Super Bowl LX

8 Feb 2026 · 50 min · 23 chapters

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Podcast Summary: The Documentary Podcast - Episode: Super Bowl LX

Podcast Overview

  • Title: The Documentary Podcast
  • Description: This podcast dives into global stories and the voices behind them, offering insights into various issues ranging from cultural phenomena to personal struggles.

Episode Overview

  • Title: Super Bowl LX
  • Description: This episode features inspirational NFL stars Leonard Russell, Steve Wright, Jaime Coffee, and Chris Poitras, the COO of Jostens, the jewellers known for creating Super Bowl rings.

Key Themes

  • Personal Journeys: The episode highlights the personal struggles and triumphs of former NFL players, emphasizing themes of addiction, recovery, and redemption.
  • Cultural Significance of the Super Bowl: Explores the Super Bowl's role as a cultural and sporting phenomenon, beyond just a football game.

Notable Discussions

Leonard Russell's Journey

  • Background: Leonard Russell, a former NFL Rookie of the Year, shares his life story, including the highs of his football career and the lows of addiction.
  • Addiction Struggles:
  • Russell discusses his descent into addiction, detailing how it began with cocaine and escalated, impacting his professional and personal life.
  • He describes the turning point when he hit rock bottom, leading to his involvement with the Salvation Army's recovery program.
  • Redemption and Recovery:
  • Russell emphasizes the role of faith and support in his recovery journey, showcasing how he learned to cope with his addiction and rebuild his life.

Steve Wright's Perspective

  • Balance Between Aggression and Humanity:
  • Steve Wright talks about the challenge of switching from an aggressive player on the field to a composed individual off the field.
  • He expresses the mental toll of maintaining this duality and the eventual desire to find a more peaceful existence post-retirement.

Cultural Commentary on the Super Bowl

  • Halftime Show and Advertising:
  • The episode discusses the cultural implications of the Super Bowl halftime show, notably featuring Bad Bunny, and the controversies surrounding it.
  • The financial stakes of Super Bowl advertisements are highlighted, emphasizing the event's commercial significance.

The Significance of Super Bowl Rings

  • Jostens' Role:
  • Chris Poitras from Jostens outlines the craftsmanship behind Super Bowl rings, explaining the personalization and the symbolic nature of these awards for players.

Key Takeaways

  • Personal Growth: Stories from Russell and Wright illustrate the importance of personal growth and the impact of overcoming challenges.
  • Cultural Reflection: The Super Bowl serves as a microcosm of American culture, showcasing both unity and division within society.
  • Support Systems: The episode emphasizes the significance of community and support in recovery and healing processes.

Conclusion This episode of The Documentary Podcast combines powerful narratives of redemption and cultural exploration, providing listeners with a deeper understanding of the human experiences intertwined with the spectacle of the Super Bowl. Katie Smith hosts an engaging conversation that weaves together personal stories and broader cultural debates, making it a thought-provoking listen for sports fans and general audiences alike.

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Chapters

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Eric Marante's Story of Resilience

1:12 to 2:50

Exploration of Eric Marante's journey from pain to purpose through boxing.

“Hello, I'm Katie Smith and welcome along to the documentary from the BBC World Service.”

Super Bowl 60 and Its Cultural Impact

2:50 to 4:25

Discussion on the significance of Super Bowl 60 and its cultural context.

“Our version of our way was with a sailboat in the Grenadines on a deserted island with no clothes on.”

Players' Perspectives and Dreams

4:25 to 5:36

Insights from Patriots players about their dreams and familial connections to the Super Bowl.

“from debate about the adverts air during the game to the musical extravaganza that is the halftime show the super bowl is a significant cultural as well as sporting moment but still always with the players at its core.”

Leonard Russell's Journey in the NFL

5:36 to 7:30

Leonard Russell recounts his journey from a promising rookie to his struggles.

“having been a first-round pick for the Patriots.”

The Rise and Fall of Leonard Russell

7:30 to 11:04

A deeper look into Leonard's struggles with confidence and personal challenges during his career.

“The New England Patriots have selected Leonard Russell, running back from Arizona State.”

Controversies Surrounding the Halftime Show

11:04 to 12:25

Discussion on Bad Bunny's halftime performance and the political implications.

“The Super Bowl halftime show always attracts the largest annual TV audience here in the US.”

Fan Reactions to the Halftime Show

12:25 to 14:00

Exploration of fans' mixed feelings about the halftime show and its cultural relevance.

“I think Bad Bunny understands that and I think he'll have a great performance.”

Cultural Significance of the Super Bowl

14:00 to 14:37

Learn about the cultural importance of the Super Bowl and its impact on communities.

“You know, even if it is in Spanish, the thing is, majority of our country, especially down here in the southern states or the southern western states, it is another predominantly Mexican.”

Super Bowl Commercial Trivia

14:51 to 15:36

Test your knowledge on iconic Super Bowl commercials from the past.

“And this time it's on your knowledge of iconic Super Bowl commercials, because there have been some great and memorable ones over the years.”

Leonard Russell's Rise to Fame

15:36 to 16:06

Discover the early career and challenges faced by Leonard Russell.

“In San Francisco, I'm Katie Smith with Not By The Playbook from the BBC World Service.”
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The Struggle With Addiction

16:06 to 18:31

Explore Leonard's battle with addiction and its impact on his life.

“But first, back to the restaurant where I met former New England patriot Leonard Russell on the brink of stardom.”

Hitting Rock Bottom

18:31 to 20:40

Hear about Leonard's lowest moments and how addiction took over.

“because, again, I was spending a lot of it on drugs at the time.”

