Britain Is Failing: Leo Kearse

30:04Every like, you know, every few years, there'd be like some new attack and, you know, the six day war. Some of these were, you know, if you looked on paper and if you saw it happening, you'd be like, man, Israel is going to lose this. This is a tiny country. They've got like Egypt, Jordan, all these like much bigger, stronger, militarily mightier countries. The Six Day War, Israel basically saved itself by its air force, got in the air and went and shot the Egyptian planes when they're still on the runway. So Israel's always fought, you know, smarter than the countries around it. Now, you know, now and especially now they've got the backing of America.

30:39And it's interesting that, you know, back in those days, the left loved Israel because, you know, number one, it had a lot of socialism there. I think because socialism can work more in a small country. You've got the kibbutzes, which are little sort of, you know, almost communist enterprises. So the left loved it and supported it against these, what it saw as bigger, bullying, aggressor countries like Egypt. Now that's flipped. You know, now Israel is seen as the bully, even though it's obviously a lot smaller and also a lot poorer than the countries around it, even though everybody thinks it's much richer.

31:10You know, Qatar spends way more on lobbying in America. And that's just like, that's just one country out of, you know, 50-odd Muslim countries. But yeah, and also Israel's learned to manage the external threat through force, you know, which doesn't win it the propaganda war, the PR war, but it's certainly won a military war against Hezbollah and Hamas and anybody else who tries to do anything to Iran as well. You know, they just they hit back hard and they spank their butts and, you know, absolutely, you know, dominate them. But it's also got, you know, 20 percent of its population is Arab Muslim.

31:45And they've had to they used to have, you know, a huge problem with suicide bombings on buses and stuff like that. And now they've they've they've managed to stop that really through sort of being more assertive instead of appeasing it, instead of, you know, brushing under the carpet, saying religion and peace like we do in Britain. they've just become more assertive and you know wherever the the bomber came from they go into the what was that guy saying in the way in the west bank we went in or judea and samara whatever they call it um he said like uh you know if people if kids come down throw stones at the car you know we go in and speak to the mayor and there's action taken against the community that they came from you know not not you know horrible punitive action but it's not ignored it's not ignored It's not appeased.

32:30It's not, you know, acquiesced in any way, which is, you know, what definitely what we do here. So I think just by being more assertive in their culture, even, you know, like publishing the fertility rate, because the problem we've got in the UK as well is our fertility rate is about 1.4, 1.5. Whereas in the Muslim population, it's much higher. It's about 2.5, 3, something like that, maybe even higher. So over generations, the Muslim population is growing much quicker while our population actually shrinks. And added to that, you've got mass immigration, which is bringing the population up as well.

33:09So in Israel, they publish the fertility rates of the native Israeli population and also the Arab Muslim population. And the Israelis are actually higher. Not Israelis, but, you know, Jewish Israelis, which would be, man, if that was published in the paper in Britain, that would be, oh, my God, this is so horrific. Oh, my God, this is so racist. But, you know, it's sort of they're just open and honest about it. Well, the Jews can't seem to do anything. Right. I mean, you and me spoke to enough Jewish people out there that lived in Britain. Yeah. And then they've left Britain to move to Israel in the middle of a war.

33:47And they feel safe in Israel than they do in North London. Yeah. That's nuts. and the Jewish conspiracy theory that the Jews own and run everything and they pull all the strings and the higher up the Jews you get, the more demonic it is and satanic rituals and they own. They want to take over the world, but by doing that, they're willing to sort of kill lots of themselves in the process. I still can't come to a rational conclusion as to where this Jew conspiracy has come from. I don't even really understand it still. Why the hatred for Jews? And why are people so hell-bent on thinking that Jews are to blame for everything?

34:25What was your conclusion to that? Well, yeah, I mean, I spoke to Israeli politicians about this because I think we met that politician who was like, oh, anti-Semitism is just an illogical, irrational hatred. And it's like, no, there is a logic to it on both sides. I see on the left, obviously everyone on the left is anti-Semitic now. They all chant from the river to the sea. they basically want Israel to be exterminated and eliminated. And that's because Israel is civilization. They hate civilization. Communists hate success. You know, there's that great quote about communism, which is just like, you know, it's basically ugly, deformed freaks who hate success.

35:04And so they just want to, you know, kill everybody who's successful. And, you know, all this sort of ideology is just window dressing around that. And there's, you know, I think that kind of rings true. So the left just hate Israel because it's successful. They hate Jews because they're a successful group of people. They've got a culture of success. On the right, I think it's more complex. You've got people on the right like me and you and Tommy who see Western civilization as, you know, we've got sort of alliance across Western civilizations, whether that's Poland, whether that's America, whether that's Israel.

35:39We want civilization to succeed. but there's some people on the right who who see who have a bitterness against Israel and against Jews I think it comes from a couple of things so you do have a lot of left wing politicians, Zach Polanski the Green Party, he's Jewish, you've got a lot of NGOs that are run by Jews you've got a lot of prominent left wing Jewish voices advocating in the west for mass immigration, you know defending multiculturalism and basically, you know, being like lefties, being like Owen Jones. And they see this. The thing is, there's a tendency to see Jews as like, you know, well, that's the Jews.

