STU MCLAREN: More Money, More Impact

25:58But during that first year of his life, he lived in this foster home. We call it a five-star foster home because he lived with two grandma-like figures. They were incredible women. And unfortunately, one of them has since passed. But the other one, her name is Sonia. And she at any one time would have between nine to 15 young babies and kids that she was looking after. And yeah, God bless her. She's amazing. And so long story short, we thought, you know, she's in her mid 70s. And we thought, wouldn't it be amazing to bring her over to Canada to see all of the kids now as they've gotten older. So last year, we flew her over to Canada.

26:48We hosted an event at our house while she was there. There was probably about 75 people with all the families. She got to see all the kids, got pictures with all the kids. And then we flew her across Canada. She did like a Canada-wide tour. And so she went to like four different locations across Canada, and she got to see like all the families and the kids that were across Canada. It was one of the most special moments. And that's why we do this, like to be able to have the financial resources to create memories and to have impact, whether it's your favorite charity causes, whether it's like as a team building thing or whether it's just people that you love.

27:29So I love making money because of what it enables us to be able to do. Well, you're so generous. I mean, you're one of the most generous people I've ever met. And I love that about you. It's inspiring. When I get around generous people, it makes me want to be generous. So thank you for that. And also kind of clearing the path for thinking better about money. I mean, no problem with making lots of money, but it's especially powerful when you can channel that to help other people.

28:08So I want to go back to this double win idea with you, Stu. And usually, you know, there's a point at which, especially with startups and, you know, your new membership or your membership company, where you have to go all in and work really hard. And how have you dealt with that through your career in those moments when it's kind of all in and maybe everything else takes second place? How do you keep things in balance? It's hard, really hard. I'm in a season right now where we're really ramping a whole bunch of things up. But I'm also have two amazing kids. You know, our daughter Marla, she's 13.

28:47Our son Sam, he's 10. And they're at this real tender age because there are so many influences in their lives right now. And I read a great book from a friend of mine named Jim Shields. It's called 18 Summers. And the principle is that you only have 18 summers with your kids. So make the most of them. And when I think about that now, like with Marla, I've got one hand left. I've got five left with her. With Sam, I've got eight left. That puts things into perspective very, very quickly. So I'm in a season where we want to ramp up and we want to go fast and furious, but at the same time, like my kids are priority.

29:32And what's helped me is just to realize that I'm not saying no, that I don't want to achieve all these things in my business and in my career, but it's really about identifying that there's a season for these different types of things. And that season right now is not, you know, going all in on the business and working a million hours a day. This season is being able to grow the business, but in a sustainable way that gives me time with the kids. And so the other day, this was a couple months ago, we were walking the kids to school, which is one of the things that Amy and I do every day is we walk our kids to school.

30:12And the reason we love that is because it gives time to have great conversation with the kids. There's no devices. There's no distractions. It's just pure quality time. And it's a two kilometer walk. So it takes a good, you know, you know, 20, 25 minutes. And one of the questions I asked the kids on this particular day was, what do you love about having entrepreneurial parents? I was just curious what they, how they would respond to that. And Marla, without hesitation, right away. She said, I love that you are home a lot because they're at this age now where they start seeing friends whose parents are working a lot.

30:53They're gone before the kids even get up. They sometimes get home after the kids have already gone to bed. They very rarely see them during the week. And kids, whether it's consciously or subconsciously, they start picking up on that. And when I heard Marla say that, like it really, it really hit home why this period of time is so important and to make it a priority. So I think for me, Michael, we've put a few things in place to help keep me on track, you know, some boundaries, so to speak, like one of them, for example, is when the kids come home, work shuts off and that's their time. And, you know, secretly, Michael, like, I don't have to completely shut off because they come home, they're home for like an hour and a bit, and then they're off to their own activities, whether it's like dance or skipping or whatever.

31:42And so then I get like another hour and a bit of time while they're at those activities if I want to work a little bit more. But the key is when they come home, I'm present and there for them. So that's one rule. Weekends were totally off. I don't do work on weekends. And then the other rule is like I get asked a lot to speak and I love speaking. Like it's one of my favorite things to do. But our simple rule is that I'm never gone for more than four days a month. And if another opportunity comes, I have a choice. I either have to say no and keep that commitment to my family, or we bring the kids with us.

