At The Table With The Dice Tower - Party Like It's 2006

28:43But having more than two tickets that go to Las Vegas, I believe there's only two tickets in the base game. Having just more tickets in general, I thought really kind of streamlined that game, made it better. It also made it because you could, if you played with people who knew the game really well and you were playing with just those base tickets, they could know what tickets you had based on what you were doing. But adding the 1910 tickets sort of muddied the waters enough that it wasn't completely clear what you were doing sure some of these people still eric you know but anyway that's true i was also playing you know i occasionally play through the ages again as an app i was gonna say i was trying to remember the last time i played through the ages pillars of the earth maybe tickets to ride markland is one of my favorite versions blue moon city although i'm holding out for a reprint on that one the one i think i play the most from this year is a lesser known one on the underground yeah because that had a remake a few years ago which was beautifully done um but yeah there's a lot of games here battle or i play battle lord 2 now commands and colors ancients great game but you know i just don't play it as much if i do i'm gonna probably play memoir maybe battle for hoth you know the newest kind of versions of these so it's not that bad games came out but there's not a lot of games that change the hobby other than maybe through the ages by putting cg in the map which is a big deal true um and the simply fun stuff which again people don't know about but i think that had a you know a lot of there's a lot of great little simply fun games out there you should hunt them down so interesting year but um sort of a lull year so far 2026 has been better no i'm like So I actually, I keep a record of all the games I play every year.

30:31And right now I have a game that I've given a five to as my number three game of 2026. I keep a record of my top ten at all times. But that's just because I have not played a ton of games from 2026. So it will happen. So you think something's going to beat it to knock it out of the podium? One weekend and the year's all wrapped up. If the year ended now. If the year ended now, yeah. But I'll tell you that's because the first January, February, March, April, I'll still be playing 2025 games. We still have a lot of catching up to do. That's all you're going to do in a few weeks, Eric, on the cruise is just play 2025 games.

31:12That is the plan, yes. Also, all the publishers who are delivering Kickstarters and GameFound now are still calling their games 2025. They're like, we shipped one copy in December. Yeah. It's a little muddy. Therefore, the 2025 game, like, that's not true. Yeah, kind of. Questions. Questions. Questions. Questions. All right. So we got a listener question that is a little obfuscated. They wanted to remain anonymous so as not to put the perpetrator on blast. But it involves playing someone else's copy of a game. And then something goes wrong. There is a spill. There's a snack-related dust incident.

31:56Someone sneezes and knocks the components into a paper shredder. Something has gone wrong. That happens to be running next to the table. Yes, it's a Rube Goldberg thing and has ruined the game. This could also be like, you know, somebody slams a card down a little too hard and bends it. and what is the etiquette when you have caused irreparable damage to the game I like that Eric is like saying all this stuff but it's like 98 % of these incidents are spilled drinks sure I just wanted to get creative but what do you do? do you offer to replace the game? do you try and fix the game? do you suggest sleeves for the next time or maybe turning off the shredder in the corner of the room?

32:46Do you just run away and never talk to that person again? What's the etiquette for replacing a game that you damaged? I feel like this is a goofus and gallant situation here. Do you run away? I'm like, well, yes, that's the choice. I think I should pick. I never speak to that person again. Yeah. Well, let's start at the beginning. So let's say the game is damaged. For a lot of people, this is where it will start. And obviously you should always apologize, blah, blah, blah. But what is considered damaging the game? Some people are very, very finicky. You know, the people who have couch covers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

33:25And so they're like, oh, these cards are scuffed up. But I get to see anyone ever get frustrated at another person about that. But people do nick cards with their nails and things. I've never seen someone ask. The biggest thing is when it's a singular event, the spill, a game gets dropped, a piece gets snapped in half. Isn't it just like automatically polite to offer to replace the game? Yeah. I've had boards snapped. Like, you know, the board is not quite laying flat and so you try and bend it the other way and it just... Have you ever done that to someone else's board? I haven't, but I've had it done to me.

