World No. 1 Biohacking Expert: "I Tested 100,000 People's DNA. This Diet Will Kill You!". Fix This Hormone And You'll Fix Your Anxiety! - Gary Brecka

24:13We haven't looked to see, was there a simple nutrient deficiency keeping this person from breaking down homocysteine, which caused the vascular system to constrict. Because we know that there's a correlation between this amino acid homocysteine and its elevated nature and increased risk of cardiovascular disease. So before we actually went the routes of chemicals and synthetics and pharmaceuticals, why wouldn't we just test to see if we have an issue dismantling this amino acid, breaking this amino acid down into something called methyenine. And why don't we supplement for that deficiency and see if by putting that raw material back into the body and bringing homocysteine metabolism into normal, we can normalize this person.

24:56So back to your question to that, the people in the street, you would see that 50 % of them are clinically deficient in vitamin D3, colic acid for all, the sunshine vitamin, the darker their complexion, the higher the risk that they would be clinically deficient in vitamin D3. And if you put that vitamin D3 at the center of a hub of a wheel and looked at all of the different spokes, it's one of the only vitamins that human beings make on our own. I have argued and people have counter argued, but I take the position that it's arguably one of the most, if not the most important nutrient in the human body.

25:29You need a lot of essential nutrients, but if you really start isolating them, you know, vitamin D3 is the only vitamin that human beings make on our own. Every cell in the body has a receptor site for vitamin D3. When we're deficient in this vitamin, this nutrient acts like a hormone sometimes, it acts like a vitamin, other times, we make it from sunlight and cholesterol. When it's deficient, we have a compromised immune system. We know that it leads to osteophenia, osteoporosis. There are all kinds of consequences that you wouldn't think stem from a simple nutrient deficiency, but they do. One that we get from going outside in the sun.

26:02We get it from going outside in the sun. We make it from sunlight and cholesterol. And you know, if you look at COVID statistics, it was the second leading cause of morbidity in COVID. And so if so first you would see that there are D3 deficient. The majority of them are also B12 deficient. If you look at the vitamin B12, you'd see it's less than 500. The higher end of B12 is around 1200 and 50. And then you would see 25 to 40 % of that population would be hormone deficient, meaning that their hormones would be out of the optimal range, but not because they have an endocrine system issue per se, generally because they have, especially in younger ages, nutrient deficiencies, things like elevated SHBG, sex hormone binding, globulent deficiencies in DHA, raw materials that the body needs to manufacture hormones.

26:55So a good hormone panel will tell you not only what your hormone levels are, but what some of the nutrients are that are in your bodies using to make those hormones. And again, by putting some of these raw materials very often DHA, not all the time, but very often putting DHA and vitamin D3 alone back into men with deficient levels of testosterone, or deficient levels of free testosterone, or looking at a protein that interrupts the conversion of testosterone into free testosterone called SHBG. By actually just addressing these, you see that the hormone levels rise back to the normal range. They don't need to take hormones from outside the body and shut their production down.

27:32They need to put nutrients and raw materials back into the body so the body can produce hormones on their own. And then if you looked at their glycemic control, you would see shockingly high percentage of people that are prediabetic. It is an absolute pandemic right now because the amount of processed foods we think that the prediabetes is only because people that are eating the ton of sugar. So they must be drinking soda and eating chocolate cake and benengeries every night, but that's actually not true when we overload the body with high glycemic carbohydrates. Even if they ate a lot of white flour, white rice, white bread, white pasta, white potatoes, and fruit, I'm not saying any of those things are going to kill you.

28:17But when we eat diets high and refine carbohydrates, even things that we don't consider to be sweets, it overpowers our pancreas and our blood sugar gets out of control. But wouldn't you want to know that? Wouldn't you want to know that do I have some of these nutrient deficiencies or hormone imbalances or poor blood sugar control that could be nibbling away at my performance? Am I maybe one raw material, one methylated multivitamin away or an amino acid away from being in a state of being optimal? Maybe even not having to deal with little things like intermittent feelings of anxiousness and anxiety or poor focus and concentration or even mild states of mood numbness.

28:58Remember that nutrients, amino acids, for example, in our gut become neurotransmitters. Nouratransmitters form the basis of all mood. They drive our emotion. They govern our behavior. And so is it possible that an amino acid like tryptophan or phenolalanine or tyrosine which becomes serotonin and dopamine that deficiencies in these amino acids could lead to deficiencies and hormones which could actually lead to deficiencies in neurotransmitters that would be labeled a mental illness? Yes. So again, I feel like I'm eating your face a little bit, but what I really mean to say is that if we would get basic information, basic data on the body, hormone balance, glycemic control, nutrient deficiencies, if we would actually look at what our body can convert into the usable form and what it can't and supplement for that deficiency, you would see your body begin to thrive in ways you never thought possible.

29:58You work with a lot of high profile individuals as well. I do. What are some of the high profile names that you have permission to share? Well, clearly anyone that's shared their journey with me on the podcast. There's a great hit piece on me and the Daily Mail. I've listed a lot of them, but Dana White, Steve Harvey, Steven A. Smith, Steve Ok, Kendall Jenner and I were on one of her Hulu specials together running some IVs. There are a few others that will be public here very shortly that have gone on podcasts with me and I don't necessarily want to be known as a celebrity biologist or working with, just working with professional athletes and A -listers.

30:45My message is for the non -woag biohacker. I don't feel like my job is to sit here and press you with how smart I am. I feel like my job is to put information out to the masses that is educational enough to inspire them to make a change. I think all too often we're all competing for eyeballs in this space and we're trying to become the biggest influencer and we really forget about the mission of speaking to the masses and we just start speaking to each other. We want to get on podcasts and stage talks and interviews and impress people with how much we know about the carboxylic acid cycle or electron transport chain or something going on inside the mitochondria and those minute nuances are not what's going to impact humanity.

31:35A lot has changed since we last sat down in your life. It has. Yeah, it really has. I feel like I live somebody else's life. I really do. What's changed? When I first reached out to you, it was because I saw a clip on YouTube which had 20 ,000 views and that clip on YouTube I found really interesting. I personally sent you a DM and said, Gary, do you want to come on my show? To be honest, never personally send a DM. Yeah, because the way our system works here is they understand what I'm interested in and curious about right now. They'll go out into the market and try and find people for me. They'll bring those people to me as a pitch.

32:12They'll pitch the individuals to me and then I have to say whether I'm curious enough to sit down and have the conversation right now. I met it twice. In this case, it was I've seen something you'd done online. I don't know, more than a year ago now it feels like and it was really compelling to me. So I wanted to sit down with you. Since then, I've observed you've kind of had this sort of meteoric rise on loads of different podcasts and social media and your business is exploded. There is something different about you. And the thing that's different about you that strikes me is you strike me as a man that has been through some shit.

32:49Oh, yeah, frankly. Yeah. Yeah. Because the Gary that I met the first time versus this Gary is slightly different and it's the type of thing when someone's been through some shit. And with all good things come the opposite. Yeah. It's unavoidable. Yeah. I mean, you go under a level of scrutiny. You start off, you're like so excited. You're like, I'm going to get the message out and God's blessed me with the ability to take ultra -comicated information, distill it down and get it to the masses. And then you realize that there are people that are watching your videos, like a three -hour podcast, and they're looking for the one -gotten moment.

