Held at GUNPOINT | Exclusive Interview With Britain's Most Famous Bodyguard: Fred CPO

26:56So I was not prepared for that. Did you ever get revenge? Not me, but various other things have happened to those people that have nothing to do with me. So I haven't done anything to them. I wouldn't know where to start because I only know who one of them is. And I don't know, it's not my world, really. Actually, while I have a few people that are a bit dodgy as friends, I'm not like involved in that sort of thing. That's not where I've never wanted to be a drug dealer or a gangster or anything like that. How did your friend die in the end? He killed himself. And was he a good friend? Yeah, he was a good friend, yeah.

27:26Like, they're not the closest friend they've ever had, but he was a good friend, yeah. So he's only 26. I'm sorry to hear that. And just so you know, you're in good company. I, too, have been stabbed multiple times. Yeah, one sitting eight times. Fucking hell. And also, I cooked my brain with acid when I was very young. Well, actually, it wasn't really me. It was sort of my dad cooking my brain with acid. He would give it to me. So I've had horrendous experiences. And you've done some. You can relate them. Very much so. Well, when I saw that look in your eye and said it's still raw, because I could see you had a slight moment of feeling perturbed.

28:00It's like, oh, I recognise that look, because I know that feeling. And I think acid has got a lot to answer for, and I would put this out there, because I know it's kind of recycled itself, acid, now, and a lot of people are going in to take it. If I can give people one bit of advice, do not go near acid. I mean, I had a great time in my 20s doing acid and mushrooms and DMT and whatever, and it's all fun and games until you're ass smacked. you know when it goes wrong it goes really wrong exactly and you know what I think there's a might be a time and a place where there's a perfectly comfortable situation where nothing bad could ever happen but no one approaches it like that do they so you know you end up like losing your mind in public and all kinds of doing all stupid outrageous things like that it comes from nowhere in waves like you can just get struck with psychosis out of nowhere yeah exactly or you can see like an ugly thing and you know like I remember once I had like a weird bad trip once because I saw a car exhaust and it was like it was a snowy day and because everything was so beautiful and it's like middle of a snowstorm this like ugliness like like it like stuck in my mind like a splinter and just poisoned the whole the whole thing so you put yourself in a very like uh emotionally fragile and receptive space you don't necessarily know how you're going to react however i will say that from these bad experiences that i've had on hallucinogens and good ones i've in a way i managed it let me because no one can torture you harder than you can torture yourself, you know.

29:23So once you've given yourself the worst nightmare, when other people are doing something to you, it doesn't affect you in the same way that it might have done if it was a completely new sort of experience to you. So once you get desensitised to stress through traumatic experiences, they've got their own advantage. I'm not saying go out there and get traumatised on purpose, but some things, stress can make you or break you, you know. Yeah, sadly I agree. And sometimes people that have experienced extreme shock and trauma, it's very hard to relate to somebody that hasn't. And you don't want them to experience that.

29:55But you know you'll probably get on better with that person once they've experienced some real hardship and devastation. It's like we can now see the sadness in each other. We can feel each other's mood. The eyes don't lie. Let's go on to you working the door because that's my past as well. So I've got a security firm. I've worked the door since I was 18. I'd like to know what doors you've worked. And what kind of a doorman you were, because we know there's all sorts of doorman. The stereotypical flat-nosed bruiser on steroids that bullies people, not quite as tough as he thinks may be. Then you get the quiet ones, you get the walkers and the talkers.

30:30What kind of a doorman were you? Well, I used to work in charity fundraising before I did anything like that. So I was convinced people to do stuff for reasons that weren't very good. And, you know, charity mogu is a scam, isn't it, really? But, you know, you don't view it like that when you're young, you should need a job. and so then as I became a doorman it was like I was convincing people to not do stuff so it's similar sort of skills but in reverse so the skills from door-to-door sales and charity fundraising ended up going quite well into being a doorman I think but I used to have nothing but beef with doorman all the time because I used to be in a metal band and go out and go to clubs around the UK and whatever and naturally because of the type of music that it is you'd end up getting in loads of fights with people because you're flailing your arms everywhere and running into people and fights just naturally start.

31:17It's aggressive music, you know. And I'd end up getting in fights with doorman all the time. And then, so I had like a vendetta against every doorman ever. I freaking thought they were all just control freaks and whatever. Then I ended up becoming a doorman weirdly, so I don't know. But yeah, what kind of doorman? I've worked in Manchester mostly. I've worked on Deansgate Locks. I've worked in Wilmslow. I've worked, which is surprisingly violent, in Wilmslow weirdly, even though you wouldn't think so. Is that because there's just nothing else better to do? No, Wilmslow is a weird one because no one that's on a night out there is the hard people that are there.

31:48They're not from there. It's from people that are drug dealers that want to go out and have like a posh night out in Cheshire and Alderley Edge in Wilmslow. And they want to fucking act like they're, you know, they've got loads of money and the rest of it. So you end up with teams of different lads coming to a neutral sort of ground with no connection to the area. So they're not bothered about like, you know, let's say if you were kicking off in your hometown every weekend, the people that you know would see you, you'd eventually be on Pub Watch and then, you know, it would become, it'd make your life hard for you because you're starting, you know, drama around where you live all the time.

