Bikers Against PREDATORS | Chris Hargreaves Quizzed Over Shield

28:49I don't think any millionaire has a million pounds in the bank. I started with so I was at a very young age I started working with one of the members of the club who was fixed at a shop fixing lawnmowers and chainsaws then we got it this is when eBay started taking off and stuff like that and online and it was crazy how easy this was but if someone's chainsaw very chainsaws cost a lot of money someone's chainsaw the engine had gone is beyond repair get thrown at the back of the shop and ebay everything came out the parts so we started selling the parts because you couldn't buy but then you couldn't buy second and chainsaw parts or and also all these people had all these chainsaws lawnmowers generators so we just opened a little engineering shop selling all the second and parts of all the stuff we got for free and it went ballistic.

29:47I had a big, massive, three big warehouses, loads of staff. The warehouse was full of filing cabinets welded on top of each other, free high. And so the staff had to run around with ladders. eBay was mental. I had a big online business and it just went crazy. And that was just literally just before I then started going on that path. Yeah, so what made you, because you sold all your stock. Yeah, I just weighed it all in. for a fraction of the value. So who's Pachamama? So Pachamama, so I'll just tell you, so when I spoke before about Buddhism, I then started, one thing led to just like a spiral.

30:32Next minute I was working, next minute I was in the Amazon rainforest with Ayahuasca. And I've got a house out there, I spend a lot of time out there. Still? Yeah. and Pachamama's if you've ever done ayahuasca or anything like that everyone draws the same picture of her and everything it's the energy that comes through when you have ayahuasca so like Pachamama means Mother Nature Right so that's the one that comes and speaks to you when you're having ayahuasca in the rainforest And was it Mother Nature that spoke to you and said basically sell all your worldly belongings there's a deeper meaning I mean that's some spiritual awakening Yeah we've gone on for a few months It was Omin and Aaron, and it was down to trying to do my business and then working with medicine on weekends.

31:20And it wasn't happening. I was too tired. I just gave everything up. And what's it called? Ayahuasca. Ayahuasca. Ayahuasca. See, I used to do hallucinogenics when I was younger, and it mangled my mind. So I've seen that, and I'm very interested in everything about it, but I'm too scared to ever try that. Yeah. Yeah. If I'm being brutally honest, you've got to imagine. Who's scared? You or the part of you that you'd have to let go? Well, this is where we're getting into the whole... Because if you're scared, it's fear. Yeah, there's definitely fear in me of taking something that will take control of my mind and then I'll never get it back again.

31:55But your mind's on, that's controlling you. So if you don't get control of your mind, you're letting your mind control you through your life. Well, yeah, but it's very hard to control your mind, especially if you've got hallucinogenics in you. I could explain this scientifically if you wanted to, but... Go on, two minutes on it, because I'm interested. Yeah, so I work a lot with frequency. So even though I've studied shamanics, I then had to go and study the science behind it. So this is my understanding. So you've had the brainwaves. You know your brainwaves, and your brainwaves are very much the amount of neurons that are firing that send electronical signals.

32:26So you've got beta. When you wake up in the morning and your brain starts waking up, you're going to beta mode. That's where all your programming is, all your fears, your programming, you do the day-to-day things, always scared of the same things, keep yourself small, you don't know who you really are. that's beta when you're sat down reading a book or watching TV go into alpha see a bit more susceptible and then down is when you're sleeping feet or when you fall gone to leave your body this is the amount of neurons out firing um so ayahuasca just basically shuts that part down where all your fears are and shows at you and you can see it so it's not like LSD not like um other psychedelics it very much shows you what's in in that part of your brain your subconscious Is it a frightening experience?

33:09No, no. Not if you've done it with the right people and they've taught you beforehand and you're ready to do it because you've got to be willing to let go of everything you think you are. You're not even giving your own name. Everything has all been programmed in by other people. You know, you've learned everything off other people, your opinions, you've learned off other people, everything. So who are you really behind that? Because you've wrote books on this, haven't you? Yeah, yes. I've worked with celebrities, I've worked with royalty. It's important to mention that you are an actual author as well.

33:35Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. got a couple of books out the best ones are on the way the best is yet to come yeah the best is yet to come but yeah that's what basically it does people think that they are the thoughts and this is why kind of what led into the shield actually but I've been running so many teaching men this running empowerment retreats for men showing them that the thoughts are fake and teaching them how even without plant medicines through meditation but very simply shutting your eyes and focusing on your breath and then when your thoughts I was telling you to stop it and all this. You go, tell me what's so important.

34:09You all shut up. And then your mind goes blank because your thoughts are fake. Because you studied psychology as well, didn't you? Yeah, and neurology, yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. Well, I needed to know. You know, it's great having a psychedelic experience, but I was like, how's this work? You know, a lot of people will get stuck in the spiritual world or they'll get stuck in healing, the healing world. But I was like, what's this doing? Why is this showing me this? And how can I put it, implement it into the real world? Because there's no point in learning all this stuff. if tomorrow I wake up and everything's the same.

