In short
BBC World Service investigates Kenya’s “manosphere” and masculinity influencer Andrew Kibbe’s influence on young men, including misogynistic claims, online rage-bait, and real-world consequences.
Guest backgrounds
Andrew Kibbe, former radio breakfast host turned content creator; suspended from YouTube in 2023 for misogynistic content; runs accounts on X/Instagram/TikTok and has launched a crypto coin. Interviewees include Kenyan students Ryan, Elvira, and Vera, plus academic Awino Oketch (professor of gender, sexuality and security studies). Also mentioned: influencer Amarex (“reproductive health specialist,” 2M+ followers on X).
Key claims
Kibbe frames himself as “Jesus” to followers; teaches “no validation,” “nobody’s going to save us,” and “a woman is never your friend.” He argues women distract men, calls women “gold diggers,” and promotes “simp” as a negative label. Oketch argues the content exploits low self-esteem, unemployment, and weak gender-equality education, and links misogynistic rhetoric to violence.
Notable examples
Kibbe’s “20th Commandment” subtitle; university and nightclub book-tour scenes; “donate via M-Pesa” appeals; students reporting dating restrictions and reduced female leadership; discussion of femicide and “words matter.”
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOArrival in Kenya
0:30 to 1:16
The hosts meet Andrew Kibbe, a masculinity influencer in Kenya.
“Follow Smart Travel on your favourite podcast app.”
Andrew Kibbe's Influence
1:16 to 2:20
Discussion on Kibbe's popularity and the themes he promotes.
“Kibbe jumped out of the car and immediately, like, all these guys just swamped him.”
Young Men's Perspectives
2:20 to 3:50
Interviews with young men expressing their admiration for Kibbe.
“Hashtag Andrew Keebe has had 530 million views on TikTok alone.”
Kibbe's Self-Description
3:50 to 5:03
Kibbe describes himself and his views on masculinity.
“But for now, back in the quiet bar hotel, I want to know from Andrew Kibay how he'd describe himself to people outside Kenya who don't know him.”
Kibbe's Rise to Fame
5:03 to 6:15
Exploring Kibbe's background and the growth of his platform.
“Andrew Kibbe isn't the only voice in the Kenyan manosphere.”
Controversial Statements
6:15 to 7:42
Kibbe discusses his controversial views on women and relationships.
“Andrew Kibbe is on X, Instagram and TikTok.”
Kibbe's Book and Tour
7:42 to 8:24
Details about Kibbe's book and his promotional tour.
“Why does it have to be worshipped one way or the other?”
Nightclub Event
8:24 to 9:45
Kibbe's experience and interactions during a nightclub event.
“The book's subtitle is A Journey Into Manhood, and he told us he'd written it because men today are lost.”
Student Engagement
9:45 to 11:51
Kibbe engages with students at a university and their reactions.
“It's midnight when Kibay and his team finally arrive.”
Female Students' Perspectives
11:51 to 14:01
Female students share their objections to Kibbe's influence.
“We tried reaching our girls or the women, but most of them were not interested.”
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Critiques of Kibe's Influence on Young Men
14:01 to 15:49
Exploring the negative impacts of Kibe's teachings on young men's perceptions of women.
“Wherever you find him, he is carrying a laptop and that book.”
Critiques of Kibe's Influence on Young Men
16:22 to 16:58
Exploring the negative impacts of Kibe's teachings on young men's perceptions of women.
Critiques of Kibe's Influence on Young Men
17:02 to 17:39
Exploring the negative impacts of Kibe's teachings on young men's perceptions of women.
“Ever Google a money question and end up 12 tabs deep with 12 different answers?”
Ryan's Journey into the Manosphere
17:39 to 21:48
Ryan shares his experiences and insights about masculinity influenced by Andrew Kibe.
“He's tall and assured, in his early 20s, a soft-spoken young man.”
The Role of Societal Expectations
21:48 to 25:39
Awino Oketch discusses how societal and educational systems influence young men's beliefs.
“Why are you sitting with a woman telling her your problems?”
The Economic Incentive Behind Kibe's Rhetoric
25:39 to 27:53
Analyzing how economic conditions and misogynistic narratives affect young men's attitudes.
“We are ending up with a society of young men who are being fed the idea that the only way to be a man is to be violent, whether that is through sexual violence, verbal violence, how you treat women.”
Introduction to Andrew Keebay's Tour
28:00 to 28:37
Learn about the dynamics between the interviewer and Andrew Keebay during his tour.
