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Podcast Notes: The Documentary Podcast - Episode: "No Justice, Just Kills"
Episode Overview On November 19, 2005, U.S. Marines killed 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha, Iraq, leading to a prolonged investigation into potential war crimes. Despite the lengthy inquiry, no Marine was imprisoned for the killings. This episode delves into the testimonies, forensic evidence, and the personal stories of survivors seeking justice.
Key Themes and Concepts
The Haditha Incident
- Date and Context: November 19, 2005, marked by a U.S. Marine response to a roadside bomb attack that killed one Marine.
- Casualties: 24 Iraqi civilians killed, including women and children.
- Investigation: Longest U.S. war crimes investigation from the Iraq War; concluded without convictions.
Survivor Testimonies
- Safa Yunus: The only survivor from her family, recounts the traumatic day.
- Khalid Jamal: Another survivor; seeks answers regarding the deaths of his family members.
- Personal Stories: The impact of the killings on survivors' lives, their quest for accountability, and the memory of lost loved ones.
War Crimes Investigation
- Evidence Collection: Includes never-before-seen footage, legal documents, and testimonies from Marines involved.
- Forensic Analysis: Expert Mike Maloney examines the crime scenes, providing insights into the circumstances of the killings.
- Contradictions in Marine Accounts: Multiple Marines provided different accounts of the incidents, leading to questions about the truth and accountability.
Legal Proceedings
- Charges and Trials: Initial charges against Marines were dropped amidst a complex legal battle.
- Immunity Deals: Some Marines received immunity, complicating the pursuit of justice.
- Plea Bargains: Frank Wutteridge, the squad leader, accepted a plea deal and avoided severe consequences.
Media Influence
- Public Outcry: The incident garnered media attention, influencing public perception and military investigations.
- Documentary Evidence: The episode highlights the role of documentary storytelling in revealing hidden truths about wartime actions.
Notable Quotes
- Khalid Jamal: "I want to know the truth. Was it a quick killing? What was the last thing they said?"
- Safa Yunus: "This man should have been imprisoned from the moment it happened."
Discussion Points
- Ethics of Warfare: Exploration of military conduct and accountability in conflict zones.
- Impact of War on Civilians: The long-term psychological and social effects on survivors of military operations.
- Justice and Accountability: The challenges faced in holding military personnel accountable for actions taken during combat.
Key Takeaways
- The Haditha incident remains a significant example of the complexities and moral ambiguities of modern warfare.
- Survivor stories emphasize the human cost of military actions and the persistent quest for justice.
- The podcast underscores the importance of documentary storytelling in addressing global issues and uncovering truths often overlooked by mainstream narratives.
Conclusion The episode "No Justice, Just Kills" serves as a poignant reminder of the devastating impact of war on civilian lives and the ongoing struggle for accountability in military justice systems. It calls for listeners to reflect on the broader implications of warfare and the narratives that emerge from such tragedies.
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Transcript
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1:07A warning before we start. This programme includes scenes that you might find upsetting.
1:17Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? On a winter's morning in Haditha, Iraq, a woman is watching a grainy video of herself. It's from 20 years ago. In it, Safa, a little girl, is surrounded by U.S. Marines who are questioning her. Would you please state your full name? And how old are you? 14 years, I think. I'm going to ask you some questions about November 19, 2005. What would happen that day?
2:00I was terrified. The incident had happened very recently. All the soldiers were there and I was just a child among them. I was so scared, but thank God I was able to remember and tell them what happened. God wanted me to survive so I could get out and talk about it. I was the only survivor out of my entire family. What happened that day changed Safa's life and her town forever. At 6 o 'clock, allegations that U.S. Marines massacred Iraqi civilians. Iraqis claim the Marines went on a rampage in the town of Haditha after one of their own men was killed in a roadside bomb attack. The Marines shot five men in a car and then went to four houses nearby, killing virtually everyone inside.
2:48The Haditha incident is under investigation. Obviously, the allegations are very troubling for our military, especially the Marine Corps.
3:01It doesn't feel as if it's been 20 years. It's as if it happened last year. I want the people who did this to be held accountable and to be punished by the law. And I still have questions. What really happened at Hadifa? And why did all the Marines involved walk free? I'm not going to say they're good kills, and I'm not going to say they were bad kills. They were just kills. This is No Justice, Just Kills, a BBC Eye investigation for the documentary for the BBC World Service. I'm Laura El-Gibeli.
3:42On November 19th, 2005, there was only one person with a camera in Haditha, the local wedding photographer. What he captured is very disturbing.
3:57At the morgue, rows of bodies are wrapped in black plastic, others in colourful blankets. In a house, a 13-year-old boy cries over the body of his father. It lies shoulder to shoulder with other dead members of his family.
