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The Double Win Podcast: Episode Summary
Podcast Title
The Double Win Description The Double Win Podcast aims to help ambitious individuals achieve work-life balance through productivity, wellness, and personal fulfillment. Hosted by Michael Hyatt and Megan Hyatt Miller, it provides insights from thought leaders, executives, and entrepreneurs. The focus is on integrating the nine domains of life—body, mind, spirit, love, family, community, money, work, and hobbies—into daily routines to create a harmonious and fulfilled life.
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Episode Title
JIM KWIK: Unlock Your Brain’s Full Potential
Episode Summary In this episode, Jim Kwik, a brain coach and author of *Limitless*, shares his journey from overcoming a traumatic brain injury to mastering cognitive optimization techniques. He provides practical strategies for enhancing memory, focus, and productivity, emphasizing that everyone has the potential to expand their cognitive abilities.
Key Topics Discussed
- Jim's Background
- Overcame a traumatic brain injury as a child.
- Developed a passion for helping others improve their mental fitness after experiencing personal struggles.
- Brain Coaching
- Definition and purpose of a "brain coach": enhancing mental capacities similar to a personal trainer for physical fitness.
- Importance of focusing on brain health to improve overall productivity and well-being.
- Potential of the Human Brain
- Common misconceptions about learning and memory—everyone can improve cognitive abilities regardless of background or age.
- The influence of lifestyle on brain performance and the importance of mental fitness.
Key Insights and Strategies
- Learning and Memory Techniques
- The importance of asking good questions to enhance learning and retention.
- Strategies such as speed reading and memory enhancement techniques to improve productivity.
- Digital Distractions
- Discussion on the impact of technology on focus and mental health, introducing terms like digital distraction, digital deluge, and digital dementia.
- Recommendations for mitigating these challenges through better habits and mental exercises.
- Reading Techniques
- Practical tips for improving reading speed and comprehension, such as using a visual pacer (like a finger or pen) to avoid regression and aid focus.
- Emphasis on the significance of reading as a skill to be developed through practice.
Personal Experiences and Stories
- Kwik shared a transformative story about a student who read 30 books in 30 days to help her mother, illustrating the power of learning and knowledge.
- He emphasized the importance of understanding individual motivations for learning, which can drive better results.
Conclusion and Call to Action
- Jim encourages listeners to take control of their mental fitness, reminding them that they have the potential for greatness.
- Listeners are motivated to explore Kwik's book, *Limitless*, and utilize his frameworks to enhance their own cognitive capabilities.
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Key Takeaways
- Mental Fitness: Just as physical fitness is essential, mental fitness is crucial for success and fulfillment.
- Potential: Everyone has untapped potential for learning and growth, which can be unlocked through the right techniques.
- Focus on Learning: Asking questions and using practical strategies can significantly enhance memory and comprehension.
- Personal Responsibility: Individuals must take charge of their cognitive development and well-being.
Links and Resources
- [Take the LifeScore Assessment](http://doublewinshow.com/lifescore)
- [Jim Kwik's Website](https://www.jimkwik.com)
- Book: *Limitless: Upgrade Your Brain, Learn Anything Faster, and Unlock Your Exceptional Life*
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Final Thoughts The conversation with Jim Kwik emphasizes the importance of mental health and cognitive optimization in achieving the Double Win. By adopting the strategies discussed, individuals can improve their productivity and balance in both personal and professional spheres.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00I remember when I was nine years old, I was slowing down a class and I was being teased more than usual. and a teacher came to my defense and said, leave that kid alone. That's the boy with the broken brain. And you could say that that label became my limit. Hi, I'm Michael Hyatt. And I'm Megan Hyatt Miller. And you're listening to The Double Win Show. We're excited to bring to you a show with Jim Quick. Now, I didn't really know Jim's work until about a year ago. and I wasn't quite sure what to expect in this interview, but I was not only pleasantly surprised, and I don't think I'm saying too much here, I was blown away.
0:42Me too. Yeah, I mean, I have been challenged and inspired in a way that I haven't been in a long time. Well, I think you and I may be the only people that weren't familiar with his work prior to a year ago because his book, Limitless, Upgrade Your Brain, Learn Anything Faster and Unlock Your Exceptional Life, has sold well over a million copies, which is something almost no book does. I mean, this book, and by the way, this is a big, fat book. I mean, this is not like a little skinny, fast read book. This is like a very thoughtful, well-researched book. And it has been unbelievably successful.
1:19You know, he has coached celebrities and entrepreneurs and organizations, including organizations like Google, Virgin, Nike, and SpaceX. ex and he's worked with a bunch of Hollywood actors to help them memorize their scripts. You know, when I went into this conversation, I was kind of like, how will the ideas of speed reading and all this brain science and everything, how does that apply to somebody like me who's a professional, you know, knowledge worker, basically? And what I realized was, oh, my goodness, there is a whole lever that you and I, before coming into this conversation, did not even know existed to improve our productivity, to free up more time, to allow us to focus on what we do best.
2:02I mean, it was kind of like our heads exploded. Yeah. I think you're going to see a potential for yourself that you've never seen before. We are capable of so much more. And this particular episode begins to unlock that. So enjoy.
2:19Jim, welcome to the show. So good to be here. I've been looking forward to this conversation with the two of you and thank everybody who's tuning in. Look, we want to start at the beginning. You describe yourself as a brain coach. What is a brain coach? So this wasn't offered by my guidance counselor, but it's my 32nd year as a brain coach. I guess my role is really helping individuals and organizations enhance their mental capacities. This could involve teaching strategies that improve memory, focus, learning effectiveness, overall cognitive health and performance. It's kind of like a personal trainer.
2:59We'll get your body more flexible, more pliable, more energized, stronger, faster. I want your mental muscles. I want your memory to be sharper. I want your thinking to be more pliable and flexible. I want you to have more brain energy. I want you to have stronger decision-making tools and fitness. So yeah, I kind of like a personal trainer for the brain. I love this because I think this is an area in terms of domains, you know, as we talk about the double win, winning at work and succeeding at life that often gets neglected. You know, we do think about mindset and we obviously have written a book about that, but in terms of how do I get my brain to perform better?