32:17But if you're coming with a group of lads to somewhere neutral and the other people are coming to somewhere neutral with their own group of lads, you end up with these like mass brawls really of a bit of like posh rugby players versus drug dealers versus, you know, that sort of thing. So Wilmslow was a surprisingly violent sort of place even though you wouldn't think it would be. Any situations that made you think, fuck. I've been in a load of mass brawls before, but to be honest with you. You're comfy in them I just enjoy it I just I like when people argue with me And people fight with me I don't I don't view it as like It's not a bravery thing I just happen to enjoy it It's like I don't know why that is I should I should probably feel Scared or whatever But like When you're used to it You just view it as like A normal eating Sleeping Going to bed Having a shit And having a fight Sort of thing It's just like a natural Just like a dog Wouldn't think twice about Just ripping up another dog Because it's just what they do It's just like a normal part Of being a human I think Were you Were you hands on Or was you Or did you diffuse things with your words because you're good at both.

33:11Every doorman has been pushed to his limit to a certain level and most of the stuff that people do that's bad, unless you've got like a drug problem, it happens when you first start and you don't know how to take people giving you shit. But then after a while, I mean, the amount of people that have told me they're going to shoot me and they're going to stab me and they're coming back with all their friends and they're going to do this, whatever. After you've heard that for the 500th time, it stops like really bothering you in that way. So then you're just able to say, listen, just go on me, I'm not arsed.

33:37Yeah, that's true. When I think of all my wildest reactions to a situation, it was definitely in the earlier years. I thought that was because I was getting old and I thought I could do without this. But it's probably because you just learn to manage situations better when the threats become just noise. The other situation would be like I used to work the doors and I'd work three or four nights a week or three nights a week maybe. And then I'd get by doing this and that, you know. but a lot of people work security through the daytime and then they go and work the doors on the weekend as well and a lot of people they work so much they're having like kips at lunchtime and by the time they've actually got to Friday, Saturday they're really tired, they've had it up to here and the tiniest little thing will set them off and they've not had the time to sleep properly or get out of the system so you end up with people losing their minds because people work night shifts consistently for that long and obviously the more tired you are, the less tolerance for bullshit you've got.

34:36So I had that advantage as well. I wasn't like working in Tesco, I was dealing with shoplifters all day, every day. I just worked the doors for a bit of fun on the weekend. You know what? I worked it mainly because I love it. I just like working as a doorman. I just like it. It's the only job you can sort of be a man left in this world, you know, where you can like, you're pretty much working with entirely men and everyone shakes you around. And everybody wants to broadly show you a degree of respect because otherwise they're not going to be able to, you know, get into the club in the first place, you know.

35:07And so you've got a degree of social status, at least within your town anyway. People have to defer to you. And, you know, most men don't get that from their job at all. Even on a construction site or in an office or whatever, most men don't get any degree of authority, don't get any degree of respect. They just go to their shit job, go to the gym, go and see the bird, and that's it. Most people have got, like, maybe one or two friends and don't even, like, see the friends, whereas you're working as a doorman and suddenly you're friends with the whole town. So it's a pretty healthy job, I think, for a young man to do.

35:37Yeah, I agree. It's a good environment. It's a good community because you have to build each other up because their confidence and ability will affect your own safety. So you have to invest in other people. And this is another thing sort of within society and culture. I really think that men need to stop. Competition's healthy, but I think more important, and we need to start building each other up. A little compliment here and there goes a long way. You see someone suffering, are you all good? Let's have a chat. I think men need to start building each other up because one day we're going to need each other.

36:08Well, you rely on that. If you don't back your mate up, you're not going to be working there in the future. I've had people there before, you radio them, and they'd look at you and then just face the face, look over there, pretend like it's not happening. So if you do that, you're not going to last very long on the doors. And so you rely on your friends. You suffer together. You see each other potentially get beaten up occasionally or go through tribulations or whatever. So you end up becoming bonded together, basically, I'd say. Yeah, I'm glad I'm talking to somebody that appreciates the whole sort of Dorman community because Dorman haven't got the best of reputations.

36:44No. They hear a few horror stories and just assume that every Dorman's a wanker. And some are, obviously, like in every walk of life, but on a whole... The best people are wankers. The best people are dicks. Give me some context to that. Donald Trump, you know, he's a dick, but he's awesome, isn't he? Like, you know, they're honest sort of people and they're prepared to say whatever they need to do. Being a man, you're sort of a bit of a dick. It's not like you can't kiss everybody's ass all the time, can you? Yeah, Donald Trump's been described as a spoilt teenager. And then when somebody said that, I think Jordan Peterson agreed and said, well, that's a great thing.

37:14Yeah. Well, you know, all the most entertaining people that you can think of in your life, they're not like kiss asses or, you know, I'm sure they've annoyed people and offended people. If you've not offended people, if you've not made some enemies in your life, like, what have you done? Have you made many enemies? I've got one enemy, yeah. I've had people trying to remove me from jobs and get me fired and get me cancelled from my gym and banned from my gym and ringing up my gym saying they're going to burn it down if I don't get banned and all kinds of stuff like that. You know, weird people like that.