4:16This is my dad, the boy yells. He was just a car salesman. He looks directly at the camera and pleads, put this on television. and on television it went, sparking a public outcry in the U.S. that led to a military investigation. The incident came under investigation after a human rights group released this graphic video, which appears to support the Iraqis' claim. Initially, the Marines reported 15 Iraqis were killed in a roadside bomb blast. We now know with certainty that none of the civilians were killed by the IED explosion. The 13-year-old boy in the video was Khaled. He's now an adult with two children of his own, but that day still haunts him.
5:03It was a sight I will never forget. I don't know how to describe the bodies to you. Honestly, it was like being in a horror film. I'm determined to expose this case however I can. Everyone should know about it. People should know the facts of what happened in Iraq. The basic facts are, a roadside bomb hit a U.S. Marine convoy, killing a soldier. In response, Marines shot five Iraqi men in a car and then went to four houses nearby, killing virtually everyone inside. One of those houses was Khaled's. When we meet on the banks of the Euphrates River, there's some children playing in the water nearby.
5:53They remind me of my childhood when I was their age. I used to come here to swim too. I came with my friends, my uncles, especially my uncle Marwan and my uncle Qahdan. They are beautiful memories. Khaled was an only child and the first grandchild in the family, so his uncles and his grandparents doted on him. My uncles were like brothers and friends, not uncles. They were very jokey with me. always teasing me. My uncle Marwan was the closest person to me. He treated me like a son. He knew things about me that even my mother wouldn't know. Maybe it's because of how much he loved me, but a lot of people tell me that I look like my uncle Marwan.
6:41I miss him very much. Khaled's uncle, Marwan, was an engineer who worked in a nearby town. Chesib was a traffic police officer. His uncle Kahtan was a border-controlled official. and his father, Jamel, owned a car dealership. They were a well-respected family in their neighborhood. But the Marines who entered their homes and shot them that day insisted that these men were armed insurgents. What bothers me the most is that my father, my uncles, and the other families, the children, the elderly, are in their graves, while Frank Wittrich and Justin Sherratt, they are in the U.S. living their lives.
7:22They are with their children. That is what bothers me the most. Frank Witteridge and Justin Sherritt are the two Marines who entered Khaled's house. After an investigation, they were charged by military prosecutors with the killings of his father and uncles. Two other Marines were charged with the other killings. It was clear to me that the Haditha massacre and the trial was going to be the most important war crime story in the United States in at least a generation. and possibly in Marine Corps history. This is Michael Epstein, an independent filmmaker. He knew he wanted to try and make a film about the court case, so he reached out to lawyers of the squad leader, Frank Wutteridge.
8:03What I did was I contacted Frank's lawyer and pitched my idea. I said, you know, I wanted to record and document sort of behind the scenes of his defense of Staff Sergeant Frank Wutteridge. And he looked at me very calmly, very nicely, and said, no, if the government found out that I was recording private conversations between Frank Witterich and his lawyers, they would subpoena my footage. And the risk was too great. And I thought about it and I just said, well, what if you hired me? You know, what if instead of being an independent filmmaker, I was a member of the defense team and everything that I recorded was effectively your property?
8:55Amazingly, Wittrich's lawyer agreed. The deal was that Epstein would hand over all of his footage to the defense team. And only after the case was finished would they give it back to him to make his film. The agreement also granted him access to masses of documents on the case. About 12 ,000 pages of discovery from the government. All the NCIS documents, all of the photographs, everything. And all of it unredacted. All of it declassified. Along with Epstein's footage, we've now got access to these documents, many of which have never been made public before. It's a lot of material. In the end, I was filming for about 10, 12 years or so, and I probably have about 150 hours of footage.
9:45So you obviously spent a lot of time with Frank. What were your impressions of him when you first met him? Frank just struck me as a very quiet, gentle kid. He doesn't present the way you think of a Marine. Big, burly, loud, a warrior, as it were. Michael Epstein interviewed Frank Witterich multiple times over the course of the Haditha case. In one of his early interviews, back in 2006, he recalls taking over a squad of Marines when still in his 20s, his first time in combat. They put me in first squad as a first squad leader. You know, I was a little bit intimidated. You know, I didn't know how the Marines there that I was going to be in charge of, how they would take me, you know, because they're going to see me as, what does this guy know?
10:35He's never been to combat. By the time it was ready for us to deploy, I developed a very good relationship with them. We had a tight squad. The Marines and my squad were good. We're very good. November 19th was the first big incident, and it really was the only big incident for our company. I was a senior guy there on the ground that day. I made the best decisions that I could. I did nothing intentionally illegal, and neither did the other Marines. You know, there's an investigation, so be it. The truth will come out, and that's how it should be. Woodridge's military defense lawyer was Haitham Faraj.