3:40You know, we often say like, if you don't have your health, it's really difficult to do all the other things in your life that you want to do to reach your full potential. But I mean, even more foundational than that, if your brain is not functioning optimally, your ability to focus on the things that matter most, even know what those are, your ability to remember all those things are really going to diminish your ability to get the double win. So I can't wait to dig into this because I think it's so applicable and we've never talked about it before. No. And we've got fitness trainers that we've utilized, but never a brain trainer or a brain coach.
4:14So I guess what I'd love to start with is a vision of what's possible that most people are not aware of in terms of, because I know you do stuff on speed reading, you do stuff on memory, on productivity, but what's possible? If somebody really adopted what you teach and what you coach, what would be possible for them? I think we're best suited to support the person we once were. And so my work really is tailored towards somebody that was struggling because I was struggling. When I speak at events, you know, this past week I was on three continents in one week. There's a lot of feedback and a lot of things that aren't so good for your brain in terms of sleep and jet lag.
4:57But I do these demonstrations if there's time where I'll have a microphone, maybe 50 or 100 people in the audience and memorize all their names. or will challenge me to memorize 100 words or numbers. And I'll do it forwards and backwards. But I always tell people, I don't do this to impress you. I really do this to express to you what's possible. Because the truth is, each and every one of your listeners could do that and a lot more. We just weren't taught. What I believe is possible, and we have a lot of data because we have students in every country in the world in our online academy, 195 nations.
5:30So we get a lot of data, a lot of feedback. And I believe we've discovered more about the human brain in the past 20 years than the previous 2 ,000 years combined. And one of the conclusions that I've drawn from it is that we've grossly underestimated our own capabilities and potential, meaning regardless of your age, your background, your career, education level, your financial situation, your gender, your history, IQ, we can all improve in these areas. Our book Limitless was endorsed by the founding director of the Cleveland Clinic, the top Alzheimer's researcher out of Harvard. And we know when I speak at these institutions, that about one-third of our brain's potential is predetermined by genetics and biology.
6:12But two-thirds is in our influence and more of our lifestyle and how we're using it. Now, with epigenetics, some people suggest we have 100 % influence, you know, in terms of how those genes express and our potential expresses. But regardless, it's a high amount. You know, so I focus on 10 levers that move the needle there. But I've learned this through personal experience. My inspiration really was my desperation. You know, I didn't know one of those individuals had taken their mess and turned it into their message. I had a traumatic brain injury when I was a child. I was in kindergarten class at five years old, and I took a very bad fall into a heater, into a radiator at first.
6:53And I was rushed to the emergency room, and I kind of lost consciousness. And my parents said before I was very energized and very curious, very playful, as a five-year-old would be. but I became afterwards very shut down. And where I really showed up was in school. I would have these migraines every day of my life, you know, like when I was that age. I thought it was normal. I would have balance issues, so I was like bumping into things. I didn't have good coordination, poor focus, poor memory. It took me over three years longer to learn how to read, and that was just very embarrassing. I mean, you can imagine at that age, all the self-doubt kicks in, lack of confidence, why am I different from the other kids?
7:36Because I would work hard. My parents immigrated here in many jobs. We lived in the back of a laundromat that my mom worked at. So hard work was built in, but I wouldn't get the results as everybody else. And I remember when I was nine years old, I was slowing down a class and I was being teased more than usual. And a teacher came to my defense and said, leave that kid alone. That's the boy with the broken brain. and you could say that that label became my limit adults have to be very careful their external words because they often become a child's internal words so where did it show up every time i did badly in school or wasn't picked for sports which was pretty much every week always my self-talk was like oh it's because i have the broken brain and and those are my struggles and then it was every day like that until i was about 18 years old and found a mentor and found some real hope and help, you know, I changed everything around.
8:31And when I did, I started to tutor because I couldn't help but help other people. Because shame on me if somebody's struggling with something I was struggling with and I didn't help them, right? I feel a moral impetus to do what I do. I can think of a lot of other ways of making a living, especially because I'm very introverted, like very, very introverted. even though I'm in front of two, 300 ,000 people a year, cameras and attention, that spotlight, maybe a residue from being that kid that never knew the answers, never wanted. I was always shrinking down because didn't want to take up a lot of space because I didn't want to be called on.
9:09I didn't want to be picked on.
9:14And God has a sense of humor because my two biggest challenges growing up were learning and public speaking. And all I do for a living is public speak on this thing called learning. But it is really, my passion is helping people build better, brighter brains. No brain left behind. But when I started to help others, one of my very first students, she was a freshman in college, to answer even more of your question about what's possible, she read 30 books in 30 days. Now, not skim or scan, like a traditional speed reading, skipping words, and just getting the gist of what she read. She really read them and studied them.
9:48And I wanted to find out not how she did it. I taught her how. I want to know why. What was her purpose? You know, I think with reasons, reasons reap results, right? And it has to go from your head to your heart to your hands. But that heart, that emotion, it was her mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer. It was only given a couple months to live. And the books she was reading were books to save her mom's life. And, you know, I wish you luck, prayers. Six months goes by, I get a call from this young lady, and she's crying hysterically. And when she stops, I realize there are tears of joy that her mother not only survived, it's really getting better.
10:27Doctors don't know how or why. The doctors are calling it a miracle. But her mother attributed it 100 % to the great advice she got from her daughter, who learned it from all these books. And in that moment, I realized two things. I realized that if knowledge is power, then learning is our superpower. It's just not a superpower we're taught. Like there's no class on how to learn. And I think it's an important thing to add into our education or, you know, professional training development because, you know, they teach you what to learn, math, history, science. But there's no classes on how to learn, how to focus, right, how to concentrate, how to remember.
