Inside Broadmoor: Psychopathic Traits & 10 Years of Brutality

33:28So you're on the precipice of the psychopath? I've done the hair test, and I've done the first part of the hair test, which has come back at 18, 18 points. The hair test? I'm thinking you and me would struggle with that, wouldn't we? Yeah, the hair test is what's brought in. You don't do it. The team does it. Okay, they assess you. They assess what they think and they give a certain, say, for instance, manipulation. What's Paul's like manipulating other people? Well, let's think about the time when he manipulated Dave to do this, to do that, to do this. We give him five points for that. Right.

34:06And you're not in the room. They're doing it based on your history of your daily notes and what's he like mixing with blah, blah, blah? He don't like them. He's made his point quite well known and he don't like these type of people. Like nonces, no one likes a nonce. And I would go out of my way to try and... I had gone out of my way to take it upon myself to do justice to them. Everyone likes a good story where a nonce gets dealt with prison justice. Well, one of them slipped in the shower. He did actually slip in the shower, cracked his head and died. But he raped a seven-year-old girl. So I think that if there was a man upstairs, he brought justice on that man.

34:58Was there any accusations that that could have been murder? No, there wasn't none. Okay, they just put it down as an actual accident. That was an accident, yeah. But I had one on the radar that I was going to seriously hurt, and he knew it. We didn't talk, and we didn't not like each other, as in, you stay away from me, growl at him, none of that. There was just sort of like, here's a say-say, and I didn't, yeah, leave it at that. and I'm thinking I'll throat punch you so fucking hard that your windpipe will just close up and you'll suffocate. And then it got to a point where I lost my job. I'd come out of my job of working kitchen gardens.

35:45I was working with Rob Knapper. What was that like? I'd kill him. But as I say, I wouldn't be here. I'd be in there. I might have done the world a favour. Yeah. Yeah, because he's now a good cunt. And his autism, I don't believe he's autistic. Do you think he puts that on? No, I think he's just generally a cunt. But he knows it. He's timid. Manipulative? No, not to me. I made it plain and clear that I didn't like him. Tried talking to me, like when I first started working at Kitchen Gardens, some some like I used to work in the sheds where Ron Cray used to work right and it's funny enough I used to work with the the orderly or what you'd call a civilian civic worker right and he used to tell me stories about how he'd sit there smoking away drinking cups of tea not doing no work and every now and again he'd get up and he'd walk with the flowers and sit back down again.

36:56With me, I used to be down there, take my mower right up to the far end of the kitchen allotment. You're behind two fences and a 20-foot brick wall. But that's my freedom. Just on a sunny day, top off, smoke, I just lay there and just soak up the sun for a couple of hours. No one's going to come over and bother you because you can't get out. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports.

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38:21What about the stories I hear in Broadmoor that there's constant sedation against your will? And was you a patient or a convict? Patient. Okay. People get confused with prison and hospital. Are there people in there that they could have rehabilitated, but they keep sedating them? Because I've... Well, if you look at my history, my profile, it's a bit of a complicated situation. isn't it? If you've got someone that's committing serious acts of violence, how can you let them out into the general public even though they haven't committed a crime that warrants them being in Broadmoor? I felt that I had to commit a crime to warrant me being there, to satisfy myself that now I know why I'm in Broadmoor because I've done this.

39:17Right, okay. That's when I strangle the patient. In there. in there i took me through that then i was already angry and agitated so i was being let on levels with two staff members beside me i was going up to the medication hatch and uh getting some diazepam it's always liquid on high dependency there was no tablets all liquid or injections a matey across the day room sitting in a chair laughing his head off taking the piss and I said I said now ain't basically now ain't the time I'm not gonna fuck oh do ya he's still laughing I'm laughing and joking in the end we're like hey yeah it's funny innit I'm gonna come over and I'll fucking struggle with you cunt it's funny innit and he's still laughing the staff are even thinking that it's a joke that I'm I'm being I'm being fucking serious I'm coming over and I'm taking your throat and you don't you think I'm fucking joking so before the next minute I've just run straight at him grabbed him round the throat the staff a bit slow off the mark thinking fucking hell he's just literally gone from 0 to 60 like that from laughing and joking about it now he's got his arms and this man's going blue choking like I'm suffocating him with one hand literally holding his windpipe like squeezing it together.

