In short
France is demolishing “foyers” (workers’ hostels) for immigrant men and replacing them with “résidences sociales” or other social housing, raising fears of eviction, higher rents, and the loss of tight-knit community spaces and informal support networks.
Guests (and backgrounds)
- Bayadémou Koulibaly (71, Mali; in France 50+ years; worked for Citroën ~40 years; lives in Siqueros; fears losing his room and being unable to return to Mali).
- Jagiri Conte (president of the Residence Committee at Siqueros; lives in a 7-square-meter room).
- Diagiri (Siqueros resident; family in Mali; worries about community breakup and affordability).
- Michael Hoare (since 1973 in France; film student; founder/president of COPEF; documents foyer life; compares past “souks” to today).
- Boubou Soumare (early 50s, Mauritania; lived at Foyer Pinel; room “with no door”; disputes with Adoma over locks/keys).
- Nana Traore (Mali; cooks in Foyer Édouard Branly communal kitchen for 11 years; fights to keep the kitchen).
- Djibril Silla (25; lived at Branly since ~2013; wants young residents to inherit rooms; estimates far more residents than official count).
Key claims
- Rehousing plans “split” residents, push some farther away, and reserve units for non-foyer tenants (“nouveau public”), reducing access for older retirees.
- New social housing costs more (Siqueros ~350€/month vs residence sociale ~450+), while pensions are low (~1,000€/month).
- Management company Adoma uses control mechanisms (single non-copyable keys, inventories, water limits) that residents call infantilizing/surveillance.
- Demolitions erase communal kitchens, prayer spaces, workshops, and diaspora history.
Notable examples
- Siqueros: 13-story tower replaced; residents fear loss of vendors, common areas, and community life.
- Foyer Pinel: “room with no door,” lock/key disputes; a 2015 death where residents had to call firefighters.
- Foyer Édouard Branly: communal kitchen serving hundreds daily; campaign to keep it; new building expected to take only ~130 of ~195 (possibly ~400) residents.
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Chapters
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0:00 to 1:08
Exploring the demolition of migrant worker housing in Saint-Denis.
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Introduction to Saint-Denis
1:10 to 1:46
Exploring the demolition of migrant worker housing in Saint-Denis.
“It was while I was reading the local council's magazine where I live in Saint-Denis, a Paris suburb, that a small article caught my eye.”
Bayadémou's Concerns
1:46 to 3:52
Bayadémou Koulibaly shares his fears of losing his home.
“Now they want to throw us old retirees out, says Bayadémou Koulibaly.”
Living Conditions at Sikeros
3:52 to 5:28
A visit to a cramped room in the Sikeros hostel.
“the president of the Residence Committee, to see exactly where he lives.”
The Impact of Demolition
5:28 to 7:20
Residents voice their fears about the changes to their community.
“There won't be any of this left with the new social housing.”
Michael's Story
7:20 to 9:24
Michael Hoare discusses his experiences working with immigrant workers.
“That means other tenants, not those from the old foyer.”
Challenges of Shared Living
9:24 to 14:00
Residents discuss the difficulties of living in a shared space.
“Michael is one of the founders and the current president of a group called COPEF, the Collective for the Future of the Foyer.”
Housing Control and Eviction Tactics
14:00 to 15:54
Learn about the control measures and eviction tactics used by housing managers.
“Among us, there are people managing companies, there are heads of families.”
Life Stories from the Foyer
17:04 to 23:58
Explore personal stories of residents living in communal housing.
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Struggles for Community and Heritage
23:58 to 27:51
Understand the importance of community spaces and the fight against loss.
“because this basically serves as a soup kitchen for people who can't afford to go out to restaurants.”
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Exploring the Transformations of Foyers
28:00 to 30:48
Learn about the changes in France's immigrant housing and cultural spaces.
“I requested an interview with the management company Adoma, which is partly state-owned.”