The Consequences of Addiction

20:40 to 21:16

Leonard shares the repercussions of his addiction on family and relationships.

“Tried to come back home like nothing had happened.”

The Voice of the Franchise

21:16 to 24:46

Learn about the role of stadium announcers and Jamie Coffey's experience.

“Leonard had hit rock bottom but that's the thing about addiction knowing you need to change and being able to do it are two very different things.”

The Legacy of Fighters

25:13 to 28:00

A story of resilience and purpose through the lens of Eric Marante's experiences.

“Age 21, he found himself with a squad stationed on a bridge in Iraq.”

A Journey from Despair to Hope

28:00 to 31:26

Learn about the personal journey of overcoming addiction and finding hope.

“I was just, that's when I was depressed.”

Understanding Recovery and Faith

31:26 to 33:58

Explore the role of faith and community in the recovery process.

“and, you know, and in the chapel and in the Bible study classes and all the things that we do at the Salvation Army, counseling, spiritual and the drug and alcohol counselors.”

The Significance of Super Bowl Rings

33:58 to 38:30

Discover the history and meaning behind Super Bowl rings.

“I saw the Lord at work in my life in a way to where I started to believe that he was real.”

The Duality of NFL Life

39:56 to 42:02

Understand the challenges faced by NFL players off the field.

“From the BBC World Service, I'm Katie Smith in San Francisco for a not-by-the-playbook Super Bowl special.”

Navigating Life After Football

42:02 to 44:29

Discover the personal journey of navigating life after a successful football career.

“It was something I'd been doing since I was 10 years old and then in high school.”

The Role of Family in Recovery

44:30 to 46:48

Understand the importance of family support in the journey of recovery and personal change.

“We talk a lot about toxic masculinity, but for your average Joe, how do you navigate when you need to be aggressive and assertive, but then also how you need to be a nurturer?”

Lessons from the Salvation Army

46:49 to 50:47

Learn how the Salvation Army played a pivotal role in preparing for life beyond addiction.

“But that was the integral part of my recovery too, because that's when I realized that how serious I was about staying clean.”

The Unifying Power of the Super Bowl

50:48 to 52:30

Explore how the Super Bowl serves as a cultural touchstone amidst division.

“For that conversation with my wife, the Salvation Army prepared me for that.”
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0:00This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK.

0:30World Service. Listen now wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Eric Marante had always been a fighter. Age 21, he found himself with a squad stationed on a bridge in Iraq. On the morning of April 21st, 2007, a truck packed with 3 ,000 pounds of explosives was detonated just a few feet below them. This is a story about a man who turned pain into purpose. Therapy for me is being in the boxing ring. It's just good for your soul, good for your body. This is season four of Legacy, Defiant. Search Defiant Legacy wherever you get your podcasts.

1:16Hello, I'm Katie Smith and welcome along to the documentary from the BBC World Service. I'm in California for Super Bowl 60 with a bonus episode of the podcast I host, not by the playbook, which you can find more of wherever you found this podcast. I speak to people who've overcome remarkable challenges, like former NFL Rookie of the Year Leonard Russell, who reached the very top and then lost everything to addiction. He found redemption, though, and recovery, and now guides others through that difficult journey.

1:55San Francisco. this undulating city of steve hills and trolley buses the city famous for its golden gate bridge and for alcatraz the prison you can't escape from a city of contrast a hub of counterculture it was here exactly 70 years ago the beat poet alan ginsburg pushed back against the mainstream defied to be different, and published his controversial poem, Howl. I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness. And nobody knows that better than former Patriot Rookie of the Year, Leonard Russell. I started to lose things. First thing went was the house. You know, lost that job, separated from my wife at the time because she had had enough hanging around people that I normally wouldn't hang around with.

2:46And I didn't know how to stop that cycle. I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving, hysterical, naked. Our version of our way was with a sailboat in the Grenadines on a deserted island with no clothes on. Our boat captain had his boxers on and his sailing cap and it was beautiful and there was no stress. And no clothes. No clothes. No wedding dress.

3:19Former NFL star Steve Wright and wife Lizzie on navigating the difficulties of being aggressive on the pitch and human off it. Super Bowl 60 is in town, where the Seahawks of Seattle meet the Patriots from New England. That's going to do it! The Seahawks soar to Super Bowl 60! As Ellis runs after him, and May got there! Drake May sends New England to the Super Bowl. This is not by the playbook. From the BBC World Service with me, Katie Smith, here in San Francisco. Going behind the scenes with the people who make the Super Bowl so special. Every single one of these rings is handcrafted, custom made for that individual.

4:06It's personalized. It does take us a little bit of time to put 209 diamonds on a ring by hand. Touchdown. That's normally how they do it, isn't it? Touchdown, Katie Smith. So join me as we explore the sporting and cultural phenomenon of the Super Bowl. San Francisco edition.

4:40from debate about the adverts air during the game to the musical extravaganza that is the halftime show the super bowl is a significant cultural as well as sporting moment but still always with the players at its core. Fighting the noise and the excitement of the city here on opening night, the event that kicks off the Super Bowl week, I caught up with a couple of Patriots players. My friends and family are all very excited. My granddad actually played in the first two Super Bowls. He's not with us anymore, but definitely now it's pretty cool to be able to go. I mean, I'm guessing you'll be thinking about him on Sunday, right?

