The Sarkozy affair

24 May 2026 · 57 min · 27 chapters

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In short

The BBC World Service documentary “The Sarkozy Affair” investigates allegations that Nicolas Sarkozy and his entourage secretly arranged with Libya’s Gaddafi regime to finance Sarkozy’s 2007 presidential campaign, centered on off-the-books meetings in Tripoli in late 2005 and later claims of cash transfers and a “quid pro quo” for Libya’s international rehabilitation. Sarkozy denies wrongdoing and says there is no proof.

Guests / key backgrounds

  • Fabrice Arfi: investigative journalist at Mediapart; spent ~15 years researching the Tripoli meetings and campaign-finance allegations.
  • Danielle Klein: whose brother (Jean-Pierre) died in the 1989 UTA Flight 772 bombing; later testified as a victim.
  • Melanie Oudsklin: Danielle’s niece; father died in the same bombing.
  • Christine Lagarde: served as Sarkozy’s finance minister in 2007–2011; later ECB president.
  • Alain Minc: long-time Sarkozy adviser (“Evening Visitor” at the Élysée); friend since 1986.
  • Andrew Hussey: writer on Modern France; comments on Sarkozy’s rise and public persona.
  • Ziad Takedin (via records/testimony): Lebanese fixer/middleman whose claims include suitcases of cash; later recanted in 2020.

Key claims and notable examples

  • Tripoli 2005: two unplanned meetings by high-ranking French officials with Abdullah Senoussi (convicted/linked to UTA and Lockerbie); prosecutors say these were moments a secret pact was forged.
  • 2007 campaign finances: allegations of undeclared cash; judges cite leftover high-denomination notes and disputed Libyan funding.
  • 2011–2012: Gaddafi’s son alleges Libya financed Sarkozy and will publish documents; later a hard drive archive and a contested 2006 document are used to support claims.
  • Court outcome: Sarkozy was convicted in 2025 for criminal conspiracy/foreign funding quid pro quo; sentenced to five years; he appeals.

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The Early Meetings in Tripoli

1:12 to 4:24

Explore the secretive meetings between French officials and Libyan terrorists.

“It's 2005 and we're in Tripoli, the capital of Libya.”

Sarkozy's Rise and Political Controversies

4:24 to 7:52

Learn about Sarkozy's political ascent and the scandals surrounding him.

“all the way to the one-time President of the Republic.”

The UTA Flight 772 Bombing

7:52 to 11:46

Understand the tragic bombing event that connects to Sarkozy's story.

“This story is so bonkers that I've always been amazed how few people outside of France have heard any of it.”

Sarkozy's Heroic Moment

11:46 to 14:05

Discover the dramatic hostage crisis that made Sarkozy a national hero.

“who were convicted in absentia by a court in 1999, have been on the run ever since.”

The Charismatic Showman: Sarkozy's Image

14:05 to 15:31

Explore how Sarkozy crafted his tough-guy image and its implications.

“What he was, he was a very good showman.”

A Controversial Meeting: Sarkozy and Gaddafi

15:32 to 18:18

Learn about Sarkozy's pivotal meeting with Gaddafi in Tripoli and its hidden agendas.

“you have to be a player on the world stage, not just at home.”

The Secrets Behind Diplomatic Meetings

18:19 to 20:34

Understand the clandestine nature of high-level meetings and their outcomes.

“A few days earlier, his right-hand man, a man called Claude Guéon, had already been to Tripoli.”

Sarkozy's Campaign Trail: Energy and Strategy

20:35 to 22:46

Discover Sarkozy's approach during his campaign rally in 2007 and its impact.

“for candidate Nicolas Sarkozy in a few weeks he'll face off against his socialist rival Ségolène Royal in the presidential election at the rally there are 15 ,000 people, thousands of French flags.”

Facing Crisis: Sarkozy's Early Presidency

22:47 to 24:51

Analyze Sarkozy's actions during the financial crisis and his leadership style.

“The French people have decided Nicolas Sarkozy will succeed Jacques Chirac to become France's next president.”

Campaign Financing Controversies

24:52 to 27:33

Examine the allegations surrounding the financing of Sarkozy's 2007 campaign.

“So this is, I think it's a side of him that not so many people know about, but I've seen it several times.”
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The Sarkozy Affair Begins

29:42 to 31:29

Introduction of key characters and events leading to Gaddafi's visit to Paris.

“Her brother was killed in the plane bombing.”

Families Demand Answers

31:39 to 33:11

The families of bombing victims confront Sarkozy and seek closure.

“Back in Paris, Melanie's aunt, Danielle, has an idea.”

Gaddafi's Fall and Allegations

33:20 to 35:09

Gaddafi's downfall and accusations against Sarkozy regarding campaign finances.

“It's 2011 and Gaddafi's world has changed dramatically since that visit to Paris.”

A Reporter’s Discovery

35:14 to 36:32

Fabrice Arfi receives a lead about Sarkozy's election financing.

“And very soon we'll publish all the details and the documents and the bank pay slips.”

The Document That Changes Everything

36:32 to 40:09

Discovery of a document suggesting Gaddafi funded Sarkozy's campaign.

“What was your reaction when you got this email?”

The Impact of Publication

40:13 to 41:29

Revelations about Sarkozy's alleged ties to Gaddafi and their consequences.

“But at this point, he's left with a difficult choice.”

Taqedin's Controversial Claims

41:29 to 42:05

Ziad Taqedin shares allegations about transporting cash for Sarkozy's campaign.

“And media part, he believes, is partly to blame.”