36:23No, that's just those Jews. You know what I mean? All the Jews I met in Israel were like super, even the left-wing Jews were like super based, would be considered, you know, far right here. It's like, it's mad. And they're all like, everyone I spoke to was like, what is Britain doing? Why do you have open borders? This is insane. Can you see the risk that Islam and Islamism is presenting to your country in a generation or two? And, you know, and they're right. And I agree with them. But you don't hear those voices in the West so much. So there's this perception that like Jews want Zionism for Israel, but they don't want Zionism for the West.

37:00Whereas everyone I spoke to wants Zionism for Israel and wants Zionism for the UK and wants Zionism for Europe as well. Yes. What do you mean by Zionism for Europe and Zionism for the UK? Essentially a sort of healthy nationalism, you know, having some pride in your own culture instead of being like, oh, there's no nationalism allowed, no pride in your flag allowed. Anybody can come and live here. It's just a borderless economic zone. Being British is just a bit of paper. So, you know, Zionism is basically believing in a homeland for your people. you know I think people have got the wrong idea about it it's often uh associated with some sort of ethno-nationalism uh or or apartheid or whatever man you go to you go to Israel it's like it's so multiracial there's like um there's as well as the you know the Arab Muslims there's also like lots of different colors of of Jews uh which you know sounds obvious to say it but you've kind of got to see it because the way people talk about Israel they're like oh it's an apartheid nation.

38:03It's just, it's an ethno state. It's like, no, there's, man, it's totally the opposite of that. We've met that Ethiopian Jew. It's so different to that. Well, when we was asking them, is there a genocide? They were looking at us like we were mad. That's what we're being told back home. That's what the BBC are telling us, which of, they're in hot water at the moment for their Hamas propaganda they've been pumping and their AI speeches of Donald Trump. Anyone that's been watching the BBC up until now must see this latest scandal and think, shit, I need to challenge my entire ideology. Because if you believe those little snippets that they've fed you, what other bullshit have you been fed?

38:42What other mindset have they moulded you to become? Yeah, yeah. Because when we asked about the genocide, you know, even Muslims when he was in Nazareth, is there a genocide here? Is there a genocide in Gaza? Yeah. No? Yeah, and they'll be like, oh, but thousands of people died. It's like, yeah, it's a war. What do you think happens in a war? Especially when you're fighting Hamas. It's like this asymmetric war where Hamas are trying to get as many Palestinians killed as possible so they can then parade the bodies and say, look at this horrible, you know, it's the only weapon they've got. They don't have anything that can, like, militarily defeat Israel.

39:15All they've got is the PR war. Israel has really been hamstrung by the fact that, you know, it's fighting this medieval, barbarous cult, Hamas. and Hezbollah and all the rest of it. But it's trying to fight as a Western country. It's always fought as a Western civilized country. Whereas, so after the Six Day War, for example, 1967, whatever, after one of its many wars, existential wars, any Arab country would have just eliminated the people it was fighting. It would have just genocided them, driven them out of the country, would have driven them into Egypt or whatever it would have done. And everybody would have said, oh, this is terrible genocide.

39:58But then they'd have forgotten about it by now. Two weeks later, they'd forgotten about it. And, you know, if Israel had done that in 1967, it wouldn't be facing the problems it's facing now. They're sort of being punished for trying to fight by civilized rules. You know, Hamas put the rockets and all the munitions and stuff under a hospital or under a school, trying to get as many of their own people killed as possible, because they know that, you know, that's what's going to swing public opinion. And, you know, this is what the existential threat to Israel is now, with Muslims now being elected to positions of power in Western countries, you know, purely on Muslim issues like Gaza.

40:35I can see in a generation or two, Britain's going to be arming Hamas and siding with Hamas because we're not going to be this, you know, this Christian nation anymore. We're going to be some sort of weird hybrid, balkanized nation with, you know, this is Islamic Britain and this is British Britain. I think we're going to become too petrified of them not to conform to whatever they tell us to do. Yeah, yeah. That's what I think we'll have because they're just savages, as we saw the body cam footage. Describe to me, before we move away from Israel because we're going to get accused of being Israeli shills, obviously, but just describe to people listening just how graphic and barbaric the body cam footage that we saw with our own eyes and ears from Hamas going into the kibbutz and the Nova Festival and just what they'd done, including the beheading of soldiers.

41:28Oh man, well, you know that beheading, you know the guy that was on the ground and they're beheading him with a garden hoe. They found this garden hoe and that wasn't even a soldier, that was a Thai gardener. It wasn't even an Israeli, it was an immigrant who'd gone there to work and make money to send back to his family and they behead him. And man, it took a long time to get that head off because they're doing it with a garden hoe, you know what I mean? And they're glorying in it. They're filming it all on GoPros. They're live streaming it on Facebook and they're being celebrated back in Gaza for doing it.

41:58And when they went to the music festival, so they flew in on paragliders into this Nova music festival. This is, man, this is one of the things that really, you know, stuck in my mind. When I see the pro-Palestinian protests in London, a lot of it is these young, you know, music festival type people. And they're all like, you know, from the river to the sea, which is essentially they're supporting Hamas, exterminating Israelis and driving them all out. And then, you know, the whole of Israel can be, you know, this cousin banging paradise. Like, when I see those people chanting and waving the flags, they're the same people that were getting slaughtered at that music festival.

