Migrant Crime Machine EXPOSED: I Went Undercover & Crossed The Channel

25:45And it would be the easiest fix possible, surely. Well, I met up with an Algerian guy and I was speaking to him and he said, yeah, Algerian mafia run France. You know, he said, the Algerian mafia run France. I said, all right, then what do you reckon to the Algerian, you know the Algerians sort of controlling the people smuggling operation he said oh without a shadow of a doubt he said you know that France invaded Algeria years years ago and um and he said you know a lot of the Algerians speak French and live in France now the map he said the Algerian mafia live in France you know this is coming from an Algerian bloke um and uh that that's the best intelligence that I've got sort of around um the the mafia and that I've heard mentioned a few times So, yeah, there's a high chance.

26:31I mean, listen, if the Algerian Mafia live in France, then you'd probably think that they've got a few cards marked of the coppers, you know, the higher-up coppers. It's not out of the ordinary, is it? No. And just before you left the first time, you was going to camp in a different camp somewhere, and you were warned that if you camp out here, if you set up a tent here, you're going to be killed. And then he mentioned the Taliban and the Mafia, and he made gun noises. Yeah, yeah. What was that like? He was just trying to help me. So he was caught up in the smuggling. He was caught up in the smuggling because he was trying to pay for a ticket to the UK.

27:14So he will have been probably an innocent guy just thinking, I want to get to the UK for a better life. But to do so, he's had to work for the smugglers for a period of time to be able to gain his passage from the smugglers. So I figured that and I didn't feel threatened by him. But yeah, I mean, when he started doing that, I'm just like, wow, you know, what is going on here? I heard, because you got your phone out and thought I better record this. So I heard the whole conversation of him telling you, you know, you'll be killed. Gunshots, Taliban, mafia. I bet you thought, thank God I bumped into you.

27:51Well, to be honest, I mean, you know, that stuck with me then, because then anytime I've been in this situation, and it's been hard to sleep because you're thinking, you don't know who's stood outside your tent pointing something down at you, do you? No. And also, did you have to pay a fee? The fee, well, at that point, I wasn't even able to get to the fee, to what is the fee. Obviously, eventually, you know, I ended up paying€1 ,400, which, you know, which was actually quite cheap, I thought, considering with some of the prices that we've been told in the past, you know, thousands of pounds and stuff.

28:22You know, another lie, oh, these people are paying thousands of pounds, thousands upon thousands of pounds. Well, it's not, you know, I know the journeys have started off quite a distance back, but a lot of these people just jump on public transport and don't pay train tickets and run off if they get caught. So they walk and get trains across the continents. Yeah, because that was on your second journey, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. Where you was plotted up in camps. So, yeah, just one more question before we move on to the second visit that you made there where you were successful this time to get onto a dinghy.

28:58Yeah. I mean, fucking hell. But do you think, because, again, I'm speculating, but you've had boots on the deck and you've been around these people and you've heard and you've seen stuff with your own eyes and your eyes and ears don't tend to lie. They're not doctors, they're not engineers. We know that. A lot of them are talking about criminality. I know that one person was described to you as a violent thief. He was the guy smoking the crack pipe in your tent. There's crack, there's heroin, there's all sorts. There's people on the run. We know that much. There's smugglers, there's mafia, there's Taliban, there's corrupt police.

29:32I mean, this is a big, big, big, big, big, big story. Massive, huge. One of the biggest scandals I've heard since the grooming gangs, if not the biggest scandal. It's absolutely outrageous. but do you think that some of the migrants are in cahoots with the smugglers in a sense of when they get to the UK they haven't paid their fee but they're going to work off their fee in other ways they're going to become part of a crime syndicate in the UK. Hey it's Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile now I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited premium wireless for$15 a month is back.

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31:02Or the other side of it is when you get to the UK without a shadow of a doubt, I've been told, I've been told I'm still in touch with people with migrants now who haven't paid their ticket and they are intending to do work on the UK side. I never managed to get to what that work is, but it can't be legal work because they've not got any right to work. So yeah, whatever that work is, you know, I will get to the bottom of it, but there's definitely, definitely an illegal trade going on on this side, which makes a mockery of it as well. And just even up to now, how far we've got, and we've not even got into the meat and gravy of this interview yet, but what we do know is when Starmer was on his stage saying we're going to smash the gangs, we now know he was well out of his depth and he had no chance.