34:38And did going on that journey mend the broken parts of you? It's calming my anger down. It's funny, you always told me, I was like, will you not take my anger away? He's like, you'll need that later on. I was like, why? He's like, always, you'll need that later on. Yeah, it's a good tool. Which is funny enough. But yeah, it made me stop being a victim to what happened as a child, you know, stopped it, be my identity. to. So I wasn't this traumatised kid, I wasn't this angry kid, and I understand who I was, and what I've learned from it, what I've took for it, to bring it together, and the tools that I've learned, what I've picked up from it, to use going forward.

35:16That's interesting you say that. I'll tell you a little story about me, very briefly, then we'll move on to The Shield. But recently, I went on a friend of mine's podcast, and we touched base on a very traumatic story again from part of my life. I won't bore you with it now, but people watching that subscribe, they'll know my story. And I've done the interview. I'm brutally honest. I'm brutally open. I've got no problem talking about my vulnerabilities, strengths, weaknesses. I'll just own whatever needs to be owned. I'm accountable. When he put the thumbnail together to promote the interview, my facial expression looked like one of the victim and he titled it one of the victim.

35:57He wasn't doing it purposefully. and normally it's like it's your show, do what you like, you know, it's my pleasure passing that story on to your audience so it gives somebody some strength. But I couldn't sit comfortably with a title that perceived me as a victim. So I did say I'm not comfortable with that title because I'm not a victim. If anything, I'm the aggressor here. I fought back, I rose up, I passed a baton of strength to other people and that's my only bone of contention. Everything else, fine. Don't edit it. Put it out as it is. It's raw. But I am not a victim. No matter what I've been through, if I'm still standing, I'm not a victim.

36:36So what I said before, in beta mode, you pick up everything and that's how you behave, yeah? You understand that? So whoever did, I don't know your story, but whoever implemented that on you has picked it up from somewhere else. Because that's the only reason people behave a certain way they do is because they've learned that. And so they then pass it on. And so they pass it on. I want you to see that, you know what like with my stepdad like I said he was abused he would come from the army he was mentally wrong he was just doing all he'd ever been taught and I was just sat there like why he wanted to do it he wasn't going I'm going to do this to Chris today I was like oh I'm going to go you know he wasn't he wasn't coming after me he was just doing all he knew that all that was in that little head of his have you forgiven him I see the bigger picture so there's nothing to forgive you know it's just programming because I'm like my full time job my main job is coaching.

37:27So I'll coach people through this. That's what I do. And so one of the first things I do is, are you really the victim? Look, if your mother's done that, or your mother's taught you this, why is she picked up from? And once you see it's just programming, being passed down, then you can stop, okay, well, I'm just being programmed. Then you can separate from that and go, okay, well, that was that situation. I'm not that. That's the key. It's separating from the learnt behaviour because no matter what abuse I went through as a kid, like you get to a certain age, you know, left from right, you know right from wrong it's like well I'm not doing that I'm breaking the chain and the mould and I've done that without going to the jungle yeah and taking what's it called again ayahuasca ayahuasca so I'm an alpha male but when it comes to ayahuasca I'm beta male and I'll own that yeah that's not for me no it's not for everyone when people follow me but everyone I know that's been there they love it they try and sell it to me you've got to do it Liam I said no you don't But I haven't got the courage.

38:26Yeah, I would say if you had any thoughts, and you should not be forced into taking that because you're going to the wrong place, you have to be really ready. I do try and put people off. When people phone me, I'm going, I've come to Portugal, come here and do this with me. You sit with me while I do this, because I still get a load of phone calls to do it. Is it legal to hold those retreats in the UK? Not in the UK, no. I didn't think it was. I've got a place in Portugal that's due to open soon. And that's legal? Yeah, that's legal. But I would try and put, But if people follow me now, especially after understanding and everything I've studied since, I do try and put them off.