11:04And so I feel like this area of meta-learning, the science and learning how to learn is very important. But the second thing I learned was my dharma. My mission in life was to help people in this area who are struggling with distraction or forgetfulness or information overload. I believe we live in the millennium of the mind where it was, it's not like it was thousands of years ago where it was our brute strength, where we added value in society. Today, it's our brain strength. No longer is it our muscle power. Today, it's our mind power. And the faster you can learn, the faster you can earn. Because knowledge today is not only power, it is profit.
11:37And not just financial. Kind of obvious. You can easily remember names and faces and client information and product information. Give speeches without notes. Read three times faster. You're going to have an edge in business. But I mean all the treasures of our life. And so, yeah, my mission is no brain left behind. And I just want to help people have their best brain possible.
12:00Well, I love this. And there's so many different questions I want to ask. And so I may just be kind of random here. But I'm kind of going back to this vision thing. First of all, on StrengthFinders, my fourth strength is learning. And I feel like I'm at a stage in my life when I'm, you know, I've got less runway than I did 20 years ago. And there's still so much I want to learn. So what's possible? Like if I taught myself the kind of speed reading that you teach, what would be possible? And so many people in our audience I know are committed to learning and personal growth and want to read more, and they struggle with that.
12:37So what's possible? Give us a vision for what's possible. Regardless, again, of our age or stage in life, there's this huge potentiality for growth. I mean, there's this myth that we only use 10 % of our brain. We actually use 100 % of our brain. It's just some people use it more effectively and more efficiently than others. It's like we all, if you're climbing a hill, we all use like 100 % of our body. It's just some people could do it easier with more enjoyment because they've trained it, right? And same thing with our brain. but our brain doesn't come with an owner's manual and it's not user friendly.
13:11And so that's why, you know, we have our podcasts and our books and, you know, and they're really the goal here in terms of what's possible for like reading. We have this program that's been online for about more than 15 years, 17 years. And so we have a lot of data. We average improved reading speed 300%. So a three X with the same or better comprehension. Because traditional reading has been more associated with skimming words or skipping words and getting the gist of what you read. And we train a lot of doctors and financial advisors, attorneys. You don't want your doctor to get the gist of what she's reading, right?
13:55It's not probably the bad stuff. So true. So essentially reading something at 20 minutes, it normally takes an hour, right? If people have seen photos with me online with Elon or Oprah or whoever, people always want to know how we connected and are bonded. We bonded over books, right? I mean, you know this, you know, with your family being in the industry, you know, and been publishing and as authors, you know, somebody has decades of experience and they put it into a book and you could sit down and read that book in a few days. You could download decades into days. That's a huge advantage. and so it's very possible for the average person to be able to triple their reading speed with the same comprehension or better.
14:34One of the main reasons is because reading is a skill. It's not something we're born being able to do, and so it improves through training and discipline. But when's the last time we took a class called reading? How old were we? Six years old? Six or seven? So the difficulty of demand has increased tremendously, but how we actually read and learn is pretty much the same. So that growing gap creates a lot of stress. They call it information anxiety, higher blood pressure, a compression of leisure time, more sleeplessness, like you're taking a sip of water out of a fire hose. I mean, how many people do you know that buy books and they just sit on their shelf unread and it becomes shelf help, not self-help, right?
15:14As the adage says. But it's absolutely possible. It's just, we haven't learned how to read or taken a class usually since we were a child. And that's probably not the most effective way to be able to absorb, understand, and obtain information. That makes a lot of sense. You know, one of the things that I've learned about as a parent, I have two children who are dyslexic. And that's been really interesting because that's not something that I was aware of previously. My older children didn't struggle with that. And so as I've learned about that, I've also noticed as I've gotten older that I feel like my working memory, you know, my ability to hold information in my mind is not as good as it used to be.
16:01And my distractibility feels like it's increased also, you know, so I don't, I've not been diagnosed with ADHD, for example, or a working memory deficit. But I think that we're all becoming more aware of these learning challenges and neurodiversity and all kinds of things. So when you think about high achievers are in our community, where are some of the ways that adults struggle with learning that they might be unaware of? yeah the um so i talk about for the four horsemen in limitless i talk about the four horsemen of the mental apocalypse kind of an interesting like analogy and i um one of them and it's driven by technology i don't think technology causes them but it certainly has amplified it a lot so and a lot of these forces are invisible so uh so one of them for example is digital distraction how do you maintain your focus your concentration and a world full of rings and pings and dings app notifications, social media alerts.
17:06So I think that's one of the challenges. So that's why we focus on focus in terms of strategies on how to do that. The second one that could be holding you back, your productivity, your performance, definitely your peace of mind, is digital deluge, which is a term I coined because I wanted a letter A to make it all Ds, but that's the information overload, right? The amount of information now. I was doing a program at Google, and the chairman there had a quote saying, the amount of information that's been created from the dawn of humanity since humans walked the earth to year 2003, which was only, what, two decades ago?
17:44That amount of information now is created in two days online today. You think about podcasts and YouTube and blogs and social media, just there's so much content. So we're drowning in this information, but we're starving for ways to keep up, catch up, keep up. And that information overload, again, has health effects also, again, that higher blood pressure, compression of lesion time, more sleeplessness, and so on. So digital distraction, digital daylures. The third one that people might be experiencing is something called digital dementia. And this is a term in healthcare. It basically says the high reliance on technology, your brain, while it's an organ, it acts more like a muscle and it's use it or lose it.
18:24But if I put my arm in a cast for a year, it wouldn't grow stronger. It wouldn't even say the same, right? It would atrophy. Digital dementia is saying we're using technology to remember things for us. So think about your phones. It probably keeps your to-dos, your calendar, all your phone numbers, right? Just all this data. Like how many phone numbers did the two of you used to know? All of them. All of them. Yeah. I sometimes don't even know my own phone number anymore. Right. And I think most everyone listening would identify with that. that they used to remember all the numbers. And today they could count on one hand how many numbers, current numbers they know.
