant thing on earth. And by the way, every time it's a little different, they get variety. Anytime you meet a belief, an emotion, or a behavior meets at least three of these six needs, you will become addicted to that thought, that feeling, or that behavior. It could be a positive one or a negative one, but you will become addicted to it. So violence connects to those three, but you can also get significance by tearing other people down.

57:06So why do we have so many warriors in their little house, you know, doing their little virtual signaling, doing what they're doing? Because they've never done anything with their life. And it used to be I'd have to confront you. Now I don't confront you. I don't even know who I am. I can say all this terrible shit, and I'm sitting in my place and make my seal feel significant because I make you smaller, I'm bigger. It's why social media is so terrible. There's great things in social media. It's what's so terrible about it. It's like people now can meet their need for significance without much effort.

57:33No consequence. You come and say this directly to me, you're going to pay a price of some sort, right? That's no longer there. Now, fourth need, connection and love. Everybody wants love. Most people settle for connection because they've had love at one point. It was so painful when it ended, they decided to settle for connection. How can you get it? You can get it by going for a run and feeling connected to God of the universe, nature. You can get it by prayer. You can get it by being with some friends. You can get it by making love. You can get it by getting a dog. If nothing else, get a dog.

58:05Don't get a cat. Cats leave. But, you know, dogs, you leave for two minutes. It's like you've been gone for six months. They'll make you feel very loved. There's a million ways to feel connection and love. Some are positive, some are negative. Some people get connected by their problems. They're always comparing problems. You ever seen two people comparing, but I have this. Well, you think that's bad. Let me tell you mine. They're arguing over significance and they're connecting through their problems, right? So the biggest drug on earth is not cocaine. It's not fentanyl. It's not dope. It's problems.

58:35Because the deepest fear everybody has is they're not enough. and our deeper fears, if we're not enough, we won't be loved. I've never met a human being. I've worked with Kings, Queens, winners of everything you can imagine, Academy Awards, scientists. There's some point in which you might feel for someone you care about most that you're not smart enough, young enough, old enough, pretty enough, funny enough, rich enough, playful enough, something enough. And it is the worst feeling on earth to feel like you are unloved and worthless is internal death. So people come up with a story. It's just because I have, you know, I have this dyslexia.

59:09That's why. Or it's because I was raped and maybe they really were raped. I'd like to kill the guy that hurt them. But that's not why they're feeling what they're feeling right now. It's because they're fearful. And so if you have a big problem, that's why I'm not where I want to be. It's not that I'm not enough and not worthy of love. And so people use problems the way to connect. Now, these first four needs, certainty, uncertainty, you can see how they'd have a conflict. But have you ever rented a movie you've already watched? Yeah. Get a life. I have two. Why would we do that? Because we're certain it's good, but it's been long enough that we hope it's been, there's a variety.

59:44We won't remember it all. I'll have a variety once again. Yeah. So you can meet multiple needs through the same task potentially. But certainty, uncertainty, significance, here you are in Hollywood. Why do people come to Hollywood? Be famous. Be famous, right? They don't know what that really is. If they did, some of them would move away from it. but significance is what they're looking for. But what they really want is love. That's what everybody wants. But you know what the problem is? They think if they're significant, everyone's going to love them. And I get these clients without mentioning any names, the biggest names in Hollywood, the biggest names in sports.

1:00:18And you know what their number one thing is? They're angry. Why are they angry? Because they thought if I'm significant, everybody loved me. And now they go, people rip me online. They interrupt me with my family trying to have dinner. They don't give a shit about me. They just want a picture. They just want this. And if I don't do it, they write that about me. They care about themselves. They care about themselves. And so what happened is I thought by being significant, I would be loved. And now I'm super significant and I'm not loved. I'm attacked. Because the more you try and push your significance on someone, the less significant they make you.

1:00:48If you love someone, there's nothing more significant than that. True love, not a trade, not I'll love you if you give me something. Genuine love. And if that happens, you become significant in people's lives. But that's the number one challenge in this community. So significance, love, have attack. If you're significant, you're the individual. But I need to be connected. Well, if I'm so connected, who am I? And that's the pull. The secret to it all are the final two needs. These are the spiritual needs. Not religious, but spiritual. And that is we all must grow. When you grow, you feel alive.

1:01:19And if you don't grow, you start to die inside. And this isn't my rule. Everything in the universe grows or dies, as you well know. This is the law of the universe. If your relationship's not growing, it's dying. Don't bullshit yourself. If your business is not growing, you're a businessman, you know. It is not growing. It is dying. You better do something now, right? But we grow so we have something finally to give, which is where meaning comes in life. When I grow, I have something more to give. And if I can give that to someone, then my life is more meaningful than just the pleasure of I have the machine that, you know, makes me feel pleasure in certain parts of my body and feeds me and all the things you talked about.

1:01:52If you went to Vegas and you pull down that, you know, that little jukebox thing and you get boom, boom, boom, bars, bars, bars. What's your reaction? Amazing. And you pull it a second time and you get it again. Amazing. And you do it a third time and you get it again. That's amazing. And now you do it a hundred times. Yeah, that's amazing. And now what you have is a job. You do this and you've got a predictable outcome. The fact that you don't know what the outcome is, that's the jackpot in it that gets someone hooked on anything. That's what makes it significant because it's scarce, right? So when you do this, if I said to you Osama bin Laden, what would you say is top need driving force?

1:02:35Was it certainty? Was it variety? Was it significance? Was it love? Was it growth or contribution? I'd say probably significance. 100%. He was one of, I forgot the number, 27 children. Literally, he was 27 children. He was a nobody. He took his dad's money. He was not very religious. And he went to Afghanistan and he used his money and became significant. Not by shooting people. He provided resources. And then all of a sudden his entire life changed. How do you know? The most significant thing is he sent other people to die. He didn't go to die. He sent other people. Now, his number one drive is significance and his way of doing it was to get other people to die.

1:03:13On that same day, 9-11, there were men and women in the fire department, police department, who went into those buildings knowing a good chance they would die to save a stranger. Also driven by significance but with different rules. If I die a hero, my life is meaningful. And that's a meaningful life. So people can even have the same need structure, but their beliefs about how to meet those needs are the most important thing. And the needs of connection and love, growth and contribution have no downside. Certainty make, if you have certainty is your number one thing, you're always trying to keep life the same way and you're going to be stressed out.

1:03:50Especially with AI, you're going to be really stressed out. If you're a variety person, you can have a lot of fun. but eventually not much variety. The life you described for all these people, now they have the money, they have the sex, they have this, they have that, they have the woman, they have the notoriety, they have the Academy Award. It all gets old because if we're not growing, it doesn't matter. How many people do you know that were famous, who were rich, who had supposedly everything people want and took their own life? Why did they take their life? They stopped growing and stopped having a sense of meaning by giving.