39:01If you're not willing to give up everything that's in your head, there's no point. Well, in a little while, I'm going to touch base on stoicism and sort of how men step into power, because I know that that's your field. But let me first drag and send you on the shield, because people are going to want to know, what is the shield? What's the mission statement? What are the technicalities? What are the practicalities? What are the legalities? So what is the shield? so the shield I like many other people I've always so you can kind of understand now from what I've gone through the background I've always had my eyes on it I've been obsessed with frequency trying to understand why are you doing this what's the energy behind it what programming you know so reading reading reading studying studying looking at other groups I've tried to go against it how have they been shut down like why are they getting shut down so early you know who is the actual enemy like any man I want to see my enemy I don't want to just sit there sprouting off at everything you know wasting my energy like the art I love reading the art of war you know know your enemy but the shield is a women and children protection service yeah so obviously so that's where it stemmed I've been always always watching so I've been building this for years in my head like but I needed to how am I going to do it how am I because if I'm going to take it on like everything else I'm going all the way I'm not messing about but like anything in my whole life I'm going in and it's going and I was up to one of my men's empowerment retreats a lot of men there and I just felt as I'm trying to heal so obviously I've been working as a shaman for many years now running one of the biggest retreats businesses healing people I've been through trauma healing the women that have gone through it healing 50 year old people men and women that went through it as 8 year old so they've carried it all alive yeah it's not just that incident that's bad enough but I've had to sit there for years sold out retreats everywhere working with these people so then I was doing my last empowerment retreat and I was just I'm like what am I speaking about you know I do men's rights at passage retreats and I'm like teaching these guys about who they really are and we do a three day retreat and they're like yes and they're all empowered or they're not victims anymore they're all right let's go I'm like what am I doing in women getting pulled off train stations women are getting their doors kicked in i'm reading because it was getting really bad i think it was the algorithm found me you know so and i was like whoa every time i picked my phone up i was seeing it i was like what's going on here outside i was a bit i think like everyone else i knew i didn't realize the scale of it and then then i realized what am i doing trying to teach men how to be men when i'm not even being one myself i'm not i'm not living up to what i know because i teach a lot about masculine energy protecting and providing, standing in your power, you'll feel like a man if you do your man's job.

41:51I'm like, I'm not doing anything about these kids. It's happening, and it's happening in my own community. So what's the mission statement? What's the plan? The plan? Women at home, women don't feel safe. That really affects my head, because women are scared. It's not even the ones that get attacked. So many women message them, they're scared in their own house, they're scared to go out on the street, scared to let the kids out. That should not be happening. The men should be there. As a community, we should be there. We're so divided. Why is it so easy to pick a woman up off Liverpool-Lyne Street stairs in broad daylight, the main train station, and drag her off down the road?

42:33That shouldn't be happening. There's no consequences for it. Nobody is watching. And when they do get caught, they're out on the streets that same day. I've got an incident in Stockport seven times, and this guy's pulled kids out at the end of school. He's pulled kids into bushes. The last time he actually pulled a mother in because she was so small, he thought he was one of the kids. That was within 10 days, seven times. He keeps getting let back out and he's attacking children. But basically, yeah, it's our women and children. I do these rites of passage. I do all the Viking retreats, men being men.

43:05But none of us are. While the women and children are not safe, we're not doing our job. And when it's happening just down the road from us and everyone presumes it's just the grooming gangs. Yes, grooming gangs are a massive part of it. But from my experience, so I went and started working in care homes and I had to go and understand it. I have to go and understand everything. I don't just take what I see on the news. Care homes are rife with people being groomed, but they're getting groomed by the other kids. It's the other kids that are normalising it and saying, oh, come here, come to meet my mates here, come to this hotel, Can we get in this taxi?

43:44To see. We all know what's going on with grooming gangs. It's quite obvious. It's all there. The ones that I've been coming across is not the grooming gangs. It's the hotels that are involved that have rooms. That have rooms specially for this. We have the taxi drivers that get, that these East European gangs are threatening their family if they don't, on set times, pick kids up for them and take them to these said hotels. I've seen it firsthand. I've gone and spoke to them. I've had it out with them. And this is where everything started clicking into place for me. It's like, right. I used to run something called the Gilda Brothers.

44:25I was trying to empower men. Come on, we've got to stand up now. Come on, we've got to do something. So what is it you're going to do? People are going to know that there's someone in the area all the time, 24-7. The app's been built so they can just press a button. Dead simple. If someone's registered on the app, they can just press a big red button and someone will be there for you. Um, but people have got to look at it. The government are doing nothing. The police are doing nothing. So the people have got to look. I can sit there and blame the government, but there's no point. I'll just get on with the job.

44:51And up there, you know, emergency responders, um, people that work from home that will come out. Um, people that are on patrol, um, if needed, women drivers, if, if, if a child ever needs taking home, which you shouldn't do. but it's being present it's not it cannot do we cannot go down the vigilante group or they get in the way of the police because we don't want to cause the police any more problems you know I want to get the job done my main responsibility is making sure women and children feel safe where they can go to the park if a woman goes to the park and there's men hanging around or something not right I can have someone there quick this episode is brought to you by PayPal you know how a mom's bag has everything sunscreen snacks a stapler the new PayPal app is like that but for your money shop, pay, manage your account and earn rewards all in one place and with purchase protection on eligible items biometric security and pass keys you're protected at every step download the new PayPal app to get started see paypal.com slash protection terms low energy, unfocused, foggy you might be dehydrated Gatorade Zero powders have been scientifically designed to help improve hydration balance in the body with a clinically proven electrolyte blend and no artificial colors or flavors.