34:08Oh, no. I was very polite. I said, no, it's fine. Everything's fine. It's fine. I don't know necessarily if saying, can I replace the game is my first go-to. My first go-to is how can I make this right? Which might be replace the whole game in their response. It might be, it depends on the person. So it depends on the game. um if i also try not to play games if i if i know you know i ask kind of a thing of what's your level of this is your game like if you're bringing it to a group playthrough then don't bring your games that you're precious about kind of a thing but yeah yeah but regardless if you do that if i see that they are nervous about bringing the game i try to be extra cautious to begin with yeah but yes i have i've absolutely spilled a drink accidentally all over a game and i said how can i make this better and we cleaned it all up and determined it was not salvageable and i did replace it yeah that was very early on let me escalate though games out of print or hard to get.

35:27Is there a limit of how much you're willing to do to replace a game? Well, now I have a delightful husband who's really good at making recreating games. Yeah, okay. So I outsource that problem if that were ever to come up now. Perfect. I like that as a solution. There are, you know, 3D printers and all kinds of things you can do with modern technology. So I feel like I could still replace an out-of-print game. It would not be the out-of-print version. Yeah. But I like that approach. I do the best I could. Starting with the how do I make this better? How do I get you into a playable condition again?

36:07Yeah. What do we need to do? Do we need to sleeve? Do we need to replace? Do I need to start a letter writing campaign? do I need to build and forge a new set by my own hands? Sure. But also you got to read the room or at least the person. I've met some people who, as when we start, they're like, listen, please do not riffle shuffle the cards. Please be careful here. And when I know that person's there, any drink I have is going to be 200 yards from the table. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's some people won't even let others help them clean up the game. Because they're very particular about the game.

36:44And I'm not even necessarily saying this is bad. Everyone has their different levels. I was going to say, there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all. But depending on your level is going to depend on my care. That sounds bad. I'm not saying that if you say, I don't care, I'm just going to be like, oh, I'm spending your cards. But if you're very careful, I will be even more careful. I will just be very cautious. And if something happens and you lie like Eric said he did, where you say it's okay, I know it's not.

37:15Yeah. Because, Eric – so let's reverse the question, Eric. Someone does it to you. And this is the bigger issue, right? Because we all think if we're a polite person and something bad happens, we'll offer to do it. But the person almost always says, don't worry about it. It's fine. Yeah. And then you're like, does that make it fine? Because we just naturally always say that. Right. Right, and then go home and stew and talk to our significant others and friends about how this game is, yes, and it causes hurt feelings. I think that's why I ask not, is it okay? I say, how do I make this better? Because that's a much harder to, it's not a yes, no.

38:01Yeah, I like that. Because, yeah, the inclination is to say, yeah, no, it's fine. Don't worry about it. Right. Just to smooth things over and not have an incident, in quotes. But yeah, there's usually some sort of hurt feelings, even if you are generally okay with it. Unless it's a throwaway copy already that's already been played to death. Right. So you're right. I don't think I, if somebody's like, no, it's fine. I also don't take that. I wouldn't take that as a final answer. As a get out of jail free card. I might wait until the kerfuffle has died down and then privately go over and be like, no, really, how do I make this better?

38:40Yeah, I like that approach. When the person has had time to think and get over the shock of their precious, precious game being. Let things cool off a little bit. Yeah. Also, as a side note, if you do spill something, be super proactive in this situation. Oh, yeah. I know we all like to sit in horror as things goes, but jump in there, get paper towels, whatever. Clear the game board. Rescue what you can. Limit the damage. Don't take out your phone and start filming. This will be hilarious. Wow. Viral video. No, but a lot of games, if you get that water up fast, damage is minimized. You let it sit there for a while.

39:25Yep. You know, this stuff happens, though. I think if someone does this to me, I mean, I'm always talking about how these are just games and even a valuable game. It's still a game. It's not a human being. And I don't think any item that's a board game should be worth a friendship. Sure. Should be worth me. Now, don't get me wrong. If someone's a real jerk and doesn't care and they have their finger licking chicken and grease and I say something and they still keep doing it, then that's not me being careful about the game. That's me having a problem with that person in general. Right. It's that person.

40:08But if someone does make a mistake and you're like, they shouldn't have done this. Well, right. They shouldn't have done it. But that's how mistakes happen. People do things they shouldn't have done. Right. And we need to be proactive on both ends. If I'm the one who caused it, I need to do whatever it takes to fix that. And if it happens to me, I need to do whatever it takes to also make that person not feel terrible. Let me tell you a somewhat oblique story. Someone came to our game meetup, and it was their very first time gaming with us. It was at – with the Dice Tower people. This was a while ago.