1:04:20I can show you example after example of people. So these need structures in the new world have to be met. We can meet certainty right now very easily by going online and controlling our communication. That's why people text. That's much easier than communicating back and forth with someone, right? We can get variety by going online so easily now. We can get significance, tear other people down or work on something significant, we think, right? AI, explore the world. We can get a sense of connection through people online or through a robot. These days, people have an AI and they talk to it like it's their boyfriend or girlfriend because it totally affirms them.

1:04:55They say something idiotic and they tell you you're so smart, right? You're better, right? But you're missing growing and contributing. If you're missing growing and contributing, you will not feel fulfilled. You, as a person, if I've read your books correctly and I didn't read them all, but I've had pieces of it, probably the best lesson you got early in life was there's the science of achievement and there's the art of fulfillment. They're two different skills. If you want an extraordinary life, you need both. You go to the East, they're really great about fulfillment. They can live in poverty and feel totally happy and connected to God or the universe.

1:05:28You come here and people can have an incredible external life, but their internal life often not so nice. They get really pissed off because they didn't get their special sauce on their burger, right? It's a different world. I believe you can merge those two. How? You master the science of achievement. There are rules to achieve, as you well know. You wrote an old book with 33 rules in it. Me too. Right? So I know those rules. I know I wrote books on finance, three of them. I want an answer. Is it still possible to win the financial game? Because so many young people think it can't be done. So I interviewed 50 of the greatest financial people alive today.

1:05:59All started with nothing. All billionaires. Nobody from the Lucky Sperm Club. They all did it on their own. Ray Dalio, Carl Icahn, Warren Buffett, all of them. And guess what I found? They're all different, but I'm a modeler. I found the strategies that are common between them. And I applied them. I taught other people, wrote the books, but I applied on myself. And that's how my businesses and my life grew geometrically. I modeled. I didn't have to learn on my own experience. You follow? I've got to ask you some questions on those two points. So on these six needs, because I also want to ask you about the 50 rich people that you've interviewed for the books.

1:06:29But on those six needs, when you look at someone like me and you look at the broad world that I'm heading towards as a 30-year-old man, what configuration of these needs? well I'll tell you what creates all the pain first okay please so if I go to a room and I'll say I explain these needs like I have I know this is kind of lecture here I didn't mean to be that but I just want to share because I'm so passionate about it and I'll get people to understand what they are and then I ask them I want you to write down what you think your top two needs have been not in what you want but in the way you've been living because people might want love but they think they have to be significant before they can get it or they might want love but they want certainty that level never go away.

1:07:09You follow me? And so that modifies things. And I'll say, so the way you've lived, the way you've lived, what would have been the top two? And then I say, I want you to write a paragraph about what's the downside of having that one so high on your list. And it's amazing. So then I say, now write what you think your list top two should be to go to the next level of your life. Okay. Let's have that you do that. What do you think your top two needs? I see you're doing it already, which I love. I love how active you are. So what would you say your top two have been up until now i think if i'm being completely honest yes and i by the way by the way i want to thank you because i watched several of your pieces and you are you're not bullshitting about because there's just no i'm gonna die someday so there's no even if being honest makes me look bad it's like who cares my i of course like significance of course yes especially from where i you know came from where i came from yeah that was the big problem was you know being different and not in a good way that's right and then i would say um interestingly it feels like uncertainty and significance are really really high for me because yes yes i've for some reason i have a very a huge appetite for uncertainty yeah well you're wired that way in a beautiful way it also leads to learning for you that's one of your vehicles for learning is it not yeah yeah dropping out of school stopping going to school when i was younger dropping out of university quitting jobs where, you know, I shouldn't have quit them after a month.

1:08:31Which, by the way, if certainty was your top need, would you have done that? No. No. No. Completely. So do you understand this? These are, I'm talking about the six controlling forces of your life. There's a million stories about your life, but there's only six reasons you do anything. Yeah. You have all these stories with reasons. So what would you say would be the downside of that? By the way, there would have been upsides, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, great. Yeah, yeah. We're sitting here because of the upsides. Your desire for significance made you look for significant ideas, significant application.

1:08:57succeed in business. Oh, the downsides of wanting significance is - At the top, not because it's valuable. Significance is valuable, period. Everyone should want it, but it's the sequence. So if it's the top of your list, what's the downside? For me, it costs me connection and love and all these, and some of these other opportunities. That's correct. Which is what you really want underneath it all. Yeah. Your desire for significance really came from the fact that you were not loved and connected by people. People judge you the color of your skin. They put you in a community where you were different.

1:09:25You were outside the, so it's like, I'll show them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Which, by the way, was a very healthy response, right? But now at this stage of your life, this is the gift that you have now at this stage of your life, right? You're entering this second season, right? Yeah. Now you don't have to be driven by that anymore. You already are significant. Like, what more are you going to do that's not significant? I'm sure you'll find more significant things to do, but you've done so many significant things. You've helped millions of people, I'm sure, through your insights, your elements.

1:09:51You've written books. You've built businesses. and you're only 33 years old. That's pretty effing awesome, right? So now you get the leisure of being able to sit back and say, now with a greater level of consciousness, what would ideally be my top two? What would you say your top two need to be to have the next level of your life, to go to the next level for you? It's really easy for me to answer this question. Connection and love and the need to grow and give. Yes, yes. Yeah, well, those are two different ones. Contribution, growth and contribution. Of those two, which one do you think is even more important for you?

1:10:23Oh, God, of those two. Yeah. It's hard because one you can see as a vehicle to the other. Yeah, exactly. I understand that, but I'm asking a different question. I'm saying, which is more important to feel, experience? It would be contribution. Yes. So for you, you're saying love and contribution? I'm saying love and contribution. In what order? Love first and then contribution. It's a good choice. In my head, I tried the other way around, and I thought, no. It's almost like monks have said to me many years ago that you need to fill up your cup so you have something to pour out for others. Yes.

1:10:53And that's what I was thinking of. I was thinking it doesn't work the other way around. That was a wise choice. Most people wouldn't make that choice. I, for most of my life, was contribution first and then love. It was my way of earning love. And so, like, I'd be on stage for 13 hours, and this is before people had phones, and everybody wants to sign something and give me a hug. I work my guts out, and then that was my take-it-in time. So I'd be there, finish at 1.30 or 2 in the morning, and I'd be there till 3.30, till every person had an autograph, got their hug and everything else. Now his picture is a lot faster.

1:11:22But that was my life. I met my wife, Sage, changed my entire life. She didn't care that I was Tony Robbins. She just loved me. And all of a sudden, I never thought 12 ,000, 15 ,000, 20 ,000 people of love pouring at you could compare, one person could compare, but way beyond that. So now I finish it. I'm going to give my guts. I go to one in the morning, but then I get up and I leave. I take pictures in the middle of the day, but then I leave at that time and I go and be with my wife. and it switched where love was there because think about this. If contribution is first, and this is what a lot of people do, then it's a way to protect yourself from feeling rejected.