5:20Yeah, absolutely. This is big for not just the Patriot family, but for my family in general. All my siblings and I, we've dreamt of this day and come Sunday, it's just going to be a reality. Jelani Tavai and Ben Brown about to live out the dream of millions. But in 1991, it was Leonard Russell who was living that very same dream, having been a first-round pick for the Patriots. I'm meeting him for a bite to eat. Leonard! Hello! Oh, my God! Hey, Katie! Oh, it's so lovely to meet you. How are you today? Yeah, I like the very start. Well, come along. We've got a table if you want to come and join us.

6:04Leonard's an imposing presence, and yet sat opposite him, his almost impossibly broad shoulders snug in a pristine suit and tie. He speaks with delicacy. It's difficult to marry the man sitting here, gentle and softly spoken with the player who on the field was feared so much. In fact in his first season Leonard a running back became the league's offensive rookie of the year. I grew up in Long Beach California you know I had both my parents in the home there was a lot of love I grew up with two older sisters you know my parents were very disciplined in how I raised that and how they raised us.

6:42So I had really wonderful examples of what love and discipline and God looked like. I started playing football at a very young age. It was one of my dad's love. He had a love for the game and he wanted to introduce me to it. But I also believe, Katie, that he wanted to put me in something that kind of kept me from getting in trouble. You know, we grew up in a community at that time where, you know, there were drugs, there were things, and there were some decisions that you had to make growing up. And so my parents kind of made that decision for us. I always would dream that I would play in the NFL and never thought I could get there, but it didn't really start becoming a reality until, you know, college or junior college.

7:24And then once I got there, yes, that for me, right, I had reached the pinnacle of what I had always dreamed about Dora, which was playing in the NFL. This is the 14th overall pick. New England would be picking somebody. The New England Patriots have selected Leonard Russell, running back from Arizona State. The New England Patriots need it. That draft day, it must be so surreal for, you know, relatively young guys coming together. The pressure, the anticipation, the excitement of everything being on the line, but being about to change and most likely change in a really positive way. It is. You know, my family was there with me during the draft.

8:01It was truly an accomplishment, not only for me, but for my family, because my family had put a lot of effort into getting me there. You know, they kept me away from a lot of things that could have been a distraction and, you know, kind of kept me on the right path. And so for me and my family to be there at that time, it was an accomplishment and a victory for us all. Leonard Russell is a junior. You see the size, you see the big playability, combination of raw power and breakaway speed that he brings your offense. But you know what, Katie, for me, like the competitive part, the preparation, you know, I grew up doing it.

8:38So I understood how to compete. I understood the competitive nature. I understood how to train. You know, I had purpose and drive at that time and I was motivated in what I did. my dad was at every game, at every practice. He wouldn't let me walk home at times just to make sure I didn't get caught up in anything like that. And so just the sacrifice of the family and other coaches that was there from Pop Warner all the way up to junior college and then in college was, you know, it was amazing. So I was prepared for that part of it. You give to Russell to the left, driving it down, down, down, and in, touchdown, Leonard Russell.

9:16His second of the game on a three-yard run. Give us to Russell, turning it to the right. Gets one block at the five and into the end zone. Touchdown, Leonard Russell. Did you feel like your self-esteem matched the position you were in at that point? Because we have this idea of football players being so confident. You know, they're what everybody else wants to be. And you talked about being such a quiet, reserved sort of person as you grew up. Did you feel like you were able to get more confident? Not really. And it's kind of strange to say, but I was more of an introvert. I don't think that I enjoyed the game as much as I should have when I was playing it.

9:55Looking back on it now, I enjoyed the camaraderie. I enjoyed hanging out with the guys in the locker room. You know, I enjoyed the process. Looking back, I never, you know, I don't think I really enjoyed it as much as I should have, you know, especially with what I had accomplished. Named rookie of the year by the Associated Press in 1991, Russell is widely regarded as potentially one of the best runners in the league. So I was still shy because I am by nature and I still am now. Right. And so I was the same way in the NFL. I didn't hang out with a lot of people. I wasn't sad that I was there or not like that.

10:32I just, you know, just by nature, I'm a shy guy. I wasn't really outspoken. I wasn't a guy that you would see in the media at that time. you know, or even in front of a microphone, right? I would shy away from that, try to get out of the locker room before they even asked me any questions, because that's just how it was. Under Parcell's guidance, Russell's possibilities should become realities. It's Russell to the right, down in, touchdown, Leonard Russell. With the world at his feet, Leonard was conquering the NFL. And we're going to return to his story a little later, as it all began to slip away.

11:17The Super Bowl halftime show always attracts the largest annual TV audience here in the US. And this year, the main performer is Bad Bunny, a Puerto Rican artist who's brought Spanish-speaking rap to the mainstream.

11:40Mommy, Holly. His appearance, though, has sparked debate and drawn the NFL into something they do everything to avoid. Politics. The NFL are trying to balance their desire to expand the game to new, diverse markets and younger fans while still keeping its core audience in middle America happy. So let's hear from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. Listen, Benning is one of the greatest artists in the world. And that's one of the reasons we chose him. But the other reason is he understood the platform he was on and that this platform is to use to unite people and to be able to bring people together with their creativity, with their talents, and to be able to use this moment to do that.

12:24And I think artists in the past have done that. I think Bad Bunny understands that and I think he'll have a great performance. That hasn't appeased everybody, though. Turning Point USA, an organisation promoting conservative values, is airing what they're calling an alternative patriotic concert entitled the All-American Halftime Show. So what do fans here think? Now, are you guys fans of the halftime show? No way. If we're in the United States, you need to speak English. Our halftime show should not be in Spanish. So what about the argument that it's opening up to new audiences and big populace around the world?