33:25He said, sodium chloride, not sodium hydroxide, scam artist, charlatan. He pretends to be a doctor. He's not a doctor. I've never pretended to be a doctor. You will not find a video, a stage talk, a podcast, anything in the media where I've ever represented. And I'm a doctor. I go out on my way to say that I'm not licensed to practice medicine. So, yeah, I have become a little more gun shy and a little more guarded with what I say. It's an effort to be more precise with what I'm saying. But I'm not going to stop getting the message out to the masses because I know that this is God's calling for me.

34:00I know that because I spent so many years of my life not in service to humanity. And I think a lot of people find their purpose in their pleasure and I found my purpose from my pain.

34:20You know, when I was doing life expectancies and mortality predictions, we were sort of brainwashed to believe that this was just data. You weren't responsible for it. You didn't have anything to do with this person. I was on a mortality team and we were charged with predicting the life expectancy of people for large life insurance and investment companies. So, when you apply for a large life insurance policy, you know, everybody's on an actuarial curve. So, you're on one, I'm on one. Everybody listening to this podcast is on an actuarial curve. What happens is when a life insurance company is getting ready to put $10 million or $20 million or $50 million worth of risk on your life.

35:10Only one thing matters. How many more months do you have left on earth? And the science of predicting that mortality is a very accurate science. I get a lot of flack about it. But if you want to know how accurate life insurance companies are at predicting death, just look at what happened during the 2008 -2009 financial services crisis. We had 364 banks fail. Not a single life insurance company fail. A valid death claim in the United States has never failed to have been paid. There are some of the most solvent institutions in the world. There's not another financial services enterprise anywhere on the planet that would take that level of risk on one variable.

35:49I mean, you have an investment fund. You wouldn't put that level of risk on a single variable. Right. How many more months does this person have left on earth? And they have data that no other medical enterprise has. They have data that know their collegiate university has. Not even the government has. They know the day -to -date, the time, the location, and the cause of death. For millions and millions of lives. So they know what leads to early mortality. And so how do they get your health by a month? Is that even that bad with? Well, first of all, they do a blood test on you. So if you've ever had a large life, I'm not talking about term life insurance, where you get $100 ,000 or $200 ,000, or even $1 million term life insurance policy.

36:27I'm talking about permanent universal life or whole life insurance. Also in newities. When there's something in the states called a single premium immediate annuity where you give the insurance company, for example, a check for a million dollars, they guarantee you an income stream for life. Well, how do you think they're determining that income stream? They're predicting how many more months you have left on earth. And they use morbidity factors and co -morbidity factors. And yes, they factor into your recreational profile, your demographic profile. It's not as simple as a blood test or a gene test.

37:03But essentially what you do is you start on a curve in a pool of 1 ,000 lives that are similar to yours. And your life expectancy is the dead center of that curve. So if your life expectancy is 200 months, that means in 200 months, you have the exact same chance of being dead as you do of being alive. Now what determines your increased probability of death or your mortality factors? Are you obese, diabetic, and nemic? You have cognitive decline or you compliant with your medication. You know, there are all of these different debits. And then there are certain debits that we call co -morbidities.

37:39So if you're hypertensive, that was a debit. If you were if you were diabetic, that was a debit. If you were obese, that was a debit. But if you were hypertensive, diabetic, and obese, it wasn't 1 plus 1 plus 1. It was 1 plus 1 plus 1 equals 10. Right. These were massive co -morbidity factors. My job was to read the medical record and do the medical record extraction. And we had incredible data on these people. You saw their trust and you saw their wills, their trust, their divorce decrees. You knew that they were treating their children differently in their in their estate. Bank accounts, brokerage accounts, tax returns, and their medical records.

38:21And you have a recent blood work on them. But when you read a medical record on somebody, there's more than just their height, weight, and blood pressure and the medications that they're on. You really start to get a profile for a lot for the for the person. And a lot of times I felt like I was really getting to know these people oddly because I had so much personal information on them. And a lot of these people came alive to me. I know that sounds very strange. But when you're reading about their repeated visits to the doctor and they're constantly talking about their grandchildren and then all of a sudden you see in the medical record where the husband passed away and then you see the antidepressants creeping in and you see they're waking, their body mass index change.

39:12And you actually, as you're going through years of their medical record, you really get a real profile for them. And I started to realize that there were human beings on the other side of these spreadsheets. And there were cases where I knew that if I could have picked up the phone and just contacted that patient, I could have completely changed the trajectory of their life. And I was prohibited from doing so by law. And even at one point in my career I was threatened with prosecution for threatening to call a patient and warn them about a life -threatening potential, life -threatening drug interaction that I'd spotted in the medical record between two physicians that had written contraindicated scripts and something called the MIB, the medical information bureau hadn't picked it up.

40:04And the data that I had said that this was going to lead to a thrombolytic event, like a blood clot, a stroke, you know, heart attack and embolism. And I remember calling the human resources director and just, you know, basically saying that I'm going to contact this patient and being threatened with prosecution. And I think about it a lot. And I just think about all the times I could have picked up the phone and just made a real material change in somebody's life. And I didn't have the opportunity to do it. And big part of my career felt like I was, you know, sitting behind a thick glass wall, just watching blind people walk into traffic.

40:47And so I wasn't in service to humanity. All I wanted to do was be wealthy. I was very unauthentic. And then I just woke up one day and said, what the hell am I doing? I mean, I so much information. I'm a human biologist. And I have been studying this database for 20 years. I could help people live healthier, happier, longer lives. And I quit my career and I went home and told my fiance at the time, now my wife, that I wanted to start a wellness firm. And that was the degenesis of my firm's dream line and part of the trajectory that I'm on. And so it still sits with you. Every day. Really? Oh, dude, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's with me in a good way because you know, whereas before, it's, it's really hard to imagine, you know, somebody coming into your office and going, hey, you know, Gary, oh my god, remember the, you know, the Mrs.

41:47Smith life expectancy, we did 13 years ago, you know, we, you do this life expectancy, it was 188 months, you predict 188 months, she died 984 months. Oh my god, great job. It's amazing. That claim just paid. And I'm like, is it really amazing? You know, um, when you start to realize that was somebody's, you know, it was like somebody's sister or somebody's daughter or somebody's mother, you start to realize that I, I allow myself to be brainwashing, just think that it was data and, and forget that there was human beings on the other side of the, the spreadsheet. And so now, I'm sorry, I'm in emotional, but, but, um, you know, now I wake up every day and I go up in my eyes and I go, fuck yeah, you know, I got a chance to, to make a difference.

42:35And, and I talk about the research and, and the fact patterns that we saw in predicting death and I want to counter those so that we can extend life. And so we can help people live longer, healthier, happier lives. So the counter arguments that you've experienced, you know, you used the way counter argument and hit, hit piece, what do those sort of counter arguments tend to center on as it relates to your work? Obviously, you talked about the doc to thing. I definitely made some mistakes, you know, I, I made a mistake earlier in my career of quoting articles and not, and not research, which I regret.

43:14And I, and I've made some of those mistakes. I think very often what I try to do is simplify the message. I talked, for example, about a 2018 study, we should put the link to this, which was in the journal of, um, headaches and face pain. There's a journal of headaches and face pain. I want to say it was 2018. There were 8 ,819 participants in this meta analysis. So a very large, um, analysis. And they found a direct inverse relationship between sodium intake and migraine headaches. And meaning that has sodium levels went up, migraine headaches went down. Now by no means am I telling everybody that has a migraine headache that you need to take a little bit of salt and you're going to be fine.