19:03And let me say upfront, I don't want to memorize 500 phone numbers, but it should be very concerning. We've lost the ability to remember one phone number or a pin number or a password or something we just read. I believe two of the most costly words sometimes in life are, I forgot. I forgot to do it. I forgot the appointment, that meeting. I forgot what I was going to say. I forgot what was said to me. I forgot that person's name. I mean, And every time we say these words, we lose trust, hurt a relationship, that whole idea. People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.
19:35And what's the message we're sending people when we forget things about them? Yeah. And so on the other side, when you could easily – memory is a magnifier. When you could remember important anniversaries and what's important to loved ones and things you need to do and things that you read and things like numbers. and, you know, names and faces, right? It just makes life a little bit easier. And then the third one, besides digital distraction, digital dementia, digital deluge, is a term I coined called digital deduction. I read a study where they said they tested, they concluded that this generation had, for the very first time, less logical rational abilities than the previous generation, and they were attributing it to technology.
20:20The technology is not just remembering things for you, it's thinking for you. Um, I mean, if you think about, I mean, just algorithms and like recommendations or what to eat or, or even how to get from here to there, you remember there was a time when we would have to try to figure out or use a map to be able to get from here to there. Yeah. But now, you know, on our phones, we have that GPS maps or whatever, and we don't even have to think. And so our visual spatial intelligence, you know, struggles and suffers, you know, there's a study done I talk about in the book. It's a very popular one, a taxi cab driver's study at Oxford.
20:57And they analyzed their brains because you have to study for years to know every road and street in that area. And that part of their brain was highly developed. But nowadays, you don't have to do that with technology because technology is doing the thinking for us. And so in the chapters of Limitless, we have the opposite. So if you're digital distraction, we have chapter on focus. If there's digital overload, we teach speed reading, accelerated learning. Digital dementia, we teach the largest chapter in the book is memory improvement. Digital deduction, we teach people how to think, right? How to make decisions, how to be more creative.
21:35And I just want to stress and underscore, it's not things that you have, it's things that you do. A lot of times I feel like what we're doing together in this community is about transcending. you know we're ending the trance and ending this mass hypnosis maybe through marketing or media that that we're not enough and that we're broken or some you know something there or self-hypnosis the words that we're saying to ourself you know at events it happens all the time people pill me aside in the lobby and say i know you're a memory coach and they almost are embarrassed about it they're like i or take some or some people take pride in it i have a horrible memory i'm just getting too old i'm not that smart and i always say the same thing i always say stop if you you fight for your limitations, you get to keep them.
22:19If you fight for your limitations, they're yours, right? And so that Henry, you know, the quote, if you think you can or think you can either way, you're right, right? Henry Ford said that. And so, you know, going back to this, to answer your questions, I feel like a lot of this is possible and a lot of people are struggling with the same things. And I think it's not really a hundred percent their fault because they were just never taught. We weren't really taught these things. But it feels like technology is changing faster than we can process whether or not it's good for us. And so we're just sort of imbibing of this fire hose of information and technology and the endless need to upgrade and go to the new thing.
23:07And I wanted to come back to a question about about reading. And this is a confession. And if you tell me that this is a bad thing to do, then I will change immediately. But I typically read on a Kindle or audiobooks. So I've accumulated so many books that for physical books, I don't really have any room left in my house. And there's a solution for that. But is it better to read a physical book? Yeah, great, great, great, great question. A lot is personal preference. So there's a quote in Limitless from a French philosopher says life is a letter c between letters b and d life is c between b and d or b is birth and d is death life c choice and and i believe our lives are the sum total of all the choices we made up to this point right what are we going to feed our minds what are we going to feed our bodies where are we going to live who are we going to spend time with what are we going to do for all those things right um and i believe these difficult times they could distract you these difficult times can diminish you or these difficult times they could develop you we we ultimately decide and when it comes to reading i think reading is like reading is to your mind what exercises your body people always ask like what's the best brain training app or exercise and i really think it's reading personally now we could ingest this uh form you know this as authors people could read it on a screen they can read a physical book they can listen to into your audiobooks and such So the answer would be the research I've seen say that when you're listening to a podcast, an audio book, as opposed to somebody who's reading, physically reading the book, in terms of the things that matter, comprehension and retention, for people reading the book tend to have better comprehension and retention.
24:52And I would guess one of the reasons why is because usually when somebody's listening to an audio book, they're doing something else. They're driving, they're cleaning the house, They're working out. And so that multitasking, which, you know, is more of a myth, they're task switching. So ultimately, they're not paying their attention is not fully there, as opposed to when you just have a book, you're not going to be driving when you're reading that book. Yeah, I read on a digital device when I'm traveling. My personal preference when I'm home is to read a physical book. But you're right, it's running on a shelf space.
25:29That's a real issue. But if I'm traveling, I do read a lot. Like there was a time I was reading a book a day for four and a half years. Now it's more like three to five books a week. But if I'm traveling for an extended period of time, you can't possibly travel. At least I can. I don't want to lug books around. So I do read on screens. It's just I prefer to read on paper personally. So that's why when I say life is C, the choice, my personal preference is physical books when I can. Because I just, I spend so much time on a screen. I'm just myself trying to, where I can limit it. But reading on a screen is, as I understand it, the same as reading a physical book.
26:07I know in my own practice, if I read on the Kindle on the iPad, it's a better experience, but I'm also more likely to get distracted. If I have it just on a Kindle device where that's literally the only thing I can do, that isolates me from all that distraction. That's a great tip for people listening.
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26:34So I want to go back to something you just said that my jaw just dropped. You just glossed over it like, you know, every day I go get the mail at the end of the driveway. So you said you read how many books a week typically? Three to five now. I mean, when I, yeah, at most I was reading a book a day for about four years. Wow. Okay. To do three to five books a week, how much time does that take? And I think I'd love for you to make the case that it's possible for even busy people to do some version of that. Even if people weren't a fast reader, like, so let's break this down. An average book, depending on the stats you look at, has approximately, on Amazon, I did an average, and the medium, actually the medium was 64 ,000 words.