32:15And so we've brought the kids with us on many occasions to where they've actually come up on stage with me in front of 7 ,500 people. That was like one of my cherished moments last year. My son and daughter are speaking and introducing me in front of 7 ,500 people. Like those opportunities I love and cherish. But those boundaries and rules have kind of helped keep me in place. Yeah. You know, I was just thinking as you were talking, I love the outcome, the picture that you've created of what the double win can look like. And of course it looks different for everybody, but I love having this vivid picture.

32:51And is there anything else that you're doing when you think about how you approach work? Like how are you able to grow your business, for example, with, you know, a more limited schedule, you're not working all the time, you know, you're, you're shutting off when the kids come home. Like, how does that work? Well, I think, um, a couple of things that I would kind of speak to that one, I think communication is really important, like communicating what's, uh, what your priorities are and what's important. I'll give you an example. So years ago, we had done a big promotion for our signature course.

33:27And we had thousands and thousands of people coming in to the program. There's a lot of excitement and energy. And with that, you kind of get like swept up in it. Like you just, I wanted to, you know, talk to everybody, welcome everybody, like, and support everybody. And what I realized, though, was it was starting to creep into the weekends. And, you know, I was starting to check my email, starting to check the discussion areas. And Amy, again, amazing, incredible woman. She kind of gave me the reality check. She's like, hey, I'm noticing that you're not as present. And she was right. So we talked about it.

34:12And then what I decided to do was communicate that to our community. And I said, you know, this is important for me to have this, to be present with my family on the weekends. And so with that, don't, please don't expect immediate responses during the weekends. And I don't expect, I would encourage you, you know, to use the time as well to be present, you know, with the people that matter most in your life. and we created that boundary and we created it not only for myself, but also for the team, you know, that expectation that our team wasn't going to be as present during the weekends. And I was, wasn't sure how it would be received, but what was interesting was there was like this rallying cry, like, yes, thank you.

34:56And it was just like people, like we had given people permission themselves to let go during the weekend. And so I think, you know, holding onto it, Megan is, is really about communicating, communicating with those that you serve, your customers, your people, communicating the priorities and the values that you have. And then, you know, people then understand your behavior. If you don't communicate it, they may just think that you're avoiding talking to them on the weekend or that you just don't like them or you're not responsive. And it's none of those things. It's just that there's a priority that has been set.

35:31And once they're clear about that, then you don't mismanage expectations. And so I think that that really helps. You know what I love about this is that this whole thing of creating boundaries is not a one and done thing. No. And like the conversation that you had with Amy, I literally just had that conversation with Gail three weeks ago. Now I've been working on this for two decades and I still slip into, and what happened to me was I was sitting in the den on my laptop in the evening and she said, why are you doing that? You know, this is supposed to be our time. And I gave some flimsy excuse like, well, we're in the middle of this thing and whatever.

36:09And she said, you're kind of always in the middle of something. And I said, you're right. And so I just purposed that I was going to leave my laptop in my office, which is behind the house and just not bring it in at night. And that's been so great. But I just become unconsciously or just unaware of what's happening and slip into those old patterns. So I think we've got to constantly be vigilant. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. this particular week, both the kids are at an overnight camp and Amy is away in Kenya. So I'm home alone, which I was just like, as an introvert, I was like, this is amazing.

36:46But I bring this up because you do slip back into old patterns so quickly. And what I've noticed is like with Amy not there, I'm going to bed way later than I normally would. My eating patterns have gone out the door, like a bag of popcorn for dinner is like a home run win for me. And then like, you know, I, and I'm burning myself out, let exercise, I wasn't exercising anywhere near as much. And I had this moment like legit last night. I was just like, Whoa, I haven't even taken the dog for a walk. I like a letter outside and that's it. I'm like, dude. And so I went for a run, took the dog with me and it felt a million, uh, like a million bucks afterwards.

37:25But it is so easy to be able to very quickly slip back into old habits. And it's something I think you got to work on all the time. And it's, but it is easier when you have somebody holding you accountable. So I know you're grateful for Gail to hold you accountable. I'm super grateful for, uh, Amy to hold me accountable. And I would probably say the same for, uh, you Megan with Joel as well. Like I think a marriage is all about, you know, keeping the priorities in front, front and center for each other. Yeah. And it's easy to just kind of resent that other person. You know, I think we, we hear that sometimes from our clients and we probably all had that experience of your first impulse can just be like, why are you on my case?

38:01But it's such a gift, whether it's your spouse or a business partner or a friend, like when somebody calls you on that, it just like you establishing that boundary for yourself in front of your community. It's like, it gives other people permission. And especially if you're in a position of leadership, maybe you're not the business owner, but maybe you have somebody reporting to you or a whole bunch of people, whatever you do is what they think they've got to do. And so if you care about your people, they're not going to be present with their families, if they think you're on all the time, like that just becomes the de facto standard.