11:16It had been covered by Time magazine. Congress was beginning to have hearings on it. And so I was going into something that was already a media circus. I frankly didn't want to be involved in it. I don't know what the Marine Corps was thinking, but me as a Marine Corps officer, as a major, it was a disgusting incident and a stain on the Marine Corps and its reputation. I frankly didn't want to be involved in it. Haitham found it difficult to connect with his client, Frank Woodridge. You know, he had no affect. It was always kind of a blank stare and wasn't readily engaging us in trying to help us defend him or at least figure out what happened.
12:00I didn't know whether he directed anything or if he actually participated. If I were to evaluate Frank Witterich as a Marine, as a sergeant, he would probably be among the lower 10 % of all sergeants I've worked with. because he's weak. He's not a very good Marine. That's my honest opinion of Frank Woodridge, as a Marine. We know that along with Frank Woodridge, the other Marine who shot Khaled's family was Justin Sherrod. My focus was always, you know, House 4. You know, that's where my charges were. You know, I knew I didn't murder anybody. You know, I killed insurgents. I killed the bad people.
12:40In my mind, the evidence was going to prove me innocent from the get-go. In 2012, Sherratt gave an interview about what happened in Haditha. We enter the house and it's just nothing but women and children. You know, we asked in our best Arabic that we knew at the time, where are the males, where are the weapons, where's the bombs? You know, they pointed next door, so we took them all out of the house. Sherratt says that they found the four men armed in the back bedroom. When I was walking across the hallway, that's when I saw an insurgent. He had an AK. We both drew at the same time, and, you know, a miracle, whatever the hell you want to call it, my weapon jammed.
13:22I didn't know why he didn't shoot at that time, but he went to duck around the corner. By then I acquired 9mm ammo, so I shot, took him out. Somehow, Sherrod says that both he and the Iraqi man he confronted had their weapons jammed at the same time. So Sherrod pulled out his 9mm pistol, a small handgun, and used that instead. Then he moved into the room. There was three or four other insurgents, and they all had AK-47s in hand. I see them, and I just unload with this 9mm. I try to take out everybody in that room that I could. By the time I ran out of ammo, obviously Woodurch heard me shooting.
14:06So then he also aided in firing. We neutralized the insurgents in that room. I did what I had to do to get the job done.
14:18Sharet's version is radically different to Khalid's.
14:26On the day it happened, I remember what the soldiers looked like. Frank and the Marines were shouting very loudly. My father was preparing food and I was with my mother at the entrance of the house. Khaled says he, his mother and his aunt were taken next door by the Marines, while his father and three uncles were marched inside the adjoining house. A few minutes later, they heard gunshots. We went into the house, my mother first and me behind her. We saw that there was smoke in the room and the smell of gunpowder. I ran between the bodies towards my father. I turned his head over and I found a bullet hole.
15:09I opened the closet and I saw a terrible scene. Uncle Marwan's head was split open. His brain was visible. The room was full of blood. At that moment I left. I was hysterical. I went into the street screaming. I don't know what happened after that. The American forces, Frank and his team, claimed there was resistance inside the house. So they reacted and killed them. But how can a person resist when they are inside a closet? What happened in a room where they were executed? I was and still am looking for anything, any way to start a retrial. At least for Justin and Frank to go to prison. That's my goal ultimately.
15:59Time 1224, photography starting on House 4. Checking for defects. We're going to be here longer than we thought. Forensic investigator Mike Maloney was brought in to look at the evidence and figure out which version it supported. He's an expert who spent many years working for the NCIS, the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. Now that he's retired, he's speaking freely about the Haditha case. I ended up getting sent to Haditha to do a forensic analysis of what was being termed in the press the Haditha massacre. I was just shocked when I went in there because all the evidence was still there in the master bedroom.
16:40The bloodstains were on the wall. The bullet defects were still there. We expected to find forensic evidence, but we didn't expect to find as close to a pristine scene as you could find that number of months later. Mike Maloney compared the evidence with the two narratives. Khaled's version of the story, which says that the men were taken inside the house and shot. Or the Marine version, which says that Khaled's uncles and father were armed and waiting inside the house. When we're talking about a forensic reconstruction, the Iraqi versions of events doesn't matter. The Marines' version of events doesn't matter.
