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Podcast Summary: Argentina's Elusive Big Cats
Podcast Title The Documentary Podcast
Episode Title Argentina's Elusive Big Cats
Episode Description This episode explores the reintroduction of wild jaguars in Northern Argentina after decades of extinction. The story follows the journey of a baby jaguar cub spotted in August 2025 and highlights the efforts of Rewilding Argentina, a non-profit foundation dedicated to restoring the jaguar population. The podcast takes listeners deep into the 'Impenetrable Forest' and examines the challenges faced by jaguars, including hunting and local perceptions of these big cats.
Key Themes and Concepts
Rewilding Efforts
- Rewilding Argentina: A non-profit organization focused on restoring wildlife, specifically jaguars, to their natural habitats.
- Success Stories: The birth of a jaguar cub signifies a significant achievement in conservation efforts.
Local Community Engagement
- Challenges with Local Perceptions: Many locals view jaguars as dangerous threats, which complicates conservation efforts.
- Economic Incentives: The organization works to shift local attitudes by creating job opportunities in eco-tourism, which is presented as a more sustainable alternative to hunting and logging.
Habitat and Ecosystem Importance
- The Impenetrable Forest: A critical habitat for jaguars, characterized by its dense foliage and ecosystem diversity.
- Importance of Top Predators: Jaguars play a vital role in maintaining ecological balance by controlling prey populations.
Episode Highlights
Journey to the Impenetrable Forest
- Travel Experience: The hosts navigate through challenging terrains and extreme weather conditions to reach the jaguar habitat.
- Guides and Local Expertise: Insights from local guides enrich the narrative, shedding light on traditional knowledge about the ecosystem.
Daily Life and Challenges
- Living Conditions: The discomforts of camping in the forest alongside the excitement of potential jaguar sightings.
- Local Wildlife: Descriptions of other species encountered, contributing to the vivid imagery of the forest's ecosystem.
Conservation Strategies
- Reintroduction of Jaguars: The strategic relocation of jaguars from other areas to repopulate the forest.
- Monitoring Techniques: Use of technology, such as collars and hidden cameras, to track jaguar movements and behaviors.
Personal Stories
- Melina's Journey: One local guide’s transformation from a traditional lifestyle to becoming a tourist guide, showcasing the impact of rewilding on individual lives.
- Community Impact: Testimonials from locals illustrate the changing perceptions and economic benefits brought by the Rewilding Argentina initiative.
Key Takeaways
- Conservation Success: The birth of a jaguar cub is a powerful symbol of successful conservation efforts and community engagement.
- Education and Awareness: Educating local communities about the ecological benefits of jaguars is crucial for their acceptance and survival.
- Sustainable Practices: Eco-tourism presents a viable alternative to hunting and logging, offering economic incentives to protect wildlife.
Conclusion This episode of The Documentary Podcast dives deep into the intricate balance between conservation and community needs. It presents a compelling narrative of hope and determination in the face of ecological challenges, highlighting the critical role that local communities play in the success of wildlife reintroduction initiatives.
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Transcript
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2:05This is the documentary from the BBC World Service. The impenetrable forest in northern Argentina is also known as the Forest of Spikes because most plants and trees here are covered in them. I'm standing right next to a tree that has spines like rhino horns protruding from its trunk Amongst the spikes and spines, jaguars used to roam But thanks to hunting and deforestation, the population was practically extinct Until last month, a very exciting creature was spotted on the banks of the muddy river that surrounds this forest A jaguar cub I'm Charlotte Pritchard, and for this week's assignment on the BBC World Service I've come here to find out who made that possible and what the future is for this new jaguar family.
3:04My colleague Macarena Gagliardi and I are going to make our way to the dusty banks of the River Bermejo. We're going to spend two days navigating this river because it's the most likely place we will spot a jaguar. The river is important because jaguars are great swimmers. They roam via the water trying to find food and mates and can cover around a mile and a half a day swimming. Jaguars are the world's third largest cat after the tiger and the lion. Their orange, white and black skin is like a leopard's but with larger black spots. There's a strong sweet smell in the syrupy air. My guide Melina Ibanez, shortened to Meli, tells me it's coming from what they call the hairy tree because its leaves are like small hedgehogs.