Allegations of Cash Transfers to Sarkozy

42:05 to 43:51

Explore allegations regarding cash deliveries tied to Sarkozy's campaign.

“There's roughly, I think, one and a half million.”

Interview with Alain Manc on Sarkozy's Connections

43:53 to 47:24

Insights from Alain Manc about Sarkozy's relationships and political strategies.

“It's 2016 and he's hoping to win a primary to run for president again.”

The Impact of Missing Voices in the Trial

47:26 to 49:41

Discussion on key figures absent from the trial and their significance.

“I know there are people you shouldn't meet.”

Sarkozy's Trial and Sentencing

49:43 to 55:19

Details of Sarkozy's trial, charges, and the outcome of the verdict.

“And then there's Zian Takidin, the middleman.”

Sarkozy's Appeal and Continuing Controversies

55:20 to 56:01

Sarkozy's appeal process and the ongoing fallout from the scandal.

“It's March the 16th, 2026, and I'm back in court in Paris, and I'm watching Sarkozy arrive for his appeal trial.”

Introduction to the Sarkozy Affair

56:01 to 56:30

Learn about the political scandal surrounding Nicolas Sarkozy and its implications.

“He opened up to a podcaster about finding God and discovering the power of prayer.”

Danielle Klein's Commitment

56:30 to 57:07

Explore Danielle Klein's dedication to seeking justice in the Sarkozy case.

“In the meantime, Danielle Klein is going to court almost every day and she says the last 35 years have been overwhelming.”

Christine Lagarde's Perspective

57:07 to 57:50

Hear Christine Lagarde reflect on her experiences under Sarkozy's leadership.

“And in spite of everything that's happened, Nicolas Sarkozy still has supporters in the very highest places.”

Fabrice Arfi's Encounter with Sarkozy

57:50 to 59:16

Listen to Fabrice Arfi recount his unique interaction with Nicolas Sarkozy in court.

“And Fabrice Afi, what does he make of the man he spent most of his career investigating?”

The Documentary's Conclusion

59:16 to 59:41

Wrap up of the documentary and insights from presenters and producers.

“And I thought to myself, who was he talking to?”
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0:00This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK.

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1:21It's 2005 and we're in Tripoli, the capital of Libya. A French minister is on an official visit. There was a dinner, an evening event at the French embassy. At the dinner, there are 80 guests. There are toasts. This is Libya in the final phase of Muammar Gaddafi's rule. Colonel Gaddafi, the dictator, doesn't know it yet, but within a few years, he'll be deposed and then murdered by a mob. But for now, in our story, he's still in charge. And then some Libyan officials turned up and they said, there's someone we need you to meet. This is Fabrice Afi, an investigative journalist with the website Mediapart, who's telling us the story.

2:14He says the officials accompany the minister outside to a waiting car. The minister gets in. Later, he'll say he doesn't know at first where the car's taking him or who he's heading to meet. There's no ambassador nor any diplomats with him. At the embassy, they don't know he's leaving.

2:40The scene the minister describes, Fabry says, is practically a kidnapping.

2:49The car arrives at its destination, a villa. The house belongs to a man that the minister shouldn't be meeting, a man who's been convicted in France of terrorism. He's wanted by Interpol. Now, if I told you that after this unexpected meeting, the minister doesn't mention to his boss what's just happened to him, well, you might think it was unusual. Then, if I told you that in the final months of that same year, 2005, a scene like this didn't just happen once, it happened twice. Two separate high-ranking French government officials in surprise unplanned meetings in Tripoli with the exact same man, a man convicted of terrorism.

3:41Well, then you might wonder what was going on, and you wouldn't be alone. Because 20 years later, prosecutors say that these two meetings were the moments a secret pact was forged, a pact between the Libyan government and the entourage of a French presidential hopeful. The individuals involved all say that no such pact ever existed and that they were tricked into these meetings. But the story of these visits to Tripoli and what happened inside those meetings has engulfed part of the French political establishment for two decades. These are alleged to be the central moments of a scandal that goes to the very summit of the French state, all the way to the one-time President of the Republic.

4:31Nicolas Sarkozy.

4:43I'm at the grand old courthouse in central Paris. The former president, Nicolas Sarkozy, is about to arrive to appeal his conviction for criminal conspiracy. In 2025, he was sentenced to five years in prison for his role in an alleged plot to illegally finance his 2007 presidential election campaign. Sarkozy was acquitted of three other charges and he still denies any wrongdoing. Now he's back in court, hoping to clear his name entirely. OK. How are you? Yeah, good, thanks, good. I'm just at the Paludjus now. Sarko, I'm hoping, will arrive at half past midday or something like that. Sarko, as he's known by almost everyone in France, can still pull a crowd.

5:33There are members of the public queuing to get into the court. They want to see the man who was once hailed as the saviour of France.

5:44The centre-right politician was elected in 2007 on a mandate to drag the country into the 21st century. To celebrate his victory that night, there was a glittering party on the Champs-Elysées. The most famous figures in France were there, including Sarkozy's friend, the rock star, Johnny Halliday.

6:11Sarkozy's a man of honour, Johnny says. He's a man who loves his family and his friends. A man who loves everything, who can't live in his country. A man, he says, who could never betray his country. And yet, almost 20 years later, Sarkozy is accused of doing precisely that.

6:33This is a tale of secret meetings, claims of suitcases of banknotes, witnesses who disappear in mysterious circumstances, and so much cash that the protagonists don't even know what to do with it. They even consider destroying it. Above all, this is a story about where the money came from. French judges and journalists have been trying to solve that puzzle for years. And Nicolas Sarkozy? He says there's zero proof he's ever received any of it or done anything wrong. But the stakes for him are huge. If he doesn't win his appeal, he could spend ten years behind bars.