13:04Yeah, I would expect if I'm in another country, I'm going to learn the language of that. So I would still, I don't believe in this diversity and this inclusion. You know what, make it happen. Go, be a part, get involved in football. You don't need somebody speaking another language to bring in a different demographics. I'm so against it. It's become a political thing. And then at the Grammy night, for the guy who's going to be at halftime to have a political statement. So wrong. So wrong. Does it worry you that football's getting too political? It has been. Right. We're talking about the halftime show, Bad Bunny, this year.

13:38Tell me your thoughts. Are you fans? He's got some decent music, you know what I mean? He'll probably get the crowd moving, so good for him. And we're going to expect him to be singing in Spanish because that's what he always does. There's been a bit of controversy about that, whether he should be singing in English. Do you guys care? Well, we are from Latin descent, so of course, you know, We finally got somebody that's going to be on the front stage singing loud and clear. You know, even if it is in Spanish, the thing is, majority of our country, especially down here in the southern states or the southern western states, it is another predominantly Mexican.

14:11So we want them to, you know, to showcase our culture, showcase what our people are about. You know, it's all about peace and unity out here. Ay, ha, ay, ay, ay. Now, it's not just the halftime show that gets people talking. The television adverts aired between plays are legendary. The prime slots this year will cost just a cool$10 million for 30 seconds. Talking of which, it's time for us to stop for our commercial break. But I can assure you, we don't charge nearly as much.

14:50Hi, producer Joel here, and as promised, I won't be charging you, but I will be testing you. And this time it's on your knowledge of iconic Super Bowl commercials, because there have been some great and memorable ones over the years. One of the most famous came back in 1984 at Super Bowl XVIII when Apple unveiled their Macintosh computer. But do you know which acclaimed director masterminded the 60-second dystopian vision, which is still considered one of the best commercials of all time? Was it A, Steven Spielberg, B, Ridley Scott or C, Quentin Tarantino? Stay tuned. I'll be back later with the author.

15:47In San Francisco, I'm Katie Smith with Not By The Playbook from the BBC World Service. We're here for Super Bowl 60. And whoever wins won't get a medal, but a ring. We're going to hear from the jewellers tasked with making the winner's bling ring. But first, back to the restaurant where I met former New England patriot Leonard Russell on the brink of stardom. The first round pick had won the Offensive Rookie of the Year award in 1991. But scratched below the surface and it turned out Leonard's life was built on shifting sands. And he was about to sink. A quiet, reserved man in a loud world that demanded confidence.

16:32He sought to be a different person. And one night, he was introduced to cocaine. I was with some teammates and I tried it. And I remember by the time we got to the restaurant, which turned into a nightclub, I wanted more. It changed me, right? It put me in a different mind space, head space, if you would say. That's what some people say. It put me in a different headspace. I felt different. I felt like I was able to hold a conversation and talk to people and keep up with the conversation. That's that's what it did for me. But it but it had a negative effect on me as soon as I used it, because the very next day I was late going into practice.

17:17But I was like, yeah, where can I get some more of that? Um, third year, um, I got into an altercation that I should have walked away from, but I didn't because I was juicing. And, and so I, I pursued it and got stopped. Right. And within the hospital, got myself together and had a great year that year. I was, you know, had over a thousand yards that, that year, but because I stopped using, I put it away because I'm like, man, what are you doing? Right. I'm here. I am. And I had a great coach at that time, Bill Parcells. And he, you You know, he was like, look, he came in and he talked to me and he was like, if you want to play for me, whatever you're doing, you got to stop.

17:55Talk to my parents at that time. And so I got out the hospital and rehabbed and had a really great year. But I still hadn't treated my disease at all. No accountability for that other than, OK, I got to stop. Right. Just trying to willpower my way through it. But in our disease, you can't do that. Right. Lena's career, which could have seen him in the Hall of Fame, petered out. But it wasn't until after he'd hung up his cleats that addiction really began to take over.

18:30You know, I hadn't really did a whole lot financially with my money when I was playing because, again, I was spending a lot of it on drugs at the time. but now I have an addiction to an expensive drug, right? So I started to lose things, right? You know, the first thing went was the house and still doing drugs, right? You know, still kind of hiding it or thinking I was hiding it from my family, but I think my wife knew. But when it really got bad, it's probably in 2015 is where it really got bad. Can you describe what that was like? It was a dark place.

19:15My boss called me on camera using, you know, lost that job, sleeping in my car. Kind of separated from my wife at the time because of what I was doing. She decided that she had had enough. You know, I've been with my wife since high school. So we've been together for years and she had seen me on this roller coaster for years, hanging around people that I normally wouldn't hang around with, going in rooms that I normally wouldn't go in, sleeping in hotels, youthing all night. You know, my family would tell me, my mom, my wife, my kids, everybody who knew me, but I just couldn't see it, right? And I didn't know how to stop that cycle.

19:55I remember I went to Vegas one day by myself, didn't really plan on coming. I hadn't really planned on coming back. I don't know what I went down there for or what I was doing, but I just got in my car and drove to Vegas and was in a hotel for about three or four days down there. Didn't answer the phone. Nobody knew where I was at. And that's when I knew that they were the guy because there was things that I was doing that I probably shouldn't have still be alive. Asking people for stuff that I didn't know, drugs, taking stuff that I didn't know what it was. And, you know, I don't know how, but I made it back down here, driving just by the grace of God.

20:35I know that now, but, um, and I still wasn't done, right? Still wasn't done. Tried to come back home like nothing had happened. And me and my wife got into an altercation and I slapped her. That was, that was that, you know, I had never put my hand on my wife before. That was the lowest, right? Um, because my son was there, you know, and he was 16 at the time and he saw it and um you know and I'm glad he was there because it didn't go further than what it could have had he not been there it was just you know and then I realized that something wasn't right and um so I got I got arrested and went to jail.