3:55They smell amazing. The flowers are yellow and kind of look a bit like honeysuckle, but they smell like quince. The day we arrived was the first day of spring and it was already 45 degrees. Melina tells me that during the summer it gets to over 55. It's unbearable, she says. Penetrable means impenetrable because it's a very closed forest, so it's difficult to get in and to be here. But she really loves it. For her it's amazing. She wouldn't leave this place. She feels that maybe people coming from abroad may find it difficult, but not her. As my days in the impenetrable forest go on, I do indeed find it very difficult to be there.
4:45It's hot, dusty and uncomfortable. But Melina was born and raised here and is an expert on everything else that lives in the forest too. To get to school, she used to walk seven kilometres a day, which is how she learnt all about the wildlife. She said, I didn't care about anything except being barefoot and, you know, riding and running and jumping. Our other guide is Evaresto Santos Ortega.
5:18From Argentina's capital, Buenos Aires, we took a two-hour flight to the provincial town of Resistencia. Then there was an eight-hour drive, eventually on dirt tracks, to take us deep into the forest. OK, life jacket on. We can all swim. It's going to be a problem with life jackets on because it's so hot.
5:41We're doing it. We're getting onto that small little boat in a very, very muddy brown river. Very low, right? It is low. Definitely the banks are exposed. You can see kind of small hills of muddy, dusty, sandy banks. Thank you very much. Melly's given me a hand because it's also very slippy. Thank you. Gracias. You okay? Yeah. Thank you.
6:08Both Melina and Evaresto work for rewilding Argentina a non-profit foundation that is reintroducing the jaguars into this part of Argentina. The project has three aims. Grow the population of this top predator, get the local people to accept the idea of them roaming around again, and establish tourism to provide jobs. It became a national park open to the public in 2018.
6:40We've started the adventure And already, what are those big black birds in the distance to our left? They were black vultures circling and swooping into the water This looks like a chocolate river It's deeply, deeply brown kind of reddy brown like it's been mixed with clay and chocolate.
7:07What are we going to see hopefully here, Melly? She's crossing both her fingers on both hands.
7:20Along this river, Melina has seen tapirs, South America's largest land animal. Caimans, like small crocodiles, giant anteaters, wild boars and deers. She's never seen a jaguar, though.
7:37And that's because she's 27 years old. Jaguars have been extinct here for at least three decades. She grew up knowing that there was no chance of seeing one in her forest. We pass black eagles, always in pairs, perched on naked branches jutting out from the water. Occasional caimans slide into the river. They're sunbathing disturbed by our noise. Everest is just tying up the boat on a beautiful branch. Actually, the tree's fallen into the river so that we can stop the motor and just have a quick chat.
8:12So just tell me what you were saying about the trees in this forest. So basically, this spiky forest has very good wood. It takes a long time to grow, but it's very resistant and there is a great demand for it, both for furniture and construction. And also nowadays there is some international demand for this type of food because it's really good. Outside this national park is one of the most deforested areas in the world, which is why the jaguars and other animals here gradually died out. As we drove here from the provincial capital, I saw huge lorries transporting stacks of logs to a nearby river port.
8:55And then we saw factories with chimneys pumping smoke into the sky. They were extracting tannins from the wood for the food, pharmaceutical or leather industries. What was most obvious was the flatness. Field after field of crops or bare land where there used to be trees. Trees essential for the health of the planet.
9:17We've arrived.
9:24so after about three and a half hours on the water getting stuck oh my gosh i kind of lost count how many times we've got stuck in the shallow water we've arrived on the riverbank where we are camping for the night and on the riverbanks there are absolutely heaps of tracks footprints going down to the river obviously animals have come out of the forest behind us and are going into the water or going down to the water's bank. So we're just walking down the crunchy, powdery mud. This one? So that's the wild boar, the peccary. A big pig's trotter. This one, she's pointing with her toenails, all of us on very muddy feet.
10:06What's this one? So a forest cat. Oh right, so they're orange and black. This is quite an amazing way to be spending a sunset evening. The sky has gone all pink and dappled with blue clouds as well. Go in. Yeah. Mosquito spray because we're being attacked by mosquitoes. Sorry. Yeah, it's an invasion right now. I have never seen swarms like it. Suddenly the sun went down and as I was looking at Mellie, there was just a swarm of black over her head. I knew that this forest was for the hardy, but perhaps I'm not as hardy as I thought. We had to pause the interview because we were all just being attacked by them.