1:12:00Because if I'm always giving to you truly generously over beyond what you can imagine and then you treat me like shit, well, then you're clearly the problem, right? I don't have to think I'm not enough. But the more honest way is love because if it's love first, now I'm giving because I want to, not because I have to. Does that make sense? So tell me how you think that would change your life if you made love and contribution your top two and the way you actually live? Because you already value love and contribution, but if they were the highest priority, how would it shift your life for the better in your mind?

1:12:28I feel like I would be significantly less stressed. You are correct. You are absolutely correct. So when I ask the audience this, I have them write down and I've got 15 ,000 people and I'll say, okay, how many have certainty on your list? And they've come to an event that has a firewalk, right? And you get like 50, 60 % of the rooms in their top two of their list. right? Because in our culture, it's still the most important one. It's the foundational one. It's the one that's going to have the biggest problem with AI because they want things to stay the same and life isn't. The only thing that's for certain is change.

1:13:00And now rapid change, like geometrically rapid change. Okay. Variety, small number, significance through the roof. Social media has made significance disproportionate in our culture. And that's why people are so unhappy. You used to maybe compare most yourself to your neighbors or your friends. Now you compare yourself to a billionaire's of which there's only 3000. Right. And so you're like, my life's not that great anymore. Or you compare it to pictures that have been doctored. A friend of mine owns a gym and he says, so you can't believe it. Women and men come in here who are influencers. They lay everything out and then they do their video and they never work out.

1:13:36They're 27 years old. They don't have to work out for shit. I mean, it's like they do a minimum workout. They got jeans. They're just fine. They don't even do the workout. It's all pictures. It's all bullshit. Right. You know, he goes, it makes me so mad because, you know, real people, they're working hard to make something happen. So that's why people get so women, especially depressed, comparing themselves to images that are not even real. Right. It's totally absurd. So when I do it with the audience, though, certainty and significance is 80 percent of the room. Right. There's growth people, contribution people.

1:14:05But that's the dominant force because of our cultural conditioning and because certainty is basically a survival tool. Then I've asked them to do what you did. And I say, OK, tell me. I don't tell them anything. Like, I didn't tell you anything. And then I say, okay, who has certainty on their list now? And in a room of 15 ,000 people, 12 ,000 people, there might be like five. Okay, there's five people that really don't like pain. So I point that out to them and they look at me. And then I go, okay, how many you got? You know, variety. There'll be more variety. How many got significance? The number plummets just like it did with you.

1:14:34People, I didn't tell them anything. Their own intelligence knows this, right? How many got love? Through the roof, right? Contribution through the roof. Growth through the roof. Those are the ones that expand. And then we show people how to condition that, though, because it's one thing to know it. It's another thing to start training it in your body to make those priorities happen in your life, right? Just like any other habit, working out or anything else. You have to build the neurology of that. You have to practice putting yourself in those states over and over again where you make the value based on love or you make the value based on contribution.

1:15:03See, before, you do something to be significant and you miss out on some of the love. Now, love is probably always what you wanted. That's why you can make that decision so quickly, right? But now I'm going to go for that first, not this circuitous route. By the way, you will still be significant. You'll be loving first, and you'll be contributing, and that will make you significant. Is it really possible to change that deeply? No, not at all. I've never been able to do that in my 49th year. I've never seen that happen. No, I was thinking really, really deeply about what you were saying, and I was thinking there will be some people that are listening.

1:15:38and I think there was maybe a part of me my conscious that's like because I because that's a journey I've never gone on before I've never shifted from the you're not going to do it by discussion you have to have leverage what is that leverage is uh you have to have something you value more than your present way of doing things leverage can be pain or pleasure right so like my fiance yeah your fancy yeah I understand how you got to LA. A little leverage, right? Her love, her happiness, her joy. Oh, that's beautiful. That's my girl. You and Sage. That's awesome. You're good at putting people in state with her pictures.

1:16:14That's impressive. It's a beautiful photo. Yeah. I love her so much. And we've been together 25 years. I love her more today than ever before. She is a force in nature, this woman. Really, really great. But yes, she's leveraging my life. My youngest daughter's massive leverage, you know, four and a half years old. It's beautiful. But I'll give you an example. I worked with a woman one time on stage, and she was a colon therapist and a vegan. But she was always sick because she's so stressed all the time trying to be perfect at everything. There's a constriction in her body, right? And the level of stress was just ridiculous, right?

1:16:51So I was trying to get her to have some other options about what to do without boring me the whole story. I'm looking for leverage always. That's how you get someone to make a change. You've got to make change a must, not a should. Not me making it to you. If I put a gun to your head, that's leverage. But some people would rather die than bend to your will. You have to find out what moves that person. It's unique for everyone. Not what motivates them. I hate the word motivation. I've never used it. I want to know your drives. Look, if you're fat, you're motivated to eat. I want to know what's underneath.

1:17:18I want to know what the drives are. So this woman, I'm trying to help her make changes. And I show her these things and see the consequences. And she wouldn't change, wouldn't change. So finally, I said, man, I got to push this light. It's like, I said, how long, I wouldn't tell her this, I asked. I said, how long would the person with the level of stress with these things you're doing and these ailments, how long will a person like that live if they don't change? And she paused and she thought and she said, probably to 35. How old are you? 32. So I thought, okay, she's going to change now. Maybe she's going to do it, right?

1:17:53That's the leverage. She's got to change. But I can't change. I just can't. It's just how my life is. I said, well, I said, this session is on videotape, you know? And I said, how do you think your daughter's going to feel when she's carrying your coffin and she knows that you knew you could shift this and you didn't? This is pretty intense. I mean, she thinks she's going to die. If she doesn't do it, she probably could. So I'm picking up big leverage, right? She goes, I know that's horrible, but I can't change. And part of my head, I'm like, holy shit, she's not going to change here. what the hell is going to change her?

1:18:30And then I said to her, I said, yeah, what if her new mother is a meat eater? And she exploded on stage. That is not happening. I will not make this happen. I mean, she went berserk. And she goes, fine, I'm changing this now. Like there is always leverage. There is something that will make change a must and not a should. Change is never a matter of ability. It's always a matter of strong enough reasons, of motive. If you've got strong enough reasons, you can do just about anything. But if you have weak reasons, you're not going to do anything. So the fact that you understand this is our discussion.

