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27:01You know, we've got fuel costs. Every single time now I stick, you know, diesel in the lorry, it's just going up. everything's just more and more expensive. So with all of these, with all of these things taken into consideration, that pain parent is feeling that pressure and they're actually thinking, why me? And how do I actually get out of this? And they've actually got no way out. And it's that part where they feel that they've got no way out of this whatsoever. The only alternative is, is then to take their own life because that is the only viable option that they see that they have right there and then they're like i can't afford this i don't know where these figures have come from and i can't challenge these figures and and they keep sending letters after letters after letters they do it every single weekend as well so you know that they so they know that they're going to destroy your weekend you get continuous text messages emails and it's the brown envelopes that keep coming through the door an all-new season of the hulu original series the The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+.

28:11Four years ago, we were just making TikToks. But it feels like there are no friendships left in mom talk. You act like you're better than everyone. You're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. For bundle subscribers, terms apply. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects.

28:46And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro Plans. And do you normally find that it's a scorned partner that pushes this towards the parent that should be paying maintenance? Because, I mean, we all can agree that people should be paying for their children. But even if you've got a couple, and let's just say it's the man that sees the kids at the weekend, and he's agreed to pay maintenance, I'm going to pay you money.

29:25I'm not shying away from it. Is there cases where that's not good enough for the partner that's receiving the maintenance and they use the system as a weapon against that person. Oh, 100%. You know, yeah, again, that is a common complaint, you know, that you'll hear of an awful lot. Surely there should be something in place that can spot that. If you can see that the part-time care... It's like a coercive control, isn't it? Yeah, if someone's willing to pay, then why do we need to go for the CMS? Yeah, well, exactly. So the CMS and the family courts is designed. to impact the family dynamic. Nothing in any of these institutions actually support the family dynamic because you know what?

30:10If you've got strong families, you've got a strong society, haven't you? Now, the majority of young men that are in prison in England and Wales, astonishingly, 76 % of them come from broken homes. So do you see what I mean? And it's, you know, there's so many different directions that you could go off here. And sort of just coming back to your question with what you said, why is 50-50 shared care, not the starting point? Why has it always got to be about money? Why can't it be about the emotional support? You know, and you made a very valid point just then. You just said, we agree that everybody's got to pay for their children.

30:52Yes, of course, you've got to pay for your children. but also equally you've got to provide for those children emotionally as well. Why is that never a consideration? It's always about the money, isn't it? So do you think the CMS, there's a more sinister backstory to it and a more sinister plan, which doesn't surprise me, you say about destroying the nuclear family. Do you think this was pre-planned in order for years down the line that eventually it will contribute towards destroying the nuclear family? Because I think that's what's wanted. I don't think people like families together no more because you're stronger together.

31:25Yeah. It's a conspiracy, but is it possible? I don't know if it's a conspiracy anymore when you actually look at the facts and you study the evidence. So you think it was put in place to destroy families? Yes, definitely. I think when it was introduced in the 90s, I genuinely think that it had the best intentions because the reason why it was set up, I think it was a condition of claiming child benefit that you had to give the name of whoever the paying parent was at that time. And then automatically then the CSA would go after that paying parent because what they didn't want was the state to be picking up the bill for all of these absent parents and supporting children that are just being born willy-nilly.

32:08So that was the reasoning behind it. But then as we've gone over into the 2012 scheme, I mean, it's almost unbelievable when you read the legislation on how it actually financially benefits the other paying parents actually withhold contact. Because if the other paying parent was having equal contact, they wouldn't be getting the financial support you see from the child maintenance service. So if you had 50-50 shared care of that child, and that was encouraged through the system, because don't forget, you see the child maintenance service is putting 20%, 24 % on top of their markup. It's called collect and pay.

32:53So on top of everything else that you've got to pay, they're putting a markup on it as well. So it's 20%. So it's called collect and pay. So they charge 20 % on top of whatever it is that you're paying. and then they deduct 4 % from the receiving parent. Then if you look at the charity Gingerbread, they keep saying we're lifting children out of poverty. How are you lifting children out of poverty if the money that's being sent over, the 4 % is being deducted, which is then going to the Child Maintenance Service? Now, if we really want to look at this, we look at who's had the enforcement contracts for this.

