Convicted TERRORIST Stands For Election in UK: John Hannam

22:59I think you've got all the bodies that are involved in it. So you've got the UN, you've got the EU, World Health Organization, WEF, the Davos crew, etc. They all seem to be pushing hard for it. And I think a lot of the politicians, particularly in the EU and a lot of Western countries seem to have bought into it. I don't think we're quite there. their whole plan seems to be complete centralisation, governance from the centre, take away individual country and individual people's power to make their own decisions. I don't think we're quite there. I think, to be honest, Brexit gets slated. I voted to leave and I absolutely would do all over again.

23:42Not because I think it's been a roaring success, because it absolutely hasn't, but just because I think everyone needs to stand on their own two feet and make their own decisions. And I think for me, that's what globalism is about. It's about taking away individuality, taking away individual countries and people's decision-making power. And we need that back in the UK. Even if you make a complete bollocks of it and you get it completely wrong, at least you've made that decision yourself. Stand up, take responsibility, deal with your own issues. Don't abdicate that to a load of faceless bureaucrats in Brussels or the UN or WF or wherever it might be.

24:15And how do you think we prevent communism overtaking the UK? I mean, it doesn't seem, doesn't really seem whatever we do seems to change anything. You vote for one party, you get the same. And it's all steering more and more towards communism, which is frightening. And I'm going to ask you about digital ID as well, because I'm sure you've thought about that long and hard. But how do we prevent communism from becoming prominent? I don't, I'm not massively worried about this becoming a communist country. I think I've got a lot of belief in British people and our general sense of common sense. And I think we've lost a lot of that because coming back to easy times, make weak men.

24:59I think we've had it far too easy for too long. And so people have just become lapsed, have let everything drift. I think when the shit hits the fan, I suspect, and I think there's already signs of it happening, people are starting to wake up, people are starting to push back, starting to go, well, this is not going well for us. I think where politics has changed is we've gone from the two-party state in this country, a uni-party, it's either Labour in power or Conservatives in power, to a genuine mixed bag of parties. Now, you've got Labour, you've got Conservatives, you've got Lib Dems, you've got the Greens coming up, you've obviously got Reform, you've got Restore, you've got Advance, Scottish National Party.

25:35So I suspect that it's changed and it's changed for good. And I think you might even start to see a lot more hung parliaments. And when you get hung parliaments, you're going to have to get lots of people talking to each other and forming alliances. We just need to make sure it's not the bloody Greens and Labour that form the next alliance. Otherwise, we're in deep trouble. And that could quite easily happen. I could see a coalition between them two. 100%. Yeah. And then that is time to pay attention and start worrying. I mean, reform are the favourite at the moment. let's say they don't win the election or don't get enough to have a majority.

26:03They may well win the election, but not quite enough to get across the line. So they then get the first opportunity to try and form an alliance with someone. Well, at the moment, Nigel Farage doesn't look like he's going to be able to make an agreement with Rupert Lowe or Ben Habib or anyone like that. Will he form an alliance with Kemi Badnock and the Conservatives? I think there's a strong possibility that might happen. But if they can't form a government, well, then it goes to the next down the track. And that could well be Labour, the Greens, the Lib Dems. And if you get that at the next election, I think we're finished.

26:33Who do you think the political solution are? I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure I completely trust Nigel and Richard Tice and Zia Yusuf, but they are the ones in the driving seat. They're the ones who look like winning. I'd like to think that Ben Habib and Rupert Lowe can put their differences behind them. I don't know whether they're going to. There seems to be a lot of ego involved in that. I just want one of those three to win. We need to win. If we don't win the next election, we're in the shit. I actually think as well, much as I can't bring myself to trust the Tories after what they've done to us over the last 14 years, they've got some good people in their party.

27:10If you saw what Nick Timothy said in Parliament yesterday about sort of what's going on with Islam, Katie Lamb is brilliant. Kemi Badnock has actually sort of stepped up her game. So are you going to see a resurgence in the Tories? I don't know. But it needs to be someone right of centre of the wins, otherwise we're in trouble. Imagine if they all pulled together. reform, restore, advance, conservatives. If you could pick your dream team, how would that look? If they was all one party, where would you position these people? I think you need a front man and you need a strong leader. So for me, that probably is Rupert Lowe.

27:46My concern about him is, from what I've read and what I understand, he's very much a like it or lump it sort of guy. He's the director of the ship and if people don't fool him behind him, he gets the ump and throws his toys out of pram. but you need a front man, you need a leader. So I think he would be a good Prime Minister. Nigel Farage is very charismatic, so you'd probably want him somewhere there in the government. Ben Habib, I think, is the brain box and I think he's got great ethics, great morals. And as I say, you've got some young people, some good people coming through. Katie Lamb, I think, is a future party leader.

28:18I don't know if you've seen much of her. She's really good, really bright and really on the right wavelength. Have you seen the recent performances from Nigel Farage that's been leaked? Yeah, of him doing his own videos. I mean he's worth a fortune he earns a fortune and he's still doing cameo appearances for a pittance I just wonder why he does that but I just do want to put it on record that that little clip that you saw where he's talking into the phone and then a notification comes up for fuck's sake and then the next one oh fuck's sake and the next one fuck's sake you cunt I must have watched that a hundred times and the more I watched it the more I laughed I mean, I thought that was absolutely hilarious.