43:57What I'm saying is on your, on your comprehensive metabolic panel, you can see your sodium level. When your sodium level gets to a critically low level, which pleases not quite a few people have, people that regularly saw on a people that exercise and don't re -mineralize with electrolytes, people that drink, um, filter bottled water in an effort to filter out fluoride and microplastics, but don't re -mineralize their water, get nutrient -efficient sodium. And, you know, remembering that the brain actually doesn't have any pain receptors, but the covering of the brain does, you know, something called the dura.

44:28And the dura hates two things. It hates being stretched, it hates being contracted. And what determines whether or not it's stretching or contracting is something called the osmotic gradient, the movement of water across the membrane. And yes, it can be as simple as supplementing with sodium. My preference would be Baja Gold, Z Salt, or Celtic Salt, so that you get all of the other trace minerals as well, to permanently put migraine headaches into remission. And then, you know, I'll come on with the physician saying there's no evidence of that, whether clinical trials and that. And the other, the other tool that I have in my chest is for 20 years, I worked with one of the largest databases in the world.

45:07And we're at the point now where we see 20 ,000 new gene tests a month. I don't know many clinics that are that busy, so we have the luminous amounts of data. We see what happens when you have a high homocysteine. And you put them on, you put a patient on a amino acid called trimethoglycine. And the homocysteine comes down and then they go to their doctor and their blood pressure is normalized. Not once, not twice, not anecdotally thousands and thousands of times. You see what happens to people when you bring their hemoglobin A1C and their insulin back down into the optimal level and their triglycerides return to normal and their risk for cardiovascular disease declines.

45:42You see what happens to see reactive proteins when people take simple things like silica clays and activated charcoals. And so I want to keep getting the message out that very often disease is not happening to us. It's happening within us. And very often it's happening because of deficiencies in the human body, not pathology in the human body. And in the United States, we're by far the largest spender on healthcare. We spend $4 .5 trillion a year on healthcare in the US. We have the highest infant mortality rate. We have the highest maternal mortality. Even though we lead the world in flu vaccinations and breast cancer screening, colorectal screening, we also lead the world in cancer.

46:30We're ranked 52nd in life expectancy. We're ranked 39th in healthcare delivery. We're one of the most obese nations on the planet, twice the rate of obesity of any other civilized nation. And yet modern medicine being medical error being the third leading cause of death is where we're going to get information on how we extend our life. And I watched in medical records, I've probably read thousands of times more medical records than most physicians because I read medical records all day, every day, six days a week for almost 20 years. And I would see what would happen when simple deficiencies would be mistaken as a pathological condition.

47:10And I've talked about these a lot. Like clinical deficiencies in vitamin D3 for prolonged periods of time eventually present as rheumatoid arthritis like symptoms. People get joint aches and pains and stiffened sore ankles and they have a hard time making a fist. And when you're speaking to the wrong physician very often a doctor will diagnose you based on your medical history. Not before they do sed rates and rheumatoid arthritis, you know, actual blood checks will say, you know what Stephen, you've got rheumatoid arthritis and they put you on on things like corticosteroids. And in the mortality space we had data.

47:48So we had data on all of these pharmaceuticals. So we knew the trajectory of hormones and cell walls and cell membranes and production of vitamin D3 when somebody took a statin and reduced cholesterol. And we looked at, you know, the studies will look at cholesterol in a complete vacuum. So LDL cholesterol high. So that's bad. Let's bring LDL cholesterol down with a statin. So we decreased the risk of cardiovascular disease. But then you have a concomitant outcome where you're reducing the ability for the body to make hormones and cell walls and cell membranes. And so you buy yourself a consequence downstream.

48:23When really if we go back to just studying the physiology of the human body, when we, you know, in the mortality space, I don't think I saw a single centenarian once. And we processed hundreds of these death claims. I don't think I saw a single centenarian that at the time of death did not have clinically elevated levels of LDL cholesterol. So begs the question is simply having high LDL cholesterol on marker for longevity, or is it a marker for cardiovascular disease that needs to be intervened with a chemical or a synthetic? And these corticosteroids that people are put on, you know, very often they, they're, they're, they're any inflammatory in the beginning, but then they eat the joint like a termite.

49:04And, and so these were resulting in voluminous amounts of joint replacements. So accurately that we would, we were able to predict that the course of some of these medications would result in the joint replacement in roughly six years. And so we would artificially advance people's age six years and we would actually schedule the joint replacement for them. And then we would reduce what's called their ambulatory profile, how well they amulated, how well they moved. And as we reduce their mobility, we could bring in all of these diseases that exacerbated with reduced mobility. And in my mind, I'm just watching all this happen.

49:40I wanted to call this these people and say, I'm not qualified to do that, because I'm not licensed practice medicine. But I, I wanted to call them and just say, Mr. Jones, not taking the corticosteroid starts up and being vitamin D3, get your people 12 level to hear. Let's fix your hormones because this is killing your riboids whole count. And this is what's leading you to be so exhausted. And no one was looking at these basic nutrient deficiencies that we would see run in blood work that would cause all of these diseases to exacerbate. And people were succumbing much earlier to death or to the loss of their health span.

50:18How many records do you think you saw in your time? Well, you saw the full picture. I would be working on two or three of these four of these cases at a time, somewhere shorter cases, somewhere longer cases, thousands. I mean thousands. And in the tail end in my career, I started to manipulate the record artificially just to see what would happen to the life expectancy. I would never submit that as a report. But I would say, what if I fix the anemia? What if I actually just corrected the D3 deficiency? What if, you know, I was able to take out the prediabetic condition or reduce their hemoglobin A1C and you would see the life expectancy jump.

50:56And so these are modifiable risk factors. And I think how many times, you know, I would be reading a medical record and I go, what, I know what this is going to happen? This is just going to get worse because this patient has anemia. Like the classic treatment for some anemia is his folic acid B12 and iron. And they would give him folic acid B12 and iron and wouldn't correct. And they give him folic acid B12 and iron. They wouldn't correct. Folic acid B12 and iron wouldn't correct. And they wouldn't realize that that person can't process folic acid if they gave him methyl folate, methyl cobalt iron and iron visclycinate, the anemia would correct.

51:31But these are all sort of symptoms of further upstream issues, right? Like something that a decision that someone is made in their life typically, typically that has caused them to develop these conditions which far down the stream like the tree you talked about with the bad leaf doctors then pointed the leaf and go and you to fix the leaf. But it's down in the root somewhere. So what are the, what are the societal and individual level things that we can be doing to prevent us even getting these chronic diseases? Like the simple, simple things. I'll tell you the simplest thing that we can do. First, we should think about having an invisible fence around us, right?

52:11Like a little force field and we should filter things before they make it to the temple. Because either we can filter things for the temple or we can let the temple be the filter. So you can drink tap water. And if you drink tap water, your body will filter out the fluoride, the chlorine, the microplastics, the pharmaceuticals, or you can filter your water before you drink it, right? And take one toxic load off your body. So what I would say is probably five things that I would commit to doing on a regular basis. Number one is upon waking, I would drink a mineralized water. I would take 10 ounces of water and I would add either a Celtic sea salt or a Baja Gold salt to my water.

52:53The reason for that is that most of us are deficient in some or several of the trace minerals in our body. The boring ones, boron, manganese, molybdom, selenium, and stirred up and just whack it back. And the second thing I would do is you're not talking about table salt. No, no, not sodium chloride. No, I'm talking about Baja Gold Sea Salt. That's probably the best salt that you can put in the human body because it has all 91 trace minerals. It's tested down to 250 parts per billion from microplastics and glyphosate, only about 75 % of that sodium crystal is actually sodium. The rest of them is all of these trace minerals.