“Sometimes I want to buy sodas for everybody.”
Questioning Keebay's Philosophy
28:37 to 29:56
Explore Keebay's views on discipline, motivation, and his book's significance.
“We've messaged them, but we don't really know where they are at the moment.”
Confronting Misogynistic Remarks
29:56 to 31:20
Delve into a discussion on Keebay's approach to women and the implications of his words.
“If anybody's really my fan, the only thing I tell them is, make sure you send me M-Pesa.”
Tension and Discontent in the Interview
31:20 to 32:12
Witness the escalating tension as the interviewer challenges Keebay's perspectives.
“He's the poorest and with the least knowledge.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Jacqui Wakefield:This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK.
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1:12Jacqui Wakefield:We've just stepped outside of the car. It's right outside our hotel. Kibbe jumped out of the car and immediately, like, all these guys just swamped him. I've got no idea if they know he was coming, but they're super excited to see he's here. We're in Western Kenya with the masculinity influencer, former radio host turned content creator, Andrew Kibbe. He's on a book tour and the word's out, he's in town.
1:47Jacqui Wakefield:Welcome to the Kenyan Manosphere, where influencers like Andrew Kibbe are booming, tripling their followers in just a few years. Good morning, you puny. It's the same talking points, the same slang, the same misogyny and anti-feminist views. I don't feel like he's a simp. He shows us that he's a simp. Which you hear in the global manosphere from the likes of Andrew Tate. Imagine God coming down on Earth. Is he simping? And many young Kenyan men are devouring it. Your husband has died. Otherwise, why are you a single mom? Hashtag Andrew Keebe has had 530 million views on TikTok alone.
2:38Jacqui Wakefield:I've come to a club in a small town in Western Kenya to see what young people here think of him. Can you tell me what you like about Kibe? What does he mean to you? Personally, I love our Kibe brand, the branding. I've been raised by a single mum, So most of my teachings, I get them from Andrew Kibbe's podcast. From masculinity to growth to personal development, he teaches me a lot. It reminds us men that never to seek validation from people. And lastly, that nobody's going to save us. We need to work hard, be on time, be self-disciplined and achieve whatever we want as men. So do you think he fills a bit of a father role?
3:26Yeah, it's like a father role to me, giving advice, knowing who I am. In fact, there's a book that he released called 20th Commandment. Right now, I'm in the process of reading it. And what does it say?
3:39Jacqui Wakefield:Can you explain it? It's saying that a woman is never your friend. Okay. Yeah, a woman is never your friend. It's quite a claim, and one we'll come back to later. But for now, back in the quiet bar hotel, I want to know from Andrew Kibay how he'd describe himself to people outside Kenya who don't know him.
4:20black. Yeah, so watch my content. I'm Jesus to you. You see, my coffee's here. Very nice. Yeah, very nice. Thank you, my lady. Bring it straight.
4:34Jacqui Wakefield:I'm Jackie Wakefield, a BBC global disinformation reporter, and we're going inside the Kenyan Manosphere for the documentary from the BBC World Service. Heartbreak is part of life. Let's stop lying to each other. You're going to be left and you're going to leave. Expect yourself my friend. Respect yourself. Treat yourself well. Eat that steak if you must. Why not become a genius and say, hey, listen, it doesn't matter how much tax they charge me. Bro, I'm always going to win. I'm a winner. That's who I am. Andrew Kibbe isn't the only voice in the Kenyan manosphere. Another influencer, Amarex, who calls himself a reproductive health specialist, has over 2 million followers on his main platform, X.
5:16Jacqui Wakefield:But Kibbe is one of the loudest. And one of the most successful. Please donate, he tells his fans in Swahili. I'm going to spend the money you give on hookers and alcohol.
5:43Jacqui Wakefield:A failed pasta, Andrew Kibay began by hosting a popular radio breakfast show. As a woman, you need to respect your man to a point where... Later, he turned to being a content creator. It was just after the COVID pandemic, and with his message of male empowerment... I salute you, gents, with all the respect you deserve. ...he quickly attracted a dedicated audience of young men. My young man, please do not think that you're less than you really are. You are a lot more. It doesn't matter what the society has said. May have been written off many times. And he has been written off before. In 2023, he was suspended from YouTube.