7:22There are no documents, no photos, no accounts, no proof. All there is, is hate. I've lived and worked in France as a journalist for many years. I covered Sarkozy for 20 of them. And I covered the downfall of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya too. I never could have guessed that the lives of these two men would collide in such a dramatic way. This story is so bonkers that I've always been amazed how few people outside of France have heard any of it. But to understand the full scope of it, you have to go back a long way. All the way to 1989.

8:14It starts with an explosion on a plane. It's September 1989. There's a bomb hidden in a suitcase, UTA Flight 772 from Brazzaville in Congo to Paris.

8:32The bomb goes off somewhere above Niger in the middle of the Sahara Desert. There are 170 passengers on board, 54 of them are French. When the plane disappears, they're all missing. Very soon in Paris, the news is everywhere. But there's at least one woman in the city who's still oblivious.

9:04Danielle Klein has had a long day. She's had a big success at work, and it's her birthday. So she goes out to celebrate.

9:16When she gets home, it's late, 1am.

9:23Danielle sees her answer machine is going crazy. She listens to the messages. There's one from her mother, then one from her sister, some from her friends. and she knows in the space of 15 seconds that her life has changed dramatically.

9:49Daniel's brother Jean-Pierre is a 30-year-old actor. His career is just taking off. He's been in Brazzaville in Central Africa directing a play. But the play is finished, so he decides to fly home early. He wants to see his daughter. My name is Melanie Oudsklin, and I was four years old when my father died in the plane crash in 1989. Melanie, what do you remember about these days when your dad was killed? I just remember when my mom told me that my father died. It's like a picture in my memory. we were sitting on the floor and she's telling me that my father is dead and sorry

10:43my mom told me that my father was dead and he won't come back and I remember that he was supposed to take me to a park and my first question I think it was oh so we won't go to this park And she told me, plus jamais. Never again? Never again.

11:09It takes investigators a while to reach the wreckage. It's in the middle of the Sahara Desert. But once there, they find traces of explosives on the plane. There's a hunt to find who could have placed a bomb. And then they discover evidence that points at Libya and its dictator, Muammar Gaddafi. Neither Danielle nor her niece Melanie, nor the other families of those killed, could know back then that this story would still be making headlines almost 40 years later. Because the Libyan perpetrators of the UTA bombing, who were convicted in absentia by a court in 1999, have been on the run ever since.

11:52They still haven't been punished to this day. And the bomb on the plane was just one strand of an intricate web of violence and political subterfuge woven over many years by Muammar Gaddafi. And caught up in some elements of it, prosecutors say, is Nicolas Sarkozy.

12:20at the time of the bombing on the other side of paris from danielle you'd find the bourgeois suburb of neuilly sur scène it's one of the wealthiest towns in france and back then nicholas sarkozy is its young mayor a rising star waiting for his big break His rise really began with a very precise, spectacular moment This is Andrew Hussey, a writer on Modern France Which was in 1993, when he diffused a hostage crisis in a school in Neuilly A man who calls himself the human bomb takes over a nursery school and demands a ransom He's holding 21 children and their teacher hostage

13:06Terrified parents wait at the school gates. Mayor Sarkozy steps up. He enters the school and he negotiates with the attacker.

13:18One by one, over the course of many hours, Sarkozy carries several of the children out in his arms. It's all captured by TV cameras. All the hostages are saved. the attacker was killed by police, and virtually overnight, Sarkozy becomes a national hero. So his entry into political life was not really as a political ideologue or an intellectual. It was a kind of saviour of France. After the event, he was one of the most popular politicians in France, and he loved it. Fast forward to 2005, and Sarkozy is a fixture in government with a powerful job. He's the interior minister. And on the right of French politics, Andrew Hussey says, he's inspiring something of a frenzy.

14:05What he was, he was a very good showman. This alluring, charismatic, great orator who did look like, if you were in the right frame of mind, he was going to forge something new in French politics. Sarkozy has cultivated an image as a law and order tough guy, a straight talker. Particularly when it comes to the bonlieue. These are the deprived housing projects outside of French cities where many immigrants live. And in 2005, there's a moment which is part of Sarkozy's political legend. He's visiting a bonnie near Paris.

14:45There's been a lot of words to describe the people of the bonnie over the years, and he came up to the hakaï. Roughly translated, hakaï means scum.

14:58Now, it's a very divisive term because racquet is a very, very old word in French. And as with very old words in French, it ends with that aï sound like that. And it's a powerful insult in French. This language infuriated many people in the Bonlieus and also many on the French left. But for his base on the conservative right, this was exciting stuff. By the end of the year, Sarkozy is the favourite to win the next presidential election. He knows very well, though, that if you want to be French president, you have to be a player on the world stage, not just at home. Now, he's famous in France, but hardly anyone knows him internationally, and he decides to do something about that.

15:46He plans a trip to meet a prominent, headline-grabbing world leader, and to the surprise of many, he chooses Tripoli and the Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi. Now, you often hear journalists say that they don't want to become the story. But when it comes to this story, it would be hard to tell it without this journalist. Fabrice Arfi is an investigative reporter with a French news website called Mediapart. This investigation for you has taken up a significant part of your life. I mean, I remember talking to you about it way back in 2012. Both of us are quite a bit older at this stage. I have a lot less hair.