Transcript
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1:00It's everything your business needs in one place, saving you time, headaches and serious money. Stop paying for missing pieces. Go to odoo.com. That's O-D-O-O dot com to learn more. It was while I was reading the local council's magazine where I live in Saint-Denis, a Paris suburb, that a small article caught my eye. It was about the demolition of a foyer de travailleurs migrants, housing built for immigrant workers. Once it's gone, it will be replaced with a new residence sociale, social housing, for young professionals and those trying to get on the property ladder, the article said. I was intrigued about what would happen to those who used to live there, and so I decided to find out more.
1:45Welcome to the documentary from the BBC World Service, with assignment from France.
1:56It's too much. Now they want to throw us old retirees out, says Bayadémou Koulibaly. He's 71 years old from Mali and West Africa, but has been living in France for over 50 years. For most of that time, home has been this foyer, housing built especially for France's immigrant workers. But now he fears he's going to lose it.
2:21I'm Carolyn Lombele, in an underprivileged suburb Saint-Denis where I live, just north of the capital Paris.
2:34There's an important meeting today with the company which owns the building and is pushing through with big changes. They're going to replace this 13-story tower block, Siqueros, with new social housing. But residents like Baademou are worried about what will disappear as a result.
3:01Social housing is no good for us. We should never have accepted it. It's all shenanigans. It's to make us leave, to kick us out. That's their policy. That's what I'm saying. I can't accept the way they're treating us. Either they give us something better or forget it.
3:22What's happening here tells a wider story about France's foyer and the changing attitudes towards immigrant workers. Siqueiros is one of the last standing foyer in the country. Around 700 foyer, or workers' hostels, were built in cities across France in the decades after World War II as the economy grew. Since the 1990s, many of them have been demolished. Under 100 are left.
3:51Because I don't like lifts, I'm climbing up to the 8th floor of Sikeros with Jagiri Conte, the president of the Residence Committee, to see exactly where he lives.
4:11So it's a 7-square-meter room. There's literally just room for a single bed. There's a fridge and a table, and he's put the table on top of the fridge because there's literally no space. Here in the entrance, there's a sink. There's a shoe rack, and just above, there's a microwave. He's got some laundry drying, so it's really quite small. This tiny box room has been Jagiri's home for the past 23 years. It's tidy, but there's no place to even sit.
4:46There are 24 rooms like this one on each floor, he explains.
4:57Like many of the men in the foyer, and it is only men here, Diagiri has an entire family back home in Mali, a wife and six children.
5:10Diagiri too is worried about the plans to demolish this tower and replace it with social housing. A lot gets lost in these transformations.
5:27As Diagiri chats to other residents, there's an obvious sense of community here. Officially, 304 men live in Sikeros But I'm told there could actually be at least twice that There's a prayer room on the first floor And a large common room in an adjacent building And there's plenty of outside space Where some residents set up stalls at mealtimes, grilling meat A woman sells takeaway plastic boxes of food
6:03All this, all these vendors and all these common areas, this is going to disappear, right?
6:12Yes, it'll all disappear, he says. There won't be any of this left with the new social housing. They're going to split us up. And that's his biggest concern, the breakup of the community.
6:35We want to live together. It's our custom. When you come to a country, yes, you need to respect it, respect the republic, that's normal. But we can't change the way we live. It's like birds who flock together. A canary can't fly with a pigeon. It's not possible.
7:10Only some of the official Sikiros residents will be rehoused in the new development here. Others will have to move half an hour away, or even further. On top of that, 50 of the new units are reserved for so-called nouveau public. That means other tenants, not those from the old foyer. The authorities say they need to increase the social mix in the buildings.
7:41So he's saying he's worried because as part of the new plan, a lot of the rooms are going to be actually larger. And basically, those are more expensive. And it's for people who are in a relationship, who have a partner or maybe a child. And that's just not the case with most of the people living here. So they won't be able to afford it. And he says it's basically not for them. Currently, residents pay around 350 euros per month at Sikeros, while the cheapest room in a residence social starts at around 450 or more. Some of these men, especially the retirees, have to live on pensions of only around 1 ,000 euros per month.
8:24It's all rubbish, he says. It's not for us. They're trying to push us back, bit by bit by bit, until there'll be no more Arabs or blacks here.