21:16Leonard had hit rock bottom but that's the thing about addiction knowing you need to change and being able to do it are two very different things.

21:41One of the unsung heroes of any game is the stadium announcer. They're effectively the voice of the franchise, whipping up the atmosphere and also keeping fans informed of exactly what's happening in the game. Well, Jamie Coffey knows how much effort it all takes. She's a regular stadium announcer for the 49ers. There's a lot of prep that goes into it prior to game day. Most of that is looking at rosters, pronunciations of names. If there's an opportunity to connect with someone from the team ahead of the event itself, I will reach out. If not, I find them like day of, as soon as I get to the venue, I will find someone from the team and literally read through every name and tell them, Stop me if I say it wrong and I'll have them say it and I'll write it phonetically and then we'll go through it again.

22:31Number 10, Zane Gonzalez kicking off. Obviously, it's important to know the rules of whatever sport you're announcing before you do it. The hardest sport to announce that to me is is the most involved. And it's while you're in it is American football. If you don't have good spotters telling you what's happening on offense and defense, you are in a world of hurt. They have the most important job is your spotter when it comes to American football. They are literally watching everything. So with American football, we are announcing, you know, the quarterback, if they handed it off, who they handed it off to, how many yards they picked up, what down it is.

23:12It is the hands down most complicated sport that you can announce to do something like the Super Bowl would be a dream. It does not feel like work at all. It is just such a joy to do. And I love sports. I love seeing people compete at the highest level. And it makes me want to do better for them because I feel like they deserve the best. That's why I'm very particular on getting names right and making sure my calls are accurate. In a role dominated by men, Jamie's the first woman to take responsibility for stadium announcing in the NFL. You kind of have to have thick skin. I know when I first started in this industry with social media, you'd go on and you'd read all the comments and just, I'd say, avoid any social media because it's just, it can be ugly.

24:02But for the most part, it's pretty positive. It's funny to me that people even worry about gender. Do they sound good or do they not sound good? Because there's men that don't sound good. Just because you're a man does not make you good. It's a predominantly male field. So I think people are used to hearing a male voice. So I don't have a higher pitched female voice. I enunciate. I probably would say it's one of my better qualities, my voice. But I can't sing. So don't ask me to sing. Jamie Coffey, stadium announcer and pioneer, hoping one day to be the voice of the Super Bowl.

24:46Today we are spending trivians on war and peanuts on peace. With the people shaping our world. You're making decisions that will have long-term consequences for the levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Wind power in the United States has been subsidised for 33 years. Solar for 25 years, that's enough! The interview from the BBC World Service. Listen now wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Eric Marante had always been a fighter. Age 21, he found himself with a squad stationed on a bridge in Iraq. On the morning of April 21st, 2007, a truck packed with 3 ,000 pounds of explosives was detonated just a few feet below them.

25:32This is a story about a man who turned pain into purpose. Therapy for me is being in the boxing ring. It's just good for your soul, good for your body. This is season four of Legacy. Defiant. Search Defiant Legacy wherever you get your podcasts. I am Nina Khrushcheva, the great-granddaughter of Nikita Khrushchev, the leader of the Soviet Union in 1962. And I'm Max Kennedy, the nephew of U.S. President John F. Kennedy. We explore what was a terrifying moment in history. The story of the Cuban Missile Crisis. How close the world came to nuclear war. And what they had to do to pull it back from the brink.

26:15The bomb, Kennedy and Khrushchev. All episodes available now, wherever you get your BBC podcasts.

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26:31Welcome to San Francisco, ahead of Super Bowl XVI. This is a Not By The Playbook special with me, Katie Smith, from the BBC World Service. And the Golden City is bustling with excitement for the big game. The sheer power, the aggression, the skill that will be on show. And a little later, we're going to hear from the former NFL player Steve Wright, who, like all football stars, had a constant battle between becoming a monster on the field and being a human away from it. Turning into a psycho killer in the locker room, getting ready to go out to play a game. And then when you come out, then you're asked to hold a baby and take pictures and give everybody hugs and kisses.

27:16And I'm still sweating from being in a three hour fistfight. So it's, yeah, the economy of turning it on and off is really draining. Before that, though, we left former offensive rookie of the year, Leonard Russell, fighting his own demons. Destitute in jail, his addiction had stripped him of his career, his house, and now his family.

27:52It's funny how when you're still at that lowest point, I'm still not surrendering yet. I hadn't surrendered yet. I was just, that's when I was depressed. I was suicidal, didn't want to live. You know, I just realized that I couldn't understand how my life had got to where it was and how I let it get to, how I let it get there. You know, I was 46 years old and I'm sitting in the jail cell and, you know, nobody was picking up no phones. and I didn't even have the strength to make no phone calls and call nobody. So I sat in the county jail for a month before I was court ordered to go to the Salvation Army.

28:41You know, I just never thought it would happen to me, right? You know, I understood. And I had heard stories, but, you know, just in passing, hey, you know, you might get offered this, don't do this. You know, I grew up in a, in a, in a tough neighborhood. So I seen alcoholism. I seen addiction. I seen what drugs can do to a person. And I just never thought that that was my story. Right. You know, I always just thought that it was a recreational thing. I was having fun with it, but didn't realize the whole time how it was affecting me, how it was affecting my family. And then, um, and then understand the nature of the disease, right?