17:16It's what can we physically determine happened based upon the physical evidence. So what it looked like happened is the initial battle started at the door. There's a bullet that goes through the man that's found near the door. He received a shot to the fingers. He's talking about Khaled's uncle, Qahtan. He was the first to be shot in the doorway of the room. And when we look at the blood stain on the doorframe, that blood is on the outside of the doorframe. So that's completely consistent with holding a rifle. and you're standing in the doorway and your left forearm is beyond the doorway. Mike Maloney is saying that because of where he was standing and the shot he received to the fingers, the man could have been holding up a weapon.
18:02He then examined the positions of the three other men shot in the room. One of the closet doors was open and someone was standing behind it and someone else dove into the closet. The guy is shot through the open closet door behind it. Then that door's pulled closed. Wooterich stepped in and fired through the door. In other words, he's saying the forensic evidence suggests that Sherrod killed Khaled's father and two uncles, but that it was Frank Wooterich who shot Khaled's favorite uncle, Marwan. The question that still tears Khaled apart is why. Was there any evidence that they were armed? We can't say that there was a weapon in anyone's hands except for Sherrod and Wooterich.
18:48There were no weapons associated with the bodies. And the whole both weapons jammed seems fantastical. But the location of Sherratt and the location of the person that shot is not fantastical. That's supported. Despite a lack of proof that the Iraqis were carrying guns, Mike Maloney's forensic report concluded that one of them could have been. And based on this, all the charges against Justin Sherratt and Frank Witterich for what happened in Khalid's house were dropped. I show the forensic report to Khalid. He hasn't seen it before. The only information he's been told about what happened came from an American journalist.
19:36It doesn't say that a single one of them was armed. I wish I could meet with this person so he can explain the science to me. If there are four armed men in a room, why was not a single-armed man able to fire a shot? There's two options for the shots. Either they get lodged in a wall or the ceiling of the room. Or they would have hit Frank or Justin. I put Khaled's questions to Mike Maloney. We have shown your forensic report to Khaled Jamal, who is the son of one of the men killed in House 4, and he had some questions about it. So is it all right if I play this video for you? Absolutely.
20:16He watches the video closely, which we've put subtitles on. There's a concept in forensics which is important. And that concept is the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. When we say that there was no forensic linkage, no forensic ability to be able to put weapons in that room, that's all we mean. We don't mean they weren't there. There seems to be an assumption that there were four weapons in the room. I have no idea. I don't know that there was one, but there were indications of one. And I stand by the report. We weren't there. But what we can do is we can do the best explanation given the data that we've examined.
20:58I hope that answers his question. I don't think it will bring him peace of mind, and I understand that. I'll tell my mother that the case is closed. She should have no hope that anything will happen. if American experts and the American government are convinced that these soldiers are innocent. Justin Sherratt, the Marine who admitted to shooting Khaled's relatives, always maintained that his actions were justified. I didn't do anything wrong. We didn't do anything wrong. This is what you sent us over there to do. Now you're going to question us? Maybe you should have questioned starting this whole war to begin with.
21:35In 2022, Sherratt took his own life.
21:41Khaled still has so many unanswered questions, and the only one who can answer them now is the squad leader, Frank Wouteridge.
21:52I tell Khaled that we're going to try to get in touch with Wouteridge. If we manage to reach him, what would he say to him?
22:04Khaled starts to introduce himself, but trails off. He says he needs to step outside for some fresh air. When he comes back a few minutes later, he's visibly shaken. He sits down and exhales slowly before speaking. I'm Khaled Jamal.
22:23I want to ask you some questions. I hope you can answer them. The first question is, what was the reason for the crime? The second question is, do you remember me? Do you remember what I looked like as a boy? Why didn't you kill me with the other four men? I want to know the truth. Was it a quick killing? What was the last thing they said? My last question is, is it possible for me to have an interview with you? Or a friendly meeting with you without any media, just to have a discussion? I tell Khaled I'll do my best to send his message to Frank Witteridge. After the charges against Sharet and Frank Witteridge were dropped for the deaths in Khaled's house, Woodridge was still facing 14 counts of murder for the deaths in the other houses, including Safa's house, where she was the only survivor in what was called House 2.
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23:23Mike Maloney also looked at the forensic evidence there to try and work out what happened. That back bedroom in House 2 was horrific. We had what appeared to be two adults and five children that were basically killed on a bed. What happened in here that allowed two women and five children to be identified as a threat, as a target, and to be mitigated would be the polite word. I'll use the word executed. You're listening to No Justice Just Kills, a BBC Eye investigation for the documentary for the BBC World Service. I'm Lara El-Ghebeli.
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25:44We're looking into the longest war crimes investigation in U.S. history, the trial of U.S. Marines for the killing of 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha, Iraq, in 2005. Among them were Safa Yunus' whole family.