28:59Probably because you relate to it, because that happens to me all the time. Same. I haven't got good equipment. I just use my phone for most of my time. I mean, the amount of times I'm in the middle of making a video, I mean, someone rings me, it's like, for fuck's sake, it happens all the time. So that's why you can relate to it. Yeah, and I sort of, I go hot and cold with Farage. But yeah, seeing him talking to the phone and say, fuck you, you cunt. Do you not think that's why people like him? Because he is relatable. He comes across as being relatively, I mean, I think he's got a massive ego.

29:24I think he loves the publicity. He loves being front and centre. We've all got our foibles. We've all got our things. And for him, I think he likes to be the man. But at the same time, if you wanted to go for a pint with one of them, you'd probably have a right giggle with him. And I think that's why he's so popular, is people can relate to him. Yeah, although people are using that little cameo snippet against him, I think that's gone for him. I think that's completely humanised him. 100%. And yeah, it totally made me laugh. So Digital ID, tell me what you've thought about that. Terrifying. I was just about to use the word frightening.

29:57And I think some people think, no, it's fine. It's for convenience. You tell me your thoughts on it. They sell it on the idea of convenience. Oh, you won't need to. You can just have everything in one place. It'll make your life so much easier, make your life so much simpler. But what's going to gradually happen is it's going to be in every part of your life. You won't be able to transact your life unless you've got it. So initially it'll be, we will make your life easier. And then it'll become, oh, but you can't do that unless you've got it. And it'll be your communications and your emails. It'll be your travel.

30:26It'll be your banking. It'll be enrolling your kids in school or university. It'll be every single part of your life. And what that then does is it gives the authorities oversight of every single part of your life. And once they've got oversight, they gradually get control because they can say, well, we can see you're doing this. And actually, we don't like you doing that. So you can't do that anymore. And you can't do that anymore. And if they then hook that up to central bank digital currencies, CDBCs, then you've got a massive problem. Because not only have they got oversight of everything that they're doing in your life, I don't know if you know about CBDCs, but they're programmable.

31:01So what that means is you'll get paid in this central bank digital currency. It's like a digital token. And that can be programmed. So it will say, for example, here's your£1 ,000 wages this month, Liam, but you've got to spend that by the end of April. Otherwise, it disappears. it erases or hits your thousand pound wages, but you can't spend that on flights because we're trying to get down the amount of flight travel that people are doing. So once they've got oversight of every part of your life, and then they've also got control of your money or your digital token, that's like the Chinese social credit system on steroids.

31:34You're screwed. Yeah. I say to anybody, if you're going to push back on something, push back against digital ID because that is, that's not the beginning of the end. That's the end. And we don't need it. Why do we need it? I've got a passable. I've got a driving license. I've never had any issue proving who I am to anyone. Well, that's the thing that people should be questioning. People that are just going along blindly, they should ask that question. Why? Everything's fine as it is. We don't need digital ID. What problem is it going to solve? Normally you bring something in to solve a problem.

32:01Well, I don't think we've got a problem. What is the problem? Well, Starmer's using the excuse of migration. We can stop illegal migration if we have digital ID. They chuck all their passports in the channel anyway. What difference are you going to make? The Navy are supposed to take care of that, for starters. And the benefit system. If you want to stop migration, stop the benefits. And vet people more thoroughly that you're allowing to come in. I mean, migration, let's just go there. What are your thoughts on migration? For me personally, I think it needs to be stopped immediately, legal and illegal, until we get our shit sorted.

32:31Again, I think we've been gaslighted a little bit because everyone focuses on illegal migration. And clearly, illegal migration is a massive issue. It needs to be stopped. We need to stop these men. We haven't got a man, let's be honest. 95 % of them are fellas. We have no idea who they are. We have no idea what their background is. And more and more and more and more of them are proving to be dangerous. So that's got to be scrapped day one. I don't care whether we upset people. That's got to be done. But the biggest issue is legal migration. We've had literally, I mean, the population has grown by about 12 million people this century alone.

33:02That's physically impossible to contain. And I don't care whether they come from Australia or Afghanistan or United States or Uganda. It's just too many people in the country. There's not enough houses. There's not enough GPs, not enough schools, not enough roads. It's physically impossible to contain that many people and to run a society properly. And I would limit it to a maximum of 75 or 100 ,000 people a year for the next decade and then reassess it in a decade and see what happens. I mean, outside of the obvious wars that are taking place at the moment, do you think anything's going to be put in place purposefully to reduce the population?

33:39I don't know. I mean, that's, again, that's the big conspiracy theory question, isn't it? I try not to get dragged down too much into that. You see all these sorts of posts on X and on various things saying they want to reduce the global population by 20%, 50%, 75%. People argue that's what COVID was all about. I don't know. Again, why? What's the end game for that? It's like this whole elite conspiracy theory. They want to run the world. They want to reduce the population. What are they getting out of that? I don't understand, maybe I'm not clever enough to understand it, but I take some things with a pinch of salt.