40:48With the intention of killing him? With the intention of killing that man, yes, to justify me being that I'd had enough. I'd been through so much bollocks and so much shit that I'd literally had enough. And I thought, if I will kill this man, now's my time to do it and I'm going to do it. Was you suffering with paranoia as well? Or did you ever imagine things that didn't actually happen, for example? No, no. Like he slighted me, so I'm going to get my revenge. No, I've seen a lot of stuff, a lot of bad stuff, but I've also done good stuff. Like, I saved a solicitor's life. So how am I that much of a bad man that I have to be high risk but I can save a solicitor from being killed?

41:33How did you do that? This old lady's been escorted onto the wall to see his solicitor. He was unhinged. He shouldn't have been on that wall. and I'm sitting there, and the doors closed, like, for privacy. No staff around. There's only four staff on that ward at the time. That was a rehab ward. This was me on my journey out of Broadmoor, you could say. Yeah, one of my, but I did end up going back to high dependency, but that was a different reason. Before that, I was, I just heard something. I felt wrong. I felt that was wrong. And I said to Manny, I said, he's doing her in there. Fuck tenure, man.

42:17And that was it. I was up. I swung the door open and he was caving her skull in with a ceramic cup, killing her. An old lady. I'm talking tartan skirt, thick stockings, brown stockings. Very old lady, about 65. Done her time on the tribunal panel. Just a slizier. And I've gone running in there and she's half up the wall, half on the floor, blood splattered up against the wall, all down everywhere, and her skull caved in. She survived. I saved her. I saved that woman's life. How did you sort that? I went running at him, grabbed him, held him up like that. And that's one thing I fucking regret, Liam.

43:09I didn't do that, man, serious harm. So I held him up like that. I said, what have you fucking done? He went, shit me fast. That's a lunatic. And then staff, the bells have gone. Manny's gone running to get a load of towels for her head, this old lady. She got taken to hospital. Matey was, by this time, because there was the whole of the ward filled up with staff, where they called in loads of staff. and they didn't manhandle me to get him off him. They just said to me, let him go, Paul. You've got to let him go.

43:54And I have a big regret because I let him go, but not without giving him a beating. It does go to show that on that psychopathy chart that there's empathy in there. Yes. Yeah. There is, yeah. Did you know it was in there until that happened? Was there a stint where you was lacking empathy? Yeah, I'm learning a lot. Since I've hit the internet, I'm finding I'm being empathetic with people. Seeing, I'm having people come to me and say, look, Paul, don't know me from Adam. I'm feeling like this, this, this and this. What do I do? and I say to her the best thing you can do right now is go and seek help in any possible way whether it be 999 ambulance hospital your GP but you need to go and get help before it spirals because that is one thing I have in mind that if there is someone out there that watches this on their phone because you're allowed phones now aren't you in your normal general psychiatric hospital but you see the videos on the TikTok in the local psychiatric, well, some of them people might be thinking, all right, I'll fuck enough of this.

45:16And end up with seclusion. And a couple of times of that, and then they get popped in the arse with acufase, like the liquid cosh. And is that the beginning of the end? That could be the beginning of the end, yeah. Because that could lead to just like permanent sedation. Well, they give it in three goes, three days. 100 mils, 150 mils. That's the maximum, 150 mils. So how did your Broadmoor journey come to an end? How did you clear yourself to be released? I was on Churchill Ward, another high dependency. After, as I say, getting this nonce, I throat punched him at the wrong time, basically. I could never catch him on his own.