6:18Jacqui Wakefield:It's believed for misogynistic content. Women lie all the time. I have put all of them in one category. Women are going to lie to their kids. He's still thriving. Andrew Kibbe is on X, Instagram and TikTok. And he's even launched his own crypto coin. So it's something to look forward to, right? I first met Andrew Keebe last year in 2025 in Nairobi. I was with my BBC colleague Anita Nkonge. Hello. Hi, welcome. Hi. Hello. I'm Jackie Wakefield. Nice to meet you. Hi, Anita. We're here? Yes. That's beautiful. And full disclosure, Keebe and I didn't immediately hit it off. is the woke woman trying to shut down the man with a word she cannot even explain what do you mean misogyny is not hate of women that's what the word means what is it it's hate of women yeah let's look it up i have never even looked it up misogyny misogynist a person who dislikes despises or is strongly prejudiced against women who in the world is like that We've all been born by women.
7:35Why would we hate women? No man hates a woman. We love you. We are like gods to you. Worship us.
7:43Jacqui Wakefield:Why not just respect both ways? Why does it have to be worshipped one way or the other? How do I respect somebody I want to sleep with? The word respect is useless to a woman. I shouldn't respect you. I mean, when I look at you, you're a sexual being. Anita asks the next question. I thought it was pretty straightforward. What's one thing you'd want the world to know about you and what you stand for? I do not believe BBC. Yeah, BBC are full of ****. Yeah. Are you going to leave the BBC party?
8:19Jacqui Wakefield:A little while after that interview, Kibe invited us to come along on the book tour. The book's subtitle is A Journey Into Manhood, and he told us he'd written it because men today are lost.
8:39Jacqui Wakefield:Our first stop is that evening in a nightclub in the small fishing town of Bondo.
8:49Jacqui Wakefield:We've arrived at the club where Kibay's performing. It's a pretty big venue. There's a large stage, VIP areas, stripper poles next to the stage. There's probably room for about a thousand people here. So we'll see. Keebe's fans are eagerly waiting too. How did you come across Andrew Keebe? I came across Andrew Keebe through TikTok. At some point he's analysing qualities. At some point he's talking about masculinity. He's encouraging the Gen Z revolution. What's the specific bits that Hugh really connects with? He was talking about how you must not be a simp. You know simp? Simp is a word widely used in the global manosphere.
9:32Jacqui Wakefield:It means a man who's seen as being too kind or supportive or maybe deferential to women. It's not a compliment. People are pleased. You are very tender in your interaction with the ladies. You want to be pleasing them. It's midnight when Kibay and his team finally arrive. Kibay's wearing his signature red cap with his name on it and sunglasses. He and his team chat for a while. Then we try to grab a word. How's the book two have been going? Second best-selling book in this category last year. What's the plan to know? So we'll be here like one hour or two and then go look for women. In case you didn't hear that, I asked what the plan was.
10:18Jacqui Wakefield:He said we'll be here an hour or two, then go look for women. Young men come up to get their books signed. And a few women too. We need to put a baby inside this womb, Kibe says to a woman who sits down beside him. I have to be ready, she says. Why? You are born ready. You are born with **** and a womb.
10:46Jacqui Wakefield:Finally, Kibe takes to the stage. Thank you for inviting us to Bondo. Let me not waste your time. Go back to doing what we're doing, which is enjoying ourselves. Having sex later is a must, he says in Swahili. Then... Have a wonderful night. Peace. And almost as quickly as he arrived, Andrew Kibe is gone. It's the same the next day at the university in Bondo. There's an excited energy in the air as students gather to wait for him. They're mostly aged between 18 and 21. I notice one student we'd met at the nightclub. He tells me his name is Ryan. How long have you guys been waiting for Kiba here?
11:31Approximately for the last three hours we've been here. But we optimistic that in the next five minutes we'll be here.
11:37Jacqui Wakefield:And what's the vibe for today? Is Kiba going to speak? Yeah, for sure. He's going to give a speech. He's going to engage with the students. They're going to have a very fruitful and healthy discussion. There's mostly men. Are any women coming? You know, being that Kibe is much masculine, we were just able to reach the men. We tried reaching our girls or the women, but most of them were not interested.
12:04Jacqui Wakefield:When he does finally arrive, the male students swarm Kibe's van. S.G., gentlemen, gentlemen. S.G., be at your best behaviour. Have you guys all read the book? Kibe asks them if they've read the book. Rule number one is wake the f*** up. He chats, signs some books, plays some pool with them. We have 10 minutes. He stays 25 minutes and then he's gone. I arranged to meet up with Ryan later. I want to understand more about how influencers like Andrew Kibe attract young men like Ryan and why they look up to him. But first, I want to hear from the female students. My name is Elvira. I'm a second-year student in this University of Jaramo-Gyoginga-Odinga, University of Science and Technology, pursuing bachelor's degree in computer security and forensics.