8:41One reason residents at Sikeros are so worried is they've seen what's happened elsewhere. Another foyer nearby has already been torn down and replaced with social housing. We've just walked into Pina and there's lots of guys milling about. Just sitting on some bunches here in the sun. Mostly elderly African gentlemen.
9:05How are you, Michael? So far so good. Michael Hoare has been in France since 1973. He came as a young student to study film. I've been working in and around the foyer of these sort of hostels or dormitories for immigrant workers in the Paris region for about 50 years. Michael is one of the founders and the current president of a group called COPEF, the Collective for the Future of the Foyer. This was Foyer Pinel. Can you take me back? It was an old industrial warehouse, and it was divided up into dormitories of 8 to 12 beds. And this whole area was a kind of a courtyard. It was a souk. It was a market.
9:54It was full of people selling all kinds of stuff, from chickens to clothes to rings and jewelry. And there were little workshops for tailors, for people who worked metal, particularly silver, for the jewelry and stuff. There were people who would be cutting up meat and selling it on the weekends and so on and so on. It was an African village out here. Could it be more different from today? No, today. Somewhat sanitized, sterilized and emptied environment.
10:32It's a far cry from the hustle and bustle of an old foyer. I'm taking the stairs again, this time with Boubou Soumare. So you haven't lived here in years, right? It's been four years, says Boubou. But you still have a room?
10:55Boubou, who's in his early 50s, is from Mauritania. Although he's moved out, he still has a room at Pined, where his younger brother now lives. But the management company wants to take it away from him, and they've been fighting over it in court.
11:12So I'm just taking off my shoes, and just in front of me there's at least one, two, five, six pairs of shoes. the room is full of people. There are at least two beds here. And...
11:30So there's a lot of people in here. Ah oui, il y a du monde. C 'est comme toujours. C 'est comme toujours. Parce que c 'est une chambre qui ne ferme pas. On l 'appelle comme ça. La chambre qui n 'a pas de porte. This is the room with no doors. It's always open. But it's your brother who lives here now.
11:56With his cousins next door, I see a mattress on the floor. How many people sleep here?
12:05Two people. Two people sleep here.
12:11The room's 26 square meters with a mini kitchen, a shower and toilet. It certainly looks more comfortable. than Sikeros.
12:22But there's a story involving keys. One of the first things Boubou did when he moved into Pinel was to change the lock to his room. That's because residents here are given just one set of keys. And the keys cannot be copied, which makes sharing your room, as many of them do, more difficult. And that's the thing. People often do this to help each other out, and, importantly, to split the costs. Having just one key can cause other difficulties too. I imagine that sometimes this could be really problematic, especially if someone is sick or if they're elderly. There have been deaths. In 2015, someone died here at Pinel.
13:08His body was totally decomposed when they found it. His daughter came over. But the housing company's office was closed that day. It's us, the residents, who called the firefighters. They came, they knocked down the door and found he'd been dead for a while. This issue of the keys is also very symbolic, isn't it?
13:31It's infantilisation. It means a lack of trust. It means imprisonment. And it means that everything we do is under surveillance by Adoma, the management company. I've been advocating for everyone, without exception, to change their lock. If they want to attack us in court, we're ready. We know it's written nowhere in the House rules or in the contract. They know very well they'll lose in court. Among us, there are people managing companies, there are heads of families. If we can manage a company, you'd think we can look after a set of keys, no? The issue of the keys is about control, according to Michael Hoare.
14:15Of course, it's much easier to be able to see who's coming in, who's going out, and keep the control. Plus the fact that they institute the inventory. Every year they sort of put up a little sign around the foyer saying, next Thursday we will take start of what's happening in your room. And what they have, they have a pass which allows them to go into all of the rooms. There are water meters, too. Limit of 165 liters per day. Using too much water implies more than one person is living there. Or beware the telltale sign of different-sized shoes lying around on the floor.
14:51What we're living through at the moment is a kind of a campaign, if you like. The managers of this kind of housing are targeting for eviction. Anybody who doesn't obey the rules and regulations. We have a certain number of people in these foyers, which the French government deems no longer useful for French society. So they will continue to put into place steps and measures that will push them out. The most vulnerable residents, arguably, are those who've retired and would like to spend some of the year back in Africa, as Boubou explains.