46:12Great tasting hydration no matter where you're going. Shop now online or at retailers nationwide. Gatorade hydrates better than water. Is it in you? Symptoms noted are signs of mild to moderate dehydration. Consult a healthcare professional if symptoms persist. so are you talking about becoming a modern day team of bobbies on the beat no no we're not policing the streets we're literally for one reason only only there for the predators for that one reason that is the only reason I'm going to shut their supply chains down you know the taxi ranks and all that but for everyday person if this explains it it's like yeah explain it to me like I'm a five year old just so I get a real good idea so you remember the neighbourhood watch yes so something like that with loads of technology and some big gruely bikers behind it so the community is watching each other everyone's organised there's people, volunteers that I've trained up that I've done my courses as well I trained up so they'll be on call, shift patterns in every area so yes just press the button basically someone's going to be there for you if there's hotspots, so we have a lot of our work's intel we've got massive intel staff so where the public can phone in because no one knows who's on the streets but the public won't talk to the police either But where we've been publicly dead happy to tell us, they'll phone up my staff now and they'll tell them everything of what's in an area.

47:33So let's say, like I said about the problem before with the school, I'd have someone outside that school. There'd be people along that school on a hotspot. So are we saying that you're building an army of people that are going to be on call to respond? Yes, but a bit more than that as well. So let's say we know there's certain shops that have rooms in the back of the shops. That will not be going up. I will have people outside the shop. Hotels, the hotels are rife with letting this go in on. I will have people in that hotel until they stop. If they still don't stop, that's when the outlaw bikers will turn up and surround your hotel.

48:06We'll do it with presents. We've got to be legal because we can't go away anywhere. Is it a business or a charity? What is it? It's a CIC, so it's a community interest company. I don't know what a CIC is. So basically it's a non-for-profit. Everything has to go back into the community. Let's say a load of bikers do a fundraiser and you make some money, it's not for profit for me to go and spend on a boat. It's got to go back into the community. And so it's community for the community. How are you going to deal with that logistically, though? What's the process? What do you mean logistically? I'm building in every town.

48:38I've got area managers pretty much in every town now across the whole UK. Let's say I'm a woman and I'm under attack and I've got your app. Yeah. And I press the emergency button. It's like having a panic attack. So whoever's in that town will get to you. Because they'll have your location straight away. And have you got a response time that you commit to? Well, not at the moment because every time it's there. This is four weeks old. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's four weeks old. We've got a massive team. So it's still in the infancy stage? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's only four weeks old. I've been planning this for a long time, but to get people in action, get people trained.

49:10So what's your vision? Vision. As if you want me to invest in your business, give me the vision. The whole mission is stopping all this with women and children going on the streets and we're present and legal. Now we've got to do it legal. If we do vigilance until we get shut down, we've got to make sure this stays because if we get shut down because one idiot does something wrong and the whole business gets shut down, then we just let everyone else down. And is everybody a volunteer? Everyone's a volunteer, yeah. Okay, so I'm playing devil's advocate here because I run a security firm and I know that even when you're paying somebody, they're unreliable.

49:45So what happens if a volunteer just doesn't respond? We've got loads of volunteers. so I have loads of volunteers but hopefully you know call it a pipe dream but it's absolutely you know I was not expecting to go big so quick I thought maybe it would take me a few years these are questions everyone's going to want to know so it's building up quick in a lot of areas so I've got all members areas on the website so everyone's coming into the counties now and there's managers getting in place and they're all getting organised are you still kind of finding your feet as you go oh yeah it's never been done before I'm going off a bit of what the Guardian Angels did which wasn't my intention because I didn't realise they did that.

50:22What's that, New York Subways? Yeah, yeah. So I went off, you know, looking at that and then the legal teams, most of my work's been with legal teams and what we can do, what we can't do, how, looking at how other organisations that came together to get to protest or whatever, how they've been shut down. Everyone that outspoke, how they got shut down. So you're going to scale this nationally, I'm assuming? Yeah, there's absolutely a lot in Canada and America. So as a businessman that's run a security company for 16 years, I know how hard it is to scale a business up. So how are you going to scale it up?

50:54And how are you going to fund it? So at the moment, it's all volunteers. Funding, I'll find it. I'm not even thinking about that at the moment, but I know it'll come. But it's all volunteers, and I'm giving all my time anyway. I'm training all the county managers at the moment, and the Intel staff are being trained at the moment as well. And how would I join The Shield? You need to go on the website, wearetheshield.com, and click on Become a Member. And then you get all access to the members area, all the jobs. There's loads of jobs there, full descriptions of every job and the legalities of that job, what you can and can't do in that role.