38:32Like the domino effect. Yeah. I want to take a moment and acknowledge both of you, like the work that you're doing with the double win is bringing and surfacing that whole idea to the surface. And it's creating that awareness. I think so many of us operate on a subconscious level where we're just doing the things subconsciously because that's how they've always been done or that's the way that we've always done them. But what you're doing is you're creating a conscious awareness that you can have this double win, but you got to be intentional about it. You got to put the work in, you got to think about it.

39:03And so I just want to take a moment and acknowledge you both because this podcast is a perfect example of that, of making it an option for people where now they start to realize they have a choice. Every day we have a choice and it's up to us in terms of what we decide to choose. Well, there's so many entrepreneurs out there, and thankfully less than there ever have been, I think, but advocating for this hustle culture, where you're going to work 80 hours a week. But now I'm hearing all kinds of people talking about, actually, that's not sustainable. So I recently heard, Brendan Burchard's been preaching that, even Gary Vaynerchuk, who was talking about working so many hours before.

39:42And it's just beautiful to see this become kind of a movement where people are saying, like, I don't want to compromise on my success. I want to be successful and fulfilled at work. But at the same time, I can't compromise my most important priorities sort of on the altar of my own ambition. Right. Otherwise, what's it for? And you end up actually undermining your own success. You end up undermining your impact, all those things. If it's not sustainable, what's it worth anyway? Well, I had a period of time in 2020 when COVID hit. That was a really crazy time because there was so much uncertainty.

40:20Nobody knew how the impact of the pandemic would affect all of our businesses. And, you know, for us in the online space, it actually became this incredible opportunity because everybody was home, everybody was online. And so our business our best year ever, you know? And so we rode that wave and, you know, it was great and I'm grateful for it. I wouldn't want the pandemic again, you know, for the record, like I'm not grateful for the pandemic, but you know, I'm grateful for the opportunity of everybody being at home. But about a year later, I, as a business owner, started to realize that I was running a million miles a minute because of that uncertainty.

41:08And in Canada, the pandemic actually extended much longer because there was still lockdowns. You still couldn't do a lot of things. So I was still very isolated. And in August of 2021, I started to know consciously that something was wrong because I would walk the kids to school with Amy. I'd come home. I'd jump on the Peloton and I'd ride like crazy. I'd shower and then I'd sit in this chair in our house. and I would literally just stare out the window for hours, not doing anything. And I knew I was in a funk. I had never been in a funk like that. Like, you know, years ago when you guys encouraged me to take the StrengthsFinders test, positivity was like number one on my list.

41:55So I've never ever like been in a funk like this, but I knew I was in a funk, but I didn't know how to get out of it. And so day after day would go by and I would have the same routine and Amy would come and she'd check in on me and I'd have my computer there. So it quote looked like I was working. I wasn't doing anything. And I started to feel this heavy sense of embarrassment so much so that I didn't even feel comfortable talking to Amy about it. I definitely didn't talk to my team about it. And so I was alone in this and I just could see my, I could feel myself spiraling, like going down, down, down.

42:29And I had no idea how to get out of it. And fortunately for me, the one thing that I was doing was riding the Peloton And the reason I was riding the Peloton a lot was I had signed up for this challenge called 29029. And essentially you climb the equivalent of Mount Everest in 36 hours or less. And so I'd signed up for this challenge. So I was training for this thing. And so this rolls around in October. And it was the first time that Amy and I would be leaving Canada since the pandemic hit. And it was actually the first time that I would be around other people since the pandemic. hit. And so I get to this event and I just get swept up in the positive energy.

43:12And I realized like, even though I'm an introvert and I enjoyed the alone time, like I get energy from people that bring good energy. And, and so I started to like, you know, starting to snap out of it a little bit. Then, then I finally shared with Amy, like what I was going through and, and she had an instinct that, you know, something wasn't right. And we talked about it and we, and we started to collaborate on what we could do to shift gears. And then I started like reprogramming myself because the world at the time was doom and gloom. The news anytime is doom and gloom. It's always focused on the bad and the negative.