33:30Guess who? Serco. I mean, this is absurd to think that the Child Maintenance Service is a money-making scheme that is set out to destroy families rather than protect them. Well, exactly. That's basically what you're saying. And I'd imagine the only people that would push back against that are the people that are benefiting, the parents that are benefiting. What would their argument be to say, no, this is a load of old bollocks, this is a good system because of... What would their reasoning be that this is good? Well, they would never know because it's in the Child Maintenance Service's interests to actually cause that conflict amongst paying parents.

34:03So the receiving parent will never know what's going on with the paying parent. They very seldom would even know how much money that paying parent, they only go on what they're told by the child maintenance service. So you see, I can bring this story back to a recent case that broke in the BBC. The BBC actually broke this story regarding John Hammond. And John Hammond is a maths teacher. and his case closed. And 10 years later, the Child Maintenance Service came in and took£20 ,000 out of his bank account. The ex-wife knew nothing about it. And they scooped all of that? Yes. They went into his bank account and they took£20 ,000 from his bank account.

34:49And that was their interest? No, that wasn't their interest. They just came in and took£20 ,000. But the real astonishing thing about John's case is that he spoke to the ex-wife. You know, they don't get on for one reason or another, but he actually spoke to the ex-wife and said, did you know anything about this? And she said, no. Did she see a penny of that 20 grand? Not a penny. So how did they justify doing that? What was their reasoning behind it? They kept saying that it was arrears that were owed. And surely if they're in arrears, that means that the receiving parent is also in arrears. Exactly.

35:20And she didn't receive a penny. And this is in the... And didn't even know. She didn't even know. And this is in the public domain. This is in the public domain. I mean, the BBC actually ran that. We're even talking. That's outrageous. The BBC. Yes, they came in and they took£20 ,000 out of his bank account and it took him over two years to get that money back. What's the worst case that you can remember? There's two. Go on. So one case is of Gavin Briggs, who was a train mechanic. He was earning£40 ,000 a year. and the child maintenance service, they inflated his income to£76 ,000 and they gave him£16 ,900 of arrears.

36:10Do you know how much he was left to live on a month? £150 a month to live on. So what did he do? He took himself off into a field. He bought a disposable barbecue. he lit it in his car and he poisoned himself to death what must you what must be going through your mind liam to actually do that and at no point i think when when i read the testimony of the father ian who's never recovered from this ian briggs at any time he could have got out of that car he could have opened the car door and got out he went all the way he went all the way with the firm intention that he wasn't going to come back from that.

36:56Then another very, very tragic case, and I talked to the sister quite frequently, Joanne, her brother, Johnny O 'Neill, he took his life. And I read the subject access request, and it categorically states in there, a caseworker said, we are taking more than 40 % of his income. 40%. That's unlawful. That is completely unlawful. and he hung himself. I mean, these are tragic, tragic cases, and these are tragic stories. Well, men don't like to speak out, do they? And they also don't like to admit defeat or show signs of weakness, so then you're going to get shame that's involved, or I can't afford to pay for my kids, or you don't want to lean to anybody to tell them that you're suffering in silence.

37:42I mean, we're all great pretenders, aren't we? We all pretend everything's fine until it's not. Is there somewhere where fathers that are suffering in a similar situation can reach out to and get some support and advice? There's not. I mean, I have a lot of people that contact me because obviously I'm speaking out on this issue, on this topic, because it's so important. I have a lot of people that reach out to me. And the thing is, my expertise more sort of lies with the National Audit Office and what's sort of been going on politically, you know, and that's where Anna and myself were working together.

38:16We were hitting it on the head right on those points. You don't think that the murder of Anne Whittacombe would be linked to the CMS scandal at all, dear? I would like to say no. I would like to, but I have no idea. Because like you say, unfortunately, it's a very, very sad state of affairs, Liam, that we are living in a society where we believe nothing. Because nothing would surprise me now. No. But without veering off, have we covered all of the stats and data? Or is there any more information that we need to know? In terms of the actual specific data, in terms of the actual mortality rate, we've covered that.