10:49Though we didn't see any jaguar footprints, as it gets dark, I start to feel a little nervous about camping here. I wonder how locals must feel knowing that this foundation is trying to get more big cats to also live in this forest.
11:04For many people in the community, it's hard and difficult, and she understands why, because they are brought up with the idea that the jaguar is a bad animal, will come to your house and eat you and eat your animals. You need to hunt it. So many locals are distrustful. The foundation has a special team to try and change these generation-old beliefs. They try to get locals on board with saving the jaguars by giving them jobs in tourism. Because tourists should bring more money than hunting or logging would. And the hope is that people will want to protect the animals that attract the tourists here in the first place.
11:43Melina has now studied to be a guide. Her family's lives have changed a lot since rewilding knocked on their door that day. Her grandfather used to have a ranch of algarrobo. And algarrobo are the carob tree here, which are very prized for their wood. And basically the ranch was left as kind of beach because it was totally clean. He locked all the algarrobos to be sold. Is your dad convinced? Has this project managed to convince him as well? Nowadays, her parents have a touristic business. Her mother sells artisanal goods, so they are not deforesting.
12:27Even though I'm incredibly excited to be camping in the middle of nowhere, with mosquitoes flying into my ear, I have to admit that I do feel a tiny bit jumpy at any sort of noise or any sort of glint in the bushes. I just saw a tiny little firefly. We're camping right in the middle of Jaguar territory. Buenas noches. Buenas noches. Buenas noches. Despite all my guide's reassurances, I didn't sleep a wink that night.
13:07I've swapped my usual alarm clock for that In the morning on my way into the bushes I spot larger cat footprints just outside my tent Evaresto is casual when I call him over Oh, they're from a puma Perhaps it wasn't a firefly
13:28We're now on our way to rewilding's scientific station to see how and where they actually reintroduce the jaguars Evaresto radios his colleagues to let them know we're setting off and I ask if he can find out if they know where the wild jaguars are today just to up our chances of seeing them on this next boat journey
13:49He cannot, because if that information goes through the walkie-talkie, the radio, you know, it's open, then it's public information, and other people like hunters or people who do not want the jaguar here may get the tip, and that is exposing the animal to dangers.
14:14Despite rewilding's best efforts, hunting is still a problem here. A few days ago, Evaresto saw a boat of men who were pretending to be fishermen, but had huge guns. An hour or so into our journey, we see another boat, and he views them suspiciously.
14:33Do you see lots of people like this, or lots of hunters? he does see lots of fishermen ok so actually Everest has seen hunters as well before in the night they go down the river using really really strong lights to try and catch the eyes of the animals that are on the beaches on the river banks in order to hunt them ok so it was very common that children here would hunt lizards because then they could sell their skins and actually they used to buy things that they needed for school like exercise books or pencils and that's actually how the children were making money around here. So he's saying that this is the poorest region in Argentina.
15:20So actually the hunters come here to try and make a living. Sometimes they do sell the skins but actually it's mainly just to eat and survive. There's very little work here. That's why they find solutions from what they have, and what they have is the forest. Four hours later, we arrive at our next stop, rewilding Argentina's scientific station, which is a tent where the temperature must have been over 50 degrees.
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17:51there i meet the self-named jaguar girls they're the group of young women who are reintroducing this forest's top predator.
18:02Deborah Abregu starts by showing me on her laptop how they monitor the wild jaguars they have here. They all have collars whose radars can be picked up about three times a day and then pinpointed on a map.
18:18Wow, so he was very close. So that's very close. So she's just pointing and it's really close. It's about 30 metres away. Wow. Yes. We might have some luck. We might see. The women have also set up hidden cameras across the forest, which are motion activated, so whenever an animal walks past, they start recording. On the side of the tent opposite us, there's a large television divided into nine sections. This is where they watch what their hidden cameras have sent back to them. Now I feel like I'm really in a wildlife documentary. I can imagine, so you have a lot of fun watching these cameras.
18:57Agostina Donini is the biologist leading the reintroduction of the jaguars. She used to be a vet looking after pets in central Argentina, but arrived here nearly two years ago.