26:02They were innocent people We didn't even have any weapons in the house They killed my mom and dad My sisters, Noor, Sabah, Zainab, Aisha And my brother Muhammad too And my aunt Huda I was the only survivor out of my entire family
26:27I meet Safa at her new house in Haditha where she lives with her husband and three children I will never forget my family but thank God, God made it up to me and I now have a family of my own I consider my daughter Mariam like my sister and Yahya, my son, is like a brother to me We watch her children play in the garden, her youngest boy chasing around a toy car, her older son taking the chickens out of the coop and offering to let me hold them. I ask Safa if her children know about what happened to their grandparents, to the aunts and uncles they would never get to know.
27:13I gave them some information so they know the basics. They know that their grandfather was killed by the Americans. But they don't know the details. Though she doesn't live there anymore, Safa agreed to take us back to her old home.
27:35This is the home where Safa's entire family were shot. The white side door still has bullet holes in it from when the Marines stormed the house in 2005. They would have come in through this door, straight into the kitchen. To the left, there's a hallway, and all the way at the end is the bedroom where Safa and her family would have been huddled, waiting. In that room were Safa's aunt and mother, four sisters and brother, aged between three and thirteen. Her father had already been shot at the front door of the house. Even though it's painful for me to come to this house, I insist on coming here to remember my siblings, how I used to play with them, to remember my parents and the life we used to live.
28:22Despite the tragedy that happened, I want to keep their memories with me forever. Safa says she still remembers exactly what happened that day, when she was 14. We heard a gunshot. I was a child, I was scared. We were gathered in one room. One of the soldiers had something in his hand and came in. I didn't know what it was because I was young, but I found out later it was a grenade. He threw it into the room and closed the door. We all ran and climbed on the bed, but it didn't explode. My aunt opened the door and saw that my father had been shot. She screamed, and then a soldier came in and fired randomly at us.
29:02Me and my sister Noor were on the edge of the bed, so we got down. He heard a sound, so he put his gun under the bed and shot. I pretended to be dead and didn't move. Then he left. I wanted to tell my sister Noor that they'd all left. I tried to stroke her on the head, but my hand was covered in blood. Her skull was in pieces. I knew she was dead.
29:31After the incident, the Marines went back to all the sites where people were killed in Haditha to take photos for their records. These photos were made public last year, and they are truly devastating. They show children's bodies huddled on a bed with their mother, all with multiple gunshot wounds to the head and chest. Which of the Marines shot Safa's aunt, mother and siblings, young, innocent children? This was the central question of the criminal investigation. The Marines who entered Safa's house that day were Frank Wutteridge, the squad leader, Lance Corporal Stephen Tatum, and the most junior member of the squad, Umberto Mendoza.
30:14The series called back to order. May I call your first witness? So, Mendoza. We have audio recordings of the testimonies given to the court by each of the Marines on what happened. This is very rare access to the proceedings of a military courtroom. The recordings aren't great quality, so we've had someone else speak Mendoza's words. Here he is describing what he did in House 2. I see somebody trying to open the door. An adult male. I opened fire. The male went down. Mendoza is describing shooting Safa's father at the door. He says he did it because he was ordered to by the squad leader, Frank Wittredge.
30:56Then, Mendoza says, he approaches the back bedroom. When I open the door, the first thing I see is women and kids laying down on the bed. I close the door and start talking to Lance Corporal Tatum. I told him that there were women and kids inside the room, sir. He says, well, shoot them. I said, they're just women and kids. So as I started walking back again to my position, I could hear him opening the door, sir. I hear a loud noise coming from inside the house, sir. So Mendoza is basically saying Tatum killed everyone, single-handedly. But Tatum tells a very different story. In his version, he's in the back bedroom, not on his own, but with Witteridge, the squad leader.
31:46Here's Tatum's courtroom testimony. We've had an actor read his statement, as it's hard to hear clearly. We immediately proceeded down this hallway. Who was the first Marine to proceed down the hallway? It would be Staff Sergeant Woodridge, sir. It would be Staff Sergeant Woodridge, sir. He's muzzled up, ready to engage any individual coming out of the two doors in front of us, sir. He proceeded in front through door two, and I went through door one, sir. Right about at that same time, in the room that Staff Sergeant Woodridge had entered, I heard M-16 firing. I immediately came in and started engaging targets.
32:24It was very dark. I couldn't really see too much in the room. There were particles in the air. It was dusty. I saw four to five silhouettes, big, small. I was not in that room any more than two to three seconds.