16:34Moi j 'ai de la barbe blanche. Yeah, you have a few grey hairs and a beard. Fabrice has spent 15 years investigating this story, trying to unpick what happened at a series of meetings in Tripoli at the end of 2005. At the epicentre of Fabrice's investigation is the summit between Nicolas Sarkozy and Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, in October of that year.

17:03Sarkozy makes a lightning trip to Tripoli.

17:10He meets with Gaddafi. Just the two of them, with translators. Officially, they're there to discuss terrorism and migration. It's formal and it's short. The context here is crucial. This is all happening a few years after 9-11. Libya has been a pariah state for decades, accused of mounting terrorist attacks around the world, including in Lockerbie in Scotland.

17:40But Gaddafi realises after 9-11 that if Libya keeps it up as a so-called terrorist state, he could be in trouble. Times have changed. And this meeting with Sarkozy, a prominent minister of a big Western country, is a stepping stone back to respectability. The two men talk, they shake hands, they smile for the cameras, and the meeting wraps up. But here's the thing about these meetings on the world stage. The real business doesn't happen when the leaders meet. The cameras are there, but actually, the big decisions are often made ahead of time. And Fabrice tells us this is exactly what happened for Sarkozy's visit to Libya.

18:22A few days earlier, his right-hand man, a man called Claude Guéon, had already been to Tripoli. Claude Guéon is Sarkozy's chief of staff, and he's there to prepare the way for his boss. Except Guéon has some business that's not on the official agenda.

18:42What is secret is that during this visit, there is a dinner and no one, no one from the embassy, the Ministry for Foreign Affairs, President Chirac, no one knows about it. If any of this is sounding familiar, that's because it is. It's the second of the two secret meetings in Tripoli that I mentioned right at the beginning. In the heavily choreographed world of international diplomacy, this is all unusual, because the dinner guest is someone in particular.

19:17He's called Abdullah Senoussi, and he's the same man we heard about right at the start, a wanted terrorist. So now we have two off-the-books meetings with this same guy, one just before Sarkozy's visit and one soon after. Now, this man, Abdullah Sanusi, is important in Libya. He's Gaddafi's brother-in-law. But he's also someone to avoid if you're on an official government trip. Because six years earlier, in 1999, he was convicted in absentia for the murder of 170 people, the passengers of the flight that exploded above the Sahara. And he's also been linked to the Lockerbie bombing in Scotland.

19:58If it had become public knowledge at that moment that Claude Guéant, the chef de cabinet of the interior minister, had met with Abdel Sanoussi, what would have likely been the public reaction in France? If it had been discovered at the time that he'd met, behind the back of the French state, a condemned terrorist, a wanted man in France, you can imagine the scandal. I'm in Lyon it's a couple of years later 2007 and I'm there to cover a huge American style campaign rally for candidate Nicolas Sarkozy in a few weeks he'll face off against his socialist rival Ségolène Royal in the presidential election at the rally there are 15 ,000 people, thousands of French flags.

20:52A local paper says the whole event costs 170 ,000 euros. It's the first time I've seen Sarkozy in the flesh and I'm struck by how small he is, but also by his strut. He looks just like a guy who knows it's all about to happen for him. And there was someone else there that day too. My name is Christine Lagarde and I'm currently the president of the European Central Bank based in Frankfurt. I'm talking to Lagarde in her enormous HQ in Germany. Back in 2007, when we were at the same rally in Lyon, she was a junior minister serving alongside Sarkozy in the government. Lagarde tells me that she remembers that day and what it was like being on the campaign trail with Sarkozy.

21:37He was a bundle of energy and he was everywhere. Whenever there was an issue, anything, he was on site almost instantly. I mean, it was funny because sometimes you would think, OK, he's going to be there. But he had been there five minutes before, and two hours later, he was somewhere else. What was Nicolas Sarkozy offering French voters at that stage? He's a character, you know, bigger than life. And he was leading his political life with passion and with huge energy, and giving us the sentiment that you could not waste a second. Nicolas Sarkozy came as a complete change.

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22:17Bakasy tells voters he wants to get France working again. He says he'll be the champion of la France qui se lève tôt, the France that wakes up early. He says he wants to be the president of human rights, that if he's elected, he'll refuse to be an accomplice to any dictatorship in the world. And his pitch really lands with voters. Hello, welcome to a BBC News special. I'm John Sopel in Paris. The French people have decided Nicolas Sarkozy will succeed Jacques Chirac to become France's next president. On May 6th, 2007, Sarkozy wins the election. It's the culmination of his dream. He's about to start one of the most powerful jobs in the world.

23:12But as he enters the Elysee Palace, it's also the start of problems that have pursued him to this day. Problems which could send him to jail.

23:26In the early days of his presidency, Nicolas Sarkozy is all action. He sets about reforming France. And as he put it, helping French people to work more, to earn more. But then in 2008, global events get in the way. Financial markets across the world have plummeted in spite of efforts by the government. We were in the midst of the financial crisis. At this point, Christine Lagarde is Sarkozy's finance minister. Here, more than 93 billion pounds was wiped off the value of shares. the global economy has gone into freefall. But Sarkozy seizes the situation by the scruff of its neck. Confidence was drifting.

24:11Banks were in the balance. He struck up a particular friendship at that moment with Gordon Brown. It's quite an unusual pairing. What do you think was behind that friendship? I think there were two human beings confronted to a phenomenal crisis with both the same intention to resolve the issues and to do it in the best interest of their people. I think people don't really remember that well, that Sarkozy and Gordon Brown had a kind of bromance for a while. President Sarkozy, you are truly a force of nature. It was a very happy couple. Lagarde believes that Sarkozy's action here is fundamental.