34:17I don't get dragged into everything. No, you and me both. But I'm just curious. I always like to know what other people think because I know that I know very little in the scheme of things, but I also know that most people know very little in the scheme of things and it pays to pay attention. Population's interesting, isn't it? Because the birth rate in Western countries amongst the Indigenous people has literally fallen through the floor. You've got what's called the replacement birth rate, which I think you need to have 2.1 children per family to maintain the level of your population. In most Western countries, I think we're down to about 1.45.

34:47Loads of them are down to 1.2, 1.3, 1.5, which means that the population of those countries is going to dwindle. And that is the argument for bringing in so many people, for bringing in all the immigrants. But you've got some countries that have taken the opposite stance. Hungary, Viktor Orban, through the tax system, he's rewarding their population to have more children. He's effectively paying women to stay at home, bang out kids. Therefore, they don't have to then import workers. They don't have to bring immigrants into the country because he wants to maintain their identity, their nationality.

35:20So there are ways that you can change society. I think we need to do 180 degree about turn. It ain't going to be easy, but we need to make a start on it. I mean, at the start of this interview, I said, what got you into the business of upsetting people and we spoke about offence. So let me bring offence back because that's a big topic online. Everyone seems to be offended about something. And if they're not offended, they'll find something or they'll look for something to be offended about for whatever reason. It's just insane the way the world's gone. I mean, to even be talking about offence is ridiculous.

35:56But do you take offence too much? No, it's bollocks, isn't it? It is. I mean, I've never been, I don't think I've ever been offended in my life. I've been upset. People make me angry. I get pissed off. But offended, oh, you said something that has wounded me or offended me. That's the refuge of the weak. Not at all. And I think it's being used as a weapon. I think, are these people genuinely offended or are they just telling you they're offended because then it gives them the upper hand on you? It's bullshit. What can you say that's going to offend you? Although I think it is a thing. I mean, you read about footballers that are all over social media and then they miss a goal and they get a load of abuse online and they're so offended, they're hurt by it.

36:36Really? I don't take offence. If anything, I mean, I've never blocked anyone online in my life. I don't block anyone and I get a load of stick, a load of abuse. Same. And I enjoy it. I get so much fun out of it. If I'm bored for an hour, I'll find someone that's abused me and I'll start poking them with a stick and trying to wind them up, have a bit of banter, have a bit of laugh. They're just exposing themselves. It's fun. And so I don't understand this whole concept of offence. I don't get it. And you've really got to have a high opinion of yourself to have that much gall to say, I'm offended.

37:07Well, who the fuck are you? Who do you think you are? And so what? Yeah. You don't die of it. It doesn't hurt you that much. Yeah. Humble yourself. Your offence is not important to anybody. Yeah. We mentioned weak men, easy times. Yeah, yeah. Now, over the years, so I was born 1980, you must be born 1970. 69. Yeah. Good year. Very good year. But I've seen alpha males, like men's men, men amongst men, over the years that I used to think had broad shoulders and I could rely on this man to be a man, they've become very weak, really, really weak. And I thought, how does an alpha male go from an alpha male to someone that's downtrodden, beaten?

37:55And you can see it in their eyes, not just their mannerisms and the tone of their voice, they've lost their gravitas, they've lost their inner belief, everything. They're downtrodden. Why do you think that's happened? I just think it's a gradual, gradual process. I think if you stick your head above the parapet, you get shot at. And when it happens enough over a long period of time, I think people just start ducking. And I think when you see everyone ducking, it takes a big pair of cojones to keep sticking your head out and keep saying the wrong thing or the right thing. and the media portrayals of men, the rise of semi-radical feminism, the rise of leftism, for want of a better word, the woke society that we live in.

38:39It's hard to be a genius. What is an alpha male as well? I don't really like the phrase that much. As I said to you earlier on, I think being a proper man is just about doing the right thing. It's really straightforward, forward. But I think we live in a world where it's quite hard to do the right thing a lot of the time. You want to be sensitive. You want to look after your kids. You want to be kind to your wife. You want to open doors for people. You want to do all those old fashioned things. But at the same time, if somebody pisses you off, I'm a believer. You should give them a slap every now and then.

39:08I don't start trouble. I've never been a fighter. I don't go looking for it, but I also won't walk away from it. But that gets frowned upon now. And you look at what went on during of the Second World War and you think, well, if I happen now, what would our country do? Could we find enough actual men that would be willing to do it? Yeah, courage. Yeah. Yeah, we need courage. And I'm with you on everything you've just said there. Do you ever cry? Yeah. Yeah, me too. 100%. I don't see a problem with that at all. No. 100%. I get very emotional, particularly about family, about illness or death within the family, without going into detail.

39:43I've had a fairly traumatic childhood and background when it comes to that sort of stuff, and it still affects me, absolutely. But you cry, you wipe your nose, you blow your nose, you move on. You can't let that, this whole, again, a whole trauma, mental health type thing, I sympathise with it. I think it's very good that we talk about it a lot more, but you can't let it dominate you. No matter what's going on in your life, you've got to get up, go work, earn some money, look after your missus, look after your kids and get on with your life and keep moving forward. And I think a lot of people just sink into self-pity.

40:16I think men that hide or lie or pretend about their emotions, pretend they're okay when they're not, I think that's what's killing men. Yeah. Because if you bottle that shit up, you'll implode and it will break you. You will go from a big, strong guy. Because you don't release something that's bothering you, that's what eats you alive and erodes your masculinity. That's one of my theories. Yeah, 100%. I think if you can't be yourself, then you are effectively rotting from the inside. I think if you can have the balls to just be who you are, whatever that might be, and there's going to be good bits to that and bad bits to that.