1:19:05In an event, you'd be in a rather peak state, and I'd take you through a process of consequence, where you will envision what the consequences are, and then you can make that shift. And you've still got to condition it. This specific change is the hardest one. I think a lot of people might say, I was thinking forward of life events to come and becoming a father. Yes. It's often. That will do that. It will absolutely shift a lot of people. Becoming a father, getting married, falling in love. There are certain events. Losing people will make you reevaluate things. Hitting a birthday, you know, you're 33.

1:19:36When you hit your 40th birthday, I'm sure you don't think it will be any different. I remember people telling me that. But you tend to reevaluate for some weird reason in our culture. and after 40, usually a five-year or a 50-year, 60-year. It's just part of the way we look at life. There's a process you go through, and there'll be different things that trigger you. But when you want a real lasting change, you have to change the driving force. When we change these, it's changing your values. So again, like, think about how your brain is a predictor, and it's trying to close the gap between what it's predicting and what reality is.

1:20:11When it's not working, it looks for an answer. When you get to the point where your old strategy doesn't work enough and you have enough pain, you will search for something new. And if at that time we can give you something that actually works, you'll grab it. It's like if you're drowning in a sea of confusion and I throw your life raft, you're not going to go, I don't like the color. You're going to grab a hole and it comes into your unconscious. And the last thing I'd say about that is it's also about going beyond your conscious mind, right? If you ever try to do something and then sabotage yourself, it's just consciously you wanted one thing, subconsciously another.

1:20:43I believe all lasting change happens in an altered state. When I say an altered state, you could call it hypnosis. I tell people I'm a dehypnotist. Most people walk around in hypnosis. People tell me, like, you can't hypnotize me, and they're in a hypnotized state in that moment. Did you ever drive your car, and then something catches your attention, and you stay focused on it too long, and all of a sudden you realize, holy shit, who's been driving the car? You ever had that experience? That was a hypnosis state. Hypnosis just means you're inside, not outside most of the time. And in a hypnotic state, what goes in goes in deeper than just in a consciousness state.

1:21:17That's why I like doing storytelling. And my wife and I, there's certain things in life that just shouldn't happen that are inhuman, and trafficking is one of them. And we had a friend that's child was taken and trafficked. It was the most brutal thing. And so I got us involved. And so we've contributed to 72 ,000 children being saved. I've gone out on some of these undercover with scars on my face and elements. It's the most brutal thing you can possibly imagine. But I tell you this because when you witness certain things in life that are so intense, they alter you. They change you. They change what you value.

1:21:52They change what you make important in your life. And so what I say to people, you want your life to keep growing, keep putting yourself in new environments. Keep getting around things you're not used to and let something hit you. People don't know their passions because they keep going and doing the same things. It's like get around where it's better and see what hits you. And something's going to strike you. Something's going to wake you up. Something is going to make you feel more, desire more, want to give something to life as opposed to just live your life. Because the life you describe to those people is predictable.

1:22:21You get familiarized. Even pain. I mean, you look at people in Auschwitz. Man's Search for Meaning is one of my favorite books. Have you read it? Victor Franklin. Yeah, and I bought the rights. I'm making the movie, right? Oh, really? The reason I was telling you about the finding the kids is I made The Sound of Freedom. Did you see it? Yes. It's incredible. And we beat Disney that week, and people thought it would never happen, right? But that movie changed people radically, woke them up, brought resources to the table, created real shift. Man's Search the Meaning, I think, can do that as well.

1:22:50But in those places, they get habituated to the pain. You get habituated to pain or pleasure. That's why we've got to grow. And when we grow, we get that life cycle we feel more alive, and then we got something to share and then we feel meaning and it's like a virtuous cycle and life gets better and better. Last month I told you about our sponsor Function Health and their team who've developed a way of giving you a full 360 view of what's going on inside your body. They offer over 100 advanced lab tests covering everything from hormones, toxins, inflammation, heart health, stress and so much more.

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1:25:26Group of companies, yeah. And then earlier on, you said you'd spoken to these 50 very, very rich people in the pursuit of writing the books that you've written about wealth and finance and money. Pattern recognition. That's right. What is the pattern that you noticed in those people that you then applied to yourself? What is the pattern? You know, this is called the diary of a CEO. So I'm sure we have a lot of people that are thinking about building businesses want to get financially free especially in a world of AI where they're they're very uncertain about how they'll make money and how they'll provide stability to their family what is the pattern that you have found in all of those people that you have met and interviewed and I know you know some of the most wealthy people on earth because I know you coach a lot of them um I don't think people fully realize the significance of how many of the most influential people on planet earth you have worked with and continue to work with.

1:26:12I found it hilarious reading that Bill Clinton called you the day before he was going to be impeached, telling you that he was going to be impeached and asking you what he should do. Yeah. First, let's say what everybody makes the mistake on the majority of people. We live in a free enterprise system and we have kids that all think communism is great. I just want you to know, I went to the USSR when it was still the USSR. I was 24 years old. I was brought there because of my firewalking experience. And I went on a train from Moscow to Siberia and back for two weeks. On the train, we were all fed caviar and the most incredible meals, as were all the Russians on the plane, right?

1:26:47We're supposed to be all equal, right? That's supposedly what communism is. Everything's fair for everybody. Every single town, we'd stop in the square, and in the square, there's a big building, and they wrapped around for about maybe a quarter of a mile. People standing in the freezing cold to get a quart of milk and a half a thing of bread. I left there and I became a capitalist. I didn't know what a capitalist was, but I knew I wasn't a communist, right? So people in our country are the free enterprise system, but they don't understand it. So what are they making the mistake of? They're consumers, they're not owners.

1:27:19We are a consumer society and we train these kids to be consumers, adults as well. So I'll give you a simple example. I was trying to give an example to a young kid the other day. So I actually did the math on it. You have an iPhone? Yeah. Okay. Have you always had an iPhone? Well, yeah, for the last decade or more, yeah. All right. So iPhones ran for, what, 18 years, 19 years? I went and did the numbers and found out what the cost was for every iPhone. Added it up. If you've got an iPhone each time, somebody who's older than that, you spent$22 ,000 and some change at the retail price. If you bought the stock, I went and saw what the stock was on the same day the thing came out, and you bought the stock.

1:27:54Same amount of money of the stock. Apple stock. Apple stock. $326 ,000 right now. Instead of out$22 ,000, you have$326 ,000. If you're going to use an Apple phone, I'm not saying it's Apple specifically. I'm not making a recommendation. Why would you not own the company, right? Because we don't teach people to think that way. And so now they think communism is going to be the answer. They don't understand what that really means. They have no clue. So you have to become an owner. That's what you have to do. Then the second piece is when I interviewed all these people, I found four things with them.