24:46She says he helped save the global economy from complete collapse. We had sometimes meetings at the presidential palace at 4am in the morning when there was an imminent crisis. And I've seen him in some of those circumstances completely calm, completely open to the arguments, taking a distance, considering the options, asking more questions, thinking about it and helping us in the right direction. So this is, I think it's a side of him that not so many people know about, but I've seen it several times. These are still the early days of Sarkozy's five-year presidency and the activity is fast and furious.

25:30And in the middle of it all, he even divorces his wife, Cecilia, and then in short order, he meets and marries an Italian supermodel, Carla Bruni. It's a lot.

25:46But quietly in the background, stories begin to emerge in the French press. Stories that in the noise of the Sarkozy presidency, few people may have noticed. There's some of the earliest reports about the money that had been spent in his presidential campaign. newspapers report that Sarkozy's 2007 campaign was the most expensive in French history at first nobody's saying there's anything unusual about any of this just that lots of money was spent but gradually the question of the campaign finances begins to attract more attention this is journalist Fabrice Afi the suspicion was that there had been mountains of cash, bundles of banknotes, which were used to pay the people on the campaign without any of it being declared.

26:41Now, this is important because campaign funding is strictly controlled in France. There's a limit to how much you can spend. And in 2007, that was 21.5 million euros. And Sarkozy's campaign was right on the limit. At the very end of the campaign, in 2007, it emerged that large amounts of high-denomination cash were still sitting in the cupboards of Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign team and campaign headquarters. These were 200 euros and 500 euro notes. There's so much cash left over at the end of the election, so many big banknotes, that the campaign managers don't know what to do with them. The treasurer and his deputy said there was so much of it that they even considered destroying it.

27:30It's not clear what they did do with this cash in the end. Sarkozy's 2007 campaign says that its finances have all been OK'd and signed off. And the Treasurer says this extra cash was sent in as anonymous donations. But the judge in Sarkozy's trial says that nobody working on the campaign remembers receiving any envelopes of cash in the party mailroom. If that's true, where did all this cash come from? This is the documentary from the BBC World Service.

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29:51This is Danielle Klein again. Her brother was killed in the plane bombing. At this point in our story, it's December 2007. Nicolas Sarkozy has been president for six months, and his romance with Carla Bruni is blossoming. Danielle's on her scooter in Paris. She's on her way to work.

30:13Suddenly, there are police everywhere. Danielle sees a long convoy of cars and the police ask her to move aside. I realise it's Colonel Gaddafi in the streets of Paris, my city, and I'm being stopped by the police to let pass this dictator who killed my brother.

30:36Gaddafi's been invited to Paris on a three-day state visit. He pitches his Bedouin tent next door to the Elysee and he meets Sarkozy at the palace. He crunches up the gravel courtyard, the two men shake hands and they wave for the cameras. Meanwhile, Danielle's niece Melanie, who lost her father in the plane bombing, is watching it all. I was in New York. I was spending a year in New York for my studies and I had some French friends. They were watching TV and suddenly I didn't have the sound. I just saw the famous images of Gaddafi shaking hands with Sarkozy. I was telling myself, wow, I think I didn't understand something.

31:24I thought Gaddafi was really bad. It was evil. And because my French president is shaking hands with him, maybe I didn't understand something. Like, I don't understand my own story. Why is he here? Back in Paris, Melanie's aunt, Danielle, has an idea.

31:49Our little group of families, we took out our placards with the photos of our brothers and sisters, dads and mums. Every time he went somewhere, we decided we would go with our placards. You were running around Paris following Gaddafi. And people notice, first the media and then the Elysee. The families are invited to the palace to meet the president just after Gaddafi leaves, and it's the first time that any French president has agreed to meet them. When Sarkozy arrives, he's attentive. The first thing he said to us, I remember it very well, was, you're amazing people, that he understood us and that it must have been hard for us to see Gaddafi.

32:35Then he said, you are at Elysee, make the most of it. What can I do for you? They hadn't expected to be asked anything like this and they don't really have any questions up their sleeve. Why not a visit to the crash site in the Sahara? That would be great. It's not somewhere they could get on their own steam.

32:57He promised us the presidential plane, Danielle told me. And what about outstanding compensation for some of the families? Yep, no problem. That would be sorted too. None of these promises ever materialised, Danielle says. But in the moment, she was impressed. Fast forward a few years. It's 2011 and Gaddafi's world has changed dramatically since that visit to Paris. The Arab Spring has reached Libya and his government is under threat. The authoritarian presidents of Tunisia and Egypt have already been toppled. Sarkozy is one of the very first Western leaders to back the Libyan rebels against Gaddafi.

33:46Gaddafi launches a counter-offensive. I was in Libya back then and I witnessed the ferocity of Gaddafi's forces firsthand.

34:03All right, let's go. Out, out. Gaddafi's military is advancing, and it's feared there could be a massacre of civilians in the city of Benghazi. Sarkozy responds. He assembles an international coalition led by France to protect the rebel-held city with airstrikes. And it's an unusual position to take because French presidents have often opposed military interventions in the region. Back in Tripoli, international journalists are covering the war from the side of the Libyan government. Gaddafi's son gives an exclusive interview to the channel Euronews. Saif al-Islam is asked his opinion of President Sarkozy, and he drops a bombshell.

34:48Sarkozy must repay Libya the money he took for his election campaign. We financed his election campaign, and we have all details and we're ready to publish them. This is a huge allegation, and it comes out of almost nowhere. The first thing we ask of this clown, Sarkozy, is to repay this money to the Libyan people. We helped him become president so that he would help the Libyan people, but he's disappointed us. And very soon we'll publish all the details and the documents and the bank pay slips. The Elysee strongly denies it, and the French press are reluctant to take it too seriously, because the Gaddafis have got plenty of reasons to sling mud at Sarkozy.