46:00Oh, we never got round to you actually doing the nonce. Okay, tell me about that. I thought I'd punch him when he was getting medication. I was standing there getting medication. I just pulled his head back and went, bang. I just cracked him straight. I don't know. In my head, I thought, die, you cunt. Fucking die. And I stood there. I stood there with fucking nonce, cunt. Nonce. I got taken back to the seclusion room. He needed a bit of hospital. Not hospital, a bit of oxygen. Because I thought my theory, if you hit him hard enough, his throat will basically expand and they'll suffocate. Same theory as what I've been telling you about the other one.

46:41The throat seems to be the way forward. A throat punch, bang. Knocks people out. Puts them on the floor. That's your go-to. Well, I wouldn't like to say my go-to, would I? Not now. That would put me under pressure. But as I say... Biting and throat punching. People don't expect to do a throat punch. I expected he would be hitting the face or hitting the stomach. But not sort of like just go bang, straight in the throat. And so how close was he to dying? Which one? The nonce? The nonce? Yeah. No, he was clear. He just needed some oxygen. He was more shaken than anything. So go back to how you got out of Broadmoor.

47:23I was towing the line. I was perfectly okay. I got a little job doing printing in the print shop. They do lilograph printing. I think that's what it's called, lilograph? Lithograph. Yeah. It's really cool how they do it, how it's made, making the paper for the records and all that stuff. It's all made there. Right. That's where I met Stockwell Strangler, Kenny Erskine, or obviously what people see in the photo looks nothing like that now at all he's just a fat man and he's very very slow Was there anything about him that you thought was remotely pleasant? Nah didn't get on with him didn't want to get on with him he kept himself to himself though but that's the way it is isn't it he has a right to keep himself to himself because of what he'd done killing old grannies raping them Was he another one that you attempted to?

48:23No, no, no. I'd left him blind. I left him be. Same with Sutcliffe. He was... If I had done Sutcliffe, it would only end up in the paper. And then it would only end up in the paper because it's Sutcliffe. And you can't kill a war point. And he's an old man. You can't kill everybody you don't like or that's done a wrong one. I mean, I was on a wall with James Saunders, the wolf man. He's done a recent... He escaped. He's told me everything how he escaped. But what he didn't tell me was his crime. And I only found out his crime when I came out and I researched it. And what was his crime? I'd like not to say.

49:06People can Google it. That bad? Well, to do with children. And I never knew this. I'm going to have gym sessions with him and things like that. Oh, if you hadn't known, then it would have... If I'd have known, that shit wouldn't go on with, I don't know what to do with him. But that's front punch territory, isn't it? That's more than that. When you get there, it's more of a case of sort of like staff will give you a heads up. If you get on the right of a certain member of staff, it'll be new ones come on the wall, Paul. Just don't get too involved with him as a friend. Them little things, they're not like red.

49:48they're not of green light to do this, man, but I've also been have been escorted to the gym or escorted to a visiting hall and it'll be, yeah, Paul, yeah, we've got a holiday coming up soon, me and Mrs. I go, oh, that's nice, Albert, yeah, that's great. Yeah, could really do some extra overtime, you know. He's one of the Shield team. Right. A nurse on days, yeah, normal nurse but when things go down he gets called out he's part of one of the Shield team so when he says to me I could do a bit of overtime what he means is Paul why don't you just do one what you usually do call us out so we can get paid our extra money pay for my holiday how mad is that he's indirectly telling me to commit a a barricade to call out the Shield team so he can get paid extra money that month to take his wife on an holiday.