32:41Tatum says that because it was dark and dusty, he couldn't identify the people in the room. But looking through the hundreds of pages of legal documents, we find something that completely contradicts that. In three separate statements given to NCIS during the investigation, Tatum said he knowingly shot the children, Safa's siblings. These were written statements, so an actor is voicing Tatum's words. On April 16, 2006, Tatum said this to investigators. I saw that children were in the room kneeling down. I don't remember the exact number, but only that it was a lot. I'm trained to shoot two shots to the chest and two shots to the head, and I followed my training.
33:25Then, a few weeks later on May 9th, 2006, in another statement, Tatum said, I was able to positively identify the people in the room as women and children before shooting them. And then, eight days later, he said very clearly, This is where I saw the kid I shot. Knowing it was a kid, I still shot him. Under their US military rules of engagement, Marines have to positively identify someone as a threat before shooting them. But in three separate statements, Tatum is saying he knew the victims were children, but that he shot them anyway.
34:06We've heard Mendoza's account of events, saying Tatum was responsible for the killings. And we've heard Tatum's account, where he says he and squad leader Frank Wutteridge did the shooting. But what did Wutteridge say happened? When it came to Safa's house, he claimed not to remember a thing. For some reason, I get confused with the first and second house. It seems almost just the same to me. You know, what kind of blows my mind is, you know, NCIS and this investigation, they probably know more about what happened that day than I do. Was it possible he had blocked it out of his memory? Or was he covering up for himself and the other Marines?
34:49Forensic investigator Mike Maloney's job was to look at the evidence, together with the different versions of events, and try to figure out what actually happened. He concluded it was clear that the Marines weren't telling the whole truth. They mentioned the shooting of Safa's father by the door, and the shooting of her mother and siblings in the back bedroom. But what about Huda, Safa's aunt? When we look at Tatum and Mendoza's statement, Huda is ignored. She's not mentioned. We know she's the first one shot. We know she's shot from the hallway and collapses at the door. So at that point, we know that their statements have at least one portion where they're changing what happened.
35:32And there's another thing that he found that didn't add up. Mendoza said he left the hall and heard Tatum going into the bedroom, then a loud noise, suggesting Tatum did the shooting alone. But according to Mike Maloney's analysis, that can't be true. In our forensic reconstruction, we have the shooter penetrating into the room, turning at the foot of the bed and beginning to shoot their way across the bed. At the same time, we have someone coming in behind them, facing the bed from the side and shooting across the head of the bed on one of the victims. She actually appears to be simultaneously shot by both shooters at the same time.
36:13So that's how we're able to determine that it wasn't one shooter shooting from the door and then moving to the foot of the bed. So there were two shooters in that back bedroom. As they approached the trial back in 2008, squad leader Frank Witterich's lawyers were trying desperately to get him to remember. Here's Woodridge's lawyer, Haitham Faraj. Did you hear any shooting? I don't recall. Well, who was in the house? I don't recall. Who came out first? It was very confused. He never really had a specific answer. I mean, it was a complete black hole of memory. It was very difficult to try and put a defense together if we don't know what our client did.
36:53So they staged an exercise where they asked him to reenact the scene. It was all recorded. It's an exercise called discovering the story. It uses psychodramatic techniques to try and bring the person back to the reality of the event that you're trying to recall. I want you to close your eyes and think. You're arriving at house number two. What are you seeing? Think about the colors, the smells, everything. It's a clear day, sunny. I remember the house being white. Eventually, he starts to remember. What are you hearing right now? At this point, I think I started hearing gunfire coming from the bedroom at the end.
37:39I remember seeing Mendoza in there, but I didn't see if there was... Did you see him go in? No, I see him in there firing.
37:51This was a turning point for Woodridge's lawyers. Mendoza had never been charged for any of the killings that day. He had admitted to shooting Safa's father at the door, but he'd said Tatum was the one who had shot Safa's mother, aunt and siblings. However, Mendoza said he had opened the door into the back bedroom, and he's the only Marine who says he did that. Forensic investigator Mike Maloney says that's significant. Mendoza places himself at that room and he places himself opening the door. A lot of false statements contain 90 % of the truth. So against his own self-interest, he places himself as the primary player at that door.
38:35Safa remembered a Marine opening the door too. She was asked about it in the video taken way back in 2006.
38:47The interpreter asks if Safa saw the Marine who shot her family. She says she did, and that this same Marine had thrown in a grenade that didn't go off. It was the same person who threw the grenade and left. He is the one who came back shooting.
39:07You'd imagine that Safa's testimony would have been really useful information for Mike Maloney. who was trying to piece together what had happened. He'd had access to the statements from Khaled's family about the shootings in his house. But what about Safa's? When did you first see her testimony, and did it influence your forensic reconstruction? I was called early on by a member of the prosecution team, and I was told, we went back to Haditha, and we did some interviews. You would probably like to see them. I said, I certainly would. And they said the requirement is you cannot incorporate them in any of your reports, nor can you make your headquarters aware that you've seen these.