12:59Jacqui Wakefield:I've heard some of the female students objected to Kipe's visit. Is that true? It created a lot of conversations in our institution. Some women in the university, they do disagree with Kibe because it feels disrespectful to them. His content, maybe others simply see it as a form of entertainment or social commentary. Yeah, because it's somehow disrespectful to them. I asked her what she thought. I totally disagree with key-based influence or content. It's not encouraging at all. It affects some of my fellow students, like one of my classmates. This boy, he has been influenced by key-based content.
13:45He can't socialise with any lady in our class. I feel like he has some hatred. I don't know whether I can say it's hatred or that mentality that he can't maybe associate with this other gender. He even has bought Kibe's books.
14:03Jacqui Wakefield:Wherever you find him, he is carrying a laptop and that book. Vera says it's not easy to be friends with boys who follow Kibe. They like criticising women, so you can't tell them anything. They are not ready to listen to you. A fellow student called Joy agrees. I can say at some point it's getting worse. For those who follow IBE's teachings, they'll find them saying ladies are less capable, less deserving of the leadership positions. And that's really hurting us as ladies because we all believe that we are capable of everything. In recent student elections, Joy says that female students standing had to have a male student standing with them or they wouldn't get elected.
14:54Jacqui Wakefield:I asked her if she's seen Andrew Keebe's content.
15:24He's a kind of person who will preach of water, but behind the scenes he drinks wine. There's some scenarios where he's maybe in the bars. He wants the ladies to entertain him. He likes ladies the most.
15:43Jacqui Wakefield:That's something we'll put to Andrew Keebe next time we meet. You're listening to the documentary from the BBC World Service.
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17:39Jacqui Wakefield:Now it's time to talk to Ryan. He's tall and assured, in his early 20s, a soft-spoken young man. Can you tell us how you first discovered Andrew Keebe? I first discovered Andrew Keebe when I was 18 years old. My father died 10 years ago and I was in a dilemma, in a dilemma of being masculinity or just remaining just a boy. You know, there's a certain role that a father plays in the family, of giving his sons or daughters certain skills, advice, and maybe physical training. So I liked all these. What advice specifically do you follow? Kibe states that women are just about to distract us in your journey to greatness as a man.
18:30Jacqui Wakefield:Do you agree with that? Of course, I totally agree. Why are they distracting? You know why most of our boys or men in the university are getting stressed, you know, is because of the pressure they receive from their girlfriend. Is this something you've been told or is this something that you've personally seen? It is something that I have passed through. Ryan dated someone in his first year at university. We were doing the same course. It was peaceful, you know. It was very nice. But then I realised that this woman was cheating on me with a man who was doing gold mining near our university. Were you heartbroken?
19:09Of course I was heartbroken. I remember I went to my mum, opened to her up, but again she did nothing because she was a woman. You see, if I had a father, I could go to my father and tell him, you know, Dad, this and this happened, what should I do? Then the father could give me a way forward.
19:28Jacqui Wakefield:Ryan says young people, like him, often come to the manosphere after a breakup. A lot of men or boys learn to be masculine after being heartbroken by women. So the moment they are going to start being masculine and practicing whatever Kibe and Amerik's teach, a number of them are going to be misogynistic. Yeah, they are going just to hate women for no reason. He was like that himself for a while. I was almost hating women for no reason. but because I could go back home and remember that of course I have my mum and I have my sister. I don't see any wrong in my sister, right? I don't see any wrong in my mum.
20:11Then why should I hate other women? So I said that I'm only going to practice the masculinity part and put the boundaries.
20:19Jacqui Wakefield:But as Ryan and I talk, I can still hear the messages of the manosphere. How to tell if she's a gold digger? They are all gold diggers. They are all, including your mother. All they want is money na de ting, money na de ting. That's all they want. A woman who is 18 to 25 years is in her prime. I can say that she's in a market. She has got choices. Either the coursemate or babas. Babas means sugar daddy. Lecturer or big business people. I know where women need to be placed in society. Where is that? Dating babies and raising those babies. You know, in Kenya, the moment you're going to tell a lady, I, or hello, or excuse, you are not my type, that is going to be the response from her.
21:08And most men, being that they are stressed or depressed, what is going to be the next move? A slap. A slap to the chicks, right?