37:41Is that because of the street activism? Because of this, yeah, recently. But I had a picture with Tommy Robinson when I was, it must have been about 2014 or something, when he was doing the rallies with the panodrama. Oh, yes. Yeah, so he was going around Manchester. So we went to his Panadrama one on Salford Keys and then I had a picture with him on his Salford thing outside Manchester Wrestling Club and then that picture got around to the people in the metal community, metal and hardcore community and this internet communist guy that I've got like a super huge beef with tries to, he got me fired from various jobs before he started an internet smear campaign and got me removed from my band and all that type of stuff and got me cancelled.

38:26So, yeah, I've had that sort of thing for a bit. So the band didn't stand up for you? The thing is with metal, right, is you think, oh, it's so offensive and the noise is like... It's aggressive, isn't it? It's aggressive music and if you look at the way people dance, they're spin kicking each other in the head and jumping all over each other and doing all horrendous stuff to each other and all the songs are like, especially in death metal, you'll have like uh waking the cadavers got a song called chase through the woods by a rapist you know or that all the all the all the horrible details like the horror genre of of uh of music you know but then when you deal with the actual people they're like oh no you can't say that oh no actually you have to have this right opinion you can't have that sort of opinion it's all very left-wing even though it's supposed to be the most offensive like you know it's supposed to be the most politically incorrect genre that you could possibly have and uh but unfortunately it actually is completely taken over by weird Antifa lefties.

39:19So they dictate the pace for and dictate the tone for what's acceptable in that type of music. So they had to distance themselves from me. That is so interesting to think that death metal isn't as outrageous and raw as you think. It's actually woke. Yeah. Woke metal. The average metal fan is broadly apolitical. You know, you listen to Metallica and all that type of stuff. But within underground, hardcore and metal or whatever, it's supposed to be like anti-establishment. And for some reason, people think it's anti-establishment to hold all the same views as Pfizer and Microsoft. So, you know, that's what, it's a 2 plus 2 equals 5.

39:55It doesn't have to make sense. Quick question before we veer off to something different, and then we're going to go back to the street work. Guns N' Roses or Iron Maiden? Iron Maiden. Oh, that's a difficult one. It's a tough one. Iron Maiden's got a greater back catalogue with more good songs, but Guns N' Roses have got certain songs which are of a much, much higher quality than all the stuff. Anthems. Anthems, exactly. So I'd say broadly Iron Maiden's got a bigger catalogue of songs that I really, really like, but lots of filler as well, whereas Guns N' Roses have got a few, but they've not really been very active, have they passed a certain point?

40:30So they've got, you know, Welcome to the Jungle and that type of stuff, which just like hits you hard. And do you know what? I apologise for asking you that question because I wouldn't want to be asked that question. That's a fucking tough one. Yeah. I'd say, do you mind? Yeah. I'd rather not be asked that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Just tell me briefly, and my audience, because it's fascinating, your background, your mum and your dad, the sides of the family, the different ends of the spectrum. In the comments on various Charlie Veach videos, they talk about, oh, he's from South Africa and whatever.

41:05Well, my mum's family are from South Africa, but my granddad on my mum's side was in the Merchant Navy. and he was from Belfast. And during the Second World War, he was a captain in the merchant navy and was in charge of taking things from America to Britain while the Nazis were trying to torpedo people in the Atlantic Ocean. And then after the Second World War, he moved to South Africa and became a citizen of the Republic of South Africa, which is obviously a creation of the British and the Dutch together after two wars. And then he married an Irish woman in South Africa. So we're all Irish people, really, from South Africa.

41:39and then my mum and my other rest of my family, they moved here and worked in London. My mum worked as an au pair for my elder brothers, basically. And so my dad was just quite a well-off guy and, you know, he just slung up the help, didn't he? That's what he did. He thought, well, there you go. And my mum was just, my mum, I'm not asked anyway because I can say what I like because we don't get on very well. But my mum just said, well, I'll just baby trap a millionaire. and that's what she did. So that's fine. But she's totally honest about it. And that's how it was. They were never together or anything like that.

42:14So I've got, I lived on council estates. My mum was a prison officer. And so she had a working class job. I was living behind Holloway Prison when it was still there. I've lived in Archway, Kentish Town. I've lived on rough estates in Manchester, but my dad's also from a more well-to-do background. So I've experienced, really, I have experienced both sort of worlds of like the haves and the have-nots but at the same time it's a really unique experience i think so well that is a unique experience to think that you've been part of the the yachts and the have-nots is maybe not a yacht but you know that reasonably well yeah exactly yeah yeah because you i'm sure i investigated deep enough to know that your dad wouldn't struggle to find his rent oh right yeah no well he he um he worked as a as a banker uh and he i'm pretty sure he did some other type of job that I won't really go into, but I can't prove it anyway.

43:08So it's pointless me talking about it. But he's had a very international background and he's grown up around the world and he speaks Arabic and French and German to a reasonable degree and that sort of thing. So I've grown up around him showing me how to be a certain way. And I've also grown up on council states getting stabbed off people. So it's a big mix. You're a very interesting guy. And you went to boarding school? Yeah, I've been kicked out of every school that I've ever been to. So I got expelled from boarding school but I was I went to school in Hampstead in London and then I've been to I've been to state schools as well and I've been expelled from them and I got expelled from boarding school when I was about 11 12 but people think a boarding school is like oh really really posh but a lot of people like are in boarding school because the military will pay or the you know if you're if you're if your parents are of a certain rank and stationed abroad or certain people who are who've got like reasonably well-off jobs will spend a third of their income, you know, getting their child the right education.