29:22When you talk about that, like something that no matter how much you want to control, you can't, right? It's like having an allergy to something. If you, if you take, take it, touch it or, or use it, you're going to, the reaction is going to happen no matter how strong willed you are. It's going to happen because, because that's just how it affects extra body. That's what drugs was to me, right? It was that allergy that I knew, I knew that it was having an effect on me, but once I put it in my body, there was no control in how I used it, right? It was like, okay, because there was always a plan.

30:01Like I always had a plan, like whenever I use that, okay, I'm just going to do this and be okay and not use no more, right? I'm only going to buy a little bit so I can get up in the morning. I'm only going to buy a little bit so I can get through my day at work. I'm only going to buy a little bit so I can feel better, but never thinking that that little bit was going to turn into three days, four days, right? I never thought that because I didn't understand the allergic reaction that my body was having to it and that phenomenon craving, that obsession where I couldn't turn it off. And so I had to have more.

30:36Right. And the only thing that would stop it was just being really, really tired after a three or four day binge to where, you know, I just fell asleep and then slept for two, three days and then get right back at it. Right. So I wasn't controlling it. It was controlling me, but I always thought I had control over it. But I didn't learn all of this until I until I got to the Salvation Army and and the steps that we have to take and and understanding that I wasn't alone. That was the biggest part. Right. Because I still thought I was a failure being in a rehab. When I looked at my life at 46 years old, walking into a rehab, I still felt like, man, it was still there was hope, but there was how did you get here?

31:26right like you know and you look around and because you don't you haven't yet made a connection yet you're looking around and you're thinking you know i'm not like none of these people you know what i mean and and and they're it's not they're not going to understand me and and there were still things really dark things that i had never said before And I didn't feel like I ever could say until, you know, I just just sat still and then just started to go into the rooms of A.A. and N.A. and, you know, and in the chapel and in the Bible study classes and all the things that we do at the Salvation Army, counseling, spiritual and the drug and alcohol counselors.

32:12And so just trusting God that he had me in a place where he was saying, OK, this is your opportunity. You know, a second chance. Right. You know, second, third and fourth chance for a lot of us. Right. But for me, it was it was a second chance. Right. Because I didn't think that I would I could recover. I couldn't. I want to. And thank God it's a six month program because. You know, for the first couple of months, I was just healing, trying to forgive myself. I was really trying to process, man, can I even live without drugs? Can I live my life without this thing, man? Because for over the last 25 years, it was a part of my life.

32:59So really, how can I do this, right? And I didn't know, and I hoped, right? And I believed in God, but I still hadn't developed that relationship. and it wasn't until I saw myself in that jail cell and then that depressed mode where I just said okay Lord if you don't help me I don't know what I'm gonna do but I knew who God was because I was raised in the church so I knew who to call on and I said I just just help me right um whatever whatever it is that you want me to do I'll do wherever you want me to go I'll go but I can't keep doing this and I don't know how to stop and that was my prayer

33:42so when you got to the Salvation Army recovery program did you have any hope Leonard that it it was going to turn around at that point well I had yeah I had hope that was the only thing that was keeping me going it was just hope that I could change um you know I in jail I kind of I saw the Lord at work in my life in a way to where I started to believe that he was real. And that's when I realized that in order for me to do anything or to get better, I needed him in my life. Leonard was on the long road to recovery. But would he ever be able to convince himself and his family that he was truly able to change?

34:46Now, whichever team wins the Super Bowl will not only receive the Vince Lombardi trophy and have a homecoming parade, they'll also get their hands on a Super Bowl ring. But why a ring and not a medal? Well, Chris Poitras is from Jostens, the jewelers who've made the vast majority of those Super Bowl rings. You know, I was watching some of the NFL football games on television, and all the broadcasters that had won Super Bowls all had their Super Bowl ring on. And for them, it's their trophy, and they get to carry that trophy forever. So, you know, a medal is very nice, but I don't see any athletes wearing medals or anything on television.

35:27So this is an opportunity for them to keep that championship that is so special and means so much to them, close to them at all times. These rings are priceless. You know, there is no value that you can put on these rings. You know, they are made of gold and diamonds. There are not a lot of folks that get to put these rings on their hand and hold them forever. So their opportunity to do so, it really is, it's impossible to put a value against these rings. So what about the designs on the rings themselves? Who decides what imagery is used? Well, the championship ring design changes every year. It's particular to the team that wins the championship.

36:03So each year you try to take the entire season and put it into one design that would celebrate everything that happened. Kind of commemorate the year from a jewelry perspective and with diamonds and logos. And we present those to the ownership groups. And then they would share with us different things that we may not know about what was important to them or important to the team or individuals in the organization. We take really about an eight-week process. We'll manufacture all of the rings, and then they give those as mementos to those players to wear for forever. When they open the box, that was the first time that anyone would have seen the design of the championship ring.

36:45Every single one of these rings is handcrafted, custom made for that individual. It does take us a little bit of time to put 209 diamonds on a ring individually by hands. So as we approach the 60th Super Bowl, are the rings today made with that added bit of bling? Roughly 100 grams of both. That's a fairly large ring. The first Super Bowl ring for Vince Lombardi in the Packers was 42 grams. So they have sure grown over time, as have the athletes, that the growth of the ring has come more from the necessity of wanting to get more elements onto the ring itself. You know, that the first Super Bowl ring had one one one carat diamond at the top of the ring to signify the first Super Bowl championship.