21:17Jacqui Wakefield:So they may be quite rude. but does that deserve physical violence? In our Kenyan society and the current boys, to them it deserves. Yeah, to them it deserves.
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21:34Jacqui Wakefield:Ryan agrees to share his TikTok data with us. Scrolling through, we can see the algorithm serving the same content again and again. Catholic TikToks, Kenyan dance trends, relationship advice, hustle tips and Kibe videos. Why are you sitting with a woman telling her your problems? You are a thick man. Ryan regularly searched self-improvement, success, also masculinity tips, specifically for boys without a father, which gave him Kibe videos. Teach them the best way. Don't teach them this weakness of their mothers. Because imagine a man who has the mind of his mother.
22:16Jacqui Wakefield:Hi, how are you? Hi. To help me understand why messages like this are gaining so much traction among young men like Ryan, and why the Kenyan manosphere is growing so fast, we've asked Kenyan academic Awino Oketch into the BBC studio. Nice to meet you. I'm Jackie. Awino. Awino is a professor specialising in gender, sexuality and security studies. Why is it that equality between men and women is such a blind spot for this group? because while we have done work to improve access for girls, equal access into schools, what we have not successfully done is embedded gender equality education into how we think in the schools, right, as to why gender equality is important.
23:00And if that is not happening in the education system, it's not happening in the home, it's not happening in the church, it's not happening in the spaces in which these people are socialised, And what they're hearing as part of their socialization is talk from the manosphere. What are they tapping into? They're tapping into young men who have low self-esteem for a range of reasons. They're tapping into young men and boys with real mental health challenges. They're tapping into groups of men and boys where socioeconomic conditions are difficult. So unemployment rates are high. People do not have the resources to be able to live a meaningful life.
23:43So rather than the absence of a state that provides you with good, proper, livable conditions, it is women who are the problem. And those vulnerabilities are the same across the globe. They just look different in different contexts.
23:58Jacqui Wakefield:And what do you think is it about Andrew Kibbe in particular? How would you categorise his influence? He does have a significant group of men who think he says things that are sensible and they believe in. I think that he has found the ability to feed into ongoing insecurities in the society. And let me give a very specific example to land this. When you have a country like Kenya where there's significant unemployment rates for young men, and you have young women in that society who are being killed for dating older men, what men like Kibe whip up is this idea that those young women are dying because they're chasing older men because of financial wealth.
24:50These young men, on the other hand, don't have that financial capability. And this is the reason why these women do not like them. Now, it is interesting as well that a sub-narrative that a lot of the manosphere also lifts up in this dynamic is around how to build your economic capacity, right? Because they argue that is the only thing women respect. So if you have a lot of money, then you're going to get these women and girls. But also economic stability or economic wealth gives you the capacity to exercise all kinds of control and violence because money speaks. So it feeds into the narrative that these young women who are being killed are dying because of their greed.
25:32And it feeds that misogynistic factory that is going on within the Kenyan context.
25:38Jacqui Wakefield:And what do you see as the main real world consequences of this content? We are ending up with a society of young men who are being fed the idea that the only way to be a man is to be violent, whether that is through sexual violence, verbal violence, how you treat women. that's a real world consequence in terms of the next generation of men in our society who will end up leading our countries and propagating these same ideas into the laws and policies of how our countries are governed. So do you think that rhetoric will correspond to trends in violence towards women? I absolutely believe that it corresponds to trends in relation to violence against women.
26:28It does. You cannot disconnect it here.
26:33Jacqui Wakefield:We've already heard in episode one about what the real life consequences of this rhetoric can be. And like in Mexico, Kenya has also seen a rise in the number of cases of femicide, women killed because they're women. It doesn't mean influencers are to blame, but words matter. And in the online world of the manosphere, outrage equals money. Kibe's rage bait is one reason why he does so well on social media, and that helps him to make money. When it comes to making money, it's easy. Asking for donations via a Kenyan money transfer app called Impesa. Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. And selling merch.
27:17T-shirts are available right now.
27:20Jacqui Wakefield:When we'd met in Nairobi last year, I'd asked Keebe how much money he made. Do you make a lot of money? Yeah, I do. Can you share how much? After some crazy woman killed my YouTube channel, I was making, what, probably$20 ,000,$30 ,000 a month, euros. But I'm down to like 10, so I'm doing poorly. We haven't been able to corroborate these numbers, But this is in a country where the average monthly salary is about$500. I remember a conversation I'd had with Kibe and a rapper he often works with. And the rapper referred to Kibe's followers, not as fans. Sometimes I want to buy sodas for everybody.