44:04And that doesn't mean that they're really, really rich or anything like that. Do you know what I mean? So I wasn't like at the most prestigious boarding school ever. But after I was expelled. What for? I threatened to kill my headmaster's wife because she used to come like, when in boarding school, you don't realize how, some people get on with it all right, but the people that you don't like, you can't get away from, you know? So like, you know, the teacher that you don't like, that you don't get on with, it doesn't like you back. Well, when school's over, he's still there, you know? So I used to cry every day at boarding school.

44:31I used to hate it. I mean, the education I received was much better, obviously, than what a state school could provide. And I'm thankful for that. There's definitely different advantages that I got from that. But she used to come to me and say, oh, yeah, your parents don't love you, and that's why they sent you here. And, you know, you don't want it by anyone. It's psychological abuse by teachers and stuff, you know. So it's quite a cruel environment. There were some great people there as well. But it's the point of you can't go back home and have a space to yourself. So you're in a space as a child vulnerable.

45:00to, you know, you've got to live with this, like, with a dormitory full of other guys, you know, so it's different, yeah. Are you glad you didn't kill her? Well, I mean, I was only, like, 11, so, but I was reasonably committed to doing so when I was there. But, yeah, of course, of course, I wouldn't, I don't endorse killing people, of course not, no. But, yeah, so after that I went to a pupil referral unit in Oldham because my sister, my dad wanted to get, My mum wanted to get pregnant at like 39, 40 And she thought this is the last chance of getting pregnant So she got pregnant off this guy who was in the BMP And got kicked out of the prison service And he said he had this house in Oldham So we could live rent free in Oldham And so we lived there for about a year or so And then he kicked us out So we were just stuck up in Oldham Moving up from London And yeah so that's how we ended up up there basically But I ended up in a pupil referral unit Which is called a PRU in Oldham What is that exactly?

45:52That's when you get kicked out And when they're going to find another school for you My mum was just like no he's not gonna hack it in normal school just keep him there so i ended up getting like four gcse's you turn up at 10 o 'clock in the in the in the morning and then finish at half two and he's like you know the xbox is a break time and it's just uh to keep you keep you quiet basically as a problem child so i was just friends all the teachers so it's fine and where do you stand politically what's your political ideology that's a complicated one with your background you could have gone any direction couldn't you what was the uh what was the one that pulled you in the most Well I think you know like there's an old adage which is that if you're young and left-wing you don't have a heart and if you're old and you're not right-wing you don't have a brain so um obviously when you're when you're younger you're attracted to uh to ideologies which give you stuff for free and make everything fair because you're in a shit position in the first place and you can't hope to compete with the men that are out there so you want to you want to like level the playing field and you you put it under the guise of um I want equality and love for everyone but what you really mean is I want what's best for me you know I think that's attractive to all young people but I was fortunate to have uh my dad who has got his political views were different than as they are now but I even had a teacher uh called Mandy and she used to come in and she used to tell me about the fluoride in the water when I was on you know when I was on break time and stuff and she told me about uh about Alex Jones and InfoWars and all kinds of stuff she even gave me a 9-11 was an inside job bracelet which I still maintain by the way unlike Charlie Beach we disagree on 9-11 but but yeah so when I even when I was like 12 13 I was a I was a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist even then so I'm steeped in it yeah but my political ideology it it varies really I think the political ideology varies depending on the situation that you're in so I think like if you look at the aftermath of World War One it was a extremely tough time for Germany and it produced an extreme political solution.

47:49And so it's like now we're having a nice chat, but someone comes in waving a knife around, and all of a sudden it shuts off and we're going into extreme mode. And I think the extreme circumstances breed extreme political ideologies. And how you avoid massive worldwide conflicts and cataclysms is by giving people the normal things, which is like a normal safe country without crazy levels of immigration, et cetera. And you stop these problems before they become really, really extreme solutions, before we decide to go Yugoslavia mode or break down in the Soviet Union or that type of thing. Before that happens, if you just give people the basic normal country type experience, then we don't have to go there.

48:29And can you see any patterns from past historical events that are sort of rehashing themselves in the UK? What sort of a state do you think the UK is in now? And do you think it's salvageable? I think it could be salvageable. We could salvage it right now if we chose to. Do I think that's likely to happen? No, because we're not organized enough to make it happen. And just looking at the trends in the past 20th century, there's been extreme violence constantly. You know, Thomas Jefferson, he said, peace is the brief moment in time when everyone stands around reloading, you know. So I think a parallel we could draw is like Yugoslavia, you know.

49:07And Yugoslavia had, when Tito was in charge, they were operating as one giant state. and then as soon as it became uncomfortable and the power structure broke down, then it became the Serbians and the Croatians and the Bosnians and the Albanians and the Herzegovians and all the different groups decided to split up for their particular individual groups. And you have to accept that's a part of how the human animal evolves. People are prepared to fight over football teams, you know? So if people are prepared to fight over football teams, right, and people are prepared to fight over what kind of Christian you are, whether you're a Protestant or a Catholic, Like, how do you think it's going to go when you've got 20 different ethnicities with, like, what you've got Hindus, which are pagans versus Sunni Muslims, extreme Wahhabi Salafist Muslims, you know, living next to Ethiopian Christians, next to the Jews.