37:36And then, as I mentioned, the athletes obviously have gotten larger over time. So when you see these athletes with these rings on now, even though they're really big, they don't look as large as they would on myself or you. William, the Refrigerator Perry, he actually has the largest Super Bowl ring ever made in ring size and is actually a size 25. So it is absolutely enormous. I can put two of my rings inside of his one ring. So it was the 1985 ring for the Chicago Bears. The remarkable fingers of the William the Refrigerator Perry, as described by Chris Poitras from Jewelers Jostens, who on Monday, while they might just have an order placed for 65 or so Super Bowl rings, the question, though, will it be for the Pats or the Seahawks?

38:29Now, as mentioned, the TV adverts on Super Bowl Sunday are in the region of$10 million for 30 seconds. Expect to see Matthew McConaughey endorsing a food delivery app, Kylie Jenner throwing her weight behind a betting platform and Emma Stone flogging a website building service. Well, it's time for our ad break now and, sorry, I hate to admit, we're not quite as star-studded.

38:57Hey, it's producer Joel here in San Francisco and strangely, no one's asked me to be involved in their Super Bowl commercial this year Must be an oversight Anyway, a little earlier I asked you about one of the most iconic Super Bowl adverts of all time as Apple unveiled their Macintosh computer in 1984 But who directed that famous commercial? Was it A, Steven Spielberg, B, Ridley Scott or C, Quentin Tarantino? Well, the answer is B, Ridley Scott. And with around$3.5 million worth of Macintoshes sold just after the advert, it was considered a roaring success and is still remembered as one of the most iconic Super Bowl commercials in history.

39:56From the BBC World Service, I'm Katie Smith in San Francisco for a not-by-the-playbook Super Bowl special. You get the bench. Yeah, I know, right? The bench. The Gabriel stands here. Yeah, this beach is fabulous. Steve and Lizzie Wright decided to move down the coast when wildfires hit their neighbourhood in L.A. and they've settled somewhere pretty spectacular. We really love this area. It's more mellow than LA. I love it. Is it? That's good. Now in his 60s, Steve was the archetypal NFL star. Six foot, six inches and 285 pounds of muscle and pure aggression. So how do you balance the monster on the field with the man off it?

40:43Well, Lizzie and Steve have invited us to their Californian home to watch the sunset and tell us about the book they've decided to write together, Aggressively Human. Turning into a psycho killer in the locker room, getting ready to go out to play a game. And then when you come out, then you're asked to hold a baby and take pictures and give everybody hugs and kisses. And I'm still sweating from being in a three-hour fistfight. So it's, yeah, the economy of turning it on and off is really draining. And that's actually what drove me to my retirement after 11 years. It was just so mentally draining.

41:25I was more mentally tired than physically. The mindset of having to take me as I am right now, who I always am, to just turning into a killer. I could turn it on. I had a whole ritual where I would look in the mirror and I'd sit there three hours before the game and just work yourself into a crazy. We'd be wearing headphones and listen to Metallica and pounding coffee. And game time was just, you were a loony tune. I'd look in the mirror on the way out of the locker room for a game and I would honestly not recognize myself. I just looked like an angry killer. Did you like who you were? Yeah, great question.

42:07And yes, I did. I loved getting to that point. It was something I'd been doing since I was 10 years old and then in high school. And, you know, you develop that how to turn it on and off more as you go through college. And then all those years of football, it just wore you out. Couldn't wait to get away from all the football players. All the same thing. You're showering, you're flying, you're eating, you're living everything together all the time. the same mentality of guys, of the conversations, of let's go get a beer. And it just got old and I wanted something more. So it was super smooth and easy for me.

42:46Which is great to hear, but it's not actually the tale that we normally hear, is it? We often hear about the guys suddenly losing all sense of structure and perspective. But that's what everybody wants to hear. They don't really look for good stories. It's just like, you know, it's the news. You stop when you want to see a car crash. Everybody slows down to see a car crash. The bad stories sell, right? That story is bad stories. They want to see guys go down, especially when they've been at the peak, you know, and they've been in the NFL. They've won Super Bowl rings. And now look at that fat guy.

43:21Look at him. He's a loser. I didn't have a lot of downturns, you know, a lot of issues. And so it's an upbeat, thinking positive, helping each other. being filled with humanity to do things to help others. And that's kind of the way I've led my life. And Lizzie's on the same path. So we just decided one night, let's just write my story. Yeah. And she took off. What was fun about Steve's story is he's one of those people who the stars have aligned often in his life. And that doesn't mean he didn't work hard for everything he got, but he has had good fortune. And so it was a fun story to write. Why I wanted to write his story was not only to document it all and really have that for people to enjoy.

44:08And I call it like a fun men's beach read. And a lot of guys have been like, oh, this just was a fun ride. But there was a bigger issue that I wanted to tackle in writing the book, which is I saw in Steve the ability to navigate masculinity in a way that as a culture, we're trying to figure it out. kind of trying to sort through on the pendulum of what is healthy masculinity. We talk a lot about toxic masculinity, but for your average Joe, how do you navigate when you need to be aggressive and assertive, but then also how you need to be a nurturer? And so what I saw in Steve, which was to me quite unique, is at least physically a very aggressive, physically dominant man who is an incredibly gentle nurturing soul so to me he was almost like this anomaly that I wanted to dissect and how did he toggle on that spectrum and land in a place where he can exert you know that either side when he needs it but fall back to his center.

45:19Steve Wright and his wife and author Lizzie, who wrote the book Aggressively Human. And the contrast between Steve's journey and the former patriot Leonard Russell's is stark. But ultimately, they've arrived at pretty similar destinations. Lives of contentment, peace and purpose. For Leonard, that came about after finding the help and guidance of the Salvation Army whilst in prison. It meant a return to a happy, fulfilling life, proving to his loved ones, and especially to his wife, he was capable of meaningful and lasting change. She's always been a light in my life, right? Strong, supportive when she needed to be, and when she needed to let go, she understood that, and she was strong enough to do it.