40:54But if you can be yourself, then you can probably look at yourself comfortably in the mirror in the morning. And that's very important. Yeah. And I think it's a good message for men, actually. There's a lot of men struggling. I know this because I get direct messages on the daily. A lot of men completely lost, no purpose, no respect at home. And I think my message to everyone, and I can't sit there responding to people all the time. So it's nice to be able to say this on a bigger platform. if you're feeling a certain way, lean into it. If you find something funny, laugh your bollocks off it. If something's happened in your life that actually makes you feel so sad that it makes your eyes leak, lean into that, let it the fuck out, and then move on.

41:32And there's no shame in it. Even if you feel awkward or a little bit embarrassed, the effect it has if you bottle it up is far worse than a little bit of temporary embarrassment because you're crying in front of somebody. I think accept yourself. Just listen, none of us are perfect. I've got a shitload of faults and foibles and quirks and I know exactly what they are. And would I change them? Probably not because it makes me me. Accept yourself. If you can accept yourself, if you can look in the mirror and think I'm actually relatively comfortable in my own skin, despite me being a complete dickhead on this front, then it makes your life a lot easier.

42:05It's when you try and deny that characteristic or deny this part of yourself, then you've got an internal struggle going on. You've got a problem. Yeah, it's a good answer. I sort of double down on my weaknesses. I make sure I home in on them. It's like, I'm aware that that's not my strong point. Let me work on that. I'm not going to pretend my weak points and my imperfections don't exist. It's like, what the fuck is this? Like narcissism 101. I'm one. It's like, no, no, no. And I think if you focus on all your weak points, everything else levels up. Embrace your inner twat. Yeah, totally. And before we move on to some real juicy stuff, just explain to me how global warming is a scam as if I was a five-year-old.

42:40I don't think it's a scam. I think global, not necessarily global warming, climate change, I think is real. I think it's a real thing, but I think it's always been a real thing. I'm a bit of a geek. I read a load of stuff about history. And if I read something on X, I'll go and do some research on it. There was a medieval warm period. There was a Roman warm period where temperatures were very comparable to what they are now. I think it was in the 1700s, the Thames used to freeze across completely from bank to bank in central London. We've always had fluctuations and variations in the climate and in temperature.

43:12The question is, are we affecting it and are we making it worse? I'm sure we are to an extent, but they sort of claim that the science is proven, the science is done. There's no question. If you even ask a question about it, oh, he's a climate denier, he's a science denier. And that's bollocks because the science isn't done. There's thousands of scientists around the world that argue with what they say is climate change and global warming. I read an article the other day that said that rising CO2 causes temperature rises. There's a lot of evidence. Actually, it's the other way around. Global temperature rises, and that's what pushes CO2 up.

43:48There's another article I read that said that actually it's the oceans and gradual warming of the oceans over time that causes temperature rises. There's so many theories. The answer is the science isn't settled. We don't know what the cause is. And yes, I think there is climate change. Are we causing it? Probably not. And the reality of the situation is if you could wave a Harry Potter magic wand tonight and Britain went completely net zero tomorrow morning, by the end of this year, global emissions would still be higher than they are today anyway. So what's the point in this country completely impoverishing itself, skinting itself, putting energy prices through the roof, stopping our engineering and industrial and manufacturing base being able to make anything because it's too expensive.

44:32What's the point of doing all of that if we're going to make fuck all difference to the global climate anyway? It's economic suicide. I have no idea why they're doing it. I can't get my head around it. Yeah, because it's Ed Miliband, isn't it? He's really, really pushing this, isn't he? Well, there's a guy called Dale Vince. Dale Vince runs a company called Ecotricity. Ecotricity, I think, is either the biggest or one of the biggest donors to the Labour Party. I think he donated£5 million to the Labour Party. And then, lo and behold, Ecotricity get awarded hundreds of millions of pounds worth of global warming-based and climate change-based products and projects.

45:09Ed Miliband, I think, I read that one of his associates runs a company, and that company also gets awarded tens of millions of pounds worth of contracts. So is it just on that basis? There's an awful lot of money in it. It's a very, very, very big business globally. Yeah. Well, here's a shift. We're going to go from global warming to you supporting Tommy Robinson. Tell me why you support Tommy Robinson and then tell me about the backlash you've received. I don't know Tommy well. I've met him once. I do a little bit of freelance for wants of transparency so I don't get accused of lying. I do a little bit of freelance work for Urban Scoop, the media company he's associated with.

45:48Why do I gut instinct more than anything else? I think he's real. I like the fact that he's not afraid to be passionate, to be angry, to be controversial, to speak his mind. And I love the resilience and the fortitude that he's shown, because to go through what he's gone through over 15, getting on for 20 year period, you don't do that if it's bullshit. You don't do that if it's fake, because no one would put through that. No one would be constantly living their life in danger, losing their marriage, not having to see their kids, spending how many times has he been in Nick? Lots of times been in Nick.