49:56So you've got everybody with all the different ways of being and force them into a situation. And then as soon as the benefits runs out, you know, what do you expect is going to happen? Everybody goes to what they're used to. You know, like, have you got children? Okay, so, you know, like, I use this analogy a lot. So I've got a child, and if someone forced me to say, my child lives or your child lives, as much as I don't want anything bad to happen to your child, I'll always choose my own child, because that's just your own self-preservation instinct. You'll choose your family over someone else's family, and you'll choose your community over someone else's community, and you'll choose your town over someone else's town.

50:30And on a base level, you choose your race over someone else's race when you're forced to. And so the best thing to do is to accept that people like to live in their own separate ways and give them the space in which to do so. And then you're allowed to be friends with each other. But when you force people together, you're going to end up inevitably with inter-ethnic conflict. And that's just demonstrated time and time again. Look at the fall of Iraq. Iraq's got the exact same thing. They forced everybody to live, Sunnis and the Shias and the Druze and the Iranians and the Azeris and the Kurds, also live in one big fake country.

51:03Like Syria's got a big artificial line drawn down it, like with the Saxe-Picot agreement, where Britain and France divided the whole Middle East up. And the reason why the Middle East is so mashed up is because they've forced people to either not have a state or people to live within their enemy state. So you have like the Turkish-Armenian genocide or you have the, you know, because these are all the... Basically, any time one gang starts encroaching too far on someone else's gang, you end up with violence. And so the only way that you can have peace is when you have a reasonable amount of space for a group to live in its own way.

51:37then you can decide to be friendly.

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52:45Exactly. In the 90s, we had loads of immigrants, right, but in a reasonable amount of numbers, and you can partake in their cultural traditions and you go back to your own. You can still go, most people that are walking down the street are English and are like me, but occasionally I can go for a curry or I can go and interact with these people or interact with those people in this community. and that's a bit of fun. But then when it becomes everyone, when you're walking around in your hometown, is now from North Africa or from wherever else, it's like you're deracinated from where you live and you're removed from your own community and you wonder why people are losing their minds and having mental health crises.

53:21You know, people are meant to live in groups and we're just demolishing them, breaking down all the barriers that were previously kept us together for thousands of years. Cool, you took me right back to the 90s there and it made me very nostalgic as well, but it made me think now we're living in lawless society. Nobody respects each other. Nobody cares anymore. And no one's really managing their own communities properly. It's each man for himself. It's just going in such the wrong direction. And you think it's only a couple of decades ago in the 90s where there was mutual respect. Communities policed themselves.

53:50There was a hierarchy on the streets as well. You know, you could go to, for example, a traveller's wedding or you'd get a group of travellers come in the venue and you'd study the hierarchy and you'd go to the top man and you'd say, do me a favour. can you please keep your lot in check? You'd get on well of him, you'd show him respect, you'd get it back in return, you'd have no problems because there was a hierarchy and there was respect for other people. Now, I don't see that anymore. I don't know what you think about the 90s, but I think the 90s wasn't a bad era at all. No, we decided to fall down the stairs on purpose, I think.

54:23And I'm not saying it's perfect. There was no perfect time in the past, the 50s or the 40s or the 60s, we were not perfect times, but we had like a fork in the road. We chose to go down one road. We're never going back. so we could choose to either make it worse or make it make it better you know so all i'm advocating for is a is a return to like normality i'm not saying we have to have like an ethno state for everyone everybody has to be locked into they can only be over here etc but yeah you broadly have to let people be live in their own ways in in in their own place that's just normal just like you have your house and i have my house and we could be friends then because i can go over to your house and i can go home that's fine you know it's totally fine when i was in i was in bournemouth that DJ media and there's a language school there for Kuwaitis and Saudis and whatever and the difference was at night and day you meet these young Saudi kids and they were like yeah how's it going yeah we're here on holiday to go and learn English and then we're going to go home and they were like yeah it's great and there's no problem when you meet people in Piccadilly Gardens they're like I'm here to rule you and you have to do what I say and Islam is going to be the one that dominates the UK and whatever But it's a night and day difference.

55:31And, you know, I think we're really not getting the best of these places. You know, they're sending out their criminals over here for it to be our problem. You said fall down the stairs on purpose. Do you think the erosion of the UK has been done by design? I can't understand what aim it achieves other than if you want to provoke some kind of serious, serious conflict and then have a reason to, you know, problem reaction solution it so that there's a massive giant national emergency and then people respond to it with like, we need law and order. And then the law and order comes in and it's like this new overarching 1984 type system that we've, instead of having it imposed on us, we've like begged for it.

56:14So it becomes like a thing that we've done to ourselves. That's a possibility, but I don't know if that's really what it is or not. I mean, it can't be because they need workers because these people are just not working, are they? We're bringing them over here to sit around and smoke cigarettes outside hotels. Here's another thing that needs to be addressed, and I don't see it being spoken about enough. So we've got illegal migrants in the UK. No paperwork. We know that. That drum's been beaten a million and one times. We've got people on the outside, rogue tradesmen, for example, tapping up the illegal migrants, knowing that they've got their food and roof all paid for, and then they're paying them cash, half the day rate of what they pay somebody else that contributes towards society and pays their tax.