1:28:23I found, number one, their focus didn't matter if they're a macro trader or if they were value trader or it didn't matter what their style was. the four things that had in common i call them the core four was number one they all were focused on not losing money most people are trying to make money and the reason is they know if you lose you know you lose you get a hundred thousand dollar investment you lose 50 percent how much do you have to grow your money to get your money back and people will say 50 percent no you got to grow it a hundred percent right you get it yeah right so they know that so they're first making sure they don't know how do they do that they do it by asset allocation right they all have different asset allocation strategies which at the most basic level is you don't put all your eggs in one basket most people put all their money in their business or their house right they know that that is the kiss of death and so they look at how to divide their assets where they have a certain amount in a more secure environment meaning not a lot of upside but it's kind of the nest egg and they have some that are more at risk and there's different and i learned what players are, and I taught those different ones.

1:29:29But the most valuable one, I know you know, because I read it in your book, and I was really impressed, asymmetrical risk-reward. Their entire focus is not about taking risks, right? There are only a few people. You think you're a billionaire because you took giant risks, right? No, no, no. Some do, but they don't usually stay billionaires doing that, right? How do they do it? They figure out what's the smallest amount of risk with the most amount of upside that I can do. And so Paul Tudor Jones's approach was five to one. If I'm going to risk a dollar, I want to be certain I'm going to make five.

1:30:02You and I, most average people would normally think, I used to think, well, 12, 15, 20 % return, right? But here's how it works. If I risk$1 and I'm certainly going to make five and I'm wrong, I'm down one. I can risk a dollar and still make four. I can be wrong four times out of five and still be okay. That's how those guys become billionaires. Asymmetrical risk war. I was talking to a gentleman who in 19, 2008, excuse me, he took$25 million and turned into$2 billion in the worst economic time. He anticipated what was going to happen with the real estate. Everybody thought it was going to keep going up.

1:30:38He used synthetic bets and bet against it, made$2 billion. Brilliant, brilliant job. And I said to him, you know, what is the things that's missing for investors. He goes, well, the smartest investors are usually the worst investors because they want absolute certainty. They know everything before they decide. And by that time, the opportunity's gone. And he said, but the most important key for him is asymmetrical risk reward. He said, I risked, I think he said he risked six cents for every dollar. He could have been wrong a dozen times, but he wasn't. That's how he did it. Right. And then the fourth one is the obvious one we both know, which is diversification.

1:31:14But this is the real key. You know, Ray Dalio is, right? Yeah. Yeah, I've interviewed him actually. Yeah, Saray's a good friend. One of the questions I asked him was, if we had to reduce it to the single most important investment principle to no. I mean, you're the da Vinci of investing. No one has made more money than you in this area. You know, I said, what is it? Is there one? There's got to be one. And he goes, Tony, there is. He goes, I spent almost nine years refining this and it's so simple. So the holy grail of investing is to find eight to 12 uncorrelated investments that you feel strongly about.

1:31:48If you find 8 to 12 of those, you reduce your risk 80 % and keep your upside. In fact, you slightly enhance your upside. Uncorrelated for someone. Uncorrelated. Now, that's the hard part today because so many markets are correlated. What does uncorrelated mean for someone that does? Well, for example, stocks and bonds, traditionally I thought of as uncorrelated, meaning, you know, stocks in a tough time, those are the ones, excuse me, in a growing time, stocks are where you put your money, but bonds are to protect you when the market goes down. Unfortunately, doing most things like 2008 or 2020, they both go down at that time, but nobody talks about that.

1:32:21They just go, oh, it's this weird thing. It happens regularly. So things like that don't move together. That's right. They don't move together. Well, so much is tied together today. But the only way to really do it is you've got to have private investment, private equity, private credit, private real estate. You have to diversify beyond just stocks and bonds. And then you can get that across it by different industries, different elements. Because think about this. This will blow your mind. Private equity, basic private equity, not I interviewed 12 of the best in the world. Basic private equity has outproduced every stock market in the world for 40 years.

1:32:52Every single stock market in the world every year for 40 years. Now, you don't have total liquidity. That's you're giving something up, but your returns are in a different place. They don't have to sell when things are tough. They take advantage. These are the smartest people out there. And they're not just trying to get alpha. They're a building value, right? They take a company. They put AI in it. They bring new people to it. And then they take it to the public or in most cases, they sell it to private companies. There are fewer public companies than ever. So I looked it up and it was fantastic.

1:33:20See, the average S &P for 39 years was 9%. Nice return. If you put a million dollars down, you know, you'd have$28 million, you know, 39 years later without doing anything. But if you put it in basic private equity, basic private equity is average 15.7%. Think about the difference. of compounding that every single year. It's crazy. Now it's worth$328 million. That's the difference between the same investment in public versus private. So it's finding these pieces. But when you do eight to 12 uncorrelated investments or more, reduce your risk by 80%. That's how you get higher returns and the same time, because most people are behind.

1:34:04You didn't come from a financial background. No, I have no financial background. You didn't study finance in university? No. So where did you learn all this stuff about finance? By going to the very best on earth. Like, why would I go to university with a professor who's never done anything when I can go to 50 of the smartest people on earth? Or in private equity, I went to 13 of the smartest ones, the most successful in history. Is your superpower learning? Yes, I think it's, that's what I tried to say to you from the beginning. That's what pattern recognition, pattern realization, pattern creation is.

1:34:30If you don't learn at a rapid tempo in the world right now, you're cheating yourself of an extraordinary life. Is there a tactic or a strategy to make me a better learner? Especially someone that does this podcast. I get to meet people like you. So I want to store everything in this time that we have. Yes, I believe in immersion and spaced repetition. So I believe, like, did you take a language in school? Oh, God, yeah, German. Can you speak it? Nein. That's right. So most people go to college or high school and college, and they take a language, right? And five years later, 10 years later, can't speak a word, right?

1:35:03Immersion is how you do it. So if I wanted to teach you a language, and you had the time and money, I would take you to Italy and I would drop you in the middle of Rome and say, I'll see you in 90 days. With no one to teach you in 90 days, are you going to be speaking the language? Better. You're going to speak the language. You're going to know the nuances of the language. You're going to have a pitch and tone that's more there because that's how you learned originally by total immersion. So the reason I do 12 hours a day for four days, 50 hours in a weekend or 60 hours, and most people think I'll never do that by the time of their life.

1:35:34So time disappears when you're enjoying yourself and you hate it. I mean, it feels like eternity. But the reason I'm able to do that is that immersion is like years of experience and you're in a peak state while you're doing it. So you remember it because it's locked in like 9-11 as opposed to 8-11. So I live that. The other thing that I do is I'm capturing. I use AI now to do it. I've kept journals my whole life just like it looks like you've done. But I'm building on it. But I have my AI that I've been feeding over and over and over again the things I wanted to remember, the principles. And I create structures to evaluate these things.