38:56But I think it's very, very important, and people can read them themselves, is the sound bites that are being pumped out by the state. In terms of we're going after feckless fathers, we're going after deadbeat dads, delinquent dads. Yeah, they're very good at sound bites. If you look at even you, Les, the clean air, all of these sound bites that are pumped out so that people buy into their narrative. Yeah. So guess what? We're going to set up a very, very nasty organization that hunts these men down who don't want to pay for their children. Yeah. And when you actually read the National Audit Office reports and God knows how I'm able to understand these reports.

39:43in there millions is collected but never passed on to the receiving parent and I'm going to come to a very very important point here so in one of those national audit office reports I found a receipt of where money was collected but was not passed on to the paying parent so it was a receipt so there was a transaction and the national audit office couldn't find where that money had actually gone. So the NAO in that report stated that they reported this to the DWP. What's the NAO? National Audit Office. Okay. Yeah. And the national, so they're the internal regulators. So they basically audit all our institutions, government departments.

40:25And the National Audit Office in that report had written that they had approached the DWP with this and there was other instances of where this happened. So I worked with another guy who is a forensic accountant, and we got a very, very clever freedom of information request together. How many other instances do you think where money was collected, but not passed on to the receiving parent? 24 ,500 cases in that year where money had been collected and not passed on to the amount of 4.2 million pounds. This is just UK based. UK based. In 365 days. In 365 days. Fucking hell. 24 and a half thousand cases is where this has happened, but we'll get to the one.

41:14Yeah. About 12 and a half thousand of those cases were where the cases were closed. The other one was where you got direct pay and collect pay and direct pay is where you're paying directly to the other paying parent. So when those cases were closed, once they were closed down, they came in and took more money. It's like a crime syndicate. And this is what I keep saying. You have no access to justice. Even if you've got all of the evidence, and I know plenty of paying parents that have rocked up at courts and said, I do not owe this money and this is the evidence. And the judge will say, I can't look at your evidence.

41:53What do you mean you can't? So is that biased? Yeah, I can't look at your evidence. Why? because of that act of law. Section 33, subsection 4 of the Child Support Act precludes the justices from checking the calculations of the Child Maintenance Service. And that law was put in place 2012? That was put in in the 90s. And who put that law in place? And why do you think they've done that? Well, that was under Margaret Thatcher's government. Now, the only reason why I can think of was the reason why it was put in place was to make sure that that process happened quickly. But there was the... So in this process, you have statutory safeguards, but none of those safeguards are actually being met.

42:33So I can only think with the best intentions, because they wanted that money to get to the receiving parent very, very quickly. So I'm assuming that they did it with those best intentions. And as usual, everything since then has been abused. I mean, that is putting a hell of a lot of trust into people when we do live in high trust society. but you can't trust people. You can't give them that much power. They'll exploit it and take the piss. And you should never give somebody power that craves it. Look, you've got Serco who've got the enforcement contracts for this or have had the enforcement contract.

43:08They haven't anymore. That is a, you know, we all know who Serco is and what they do. We all, everybody knows about Serco. They're only in it for one reason and one reason only, and that's to make money. Do you think they care? about a child's welfare or lifting children out of poverty? Do you think they care? Not at all. It makes the whole thing even worse, then, to think that it's been covered up and hidden. That's the word to use. The truth's been hidden for three decades. Three decades this has gone on for. And it's only just now that the press have seen the extent of the damage and destruction that this system is causing.

43:54and they are there now. They're there now, the press. And there's an awful lot that's actually going to come out. And I'm sure that there's going to be a lot more horrific stories that come out of paying parents, of people that have lost loved ones, where people have taken their own lives. And that is the harsh reality of where we are. This is bordering on psychological torture. An all-new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Four years ago, we were just making TikToks. But it feels like there are no friendships left in MomTalk.

44:29You act like you're better than everyone. You're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. For bundle subscribers, terms apply. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports.

45:10Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. Is it a bureaucratic failure or is it something more systemic, do you think? The thing is, I think we like to look at our institutions across the board, and I think we like to use this word incompetence. How can you be incompetent at something if you keep doing the same thing over and over and over again? Yeah, 30 years of abuse isn't incompetence. That's fucking purposeful, if you ask me. Yeah. And I mean, you know, even the post office scandal, what was that blamed on computer systems? That's what I mean when I said earlier, who's going to get the blame for this?