43:49And when you're in a bad place and you're fueling more bad information, it just, it compounds, it gets worse. So I knew I had to get that junk out. And I started going old school. I started listening to people like Jim Rohn and Zig Ziglar and Tony Robinson and Louise Hayes. And I was just like trying to infuse my brain with positivity and personal development. And then another friend of mine, Dean Graziosi, he invited me to come down and consult for him and his membership that he has with Tony Robbins. And I went down to Arizona and I started to realize again, the importance of getting around incredible people.

44:28And I share all this because as business owners, sometimes we're fighting that solo fight. And because we've always been maybe the high achiever, maybe we've always been the provider, maybe we've always, you know, lifted that weight ourselves. We, we feel bad talking to anybody about things when they are tough or that they are challenging or that we may be struggling with. And, and I know for me personally, like I felt very much embarrassed by this situation, but I just want to share with other entrepreneurs, like in those moments, you're going to have those moments. You're going to have those moments of self-doubt.

45:09You're going to have those moments of challenge. You're going to have those moments when you don't want to continue moving forward. And the crazy thought does enter your mind of like, well, maybe I just pack it all in, like, forget it. And I'll just, you know, for me, it was like, maybe I'll just go get another job. Like it'll just simplify life. And like those thoughts that, you know, don't align with like who you are and what you want to do. They will creep into your mind. This is why I just think like, it's so important for us as entrepreneurs to surround ourselves with other people who can also keep us on track, who can also hold us accountable, can also check in with us and, and have that relationship with us so that you're not fighting these fights by yourself.

45:53And so I know you guys have an incredible mastermind. Each of you do. I just think it's for entrepreneurs or business owners or people in business, it's just so important to get around others because there will be challenges and you just don't want to fight those fights alone. I think so much of that, and I do a lot of private coaching of entrepreneurs in addition to the masterminds, but I feel like I spend so much of my time trying to normalize their experience and just assure them that they're not alone, that this is normal. But when they get around to other people that are in a similar situation, they can draw life and encouragement from that.

46:29Because that feeling of being isolated, like you're all alone, and you start thinking, there must be something wrong with me. No, this is normal. This is normal. There's nothing broken. You just probably need to get around other people that can be an encouragement to you. Yeah, for sure. Stu, I'm in your mastermind, which I mentioned in the intro, and that's exactly why I joined that group. You know, obviously I knew you going into it and I also knew the kind of people that you bring together and I thought that's a really important part of my life that I'm missing right now and I need other people who are doing what I'm doing who can encourage me and I think, you know, that's why we talk about when we talk about the double win, community is one of the life domains and whether it's in your personal life or your professional life, You need people who can help you, you know, reach your potential and can help you when things are hard and when things are good.

47:25And I think otherwise, you know, we just find ourselves in a place of loneliness that undermines our best efforts and intentions. So thank you for sharing that story. That's a really vulnerable story to share, and I think it'll be encouraging to people. Yeah, I just think that there's also strength in sharing the struggle, you know. And I think the more we can normalize the fact that, you know, even though you're a high achiever, you will experience challenge at some point. Somebody is experiencing challenges right now. I saw yesterday a gentleman that I've known for years who was on vacation with his family just suddenly collapsed and they couldn't revive him and he passed away.

48:08And I remember, like yesterday, I legit just read that post and my heart just dropped. And I just thought, golly, you just never know. You just never know what can and will happen. And I just, I share all this because we got to make the most of the time that we've got. and uh we just can't we just can't struggle by ourselves and uh yeah and i just think that the more that we can normalize the fact that we all experience struggles and and that you have somebody that you can just reach out to and say hey things are tough right now i just need somebody to talk to about it or i just need to uh brainstorm or mastermind a little bit around this or um hey I don't need any advice.

49:04I just want to get this off my chest. The more that we can normalize that that's okay and that that's a normal thing, even for high achievers, especially for high achievers, I just think the more success we will experience. Because when you fight that fight alone, you go into a very dark place. And then, like I said, things just seem to spiral. And so you just got to break the cycle. And I think conversation and talking about it openly is a strength and we want to encourage it. It's really true. It's why we talk about anxiety. Yeah. It's why we talk about both of us have a therapist on speed dial.

49:41I'm going this afternoon. And I just think that's so important. You've got to have support systems and you've got to just expect if you're out of your comfort zone doing big things all the time, you're going to experience seasons of uncertainty, of anxiety, depression, whatever. And it's just about like, do you have some supports ready to go. You know, I may have told you this story before, Stu, but when I became the CEO of Thomas Nelson Publishers, that very day, I got this call from John Maxwell and he congratulated me. And then he said, you know, you've heard that it's lonely at the top. And I said, yes.