1:36:05And I asked you there about how these wealthy investors make their money. The last question I really have around this is how the best entrepreneurs in the world make their money. Again, we're called the Diary of a CEO. So there's lots of entrepreneurs and business builders watching. And I know you've worked with many of the world's top entrepreneurs. In fact, one of them wrote you a letter. Oh, which one? Mark Benioff. Oh, I love Mark. He's a beautiful man. For anyone that doesn't know who Mark is, he's the founder CEO of Salesforce. Yes. Yeah, he actually came to four, I think, or five of my seminars originally in a row, same seminar.

1:36:41And, you know, Mark's as big as I am. He's a big guy. And he was going for it full tilt. And finally, after the fourth one, he came up to me and said, you've convinced me I'm going to leave Oracle. I'm going to start my own business. I want you to come on the journey with me. It's called Salesforce.com. He said, we're going to change business around the world. And he said this to me. He goes, and I promise you we'll get to$100 million in business. Now he's doing like$42 billion, right? so but mark's what i love about mark is he's a contributor he's he's a social ceo like he does things for society he isn't just about himself he's an extraordinary human being he said dear tony i'm so deeply grateful for everything that you've done for me over the last four decades he talked about the seminars he'd been to with you and says that you've transformed his life through your inspiration and ideas he talks about that particular seminar you referenced as the moment that led him to go deeper and deeper and deeper.

1:37:32He said, it was at date with Destiny that I made the firm decision to leave Oracle and start my own company. We even had a brief conversation about it back then, if you remember. Fast forward 26 years and Salesforce now has 80 ,000 employees and generates over 40 billion in revenue annually. It stands as the largest enterprise software a company in the world. I truly could not have done it without you by my side. And as you always say, we often overestimate what we can do in one year, but we vastly underestimate what we can do in a few decades. Tony, I started this letter with gratitude, and I'll end it the same way.

1:38:10When I reached my most difficult moments, you were there. When I reached my highest heights, you were also there. I never forgot that whenever I reached out for help, you returned the phone call or text always quickly. Business and politics are temporal, but relationships are eternal. And yours is one I carry with me always. Congratulations on everything you're doing. I look forward to a wonderful future with you. Aloha, Mark. That's very beautiful. It makes me a little emotional. I love Mark. He's such a good man. And that's very kind of him to write that letter. He says he gives me more credit than I deserve.

1:38:50but I love him personally. I love strangers. I'm driven by that, but I love Mark because he's such a giver. I see him as a role model of what a great CEO is, someone who understands the social impact of what they're doing as well as the business impact. He's got a heart of gold. Of course, we all have ups and downs throughout our lives. He thinks I've just helped him. He's helped me too. It's never a one-way piece. It's not like I go around and coach all these people. I'm no idiot. I've learned so much from Mark. It's priceless. So I have to send that thanks right back to him. No question about it.

1:39:26Where does that emotion come from, nicely in your face? I don't know. I was just like, I'm an emotional guy. I'm an epithetic guy and I'm a lover. That's what drives all that I do. And to see somebody I love and to see how far he's come and to know that I've been able to be helpful to him at key moments is meaningful. You know, it's extremely meaningful because he's provided opportunities for millions of people, 80 ,000 employees, but millions of people through his creativity and his focus. And we've done a lot of cool things together. I called him one time, I was up in San Francisco for other business.

1:40:04And I read in the paper that this landlord was kicking out these nuns who had the food kitchen in the worst part of the city there, the Tenderloin district. And I was like, this guy's an idiot. I mean, I gotta, I gotta do something. So instead of leaving, I spent an extra day and I went and met these nuns, most incredible ladies. And they were spending all their time cooking food so they could sell food so they could make money so they could actually prepare food for the homeless there. And in this tiny little building and they were getting kicked out. So I called the owner and I said, listen, I'm on a lot of real estate.

1:40:38Also, I understand your rights as a real estate guy, but I said, do you want to be the most hated guy in San Francisco. I said, I'll give you an option. How about let them stay to the end of the year? I'll pay their lease. I'll pay twice the amount and then I'll get them out. I said, but you don't push them out now on the street. So we agreed. And so then I said to ladies, let's find a place for you and I'll help you find a place. We'll rent a place for you. And then I started getting phone calls and the phone calls I got. So it was a realtor and he goes, they're looking to buy a place. And I said, I said, well, where are they getting the money?

1:41:11I said, they said, I don't know. So I called, they met up and she goes, I said, you know, I was said, I'd, you know, pay for a place for you guys for a year, you know, at least you a place. I said, but I hear you're looking to buy a place. Do you guys have some capital I'm not aware of? And she goes, no. She goes, God will provide Tony. Like God will provide. So, so I spent, I don't know, a million two, something like that to find them a place. But then I called Mark because I don't want them living in the place. I said, Mark, match me on this. And I mean, he didn't hesitate a second. He had not even met the nuns.

1:41:43Then he went to the nuns. We went and met them. And he went and bought them a home for them to stay in. And then we went through four years of the city trying to not let them take over this place. But that's the kind of guy Mark is. So he's incredibly generous. And I'm very touched that I could count him as a friend and be helpful to him. And he's been so helpful to me. I've learned quite a lot about you today just from observing you. And one of the big things that I've learned is the two moments where I've seen tears in your eyes have both been moments where people have expressed a huge amount of love and appreciation for you.

1:42:14That's true. And I work back through your earliest years. And again, it's almost like a jigsaw puzzle coming into formation in my mind of how much you love love. I do. I think love is life. Love is the driving force in my life, for sure. There's no question about it. And that's why I can't, I hate to see suffering because it's the opposite of love. You know, if you love somebody, what do you do? Anything you can. So that's what I'm called to do. And it is, it's a calling. It's not a job. It's not a business. And I have all kinds of businesses, obviously, and I enjoy business, but this is my mission.

1:42:47This is what I'm made for. And I'm just one guy that I can't do everything, but I can do a lot. And I'm always thinking how to scale more, right? You know, whether it's feeding people or getting, you know, my wife and I, we're fortunate enough to have our own plane. And I don't want to just burn up a bunch of carbons. I found it's 3 ,000 trees. I said, let's plant 100 million trees. So we're up to 75 million. I think we're going to hit the 100 million this year. But we didn't just plant the trees. We taught the farmers, worked with an organization about how to build a crop not once a year, but to do it across 12 different months so that something drops out.

1:43:19They come out and they go from earning$1.25 a day and starving to making$12 a day, which doesn't sound like much makes them rich in that community so we're doing that it's like i just i love taking things to scale too it's like i love the individual impact and i love the global impact the combination of the two make life ever challenging and ever exciting with people like mark and entrepreneurs my last question about this pattern recognition and my last question is just as me as a you know i'm an entrepreneur i'm building businesses at the moment i'm earlier in my journey much earlier than someone like mark but what is the pattern that you've seen in these exceptional founders and entrepreneurs as it relates to building great businesses that you would impart on me?