45:45Because someone's going to get the blame. No one's going to be accountable for the deaths of so many people. Well, the post office scandal was all to do with computer systems. The computer systems were blamed. But my understanding is, and I'll tell you, and I'll be completely honest with you, when it comes to technology, you know, I am a velociraptor. I am literally a dinosaur. But a computer can only act on the information that's put into it. It can't create or fabricate arrears. A computer's not going to wake up in the morning and say, do you know what? I'm going to charge this paying parent more money than somebody else.

46:19and I'm going to make this up. It has to be that somebody is putting this level of data into those systems. And apart from the data that you've got, what's the other strongest bit of evidence that you've seen that utterly convinces you this is one of the biggest scandals you've seen in your lifetime? I think John Hammond's, I knew things were really, really bad. But when I looked at John Hammond's case and the subject access requests, and he is adamant and he showed me that the DWP, he sold his property and they were looking at his bank accounts for four months. And as soon as that money went into his bank accounts, they came in and they took that money.

46:59If you were sat opposite the chief of the child maintenance service, what questions would you want to ask him? Or what would you say to him? Are you comfortable knowing the amount of people that are taking their lives as a result of your processes and your systems and your policies? I think that would be the first question that I would have to ask him. What needs to happen to these people? Because I know what I think should happen to them. Well, firstly, which is what we're calling for at Reform, is that there needs to be some sort of statutory investigation. It doesn't necessarily have to be statutory, but there needs to be a commission where paying parents who have had draconian enforcement taken against them can actually come forwards with evidence, not because they didn't like the calculation, but where they can come forwards with evidence and say, I didn't owe this money.

47:46And then I think we really need to take it from there. And these people, if there has been criminality, because there's an awful lot of money that has been collected and not passed on to the receiving parents. And all you keep hearing from the receiving parents, I'm not getting any money. I'm not getting any money, but guess what? The money is being collected. And if you're asking me, if there has been any criminality, then these people need to go to prison for a very, very long time. See, all I'm thinking in my head is people have got to go to jail for this. This cannot be a slap on the wrist or, okay, we'll reform the politics.

48:19No, no, people have to go to jail for this. This is murder. I mean, it's certainly not a million miles off manslaughter. I mean, if you're in a coercive and controlling narcissistic relationship and the abuser pushes and pushes and pushes you to the brink of actually suicide and then you take your life and that's their purposeful plan, well, that's manslaughter. And if this has been going on for 30 years and you've got all the stats and data that proves that there's a disproportionate amount of deaths off the back of it, I mean, someone's got to pay the price. I completely agree with you. But when was the last time that anybody was sent to prison?

48:55When was anybody sent to prison over the post office scandal? When was anybody sent to prison over the grooming gangs? We know that there were systemic cover-ups in this. When was the last time that anybody even went to prison for misconduct in the public office? the corruption across all of our institutions. And I think the real take out from this, do we actually want to be governed like this? God, no. Can we be governed like this? Not forever. People will take umbrage and they'll push back. And I'd imagine eventually it will become extremely violent. And I've feared this for a long time. Because if you add up all of the scandals, All of them combined.

49:39We are being treated like shit in our own country from our own leaders. They're supposed to be our leaders. We're supposed to feel safe in these son of a bitch's hands. And really, they treat us like we're scum. And I think a very, very important thing that we've all lost here, the actual power dynamic lies with us, the people. Yeah, well, that's how it's supposed to be. But it does. And the thing is, I think we're all to blame for where we are now. You know, and I'm not pointing the finger at anybody, but I think we're all to blame because I used to vote Conservative. That's who I used to vote for.

50:13Oh, I see, because of the way we vote. Because of the way that we've been voting. We've continuously been voting for Labour and Conservatives and look at where we are now as a country. And we keep buying into the pretense, you know, how many times did we hear from the Conservatives that, you know, they were going to curb immigration, they were going to bring it down to tens of thousands, you know, Keir Starmer, I'm going to smash the gangs, you know, all of these things that we're consistently being told that never happen. Great catchphrase. It is, yet again. But that's all it is. Soundbites. Buzzwords.