19:11This project all started in 2019 when a lone male jaguar was spotted swimming down the Bermejo River. Locals named him Caramta, which means the one who cannot be destroyed in the indigenous language. He was the first jaguar spotted here for 35 years. Agostina explains that he was looking for a mate and rewilding Argentina saw an opportunity. In another project further south, they'd rescued a female jaguar called Tania from a zoo. They transported her here and made her a hectare large enclosure with its own private oxbow lake.
19:52They put a kind of trap, but a nice one, to attract him and put him inside the same cage of Tania. She was receptive, she was on heat. They made the act. Karim Tal was thrilled to find Tanya, and she gave birth to twins three months later, a girl and a boy. Así que son muy buenas noticias. Yes, a huge, huge excitement. Both the scientists' faces were full of smiles. They couldn't believe this first step had worked. Because she spent so long in a zoo, Tanya can never be released. But the jaguar girls helped her raise her babies without human contact, so that one day they would be ready to live fully in the wild.
20:38They need to confuse them and feed them in a way they wouldn't associate the human smell or their presence with a potential animal to eat and rely on the humans to actually bring them food. And also they need to learn how to hunt and be the predators they are. So they need to put these other life animals, birds, etc. in a way they do not associate it with the humans. Meanwhile, two other wild males arrived swimming down the river. Tammy Book in 2022 and then Te Book in 2024. The scientists think they swam from the Bolivian cloud forest several hundred miles away, attracted by the females that were now in the impenetrable forest.
21:25She explained that it's a mix of the smell and the roaring, the noise they do. But obviously they need to come a long way through the river and when they are near these areas they will start smelling or listening and approaching them. When the women are in heat, their roars change to a higher pitched panting sound and it's believed that this is how males know where they are. This is a normal male roar they played me that the hidden cameras had picked up.
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22:01And this is the female roaring when she's in heat.
22:16So it's a distinctive noise. It's different from the male roaring, isn't it? So basically it's a very specific noise and roar and it has happened to her that being inside those cages, special cages and having a female doing that noise and then started listening a male replying, you know, from kilometres away. And also she said that a human can listen to that noise around four kilometres away so imagine probably the animal much more. One of the twins born was a girl called Nala. Once they'd assessed her hunting skills and decided she was ready to be freed, they made sure she could leave the enclosure.
22:56The forest needed females, and she was the first female jaguar to be in the wild in this forest for three decades. Then a few months later, last October, one of the hidden cameras recorded Nala with one of the wild males, Tebuk, the one who arrived in the forest at a similar time she was freed. Usually jaguars are solitary, but in this video... And they're together and she's lying on the ground, kind of rolling around. And he's going to lie down as well. He's kind of rolling over like they're playing.
23:31Oh, right, so he's copying her. So she lay down and so therefore he does as well. All right, and now she's walking and then he follows her. He's got one thing on his mind. Okay, and look, she's rolling over. Yeah, and they are very much like the cats that we have at our homes. They're rolling.
23:54They were definitely caught in the act. It was a stroke of luck. The hidden cameras had caught these wild animals doing what they needed to do. After this camera action, Nala started behaving differently. Then last month, Nala and a baby were seen by a guide who was on his way back from giving tourists a river tour like the one we just finished. After 30 minutes in that sweltering tent we'd all looked like we'd showered. My sweat was dripping down onto my microphone and I felt like I was going to faint. So we got into the delightfully air-conditioned car to go and visit one of the jaguars that will never be freed.
24:31Porra, meaning beautiful one, has a very important role for this project. He lives here so the scientists can show communities the creatures they're reintroducing.
24:44It was late afternoon as we walked down a dusty track towards his enclosure. Agostina was holding a blue bucket filled with raw donkey meat for his dinner, and she explained that it's better to show people a jaguar in the flesh rather than seeing a photo. Rewilding Argentina invites all the neighbours to see Porra and organises school trips to teach them about the project. Oh wow, here he comes, prowling towards us at a glacial speed. Wow, it's absolutely beautiful Breathtakingly beautiful His tail's high in the air And his paws are huge You can hear the noise on the path He's tired and panting in the heat He's got long white whiskers And absolutely enormous bottom incisors As his tongue pants as he circles his donkey dinner Despite those huge teeth I definitely felt less scared of these animals once I'd seen Porra in the flesh.