27:20Now, probably a little bit more than that, but the average person reads approximately, let's say, 200 words per minute on the low end. If you divide 64 ,000 by 200 words a minute, that means it takes 320 minutes to get through one book. Now, that sounds like a lot, but if you break that down into seven days, that's 45 minutes a day of reading. We'll get you one book a week, 52 books a year. And 45 minutes is a lot, but an hour is, what, 4 % of our day? So it takes discipline. It takes scheduling. It takes a commitment to doing so. It may be 20 minutes in the morning and 20, 25 minutes in the afternoon or evening.
28:02You could break it down. Now, if you triple your reading speed, you could do that in 15 minutes a day, which is very, very doable. Now we're motivated. Right, right. So if it gets below that threshold where it's just, I believe, inch by inch, it's a cinch, yard by yard, it's too hard. But if you break it down to its component parts, it's very doable. Because the average person reads, what, two, three, four books a year? And somebody who's reading a book a week, 50-plus books a year, I feel like has a huge advantage, especially if they understand they'll be able to retain and execute and implement what they're reading.
28:41And I also want to just say, even though I have said knowledge is power, we all know that it's potential power only because power won't use it. My general guideline is for every hour I spend learning something, I just feel compelled to spend an equal hour putting it into play, putting it into action. And there's this Chinese proverb that says, what I hear, I forget. What I see, I remember. What I do, I understand. What I hear, I forget. I heard the name, I forgot the name. What I see, I remember. I saw your face, I remember the face. And what I do, going back to the power of practice, practice makes progress.
29:16And I feel like we don't know it unless we could do it. But also, I think also people don't read because for most people, since they haven't had training since they were six years old, they're not very good at it. like reading with have you read something katian just forgot what you just read oh yeah you get distracted or or you think about other things or you fall asleep or you know and you know if you're not good at something like i'm not very good at golf um so i don't play it often right because it's not fun for me because i'm not that capable yet and so i feel like when people improve there's in psychology there's that confidence competence loop the more competent you get at something the more confident you get at it and the more confident you get at something more you're going to do with that activity.
30:01So you get better and it's just a positive feedback loop. But I would say the important thing is, you know, I have a to read list. I think it's important to schedule it. I think one of the most important productivity performance tools we have is our, our calendars. You know, you schedule your parent teacher meetings or investor meetings or doctor meetings, but I don't think we schedule our implementation, our own personal growth. you know, as much. And if it's not on your calendar, at least for me, it just doesn't get done as easily. Absolutely. Okay. Well, I love that. And I'm so motivated by the way, if you're thinking to yourself, I have got to get what this man has, you want to pick up the limitless book and this is an expanded edition.
30:47You can get it anywhere, you know, better books are sold.
30:57You know, if we were talking to somebody that was a fitness coach, you know, we'd be saying, okay, what's the best things, you know, the four or five things we could do to optimize our physique or our physical prowess? What are the similar kinds of things for mental prowess? Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. So there's the software and there's the hardware. And so for me, how to remember languages, how to remember, I have a lot of actors or TED speakers memorize their speeches or scripts, you know, how to focus. These are the things you have. These are the things you do. And the benefit of taking a noun and turning to a verb is it gives you your agent.
31:33It just reminds you of your agency, right? You don't wake up and say, I hope I have creativity. I have focus. I have motivation to do X. These are the things you have because then that's like hope, right? We don't know. Hope's not a great legal strategy. These are things you do. And when you turn into a process, then you have power to be able to make things better, right? And so focus for me is a process. Remembering is, so you don't have a memory. There's a three-part process for memorizing something. You don't even have energy. There's a process. It's a verb where you could generate energy, you know, having to do with your sleep and your diet and your exercise and so on.
32:07Okay, so let's unpack this. One of the quick tips I would recommend for reading faster and improving reading focus is very simple. And sometimes I find that the simple things, because it's so simple and easy to do, sometimes people don't do it. So one of the things, and I'll give people a challenge. And they could post it on social media and tag us on it, all of us on it, so we get to see it, see how effective it is. But you need a baseline, right? Like how you know if it's going to work unless you test it. Because ultimately the person listening, I think, really is the expert on themselves. And so you could trust, but you could definitely validate and verify it.
32:48I would recommend everybody start here. Pick up a book, put a mark in the margin, and just read how you would normally read for 60 seconds. And when you're done, put a finishing mark in the margin. And then count the number of lines you just read in 60 seconds, right? It gives you a baseline, a base rate. And then, you know, in order to be able to manage it, you have to measure it. And then what I want you to do is pick up where you left off, time yourself for 60 seconds, and just do one simple thing different. Just underline the words as you're reading it. It doesn't matter if you're on a screen, if you're on a Kindle, just don't touch the screen.
33:17Don't touch the actual paper on the book. But just going back and forth, margin, margin. With your finger? With your finger or a pen or a highlighter or a mouse on a computer. but you're not actually writing on it or touching the book itself. You're just right above it, right? And you're just going margin to margin, not skipping anything. Because traditional speed reading, the reason why people get a gist is because they're taking their finger and going right down the page or making S forms or Z forms, but they're missing big chunks of information, right? Here, you're not skipping anything. You're just going forward, going back, back and forth.
33:49Do that for 60 seconds, and then put a mark in the margin, and then count the number of lines you just read. And for almost everybody listening, that second number will be about 25, 50 % better. Wow. Okay. Now, it doesn't sound like a lot, 25, 50%, but little things add up. 50 % would save you 20 minutes on every hour. I mean, just think, if everyone could just double their reading speed, the average person is processing information approximately, depending on what you look at, about four hours a day. You think about the information you're processing through research or reading or emails, social media, whatever, proposals, about four hours a day.