42:38It's, you know, young girls with the you know the dreads in their hair dancing all peace and love and stuff and it's like man that's their Glastonbury there's people from all around Europe that went to that there's a bit a lot of the people at Glastonbury then went to you know went to Nova Music Festival and for some reason the Glastonbury people side with the people slaughtering the festival goers I just it just blows my mind like it's just insane to me the other thing that blew my mind about it was Remember when that guy, that Hamas terrorist Phones his mum And he's like mum I've killed 10 Jews or whatever And his mum's like oh that's so wonderful You know I'm going to get your dad on the phone Like if I phone my mum And we're all like oh you won't believe this mum I found a fiver in the street It's that kind of attitude Absolutely glorying in it And they're like oh son please kill some more Don't forget to slaughter the children His dad called him a martyr over the phone Yeah, yeah.

44:06Shooter in the head, the dog spitting on them. I just couldn't believe my eyes. So when you've got that Bob Dylan chanting death to the IDF, I mean, does he not realise that when you're 18 over there, you do national service? The young girls for two years and the young lads for three years. So all these innocent children, an 18-year-old in my eyes as a child, so innocent children that didn't ask to sign up to fight no war are there because they have to be and they're getting absolutely maimed and slaughtered. And that includes being shot directly in the face, having your hands chopped off, being decapitated, being spat on, all in the name of Allah.

44:46When they held them women up hostage in that room with their dead friend in front of them, they still found time to pray. Yeah, yeah. I mean, praying next to the bodies. I spoke to a guy out there. He's an influence. He's a Jewish guy. Because it was the part of the trip that I was dreading. I didn't want to watch 47 minutes of slaughter. I'm kind of glad I did. It's embedded in my brain and I know what to fear. And I know I've got every right to be fearful. And I know that when I say to people, you've got no idea what's coming, I can say it with conviction. But I said to this guy, I won't name him in case he doesn't want to be named, but I said, I'm going to watch that video today.

45:22He said, okay, just be mindful that it's very heavy. He said, I come away from it thinking I was unscathed. He said it crept in two or three days later and it took me a year to get over. It caused PTSD just by watching the footage Let alone being on the receiving end Or a family member It was the most heavy duty thing I've ever seen Yeah, yeah Fact Yeah Never seen anything like it It was the sort of callousness of like, you know Because I know people would say like Well, the Palestinians could show you, you know Horrific footage of atrocities and stuff And it's like, yeah, but That's a fair point Israel is generally, you know I know there's been some horrific incidents I know there was, you know there's a recent uh uncovering the the tape of you know uh torture and basically you know buttfucking of palestinian prisoners and stuff but like but generally israel is like is is trying to do the right thing and trying not to not to commit atrocities whereas hamas when they went into to israel they were trying to to they were glorying in it they were it was a wonderful thing to slaughter to slaughter, you know, women and children for them.

46:31And the way they were so cruel and callous when the kids were injured and, you know, one of them, his eyes, like, blown out and the guy's just, like, going through the fridge, the Hamas terrorist is going through the fridge being like, have you got any orange juice? As that young lad was there sort of trying to keep his eyeball in place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, you know, a little kid, like, what, seven years old or something? Right after his dad has died, basically, you know, protecting the two boys from jumping the grenade, man. It's important also, So when you mentioned about the footage or the evidence that's been revealed that some psychotic IDF soldiers have been raping Palestinians, it's very important that people understand that the likes of you and I that are more on the side of Israel than Palestine, we don't condone that either.

47:14But that's not acceptable. And you're going to get some psychopaths in every corporation, in every team, in every military base, in every army, because you get to a stage where you become a psychopath. And if you've seen your friends, your family killed by Hamas, you know, the amount of hatred it's going to engender. It's kind of ironic that so many of these lefties are like, you know, they celebrated the Hamas attacks. They're like, this is decolonization. It's like decolonization. It's like this one tiny, Israel's this one tiny sliver of sand. And it was, you know, Tel Aviv was swamp and, you know, worthless land before the Jews bought it and, you know, made it into a civilization.

47:50This tiny sliver isn't an Islamic state. And that angers the leftists. angers the Islamists. It's like they want the last sticker in the Panini album. You know what I mean? It's like they've got to get every single, every single bit. It's like that's the colonizing force. If you want to talk about colonization, if you want to use the words of the left, it's insane. And I think, you know, realistically, Israel is doing what Britain's going to have to do in a generation or two. You might think it's far enough away that you don't need to worry about it. Look how much Britain has changed just over the last like 20 years, just in my lifetime.

48:23It's insane. like how much I've seen Britain change. And now, you know, like Jews in Britain are leaving, you know, because Palestinians get to drive around North London, Jewish areas shouting, you know, we're going to rape your daughters. We're going to rape you. We're going to kill you. Nothing happens. You know, even though they're filmed, number plates are there, the police know who it is. Nothing happens because they don't inflame community tensions. You know, Muslims are allowed to commit horrific atrocities in the grooming gangs and nothing happens for decades because they don't inflame community tensions.