56:56I mean,£50 a day for an illegal migrant labourer is colossal amounts of money. And the people that are doing that... Especially when you send it home. Yeah, they need to check themselves because you're part of the problem. You really are not helping the situation at all. And when you think there's going to be a percentage of those people that are in the country that we don't know about are going to be very, very dangerous, imagine if something was to happen to your daughter. and you're contributing towards the problem because you're using them as cheap labour, that's got to stop. Yeah, definitely.

57:27These people are, you can tell that we're not bringing over the brightest and the best because when you talk to them, a lot of them gloat about how much money they're going to get. Sit and talk it. That's what I'm saying. If I turned up in someone else's country, I'd be like, shh, don't say anything or they're going to stop all the money. You know, I'd be like, let's act as best as possible so that these people can keep me here for as long as possible and finance my free lifestyle without pissing everybody off. But instead they're like, ha ha ha, yeah, yeah, look at my free shit that I've got.

57:52Fuck you, England. You know, that's what these people are like. So we're definitely not getting the best, are we? And the fact that we're so weak is fueling their arrogance. It's like the world's watching and we're a fucking joke. Just taking it back to street level, because you used the word organised and it flicked a switch. So you see right and left protesters, counter-protesters, street level at least, as unwell, and I truly believe that street level leftism, liberalism is a state of mental health. It's kind of a crisis. But what I've observed is they're organised. Yeah. Am I right or have I misread that?

58:31No, you're right. They've all got the same signs, haven't they? They've all got the same uniform signs. Most people, it's like, you know, when you go to watch pro wrestling, you'd be like, you know, fuck The Rock or whatever, or Austin 316. You write your own signs out because you passionately believe about whatever it is that you're going to sign. Most people who are interested in protesting might make their own sign but then to all have the same signs bust in it's all the same people in the same locations so but to the casual observer it looks like there's a decent left-wing community in every town but in reality they're always the loudest minority so um yeah they're completely they're completely organized organized for the purpose of disrupting uh our movement really they're just that's that's where they have the advantage is that there is like they're an organized minority and they've got the flexibility to be everywhere and go everywhere whereas ordinary people they've got jobs to do and kids to take care of etc these these lefties they don't have kids you know they don't have responsibilities they're all about themselves they're all individualistic but um you know so that's why they're free to go and be at every protest around the country so yeah shouting loud to make themselves feel important because really they're not important they've got nothing to conserve and they've got nothing they've got no one that looks up to them i always think to myself make the right decision do the right thing because someone somewhere is looking at you for guidance and i just don't feel like those lefties behave in that manner.

59:46Yeah, it's a power play. It's a power play. They get to feel important and feel moral by doing it. People talk about Palestine. It's tragic what's happened to various innocent civilians all over the world who get caught up in all this type of stuff, but you realise that these people, it could be any flag that they care about. It could be any cause that's like, you know, they could substitute in, it could be anyone else's flag. They're not really bothered about that. They're there to make themselves feel good and to give you shit, basically. That's what they're there for, to make the hotels feel good.

1:00:17Let me bring it back to your street activism stroke security work that you do for Charlie and other people. Because I can see that the deeper you get into security in the street movement, I can see you becoming an activist yourself. And it's going to be very interesting to watch how you progress from here. I'll certainly be keeping an eye on you. And I bet people watching up till now will be following suit. So when you're in Piccadilly Gardens, for example, couple of things I want to ask. Do you ever feel sorry for the down and outs that you see? And also, what's the most common threat that you look out for?

1:00:51It's hard to feel sorry for people that on purpose move towards you and try and give you shit. So when you're coming towards me, trying to command me to not do this, or trying to attack someone, I don't really have much empathy for you then at that point. There's plenty of people that are suffering and they just get on with their suffering and I empathise with them completely. but most of these people you know they've they could go and do their drugs somewhere else in private and and and not make it anyone else's problem but they choose to go out into the busiest place possible and act in an antisocial antisocial sort of way so if you're if you're depressed and on drugs and you're having a terrible time that's that's not good but why why do you have to make it everyone else's problem yes where's the accountability at that point now everybody knows it's wrong to do certain things you know so you can feel bad and you can be addicted to drugs you could be a mess but to go out and start shouting at people and and uh throwing things at us and trying to steal and you know just generally behaving like a nuisance in town is like where does that come from yeah i suppose at my lowest point in life i never thought it was okay to throw bottles at people and bricks and stuff like that and obviously and start carrying blades and waving them about because i've seen i've seen all kinds of madness with uh with what you do and what you've got to contend with.

1:02:06That place, like, sort of beside the river or beside the stream or whatever it is, where people actually go to meet other men and just randomly sleep with each other. Cottage in Cove or something? Cottage's Cove, yeah. Cottage's Cove. That's the dogging spot, yeah. That's an actual thing. Yeah, yeah. That really happens. I saw a video the other day of a guy with four other gentlemen who was just taking turns to polish them all off, you know. My mate went down there with a GoPro and just sit and having a go at it. You know, that's just what the casual... I was with Dan from DJ Media and we saw a guy and he had a giant poo smear like across his shirt.