53:29You can get very close to that with Celtic salt, right? And if you can't get Celtic salt, then you could move to a pink Himalayan sea salt. The problem with pink Himalayan sea salt recently is that a lot of it has heavy metals because it's coming out of China. So I would say that best salt is Baja Gold. A great salt is Celtic salt. And a decent salt is pink Himalayan sea salt. Forget table salt. I would just get that permanently out of your life. Okay, it's number one. I have my bars mineralized mineralized. And then number two, I would take a DHA EPA fish oil supplement or a fatty acid supplement with DHA or EPA oil.

54:10I'm an MCT oil. I would take a fatty acid oil in the morning. And omega supplement. And omega. And omega three. And omega three. Okay, supplement. And then I would develop a morning routine that included the basics from mother nature, sunlight, grounding, breathwork, culture. Okay, so I wanted to zoom in here on grounding. I'm a huge fan. I'm grounding. My girlfriend grounds, and again, listen, my girlfriend's much smarter than I am at transpise because everything she says, I think I said this to you last time, everything she says to me. Eventually, I see her with like a neuroscientist a year later and turns out she was absolutely right.

54:44I thought she was a little bit cuckoo for thinking that getting outside in the morning and putting her feet on the ground were at all beneficial. But I've been told time and time again, it is. What is grounding and why does it help? So we get three things from mother nature, right? We get magnetism from the earth, we get oxygen from the air, we get light from the sun. The further we get away from those things, the sicker we become. Really? Yes. Absolutely. The magnetism piece, it sounds like a spiritual cuckoo style. Yeah, I mean, probably 10 ,000 years ago, they probably thought the same thing about gravity, you know, but the earth has a low -gouse current, right?

55:20I mean, we were meant to spend 85 % of our time outside. We spend 97 % of our time indoors now. The truth is, most of us are not getting enough sun. We're not getting too much sun. We're not getting enough sun. And, you know, because of the way we eat and seed oils and everything that are that are oxidizing in our skin, our cancer rates are exploding, but not because of our sun exposures, because of our diet. We can talk about that later. But when you touch the surface of the earth, when bare feet touch a pair of soil, grass, sand, we discharge into the earth. And by that, I mean, you actually change the polarity in the body.

55:53And this is measurable. In fact, if you want to do a little experiment, find somebody that has a microscope, the basic microscope, and get a slide, and just take a prick your finger and take a drop of your blood and put it on that slide, spear it around, and look at it under the microscope. I think I have a video that's on my Instagram. And what you'll see when you look at your blood in real time is you'll see most of your red blood cells are stuck together and clumped up, not clotted, but they're attracted to each other. Because when cells have the same charge, they repel. When they repel, it increases the amount of surface area that that cell has to contact the outside environment.

56:27So now it can exchange waste. It can eliminate waste to toxify repair, can regenerate. So imagine that you have bloodstream full of red blood cells and they start to get opposite charges. So they attract. And when they attract, they touch. And everywhere that they touch, that cell loses surface area to exchange with the outside environment. When you touch the surface of the earth for a few minutes, you will repolarize those. prick your finger 10 minutes after you come inside, put it back on that same slide. Look at your blood. It's going to look like eggs slithering around in a bowl of oil. They will bump into each other and they'll be sliding around, but they will not be clumped together and stuck.

57:07So what's going on then? May I speak what coming through my feet? The charge coming through my feet? Yeah. So you're actually discharging into the earth. You know, you're exchanging ions to low -gouse currents. So like a magnet, you're exchanging ions with the earth and you're discharging. You're grounding. What if I live on the ground floor? Do I still have to go outside? Yes. You got to touch bare dirt, soil, grass, sand. Why can't I, if I live on the ground floor, why doesn't the floor in the lower floor vast? Because that insulates you from the earth's magnetic field. It's usually steel, concrete, wood, there's other barriers, tile, asphalt.

57:41There are things that actually prevent you from actually contacting the surface of the earth. You know, there are grounding mattresses that you plug into the ground wire. And then that ground wire, if you look at how, you know, grounding a circuit occurs, at some point is running directly into the ground. There will be a pole in the ground that is connected, usually by copper, to that wire and connected to your outlet to ground that outlet. Can I just get some kind of mat? That does, has the same charge. Yes. You could get a PMF mat. But again, you know, one of the things I get a lot of flack of is, is saying that you have to buy all this expensive equipment.

58:16So there's two ways to do it. You can buy a pulse electro magnetic field mat, PMF mat. I have one. They cost about five grand. So if you've got five grand lying around, it's one of the best investments you can make. You put it in your bed, you go to sleep on it, you run it, you run a low -gouse current at night, it will help get you into a deep sleep. You'll wake up alkaline every morning. It will push the electro small right out of your your body, because PMF gets rid of electro small 5G, Wi -Fi. When you say you'll wake up alkaline every morning. So when you change the pH of the blood, it's a pretty narrow range.

58:49It's about it's about five tens of points, about half a point. And it's a complete fallacy that you can change the pH of the blood by drinking alkaline water. Alkaline water will actually not actually change the pH of your blood. If you want to change the pH of your blood amongst other things, you apply a low -gouse current. pH stands for potential hydrogens, a charge. And so by running a low -gouse current through the body or touching the surface of the earth, you actually can move the pH of the blood slightly. And that does. An alkaline state is a disease -free state. The more acidic we get, the sicker we become.

59:23And so if we want to move the pH of the blood slightly, if we want to wake up alkaline, if we want to run a low -gouse current through our body, we can either touch the surface of the earth or we're by a PMF mat. So they've done test where someone lays on a PMF mat for a cent of time. They then do a blood test and they find that their blood is more alkaline. Yes. Yes. And that separation of blood cells, you can see instantly getting off of a PMF mat. Again, I've got videos of me doing this to my production manager in my house, breaking his finger, putting it on a slide, putting on a PMF and actually looking at it afterwards.

1:00:01The second thing I would do is I would learn to do breathwork. I use something called a hypermax, which is based on Dr. Van Arden and Dr. Otto Warberg's Nobel Prize winning work. And that is the it's called multi -step oxygen therapy where you actually take an oxygen concentrator, you fill up a bag full of 900 liters of 95 % or two and you actually just breathe that 95 % or two for 10 to 12 minutes while you're active on a treadmill. But if you don't want to have an e -watt exercise with oxygen therapy machine, you can learn to do breathwork, engage the auxiliary muscles of respiration, get oxygen down into the lobes of your lungs, it's in out of the apex of your lungs.

1:00:38One of the one of the articles that I quoted that turned out not to be a study and I still can't find the reference for it was that after age 35, 90 % of people will never sprint again. And again, I haven't been able to find if that came from a clinical study or if it was an article. But whether or not that's true, the vast majority of people stop engaging their auxiliary muscles of respiration, you know, really exercising our diaphragm using the intercostal muscles between our ribs, pushing air down into lobes of our body. And as our posture collapses and our CO2 rises, you know, if you think about the expired air in your body from the tip of your nose, then tip your mouth all the way down your esophagus out your bronchials into the farthest reaches of your lungs, that's all expired air.

1:01:26Until you get the oxygen all the way down and out to the edges of the lung, you're not getting oxygen into the bloodstream. So as we age in our posture, collapse or respiratory rate gets more and more shallow. We're essentially hyperventilating carbon dioxide, right? And which is accelerating aging. I mean, aging is the presence of oxygen is the absence of disease. And so by just learning how to do breath work. So one, I would ground, two, I would I would learn to do breath work. I do a whim Hofstyle of breath work. I do three rounds of 30 breaths with an extended breath hold every single morning.