48:52So Jews are leaving The next people leaving Is going to be Brits It's going to be native Brits They're moving to I know people are moving to Dubai Because they're like I'm worried about Islamism And people will be like Well isn't that insane You're moving to the Middle East And you're worried about Islam No Middle Eastern countries A lot of them have a real tight grip on Islamism Because they've experienced it And they know what can happen If it gets out of hand If you do appease it Well that's another thing people like to do They like to conflate Islamist and Muslim Yeah They're not the same thing.

49:24We're not saying that every single Muslim is a problematic fucking warlord maniac. But what I would say is, you know, all right, yeah, there's moderate Muslims. Where are the moderate Muslims in Afghanistan? Where is their influence being felt? Do you know what? When I say that, I'm kind of talking about the lads that I went to school with that grew up and they didn't really read the Quran and they smoked and they drank and they had sex with Western women. And it's more your modern Muslim now is a big concern. And if you don't recognise that, then you could be on the season into some of their heavy duty ideas down the line.

49:55Yeah, yeah. But then my Muslim mates are like, you know, they're like, man, because they don't like mass immigration either. One of them is like, he's the son of an Egyptian. And he's like, he's still, he's not totally devout Muslim, but you know, he basically says you're allowed to pick a vice. So his is shagging. And I'm like, pretty sure you're not allowed to pick a vice. But anyway, it's his faith, whatever. Let's put Haram out the window. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he says, man, Muslims are here to take over. And, you know, you guys shouldn't let it happen. But he's like, it's here to take over.

50:30And that's coming from a Muslim guy. And, you know, I listen to him. He's got the experience of, you know, speaking to his parents and his grandparents. But, you know, every Israeli I spoke to, including the soldiers out there, this is without exception. Yeah. Because I asked on repeat, because I'm all for peace. What's the cure? What's the solution? How is this ever going to end? Every single person I spoke to, let's just say I asked 50 people that question. There's a lot of people to ask to get the same answer in return. After, you know, they added context and, you know, all the rest of it and previous experience and future and history and projection.

51:07And the end answer every time was the moderate Muslims have to speak against the radicals. It's down to them to save us. We can't. We get accused of being things that we're not. it's the moderate Muslims that need to speak out against their own radical community. Every one of them said that. Yeah, but like, man, how are they going to do it in Gaza? Like the biggest... They keep their head. Yeah, literally, the biggest victim. We've seen the executions in Gaza by Hamas or by the different factions now vying for power in the sort of vacuum that's been created by Hamas getting obliterated. Like the biggest victim of Muslim violence is Muslims.

51:46That's the same, you know, everywhere in the Muslim world. So, yeah, man, I don't know if it's possible for moderate Muslims to speak up. It's not like Britain where, you know, or Europe where Galileo, you know, Galileo is held up as an example of somebody who, you know, had more progressive, progressive in the good sense, not in the radical lefty sense. But, you know, science and reason based thought presented an idea that, you know, actually the earth orbited the sun rather than the sun orbited the earth, which went against, you know, the religious. teachings of the time went against the Catholic Church.

52:22And he's held up as an example of somebody who's cruelly punished, you know, he's shown the torture equipment and all the rest of it. But man, compared to like, you know, how people get treated by the Islamic clerics, if they speak out, you know, look what's going on in Iran, if you dare so much as, you know, not wear your hijab correctly. It's different. Like, you know, Islam hasn't had that sort of Reformation process And being sort of You know Broken apart And criticised And scrutinised And put back together So it's faith Is still very You know It's sort of Totalitarian It's very You know Raw ideology Completely dogmatic Yeah Well Tommy Tommy Robinson Has always said That he believes Muslims are victims Of Islam I don't think people Have got any idea How compassionate Towards Muslims Tommy is Which is completely ironic Yeah Tommy has always said I believe Muslims Are victims of Islam Yeah And that'd be interesting to ask you because you shifted from left to right.

53:22Yeah. Based on what you experienced. If you're presented with new evidence and you see new things, you can go back and change your mind. It's like, okay, well, I've got that wrong because I didn't know that. Yeah. I've got some money now. Yeah. I've got something to conserve. Yeah. Exactly. But what's your thoughts on the persecution of Tommy right the way around to the resurrection of him? Well, it's interesting because, you know, 10, maybe a bit more than that years ago, you know, Tommy Robinson was like this, this, this sort of just a byword for racism and bigotry. And, you know, and I believed it because everybody else believed it.

53:53So it was, it was just what it was. I didn't question it. I thought if everybody's saying this, how can it be wrong? You know, if everybody's saying that the sun orbits the earth, how can it be wrong? You know, like, and then like the, I remember the thing that really made me start questioning it because I was, I was following the grooming gang stuff, you know, in a limited capacity. But, like, the thing that really made me start questioning was when he was lambasted and, I think, prosecuted for standing on the pavement outside a grooming gang trial. And so he got done for contempt of court because that's, you know, he's reporting on a live case or whatever.