50:50But what do I get? Yeah, where's your cut? What do I, exactly, what do I get? I get nothing. You leaving Broadmoor, how did you get out? Tribunal. I went in front of it, I thought, okay, you have one every three years, mandatory. I didn't bother with a tribunal, only the three-year ones, and I never attended. But then this time I see myself, it had been projected onto a screen like this, me in an incident on the ward, and that's what turned it around for me. I see myself in an incident. Ah. And the looks on the staff's faces, these are big, and the nurse is saying to me, the manager with the DBT lady, therapist the one meet do DBT dialectical behavioral therapy saying to me look at their faces Paul there's me in this clip you know it jumps little stage by stage on CCTV yeah well there's me with a metal chair over my head 17 and a half 18 stone lump nice and they some of them that are backing off and now they're meaty yeah oh like rugby players and a bodybuilder one well I know one of them was a bodybuilder proper I mean a professional body but that's his job and they're backing away and she look at their faces that's empathy when I when I look at their faces because I don't see expressions that's a mad thing as well i could you don't see what is it i read in my notes out about that don't recognize people's faces i could know them and someone would say yeah well i remember you and i'll be thinking in my head it'll be spinning around thinking who do i know who are you and i'll have to say to him look i really apologize but who are you who do i know you can you read faces though expressions if someone looks scared for them sort of things yeah yeah of course you learn body language so the tribunal yeah the tribunal you watch yourself on the screen and you think i'll go for a tribunal now's my time lucy scott moncrieff lisa vaughn i got him name her my sister got me out of brawmore and where did you go from there to a medium secure unit they come to first of all They come to visit me.

53:29After I got the all clear that, yes, okay, we'll accept you to move. We will recommend a recommendation to move to medium security. So then from there, how did you get released back into the general public? So my medium security towed the line completely. You did? I did, yeah. How does a man do that, go from being a psycho to, I'm actually going to toe the line here because that's a big change progression I've seen progress that snowball that was getting bigger was slowly getting smaller if you get what I mean by the ice the snow was melting and I was coming back out of it did it feel nice? it did my first day out was 15 minutes with two staff to walk around the grounds you can't walk around the grounds in 15 minutes and you could have a smoke and there was a little tea room.

54:27Before you knew it, 15 minutes is up, it's time to go back. Then that progressed. I even went to college and done a CYQ in fitness as a gym instructor. I never used the qualification. I used it on myself sometimes in the gym. It was just my own. But nice to use your brain to do something other than hurt people. How many years did you spend in Broadmoor? In Broadmoor, in total, from 2002. And I was finally released to the community in 2012. For someone that's been institutionalised and spent years and years in Broadmoor, which is a psychiatric ward for the criminally insane, should Charles Bronson be freed?

55:16See, I'm a mind reader, right, Liam? I knew you was going to say that one, Because I know Charlie. I visited him. And I'm friends with his family. Good friends. Me and my wife are good friends with his cousin. Whether that sits well with him right now, I don't know. At the moment, he's got my book. He asked for a copy, so I sent him a copy.

55:45He deserves to have his time out here. Is he fit enough for it? Trouble is, I can read between the lines. I know I'm not qualified in mental health, but I suffer from mental health. So I think I have an upper hand on quite a lot of stuff to do with mental health, especially forensic mental health. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports.

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57:11Charlie won't cope out here. Not with the way the world is and the way he is. he doesn't deserve to be in the cage he's in Wakefield cages at the moment now hearing stuff about he's in Ian Huntley's cell that's bullshit bullshit and being in the cages if he's in the cages he won't be in there that long in the cage he'd be back up on the CSC unit closed supervision centre in Wakefield, yeah, with the rest of them, the few others. So I've had the chance, the opportunity of visiting him and that being an open visit. Not a closed visit with a screen, but an open visit. So I've had a man hug, proper handshake.

58:09I've known him since 2002. but you ask the question because everything that's being done to get him out now that rodeo's been rode before you need to come up with something more original does he think he'd survive on the outside world he doesn't know the outside world he doesn't know it and it's changed how did it change for you in that direction when I went in there weren't no internet on phones or in your house It was a Nokia 3310, I think, when I went in. And how have you managed to adapt? Because you're married, so you've got a healthy relationship. I'm married. I take medication every day.