25:46He was so regal, but also tranquil. At the noise of a bucket mistakenly crashing to the ground, he jumped out of his skin and fell like a slapstick cartoon cat, proving to me that he was definitely more scared of anything we could do. We had to speak quietly for my next set of questions so as not to disturb Porra's meal too much. Why is it important, Agus, to reintroduce the jaguar into this forest? The importance of reintroducing the jaguar is because he's the top predator of the ecosystem, because he will keep in balance the other species, hunting not only mammals, but also some fish. All right, now he's just going to go up onto his platform, so to kind of imitate a tree in the wild, they would eat up a tree because then they're away from other creatures, other competition for their food.
26:40Turn up the microphone because in the distance we can hear some roaring.
26:47So they start to roar and talk to each other as the sun goes down, which it just is at the moment. It's quite nice, our interview being interrupted by Jaguar roaring. That's correct. Exactly. That's the only one that's allowed to interrupt us. Agostina said it was one of the males waiting to be liberated in the future. He was about 500 metres away, but frustratingly it was too far for my microphone to pick up the sound. Agostina continued to explain why having jaguars back in these forests is important to the ecosystem. You cannot measure it immediately, but usually jaguars will eat weak animals or elderly animals or ill animals, which helps to improve that species.
27:31So in the long term you will see that those other species have better genes, you know, stronger animals, etc. Rewilding Argentina's strategy is certainly interventionist. They moved the original female jaguar Tania and another called Caramba, who was freed last year, from another project further south in Argentina. And she said like well National Park it's a kind of bubble right but the jaguar territory is all around the north of Argentina so they need to increase this project so as to let these jaguars communities move freely. And because of deforestation their routes between successful breeding programs are risky or non-existent.
28:16There's no way other than the river for the jaguars to move around so the scientists are helping for now. Also, this is a matter of making sure their populations are healthy and their interbreeding doesn't happen. And also she was explaining that so as also to start moving their DNA, not keep it endogamic, you know, among always the same few animals and family. Yes, it's basically to interbreed different types of DNA from different jaguar populations. Correct. It's important to improve the species that they get mixed, you know, these animals they have in these gigantic enclosures to mix with the wild animals, because those wild animals basically have all the information about immunity, how to hunt, you know, all the things they need to know to survive into the wild.
29:10On the way back to the car, we see some fresh, huge footprints. Whoa! Yes, that's Karamta, Agustina confirms. They're the biggest footprints because he's the biggest jaguar in Argentina. He was 103 kilograms when they last weighed him. He likes to prowl around this area at sunset. He's been really close to us. She also points out a tree with deep claw marks scratched into its bark. All of those working for rewilding are hopeful. They're going to free another female, acai, in October, and then the male who was roaring during our interview shortly afterwards. A few weeks ago, their cameras also caught Karim Tarr having sex with another wild female.
29:56So they're watching to see if another baby arrives soon. In the future, it's going to work properly and these jaguars will be able to survive without the project. It was another two days to get home. And once I'm back in Buenos Aires, I receive a voice note from our guide, Melina. Between her giggles and the wind, I just hear her repeating, I saw a jaguar swimming across the river. It's her first sighting of her forest's top predator in the wild. I grew up knowing they weren't in my home, never dreaming of seeing one, she gasps. But what a luxury. What luck. They're here now.
30:41I'm Charlotte Pritchard. I was in the Impenetrable Forest with my producer and translator, Macarena Gagliardi. the programme was mixed by Duncan Hannant and the editor is Penny Murphy
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After decades of extinction, wild jaguars are once again roaming in Northern Argentina. It has been at least thirty five years since a wild jaguar cub was spotted in this dry and dusty part of Argentina. But in August 2025, a baby appeared on the chocolatey-brown banks of the River Bermejo. Its existence was a great success for the team from Rewilding Argentina, a non-profit foundation that started reintroducing these magnificent beasts here in 2019. But it has not been easy: hunting is still a problem and the organisation has had to get the locals on board with sharing their home with big cats. Charlotte Pritchard travels to 'The Impenetrable Forest' to find out how the birth of this baby became possible.
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