51:27Because I'm assuming you haven't got recruitment agencies that are volunteers. There's got to be people that you're paying behind the scenes. No, no. So, I mean, at the moment, we're managing to do it for free, or very minimum. The biggest cost is the DBS checks, obviously, for people. that are going to work in certain roles. They need to be checked out. So who does that? You? Yeah, well, we've got a girl that's not doing that now, so she does DBS checks. You could save money if you make them get their acro instead. Yeah, we've got a few different things on the board at the moment. But yeah, so I've got...

52:03First job I did was get a teaming of experts. So that's where I started. So we've got a full committee of experts. Who are these experts? So we've got three legal advisors, one legal secretary, two legal advisors that really know the stuff. One barrister scale, one of the, let's say, anti-current law, you know, the common law down that route. So Intel staff, very military-grade Intel staff. What's that, ex-military, XMI5, that ilk? Yeah, yeah. and all these people are going to put their faces on the website to show who they are well maybe in the future we'll see because that's another thing I had to do because people want to know who they're speaking to I mean that's what I mean we are literally four weeks old four weeks it's been I know I'm giving you a grilling but I know people are going to want to know because that looks good I want people to know a lot of people are very excited because we all want the women and children to be safe and all of a sudden we've got this big handsome tattooed bearded geezer saying I've got I've got the plan so I just want to know I want to make sense of the plan myself, because if I believe in it and I buy into it, I'm going to promote it.

53:15Yeah. So I want to, I need to just get my head round. How is this logistic? Cause the idea of it and the concept is beautiful. And I know what's inspired you to do it. So everything is like, well, this ticks all the right boxes. It's just like logistically, how's that going to work? So we've got, so is it, cause it sounds, it sounds illegal. So we've got my committer. It sounds about illegal. It sounds illegal. It sounds like the police are just going to come down on you the first incident. or if you turn up to a scene and there's some fucking piece of shit doing wrong, you know what you and me would want to do to him, but you break his wrist putting him in a hold.

53:47Oh, no, so we're not going to engage. There's all rules around engagement and everything to keep us away from them scenarios. Just by, see, we've got the vigilantes, you've got the predancers and all that, and all do great work. Everyone's hitting it from their areas. This has got to work legally, and it will work. Train staff in every area that will turn up, but they're not going to engage. We're not there to hit the predator. We're not there to twat that as much as we all want to. We're there to get that kid home. And that's the difference. But what happens if you find yourself in an altercation?

54:16So he's saying if there's going to be a crime committed. Yeah. Then a crime, you know the rules. If a crime's committed, then you can respond. But will the police not just put a stop to it? No. Have you got a relationship with the police? Social services? I've got meetings. Schools? Councils? I've got meetings. I've got a lot of meetings. Okay. I mean, this is a very exciting prospect. Yeah, and I've also been very transparent as well. Everything, as I get to the hardships of going into the police, because obviously when I launch it, as I get into the hardships, I'm going to be so transparent online.

54:48This is what I'm up to. This is what I'm going on. Nowadays, if you're not, you get caught out. You've got to be. Yeah. You've got to be, which is very honourable why you've turned up and you're happy to answer questions because you always knew you was going to get questioned about the show because people are like, literally you're like their knight in shining armour old ladies are looking at you thinking shit my grandchildren are safe now well I need the public this is not about me it's not about the shield this is literally what other choice have we got as a people I'm going to the reason why I've got a committee is because I know I'll get things wrong I know I mess up I know things I'm going to miss things there's things and this is why I've got an advisory board how many volunteers do you think you're going to need to cover the whole So a statistics guy goes, well, the minimum, if you've got all these droll, all the admin, the women that take the calls and all that, have an average 17 ,500.

55:42That's what you'll need to cover the whole of the UK. Yeah. You will have to have a backup plan for when volunteers go sick because I'm telling you, they will. Well, there's a lot of businesses, especially the areas I've been spending a lot of time in.

55:58So instead of seeing patrols walking around, sat there policing the streets. It's not that. If you do see our lads on the streets, or women, it's going to be at a school or business. We're not walking up and down the streets. There's nothing to walk up and down the streets to look at. We're not trying to put a big show on here and say, we've got a lot of people asking about domestic violence and knife crime or can you stop these kids riding motorbikes? No. We're here for one reason. Is it a paid service or is it a free service? Free. It's going to be free to everyone, yeah. If you do see them on the street, it's going to be outside the school that's had problems.

56:31or if they've been called. So my mum's phoned them, there's people in the back again. There's some guys that's sketchy knocking on people's doors. We'll just come and watch, make sure they're not doing anything. If we engage for someone like that, then we're getting ourselves in trouble. But just the presence will put them off. And you're confident that the police are going to be okay with this and that you can work within the legal frame? The only issue was if you sit with fours, they might try and stop you that way. So if you're on the street and there's four of you, but break off into two when they can't and will they be in uniform?