35:29And then one day in October 2011, a NATO airstrike hits a road convoy in central Libya. A short while later, Muammar Gaddafi is found hiding, injured in a drainpipe near the wreckage of the convoy. A mob descends on him. And in the chaos, Gaddafi is murdered. It's a brutal end to his 40-year dictatorship. But in the elation that followed, there was one detail that didn't gain much attention. The plane that fired on Gaddafi's convoy and that led to the mob, that led to the dictator's murder. It was a jet of the NATO coalition and it was from the French Air Force. Back in France, Fabrice Arfi receives a message.

36:21One lovely day in 2011, I received a very short email. It's from someone I don't know. And they say, I might have something about someone you're interested in. What was your reaction when you got this email? I didn't pause for two seconds. I knew we had to go, travel to a foreign country. I won't say which in order to protect my sources, but we had to go and see. Fabrice and his reporting partner, Carl Lasquet, meet their source and they get their hands on a hard drive. It's fascinating, this hard disk. It's like a sort of Alibaba's cave and there are 19 ,000 documents. Fabrice now has the digital archive of a man called Ziad Takedin.

37:06And he's an important character in this story. Takedin is a Lebanese businessman. He's not well known to the public, but he is well known as a fixer and a middleman in some circles at the top of French politics.

37:23Our stroke of luck is that Ziyad Akedin is what you'd call a pedant. When he has a meeting, he writes a preparatory note. When he's had the meeting, he writes a report about it. Yes, when he has handwritten notes, he scans them. There are documents in French and in Arabic. Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Libya. That's his field of activity. There's his correspondence. There are holiday photos, lots of photos, with very well-known politicians. There are details of his offshore companies. There are his bank accounts. As Fabrice digs, one name keeps coming up. He's someone we've already heard about in this story, back in 2005.

38:11And if you remember, back then, Abdullah Senoussi, Gaddafi's number two, met with Sarkozy's number two, Claude Guayant, in Tripoli.

38:23He was the man who authorized terrorism when Libya was a terrorist state. Lockerbie, in the case of Great Britain, and what's known as the DC-10 UTA bombing, in the case of France. Fabrice says that Tachydine is a linchpin in all of this. Both the high-ranking French officials who met with Sanussi in secret in 2005 have said that they knew Tachydine and that he was present during those meetings. All of this could be circumstantial, tangential of course. So Fabrice keeps digging and he gets his hands on a new document. A document which is still contested and will become hugely significant.

39:07It's a very interesting document which backed up everything we had so far. And it showed that in 2006, Gaddafi's administration had an agreement to fund, one year later, the election campaign of Nicolas Sarkozy, to the tune of 50 million euros. It looks like an official Libyan government document dated 2006 and signed by one of Gaddafi's closest advisers. If true, this document would confirm the allegations already made by Gaddafi's son in that interview with Euronews. Fabrice had to be sure it was genuine. He launched a series of extensive checks to verify it. The authenticity of this document has been disputed ever since.

39:55Sarkozy says it's a forgery and he sued Mediapart three times in court. He lost all three cases. But then, in Sarkozy's trial, its credibility was once again called into question. Fabrice believes there's enough evidence that it's authentic. But at this point, he's left with a difficult choice. Because by the time he's ready to publish, it's the most sensitive possible moment. It's the middle of the 2012 presidential campaign, and Sarkozy is seeking re-election. We knew very well that revealing this in the middle of the presidential campaign, we would be criticised. The information, they thought, was too important to sit on.

40:41So Fabrice and his colleagues decide to publish. On the campaign trail, Sarkozy is asked by the French TV channel Tf1 about the Libya allegations. Is it true, he's asked, that Colonel Gaddafi financed him last time round in 2007? It's grotesque, he says. To be questioned about what Gaddafi or his son, a regime of dictators with no credibility, he says public debate has reached a new low.

41:21A few days later, Nicolas Sarkozy loses the election to François Hollande. And media part, he believes, is partly to blame. It's a humiliation.

41:38A suitcase like this, it opens like this. And the money is inside. This is Ziad Taqedin, the alleged Lebanese middleman. And he's talking on camera. Because after Sarkozy is voted out of office, Taqedin decides to tell his story to France Television. And it involves a suitcase full of cash. There is nothing in it but money. There's roughly, I think, one and a half million. Notes of 500 euros and a few 200. A few bundles of 200. What Takudin is saying here is highly contested. It's been the subject of a defamation case which he lost. Takudin himself has retracted the words in disputed circumstances.

42:28Nonetheless, what he's saying here is relevant to the allegations against the Sarkozy campaign. His words have been read out in court by judges. Mr Sanoussi asks me if I can be the one to transport some of this money. Taqedin says that back in 2005, Abdel Sanusi, Gaddafi's number two, asked him to carry three suitcases of cash back to France. He asks me because he trusts me. So I take it and I deliver it. Taqedin says he'd pick up a suitcase in Tripoli and bring it to Paris on a scheduled flight. And then when he'd landed, he'd walk straight through customs. He'd get into a car at the airport and head for central Paris, to the interior ministry.

43:16I get out of the car with the suitcase and I go in through the main door. I know I'm expected, so I go straight in. Just opposite the entrance, there's the main staircase. And on the first floor, the office of the interior ministry. Now, I don't need to remind you who was working in the interior ministry at the time of these supposed deliveries. But I will say that Sarkozy and his entourage have denied receiving any of them. But crucially, in the political world, these allegations have an impact because they surface just as Sarkozy's been out of office for a few years and is trying to engineer a comeback.