46:30You don't do that if it's fake. And you don't do that if it's just because you're on the payroll with someone. I mean, I've read all the stories about he gets paid this, he gets paid that. And actually, my response to that is, I don't care. Good luck to him. If you put yourself of out there to that extent, you work as hard as he works, you put your life in that situation, then you deserve some reward. So I don't really care if he's getting rewarded for it. And how I grew up was around men that had anger and controversy and that were real men. And I see that in him. And so it's my reaction to him is more of an emotional reaction more than anything else.

47:08But I also think he's belittled very unfairly. He gets accused of just being a thug and a racist, et cetera, et cetera. If you actually listen to what he says, he's seriously smart. He's really bright. He's really articulate. He can think on his feet. You can throw questions at him and he can answer them. I think he was in Braintree a few weeks ago and he made an ITV journalist look an absolute prize plump, turned him inside out just by giving him facts. He seems to have one of those brains that absorbs information and then can regurgitate it in a clever way. And so I think he's very underrated and very badly maligned.

47:46And I wholeheartedly give my support. And yes, I do get a shitload of stick for it. But again, I don't care. It is what it is. It's amazing that you would get stick for supporting a man that's so patriotic and protective of vulnerable people, essentially. But it's the media again, isn't it? I mean, rightly or wrongly, the vast majority of people in this country still get most of their information from BBC, ITV, Sky, Channel 4, whatever, from the Daily Mail, from The Sun, etc. And you can't blame them for that. They're just going about living their lives. It's only you and me that spend all of our time on social media.

48:20We talk to each other. We talk to like-minded people. The vast majority of people don't do that. The vast majority of people are just too busy going to work, trying to pay the bills, trying to feed their kids. They haven't got the time to devote any energy to that. So they just put on the six o 'clock news or 10 o 'clock news every night and they listen to it and that's where they get their information. So I don't blame them. That's the way it is. And they get told that people like Tommy or like you or like me, we're far right, we're extremists, we're thugs, we're racists. Don't you rope me into this.

48:49But you know what I'm saying. Totally. We all get put in that box. Yes, it's insane. And it is what it is. And that's why you can't take it. When I get to stick about it, shrug it off. I was in a gym changing room only two days ago and somebody was calling the Unite the Kingdom movement racist. I'm like, wow, are people still there? Now, Unite the Kingdom festivals are full of all different colours. It's like, no, you're well off the mark there. People are still confusing being critical of an idea as being racist. I mean, they're worlds apart. Like no one cares about, most of us are colourblind.

49:29And if there was somebody that was racist in any kind of movement we was involved with, I know that it would be us in-house that would deal with it before anybody else. Somehow they've managed to conflate patriotism or loving your country with racism. And that's a very clever move by those on the left, whether it's the globalists or whoever. That's smart by them because, was it Emily Thornberry, of a Labour politician that years ago said about white van man and England flags and it's racist, blah, blah, blah. And they've managed to plant that idea in people's heads that if you put a British flag up or an English flag up, you're a tattooed like me, you're a football thug.

50:07I think that's starting to fade away. I think we're starting to see a bit of a resurgence in hopefully old-fashioned patriotism. Do you know how many well-to-do older people, say, in their 60s and 70s, like really well-to-do, very well-spoken, you know. I'm common as much compared to them. The amount of people, that generation, that approach me and want to have a chat and a conversation, thank me for having guests on that speak their mind, and they can see the lunacy in these left-wing slurs that they love to sling at people to silence them and shut down debate. And I just think, thank God there's still a generation like you that still exists.

50:49But I think to myself, when the dying breeds die, what are we left with? People that are going through the education system that are being indoctrinated and, you know, voting for the Green Party. I mean, do you know how many youngsters are voting for the Greens? My son is 18. I don't really want to talk about him on here. But I have this conversation with him and he swears that he thinks it's changing. He thinks it's the 19 to 30 year olds that think that way. And he says that quite a lot of people that he associates, but then again, he's quite a sporty kid. He plays football. So maybe it's that type of man that he associates with.

51:24But he seems to think that the ball is swinging back in our favour a little bit and that the new breed coming through, there are quite a lot that are relatively capitalist and British favouring and nationalistic, et cetera. So hopefully he's right. Yeah, we need to normalise capitalism and nationalism and not consider them dirty words. They're the cleanest words that we can find. And we need them more than ever now because the alternative is Iran 1979. And is there any other countries? Because there's a lot of debate online at the moment about, you know, just focus on your own country. I don't want to hear about this country or that country.

52:01For me, I think, well, I can learn from other countries because there's patterns. Life is one big pattern. And you've just got to follow it and think, okay, well, if we do X, Y and Z like they did there, that's how we're going to land. And I don't want to be in that position. So is there any other countries that you pay attention to? Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, you do pay attention to other countries. I mean, unfortunately, most of the Western world, I think, is struggling with a lot of the same issues that we are. If you look at all the European countries, I think they're, to one degree or another, they're all in exactly the same place that we are, other than possibly places like Poland.

52:35I think Poland have got it right. Hungary have got it right. You could sort of say the USA, although the USA is starting to have some of the issues that we've got as well. You look at what's going on in Michigan and Dearborn and Texas and places like that. I've got a mate that lives out in Thailand, and he tells me some brilliant stuff about Thailand, and he tells me some terrible things. I don't think there's – you can't say there's one country that's nailed it. I think you're right. I think exactly what you said is right. You've got to look at and pick the best bits from different places and think, well, maybe we should do that.