50:47It's soundbites. Tap into your subconscious, all of a sudden you start believing it. Exactly. So who's to blame for where we actually are now? It's us, because we've believed them and we kept voting for them. So two more things I want to ask you. how quickly will a father receive a letter from the cms and how quickly does it spiral to a point where he feels completely helpless and he wants to go and suck the fumes of a barbecue and kill himself how quick can that actually happen in real time within sort of about six weeks wow and isn't it unbelievable you know we've got potholes everywhere uh nothing works nothing works everywhere you go nothing works but when it comes to money god they're on it you know if you've got a park parking ticket, boom, they're on you.

51:32You've got bailiffs at the door. You know, the child maintenance service, boom, they're on you within six weeks. And this is why I'm saying I don't buy into this incompetence. We'd like to think that our civil servants and our public bodies have our best interests at heart. But unfortunately, the evidence and the data would suggest otherwise. So let's just say there's a parent, because I know you said it's an 85-15 % split. So a parent receives a letter from the child maintenance service and they look at it and their jaw drops and they hit immediate panic stations because they haven't got the money or the resources, what advice would you give them?

52:11Where do they go from that initial letter that's going to veer them away from self-harm? I would say to anybody who's having those thoughts, you know, that you would have to get in touch with the Samaritans, you know, the normal sort of charities that are out there to support people. What about help with the logistics of how they make it work? Who do they go to? Because surely you can go to somebody and say, it's not viable. If the money's not there, I can't pay it. If it's not there, it's not there. There is no one. There is nobody that they can go to. It's a bit like when you look at the criminal underworld and someone owes someone 200 grand and then they go and kill them.

52:55So you're never going to get your 200 grand back now. They're dead. How can you get money back from a dead man? So many paying parents have come to me and they've said to me that child maintenance service is mafia. That's what they've said to me. And my answer to that has been with the mafia, you can normally see what's coming. With child maintenance service, you can't. And before I ask you what the solution is, in fact, what is the solution? That's really the only question I need to ask. You know what? I don't have all of the answers. I really don't have all of the answers, but my best guess would be that the starting point has to be 50-50 shared care because we've actually got to support families.

53:34We've got to have our institutions that are working in the best interests of families, not destroying them. So I think the best solution would be 50-50 shared care where applicable. And when I say applicable, obviously there are different safeguarding concerns that there might be regarding children, whatever it might be. and then you might have to go to a contact centre. So if it's 50-50 shared care, parenting, then that should be across the board for absolutely everything. That should be the financial care of that child. That should be the welfare, the education, all the other things that go with actually bringing up a child.

54:11And is there anything else that I've not asked or I've not gone anywhere near that you feel needs to be heard? If there's one message that I could get out to everybody who's watching this, who's going through this, try and work with your partner in the best interests of that child. No matter how much you hate each other, whether he's cheated on you, whether she's cheated on you, you know, no matter what it is, you have to work in the best interests of that child. And that is the only advice that I can offer anybody. Yeah, and I totally agree. And then to round this interview off. Who do people need to get behind and why, political party-wise?

54:58Well, obviously, I'm very biased. So, obviously, it's got to be reform. It's reform to me because at the moment, I'm politically homeless. Right, okay. Just out of interest, why are you politically homeless? I don't trust any of them. I think they're all self-serving career politicians and I'm yet to see somebody that really – Because I've always seen a little thing that I don't like or I don't trust. And I think, well, if you can bullshit me there, you can bullshit me here. But I do know I've got to get behind somebody. And next general election, I will be voting. By hook or by crook, somebody will be getting my vote.

55:34So I want to speak to a load of different people and just give me a two-minute pitch on why I should vote for, on this occasion, reform. Well, firstly, I would say that reform have never been in power. So reform are not responsible for where the country has got to. I also think that reform is the only party out there that has actually got common sense policies. We are talking about things that other parties don't want to talk about. We're talking about immigration. We're talking about the boats that are coming across. And every time that we talk about that, it really does touch a nerve, doesn't it?