46:06You know, she's like the accountability that I need every day. You know, I can be honest with her about how I'm feeling and about, you know, whatever it is that I'm going through. She was just the person that kept the family intact for years. You know, and it takes a strong woman to do that, to stick around because we had kids. And because I think she saw something in me early that she knew that the person that I was becoming was not the man that she married and the man that she had fell in love with. And I think she was just waiting for that person. So her faith kept her strong in that when I didn't have enough faith for us.

46:43She had enough faith for both of us. she kept our family together. And then when she needed to let go, she did. But that was the integral part of my recovery too, because that's when I realized that how serious I was about staying clean. Because when she told me that she needed to let go and she needed a divorce, I didn't know at the time until it happened that I would be okay, even if I didn't get her back, right? Because I understood why she needed to let go. You know, in a program, we talk about if I'm not the problem, there is no solution. Right? And so I always had to see my part in it. So I understood when she needed to let go that I thought my part in it.

47:22And I was able to not deceive her or try to convince her that I was okay. I had to just let her go. Right? But be honest with her about I didn't want that to happen, but I understood and knew why it had to happen. And I'm proud of her for doing it. Right? Because I think she had to see how committed and serious I was about recovery and about changing. Right. You know, and it's just through the grace of God that that didn't happen until after I had been in the program for over seven months. Right. I don't know what I would have there if she would have came to me and said that a month in my recovery.

47:59And maybe I would have said, oh, well, why do this? If I'm not getting this, then why do this? And my sponsor said something to me. He was like, why are you in recovery? Why do you want to get clean? I said, because I want to get my family back. I want to get my wife back. And I want to be the person I was before I started using. And I never forget that he said, well, what happens if she don't come back? And why would you want to be the person you were before you started using that person started using? And so things like that to where a recovery at the Salvation Army to where I wouldn't have got that nowhere else.

48:36Right. It's just it's just those things when you're around people who understand the disease, when you're around people who know a little bit more about it than you do and they've heard it all and seen it all. And so it just helped me change how I was thinking about recovery. And he said, if you do this, you got to do it for you because you can stay clean for them. You can stop you for them. Right. So what happens if your wife don't come back? What are you going to do? Right. And then you have to find out about that person that you were and what made that person want to pick him to start using drugs after he was NFL Ricky of the Year.

49:12And that's where the counseling came in, right? Where I could sit down and talk to somebody about the shyness and maybe the low self-esteem and maybe not being okay. That's where picking up the Bible and learning that God called us his masterpiece, right? So who am I to think any less of me if God is saying this about me, right? And so, you know, now I have to choose to believe that and I choose to believe that because I choose to want to be OK today. And then once I was able to forgive that person that started using. Right. And started to understand the steps that I needed to take towards recovery and then have the strength to be able to make a man, have the strength to be able to go tell people, you know, I'm sorry.

49:54And then be OK with however God give that back to me. Right. And so it's the Super Bowl weekend. And so when you think about it in these terms, here's what the Salvation Army was for me. Because in football, right, we're all going to watch the Super Bowl. And everybody out there is going to see this product on the field, right? And it's just these athletes and they're doing all these amazing things. But we only see the finished product. We don't see all the work they put in to get there. The year, the preparation, the months of preparation, all the ups and downs, and all the things that they go through to get to that point, we just see that finished product on the field and we go, wow, right?

50:36Well, that's what it is, right? I had to prepare, the Salvation Army prepared me for the game called life that I was going to have to live in once I got off the program. Everything that I did in there prepared me for what was to come, right? For that conversation with my wife, the Salvation Army prepared me for that. Going on and getting that job, you know, when I left the program, I'm going to Sober Living. Salvation Army prepared me for that. You know, I'm going to apologize and have to say I'm sorry to my kid and my parents and my son. Salvation Army prepared me for all those things, right?

51:08Through the Word of God, through the 12 Steps sponsorship, as far as giving back to the Salvation Army by helping out with what we do at the facility. All those things, you know, so it was just an opportunity for me to find out a little bit more about who I was, a little bit more about who God was and the nature of this disease that I was suffering from.

51:36As we leave the restaurant, Leonard offers me his hand and it envelops mine completely. It's enormous, almost as big as his heart. And if you've been impacted by Leonard's story, then there's health professionals you can speak to and organizations that can offer support. Details of help available in many countries can be found at Befrienders.org. The Super Bowl means different things to different people. It's estimated 80 % of the US population will sit down and watch a part of it. Maybe the game, maybe the adverts, or the halftime show. But in a time where America seems more divided than ever, the Super Bowl offers a snapshot into some of those national conversations.

52:22and an escape from them too. And a reminder through stories like Leonard's and like Steve's that there's plenty more that unites us than divides us. Right, it's time to enjoy the big game. So from me, Katie Smith, and producer Joel Hammer in San Francisco, and editor Matt Davies, it's Bye From Us. You've been listening to the documentary from the BBC World Service with me, Katie Smith. We've been in California with all the excitement ahead of the Super Bowl, the behind the scenes stories and inspirational tales from the players too. And if you've liked what you've heard, search for Not By The Playbook wherever you found this episode.

53:08Thank you very much for listening.

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Inspirational NFL stars Leonard Russell, Steve Wright, Jaime Coffee and Chris Poitras, COO of Jostens the jewellers who have made the vast majority of Super Bowl rings.

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