1:01:59It is the one thing that I never, ever, ever, ever miss. Why? Ever. Because I make little promises to myself and I try to keep them. And I find that I lose confidence in myself when I consistently break really small promises to myself. And I think a lot of people do this. And our body's crave consistency. And so you lose confidence in yourself. You say, you know, I'm going to go to bed at, you know, 10 30 tonight and you go to bed at 1 AM. And then you say, I'm going to work out and first thing in the morning and you actually don't work out or you get up in the morning, you say, I listen to that podcast.

1:02:43I'm going to do what Gary said. I'm going to ground and get some sunlight and I'm going to do some breath work. And then you actually don't do it. So the little internal promises that you make to yourself. And I feel like a lot of people break these little promises to themselves. If they're not making them to their spouse or to their kids or to their partners or, you know, they're not the big promises that everybody knows about. And I think it nipples away at our self -confidence and our own ability to trust ourselves. And so I am a morning routine. I'm very consistent with it. But the one thing that is portable for me is the ability to get outside and ground and do breath work.

1:03:19And I never, ever, ever miss. I can't even tell you how many years I've gone without missing a single morning of breath work. The other thing that it does for me because, you know, human beings crave consistency. So if within 30 minutes of waking every day, no matter what time zone you're in, you're doing three rounds of 30 breaths, your body begins to zero in on that and it begins to understand that that's the morning. This is go time. And so simple to do, you know, when I'm here, I wake up and might be at a different time because I'm usually on the East Coast. So I wake up earlier here, but I go, I open the door.

1:03:53I go out on the balcony, I sit on the chair, it's nice and cool outside. I face the sun and I do three rounds of 30 breaths every single day. My partner brought me one of those big red light panels for Christmas. It was my Christmas present. And funnily enough, guess what my Christmas present to her was as well. You get a bed or do you get the panels? The panels. It was like, Juvexel or what would you do? What'd you get? Okay. I'm not doing the round. But at the she brought me one, it's like a small one. And then I was like, babe, open your present. And then I opened her, and hers was like a big one.

1:04:27She's like literally after sizing me. So it's quite sweet swapped. But we now both use it, it's a bit of a routine in the morning. We go and sit down by it. And I'm not really sure what's it's doing. I've just told her what it's doing. Positive things. I've done a little bit of my research on it. And how to use it to make sure I'm not like cutting myself somehow. But what is it doing? And why should everyone consider getting one? So it's referred to in the literature, it's photobio modulation, photobio modulation. So if you want to look up any of the clinical studies, put photobio modulation and then put end dementia and Alzheimer's and skin and inflammation and the studies will come up.

1:05:07But basically different nanometers of light have different effects in the body. And so they are well researched and publicized to reduce inflammation, increase microvascular circulation. So the smallest of the capillaries in our body are affected by light. They have a very specific effect in the mitochondria, the powerhouse of the cell. So if you actually went through the wall of a cell and into the cytoplasm, it found the mitochondria. And you went into the mitochondria, you'd see that there's a motor in there that's spinning around. It's called the Krebs cycle. And this motor when it spits out energy called ATP, you know, essentially it has two choices every time it makes a revolution, right?

1:05:51It can either create two units of energy or it creates 36 units of energy. It's either 16 times more efficient or 16 times less efficient. And what determines that is whether or not oxygen enters that cycle. So one of the things that red light does is it goes through the wall of the mitochondria and it kicks out a gas called mitochondrial nitric oxide and forces oxygen to dock. So when you get into a red light therapy bed or use red light therapy panels, one of the things that's happening is you're essentially forcing oxygen into the mitochondria. You're forcing the oxygen to use mitochondria and release a gas called mitochondrial nitric oxide.

1:06:28This is also measurable by the way. You can get saliva nitric oxide strips. You could put it in your mouth and before you got a red light therapy bed. You could look at the saliva, the amount of nitric oxide in your saliva and you'd see it's like a pale kind of yellowish pink. Then you get one of those red light therapy beds for 20 minutes. And about 10 minutes after you get out, test it again. You'll see that your nitric oxide levels are through the roof. That's a positive sign that the mitochondria has thrown this gas out and brought oxygen in. And it's to imagine what happens in a cell when you give it 16 times the amount of energy.

1:07:00So imagine upstage and trillions of cells to allow them to eliminate waste repaired to toxify regenerate just by using light. It also has a very positive effect on collagen last in fibrin. It's known to improve angiogenesis, the new blood vessel formation. I was on the Joe Rogan's podcast a few months ago and he ended up buying one of these red light beds from me. I'm installed in his house and he told me about four or five weeks ago that he's no longer wearing wear readers anymore. His eyesight has improved that much. And he said he's starting to really notice the changes in his skin. So photo biomodulations very real and it absolutely works.

1:07:43But without people having to think that they have to spend that kind of money on a red light therapy bed, you can also just expose your skin to sunlight, especially during first light, the first 45 minutes of the day. When there's no UVA, there's no UVB, there's high amounts of healthy blue light. You can still generate vitamin D3. Let me just run that back so I'm clear. On the point about Rogan's eyesight, I did some, I was looking through some research about the impact of red light on eyesight and it said that it's good for eyesight. And so it's incredibly good for eyesight. Because I was wondering whether I should be looking at this thing while it's on.

1:08:15Yes. And then I went online Google did had a rummage around that it said you can look at it, you can stare at it. You can. Yeah. You can. Because remember, there's no UVA, there's no UVB. And some of the marginal information that comes out about red light being damaging to you, you have to remember that red light is a spectrum, infrared, for example, is a spectrum. Most red light therapy beds run from 600 nanometers to about a thousand nanometers wavelength of light. As you get above that, you're in the infrared spectrum, but you're going all the way to 1100 maybe even above. So in other words, when you say infrared light, this is a non visible spectrum of light.

1:08:56But there's a broad number of wavelengths. So an infrared red light bed will have infrared light, but it will be very low in the spectrum. So it doesn't create heat, doesn't excite a chroma for that creates vibration and makes you sweat. When you get an infrared sauna, you're getting very high into those wavelengths. You're exciting and different chroma for in the body and your water to be specific. And it vibrates and creates heat and you start to sweat. So you don't sweat in a red light therapy bed, even though it's infrared, low in the spectrum, but you do sweat in infrared sauna, even though it's infrared light, it's high in the spectrum.

1:09:35So the infrared light and the red light that comes from red light beds and red light panels and face masks is incredibly beneficial for you. I mean, I would be scared to even tell you all the positive outcomes that we've seen people that regularly use red light therapy because you can't really make medical claims around them, but I can tell you firsthand that we have seen just astounding things that people would probably consider miracles with red light therapy. You mentioned the first 45 minutes of sunlight. First light. Because I'm trying to figure out this sort of evolutionary backstory to red light and where it came from in nature and why it was good for us as humans and why we've lost it.

1:10:15Those are three sort of questions. We're really photovoltaic beings. I mean, we're very tied to the circadian cycle of the sun. I mean, light causes the body to behave in very special ways. I mean, you probably heard the getting first light can actually reset your circadian cycle and do more for you to sleep that night and probably just about any other sleep habit. So your sleep routine really starts with your morning routine and it has an effect on cortisol receptors. It has effect on dopamine, I mean, on melatonin receptors. Remember cortisol is a hormone that responds to light. When our eyes are closed and light is passing through our highlights, it has a tendency to raise our cortisol levels, which is why they tell you not to use blue light at night.