28:04Yeah, times, f*** you. Go kill yourself. Wow. Even for your fans? I don't have fans.
28:12Jacqui Wakefield:Yeah, well, how would you describe the guys today then? But as customers. We're super excited about you. We're customers. customers. Customers. Is that how you would put it? No, no. Those are his words. I don't mind. After four days following Andrew Keebay and his tour, it's time to talk to him again. We're on our way to Keebay's. This is kind of our chance to actually put to him all of the behaviours and contradictions that we've seen with him and his tour. There's no sign of Kibe or his team. We've messaged them, but we don't really know where they are at the moment. Hey, how are you? What's happening?
28:52We had just left to pick some breakfast for the team. Here we go.
28:59Jacqui Wakefield:Hey, hey. You guys all set up. Can I ask a few questions? The other questions you want to ask? Yeah, I've got questions. All right. But people come to you because they want discipline, they want motivation. You're a motivating figure for a lot of young men in Kenya. Do you think you're a disciplined person? I'm not here to try and be anyone's anything. OK? Some days I'm disciplined. I can be anything I want to be. I am a god. Today I can be the one giving life, tomorrow I'm the one who's taking it. I'm asking about whether you live the life that you tell your fans to live. No, I don't tell anybody to do anything.
29:39Jacqui Wakefield:But in your book, it's commandments. Like, these are the things that you follow. What did I tell you about the book? I told you I wrote the book for myself, right? Now, why you guys are buying the book is beyond me. It's crazy. Why would you buy the book? I don't tell anybody to buy the book. Kiba, you're on Twitter every day asking people to buy the book. No, even when I go into the bar, I don't tell people to buy the book. You do on social media. You're posting about it constantly. If anybody's really my fan, the only thing I tell them is, make sure you send me M-Pesa. You know what M-Pesa is?
30:08M-Pesa is mobile money. So an M-Pesa is better than you telling me you're my fan.
30:14Jacqui Wakefield:So you just want money from followers? No, I don't want anything. I just want, if you're going to communicate with me, make sure our communication is genuine. Do you think it's fun when you speak to women in the way that you speak to women? I don't speak to women. Yeah, I guess you don't. Because the other day at the uni, there was, you walked past a couple and you spoke to the young man asking if you could have a go with the young woman next to him, his girlfriend. Do you think that's an appropriate way to speak about women? I mean, you didn't even address her. No, I didn't speak about her. I spoke to him.
30:48I told him, hey, listen, because I know you in campus cannot hold on to that girl of yours. I know. So please make sure when you're done you holler at your dog. It was a joke, though. Everybody saw it as a joke. The only person who wasn't laughing was him.
31:07Jacqui Wakefield:So he didn't see it as a joke then? Yeah, but to hell with him. Who cares about him? That was just a lesson to teach these young boys. You don't know how bad things are here. The most disenfranchised person in this country is the young man who's in campus. He's the poorest and with the least knowledge. But how do you think it made her feel to just be spoken about like that in front of her? Women love to be adored. Is that adoring women? That's why you dress up in short skirts. You like men to drool at you. It's nature. It's not me deciding. But what you said wasn't, oh, you look good. You weren't speaking to her.
31:42Jacqui Wakefield:You weren't giving her a compliment. Do you think that was a respectful way to speak about her? It didn't matter at the time. At the time is what I wanted to say. You're asking me the wrong questions. I don't like your questions. You see, I wish you could take the camera and this guy ask me the questions because I would get better questions from there. You keep going into the wrong direction. So we're getting nothing here. All we're doing is just being combating. I think I'm done. Okay. Thank you.
32:25Jacqui Wakefield:You've been listening to the documentary from the BBC World Service. Manosphere Messiahs was presented by me, Jackie Wakefield. It was produced by Katie Ling. The executive producer was Louise Hidalgo. The editor was Rebecca Henschke. If you haven't already, don't forget to listen to episode one of our investigation, Manosphere Messiahs, Mexico, available now on BBC Sounds or wherever you get your podcasts.
From the publisher
It started in the West with influencers like Andrew Tate. Now the Manosphere has gone global, with copycats from Africa to Latin America attracting huge audiences and the cash to match. In this investigation, reporter Jacqui Wakefield explores the booming industry in Kenya, where social media algorithms are fuelling a growing gender divide. She meets one of the biggest Kenyan influencers, Andrew Kibe, and his devoted fans and asks, are women paying the price?