40:48and they unfortunately for them they just happened to be in the wrong place the wrong time and the toilet overflowed right it just was a it wasn't their fault i was probably mine for you know for all who knows right right and it was embarrassing we had to clean it up and everything and we're lucky they came back next week because for a lot of people that would be like yeah that's it i'm out that's that i never know these people again who i'm still good friends with and know well this is years and years later um and but it's up to you as the host to not make that person feel like a heel right because they already feel bad yes hopefully and again if they don't that's a people problem that's right you know that tells you something as well right if their kid rips one of your cards and you're like kids will be kids well that's a person problem yeah But usually they feel terrible.

41:45But if they offer to replace the game, letting them do that is not you being a jerk. It kind of solves the problem. Sometimes we're too afraid to let people right their wrongs. Cool. I like – this is all good advice. I'm writing it all down. Well, you're the one who did it. This is Eric's letter. Wait, what? No. Let's talk about games.

42:12They say that every rose has its thorn, but not every rose has a hula hoop. All righty. I got a couple games here. The first one for me is a hula hoop. Okay. This is Add to Playlist. This is from Big Potato Games. So I don't know if you guys have noticed, but everyone listens to different kinds of music, and no two music tastes are alike. What? Except for 15 to 18-year-old – I'm sorry, 11 to 17-year-old teenagers. They all like the same music. Cool. But as you grow up, you like different music and everything. And so what Add the Playlist does is it will put – it's team versus team party game. And you'll put five random categories out.

43:00And the box comes with a ton of categories. The category might be music my mother would never listen to. Music that will be my WWE entrance theme. Music that I would listen to while reading a book. Music that scares me. Whatever. You have these five. There's five different items. So then your team makes a playlist of five songs. So you can have a team of up to five people. But if there's less than five people, each person puts a song on this playlist. You use Spotify, Apple, Amazon, whatever. Each person adds at least one song. but if there's less than five then some people add more than one song and you can pick any category if you put two songs in you have to pick different categories but all five people could pick the same category if you have five people on a team and then you shovel these playlists and one at a time you play the songs and the other team has to guess a who put the song on and b what category hmm and it's hilariously fun like the in our last game of this my team oh you know what i'm just going to tell you i i still have the playlist on my uh spotify here so um where is it here it's a game so this is the our last five playlists it's baby shark living on a prayer takedown which is from the k-pop demon hunters yeah yeah hawaiian roller coaster ride and fancy which i think is also from the demon hunters and those were picked by two different people one of them was me because it was music i would never listen to um but my daughter picked it as i think music my parents would listen to or something like that um and then one of the categories in this one i remember was a terrible nursery a terrible song to play in a nursery and that one person picked Baby Shark, but the other person picked Living on a Prayer.

44:57So, go figure. Okay. But it's really amusing because you're not quite sure who picked this song in what category. Especially if the categories are diverse, right? Right. Like, well, that's Tom's favorite song. But there's also a song that I play after, you know, I listen to after a breakup or, you know, whatever, and maybe it's not Tom who picked this song. Right. Huh. It's amusing, and And because it's a party game, yes, you could try to game it and break it and pick songs that aren't – oh, no one will ever think I picked this song. You got to not do that sort of thing. But if you don't, I think it works really well and it's funny.

45:38So you're trying to get the other team not to guess correctly? I don't think that. I think – I mean you could do it that way. I think more than that, you just be honest, pick some songs just that match a category. and then it's on you to guess who did it. But you're not trying to pick something that's, like I said, you could break it if you did that. It's more about the experience than it is about points. I'd have to play the analog version because I'm not subscribing to any of those things. You can look at my wall of CDs and pick your tracks from there. There's going to be someone who says that.

46:15Thanks, Eric. Speaking of 2006. I was, you know, on that note, in 2006, I owned a 250 disc CD changer. Oh, one of the big carousel ones? I was so excited about it. But you know, the problem with that carousel one is there was a 12 second delay. Oh, yeah. Between songs because it would, you know, spin, take one out. Yeah. But they had made it so that if you bought two of them, you could cross. And I was sitting there going, this was already really expensive. I considered buying two, and then I saw this new thing called an MP3 player, and that saved my life. So there you go. That annoying whirring.