53:06Singapore, for example, I think has got it right from a sort of an economic and a social point of view. I've never been there, but I'm told by everyone who has that it's a cracking place to be. You don't litter in Singapore. I said fuck in a taxi in Singapore and the driver threatened to get me arrested. True story. It's like, really? Yeah. I mean, again, there's a balancing act in there because you don't want to live in a completely authoritarian, dictatorial regime where you can't say the word fuck. I'd be in trouble if I couldn't say the word fuck. Imagine being banned from using your favourite word.

53:38Oh, it is my favourite word as well. They are being in deep trouble. So you've got to be a little bit careful where the line is drawn. But at the same time, you've got to have rules. And I think we've gone too far the other way. And I ask this question quite often now because there's so many mixed opinions and Israel are getting the blame for a lot of stuff now. And I want to know the truth. I want to know what other people think because I don't think you can gauge the political sphere from X itself. I think it's at the moment dominated with ethno-nationalists that want 100 % white skin. but they're very big in their numbers and it can sort of jade and distort reality.

54:15But have you got a theory on who's responsible for this mass invasion that the West has come under? I think big businesses, big banks, the people that are the real money people, the people that are the powers above the powers, they want everything on the cheap. And for them, importing massive amounts of cheap labour is a benefit for them. And I think that underlies a lot of it. I think creating millions of people across all the Western nations that are relatively easily controllable and relatively cheap to pay and to employ, I think is a big benefit for them. So I suspect that that's what's underlying a lot of it.

54:53Who you can actually point the finger at and you can blame for that, I don't know. Yeah, a lot of people certainly are pointing their fingers at specific people. The Israeli mafia is normally the go-to for most people now. And I'm just wondering if that's become contagious because somebody said it very convincingly at the start and it spread like that, or is there actual truth in it? It's a tough one to know because I don't want to be living in ignorant bliss. I actually really, really want to know. Then I can expose a little bit more, dig a little bit deeper. The whole Israel question is a tricky one to get into, and you can drop yourself deep in the shit depending on your viewpoint on it.

55:33and I think you can have two I think people try to categorise life as being either black or white I don't think it is I think most of the time it's muddy grey and all the shades in between and I think it's purposefully messy because it keeps us doing this and I think with Israel I think there's truth in the fact that they're an extremely smart race of people and if you look at big business all around the world whether that's Hollywood or the music industry or banking or whatever they have an over-representation of people in all those industries and they're very, very smart. So do they have control, let's say, of things that we don't know about more so than other countries?

56:10Probably undoubtedly, yes. Is that a stick to beat them with? Well, not necessarily. That's just them being smart. If we could do the same, wouldn't we do the same? So I try not to get drawn into the whole anti-Semitic Zionist. I get called a Zionist all the time. Fuck knows why. I have no idea. Yes, so do I. My honest opinion is I don't give a shit about Israel, really. So why I get called this or I'm on the payroll? Well, if I'm on the payroll, if I give you my address, can you send me some checks, please? Because it doesn't seem to be arriving. It just makes me think, if you can get that so wrong, like what else, anyone that says to me, you're getting paid£7 ,000 a post, because I went to Israel for a week on a recce.

56:49As far as a lot of people are concerned, on X. You're a Mossad asset or you're paid by the Jews. It's like, I can assure you the Jews don't give a fuck about me like I don't give a fuck about them. What I bring it back, listen, let's say the conspiracy theories are true. Let's say it is all down to Israel and it is all down to Jews. I'm not saying it is, but let's say for sake of argument it is. I look at what's happening in this country. How is it affecting the future of my kids? Are Jewish people rioting on the streets or marching through the streets of London every Saturday? No, they're not.

57:21Are they exerting undue influence on Parliament and trying to change our laws? Are they exerting influence on what can and can't be said? Not so much. So if that's happening in the rest of the world, so be it. I look at what's happening in the UK. I look at what's happening in England. I look at what's happening in my children's future. And I can't pin any blame on them at the moment. I'm not saying it's not happening, but it ain't my problem. And I'm the same. I'm not saying I've never put on record once that they're not responsible or they are responsible. I don't know, but a lot of things don't make sense to me.

57:56It doesn't make sense if they're in control of the media, why are they getting such bad press? If they're the ones forcing the migration issue, why are they importing people that want to kill them? All of it just sticks, but it doesn't make sense to me. As we just said, it's probably a little bit of this and a little bit of that. Some of it's probably true. Some of it's probably not true. And you're probably never going to get completely to the bottom of it. You're right. There will be heavy-duty Jews that are pushing migration for their own psychotic reasons. But the whole sort of blanket in, you know, we're both critical of Islam.

58:29I've seen your content. You've seen my guests on here. But we don't blame every Muslim that exists. It's like, no, no, no, no. Again, I was having another chat with somebody elsewhere. It's like, no, I don't dislike Muslims. If anything, I think Muslims are victims of Islam. A lot are, yeah. This isn't a Muslim thing. This isn't an individual thing. This is an idea. This is a concept thing that I don't like because I don't think it's compatible here. Again, that's where they conflate groups with individuals. Like you can completely disagree with Israel and what Israel's done in Gaza and still not have a problem with Jewish people.