58:51What meds are you on? I'm on antipsychotic medication. I take melatonin at night. I'm waiting for a titration for ADHD because I was recently diagnosed with ADHD. When people ask, if we'd been diagnosed, because my son's ADHD, and if I'd been diagnosed when I was little, do you think maybe it wouldn't have turned out like it did? Have you got many regrets? I do, yeah. And that's why I'm writing a second book about my time after, the people that I've met and have introduced me into a good way of living. Good mentors? A good mentor, like my good friend Dave Courtney. Talk to me about your relationship with Dave Courtney because a lot of people watching this will be interested in Dave.

59:40Some people didn't know the real Dave, you know. And he took me under his wing. That's what he'd done for me. He took me under his wing. He's met many people in his life when he was alive. Many people of all walks of life and he could have just seen me as that Natter from Bullmore. We'd just palm him off at a party. Great parties with Dave. or I think but when it comes to it it's all like you get to know him and you become friends he's throwing me up my life get your suit on Paul be over mine by 10 over the castle I get over there and I'm eating Michael Franzese my boss for a photo shoot me and Dave Morgan and a few others stilts to drop a name you can drop as many names as you like Well, that's for the second book, the people I've met.

1:00:42But Dave, you loved him, trusted him? Yeah, I trust that man in my life. And do you trust many people? I trust my wife. I trust Mr Morgan, as I say, my friend Dave. I trust him, yeah. There's very minimum people. But when you think about it, you shouldn't be trusting everybody. God, no. No? No. I mean, that's testament to Dave. Read the room. You have to read them. It's testament to Dave Courtney that you trust him if you've got low trust issues. That's what I mean. Yeah. Because anyone I know that knows Dave, they all say he looked after me, took me under his wing and I could trust him. He was a good mentor.

1:01:23He was a good man to look out for you. I'm not saying, I mean, there's been a time when I was going off my nut, you know, in lockdown and I went to see him. I'm sitting there with me and, you know, my friend outside and Dave I said look Dave I'm telling you they're making crack upstairs I'm going loony here this is me going crazy man Paul you know they're making fucking crack I'm telling you they're doing this and that upstairs they're fucking got bodies coming out left right and centre they're bringing in people off the boat Dave he said Paul you don't need my help you need a psychiatrist looking back on it Fuck it.

1:02:09I was mental. I got taken into the local hospital and put straight onto the intensive care unit. They weren't having me on. Their words were, we've handled Frank Bruno in here. We can handle you. At Goodmays Hospital. Have you had any wobbles since leaving Broadmoor? That is a... That was... Yeah, that was a... I've had a couple of wobbles, yeah. I took my brother hostage. What did he do wrong? He was bad to my mum. Oh, okay. Yeah. financially bad to my mum so I dealt with it. Did he press charges? No, he didn't, no. They sprayed me up and took three cans of gas and a bang on the back of the head with a trunction and they called that normal, false, in court.

1:02:57So when's the call? Yeah, I got charged. Did they recall you? No, no, I went on 041. They can't recall you. My sentence was up. That was it. I was out. This is after. I've taken over the police station. Got a taser. Took three tasers. One went, barbed went in my leg. I looked at him while I'm fighting with these. So in my eyes, I was thinking at the time, I was still institutionalised. My family life was still unstable, even though I wanted stability so much with me and my wife. and she's really she's been there for me she doesn't ask a lot from me do you get what I mean she doesn't ask get a 9 to 5 job do this do that she's a very supportive wife I've known her since I was 18 years old she wasn't my girlfriend or anything mixing the same circle sort of thing years ago.

1:04:07How about that? Yeah, and then all these years later I married her and Dave was my was my best man. What would you say to a younger Paul? If you could sit opposite him what chap would you give him? At what age? 18? 17? 16? What age? 15. Just before the madness really started to kick in. I didn't like school. If there was another way of being schooled and bullying they might have left me alone within the bullying but I was literally left alone so standing in a corner on my own sort of thing do you get what I mean? they weren't willing to engage in you but they also weren't willing to either fight you or bully you just left so I see that as I would say to myself if I was my younger self just keep the ball rolling forward If it's progressing good, keep it going and ride that wave.