39:51Well, I clearly can't do that. I'm a special agent for NCIS. I'm not a rogue investigator. So at that point, I wasn't given the statements to review.
40:04Mike Maloney and the prosecution were meant to be on the same team. So what bothers me at that point is the prosecution knew that our theory of events of what happened in that room was supported by a witness. Yet they kept that from us so they could continue to pursue their series of events which didn't coincide with ours. Then, at a later hearing, Mendoza added more crucial detail to his testimony. I went inside the room. I tried to take a better look at what's going on, and it was still just women and kids inside the room. I walked about eight feet. I'm going to pause it there for a quick second.
40:50We played this recording from Mike Maloney. This is the first time I've heard this. This is interesting to me because prior to this, we very much got the impression that at this door it was a quick look, just looking in there and coming out. And now he's going eight feet into the room, which is the shooter position. So this is just amazing to me. And I've never heard this before today. Mike Maloney is now convinced that Mendoza was one of the shooters. And here's why. So Mendoza confesses to going into the room and taking a look. We have much more than a look because he then confesses to occupying the shooting position at the bottom of the bed.
41:34He then confesses to observing in detail all of the individuals on the bed, which would not necessarily be visible had he just done a quick peek at the door. So if you were to ask me, is this a confession of sorts? What I'd say is Mendoza confessed to everything except for pulling the trigger. Mendoza couldn't be charged because he had been given immunity by prosecutors in 2006. He did not respond to our questions. He admitted to shooting Safa's father, but said he was following orders. He was never charged with a criminal offence. When I first contacted Safa, she didn't know what had happened in the trial, or which of the Marines likely killed her family.
42:19So we're on our way to Safa's house now to show her the evidence that we came here to show her. And I just have no idea how she's going to react. I don't know if she really wants to see it. I don't know if this is us opening up what is a painful chapter for her that is already in the past.
42:39When we sit down in her living room after greetings and cups of tea, I ask her whether she wants to see what we've found.
42:50Of course, I want to know everything. I still have questions. It doesn't feel as if it's been 20 years. It's as if it happened last year. I still think about it and research everything about it. I want the people who did it to be held accountable and to be punished by the law.
43:14I show her a video of Mendoza taken during Wittrich's trial. Mendoza is in a courtroom, standing in front of a mock doorway, built to scale to match the doorway of the back bedroom of Safa's house. Okay, let's go, Mendoza. I want you to take the position that you took on that day. The man showed up at the door, the door was still closed, and you shot him. Mendoza admits on camera to killing Safa's father, Yunus Rasif, when he was unarmed. After he opened the door, sir. You're testifying today that he opened the door, then you shot him? Yes, sir. Okay, did you see his hands? Yes, sir. He wasn't armed?
43:57When I show this recording to Safa, she's stunned and becomes tearful. I didn't know who killed my father. This is the first time I'm seeing his face. This man should have been imprisoned from the moment it happened. It should have been impossible for him to see the light of day. There should be justice. At the very least, I should get a small part of the justice my family are owed. But what about Tatum, the Marine who Mendesza blames for the killings in the bedroom? I heard M-16 firing. I immediately came in and started engaging targets. He admitted in three statements to identifying and then shooting Safa's siblings.
44:45But his lawyers argued that the statements were obtained under duress, and they were disregarded by prosecutors. Tatum was granted immunity. We reached out to him. Through his lawyer he said he wants to put Haditha behind him. He has never withdrawn his testimony that he and Woodridge were the shooters in Safa's house. After Tatum was given immunity, the sole focus was now on Frank Woodridge. This was too messy of a story for the Marine Corps and they wanted to get rid of the story in the quickest way possible. I don't want to call Frank Woodridge a scapegoat, but he was a convenient way to get rid of this.
45:27As Woodridge's trial got closer, his lawyers were still concerned by his apparent inability to remember what had happened in Safa's house. They conducted a mock trial. We want to present you some evidence, most of which will be presented at the court-martial. This is kind of a trial run. You're a focus group. And the Marines on the mock jury gave a damning verdict. Disarable discharge in 15 years. House 2 is morally corrupt, and if I thought so, death penalty. 15 years, and even the death penalty. It seemed even Wuttrich's own peers thought he should be found guilty. He was facing the very real possibility of a lifetime in prison.