56:13Yeah, it does touch a nerve because the minute that we mention it, we get the same old rubbish that we hear all the time, that you're far right, that you're racist. Now, a lot of people are very mixed views on Nigel Farage. I've met Nigel a couple of times. He's a very, how can I say, well-grounded person. He's very easy to talk to. Yet again, he doesn't have that political snobbery. You know, I'm a working class lad. I own a scaffold company and he's very, very pro me standing for reform. And he wants people like me to represent the party. He did make a comment once that I objected to about people with tattoos.

56:50He was talking about Tommy Robinson's marches, which that's one of the reasons I think there's a bit of political snobbery there. You probably haven't seen it because you're probably not looking for it. But I think every political party needs a street savvy advisor because they're so disconnected. Westminster and working class, really, there's a massive, massive gap. And there's no one there that's boots on the deck, that's been to these skyscraping flats and these estates where the worst crimes are committed and the devastating levels of poverty. And I think that these political parties need someone that's got their ear to the ground and really know what that's like to live in real time.

57:30But anyway, enough of me talking about Farage. You carry on singing his praises. Well, I've got tattoos, Liam. If that's any consolation. Yeah, I mean, I've got tattoos. Not that I'm bashing Farage. And for the record, if there was a general election tomorrow, it would be reformed getting my vote. Well, do you know what? I'm really, really glad to hear that. But do you know what? We have one chance left. I believe we have one chance and one chance only. What about Rupert Lowe and Restore? Rupert is an outstanding MP, but that's what Rupert is. I can't believe, the way I watch Rupert Lowe operate and Ben Habib, I just think, I mean, you never know what's gone on behind closed doors, but when I think they were reform MPs, superb ones at that, and the strengths that they've both got, their independent strengths, I just think, wow, how did that happen?

58:23How on earth, A, did you let them go? Or maybe what actually really happened for them to leave? I think they were sort of edged out, weren't they? You may know more than me. I mean, I don't have any inside information at all. I think, you know, obviously Rupert's got his side of the story. Nigel's got his side of the story. And Ben's got his side of the story. But I think, look, this is all by and by. You know, people fall out on a daily basis. You know, we all disagree on things. It's got to be country first. This is the bottom line. We've got to... That's where I'm at. Do you know what? All these little bits and pieces that I don't like about certain politicians, it's like, A, no one's perfect.

59:01Everyone does something you're not going to like. But for me, I will be putting the X in the box of the political party that I really think is going to put the country first. And my personal opinion of them, which doesn't, no one gives a shit about my opinion, but I will put it aside and think, I believe they want the best for the country. And like I say, if there was a GE tomorrow, it would definitely be reformed because I think they're, well, Farage is established. I think he's a hell of a communicator and narrator. I mean, you don't get many better narrators in India. I mean, somebody, no, I mean, I've been to every single conference that we've had at Reform.

59:36And Nigel will stand up there for probably about half an hour with no script. He's not reading anything. And he will go up there and he will talk from the heart. And I think that that's what people need to actually look at. Nigel is talking from the actual heart itself. And people keep saying that Nigel's established. I can't understand how people say that Nigel's establishment. How is Nigel establishment when he spent his whole political career fighting the establishment? I think sometimes people think that he comes across like he'd like to be establishment. I think he's getting a little bit of a taste now of what it's like to go against the grain where he's being harassed by the media.

1:00:14But look at the sustained attacks that this man is... I mean, how can people not say that Nigel Farage is committed to his country with the sustained attacks, the abuse that Nigel Farage is going through. And he still remains professional. He's got a fair bit of stick over that£5 million donation, hasn't he? What are your thoughts on that? Does that bother you? Do you want to know where it comes from? Do you want to know the ins and outs of it? Or do you think, who gives a shit? I think, who gives a shit? Do you know that, Liam? I really do. Because, look, if it was for his security, and I've got no reason to doubt what Nigel Farage is saying, with what's happened to Anne Whittacombe, 100 % that 5 million pounds is going to be the best money that's ever been spent.