1:43:57I don't think there's anything I'm going to part on you that you don't already know because the fundamentals are so simple. You have to, the business has to be more than a vehicle for money. And don't get me wrong. I mean, there are people who certainly succeed that way. But if you look at the people that build something that's lasting, it has to be a passion where it's something you believe in so much. It's so valuable. It's a contribution sense to you, not just in economic sense. Because in the beginning of a business, it's like having a child, you know? You know, you don't get a lot back. You work around the clock.

1:44:26You'll discover when your first child comes. And you love them. It's the pride of ownership. But if you're just, a lot of people start a business, think they're gonna get rich overnight and those people never succeed. So it's like finding something, a vision that not only you believe in, but others are completely moved by because you can attract people. You can't build an organization without great people. Do you think I could run all these companies if I was just sitting there every day? I mean, I've got some of the greatest leaders I could possibly recruit. I'm constantly looking for the second part, which is how do I find leaders?

1:44:56How do I find leaders that are smarter than I am in various areas and where I can pull together the right people together and create a culture that adds massive value and continually does so until it dominates that industry or that market or that marketplace? So I think you have to find something that's more than just a business for you. It has to be more than economics for you. It has to be a mission for the most successful people. You have to be able to have something you can articulate that can attract people. And you have to constantly find the very best that you can. And you got to constantly prune because the law of familiarity shows up.

1:45:30That's what your friends went through, right? They got all these great things, but know how great it is after a while? It's familiar. You know, it's like they don't have the same hunger. I look for not only wickedly smart people, which I love, but hungry people. When people ask me, like, what is the one common denominator of people that succeed on a massive scale around the world? I'd always in the beginning say, well, I love wicked intelligence, but I know a lot of very smart people that I can't fight the way out of a paper bag and their relationship or their finances. You know, they're smart in one area, not another.

1:45:59But the one that is absolutely completely accurate is hunger. The hunger to be more, to do more, to give more, to share more. somebody who has a hunger that doesn't die, not a hunger to make a certain amount of money or a hunger to achieve a swimsuit size, but a hunger that's unquenchable. Those are the people that you know their names because they have an impact. So it's like whether it's Richard Branson in his 70s, he has the same hunger today as when he was 16 years old in that crypt in your country coming up with Virgin, right? I mean, it's same level. Let's give it a go, right? He's got that piece.

1:46:32Anybody you see, look at the people you have on your show and think about how many of them still have that hunger. Kevin Hart, he's a friend of mine. I know he's been on your show. I mean, he's one of the hardest working guys, but he's hungry. He loves it. He just wants to do it all. To me, that's the gift. And stoking your hunger or awaking someone's hunger that doesn't have it, that's a real gift. And that's one of the gifts I think I've tried to refine within myself and help people with. My last question is, of all the things we've talked about today and everything else that's going on in your life and the world, what is the most important thing we should have talked about that we didn't talk about?

1:47:03We covered a lot of territory. I'm impressed by the diversity of what we got to cover. Thank you. We went deep. I don't know if there's anything off the top of my head right now. I do think that I hope people leave with the idea that if I'm stressed in my life, I got to stop managing. I got to start creating. And that sounds like just an overwhelming thing, but it's like creating life on your terms, like deciding what are the immutables. It's like if you want to take the island, you've got to burn your boats. If you have a way to go back, the mind will rationalize and you will go back. But if you really are committed to a greater quality of life, you've got to master the science of achievement and the art of fulfillment.

1:47:41And fulfillment is not like achievement. There's very cool rules for achievement, like what to do with your body. Multiple ones, but there's certain fundamentals that are immutable. What to do financially. Certain things that are immutable.

1:47:55Fulfillment, success without fulfillment is failure. And fulfillment is an art. It's not a science. It's different for you and me and everybody we meet. And so I'll tell you one real fast example. I know we've gone over in time. Steve Wynn's a good friend of mine, built most of Las Vegas. Brilliant guy. Absolutely brilliant. And one day Steve calls up. He goes, there's a painting that I have coveted for over a decade. And he goes, I just recently outbilled everybody at Sotheby's and it just got delivered and you got to see it. And I said, okay, I can't see it. I said, but I got to ask a question.

1:48:33how much did set you back? And he goes,$86.9 million. I go,$86.9 million? Okay. I got to see what an$87 million painting looks like. So I go to his house. He takes me in, shows me this wall. It's a red square. It's a Rothko, if you know what a Rothko is. It's a red square. And it's not totally red, a little red and orange, right? And I look at him and go, Steve, they missed some spots. And he looks at me and gives me a look and I start to tease him a little bit. I go, Steve, if you give me a hundred dollars with the red paint and you give me 10 minutes, I think I can match this. I'm just screwing him with a little bit.

1:49:12He knows I'm screwing him. He goes, you know, this is a Rothko. I said, I know. He goes, no, but you don't know. Like, you know, he committed suicide. He tells me the whole story. Right. And I go, well, that better be blood of his$87 million. Right. But the reason I tell you the story is it's not making fun of Steve. It's making fun of me. He can look at that and he can barely see, and he knows what every stroke means. It has meaning for him. He knows what it's about, what it means, what's the uniqueness of it. He knows the man's life. I see a red square. He has an experience. The richness of life is when you go deeper and figure out what makes you feel like it's a red square for someone else, but this is your thing.

1:49:50This is what fulfills you. I know what fulfills me. Family, love, as you can probably tell, and contribution in a meaningful way light me up like a Christmas tree and they've made me go for 66 years and it'll keep me going, right? But people got to find what that is for themselves because if you succeed and you're not fulfilled, what do you got? How many people have taken their life as super successful on the surface but they weren't fulfilled? Some of the people made everybody on earth laugh when they took their life. Some people, businesses that took their life. You don't want, I don't think most people are going to take their life but you don't want to live more decades and not really be here not experiencing fulfillment so my passion is to help people be fulfilled not just achieve

1:50:33amen i mean i've got so many other photos that i might as well show you the ones that this is the moment my wife and i met that is the moment you met literally the moment we met how did you get one that's my mom that's jim robbins this man adopted me this one oh that's down uh this one is actually down in Haiti. I went down there. That's where the first group of people went to save. All these kids, these were kids that had been trafficked. Yeah, my brother and sister. Wow, you do your homework. Very impressive. We have a closing tradition where the last guest leaves a question for the next, not knowing who they're leaving it for.

1:51:04And the question left for you is, if you could choose your life span, how long would it be? And at what point would you choose to die? Hmm. That's a great question. Well, I certainly would want to live as long as my family does. And now I've got to live a little longer because I got a four-year-old. I don't know if I'd want to live forever. I don't know. You know, there's talk about, you know, uploading your consciousness to a machine and so forth. I don't, I believe in spirit and soul. I don't know if that's going to be uplifted machine. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's just the process. But I want to leave as much legacy as possible.