54:29But, you know, it was kind of after the live aspect of it. It was in the public domain already. It was in the public domain. And, you know, judges can always go, like, say to the jury, Even if it's still a live case They can turn it to the jury and be like disregard that It's not like it completely We can't convict these guys We're going to have to let them get away with raping kids Because Tommy's on the pavement Yeah yeah I saw how Tommy was being treated by the media And being treated by people And everybody's like this disgusting racist bigot He's talking about this case On the pavement I was like wait a minute how come all these people are so disgusted About Tommy talking about the case but they're not saying anything about the actual case itself they're not saying anything about these guys and other groups of guys doing similar crimes and they're not saying anything about the culture that you know enables and engenders those crimes because you know those those grooming gangs the way they operated like a guy would get a 12 year old girl drunk or on drugs or whatever and you know have her incapacitated and he'd like message his uncle his cousins his friends his colleagues and be like oh i've got a i've got a 12 year old girl girl here you know do you want to come and help me rape her and you know they'll be like oh yeah brilliant you know should i bring some doritos and it's like like you know we'd organize a game of fiveside it's you know i like to think that you know if somebody in my social group was organizing the gang rape of a 12 year old girl and sent a message being like you know do you want to come in like we'd be like no what the what the fuck we'd be phoning the police you know what i mean like you know even though i say you shouldn't appeal to authority i think there's instances where it's okay to appeal i think 100 12 year old girls getting raped is you know one of those instances either that or you take the into your own hands.

56:03Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you end up in jail and you know they would do that to you. Although the Sikh community did deal because Sikh girls were getting targeted, but the Sikh guys, you know, who are maybe, you know, less afraid of being called racist, just, you know, went down and flattened the Muslims and sorted it out. But yeah, man, like for that, when people talk about cultural differences, man, that's the cultural difference right there. You know, you've got a Biradari clan from, you know, the Mirpur Valley in Pakistan, this, you know, remote hill tribe that's been brought to a post-industrial northern town where all the social structures that would protect these girls have been removed.

56:36You know, all the community, the church, the patriarchy, for want of a better word, that would look out for these girls has been taken away. And we've got this hyper neoliberalism. So, you know, a lot of the smart and capable people move away and then, you know, you're left with an underclass that's vulnerable. You know, you've got these girls in care homes and stuff. Nobody looking out for them. The only thing that can protect them is the state, is the government. But then the government won't protect them because the government is getting votes from these men that it's imported. So it's a rape for votes scandal.

57:06I mean, this is, you know, the whole thing is so cynical and disgusting. God, you know what? That's chilling. Yeah. When you say that out loud and when you hear it as raw as that, it's a rape for vote scandal. Yeah. That's devastating. 85 % of British Muslims voted Labour under Jeremy Corbyn. You know, now it's less because they've got their own candidates because they're getting the votes. The Muslim vote pretty much replaced the sort of white working class vote in northern towns for Labour. And now that's dissipated to their own candidates. I know we've gone straight hammer and tongs into British politics, but you're a comedian.

57:51Yeah. Is it safe to... Yeah, you wouldn't think it in this podcast. Well, the thing is, and I get it because, like, what is there to joke about at the moment? Because we're in such a bad state of affairs. It's dangerous out there. I do jokes about grooming gangs and stuff. Is it safe to be a comedian now? I mean, when I say safe, do you get much work? Do you get much backlash? Yeah, I mean, like, there's some places that won't book me. Man, like, you know, as soon as you sort of come out as right wing, um you know you're a lot of places will just your persona non grata and it's funny because they all talk about you know oh we're inclusive and we're diverse it's like yeah there's still a lot of people you don't want included you know and they still have all these shows at the fringe being like oh this is such a powerful message for queer inclusivity it's like man nobody nobody in the arts is like discriminated against because they're like you know brown or queer or any other you know neurodivergent or whatever like man those aren't the people discriminated against where's where's the inclusivity panel making sure there's enough brexit voters represented you know on a bbc panel show you know that's the if you look at the bbc dominic frisbee did uh did a breakdown of um of where all the comedians sit on the on the sort of spectrum um of left to right and 98 percent of BBC comedians are left wing And 2 % are Jeff Norcott They have like one guy So they can say like we've got one The token right wing comedian Do you ever feel like you're the token right wing comedian?

59:23Nah because I don't get on the BBC I'm the one that's very definitely shut out You know But when you go to your Comedy shows Do you line up with other comedians? Or do you do just yours on your own? Yeah, no, I still do some club gigs. Like now I've got family and stuff. I don't do as much as I used to. I used to love doing comedy, being out every night doing it. But like, you know, as soon as you've got a kid, like the sort of hunger for that goes because you just want to spend time with your kid. Did you ever clash with other comedians behind closed doors? Oh, 100%. Ed Byrne, you know that Irish guy?

59:56Like before I went on at Just the Tonic in Reading, which is a great, great club. He was all like, he was calling me a far right demagogue and all this stuff. This is because I was standing. And this is something that comedians should have been supporting. I stood for Lawrence Fox's Reclaim Party. I stood against Hamza Yusuf just to sort of draw attention to his hate speech bill. I think everybody should stand against Hamza Yusuf. Yeah, like it would have made comedy illegal. And we're already seeing comedians getting cancelled in Scotland. We saw Jerry Sadowitz getting cancelled because, you know, people said, feel unsafe.