46:09Let's hear what you spell to order. Let me call your first witness. In 2012, Wuttrich's real trial began. The Haditha trial is underway at Camp Hengleton, more than six years after 24 Arabies were killed by a squad of U.S. Marines. Forensic investigator Mike Maloney was getting ready to testify that his evidence pointed to Mendoza and Tatum killing Safa's family, not Wateridge. I was preparing to testify. I was in the witness room. They came down and called me. I stood up, adjusted my necktie and started down the hall and they said, stop. We don't need you. And then they reached a plea agreement with Frank Woodrich.
46:51At the last minute, the prosecution suggested that Frank agree to a plea deal, negligent dereliction of duty. All he'd get was a reduction in pay and rank, and he'd walk completely free. The prosecution had engineered the failure of their own case, says lawyer Haitham Faraj. The government paid to have people come in and lie, and the payment was immunity. And that's how they misused the legal process. But ultimately, the conclusion of the Haditha trial also came down to a lack of political will. If this crime had been committed in some base in Germany, I guarantee you the perpetrators would stand trial and be held accountable.
47:31It was in Iraq. We wanted to demonize the Iraqis to justify the crimes that were committed by the politicians that sent Marines abroad, and Marines and others, and so that's the result. We put these allegations to the lead prosecutor at the time, but he didn't respond.
47:54Like Khalid, whose father and uncles were killed in House 4, Safa also has unanswered questions. I ask her if she wants to send a message to squad leader Frank Woodridge. She hesitates and goes to the other room to grab her phone. This is a poem I read. It moved me and I thought it could express my feelings clearer than I can in my own words. It's a poem she's dedicating to all the Marines implicated in her family's killings, she says.
48:26A message to my family's killer. If you knew what you had killed, you wouldn't have killed. You wouldn't have killed. If you knew the burning loss you left inside me, you wouldn't have killed. If you knew what it means to lose your family, you wouldn't have done it. If you knew how the fire you burned us with will one day be returned to you, you wouldn't have killed. The killer will be punished. May God serve justice.
49:13We wanted Frank Woodridge to take part in this story, and to answer Safa and Khaled's questions, or just listen to their messages. After months of back and forth with his lawyer, in the end, he declined to speak to us, or even to listen to the messages Safa and Khaled had sent. Filmmaker Michael Epstein has known Woodridge for nearly 20 years, So how does he think Woodridge now feels about the case? I don't think Frank feels the very intimate responsibility in House 4 that I know he feels in House 2. I know Frank feels that in House 2, it was his fault that that house happened the way it did. It doesn't mean that he is the murderer, but he knows he lost control.
50:07He knows he was in charge. And he knows ultimately that those deaths, those murders, are on him. But through his lawyer, Woodridge did send us a written message for Suffa. An actor is reading what he said. I am still very sorry for how everything unfolded that day. and had I known that day the information I know now, I would have handled the situation very differently. I'm sure she's not interested in me defending my decisions that day, and that is completely understandable. She should know I really wish her and her family the best, and I hate that we have this shared history with one another.
50:46Safa's testimony from when she was 14 was never played at Frank Woodrich's trial. And 20 years later, her message to the one person she thought could give her answers has also gone unheard. The testimonies, the investigation, the trial. Haitham Faraj, Wutrich's lawyer, questions the point of it all. I would tell Khalid and Safa that their impressions of a show trial with no real outcome, with no one being punished, was right. And I was wrong. because I believed that at the time that the system was supposed to work and hold people accountable. I didn't realize at the time that the gravity of this case and its likely impact on the Marine Corps and maybe our politics would result in a complete miscarriage of justice.
51:40Whether deliberate or negligent, you know, I would say that they're right. No one was held accountable. In a statement, the US Marine Corps said it is committed to fair and open proceedings under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, ensuring due process of law. And it said it is not reopening the investigation in this case unless a wealth of new, unexamined and admissible evidence is introduced.
52:19You've been listening to No Justice, Just Kills, a BBC Eye investigation for the documentary for the BBC World Service. I'm Lara El-Gibeli. The producers were me, Namak Khoshnau, and Sophie Eastall. The editors were Simon Cox and Rebecca Henschke. The sound engineer was Gareth Jones. Thanks for listening.
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From the publisher
On 19 November 2005, US Marines killed 24 civilians in Haditha, Iraq, many of them women and children. The incident led to the longest US war crimes investigation of the Iraq war. But in the end, no one went to prison. A four-year investigation by BBC Eye has uncovered footage, legal documents and marine testimonies that have never before been made public. Reporter Lara El Gibaly speaks to the forensic investigator and lawyers involved in the case, who are speaking out about what happened, and why those responsible for the deaths walked free. And she travels to Iraq to take this information to the survivors, Safa and Khalid, who have been searching for answers about the killing of their families for twenty years.