1:51:47I want to live as long as I'm interested and useful. You know, those are the two things that really matter. And, you know, my minimum, I think, is 92 is my goal, as if I had control, right? Life will tell me. But 92 for the number that somehow I've had in my head and what some of the boosts we have with biochemistry and elements, stem cells, who knows? Maybe it goes past 100. But I think a century of living and giving would be an extraordinary experience for me. I don't know if I'd want to live for eternity, but I'm not at that point where that's really a choice. so I don't have to think about it.

1:52:19I will tell you, the only fear that I really felt in my life was dying too soon. I think part of my drive early on was just, I want to squeeze everything out of life while I'm here. I don't know where it's come from. I think, you know, a couple of things could have contributed to it, but I think death was a good counselor for me. It gave me drive. Today, it's not a fear for me other than I want to be here as long as I can for my family and for especially all my children, but especially my youngest. But yeah, that would be my answer. I'd say not forever, but as long as I'm useful and helpful and I can enjoy it all.

1:52:51You used the word legacy there. Yeah, well, legacy is what I leave when I'm gone. In other words, I don't have to be here to continue to have impact, right? It's like that's the best part of life. I looked at, you know, leadership is influence, right? What makes you a leader is your ability to influence thoughts, feelings, emotions, actions of another person. If you're a positive leader, for good. And I look at levels of influence. One is, can you influence someone to change their state? Then it's, can you influence them to change their state when you're not there? So you're no longer a manager, right?

1:53:16You've changed their values. Could you change your state and they're not there for a group of people, right? Could you change your state with a mass number of people and you're not there, right? That to me is the ultimate level of influence. And now with audios and videos and AI, especially with AI, I've got an AI that's amazing. We have 4.9 on Apple and people love it and their life's changed by it. And I'm working right now with another group to create a platform for interventions and therapy that's not just me with AI. because there aren't enough therapists, there aren't enough great therapists in the world.

1:53:47I want to have that. It's already in 50 languages, so the whole world. I want to leave a legacy that the world has people that can help them 24-7, 365. And I think AI is one of the tools. It's getting better and better to do that. And what happens when you die? Where do you go? I don't think anything in the universe, I know nothing in the universe ever destroys, it changes form. What does that look like? do I have conscious awareness as I do now? I don't know the answer to that question. All I want to do is make sure I live fully while I'm here and whatever's next, when it shows up, I'll take that journey.

1:54:21Thank you so much. For so many reasons. I think you've been a mentor to so many of us for so long in so many ways. I remember how profoundly impacted I was when I watched your piece on Netflix. Oh, not your guru, yeah. Yeah, that was really the front door for me into your world. I'd seen your work before. I'd read the books and stuff. but for me, that was really a paradigm-shifting moment. I think it was in that documentary where there was a young man who was suicidal. Yeah, it was that one, the Netflix. I'm not your girl. Yeah, there was one. That's how it started, actually. Matthias? Yes, Matthias.

1:54:53Matthias. That was, what, six years ago? No, that was 2014. 2014, okay, wow. 11 years ago, yeah. Gosh. There was a young woman there also. I don't know if you remember the young woman that was in that sex cult where they made the children have sex with the adults. That one was very emotional. I was down in Brazil, and I was doing a seminar for about 10 ,000 people and I'm walking through the aisle and this woman kept looking at me and then I didn't realize it. She goes, don't you recognize me? And it was her. She got herself out of the group. She wrote a book. She's now a therapist. She helps other people get out of it.

1:55:24So it's really fun to see years later. We actually did a follow-up at the seven-year mark or something like that afterwards to show what happened with these families. It's been really nice to see. Did you say his name was Matthias? Matthias? Matthias. Matthias. He just wanted to, he sent an email just to say that, for anyone that doesn't know, he was a guy in the audience who had suicide. ideation and was clearly struggling. It's been a decade roughly since then. You supported him, you helped him, and he's just sent an email to say that attending that event that day was a huge dream for him. And the experiences that he got from that have completely changed the trajectory of his life.

1:56:05And those memories continue to impact him as he continues to support his growth, his habits, his decisions, and his outcomes. And he wanted to send his regards to you for that. That was really kind of him to reach out. That's nice. I love seeing people a year later, 10 years later, 20 years later. That's the great gift of my life. I walk down the street anywhere on earth, the desert has happened to me in China. People come up and say, you changed my life. And I always remind them, I didn't change the life you did, but glad I got to help. What happened? And then they tell me stories. And outside my family, there's nothing that gives me more joy than to hear those stories.

1:56:35Well, you've done that for more people than I could possibly receive emails from. Hundreds of billions, really, if we're counting the amount of people, the amount of meals you fed through the work you've done through your company. You even you've invested tremendously also in in saving the planet through your green energy investments, which we didn't get to talk about today. But I'm going to link that below for people to read about. One thing I would mention, if I may, is Paramount approached me and we now have a 24 hour day channel. And it's it's a fast channel. So it's free, advertised, supported television.

1:57:03It's a TV I grew up with instead of cable. So if you go to, whether it's Pluto or if you go to Roku or if you go to Amazon Prime and you look for live TV, there's the Tony Robbins network. And 24 hours a day, there's content there that's free that anybody can watch and educate themselves and are full of interventions like these that you talked about. So I hope some people will check it out because it's another way I'm trying to give people a gift to support their lives. I'm going to link that below. And also I'm going to put a link below to your free three-day virtual event called Time to Rise, which I think we mentioned.

1:57:34Oh, yeah. Please come to that. You don't say come. You can do it from anywhere in the world, your office, your home. And it's coming up on the 29th through the 31st of January. And it's perfect timing at the start of the new year. Yeah, exactly. People thinking about making a change in their life. I'm going to link that below as well. If anybody wants to attend, it's free, three days. And I think it's a great continuation of the conversation we've had today because we've talked so much about change, a changing world, and how to change thyself. And that's what you've done for me. It's what you've done for so many people.

1:57:58And it's an absolute honor. It's actually, for me, I have certain moments in the job that I do where I think, fucking hell, how lucky and grateful am I to get to do this. And this is one of those such moments that is a real dream for me because you're such a huge inspiration to me. So thank you so much, Tony, for your graciousness. I just want you to know I feel the same way. I feel like you're the next wave of contribution to this world. And you're doing an amazing job already. But I got a ticket to your parade. I'm going to watch how you evolve over the next couple of decades. And I know your contributions will only grow because I feel the sincerity in your heart not only to grow but to give.

1:58:30and I hope that you continue to move towards that love and contribution you're talking about because I think that's your true essence. I think that's really what drives you anyway. I think so too. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. We're done.

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