34:29If you could just double your reading speed, you save two hours a day. Two hours a day over the course of a year or even one hour a day over the course of a year is 365 hours. How many 40-hour work weeks is that? Nine, more than nine weeks. Two months of productivity you save just saving an hour a day on something ubiquitous like reading. So the reason we do so much, you know, we serve half of the Fortune 500 companies, we work a lot corporate is because, you know, if someone's getting four hours a day spent reading, that means half of their salary is being paid to read, right? And so we get that time can be better spent towards something else.
35:07So underlining the words as you read, because what it does, it helps you with a number of things. One of the obstacles effect of reading is regression, that back skipping we do unconsciously. Have your friend just stopped rereading words or rereading whole lines back to them. So when they have these sophisticated technology where they could shine a light in your eyes and they could show you where the person is looking, right? They use this in ads so they could see product placements, see where people's eyes unconsciously go. They put their product or brand in a line of sight, but they do that for reading.
35:39And you can see a lot of times people read and it's very sporadic. They go forward and then back and then forward and back. And there are these fixations that they call fixation is a stop. It's like an eye stop. And think about it, like if you're reading a book and there's about 10 words per line in the average book, that means their eyes fixate, you know, the fixation 10 times, it stops. And now if you relax your eyes, you're able to take more in, maybe see the word to the left and to the right of the original word, then you see three words in one fixation. So kind of like when you're driving, it's like if you're in heavy traffic, you're like, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, as opposed to maybe somebody who could take three or four words in one glance and maybe only make two or three stops across the page.
36:25So the focus, they call it a visual pacer, using something to help you to focus. It prevents you from back skipping. It also helps your focus because, okay, so here's the reason you use a visual pacer. First of all, children use it. We have a 17-month-old who's starting to read, and he naturally is pointing at the words until maybe some education systems tell you not to use your finger. Now, children naturally organically do it. It's kind of interesting. We do it too. So nobody usually reads with their finger, but when I ask you to count the number of lines you just read in 60 seconds, everybody's going using their finger pointing, it's visual pacer.
37:09And the reason why is our eyes are attracted to motion. If something ran across your room, you wouldn't no longer look at me. As a hunter-gatherer, you have to look at what moves because it's your survival. If you're in a bush hunting lunch, like a rabbit or a carrot, depending on what people's lunch is, if the bush next to you moves, you have to look because number one, it could be lunch, or number two, you could be lunch. We're hardwired to look at what moves the most. And so when you're underlining the words, your eyes are attracted to the motion and you're pulled through the information as opposed to your attention being pulled apart.
37:43The other thing though is it's how your nervous system is set up. Certain senses work very closely together. I don't know if the two of you ever tasted a fresh piece of fruit, not something that's been sprayed in wax and sitting in a store for six months, but right off the vine, farmer's market. Have you ever tasted a great tasting peach before? I have some at my house right now. It's peach season here. Likewise. It's here too. And you're not actually tasting the peach because your tongue's not capable of tasting what a peach tastes like. You're actually smelling the peach. But your sense of smell and taste are so closely linked in your nervous system that your mind can't tell the difference.
38:22It knows the difference when you're congested and you can't breathe through your nose, food tastes more bland, right? Just as your sense of sight and your sense of smell and taste are so closely linked in your nervous system, so is your sense of sight and your sense of touch. So people literally using their finger while they read will say they feel more in touch with their reading, right? And even with our son, I take my keys, I say, look at my keys, look at my keys, naturally, in order for them to see it, he has to touch them. In fact, if someone loses their sense of sight, how do they read? They use Braille, their sense of touch.
39:00So I would encourage everybody, a takeaway from this that could save you hours and hours that you could put towards things that matter more is using your finger while you read. And then the second thing that would help you not only for your focus, I know that Tubi talk about this, it's just asking more questions and better questions. You know, your brain primarily is a deletion tool. We're trying to keep information out. Like even as I'm talking to you, I'm trying to keep like our dogs are outside on the beach like barking. I could hear them from here. I'm trying to delete it, right? Because at any time there's so much information.
39:38If we let it in, we would be overloaded and overwhelmed, right? We would go insane. So what do we allow in? are the things that matter to us. And one of the filters is that part of our brain is a reticular activating system, RAS, right? And how we hijack it, one of the tools is asking questions. So when we ask a question, we shine a spotlight on something we weren't, we were deleting, right? An example is I have a younger sister and years and years ago, she would send me emails and postcards of a very specific breed of dog. It was a pug dog. And I don't know why she's doing it. But I realized her birthday was coming up and she's a really good marketer and she's seeding a gift, right?
40:17But the funny thing happened, the two of you, like I started seeing these pug dogs everywhere in my neighborhood. I would go to the grocery store and the person in front of me is checking out at the cashier holding a pug dog. I'd be jogging in my neighborhood and I swear, there's this guy walking six pug dogs. And my question for everyone listening was, did those pug dogs just magically teleport and manifest into my neighborhood? No. They were always there, but my brain was deleting it because it wasn't important to me until I started asking the questions. So my question for everybody here is when they're reading, what questions are they asking?
40:52Because if you have questions about how can I use this, why must I use this, how does this relate to what I already know, and so on, then when you're reading, you're like, oh, there's a pug dog, there's a pug dog, there's a pug dog, right? And those questions give you focus, and the focus leads to comprehension and better retention. And then if you ask questions that nobody's asked before, you'll get answers nobody's ever gotten before. So I feel like even when you're meeting somebody for the first time, you want to remember their name, try asking yourself why. Like, why do I want to remember this person's name?
41:23Maybe to show the person some respect or create a business contact, a referral, a sale, practice these things I learned on this podcast. Because again, reasons reap results. If we don't have a reason to remember something, we're probably not going to. And so I think a couple of ideas to improve our reading ability is your visual pacer. If you want greater speed, use your finger while you read. If you want better comprehension, ask more questions. So at the beginning of every chapter of Limitless, you'll see I have three priming questions. So that way there's a target when they're reading. So good.