43:53It's 2016 and he's hoping to win a primary to run for president again. There's a big debate on the French TV channel France 2 and it's hosted by one of France's best-known news anchors, David Pujadas. Pujadas asked Sarkozy about Takedin's accusation.

44:22Sarkozy looks absolutely furious. What an indignity, he says. A few days later, Sarkozy comes in third place in the primary. There will be no comeback. But if the former president is worried about indignities, there are more of those to come. In March 2018, he's questioned by police for 25 hours and then placed under formal investigation over the Gaddafi allegations. In the French system, that's like being charged. Sarkozy is going to face a trial over his links to Muammar Gaddafi. I'm Alain Manc. I do a lot of things. This is Alain Manc, one of Nicolas Sarkozy's oldest friends. We're in his huge Paris office on the Avenue Georges V.

45:18It's one of the fanciest streets in the city, right next to the famous cabaret club, The Crazy Horse. Nicolas Sarkozy, je le connais depuis 1986 I've known Nicolas Sarkozy since 1986 That's 40 years, so I know him very well We talked almost every day and saw each other about once a week We talked about everything Work, jokes, women, life, everything Manc has advised French presidents from François Mitterrand in the 80s and 90s all the way to Emmanuel Macron today. He has a nickname, the Evening Visitor, because he's a regular after-hours at the Elysee. If anyone knows how it works at the top, it's Alain Manc.

46:09What do you know about Nicolas Sarkozy's relationship with Muammar Gaddafi?

46:19Monsieur Manc tells me that one Sunday, shortly after Sarkozy's election, He was with the president and his then-wife Cecilia. Manc says Sarkozy was in the middle of a tough negotiation with Gaddafi about a prisoner release. But Manc didn't get the feeling there was anything cosy about the exchanges between the two men. He says Gaddafi was negotiating hard. I asked Manc if he believed Sarkozy had taken money from Libya.

46:51Personally, I've never believed it. Not because I'm naive, but because if you are a politician on the French right and you believe you need illicit money for an election campaign, you don't go to Gaddafi. There were systems in place for this on the French right to get money from Africa. Sarkozy is an intelligent man. Why would he give himself problems by negotiating with a crazy tyrant? One of the central characters in the Sarkozy-Qaddafi case is this man, Ziyad Taqedin. Did you know Ziyad Taqedin? What do you mean? I know there are people you shouldn't meet. Did you advise Nicolas Sarkozy to stay away from Ziyad Taqedin?

47:37I often said to him that there are people you shouldn't meet, many times. Nicolas Sarkozy's mistake was keeping people around him who weren't reputable. I think there are people around him whom he should never have associated with. Monsieur Mank, what I'm hearing you say is that Mr Sarkozy is guilty really only of surrounding himself or having acquaintances with people who have harmed him. He's bad at choosing his friends.

48:13I think Nicolas Sarkozy is a man who is too kind. He never got rid of people he should have got rid of. Before we get to the court case, let's take a time out. Because at the trial, there are some important voices who are missing. We're talking about people with salient information who can't be there. Some of them we'll never hear from again. First up, there's someone called Shukri Ghanem. He was Gaddafi's oil minister. In 2012, after the Gaddafi government fell, he was found dead in Vienna, floating in the Danube River. Austrian investigators say he died of a heart attack. There are people who question that.

48:58After he died, the police found his diaries, and inside them, Ghanem had written in detail about an alleged deal to finance Sarkozy's 2007 campaign. His body was discovered in the river the day after the media part allegations were first published. And then there's Bashir Saleh. He's one of Gaddafi's closest aides. He's still alive and he knows a lot of things. He won't be at the trial because he's a fugitive in South Africa. His means of escaping from Libya to France and then to South Africa are obscure. There have been allegations during Sarkozy's trial that the French government was somehow involved.

49:41Once he arrived in South Africa, someone tried to kill him. He survived, but he's still a fugitive. And then there's Zian Takidin, the middleman. Now, he recanted those allegations about suitcases of cash in a TV interview with the French channel BFM in 2020. Sitting on a little wall in a park, he says... Mr Sarkozy never received any campaign funding from Muammar Gaddafi. But the interview was so bizarre that the police were curious. They examined it and placed both Sarkozy and his wife, Carla Bruni, under formal investigation for witness tampering. Sarkozy and Bruni both deny it. But either way, Takudin definitely won't be coming to the trial because he's dead, of natural causes while a fugitive in Lebanon.

50:37OK, time out over. It's time for the trial. Sarkozy is in the dock, accused of criminal conspiracy, corruption and illegal campaign financing. He denies all the charges and says he's the victim of a politically motivated attack from inside the French judiciary. Daniel is also in court to give a victim statement because the alleged conspiracy involves Abdullah Sanousi, the man convicted of her brother's murder. What was it like the day that you testified in court? What happened? It's a moment we were all waiting for. We were all there. I had gone over it all well in my head. I was really keen to speak.

51:25Mr Sarkozy was only a metre and a half away from us.

51:36Danielle tells the court that her brother Jean-Pierre was fascinated with politics, how the families of the DC-10 victims had fought hard for years, and how painful it was to learn that high-ranking members of the government had met face-to-face with Abdullah Sanoussi.

51:55She calls them cowards. When Danielle finished talking, she says Sarkozy tried to respond. And the judge immediately put him in his place and said, Mr Sarkozy, sit down. It's not your turn to speak now. It's the victims of the DC-10. It's his women's turn to speak.