1:02:46You know, I mean, use your imagination as to how that got there. They're never like super in shape gay guys. They're always like horrendous, horrible personal hygiene sort of... Hiking whatever they can. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think part of it is how horrible it is is what turns them on, how ashamed they are of themselves. gives them a kick, I think. Wow. I mean, where are the police in Manchester? How on earth is that being allowed to take place? They're just not bothered. I've never seen the police down there one time, really. Never seen the police down there. The police do turn up, and I'll say the British police are much better than the German police.

1:03:18You know, if you die or have a serious accident on the street in Britain, an ambulance will at very least turn up for you. Whereas in Frankfurt, I was watching people ODing on the floor, needles sticking out their arms, rocking back and forward, frothing out of the mouth, borderline about to cop it. And the police just drive by and ask you why you're filming. You've been out in Germany doing security for... Kurt Kass, yeah, for Kurt Kass. And how did you find that over there? Is it more volatile in Germany or the UK? We are bad. They're even worse than us. Yeah. The mindset in Britain, you know, because of the Magna Carta and the way our history is, is we sort of have a sense that every man is broadly allowed to do and say what he wants on some level and not be bothered by someone else.

1:04:03Obviously, there's exceptions to that. In Germany and France and other places like that, in Europe, people think they have the right to come to you and start telling you what to do, like they're in charge of you. So you could be filming something completely unrelated. Someone comes to you from over here and be like, no camera, you cannot. It's a much more authoritarian sort of place. Frankfurt's completely controlled by the Albanian mafia. Is it really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they've got streets on there. like it's weird because you've got Patrick Bateman types that are walking around being like returning videotapes and whatever you know in the financial district and then you've got streets where they just let them smoke crack on purpose on like you know our crackheads right they'll go and they'll go in an alcove or under a bridge and like do the drugs somewhere where they can like pass out and whatever whereas on in Frankfurt people just do it on the street walking around smoking crack like smoking a cigarette Again you've just mentioned American Psycho so I'm going to ask you another question sort of off topic Okay Hip to be square Or studio What's your favourite song Hip to be square And I apologise for asking you that question Because I wouldn't want to be asked that That's another Do you mind That's personal No I love that movie But yeah Hip to be square I enjoy that song more There you go You've heard it here first Yeah yeah yeah Hip to be square Fred is a Huey Lewis and the News fan Yeah That's what I'm like I'm like Patrick Rape I'm like why don't you get a job And just stamp him out And stab the dog What a film that is That's coming next to the Charlie Veatch channel.

1:05:29We're going to take it up a notch. From what you see out and about, because you're going to see a hell of a lot more than someone that's just sitting here watching YouTube, enjoying this content. What's coming our way? What should we prepare for? What do you feel in the air? In this country? Yeah. Civil unrest? I think it'll start in Ireland, personally, because Ireland's got the history of being bullied a bit by us and they've got the recent memory of fighting with us, and against the IRA versus the UVF and whatever. So they've got a recent history about it and they don't have to feel sorry for themselves because the British Empire were history's winners for such a time.

1:06:08And then now, even though we defeated the Nazis, we're supposed to feel guilt for all these things that other nations and empires have just done as standard throughout all of human history, whether it's the Romans or Genghis Khan or whatever. And so we've got this complex where we have to feel bad about being successful and apologize for who we are and, you know, defer to, oh, well, we're really sorry that like, we're responsible for all the, all the ills of the world, you know, whereas the Irish don't have to feel that way. And similarly, when I went to Liverpool, the Scousers don't have to feel that way either, because the Scousers, while they felt a bit separate from the English and had their own little separate identity, they don't have to apologize for being who they are, you know.

1:06:47So I feel, I think the fight back will come from places like Ireland, really, where it actually start becoming physical, you know, physical and violent if it's going to. So I hope it doesn't get to that point. I hope we can, through legislation, send all these people home that need to go home, legal and illegal. But I don't think reform are going to do that. Why haven't you got faith in reform? Because they're just getting people in from the old Conservative Party. And like with Donald Trump, he could unite the right around everyone's on the same level of being an American, you know. and so people moved there to get away from the English class system whereas here we've got working class and middle class and upper class and ironically the working class and the upper class have got more in common with each other than the middle class do because all the middle class don't want to appear to be associated with Tommy Robinsons or anything like that and so like Nigel Farage and Reform they have to play the game of trying to appear respectable because they're still stuck in this idea that they've got to appease BBC News and Channel 4 News and be like, I'm not a racist or whatever.

1:07:49It's like, well, then you're playing their game, you're apologising for whatever. You should just say what you want to say and do what you want to do, and people will respect that, but they can't afford to... So they're just turning away people that would naturally support them, all the working class people. I was at the Tommy Rally before he got sent back to prison for airing that documentary, and he said there, it was with Carl Benjamin, and he said, who here voted reform? And the whole crowd was like, we did, yeah, you know. And that's who reform want to turn away from them, you know, in order to have political success.

1:08:22It's just, it's a non-starter, really. I was on that stage when Tommy endorsed reform. He didn't have to do it. There was 100 ,000 people there. And then at the first opportunity, Nigel slammed, lambasted Tommy. He even teased. Richard Tice as well. Oh, that lot. I'll never forgive him for that. It's like, we are that lot. The people that are protesting outside the migrant. The people that are protesting outside Epping that got that hotel closed down where the migrants were raping children, they're that lot. Well, Tommy's trying to be magnanimous there and say, well, there's divisions within what you think and what I think and what your solutions would be and my solutions would be.