50:14And I just sort of assumed that that was the case, that I was going to be lonely at the top. And he said, I want you to know that's a choice. And that was like one of the most revolutionary things that any leader has ever said to me. And I realized that was a choice and that I could build community. And I always haven't been perfect at it because I can be a lone ranger, but man, I like running in a pack. It's so much better. Yeah, I really do. And that's amazing to hear the words that John was speaking into, because I think that's true leadership. He's known for leadership, but that's true leadership in action because it's like recognizing that moment and how important it is and that you've gotten to the top of the CEO of this incredible company, but also recognizing that it comes with its own challenges.

51:02And I think that that, you know, I think of a phrase and a saying that I first heard from one of my good friends, Barry Baumgartner. She said, you know, new level, new devil. So it doesn't matter like what level of success you get to, you're still going to experience challenges, right? We just, as we grow, we just become better equipped to manage and handle them. But at the same time, like you just don't know the kinds of challenges that you're facing when you get to that new level of success. But having people that you can, you know, tap and chat with, I think is really important. And, you know, that's a great, I just love hearing that from John.

51:37That's given me an idea of like, even proactively being able to reach out to other people just to let them know that you're there. I think it's really powerful.

51:56Well, Stu, we could just talk, you know, all day to you because I think there's so much wisdom that you have and you've learned so many lessons. And we just have so much history together. Yeah, we just have so much history together. And I just love this conversation. But we are running out of time and I can't let you go without asking our three questions that we ask all of our guests at the end. So are you ready for this? Okay, let's go for it. It's like kind of a lightning round, but like it's a lightning round with deep questions. So prepare your heart on that. Okay. So the first one is what is your biggest obstacle in getting the double win right now?

52:34My desire for achievement. You know, like, um, as I said, we're really ramping up as a company and I'm just so stinking excited about what we're doing. So it's like this balance of like excitement for work. Like I generally love what we're doing. I love the impact that we're having, the people we get to serve. But also balancing, I'm also loving this season as a father. You know, my son, Sam, he competes at a really high level in competitive skipping. He's a national champion. And he's now wanting to learn how to do like back handsprings and back flips. And I just cherish the time like night after night.

53:12I'm literally spotting him like with hundreds of back handsprings, you know, to help him get this. And I love that time. Or like the other night before Marla went away to camp, she and I had a night together. And I just love that, you know, she felt comfortable. We were sitting on and snuggling on the couch, watching a movie. And like, I just cherish that time. And so that to me is probably the biggest struggle is like both the excitement and desire to achieve. And I love what we're doing. And I could drop into that in a heartbeat in contrast with my passion and my love for my family and my kids and my amazing wife, Amy, and really wanting to balance that.

53:55So, yeah, that's probably the biggest challenge right now for sure. Makes a lot of sense. Okay, how do you know that you personally have the double win? You know, like today, like I got the double win today. Like how do you know that?

54:10Um, I think for me, it is about being present. And sometimes I don't know that I've wanted every day. Like I wish that there was a scoreboard because the achiever in me would always be wanting to win that, that game every day. And I don't know that, um, I have one every single day, but there are practices that I try to weave into the day every day. For me, exercise is, is one of them and I track it. So, and that tracking is public, you know, and that holds me accountable. And I have a goal of exercising on average an hour a day. Some days it's more, some days it's less, but the average across the year is 60 minutes of exercise.

54:53And so that I love, you know, that's, uh, I can measure that, um, sleep. Amy keeps me accountable on that. You know, she, uh, we go to bed at the same time and, uh, I get a good night's sleep when we do that. When I'm by myself, that's where I need help. Um, but Joel is the same. Joel stays up all night. I'm like, what's happening here when I go down? I know legit. I, okay. Self-confession. The other night I was up till three in the morning. I'm like, it came like three. I'm like three in the morning, Stu. I'm like, Michael's, Michael's getting up in an hour. Get to bed. You know, like I didn't know there were two, three o 'clock.

55:29Oh my gosh. But I think, yeah, like I think measuring it, public accountability for me has been helpful on the exercise side of things. And then and then, yeah, just accountability at home. But I would say the biggest way that I know that I'm winning was that conversation with our kids. You know, like when we asked them and they were the ones that said that they loved because we're always home and present like that, that tells me right there that we're doing something right. That's I love that story. OK, last question. What is one ritual or routine that you rely on to do what you do successfully?