15:32Retirees can't go back home and carry on paying rent here. With their measly pensions, they have to leave their room to their son or their cousin, who pays the rent while they're away. But then Adoma comes along and slaps on an eviction order.
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18:41I was young, and now I'm old. When I first arrived here, my hair wasn't white. And now, it's white. I spent my entire life here. I'm back in Sikeros in one of the shared kitchens on the eighth floor. Baedemu is reminiscing about his life in the foyer.
19:03I got my room in 1980. Since then, it's been the same one, 8-1-1. I got married back home in Mali. I had children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren. All this time I was here in the same room. And now, if I die, they won't give my room to my cousin. They want to take it back, and then it's all over.
19:30Bademou worked for the French carmaker Citroën for nearly 40 years. His entire adult life has been here in France. Now there isn't enough work for us. In the 1980s, times were good. You came to France, and you could find work. When speaking with him, you get the sense that he's sacrificed a lot. He was never able to bring his family to France. I left my family back in Mali, all my kids. I didn't bring my family here. I've retired so I can live a bit before my last day.
20:12But if it turns out I've spent my whole life giving and now I've got to give more here...
20:22Ideally, Baldemou would like to hold onto his room at Sikeros, or have a family member take it over. He wants to be able to go back and forth to Mali as he pleases, returning to France to renew his residency card when necessary, and for other things like medical care. For all that, he needs to keep an address here in France. But he thinks they're trying to push him out.
20:56There's a banner just here that says, Support for the restaurant of the Foyer Branly. We live here, our struggle is here. And that's what this whole day is about.
21:13In another suburb in Montreux, east of Paris, they're holding an open cultural day at Foyer Édouard Branly. There's a football match going on and plenty of people coming and going. At the heart of it all is a campaign to keep their communal spaces, especially the cantine, the communal kitchen restaurant. That's why I'm here, because Branly is in mid-transformation, from a foyer into new social housing.
21:43And the kitchen they're all talking about is just right here. Let's go in.
21:53You might be able to hear that. There's a man now just stirring up some chicken that's sitting in a massive cauldron full of hot sizzling oil. It's really busy right now. There's at least four or five women serving up huge piles of rice. I can see fried chicken, what looks like piz-piz. Over there I think there's some plantains and there's just a steady stream of people coming in. This is a real community kitchen. There's giant pods stacked up everywhere. You could literally fit a small human in one of these. There's kids. There's some ladies changing a kid's diaper. Just a few minutes to go over there.
22:28We're going to try and talk to one of the women. They're really busy. But this one's just not alone. Bonjour. So what's your name? Comment vous vous appelez? My name is Madame Nana Traore. Where are you from? I am from Mali. Ah. How many meals are you cooking today? In the hundreds, she says. How long have you been cooking here? This is 11 years. I prepared here. My patron has been doing about 17 years. She's been cooking here for 11 years, and her boss, she says, 17 years. So that's a really long time. What is the importance of this place?
23:18There is no plan to build a community kitchen like this one in the new building. We're fighting to keep the kitchen, Nana says, so that we can keep cooking for the residents of the foyer. Because they get up at around 4 in the morning to go to work, they might not come home until 6 p.m. They don't have time to prepare food. We make it so that they can buy it from us. The kitchen's at the heart of the community, she says. It's been here 40, 50 years. Getting rid of it just like that? It's tough.
23:51So she's saying that it will be a sad day if that ever happens, and it will be the case not just for the people living here, but also for the entire neighborhood, because this basically serves as a soup kitchen for people who can't afford to go out to restaurants. This is what they depend on for their food. do you think you can win this battle? She's pushed her hands together as a sign of solidarity, as a sign of people sticking together, and says, if we stick together, we can win this.
24:30So everything costs between 2 euros 50 and 3 euros, and she's just pointing out this massive vat of rice, chicken, there's some pasta right there. And there's a man who's just bought some plantain with chicken and onions. It's all men queuing up with their Tupperware dishes.
24:56Watching the football match outside, Jibril Silla greets some of his friends. At 25, he's one of the younger residents of Foyer-Broli.