1:05:11If it's going bad, make sure you jump off. And what would you say to yourself about your violence or your temper? Yeah, that's controlled. That's under control. Never hurt my family. Never, apart from my brother, but I didn't hurt him. You just detained him? I detained him, yeah, in his flat, yeah. But, yeah, I feel my other brother's doing very well, but him, that brother, I don't talk to at all. He tried to contact me, but I don't have it. And how does the future look for you? What can people expect? Because I'm going to put all your social media links in the description. What can I expect to see from you in the future?

1:05:58Book number two, After Brawlmore. as I say meeting with Dave and my other links with certain individuals you know Freddie Foreman for proper decent people this is going to be in your second book in my second book yeah obviously dealing with institutionalisation yeah that was a big problem and it took me a number of years to realise how to manage and self-regulate emotions. As I say, I'm waiting for titration for my ADHD but really whether the medication had worked for me is irrelevant now because I feel that I know myself better now because I wrote that book myself. I didn't get a ghostwriter.

1:07:01To tell you the truth, I was offered a ghostwriter. I couldn't afford it. But then even though they're a good ghostwriter, the man, I don't think he'd probably be able to step into my shoes to actually write like as me. So what's in that book is written like by me, like me because it's me writing it. And I had it professionally edited and then professionally put on Amazon. because I didn't know about how to do all that. Are you confident that you won't engage in violence again or end up back in jail? I wouldn't end up back in jail of anything. I'd end up back in a hospital or an hospital where I placed it.

1:07:43It would just need being where I'd been needed to be. But we hope. We can't predict the future, Liam, but all we can do is engage with the services, which I am, and as I say, like, my stepdaughter, Jess, she's got a qualification in psychology and I listen to people and she says a bit of therapy because the stuff I've spoke about and wrote about, I had therapy for that. Yeah, I'd recommend therapy, mate. Because all that that's gone on, I've had therapy for a condition, like the emotionally unstable person it's all right you need therapy for you but therapy for the carnage and the car crash that happened and all the all the riot shit i've never had therapy for no and maybe realizing from these podcasts and engaging with certain people and writing the book The book took two years.

1:08:52And I've sat down before and I've looked at the screen on a computer and I've read it. You couldn't make it shit up. No. You think to yourself, so much has happened. Are you grateful for your freedom? Oh, of course. Of course. Me and my wife, we went to Broadstairs recently in Kent. Yeah. Just the two of us for two nights. It was lovely. Just me and her. I plan on taking my family on holiday. That's what I like. I don't go out. I'm not gallivanting around, getting pissed out in my nut, doing this, doing that, whatever people want to call it these days. I just call it cocaine or amphetamines, but people call it other things now.

1:09:41I don't know, they pack it or this or that, and they're all getting out there on a Friday night and they all want to hurt people. they all want to hurt each other and then they end up with A &E me I like I've been through carnage I don't look for it why look for something that you've been that you've experienced not many people have experienced Riot Police but when you experience it you don't want it again well I've experienced it a bit too many times Right if you've enjoyed this interview and you want to hear Paul's story in depth. This is his book. I'm going to put the links so you can purchase this in the description and all of Paul's social media.

1:10:24Paul's saying inbox me and I do signed copies as well. Inboxing for signed copies. Like and subscribe to the channel. Paul's ADHD is kicking in. I'm trying to sign off and he's still going. There's no excuse. Like and subscribe to the channel. Give Paul a follow. He's rebuilding his life and there's... Pool Night Official. And there's lots more to come. Pool Night Official. I'll put all the links in the description so they'll come straight to you. I appreciate you sharing the story and I hope you stay out of hospital, sir. So do I. Cheers, brother. Nice one, Liam.

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