57:01they'll have a fluorescent jacket on to be honest I didn't want a uniform I'd rather they didn't have anything but then the president's so they said you've got to do something with a shield on the back so if the police turn up to that where these two men stood over there and a man and woman stood over there just keeping on things I don't think they'd have to explain why they've got an issue with that to me why is that an issue? because not breaking in law what about the SIA? where do you think you're going to sit with the Security Industry Authority? There's no one actually doing security. No one's actually been in a paid role to do a job.

57:36So we have gone through so many bits of paperwork with the SIA. The barrister's not allowed, but they said, no, you're all right. You're all right. Obviously, there's so much going on. I can't remember everything. Be honest. Is this whole thing overwhelming at the moment? No, I love it. I love it. I love the chaos of it. But, I mean, the organisation, because... Yeah. Well, it all's been really good. and it would have overwhelmed me. Literally every time I need something, I open a message and there it is. Chris, I'm this. Chris, can I do your website? Just as my website went down because my first website got overrun with people that went on it.

58:13A local company, I360, they've built all the website fresh and put such, and they've hosted it for free and everything. They've virtually gone out of the way. The legal team, I've not had to phone one legal person. Do you know what? Here's a thought. Because you can get a rough idea of my background and the abuse that's gone on in my family. No one wants women and children protected more than me. And no one wants, like, I want men like you protecting women and children because I can tell that you're more than capable. So I want this to work. this is a suggestion because it's at the infancy stage and I can't quite work out how the logistics are going to work and how you're going to scale it up and how it's going to be funded because there's a lot going on but here's a suggestion you hold a shield seminar where you're on stage and you've got your board an audience with give them free access or two pound entry just something so you cover your time and just have a Q &A and just let everyone fire questions and that'll help build the community as well and that way it is full transparency and film it yeah we've got the one in planned i literally go yeah i'll go i go live about seven o 'clock every night on tiktok for that reason for everyone to come on and all my admin and there's admin and uh thing there i'm just sit there for an hour or two hours i sit there and answer all the questions because everything changes every day this is where we got up to now i got through that red tape um but yeah we're going to start with the YouTube because obviously I've literally over 10 ,000 messages every day.

59:46How are you sleeping at night at the moment? Oh, great. Great. Great. No, I do. Straight in and I get straight back up and straight on it all day. I love it. Because I know what you're doing is a mammoth task and I know it's overwhelming and I know that the more abuse and tragedy you see, it does start fucking with your mind. What I want to do is now move on from the shield. But before we do, because there's a lot of interesting stuff I want to ask you about that I've researched on you, which I find fascinating. I think I've asked enough questions on the Shield. I'm still not 100 % sure of how it's mechanics, but I'm sure I will.

1:00:18So I'll just cover that quickly. So as you join as a member on the website, you then have access to the forums. Then all the forums are divided up into counties. Every county's got their managers. They're out of the process now of the managers getting everyone in to their groups. Then I'm going to go around and train people. That's what we're up to. So you're going to have to hire out big halls because you have to train hundreds at once, won't you? Well, I'll be interested to watch the growth of this. And so where can people come to you to ask you direct questions where you can just ping them back either emails or words or whatever?

1:00:52So we've got contacts on the We Are The Shield website. At the moment, I don't think the SEO is done, so you have to put it in the address bar. It's a brand new website. And have you got, where you say full transparency, will you answer every question that's asked in writing? I think the public will want that. I want that as well. No, this operation is, it's not about me. I need people asking questions that I've not seen. And if we can work it out at the beginning, then it helps us to get the foundation straight going ahead. Because this can't go anywhere. It's got to stay. And, you know, I don't want to be doing this.

1:01:24I've said this, and this is why I make a big song and dance about me being an outlaw biker. I want the government to do the job. I'd rather quit and go back to my job. I don't want to be doing this. I would love more than anyone for this to be at. If it's a free service protecting women and children by big, grisly men like you, you've got my vote. What are the police doing wrong that's created a space for you to do this? The police officers I've spoke with, they're not allowed to do their job. It's always the same thing. You have to leave the children in places where they know they're going to be in danger or they get told, no, he's going to be let out in a minute.

1:01:57This is not what we're joined for. I know everyone's got a lot of hatred for the police and I know in my life they've fucked me over quite a few times. But I do believe, I can't let go of the facts, that I do believe that they joined for a reason and given the chance they would do the job. I do believe that they're being told to let these people go. Obviously, the CPS, they get told to let them out the cell. So you think the police have become too weak and that's created your own? Yes. Yeah, well, that's it. They can't do the job. I find it fascinating that police join, and I believe they join really.

1:02:45I would have got bullied a lot, but I do believe they join really because they want to make a difference. I'd like to think 75 % want to make a difference or do something for the community. Are you worried that you'll become a government target? What's the worst I can do? One big lesson, which was part of this journey, was when I was in prison. And I was sat there, and as you know, through my journey, I love meditating. I got to sit there, meditate all day, had my food brought to me, and live, no stress. So if that's the worst you can do to me, put me back in there. So you don't fear, John? I don't care.