42:02And then the other thing, the question is forced focus, right? It forces you to be present as opposed to maybe disempowering questions like, how come I can't learn this? Or why does this always happen to me? Or this end rule. And then this cycle of negative momentum. That's really what we're doing in the Full Focus Planner. When people are using the Full Focus Planner and they open it up to the daily page, they're asking themselves, what are the three most important things I must accomplish today? Which is very different than how am I going to get all this stuff done? That's a very different kind of question.
42:35Same thing when they're doing a weekly preview and they're looking back and they're looking ahead and they're doing that on a quarterly basis annually. I mean, I think that's such a breakthrough. I have another question that I want to explore just a little bit, the mind-body connection. And I want to give you a scenario that happened to me just this week. I was in Chicago for a workshop that I go to once a quarter. and the night before I was very agitated because I was attending a meeting that was a lot of conflict involved. So I couldn't go to sleep. I only slept five hours and normally I get about eight, seven or seven and a half to eight.
43:10Got five hours. The next morning I woke up and I felt like I had sleep deprivation induced dementia. I literally could not, and I don't even know if that's a thing, but I couldn't remember stuff. My short-term memory was gone. I could hardly talk. And it was the craziest thing. But then I got a good night's sleep. Everything's back to normal. Yeah. What's happening there? Sure. So sleep is so very important for the brain. I mean, you just illustrated when you get a poor night's sleep, how's your focus the next day? How's your ability to solve problems? How's your mental energy? How's your memory?
43:44Three things for the brain. When you sleep, you consolidate short to long-term memory. And so people have a long-term, anyone listening has long-term memory issues, you might want to get a sleep study. Your doctor, you don't, no longer do you have to go into a clinic. They could send it to you. You could do it at home. It's pretty simple and straightforward. The second thing that happens when you sleep, the sewage system in your brain kicks in and you clean out the beta amyloid plaque that could lead to brain aging challenges. So I lost my grandmother to Alzheimer's when I was seven. And she used my, this is my parents' work a lot.
44:20She was like everything for me. So we donated all the proceeds, my author proceeds to Limitless to Alzheimer's research for women. Women are twice as likely to experience Alzheimer's than men, yet most of the research is done on men and treatments on men and also to build schools in Ghana, Guatemala, Kenya. But we're very passionate about scaling people to have, again, better brains and better learning. I would say also when you sleep, you dream. And people don't realize, they might not realize that a lot of things in culture were created in dream states. Like Mary Shelley came up with Frankenstein in her dream.
45:01Paul McCartney came up with the song Yesterday in his dream. A chemist came up with a framework for the periodic table in his dream. And my question for everybody here is like, what do you, because your brain doesn't shut off at night. In some ways, it's more active and integrating, which is learn and long-term memory and cleaning out your brain. And what are we dreaming at night that could be very significant to solving problems that we're focused on during the day? That's why in the morning, I write down my dreams. I have this process that just help us remember our dreams because I feel like there's a lot of treasure there also as well.
45:35How cool. Yeah. But sleep is so very important. My favorite sleep ideas that really move the needle. And there's a whole chapter in there. Direct sunlight first thing in the morning, 10 minutes. Not through the glass window because that could filter out some of the spectrum of light. And the reason is your eyes are the only part of your brain that's outside of your skull. And it helps to reset your circadian rhythm so you sleep better that evening. And number two, I'm very sensitive to caffeine. So I have to be careful past noon personally. I would say most people have an alarm to wake up, I would highly recommend use that same alarm to go to sleep.
46:10Meaning your brain loves a rhythm, your sleep loves a schedule, even on the weekends. If you go to sleep at the same time and wake up at the same time, you'll get better sleep overall. And then the big ones, we would know thousands of years ago, it'd be time to sleep because the environment would tell us there'd be a decrease in temperature and decrease in light. So cooler, you know, darker, you know, the better. And what's hard is like, you know, when you're on your screens, because that produces light and it fools our mind into thinking it's still daylight. And so that's why I don't like touching my phone the first 30 minutes of the day.
46:44And then the last 30 minutes of the day, it's just kind of non-negotiable. That's a good rule.
46:59Well, Jim, I feel like we could talk to you for a day and a half about this, and I hate to cut it off, but I know you have a hard stop. So we have a quick lightning round of questions to ask you. The first one is what's your biggest obstacle right now in getting the double win, winning at work and succeeding at life? So we have a 17 month old. You could just put a period right after that. Yeah. Five hours of sleep would be, would be a blessing. Uh, right, right about now. Um, yeah, it's so that, and I don't see it as a balance. Like it's so like the words I affect me a lot. So for me, balance feels, um, like, uh, if you look up balance is equal weight, you know, and I feel like not every, my life is not equal weight.
47:52Like I don't want to spend an equal amount of time in the gym as I do on my mission. And, you know, like if you look at like an orchestra, not every instrument or person contributes this equal amount, but they come together and there's a science and an art to it and create a symphony and there's harmony. And so that's what I'm striving for. I think what gets in my way besides a growing family would be I want to do so much. I feel like this moral impetus to help as many people as possible. And sometimes when I allow myself time to self-care or do something else, I feel like am I not doing enough?
48:37So that's an internal struggle. I think a lot of people will relate to that. How do you know when you've gotten the double win? Not perfectly, because none of us ever get it perfectly, but how do you know? I could tell you exactly what works for me. Instead of touching my phone first thing in the morning, I do a mental exercise I've done forever. I keep my eyes closed when I wake up, and I just do a thought experiment. I imagine myself coming back to bed, and my wife asked me how my day was. I was like, today was amazing. Today was incredible. We really crushed it today. And then I asked myself what had to happen in order for me to feel that way.
49:16And I come up with, this is interesting for double one, I come up with three things personally and three things professionally. And those six things, and they don't have to be huge things, become my target. And those are my six things I focus on for that day. Beautiful. I love that. Yeah. Because I feel like in sports, and I don't watch a lot of sports, you know when it's time to celebrate because the scoreboard tells you. We don't think we create that for our days. And I'm not going to, like your to-do list has 300 things and that's, yeah, that's not giving me the, I focus on the thing. I think the most important thing is not about time management, it's about priority management, it's about mind management.