1:10:56You're stimulating cortisol and you're stimulating a waking hormone when you're actually trying to go to sleep. So by getting first light, you're telling the body that it's morning. You're raising cortisol, you're down regulating your melatonin receptors, you're getting healthy blue light into your eyes, you're getting healthy light onto your skin. There's no UVA, there's no UVB, none of the damaging rays of the sun. And in 15 or 20 minutes, if you stack them all together, you can ground to breath work and get sunlight. Just try for seven days. What if I have the red light at night time? Is that going to track my body into thinking it's the morning?

1:11:34No. The red light won't do that. It's completely different. It's not the blue light spectra that we're talking about. So I can have red light anytime. You can have red light anytime. In fact, red light, I find it very relaxing. I sometimes will do my red light bed right before bed, sleep like a baby. We've been doing that as well at home, so I was just checking. Awesome. I did Google to see if it was something that would wake me up. But now you're right, blue light is the thing that wakes us. Bit of a tangent, but I just saw you have a gulp of that water. What is in that water? Hydrogen water.

1:12:06Why hydrogen water? This is a little hydrogen generator. I don't know if you can still see that, but there's what it's doing. There's a little pick it up, and you'll be able to see in the car. A little electrolysis pump down there. And it's basically adding hydrogen gas to the water. It's not much left in there, but if you fill it with water, you can see that. It is fascinating. I am so convinced that hydrogen water is the best water that you can put in a human body. There's a website called hydrogenstudies .com that has about 1 ,350 studies. On the site, you can go to hydrogenstudies .com. When you get to that site, you can actually search by human clinical trials, more animal clinical trials.

1:12:49So you can sort out and look at human clinical trials and look at all of the ways that hydrogen gas is used in therapeutic treatments, reducing inflammation, improving the absorption of supplements, improving athletic performance, delaying, addressing delayed onset, muscle soreness, reducing neural inflammation. I mean, there are so many clinical trials proving the efficacy of hydrogen gas in the body. People do hydrogen gas through a nasal cannulus through a ear cannulus through eye cannulus. As you can breathe hydrogen gas, but by drinking hydrogen water, you have a very positive effect on inflammation in the body.

1:13:26When you pump the hydrogen insvert, doesn't it just come out at the top? No, it's sealed. So it's under pressure. So what it does is it forces the gas back into the liquid. Okay. And so the liquid actually gets, has a high part per million concentration of hydrogen gas. The colder the liquid, the more gas you can dissolve. So it takes about five hours for it to dissipate from that. Some people use hydrogen in H2 tablets. I just use this, this hydrogen bottle I take it literally everywhere I go. I notice when I don't have it. Q1 is often when businesses start implementing new systems and processes in hopes of creating efficiencies for the year ahead.

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1:15:15So Zempec is a pet guy called semaglotide. It's GOP1 inhibitor. There's another one called TeurZepatide, which actually did better inside by site clinical trials than semaglotide. That's the Wagovi version, or the Manjaro version. Semaglotide, I think, is Zempec and Wagovi. But these are great for people that have, that are Type 2 diabetics or that are morbidly obese and have issues with cravings that have either diabetes or significant obesity. I think that they've become drugs for vanity. And what people are realizing now is all of the issues with gastrochemicalty and paralytic gut. The fact that when you start to...

1:16:07Parallytic gut. Parallytic gut, which is where you actually get paralysis in the gut, because one of the things that they slow is gastrochemicalty. And so if you slow the rate of gastrochemicalty and very often contents can putrify in the gut. And it's not that I'm totally against these peptides. If you use these peptides, you have to be in a weight training program. So you have to be doing resistance training because a third of the weight that you lose as much as half of the weight that you lose in some of the studies is lean body mass. So if you're taking a semaglotide or a tersepatide, you want to make sure that you're also on a...

1:16:44I would... Archlinical team would put you on a peptide, a growth hormone peptide like Sermorland, hypermoralin, to muscle protect, and then also make sure that you're on a good strength training regimen because just taking these... You don't get the spot removed fat. And so what happens is you start to aggressively mobilize and metabolize fat, very often from the cheeks and from the face. And people are getting semaglotide face or what gov face they're saying now where like their cheeks get really sunken in their eyes. The fat metabolize their eyes start to look like they're sunken in. So if you're morbidly obese or or have a significant amount of weight to lose, you struggle with cravings, you have...

1:17:28You're either severely prediabetic or you're diabetic and they can be life changing. But for vanity purposes, I don't... I think there are a lot better peptides and a lot better ways to do it. What's your life like these days? It's amazing. You know, I... I think I was telling you before I got on the show today that I feel like I'd live somebody else's life. I really do. I can't believe that I found something that I would like otherwise do for free and somehow monetize it. And you must feel the same way, you know, when you're doing a podcast and you know, your message starts to resonate, to caliber of people that it attracts.

1:18:09I mean, the rooms that you get to get in. And for me, I have insatiable level of intellectual curiosity. I'm super, super curious. And the fact that I get to sit down with people like yourself, but some of the greatest minds, you know, in the world that are studying longevity, anti -aging, biohacking, cancer, mortality, sports performance, it's... It's just I pinch myself. And I really do. With our privilege comes our pain. Yeah. What's the pain? You need to be honest with me because this is why we did start this podcast many years ago. You know, for me, the pain is that I've... I've become more popular, I guess.

1:19:02And as the message is resonated, I've become a little more distant from the folks that I initially sought to serve and support. I had a lot more individual reaction. I mean, interaction in the beginning. And now I just simply can't interact with the number of people that would like me to, that actually do need me. And I've turned my attention to trying to train and support the training of as many qualified people as I can. So we can really touch the masses. And I had no idea how much the message would resonate. And it resonated in a way that overpowered my company. And you know, one of the worst things is kind of collapsing under the weight of your own success.

1:19:57And that didn't quite happen. But you know, the message began to resonate. And there were so many people coming to take our tests and seek our services that really really needed us. And I felt the burden of that need. We were for a period of time unatable to respond. We were overwhelmed. And that turned to vitriol in some cases. That's stable. I was now. But you know, it's kind of the, it's kind of be careful what you ask for because you might get it. But by the same token, I wouldn't change a thing. I feel like the most blessed person in the world. What about the family impact? Because you got kids and all that.

1:20:41You know, that is the greatest blessing for me. My kids are landing at LAX and within a few hours. They're in the air right now. So I've got three children. And the oldest two work for me full time. And my daughter just graduated from nursing school. She's starting her PhD in nursing. My son's about 14 weeks behind her. So they're both going for their their PhDs in nursing. So they both have their doctorate in nursing. And that is the greatest blessing in life is when your your you see that your kids have a passion because I feel like you can teach your kids anything. But you can't give them a passion.

1:21:22And the and the fact that they think enough about me and what I'm doing to want to follow in my footsteps is that is beyond anything I can even put into words because I travel with my kids. I see clients with my my my kids and my wife is also in in the business. And I think the pace of our life would be a lot more difficult if I didn't have my family around. I saw Dr. Peter Tia talking on a podcast once in a I'm paraphrasing so I don't know if I'm getting bright. But he said you get 19 years with your kids. The first 18 is from when they're born to when they're 18 years old. And then they're gone.

1:22:06The last year is spread out over the entirety of the rest of their lifetime. And I thought how sad because I spend more time with my kids now than I did almost since the day they were born. And they're just becoming these adults that really inspire me. And so I think that of all the blessings that God has given me that's the biggest one. There are a couple of other things that I was really curious about when I know it's going to speak to you today. One of them was kind of what we were talking about there with your family, which is just like the role of community, which you know, we're clearly in a bit of a loneliness epidemic.