1:00:30We've seen Jewish comedians getting cancelled in Scotland because the venue staff, you know, feel unsafe. It's the cowardly way of hiding behind their bigotry. but you know Ed Byrne said I was a far right demagogue I had to go and google what a demagogue was I thought it was the I thought it was the monster at Stranger Things but yeah absolute nonsense like everybody in comedy there's people in comedy who are full blown tanky communists and they don't get any grief think about some of the stuff Frankie Boyle comes out with if you're a mild conservative then people are oh you bigot oh my god oh you don't want communist revolution what's wrong with you and yeah Frankie Boyle doing his man like thing is Frankie Boyle used to be really funny he did all these really cruel jokes like that joke about Jordan you know and Harvey Price he said that Jordan went out with a kickboxer because she needed somebody strong enough to stop Harvey from raping her that's like man that is problematic on so many levels it's a funny it's a killer line it's such a funny line but it's so it's so problematic on like literally fucking about five levels but how can someone like Frankie Boyle moralise because he's always joking about raping paedophilia He's not anymore.

1:01:38The thing is, man, Frankie Boyle is like... Has he changed? As soon as all the woke stuff came in, I think he smelt the way things were going and he surrounded himself. He built this armour plating. Like, you know when you see those Russian tanks that have covered themselves in steel plating and stuff to protect themselves from drones. He's done the same thing. He's created this hedgehog tank, putting all these woke comedians around him. He had Sophie Duker and all these other comedians on talking about you know how we need to destroy capitalism you know and all the black lives matter bollocks and you know he's kind of disappeared from the the public eye a bit but that was that was that was protection i think i'm not sure that frankie boyle you know because he's a smart guy and he's a very uh acerbic guy who you know gets behind the facade and gets to the truth of things so i'm sure he doesn't believe it i'm sure it was just he didn't want to be dragged over the calls.

1:02:32He didn't want to have a struggle session where he was castigated as a bigot. So he clung to that life raft of wokeism and he's not funny anymore. No, no. Oh, Christ, he's lost his funny bones a long time ago. But Ricky Gervais has recently been getting backlash for his underground posts. But the thing is, because now people have got AI and they can change the slogan, what's actually on the banner, I don't know what his original banner was that created the backlash. There was something about having a stab vest or a rape kit. And there's been all sorts of, you know, one-liners. And the sad thing is they're not just funny, they're correct.

1:03:10You do need a stab vest. You can't wear your watch. You do need to protect yourself from rape. You should be carrying CS gas if you're a woman. You shouldn't be walking around in the dark. But I don't know what he actually said that's got him in trouble. And, well, who would object to that? Yeah, yeah. It's great, though, man. It's got everybody talking about Dutch barn. we're seeing the words Dutch barn vodka right now hopefully he's going to send you a crate but yeah man like Ricky Gervais and Ricky Gervais is somebody who man he stayed funny and he stayed you know twisting the you know and looking behind the facade and picking it apart like his stuff and it's so powerful because he's you're obviously such a huge comedian like his stuff about you know he's talking about the transgender stuff and he's like you know what do you mean what do you mean she's not a woman look at her pronouns you know that kind of stuff is so funny when he's talking about illegal immigration.

1:03:59And he's like, oh, I love illegal immigrants. You know what I mean? I love, you know, that boat turning up. And, you know, I was so sad when there's none on it. And then, like, you know, I look under the truck and, you know, he directs the guy to Gary Lineker's house or whatever, you know. He's so great at talking about these issues. But the ultimate responsibility for TFL and the marketing on the underground lies with Sadiq Khan. And, you know, he's overseeing this, you know, this complete demographic change in London. if you go back you know 60 years or whatever London was you know basically most mostly white you know if you go back you know to to World War II it's it's it was pretty much all white and it's had this rapid demographic change especially in the last few years where you know white Brits are now a minority in their own capital city and Sidney Khan is doing this because he knows those people who vote for him it's what Labour have tried to do on a bigger scale people say you know Fraser Nelson's always like, you know, oh, actually London's safer than it's ever been.

1:04:57Man, I don't believe that's true. Because I know when I worked in criminal intelligence, the violence was overwhelmingly between gangs. It was, you know, these kids were killing each other. But to be honest, like, so what? If you're going to be some sort of gang banging idiot, then yeah, you deserve to kill each other. And the problem that we had was because they could get guns, but they couldn't get the ammunition so much the ammunition was homemade so it's really inaccurate and rubbish um so it would like you know when they shot at somebody it would like spin off and kill a random bystander in a chicken shop or whatever sorry for profiling the chicken shop there but you know like i was thinking back then if we could just give them better ammunition it would increase their accuracy and they'd just kill each other and be no random bystander why do we arm why do we arm these gangsters?

1:05:46You know what I mean? But yeah, no, you can't do that. Whereas now I think the violence in London, I think there's much more, like you're more likely to have random attacks. Like in Birmingham the other day, there was that lassie, completely unprovoked, stabbed in the neck at a bus stop. She's like 32, 34 years old. Horrible, you know. Just some random screw who did it. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports.