49:54And the most important thing is to keep the most important thing the most important thing. Yeah, well said. So I came into that. Okay, last question. What's one ritual or routine that helps you do what you do? Okay. Besides that thought experiment I do about the kind of the three and the three in the morning, I just want to make sure I get my meds in every day. Meds. And they're not pharmaceutical. It's just an acronym. M is meditation. I need that 10 minutes or 20 minutes to disconnect, to reconnect. And that's very important to me. That's like my time. The E is exercise. Movement is key for the brain.
50:34When you move, as your body moves, your brain grooves. And so when you exercise, you create brain-derived neurotropic factors, BDNF, which is like fertilizer for neuroplasticity. And you also create dopamine, serotonin, endorphins, these neurotransmitters that are so important for cognitive health. The D is my diet. So one more ritual is just what you eat matters, especially for your gray matter. and there's certain is a whole i have two chapters in the book on neuro nutrition one on diet and one on supplements and there are certain ingredients that have just are neuroprotective for some foods like like like avocados and blueberries i call them brain berries you know wild salmon sardines turmeric eggs if your diet allows a choline it's very good for cognitive health dark chocolate and then also nutrients that have are nootropics that have moved the needle to help me focus to help improve memory.
51:26I have a list. If people don't want to get the book, it's a free one at brainnutrition.com. And I list 30 supplements, ingredients with human studies that have been shown to be good for cognitive health and performance. So that's diet. And then finally, the S in meds is sleep. You know, what we were talking about earlier is so, so very important. So I guess my one thing is meds, but it's really like, it's really four things. So I kind of game that. I love that. It's so practical. And I think it gives us a good track to run on. And you've added so much value in this podcast. I mean, my head's exploding.
52:01I feel like we've scratched the surface and probably the listeners do too. So pick up Jim's book, Limitless, go to his website, check out his courses. Can you give us the URL for that? Yeah. People just, I'm easy to find online. Just search Jim quick. He has spelled right. K-W-I-K. it's my real name, my father's name, my grandfather's name. I didn't change it to do what I do. And yeah, in the podcast app on YouTube or wherever you're listening to this, I just want to thank both of you for having me on your show. I would do this just to be able to connect deeper with you. And I look forward to having you on our show.
52:38And I just want to remind everybody that I believe that there's a version of yourself that's patiently waiting. And the goal is we show up every single day until we're introduced. I'm not talking about hustle. I think actually it's this pendulum. You can stretch, but there's this surrender, there's this force, and there's this flow. But the things that we do, I always tell people life is like an egg. If an egg is broken by an outside force, then life ends. But if an egg is broken by an inside force, then life begins. And great things begin on the inside. And I want to remind everyone who are listening to this, they have greatness inside of them.
53:13They've self-selected. they're on this path to reveal and realize their fullest potential. And it's a real honor to be on this journey with all of you. Thank you so much, Jim. Thanks, Jim. Phenomenal.
53:29Okay. I got to be honest. My head exploded. I know, right? That was so powerful. And I've got so many things I want to do. I feel like I just added 10 things to my to-do list, but at the very top for me is I've got to learn speed reading. Not because I want to read more content, which I do, but I also want to retain more. And so I'm just amazed to think that you can actually do both of those things at the same time. I know. I kept thinking about my kids with their learning challenges that they have and how much his strategies could help them. But I'm also, like many of you, I am a very busy mom with five kids.
54:06until recently, I've been in a home renovation and trying to run and grow a business and a coach. There's so many things going on. I love to learn, but I don't have a lot of time to do it. And I would say that's at the top of my list of frustrations. It's like our daughter for Mother's Day filled out this little thing all about my mom. And it said, if my mom had more time, and she said she would take a nap, which is true, but she would also read even more. And so I feel like I just got time given back to me that I can reinvest in other areas while really fulfilling my potential as a learner. Yeah.
54:38I think it expanded my vision for what's possible. I can read more books. I can recall more information. And the whole memory thing, that also was outstanding because I thought, I really want to convey to people that I'm passionate about this, that they matter, that they're seen, that they're acknowledged. And nothing does that better than remembering their name or remembering facts about them. Yes. But I've, up until now, I've struggled with that. And I even try, like before we have a mastermind or some kind of event, I'm always trying to review the names and everything to get familiar with them.
55:11But there's got to be a better way. And Jim's got that. And I'm excited about what that's going to make possible for my relationships. Yeah, I think so too. And relationships are such a huge part of being a professional. You know, I mean, that's really where the magic happens or where it doesn't happen. And I think this, again, it's another leverage point that we have not taken advantage of until now. And, you know, I mean, at this season of our careers, there's not a lot of things we've literally never heard of before. But like the ideas that he shared, I was like, I've never heard that before.
55:42That is so fascinating. I cannot wait to dig in to the details of the book and see how I can put this into practice. As a professional speaker, one of the things I enjoyed was not only his content, but how he packaged it. Yes. Like he was a master of having very clear frameworks like the meds framework. Yes. And being very pithy in terms of how he said things so that they were memorable. Yep. So that's also an aspiration that he didn't really talk about, but it's an aspiration for me. I want to be more like Jim. And I'm an introvert. You're an introvert. So he shared that. Okay. So my favorite one of those that he shared was breaking an egg.
56:16When he was talking about the egg, you know, what did he say when it breaks from the inside? Well, he said when it breaks from the outside, that's a bad thing. Right. And that's death. Yeah. And when it breaks from the inside, that's a good thing because that's the beginning of life. Yeah. I mean, will you ever forget that? No. No. You can see it in your mind. It's so great. Great metaphor. Well, guys, I hope you'll take one thing from this show today and put it into practice. We'd encourage you to leave us a review, preferably a five-star review, but only if you can do that honestly. But do that for us wherever you listen to podcasts because it will help us to expand the reach of the podcast so that we have a greater impact and get this message of the double win out to the public.
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