25:08He's lived here 12 years, since 2013. So you were 13 when you got here?
25:16Yes, around 13 or 14. And how did you first get to the foyer, Branly?
25:28Djibril explains that his father and grandfather were here before him. Have you taken over your dad's room?
25:38Well, I haven't taken it on officially, because my father lived here with his brothers too. My father's retired and my uncle took the room and I live with him. But he's about to retire too, and retired people sometimes go back to Africa for six months of the year. So I'd like the room to be in my name. But with the management company Adoma, that's almost impossible. We're trying to negotiate with them so that the young people who've lived here for 10 or 20 years can take over their father's or uncle's or relative's bedroom. It could be tricky. The housing company has no obligation to re-home those living here informally.
26:19And there are two of you in there. He's a smiler.
26:28So it's definitely more than two people. If they've got family that first drives, they'll put them up for a while. So sometimes there's four people, sometimes five people. And you can't leave them out on the street, can you?
26:43Officially, 195 people live in Foyer Brondie at the moment, though Djibril estimates the real number is 400 or so. But the new social housing going up right next door will take just 130 of the old residents, he says. What's going to happen to everyone else who lives here, officially or unofficially, isn't clear. For Djibril, the other big worry is the loss of their history and their stories.
27:10We don't want this history to disappear. We're going to lose the history of our families who've been here for more than 40 years, of the young people who come from Africa with no hope and nowhere to go, and we take them in. Also, the communal rooms, we use them for family bereavements, for example, and we can have village meetings in those rooms. to plan development projects in Africa, like for clean water, schools, local maternal hospitals. It's the diaspora, it's us who live in the foyer, who do that. So without these rooms, we'll lose all of that and our history will disappear. We will fight for our heritage, our culture and the mark that we've made until the end.
28:05I requested an interview with the management company Adoma, which is partly state-owned. It's responsible for transforming many of France's old foyers, including Sikeros, Pinel, and Branly. They said nobody was available, but in an email, they told us that the company has invested 5 billion euros over 30 years to renovate old foyers with small box rooms like Sikeros. And now, it says it's consulting with the residents to find them larger, more comfortable accommodation.
28:45Barre des Mous is showing me the basement of one of the large annex buildings back at Sikiros. There's about five people here, three men, sitting behind their sewing machines hard at work. There's bits of fabric everywhere. And just there in the back, you can see a flag, the flag of Mali, and also the Paris Saint-Germain flag, the faux portium.
29:11He's worried that when they transform the building into social housing, all of this will disappear. They won't have this communal life anymore together.
29:22This is Mali, he's saying. When you leave Mali, you enter Mali. even when you're stepping into the foyer in France. That's the Mali, and that's the Africa. It certainly does feel like another world when you step inside an old foyer, between the informal tailors and collective kitchens, and with all these men. Some of them, like Baer Desmous, were born before their countries got independence. A lot has changed since those days when immigrant workers were regarded as vital to rebuilding France in the 1950s and 1960s. Now we're seeing the last of these places. And when these older generations go, what trace will they have left behind?
30:04We're all family here. We eat together, we cook, we watch TV, we make tea, and we forget about our worries. But this was our lives. This was how our existence as migrants passed by without even realising it. And that's what you don't want to lose. Exactly. Exactly, because you live as Europeans. You eat all alone at home. But who do you talk to? We don't want that. For us, it's like being stranded in a desert. No, what I'm saying is we're not rich, but we have the dignity of being rich. That's real wealth.
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From the publisher
France’s last foyers – housing for immigrant workers – are set for demolition. But some current residents are worried about what they’ll lose.
Hundreds of “foyers” - housing units especially for immigrant workers – were built after World War II. The economy was booming and France needed unskilled labour to help rebuild the country. But since the 1990s there has been a policy to get rid of the old foyers and replace them with a type of social housing. However, residents of the old foyers fear they are going to lose out in this transformation. Carolyn Lamboley has been visiting some foyers around Paris and speaking to those who for decades have called these places home. They fear for the break-up of their communities, for a loss of their culture and the little they have.
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