59:05You can completely dislike Islam and the theology and ideology of Islam and not have a problem with Muslim people. And people seem to just want to chuck everyone in the same bucket. You can have two thoughts in your head at the same time, but apparently you're not allowed to do that anymore. Yeah, it's bizarre. It's either sort of yes, no, love, hate. It's like, no, come on, there's nuance. Yeah, shades of grey. Yeah, so what about ethno-nationalism? What do you think of ethnot? Are you for remigration? And then I'll ask the final part of that question once I know where you are with those two bits.

59:35I'm not an ethnot. I understand a little bit of where they're coming from, but do I believe that England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Britain should be 100 % white? No, that's bullshit. I don't believe in that at all. I do think there is a concern that our, I suppose, white indigenous population is, I wouldn't say under attack, but demographically is struggling. I think the London population is down to 42, 44 % white. That's pretty bad. Birmingham, I think, is there or thereabouts as well, and it's projected to go lower. And I think that's an issue. But I don't think it's an issue because of the skin colour per se.

1:00:15I think it's an issue because I want to preserve our traditions, our culture, our ethics, our morals. As I've already said, I'm not a God botherer. I don't believe in God. But we are a Christian country. Our laws, our traditions, our culture, our literature, everything is shaped by us being a Christian country. And for most of it, I like it. I'd like to retain it. I'd like to keep it. So you have to have concerns that the more and more people that come in from other countries, from other cultures, from other nationalities, is going to gradually dilute that and it's going to fade away. And so I suppose you could put me slightly in the ethnic camp from that perspective.

1:00:53I want to retain a proportion of whiteness. I want to retain a proportion of English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh culture and our traditions. But I don't think you can necessarily say, well, it must be 99.9%. That doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah, I'm somewhere between Sivnat and ethnic. that, if I'm honest, because I want to preserve the Indigenous. I want our culture to be king. I don't want us to disappear and whittle away and be forgotten about in 100 years' time. Like, I wouldn't want Africa to whittle away and be forgotten about and be replaced by white men, for example. I love the fact that different countries are different.

1:01:31But have you thought about what percentage we'd need or that you'd be happy with? What percentage of Britain should be Indigenous if you were going to work on that theory? I think the projections are, from what I've read, that by 2055, I think it is, or 2060, but there or thereabouts. So in about 30 years' time, we could potentially, by we I mean men that look like you and me, could be the minority. That's not far away. 30 years ain't far away. That's a concern. So in terms of percentage, I don't know. And you do want a mix. It's good to have different cultures. It's good to have different nationalities.

1:02:11And from a numbers point of view, 80, 85%, that's just off the top of my head. I don't know. That would seem a relatively fair balance where you could have a nice, friendly, equitable solution and nation going forward. How you manage that, I don't know. Yeah, because you've gone 80, 85%, you're going to get people in the UK call you a traitor for that. And I'm higher than you. I would like to think Indigenous to be 90%, 85 % at a push. And then we're treading into murky waters where we're on the decline and on the verge of being replaced again. But the 10-15 % of foreign bodies, they've got to be the cream of the crop and they've got to assimilate and contribute.

1:02:58I'm not saying I want the 10-15 % of foreign people from other places to bring their stinking thinking with them, like a lot of them have. It's like, no, no, no. If you don't conform, assimilate and contribute, and there's no exchange of value, I don't want you in the country, but I'm a million miles from remotely resembling a racist. I mean, I have rows with people because I'm not racist. Because I'm not racist, people will consider me a traitor. It's like, hang about. I'm meeting you 90 % of the way. I'm agreeing that 90 % of Britain should be Indigenous, but that's still not good enough for you.

1:03:32And do you know what it makes them sound like? Like a radical leftist. Oh, very similar. I mean, my view on politics... They're going to fucking hate that. They're going to crop that and exit. That's fucking true though, isn't it? Politics is circular, right? So you go round and as the far left and the far right come round and round and round and round and round, the more extreme they get, they merely meet again in the middle. There's a secret paper difference between the extreme radical left and the extreme radical right. They're two cheeks of the same arse. Yeah, totally. Let's talk about the police.

1:03:59Do you trust the police? Sadly, no. Why? I never really have done, even growing up. I know what goes on. That's not, again, it's not about categorising an entire group because there's a load of fantastic policemen and policewomen out there that just want to do their job. I think the problem is, particularly over the last 20 years, that it's no longer a police force, it's a political force. Most of the senior commissioners, superintendents, et cetera, et cetera, are not bobbies that started on as the beat as a PC. They came from university. They went into training courses. They went through political coaching and they're career policemen.

1:04:40They're essentially politicians running a police force. And they seem to have a political agenda. We've seen it. I mean, the two-tier policing now can't even be disputed or argued with. It's an absolute fact. And that's a real shame for the country because I think you need a police force. You need a service that people can trust, can believe in, that do actually go out of their way to solve crimes, that turn up. I got my car nicked about five, six years ago off my drive and they turned up and literally within 18 hours, I got an email saying, oh, we've closed your case down. We don't think we're going to solve this.