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1:07:18So, you know, now we can have, you know, we've got violence on our streets that there wouldn't have been violence like that before. How do you think this all ends? Where are we going to end up? Man, as much as like Keir Starmer's all like, oh, Britain's always been about being kindness and compassionate and being a pussy and just letting people do whatever they want. and letting a stronger culture come in from overseas, this alien culture and dominate. No, Britain's never been about that. We've always been a fighting nation. We've always fought wars against much bigger countries. We've gone over, we've taken control of other countries.

1:07:55We ran a third of the world. The British Empire was like this incredible empire. Everybody's like, oh, it's so cruel, it's so horrible. No, it was mostly a sort of beneficial empire. Obviously, there was some cruelty. You know, it was the old days. There's bound to be some cruelty. You know, it was men running it. But we generated a huge amount of wealth. Everybody says, oh, you extracted the wealth. No, we generated wealth for those countries. We gave them infrastructure and railways and the bureaucracy to run a country. We gave them democracy. Look at India now, absolutely powering ahead. And man, I think Britain's at a turning point, an inflection point where we're not just going to assert ourselves and take control, take back control of our own country.

1:08:36we're also going to go to the Horn of Africa we're going to go to these places if the argument is that these poor men in the Horn of Africa they need to come to Britain because they're at risk of persecution in the Horn of Africa we're going to go to the Horn of Africa and we're going to run it properly and we're going to bring back the British Empire So that's where you think we're going? That's the sort of natural progression I think Britain's going to reassert itself never underestimate the power of you know, a small group of British people to get organized and run things. And, you know, we've sort of, I think people on the right have taken their eye off the ball and let the sort of the busybodies, the lefties run things for so long.

1:09:20Only about, you know, 10, 15 % of the population is, you know, genuinely a sort of progressive leftist. They're completely at odds with the rest of the population. So we're going to take back control from those people. And it's probably, you know just as well as it's happening the sooner you know keir starmer falls the better and uh yeah we're gonna we're gonna take back control of the country and we're gonna make it great again yeah the sooner starmer falls the better and with any luck flat on his face before i ask you the final question and it's a good question it's important and i'm also going to ask you i'm going to ask you about the next guest i'm just about to interview but before we get to there and people will want to listen to this question especially if they're going to watch the next guest, which they will.

1:10:01Where can people, I'm going to put all your links in the description here, but where can people come and find your work? So I do streams on Patreon. I've got a YouTube channel, and that's probably my main two things. I do social media now as well, but YouTube, Patreon, and Twitter as well for my tweets. I do videos on YouTube all the time, and yeah, Patreon for the streams. Okay, so I'll put all of those links in the description, so please do go and find Leo. I know this hasn't been a particularly funny interview, but he is hilarious and he's very kind and he's got a great brain and some good takes on situations that make you change the way you think about it.

1:10:41And that's what it's all about, seeing things from different people's eyes. And stick for this last question because you'll be watching the next podcast. I know it when you hear who I've got coming on. I'm going where people fear to tread. But like and subscribe to this channel as well because it helps me get Better guests on like I have today with Leo I thought you could say better guests than this guy No, like you But, so Ethno-nationalism What are your thoughts on ethnats And if I had Steve Laws Sitting opposite me What would you ask him Because he seems to be the kingpin of the ethnats on X Man, so there's a couple of things with Steve Laws I'd say, you know, don't you think you're sort of alienating A lot of people Because the thing is, man, we all grew up In a sort of multicultural society and we've all got mates who are, you know, from all different, you know, shades of skin, all different kinds of background and stuff.

1:11:31So I don't want to see, you know, my mates, Darius and Nico, having to worry about getting deported because, you know, like Darius's dad came from Iran or whatever. I think it's a hard sell. Ethno-nationalism is going to be an extremely hard sell in Britain. And also, I don't think it's the answer. Genuinely, you know, there's so many people who are integrated and are true patriots. Like my uncle's Indian and he's like more patriotic than me. You know what I mean? He loves his country. I know there's a few sort of high profile moaners like Dr. Shola Moss Shogbang Bing Bong or Narendra Kor who, you know, constantly moan about Britain.

1:12:10So every time I see it, I'm like, well, why are you here then? You know what I mean? Like go and live in a country you like, but like, I don't think ethno-nationalism is the answer and I don't think you're ever going to be able to sell it to more than like you know five ten percent of the population as a as a viable thing I mean I've met Steve Laws I don't agree with him he's called me stuff before I've called him stuff I think I called him I said you look like Dylan Mulvaney when she takes her makeup off sorry Dylan Mulvaney when he takes his makeup off I don't know why I said why did I use the pronouns there I'm just so I'm so progressive You fell for it.

1:12:45You fell into their trap. The progressive trap. We've got him. Yeah. But yeah, no, he looks like Dylan Mulvaney when he takes his makeup off. And like, if you're going to deport people, like, at least be strong enough to deport someone yourself. You know what I mean? Be strong enough to get, you know, some Eritrean guy in a headlock and, you know, drag him down to the deportation boat. You know what I mean? But, you know, on the other hand, you know, even though I disagree with them, I can sort of see where he's coming from. I don't think he's some sort of swivel-eyed lunatic. I think he's somebody who cares passionately about his country.