47:03And then a new music would start. Yep. For my rose, I finally played Galactic Cruise, the hottest Euro game from last year, and I very much enjoyed it. It's a smidge longer. I think that I would prefer, although I'm sure multiple games would get rid of that. But it's a game in which you are running space cruises. It looks like a Vitella Serda game. Happily, it's not that complex. I'm not saying it's not heavy. It's a heavier game. But I love the theming of it. I love, you know, I made a cruise up that the rooms of my cruise were like playpen room and video game room. And I was like, kids only on this cruise.

47:46Yep. You know, and the parents are like, wait, what did we sign up for? But it's fun. You make these cruise, you launch them, they go around on tours. And there's a lot of really fun things to do in it. I was very impressed. Beautiful production. So Galactic Cruise, a really cool game. Yeah, one of my favorites of the year. So glad you got to play it. What about you, Joey? So I played a lot of family favorites over the holidays. Pretty much from Thanksgiving till now, there has been very little new in my life. So I'm going back. And while 2006 was kind of a quieter year, 2007 had a classic that I still consider a rose, which is Zuloretto.

48:36Okay. classic game classic game we played it uh we play it a couple times a year and when definitely when uh when i tell robert he gets to pick he does not pick new games anymore he picks classic game so uh zoo loretto for anybody who hasn't been around for the last 19 years uh you're acting as zookeepers and you're trying to make the most attractive zoo so on your turn you can do one of three actions. You can either add a tile to a truck. Tiles are animals, money, or vendor stalls. You can take a truck. And if you take a truck, you're going to place all the tiles that are on it at that point in either one of the enclosures where all the animals have to be the same or in the barn where they can be stolen or they're worth negative points at the end.

49:27But once you take a truck, you're done and can't do any of the other things. So it's push your luck for how long you do it. And then the third thing you could do is spend money to perform an action, which is either remodel, which is moving around the animals, either groups or a single one from the barn out into the one of the enclosures. Purchase or discard animals. So purchase from another player's barn or discard one that's in your barn. Or expand, which is flip over the expansion boards and have a new enclosure space. You're scoring based on how full your enclosures are, how many different types of vendor stalls you have, and negative points for the items still in your barn at the end of the game.

50:14It's simple, it's clean, it's fun and puzzly. You're trying to second guess your pusher luck, the pusher luck part of it opponents as you place things in the three different trucks or however many they are based on the number of players trying to psych them out and give less good choices so they're going to have to take some good things with some bad when they take their truck and it's a it's still a rose it's a it's a rose every time on the other hand i played uh so myrtle is a logic puzzle mostly their books there is a board game, but Merry Myrtle was the holiday logic puzzle book that I had for the holiday.

51:03There was 25 puzzles in it. So I was trying to treat it kind of like a - An advent calendar? An advent calendar kind of a thing, but one that traveled well, as opposed to the exit advent calendar, which is great, but does not travel well. It is very large. so any of the myrtles you're you're doing logic puzzles by using clues to do a deductive grid kind of like a sudoku but with process of elimination yes or no of you're trying to find the the killer the location and the item so very clue style and then it gets harder as it goes on so but the logic puzzle why if frosterton the snowman which you know because i prefer formal names to nicknames was seen at the icy igloo and later you learn that the corrosive candy canes were made in the icy igloo you know that they were frost returns so you can eliminate that way um they start really simple they get progressively more difficult they add more categories like uh for this one there was also the favorite holiday movie and then you get uh to a point where one of the people talking is a liar so you have to eliminate the liars but figure them out and then eliminate those clues and revise your logic puzzle progression.

52:23All puzzly goodness, which is something I really like. However, here's my thorn about this particular one. The writing is always corny. There's always a lot of, let's call it dad humor and running jokes. And I'm fine with that. But you have to read everything closely because some of the clues are in the narrative writing, not just the clues that are laid out. And that means you have to read it carefully. And I'm sorry, but the writing isn't that good. It's goofy and it's repetitive. And you're a person who's supposed to believe only in logic. So you don't believe in Santa, even though you're interrogating elves and reindeer.