1:22:46And I well, you know, we knew in the in the life expectancy space, this is a material fact that if you wanted to cut somebody's life expectancy in half at any age, put them in isolation. So if you put a human being in isolation, you will cut their life expectancy in half. How could you see that in the data? Because you would there there was something we called a broken heart syndrome or caregiver syndrome. And it's it's well documented in the elderly. You know, when you have a companion that you've been with for 40 or 50 or 60 years in that companion passes very shortly thereafter, the second companion goes.

1:23:26And I always thought that was a myth like a nice tale of heartbreak and love. When we call the broken heart syndrome was nothing to do with a broken heart, but I mean the emotional state, I mean the frequency and their body changes. And when this surrenders, this surrenders the mind in the body. When the mind surrenders, the body surrenders, there's a lot of emerging body of evidence that's actually putting some science behind the theory that emotions can make us sick. And I think everyone believes that in the stress can actually lead to pathology and lead to disease. But so you know that when we isolate human beings, it's hard to completely isolate them, but we know and we isolate human beings that it has a traumatic effect on life expectancy.

1:24:12Some of the worst science that we and research that we do is when we study components of the body or cells from the human body in isolation, you take a cell out and you put it in a petri dish and you look how it behaves in vitro and then you assume when you put that cell back into the body that it's going to behave that way because cells exist in communities too. They exchange with their outside environment, they eliminate waste, they repair, they detoxify, they're they're a very active community. And so you know, the impacts of community as a meaning all the way down to a cellular level. They do animal studies on this kind of thing, right?

1:24:49Oh yeah, no question. Unlearned and unlearned. And isolation and it has a dramatic effect on life expectancy. It's been a while since I've read an animal study, but we knew that isolation had a dramatic effect on mortality. So if when a loved one got moved into an assisted care living facility or we looked at the proximity of family members to a mother or a father that had just lost a grandmother, grandfather that had just lost one or the other spouse. And you knew that the family wasn't going to visit frequently and now that person was in isolation. And when I mean isolation, that completely isolated, but they were isolated from daily activity that had dramatic effect on life expectancy.

1:25:38It was a co -morpidity factor that we used. And mainly in the elderly, but it would happen in younger ages as well. So I think the community is increasingly important for me. You know, I remember when I sold my company, my partner Grand Cardone at the time told me, said, your sphere is about to get a lot smaller. And I was like, that doesn't make sense. My sphere is about to get a lot larger. And it was true. What he said, was very true. You know, my, I spend the majority of my time with my kids. They're working for me full time. We travel together. We see clients together. We're in the hunt together.

1:26:20They're big supporters of the business. They caught the bug there in school together. You know, my youngest still, still lives with me. So my circle has gotten so much smaller, even though you see being out there with like Dana Whites and, you know, and celebrities and athletes. And those are the flash bulb moments. But in my day to day and week to week and month to month, I'm intensely surrounded by my family and a very small team that I have a high level of trust in that is really helping me continue to be in service, you know, to the client's that I work with. What about retirement and purpose in the world that plays an all -round longevity?

1:26:59It's been a while since I used to have the VBT, the variable basic table memorized. But there is a probabilistic factor for retirement and communal interaction. And I forget exactly what that the level of impact was, but we had a probabilistic model where we would use this demographic data. But there is no question that mortality accelerates post -retirement. I don't know that I've dealt enough into the science to really accurately comment on it, but it must have something to do with the loss of the sense of purpose. When you look at blue zones and centenarians, you know, one of the key themes even beyond the diet, because the diets were very different.

1:27:43Singapore has one of the longest life expectancies on Earth to the highest amount of me. Sardinia has very long life expectancies. They eat high amounts of bread, pasta, and flour. You know, the Mediterranean, blue zones eat high amounts of oils, fish, and fats. But what was the common theme between all of them was mobility into older ages and a sense of purpose. And there was no such thing as assisted care living facilities where assisted care was when grandma and grandpa moved back in with their kids and lived with the kids until the day that they died. And maybe her purpose was just to get vegetables that night for dinner.

1:28:21And grandpa's purpose was maybe to continue to make belts for the leathersmith down the road, but they had a sense of purpose. When you think back to your job in life insurance and the role that you had, is there any parts of it that you look back on now and you think about the industry that are unethical? Because you can't reach out because of lower impreasity to these people, as you've said, you know, there would be a violation of a variety of policies and stuff. But is there anything else within the practice of it that you find an ethical? Just the fact that, you know, I wasn't allowed to have any contact with the patient or the training physician.

1:28:57And I understand for good reason because most of the people that are doing this work are not like this to practice medicine. They don't want them jumping into the practice of medicine. But when you notice things that are obvious and that maybe you know that a doctor would have appreciated that phone call. Oh my gosh, I didn't know that she was on that other script. Thank you for calling me. I mean, it wasn't to smirk them or take her with her practice of medicine. But I really wish that the database would see the light of day. The databases that are used in predicting mortality, in my opinion, could change the face of humanity.

1:29:33I know why they won't because it would upend modern medicine in a way, in my opinion, that would be catastrophic. Destroy their business as well, wouldn't it? Because they need people to die, really. Because they don't want to be paying out. Well, you know, newities need people to die. Life insurance wants people to live a little bit longer. Okay. Oh yeah, because the longer they live, the more they pay. The longer they live, the more they pay. But annuities one, you've put down a deposit basically, so they want that deposit. Guarantee being income stream for life. So if you could kindly expire tomorrow, that would be good for me.

1:30:08And the same companies do both. Same companies do both. Okay. There's something called the life insurance, life in newity contract, a lilac, where you actually put in a newity and a life insurance policy on the same life. And you can't lose. I did a genetic test with 10X. You did? I did. And like you said, you're not able to give me the results of my test. But I wanted to invite in Dr. Carrie Sada, who's going to me about my results and also what the test is and what it means for me. So I'm very excited to see the results. I'm excited for you to see them. Let's get it in. A couple of days ago, I had someone come to my studio and they did a swab inside of my mouth for something called the 10X genetic methylation test, I believe.

1:30:52What was that test? And why did I do it? You did it to look at the five major genes of methylation. So remember that if we pulled your entire genetic code, we would get a lot of non -actual information. I could see that you have dark olive skin, you have dark eyes, you have detached earlobes. But there's nothing you can do with that genetic information. We want genetic information that's actionable. So while you can't go in and fix the gene, you can very often supplement ports function. And the genes of methylation are very special because they code for the process of converting one raw material into the usable form.

1:31:32So in other words, we convert it into a usable form called methylfolate. And so this process is called methylation. It's the most important process that human beings go through. We do it 300 billion times a day. And when you have breaks in certain genes, this means that your body is not converting one raw material into the usable form. And this causes a deficiency. And very often it's this deficiency that leads to some of the most common ailments that we suffer from. Dr. Curry Sada. Hello. Thanks for having me. Could you give us a little bit of your bio and your background? Sure. My original training was surgical, it was obstetrical and gynecology.

1:32:15And I just found that more chronic disease was happening. And people weren't really getting better. And so my specialized training has been in functional medicine, kind of a more holistic approach, have two masters degrees in this and met up with Mr. Breka. Eight years ago now. It's been a while. And in a small room and we started up looking at these genetic tests and reasons that people were not getting better. So I've got my test results here, which full disclosure, I'm yet to see. Jack Curry has put them on my iPad and told me that I can swipe up and look at them. So what am I looking at here?