1:03:23You know what I do fear? Sitting there thinking I'm a man, I've done nothing about it. Sitting there thinking, oh, I'm Billy Big Bollocks, that put everything else knowing that a woman down the road is getting abused or there's kids getting taken off the street knowing there's a shop down the road that's got all these 12 year olds in the back and giving them vapes and I've sat there and done nothing That's what I want to ask you about because you get intel you get people feeding you information that won't get published in the mainstream media what's going on out there that the general public just don't know about just how bad is it out there?

1:03:59So to have two 12-year-old girls that I was talking to that had just come back from doing what they do, and I had to step in and have a word with them. To tell them I was... I don't really want to use this language on it. I don't want to... Oh, you fill your boots. So to say, it's all right, Chris, we're only sucking the dick. We get a vape. It's normal. From two 12-year-old girls. That broke me. That breaks my fucking heart. That broke me. Yeah. That was the week I went, right, fuck it. I've had enough of this. I've had enough of doing homework. I've had enough of fucking intel. I've had enough of peace and all that.

1:04:36I've had enough of this. I cannot sit here. And I was already on a bull in a china shop anyway. I don't care what them... Government to me don't exist. They've never done anything to me. Everything I've got in my life, I've had to go and get myself. All they've done is take. I don't want to sit here and be anti-government, anti-system, but they just don't exist in my life. You're not going to let them deter you? No. What are they going to do? There's nothing they can do. lock me up for something I've not done because I'd have to do that because I've done it all legally. But I'd be so transparent with it as well.

1:05:05We touched base on stoicism with you because I know that you've looked right into that and philosophy. How does a man step into power? By finding himself first. Again, a bit on what I've said. A bit of meditation. Shut that part of your brain down and see who you really are. Read Marcus A Realist Meditations about a thousand times and you'll see who you really are. It's one of the best books ever written. and a great manual for men. Yeah, give me a few pointers. How does a man become a man again? Because I think men have been feminised. How does a man become masculine again? Because we used to be manly.

1:05:37One of the biggest things is get around other men. Men are designed to hunt together. The women stayed, and I'm not being any, you know, the women stayed. I go back to nature and everything. How was we designed? We weren't designed to how we live now. Women looked after the camp. this is how we naturally lived. The men went out hunting together. The men spoke to each other. The men had bonds with each other. Then men, you get sniffing the coke and drinking the beer and all that in thinking you're respected by having a fight in the pub. You think, yeah, I got my respect. There's a scientific study on that that showed men coming back to their women with food.

1:06:23That's where they get respect from. You've done your job as a man. You've done your job. You've hunted. You've hunted. Now, we don't really get that with Tesco's, two bags of Tesco's shopping and a paycheck. They've made hunting easier for us, didn't they? They've made hunting easier. I do some of my retreats where, yeah, what the men do in the axe throwing and stuff like that, they get paid in meat. So then the women are on the other side, so when I do my big retreats like that, it's fantastic. They smile on the men's face when they're taking, yeah, look at all the food I've got for you. Every man's different.

1:06:51There's no manual for a man. Every man's built differently. let everyone's programmed differently. First rule of stoicism, let go of the external. You can't control the external. What about the ego? We need a little bit of ego, don't we? What is ego? Ego is a programmed mind. That's what everyone said, if you didn't have a programmed mind, you didn't have an ego, you've not got a personality. So this, especially in the spiritual world, ego gets thrown around, oh, you're selling your ego. Of course you're fucking out. It's your personality. It's what you're programmed to do. So you need your ego.

1:07:18Yeah, I think we do need, it's good to put your ego aside sometimes, but also it's equally as important to keep hold of your ego. What's the biggest battles you've ever fought and some of the hardest obstacles you've had to overcome? I've touched on it before when I found out my sister was being abused when I thought I'd done my job as a man. Even though I was a young kid, I was devastated. That took a lot to come to terms with. I was like, wow, I did everything. So then bringing up my brothers and sisters, because obviously I went to jail. So I spent my younger years bringing up my brothers and sisters.

1:07:51because the biggest battles of life is life in itself. Getting up every day and not giving up. Going, you know what? I've had nothing in the bank. I've had loads of money in the bank. Ups and downs every day. It's staying grounded every day. Have you been approached by the mainstream media for the work that you're currently doing? No. I got a phone call of someone pretending to be a media, an in-betweener. An agent for the mainstream. Yeah. And yeah, that is not a show I'll be going on. Yeah, do you think, I mean, this is, I suppose, it's speculation, but do you think the mainstream media will be in favour of your mission or do you think they'll frown upon it or maybe even try and boycott it or belittle it and get you on and sort of take the piss?