1:13:24He's got a family and stuff, and he cares about the future of his country. And he can see the direction of travel, and he can see... Because he lives down on the coast, doesn't he? So he sees the people coming in. I don't know much about him. All I know is he insulted me on X. Yeah. So rather than respond, I said, you sound like an interesting person. Yeah. Or you'd be an interesting guest. The door's open. Yeah, yeah. And then he took me up on the offer. So we'll see in a minute. Yeah, yeah. And I think this is what people on the left don't understand. People like Steve Laws, even though he's obviously way more extreme than someone like Tommy Robinson.

1:13:57Well, they hate each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Steve Laws hates Tommy because Tommy isn't extreme. Tommy isn't an ethno-nationalist. Tommy's not right-wing enough. Yeah, yeah. Steve Laws doesn't like me because I'm not right-wing enough. He doesn't like me because I'm not right-wing enough. So we've got the left that hate us because they think we're far right And the far right hate us because we're not actually far right We're in a bad place Fucking hated by everyone No, but I think everybody is persuadable And I think Steve is persuadable I think, you know, he's not You can tell when somebody's just mental You know what I mean?

1:14:31And they've got that swivel-eyed craziness And Steve doesn't have that I think, you know, he's probably starting to think Now that, you know, he's not just shouting into the wind, now that, you know, the country is moving to the right and it's going to be, you know, actioning more right wing things. And you're seeing across Europe, you know, a lot of countries are now remigrating. People like Germany is sending Syrians back. I think he's going to probably moderate his views to a more, you know, reasonable, you know, plausible level. and I think you get people out there like the Sunder Catwalla who says that I'm a swivel-eyed lunatic racist which is just it's kind of adorable that he's such an idiot and obviously he thinks he thinks Steve Laws is like the antichrist descendant well not even an antichrist because that's sticking to a Christian patriarchal culture but he thinks Steve Laws is the ultimate evil and I don't think Steve Laws is I think Steve Laws is a reasonable guy who's let himself get to...

1:15:45Overexcited. Yeah, overexcited into some crazy places. But again, look at the situation the country's in. Look at what Steve Laws has seen with his own eyes. I can understand that path. I can understand why... It's very difficult to read the grooming gang transcripts and have any feeling apart from that. You really have to work hard to contain your revulsion and your hatred for a culture that would justify that. Yeah, I can't argue with that. But back to you. Anything you want to round this up on? Anything you want to say off the ground back? What would your final message to the masses be? Oh, fuck, man.

1:16:27If you were PM. If I was PM, man, honestly, democracy is in free fall in the UK. Like we've seen like in Ballymena and Epping, places like that, we've seen people try and engage with the democratic process, you know, go to political leaders, go to the council, go to police and say like, look, we've got this problem. We've got this problem. We want to resolve it, whether it's a migrant hotel or, you know, the gangster families that are moved into Ballymena. And, you know, they say, we've got this problem, we want to resolve of it and they get told no what are you talking about you racist bigot this is you know these people are enriching you uh this is what you're having you don't understand why it's good for you and good for society but we're imposing it that's not democracy that's a that's a you know an elective dictatorship that's you know that's some imposed by an elite so we're seeing then you know and the and the court system backs it up the court system you know sided with uh with the foreign migrants in Epping and said that the hotel must still stay open and used for illegal migrants.

1:17:27So, you know, we've got activist judges using foreign laws to side with foreign people over the British people in Epping. So then people take to the streets. So in Epping, they protest, you know, there's threats made against the hotel. In Ballymena, they took to the streets and they actually burnt the houses out of the problematic families that, you know, they wanted to go on from the area. And, you know, people say this is just mindless thuggery. I mean, there's video footage of people in Ballymena moving cars, moving, you know, residents' cars out of the way so they don't get burnt. So it wasn't mindless.

1:17:58It was extremely targeted. And obviously, violence of any sort, you know, property damage, stuff like that is horrific and, you know, shouldn't happen. But the government is creating a system where it's the only way that people can make things happen, can achieve their goals. And in Ballymena, it undeniably helped them achieve their goals. That's a very dangerous message for the government to send out. The government is basically encouraging and incentivizing this violence, incentivizing direct action. So what I say to the government is do what people want. I know it's a radical concept for a democracy, But do what people want And govern for the British people Don't govern for your Far left ideals Don't govern for illegal Migrants because they say they're asylum seekers Govern for the British people And then you won't have the problems You're having But they obviously won't Leo, as always, thoroughly enjoy your company I wonder where we're going to be in a year's time I dare say we'll be sat back here And we can recap over what the hell's going on and I'm hoping that things improve.

1:19:16But at this stage, I'm not overly optimistic. But to round it on a positive note, it's been a joy. You look a million dollars. Good to see you again. And I can confirm that nor you or I are funded by anyone other than a few Google ads if we're lucky enough to get monetized. Certainly not the Jews. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. But if Mossad wouldn't give me money, I'm all here. Or if Qatar, If I'm asked, wouldn't fund me. I'm willing to change my opinions. Man, I'll do that. You know what I mean? Easily spayed, easily bought. Yeah, you'll never buy me. Good health, brother. Cheers, man. See you again.

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