1:33:00And what does it tell me? Okay, so with your permission that we can share that of course, because that's important. Only if it's good. I do want to tell you your parents did you a solid? Yeah, they did. You won the genetic lottery. So remember that in genetics, I think people get confused. Genes are like blueprints. So your mother writes half of that blueprint and your father writes the other half. And you're born with that. You'll take that to your grave. So when you do have something that isn't quite exactly what you want it to be a variant is the term that we tend to use. When that does happen, we want to find out ways to work around that.

1:33:38How we color code this to make it understandable is if you have a kind of a normal copy and a normal copy from each parent that's green. And if you have one copy from a parent that is normal, but one copy that is not, we're going to color that yellow. And you have one of those. And if you have both copies are not normal, that's red. And you don't have any of those, which is great. And the significance to that is the green genes will code 100%. You're good to go. Yellow genes, about 40%. Red genes, 10 or less. And kind of think of it like putting spokes in a wheel. It just kind of clogging it up because these genes do follow a pathway.

1:34:21It's the methylation pathway. I like to think of methylation as activation. Like we talked about taking something raw, bring it in and allowing yourselves to convert it to what it can use. So if you have any glitches in the pathway, you're not going to be as efficient. So you would want to correct for your one variant gene there. So you come in nicely with that first gene. That's probably the most common one. And that's the real popular one. We kind of take it next level. We follow the pathway all the way up. And the reason why this even matters is because it affects everything on you. It affects how you sleep.

1:35:02It affects ultimately down the road at a deeper level. How you sleep, how your thyroid functions, how your gut functions, how your moods, how you detox, especially heavy metals, how you detox, it affects your inflammation in your body, how well you can fight for your radicals. Those are all important things. And that's why this is more than just data. It's real data. So if you do not correct your one yellow, you're not going to be as good at doing all those things, detoxing, fighting inflammation, your gut movement, those kinds of things. And it's a pretty simple fix for you. If you don't activate those nutrients, then let's give you activated nutrients.

1:35:48For example, you most likely have trouble activating B12. That's probably an issue that you are not as efficient at. Of course you do it, but you're not as efficient at it because it wasn't green. So you would want to therefore take the activated B12 form, the methylated B12 form. So by doing that every day, I kind of like in it to the road is broken, but you've built a bridge over it. So that's how you can compensate for that gene variant or that gene break we like to kind of lovingly call them. On my results, this has one parent passed on a gene mutation. Which one was it? So that's the thing.

1:36:34Unless you tested your parents, you're not going to really know who gave you what. You do know that you had one that gave you a normal gene and one that gave you a variant. And that's why it's yellow. What else does this mean for me on a practical level? Does this mean that I'm going to like, you know, I want to know if there's any sort of health implications that I should be aware of. So anytime you have any kind of variant in your methylation, especially in the lower pathway, you have to understand that it is going to affect it all the way up. So when so effects can be all the way from simple sleep issues to all the way to not being able to sleep at all can be mood, gut issues.

1:37:15Okay, but you can take it out of the loop with the supplement. Are you able to tell me about the worst sort of profile you've seen and the sort of real world consequences of that when all five mok is of that are interrupted. Yeah, we've seen them where there's a heavy mix of red and green. Okay. And this is where you see significant personality alteration significant. What we would refer to as mental illness severe ADD, ADHD, OCD, manic depression, bipolar. You see very high propensities for addiction because of the depleted level of dopamine. You see significant sleep disorders, very severe gut issues, gas, bloating, diarrhea, constipation, irritability, cramping that don't seem to be fixable with conventional therapies or dietary changes.

1:38:10Those are amazing cases to watch the clinical team work with because by getting methylation right, I have seen those cases solved by our clinical team and many of those symptoms become fully remissive. And we get a lot of chances to make good people great, but when you can materially change somebody's life, by fixing those gene mutations, that's when you're really making an impact. There's these five acronyms here, comped and then it says mind, AHCY, then it says mind, MTRR, then it says upper gut, MTRR, that says lower gut, that's one that I have this yellow one on. And then there's the motherfucker one, I shouldn't say that.

1:38:53The MTHFR, which is mind and gut, these are the five sort of factors for methylation, which is really about how I process the ingredients I put in my body. Yes. And I'm guessing that these are at different stages in my body. So the ones that say mind are in my head, the one that says upper gut is sort of high up in my gut, then that says lower up is in my lower gut, and then this MTHFR that says mind and gut, that's that's true. And the reason is that remember these are sequential. Right? So I always use the analogy that think of it like a sandbag pass, right? So you have a bunch of guys lined up and you have one guy that's taking the sandbags off the truck and passing it to the next guy and he passes it to the next guy and so on.

1:39:34Well, if early in that chain, he was supposed to take 10 sandbags off the truck, but he dropped four. The best the rest of the line could do is six. So in other words, if an early gene like MTHFR, which is early in the methylation cycle is impaired, it impairs the entire downstream. And if several gene SNPs later, you have another major gene SNP, it will impair things further downstream. And so the reason why MTHFR is one of the worst to have the easiest to fix is because it's the earliest in the methylation cycle. I can't it's fast, right? It's first. So if that's red, meaning both parents gave you that gene mutation, you could have consequences through the entire methylation cycle.

1:40:18So is that what you tend to say, if someone has the yes, this is why if you Google consequences of MTHFR or MTHFR and miscarriages, MTHFR and ADD, MTHFR and ADHD, MTHFR and anxiety, you're going to see hordes of articles and clinical studies linking that gene mutation to what seems like a vast myriad of consequences. Well, that vast myriad of consequences is actually related to the gene SNPs that are further downstream, but they're affected because they're not getting the raw material they need to do their job. And in my opinion, it's one of the most overlooked things in all of modern medicine as simple as this test is and as easily and widely available as it is.

1:41:00I'm surprised that more frontline clinics do not do this because people do it once in their lifetime and they supplement for deficiency and sometimes you see miraculous changes in their life. Gary, thank you. I'm going to put this. Yeah. These results, my results, in the description of this episode below exactly as it is here in front of me so everyone can see and the details of how I've got the test done, etc. will all be available there for you guys to check out. As you know, we have a closing tradition. This podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for.

1:41:34The question that has been left for you is this one. Oh, I should know who your last guest was. Okay. So they said they're quoting someone and it says, Gondolini said, be the change that you want to see in the world. What is the change you want to see?

1:42:00It looks like good, Leny. You try to read this. Gandhi said, be the change you want to see in the world. What is the change you want to see and how will you be it? Well, I want to see people live healthier, happier, longer lives, more fulfilling lives. And I will be that by continuing to get the message out. And that's why I'm here. And that's when I wake up and do every day. And I can't hold a candle to Gandhi. But I will spend the balance of my adult lifetime continuing to get the message out. Gary, thank you so much. Having getting to know you on and off camera, you're such a genuine, true, lovely human.

1:42:49Thank you. And your intent and your intentions are so clear to me and so pure. So, you know, I've had loads of people reach out to me since I last conversation and speak to the value that your advice has had on their lives. Thousands of thousands of people. I mean, did that make me? I mean, I looked at the last conversation. I looked at my emails around that time. I searched your name and when I say thousands, I mean thousands and thousands of people that are reporting to have better lives, happy lives because they listen to that conversation. So, so awesome. They probably won't be able to reach you.

1:43:16So, on behalf of those people, I wanted to say, thank you so much for doing what you do because it's very important. Oh, man, that's not always easy. Yeah. But, you know, it's an occupation or hazard. Yeah. Yeah. Putting yourself out there in the world, as I did. So, thank you so much, Gary. I appreciate your time. Super welcome.

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