1:00:58That's what I would say. But then I would also flip it on its side. And if somebody offered me 5 million pounds, that was legitimate, i.e. it hadn't come from a drugs cartel, or you're trying to tell me that you wouldn't consider it. If someone gave you 5 million pounds, said, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to give you 5 million quid. I'm going to put this on the record now. Yeah. I'd take it with both hands. An all-new season of the Hulu Original Series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Four years ago, we were just making TikToks. But it feels like there are no friendships left in mom talk.

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1:02:17Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro Plans. So thank you. As long as it came from legitimate sources, yeah? I don't know. I'll be tempted to fucking take it from whatever source. Five M's. Well, obviously, I'm political. Somebody will clip that. Somebody will take it right out of context. Yeah, of course they will. Fuck them. Yeah. But from my perspective, as long as it's come from a legitimate source or legitimate means, who is not going to take£5 million? And I think if it was£5 million, whether it was£5 ,000, whether it was half a million, I think the press would still be saying the same thing over and over and over again.

1:03:00And also, like, your opponents, they're going to use that. It's the low-hanging fruit. I mean, every political party is funded and there's donations. I mean, that's kind of the nature of the beast, isn't it? Yeah, for me also, I don't care. I just want the country to be fixed and I want the right person to fix it. I want our children and women to be safe. Well, I've served my country, yeah. I've served in the Army Reserves and I have served on operations. And it's something that's very, very close to my heart, Liam. And if I didn't think that reform was the actual vehicle that can get us to where we need to be, I would not be part of reform.

1:03:34I would not be wasting my time. We do not have time to waste. So I wouldn't be wasting my time doing everything that I possibly can to get reform elected as the next government because we only have one chance and one chance only. and if we don't take this chance, I just think with all the arguing and all the bickering that's going on amongst us on the right, whether you're on the centre-right or the hard right, whatever rights we have, in my view, there isn't all this far right and we're just right in what we're saying. I'd love the right to unite. I'd happily let bygones be bygones and just pull together because what we can't have is communism.

1:04:15Which is what we've got at the moment. That's the alternative. Yeah, which is what we have at the moment. And is it going to get any better under Andy Burnham? Absolutely not. I think it might progressively get worse. But the big difference with Andy Burnham in, he'll do it with a nice big smile on his face. Well, he's pulling a few strings. He's making out like he's a man of the people now and he's sort of reducing the tax for the pub landlords, saying he's scrapping digital ID. I believe that to be a very dishonest thing that he's doing and it's going to come in through another source. So I'll bookmark what I've just said there.

1:04:45And so, yeah, we'll see. But where can people find you? because I don't want to veer off from the child maintenance service scandal because that's the main thing that I wanted to discuss with you today to get that out there. And I know it was very important to you and Anne Widdecombe, so it couldn't have dropped at a better time. May she rest in peace. May the fucking animal that done that to her rot in pieces. Yeah. Where can people find you to follow more of your work? So I'm on your usual social. So if you put in Noel Wilcox Reform UK, you know, on X, Instagram. obviously a lot more on X that's where I'm posting an awful lot more but I've got to be honest with you since Anne was killed murdered, assassinated you know, whatever way that you want to pitch it I've been very quiet because I've collectively had to kind of go into myself and obviously when I came out on you could see the emotion that there was because, you know, I've had to suppress that emotion with the story breaking I kind of haven't had time to actually process what has happened to Anne and the fact that I'm never going to talk to her again.

1:05:48Yeah. I'm very sorry for you and all of her loved ones and for her. Absolutely shocking behaviour. So we will end with rest in peace and Willicom. Yeah, definitely. What an amazing woman. Yeah, totally agree. I'm going to put Noel's links in the description, as I always do, and encourage you to like and subscribe to the channel so I can keep bringing you guests like Noel because, I mean, from what you've heard, you know the mainstream or the establishment do not want you to hear this, which is why it's been suppressed for 30 years. Hopefully this changes things. And if anyone's watching this and you've got that CMS letter in front of you and you're thinking about doing something silly, please don't reach out.

1:06:26There's always an alternative and things are only temporary. So just speak to somebody. And I appreciate you coming on, bringing this awareness to my audience. And I hope that you continue with your crusade successfully, sir. Thank you very much, Slim. Cheers, brother. Thanks a lot.

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