1:05:17Within 18 hours, it was done. you think well you've not even investigated you've done nothing about it and I think the lack of trust is a real concern see that infuriates me hearing that story because I know what the police are responding to mercy words yeah Mr Hannum can we have a word with you have you had that yet I haven't I'm not ruling it out though I don't want to tempt fate by saying yet funnily enough I joined because I started to think when this really started to take off a few months ago and I started to get into some tricky conversations online. I joined the free speech union because I know that they defend people for things like that.

1:05:58And I just thought, you know what, I need a little bit of a safety net. So I've paid up and signed up with those guys just in case it comes on top. What's the fee to join that? It's not a lot, 70 quid a year, something like that, I think it is. And what do you get with that? You get regular updates, you get information sent out, you can attend meetings, but they also provide a legal service. So if you get yourself in trouble because of some sort of a free speech issue, like a Lucy Connolly issue or whatever, they will provide legal help for you. That's interesting. It'll be interesting to see what they think about this new, how they've rephrased the whole Islamophobia thing.

1:06:28Yeah. They're very outspoken against it. And do you think Sadiq Khan and Keir Starmer are purposefully trying to Islamise the UK? Well, if Sadiq Khan is, then I would understand that because he's a Muslim, so why wouldn't he? I get that. If Keir Starmer is doing it, I can't get my head around why. I do think there's clearly a push towards Islamising the UK. I mean, we've now got this Islamophobia definition or anti-Muslim hostility, they've called it. They've appointed an anti-Muslim hostility czar. You've got people like Shahid Butt standing for election in Birmingham. He's a convicted Islamic terrorist in the Yemen.

1:07:09Madness. Madness. Madness. You've got, is it 12 councils up north that are now issuing guidance to schools saying you've got to be careful what you allow your kids to draw pictures of in art and what music lessons you have and what dance lessons you have. And funnily enough, one of the main councils leading that is Kirkley's council. And Kirkley's council is also the council where, do you remember the Batley Grammar School where the teacher got drummed out of town? Yes. He's still in hiding. He had to literally leave the area with his family and his kids and he's still in hiding five years later.

1:07:39I have a close associate of his coming on soon. Well, that was Kirkley's council. The same council was now saying, well, you can't draw that picture and you can't listen to that music. So clearly there's a whole Islamic agenda being pushed onto the country. Why? I don't know. Why would you – what do the politicians gain at that? It can only be – it's either fear. It's fear that if they don't, that it's going to kick off in a big way. or if it's not fear, is it just to keep the votes? Is it just to win the votes? Because most of those constituencies that have the biggest Islamic population are Labour constituencies.

1:08:18And do you think Keir Starmer is partial to getting his dick sucked by rent boys? Well, I think that trial was 27th of April, wasn't it? I did a video about it the other day. So we've only got about five weeks to find out. Although my suspicion is you're never going to find out. They're either going to put a denotis on it or they're going to say that for security reasons it's got to be heard behind closed doors or mysteriously the three young male models will suddenly change their plea to guilty and it won't go to trial. There's no way they're going to allow that to come out. But some things just can't remain suppressed, something that big, because the whole thing, how on earth did they know is multiple addresses?

1:08:55Absolutely, yeah. That's insane. Something stinks about it, doesn't it? Three young men that had Instagram profiles of being models, all of a sudden, all from Ukraine, Well, two Ukrainians, one I think is a Romanian of Ukrainian descent, suddenly know the number plate of Keir Starmer's car. They know two of his addresses. I don't know his addresses. If I tried to find out his addresses, I'd get nicked straight away. How have they got that information? What if the viewing galley will be open on the 27th of April? Could you imagine? Should we turn up? Well, I'm surprised the date's been published, if I'm honest.

1:09:25Because, I mean, that's bound to be sworn with press. Yeah, but as I say, whether they'll allow them in, whether it'll be public or not, I wouldn't be at all surprised. if something occurs between now and then, either to push it back, kick it into the long grass, or just stop people attending. Yeah, I look forward to that. Where can people find your work? What are your social media platforms? And I'll put all your links in the description. Yeah, I'm on most of them, to be honest. So I started off on TikTok. That was the one that grew for me, but that's very heavily censored. So I've got to be a little bit careful what you say on there now.

1:09:54But I'm on TikTok, I'm on Facebook, I'm on YouTube, X and Instagram. On most of them, it's at the ordinary guy rant. on X, it's just John Hand 04. But I'm on all of those. Cool. And the final question, I suppose, who do you think we can trust these days? Each other. You've got to put... Listen, I'm a little bit of a jaded cynic. My friend circle is about four or five people. And I went to school with all of them. I've known them for over 40 years. There's about three or four people that I would trust my life with. My brother, my wife, and about three mates. That's it. Everyone else, you place a degree of trust in, but never go all in.

1:10:39Never, ever go all in. Everyone's got an agenda. Even the good guys have got an agenda. Yeah, I noticed the police, the politicians, they weren't on your list. Yeah, no, not at all. Okay. If you've enjoyed this conversation, then like and subscribe to the channel. Please go and follow all of John's platforms. His work is great and it's getting better, may I say. Thank you, mate. Week in, week out. and you're consistent and again, he seeks the truth. So yeah, we'll put his descriptions in here. Subscribe to the channel and I hope you just carry on blowing up and keep fighting for the truth. Thank you for having me on.

1:11:14Cheers, brother. Take care. Take care.