1:08:59Bigger picture. He's thinking bigger picture. We've got to deal with the threat. Like one of my coaches, Andy Devent, right, when he's teaching me wrestling and jiu-jitsu, he says, you have to deal with the biggest problem first. So you can say about your position when someone's on your back and whatever. But if the hands are around your throat, the first thing you deal with is the hands that are around your throat, you know. So you can argue about ideology until the cows come home later on after we've made our country broadly safe and, you know, restored law and order, you know. And they're too busy doing a purity spiral.

1:09:30It's like they don't want to be associated with someone who's got a fucking working class accent. And it's just like, how are we going to get anywhere doing that? No, we need to pull together. National pride needs to be restored. I say this all the time. And I don't think politics is the answer. I think community and culture is the answer. If we work on that, maybe the politicians will listen. Jonathan Bowden, he said that the only true socialism is patriotism because it binds people together in spite of their difference. So we can all feel, in spite of our economic circumstances and our little cultural, like, oh, I dress this way, you dress that way, I say, I pronounce my T's, I don't pronounce my T's, We can all be bound together because of our common ethnicity and shared history, you know.

1:10:13And that's got to be, that's got to be, that's not right wing or left wing. That's like my family, you know. We need to put our family first. We need to do what's right for our family first. And then we can do right by other people. And it's when you talk like that, it seems so self-explanatory and simple. Work on your relationships, then work on your family, then work on your community and just watch it have a ripple effect. Yeah. And everything will be cream cheese. but far too much conflict and division out there. Before I ask you my final question, I'll tell you what, the one before the final question, will you come back this time next year for a part two and we can document your progress from here till then?

1:10:47Of course. Perfect. Now, before I ask the final question, where can people find you? Fred underscore CPO on X slash Twitter. Fred underscore CPO on Instagram. I will be doing a YouTube channel and I will be doing a TikTok. I've got some friends to help me do that sort of thing. because I have to learn about how to make videos and edit videos, and I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I know about slapping people. That's what I know about. So slapping people and arguing with people. And you slapped them well, sir. Yeah, yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you. And you kicked them in the liver well, sir.

1:11:18Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, so that's where you can find me. In the future, it will be some derivative of Fred's CPO, unless we decide to change it in the future. But you'll hear all about it. I'll still be on the Charlie Veach channel, DJ Media. I'll still be on Kurt Kaz. I'm available to work with other YouTubers as well, if you need protection. Kurt Kaz has been all over the world to Pakistan and the Middle East and South America. And he didn't need anyone to come with him until he went to Western Europe. That's shocking. That is shocking. Because we've got the most antisocial people there.

1:11:48You know, if you go to people, we've got to the Middle East and you pull a camera out. People are like, hello. How's it going? Hey, look, I'm on TV, mom. You know, that's people. People are like normal people, like a smile and wave or move away from the camera. We've got a lot of people who feel entitled enough to come and interfere in your business, steal your stuff and attack you for saying something or doing something they don't like on the street. That reminded me of Willy Wonka when the little kid gets shrunk and he's in the TV and he says, look, I'm in the TV. Here we go, another question off topic.

1:12:16Willy Wonka or the never-ending story? Never-ending story, definitely. I try you. Fail for. See, we've slipped some stuff in there that's humanised us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not horrible right-wing people. I'm a lizard. Yeah, lizard people. So the final question is, what is your final message to the masses? I would say if you're a bit nerdy, into politics, into philosophy, you need to work on your physical attributes and your courage. And if you're a bit of a geezer and you're a bit annoyed about the situation, but you don't know what's going on, you need to educate yourself about your own culture.

1:12:58and that's a revolutionary act is to look at yourself in the mirror and think, learn about who you are and where you come from. Don't just be all about having an Audi RS3 on finance and having to go in Turkey to get your teeth done or get a hair transplant or who's playing on football. I don't even watch football, so I don't even know how to say that properly. You've got to become a fusion. You've got to become the cultured thug. You have to put the mind and the fist together and use your knowledge and then apply. It's like Bruce Lee said, you know, knowing is not enough, you've got to apply. But then on the same level, if you're just applying and you've got no knowledge, it's useless, isn't it?

1:13:36I think it was Aristotle or one or some other Greek philosopher, some dude etched in marble with a beard. And he says the society that separates its warriors from its scholars will have its fighting done by fools and its thinking done by cowards. So you need to become both educated and tough. I tell you what, that is a phenomenal final message to the masses. And I was so tempted to interrupt and say we use emotional content. But I didn't. I held back because it was too good to answer. If you enjoyed watching Fred and you like these kind of conversations, you know them well. You're not going to get them on the mainstream media.

1:14:15Please remember to like and subscribe to the channel. It takes two seconds and it costs zero. I'm going to put Fred's links in the description so you can go and follow him and his journey. and I certainly will until the next time you've committed to a part two I'll look forward to that and a part three and a part three we'll just keep going and going and going there's more films and songs that we haven't covered yet and we will do in the future but until then I'll be following you and good elf top on thank you sir cheers mate alright

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