1:08:40I think the mainstream media has got an opinion on what it does and does us do as it's all as normal. You would think the mainstream media would get wind of you and think, I've got to have a conversation with this man. That gives people hope though. That someone's doing something in the community. They'd rather drag me down so no one has hope. But you're optimistic. It's been a long time since I've seen any mainstream media print any good news or anything that gives anyone hope. It all seems to be doom and gloom, fear. Remember, there's two ways to program a person. Repeatedly telling them something or putting an emotion, especially fear behind it.

1:09:09What's media built on? Repeatedly telling you the same fears. Because your neurons remember it and that becomes your personality. And that's what you live off every day of them fears. That's how you program someone. That's the only rules of programming. repetitively tell it. That's how manipulative partners do it. Repetit, oh, you're a piece of shit, you're a piece of shit. Machine gunning. And then go, oh, I'll hit you in a minute, I'll hit you, I'll do this, I'll do this, I'll do it. And then you believe it. And then men and women coming out on the other side of toxic relationships are saying the same thing.

1:09:35I believe all this stuff. So that's exactly how the media do it as well. I've asked somebody else this, so I'm not just singling you out, and I've been asked it as well. Have you got any skeletons in your closet? I think I've to do this I've brought them all out I knew I had to I've thrown them all out there in fact I've made it a point of doing it you know there's nothing I can hide because I need to be you know what are you going to come at me for I've given job even for the Shield I give job roles out to everyone you know you think I'm doing it for that reason that's a guy that looks after that it's the CIC he's over there independent everyone's you know I've got to be transparent on everything and to be honest I thought it was quite fun.

1:10:18You know, everyone knows, when I was talking before about making money, I was doing a lot of hitman work, I was doing a lot of naughty, naughty stuff. But it felt right to bring it out on this, to go, this is who I am. And if I've got to do your job, then you're having someone like me that's gone through what I've done. So I kind of used it. I got to put my skeletons out, but also use it. I don't want to be doing this job. I don't want to be... I think women should already feel safe. Children shouldn't be getting taken off the streets. Women should not be, you know, getting taken off Lime Street train station.

1:10:53The woman who had her two kids and he locked her out of her car when she put her kids in. You know, these guys, oh, why is your kid not telling me? Do you love me? And all this. Why do you want to try to pull her pram? And they're trying to separate and she got kids in the car and he locked her out of the car because they've got these devices. So this is now your sole purpose. This is your job. So I know your driving force. I know your inspiration. I still got to try and work out the logistics, but I... Maybe you'll help me out, figure it out. Yeah. I mean, it's very, very exciting. And I think that we've covered, I think we've covered a lot of things that I think people will want to know because you've come out of nowhere on the scene and you've been very honest with your past, with your skeletons.

1:11:31So you can't get knocked for that. And I think people prefer a guy with a bad past that's honest than a guy that's got a moderate past, but they lie. I think, I think the UK are sick of being lied to. and sometimes your imperfections make you perfect and I think you've been very honest in telling me, you know, you told me about jail, the violence, the doors, the shifting bits and pieces, the earning 10 grand a day and then giving it all up because you wanted to go and find yourself. Very interesting. I just hope, and I'm going to ask you one more question in a second to wrap it up, but I really, really hope that logistically the shield works and people do get a free service to security and peace of mind.

1:12:12I think that's very honourable. You've said where people can find you. I've suggested do a seminar where it's a Q &A. I don't think we can cover much more than that. So my final question is, what would you say to the men watching and listening this podcast, to the men of Great Britain? What would your final message to them be? Start being who you're meant to be. Men are meant to be up, protect, like I said before about hunting. You're also meant to be protecting the women and children. if you've seen any of my posts where men have messaged you know what I've got a reason to go to the gym every day now since I joined the Shield I've got a reason to get myself fit I'm not sniffing anymore I'm not doing this I feel alive so many messages like that men are meant to be like me I was living the empowerment life I was teaching men how to be men and I still didn't have it because I wasn't looking after what's important we had it men are here for one reason only defend your family defend your community if you're not doing that you're not a man if you're not doing your bit in whichever way it is.

1:13:10You know what I mean? I feel like I've grilled you a bit, certainly more than I would normally, I guess. But I hope you understand why. Because when you see someone come out of nowhere that you've never met or seen before, and then all of a sudden they're promising to basically save the world, you know what I mean? I do need to know. And people that follow me and support my work, they need to know. But because I have gone in on you a little bit, is there anything you want to ask me? anything because I'm also open to scrutiny and questioning and stuff like that maybe in a few weeks have we got any security questions yeah well this is your opportunity to do it on camera anything you want to ask no to be honest I can't even think no my head's full of shield and logistics and everything else I've got going on I bet it is but just thanks for opening up your show yeah and thanks for coming on being so transparent and I sincerely hope it works and when you do put that seminar on you have my word I'm going to be there Good health, Chris.

1:14:09Thank you. Cheers, brother.

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