56:05Beyond what you just gave. Yeah, beyond what you just gave. Yeah. Okay. One that we've gotten into now is I always had really good intentions of creating a whole lot of content to drive our business. Really good intentions. Intentions don't mean squat. You have to actually do the stuff. You can intend to do it all you want, but if you don't actually do it, it doesn't count. So I had really good intentions, but nothing was getting done. And so what has helped me fix that is we just have regular rhythms now where my team just shows up at my house. Now, when they show up at my house, like, you know, I have Kyle over here who is our video producer.

56:49When he just knocks on the door, I know that we're going to be recording content. Now, I might not be ready when he walks in, which is often the case. And then I got to go shower and come out. But by that time, I know that we are recording content. So one of the things that has really helped me is involving other people. So that no matter what, the activity will get done because somebody else is showing up. And it's the same principle if you think about why so many people hire a personal trainer versus just going to the gym themselves. It's not that they don't know how to do the exercises or don't know what to do.

57:20It's that there's a baked-in level of accountability. And so I think the more you can bake that into, you know, your everyday activities, then the more habits you can begin to form that are those positive habits that are going to continue to move you forward. So true. It's basically like anywhere you don't have to use your willpower, the better. You can save it for the things you've really got to have it for. Yeah. And like, you know, Michael, you were just talking about like moving the computer away from, you know, the home. It's about setting up your environment. right? Like this is a perfect example of it.

57:55And, and I can, you know, uh, say the same. It's about like deleting the apps that, you know, are distractions on your phone or, you know, blocking the websites that, you know, you end up going down a rabbit hole as you begin to read different articles, like blocking them and deleting them. It creates an environment that helps you avoid the things that are the biggest distractions for you. So yeah, I love it. Right. Stu, as Megan said, we could talk all day, but thank you so much for joining us for this conversation. I just, it delights my heart to see you and Amy and the kids prospering, getting so much time together.

58:33I mean, the way that you're shaping them, they're going to do even bigger and more important things than you've done. And you've done a tremendous amount. So it's going to be fun to watch their journey and the ripple effect of this through eternity. So thanks for dropping by. Well, thank you both so much. I have so much, admiration and respect for you both. And like I said, I just love that you're bringing this conversation to the forefront. And the more that we can tap into the double win, the more everybody wins. So thank you so much, guys. I appreciate you. Thank you.

59:06So like I fully expected, that was a great conversation. So fun. I mean, we were like forcing ourselves to stop talking because we really could have done like a day long episode. Yeah. And unless you're watching the video, what you probably couldn't see was Stu choked up. Yeah. And I almost always, when I have an extended period of time with him, he chokes up. Yeah. Because he's a guy with a giant heart. Yeah. He's just so tender. And I think that he cares so deeply. I think he's such a great example. And you heard this in the conversation of somebody who isn't just about making money. That wouldn't be satisfying to him.

59:46He's really into serving and he's serving the people that are there in his community, you know, in terms of the membership community that he has. But he's also using that as a leverage point to serve so many other people with the schools that he and his wife, Amy, are building in developing countries, specifically in Kenya. And, you know, he just lives it like that. That is his why. And I think what a powerful example of he is he is accomplishing his why and his purpose by helping other people accomplish theirs. And I think that's inspiring. I do too. We didn't really get into the details of this, but Amy's organization is called Village Impact.

1:00:23And Stu is the one that raises the money for that. But we've helped him raise money and a lot of other entrepreneurs have too. We've built ourselves two schools in partnership with Village Impact. And I don't know, they've built dozens of these schools by now. And they're transforming in Kenya through education. And it's just so awesome to see. What I love about the way they've done that, by the way, is they really partner with the local community. They don't just come in like with big hero capes and drop their school in the middle of some community and leave. It's really honoring to the community that they're serving and it's really empowering and that's their vision.

1:01:00And I love that. It's huge. You know, another takeaway for me was just how intentional he is with his kids. Yeah. And he is. Oh, it's super intentional. And you should follow him on Instagram for sure, Facebook, because you'll see this, how he takes his kids with him and lets them experience all this stuff. And I know that there are going to be a powerful force as they get older because they've been seeing this from the inside out. They don't know anything else. Yeah. Well, we need examples of people who are doing business and doing good. And those are, in his case, exactly the same thing, and also live in the double win.

1:01:38And I think he is a powerful 3D picture of what this can look like. I will always leave inspired when I talk to him. Me too. Well, guys, we hope you enjoyed this episode. Do us a favor, go out and rate it. Give us a five-star rating if you possibly can. Give us a review. That'll help us get the word out. And we'll see you next week for another episode.

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