53:16And it just, it got really less enjoyable as the time went on. So for me, sadly, this Mary Myrtle was a thorn. But if you like a good dad joke, then it's still game on for you. You're just mad that you were forced to read all the dad jokes. I was. I was mad. I was mad. I read them with pleasure. There you go. So it would not be a thorn for you. Maybe it's a hula hoop. No, it would probably be. I'm just saying I'm going to make my kids suffer, too, if I have to do this. Yes, read them out loud. That's 100 % fair. How about you? Well, let's begin with a rose. I knew I was going to like this one, and I was not at all surprised to do so.

53:58This is the latest Unmatched Adventures box, which is based on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. This is a two-sided board where you will be facing either Krang, the brain in a body, or Shredder. And Krang is trying to suck all of the world into Dimension X, and Shredder is just sort of trying to take over New York. This is the cooperative version of Unmatched. It comes with the four turtles, you know, those guys, Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo, Raphael. and they have sidekicks that they will utilize for their doing stuff. And each one has special powers that they can trigger and do neat things.

54:39Donatello, for example, is trying to find specific cards in his deck and has some cool deck cycling effects. And as he plays those cards, they stay out as permanent effects and he becomes really strong if you can find those cards and not discard them due to other effects and stuff. Pretty cool mechanisms there. the fun part is that you can plug in other characters you can this is compatible with the entire unmatched universe i have not yet attempted to take down shredder with a t-rex but i could if i wanted to uh which is very cool what really gets me here and made me enjoy it so much is that they really embraced the theme there's a lot of little flavor elements in here um unmatched has always been good with their minis the i love just the presentation of these washed.

55:27They all have a general shading wash on them, so you don't feel like you have to paint these minis. They're not a plain gray. They're neat. They're detailed. They look cool just out of the box. Really neat. I played this with my brother, who was a huge Turtles fan growing up. He had the Technodrome. He had the figures. He was fully in the sphere of Turtles, And so he was having a blast taking out the little mouser drones and the various characters. There's also an extended minis pack. The game comes with the two villains and the four turtles and then the little tokens for their sidekicks and stuff.

56:10But there is an extended minis pack that has figurines for all of the sidekicks and villains and all that stuff. Yes, get it. it's very cool and some neat effects with like coloring on Krang. Krang is like a separate piece inside the well of the body which is cool. He sort of rattles around. Excellent production with one slight caveat that the insert doesn't quite fit everything just right and it also doesn't work to put it on its side and as I tend to do, it pains me every time but I think I'm going to have to ditch the insert at some point just to fit it in the way I want it to on the shelf.

56:48But I've done that with all of my Unmatched at this point. So it's going to happen. It just hasn't yet. But beyond that. You get over it, Eric. I know. Give in. Give in. That one little niggling thing, the TMNT set for Unmatched Adventures is a lot of fun if you are at all a fan of the Turtles. Yeah, a fun time. Now let's turn to the thorny aspect. This is a game called Heroes of Timeline, which already was a red flag to me. How did you get this game? They just sent it. It just showed up in the mail. I also got a copy, but I did not play it. Oh, well, let me elucidate the situation. So it feels like Heroes of Timeline as a title is missing an article.

57:36Like there should be another word in there, Heroes of the Timeline or Heroes of a Timeline or something. There isn't one, but that's indicative of the rulebook because the rulebook is also missing several articles. There are words missing in various sentences. And also they use some weird terminology like this is a two-player battle game. And they talk about the start player and the second player, and then they refer to another player. I don't know where this mysterious other player came from. I think they mean the first, like they're alternating back and forth, but using different terminology for these different people.

58:15Let's talk about what the game is. It is a hex based skirmish game where you are given a team of characters that range from three to five. So you could have an uneven team. I might have five. Tom might have three people. And you are trying to take out the other players or win a points victory. because at the end of each round of the game, if you're controlling the center space of this hex grid, you get a point for the round. And if no one is controlling the center, then whoever is controlling the most sort of pie wedges, it's a hexagon, most pie wedges will get the point. And most points will win if no one wins the domination victory at the end.