52:21Danielle and Melanie wait for the verdicts for the four charges against Sarkozy. The first one, corruption, not guilty. The second, illegal campaign financing, not guilty. The third, embezzlement of public funds, not guilty. And then the fourth charge, conspiracy to commit a crime. Sarkozy is found guilty. Guilty of plotting to obtain funding from a foreign state, the quid pro quo, judges say, was helping Libya gain acceptance on the world stage and turning a blind eye to Abdullah Sanusi's terrorism conviction. The judge calls it a crime of, quote, exceptional seriousness. And the sentence is five years in jail.

53:08And when she said Nicolas Sarkozy's sentence, Nobody speak, but there was... Because there were so many people in the room, I heard the... Very loud. I will keep this moment in me forever. There'll be no electronic tag for Sarkozy, no house arrest. He'll be the first and only president of the Fifth Republic to go to jail. immediately after the verdict Sarkozy speaks to reporters if they absolutely want me to sleep in prison I will sleep in prison but with my head held high I am innocent this injustice is a scandal He says he'll appeal. And in France, if you appeal, you're considered innocent until all the appeals are finished.

54:11But controversially, the court instructs Sarkozy to present himself to prison soon. It's a highly unusual move. In the days that follow, Sarkozy says that judges are out to destroy him.

54:29A former president on his way to prison. Nicolas Sarkozy left his home this morning and, to cries of support from a small crowd, walked with his wife Carla Bruni down to a waiting car. He arrives at the prison with pullovers, earplugs and a novel. And not just any novel, The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas. It's maybe the most famous revenge novel ever written. The novel is vast, more than a thousand pages. The hero, Edmund Dantes, escapes from his wrongful imprisonment, he becomes wildly rich, and he destroys his enemies. It left you wondering if the vast novel of Nicolas Sarkozy's life might still have a few chapters left to be written.

55:38It's March the 16th, 2026, and I'm back in court in Paris, and I'm watching Sarkozy arrive for his appeal trial. He walks in a free man. He's been released from prison to fight the case, and everything is still to play for. Sarkozy's been pretty busy. He's written a book. It took him three weeks. A memoir about his 20 days in prison. And it became a number one bestseller. He went on a book tour. He opened up to a podcaster about finding God and discovering the power of prayer. But now he's back in court. And he could emerge from this retrial completely cleared or sentenced to 10 years behind bars.

56:24Nicholas Sarkozy's appeal will run until June and the verdict will come in the autumn. In the meantime, Danielle Klein is going to court almost every day and she says the last 35 years have been overwhelming.

56:41We were facing a monster of a political scandal. So many well-known and higher-ranking French people were involved. A little like the Epstein affair today. So many people implicated in the story that it's hard to believe. Sticking at it has become Danielle's mission. We mustn't give up. We mustn't let go. We mustn't think that we're so small in the face of all this. And in spite of everything that's happened, Nicolas Sarkozy still has supporters in the very highest places. With retrospect, does any of this change how you feel about his presidency? No. This is Christine Lagarde. I'm very proud to have served under his leadership, and I'm very proud of what we achieved at a time of a financial crisis that could have completely embroiled the entire global economy.

57:42And that's what I want to remember. When did you last speak to Nicolas Sarkozy? When he went to prison, I sent him a text message from Bulgaria, where I was, in a church called St. Nicholas. How is he? How is he? Well, you will find out. And Fabrice Afi, what does he make of the man he spent most of his career investigating? You and your reporting partners have been jousting with him now for a long time, almost 15 years. Is there any part of you that admires his tenacity? I could admire his tenacity if he weren't my former president. He's an impressive person. I could tell you about my exchange with him in court.

58:31Oh, yeah. Go on, please. Fabrice tells me a story. During the first trial, on a courtroom break, Sarkozy summons Fabrice over for a chat. But it's the first time Fabrice has ever actually spoken with him after 15 years of asking for an interview. Nicolas Sarkozy, who's very tactile, he put his hand on my forearm and said, but Mr Arfi, it's nothing personal against you. And then he said something to me, something I've been asking myself about ever since. But you know, Mr Arfi, when you're losing, you have to admit it. You have to be a good sport. And with that, Sarkozy was off. And I thought to myself, who was he talking to?

59:22Was he talking to me? Or was he talking to his subconscious? I still don't understand what he wanted to tell me. We asked Nicolas Sarkozy if he'd speak to us for this programme, and he declined.

59:40You've been listening to the documentary from the BBC World Service. The Sarkozy Affair was presented by me, Tristan Redman. The producer was Adele Armstrong. And the sound designer was Peregrine Andrews. The editor was Penny Murphy.

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The story of former French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s rise and fall has been gripping France. There are allegations of a secret pact with a dictator and unexplained meetings between figures close to government and a known terrorist. And so much cash that party workers do not know what to do with it. The former French President was jailed last year for conspiring to fund his 2007 election campaign with money from the late Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi. He is currently appealing his sentence - and he has some powerful supporters. Tristan Redman tells the story of how he became the first former French head of state to end up behind bars since Nazi collaborator, Philippe Pétain. Featuring investigative journalist, Fabrice Arfi from Mediapart; Daniele Klein whose brother was killed in the ‘French Lockerbie’ and her niece Melanie who lost her father; Alain Minc, one of Nicolas Sarkozy’s closest friends and advisers; the British writer and academic Andrew Hussey and Christine Lagarde, President of the European Central Bank, who was Sarkozy’s finance minister.

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