58:58The characters fit into these neat little stands, which is kind of cool. They're like a dual-layer plastic thing that has slots for shield tokens. And you can have super shields that will defend against not only distance shots, ranged shots, or melee shots. Or you can have regular shields that'll fight against distant shots, but not a melee. A melee will break right through if somebody runs up and hits you. And you get to slot those in, and you're given a certain number of them for this character, and you can put them wherever you want. It means nothing, because, you know, you can turn your character around and someone can just run around to the side that is not defended and hit you there.

59:39So it doesn't mean as much as you think it does. All of these characters have abilities, and they will trigger them as they run around if they're still alive. But each of these characters only has one hit point. So if somebody runs around to the other side that's not defended, they will hit you and you will die. And then you can't do any of those effects. The game begins with the first player being the one who has the larger team. So Tom has three people. I have five people. I'm going to go first. Then Tom goes. Then I go. Then Tom goes. Then I go. Then Tom moves his last person. Then I continue moving my people.

1:00:13Tom gets like one little mini turn where he can, you know, move around or something like that. But I'm going to get the last turn and I can then maybe position that last guy. So I score the point in the final turn. So I'm ahead already. That's where things get muddy as to who gets to go next. And they are not like you would think at the end of a turn, they would say the player who blank starts the next round. They never say that. They put it in like a very early portion of the of the rulebook that talks about who triggers early abilities and who doesn't. And they use that weird language where another player, then the first player, then the last player to move in the previous round begins naming their abilities.

1:00:56It's all this big muddy ball. And so it took three plays to try and figure out who goes next, which is very important because whoever goes first then gets to take out whoever is going to be a threat in the next round. And it just becomes this one hit ping pong, ping pong, ping game's over. It is... It looks okay. But I should have listened to all of the warning lights that went off when it was missing that article in the title. Heroes of Timeline is not a game I want to play anymore. It's a thorn. I have questions. Yeah. Where is Timeline in all of this? Where is Timeline, really? I think Timeline is a place.

1:01:38I think it's a name. It might be a country. There's lore. There's lots of lore. There is lore. Oh, yeah, there's pages of lore in the rulebook. but I just didn't feel any of that because it just becomes once the player teams get close enough to attack each other in melee it just becomes there's like abilities to throw up walls and defensive structures and stuff but once somebody can maneuver to you and hit you it just becomes a ping pong sort of match okay yeah all my follow up questions are not not going to be helpful calm down It's good. Play a good game. It's fine. It's fine. And I almost, I wanted to find an example of the language, and I apparently have hidden the box so that I can't look at it anymore.

1:02:26So maybe future Eric will jump in with an example of the text, but I think it's just a bad translation issue. It just doesn't save the game. Hey, future Eric here. You know, I kind of hate to continue stomping on this game, but I did promise I was going to jump in. This is the section that talks about the turn order or who declares their abilities after the first round. So it says, after one player has activated last hero in the preceding turn, and the turn results have been determined, the other player will declare their pre-turn abilities followed by the first player. Okay, so far. And then it says, after the last player declared pre-turn abilities, another player selects and activates a hero from their team.

1:03:11I still don't really understand who goes first at that point like which anyway the other thing that I didn't mention is that if you lose a round you get a punishment so if you're already behind because you didn't score a point and now you're getting smacked by like not having as much movement anyway back to back to the past group what a way to end the show positive things um going into the New Year hard. We're excited about the future. We're going to, we have the, don't forget, the Dice Tower Game Fountain. Check it out. Conventions, we'll have a good time. But if not, let's say you can't do any of those things.

1:03:52Well, then just have a great week. Play some games. Pull one off the shelf you already know and have a fun time playing it. Do it. Do it. Even if it's from 2006. And if it is, fantastic. Thank you all for listening. Until next time, I'm Tom Vassell. I'm Julie Ahern. And I'm Eric Sommerer. Ha ha ha, I messed you up again. Thanks for listening. At the Table is produced by Tom, Julie, and Eric with assistance from the team at Dice Tower Studios. You can find us online on Facebook or on BoardGameGeek in the Dice Tower Guild. Promotional consideration has been provided by publishers in the form of review copies of games.

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1:04:50I was hoping you would have the courage to not do that, Eric. And there is no corner of the universe that is safe. No, this is how we fight it. If we start doing it, it's not going to be cool anymore. No. Well, it's not going to be cool. Because it's not cool. It's not. Right, yeah. This is how I fight it. Resist.