31:47To be honest, I think that smash the gangs was a really clever idea from Starmer's point of view. I'll tell you why. Because everybody was thinking about the gangs, and the problem is not the gangs, the problem is the government, problems the likes of Keir Starmer. So what he did with that was he got us all thinking, oh, these gangs are getting the people coming. Everyone in the country thought it, but actually the gangs, I've seen it, you know, the gangs are not the problem. The problem is the government being no will and, you know, no will or desire to stop this from happening. If, you know, these gangs might have hundreds of thousands, well, the British government's got billions.

32:23Our ships are worth billions. Theirs are inflatables, you know, at best. So to say that we can't stop this problem because of the gangs was a great idea to sign up us all. More gaslighting. That's it. It amazes me how there's still people out there that don't even suspect that our government are complicit in this. Yeah, it blows my mind. I mean, I don't know if you... I've seen you at some of the demonstrations, and I've been to some too, you know, and there are people who are that blind to it all, that they stand there with the signs and they, you know, racist, fascist, refugees welcome here.

33:02You know, those people are dangerous people because they are helping to peddle this whole lie, this whole illusion of, you know, and they are putting the likes of us and children and women, you know, our citizens at danger, at great danger. Massive danger. And I just can't believe that people are putting their head in the sands. And there's even people out there that probably know that that's the truth, but they still want to appear virtuous. Yeah. And like they've got the biggest heart in the world. Yeah. Well, how about you house the crack smoking violent thief then? Yeah. How about you do that?

33:35Yeah. And then they reel back up into the shell then, don't they? Oh, I live with my mum or I read... Oh, okay. Okay. So what the fuck are you protesting for then? Yeah. And just before you came back to then replan the second mission, you bumped into a guy called Baron who was a Palestinian. Yeah. And what did he show you on his phone? He was showing me videos of his uncle. You know, I mean, there were half dead people on the floor and he was showing me videos of his uncle. You know, they were pulling up to these just machine gunning, these dead, virtually dead bodies, point blank range. And he was smiling, saying, my uncle, my uncle.

34:13You know, it was like, I'm looking at this guy thinking, Jesus Christ, this guy's literally smiling with pure glee, like showing me videos of these, you know, I guess Islamists from Palestine or whatever, you know, potentially, I'm thinking of these Hamas operatives and, you know, and I'm watching these videos and they're literally machine gunning these people, they're driving cars through walls and just, you know, chaos. It was just like some of the videos were just barbaric and disgusting. And did Baron... Yeah, and he was claiming that that's his uncle. With pride? With pride, with pure pride, yeah.

34:49And so was Barron one of the ones planning on coming over to the UK? Yeah, he claimed that he'd paid€1 ,800 to a smuggler who he'd met online to get over to the UK. And he was with his brother who lived in Germany. And there was a couple of Syrian lads there and an Egyptian fella. They were all pleasant enough to me, but some of the stuff that they were talking about that they showed me was just mind-blowing. Yeah, and this is a question for the audience. You've heard Christian describe what he saw on Baron's phone and how proud he was of this gratuitous graphic violence. Well, it's a snuff movie.

35:35It's murder that you witnessed. Now, do we want these sort of people in the UK? Let's just say that even one in 100 is like Baron. Is it worth the risk? I always say that. Is it worth the risk? You know what? I actually believe that, you know, 100 is probably being quite kind. And I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt here because I've got very strong views and I've looked at this. I'll put it under the microscope because I'm very worried about the future of the UK. And I also know that you heard Iranian Kurds speaking, which we're going to come to that because we're now going to move on to your second mission.

36:11But that also could indicate that we've got the IRGC on their way over here. We've got terrorists. Not the IRGC, but, you know, there'll be a terrorist. Branches of it. Branches of coming over to the UK, and who knows what they've got in store. And the thing is now, I mean, Nazi Germany, when they would storm other countries, they would storm countries, they would be in uniform, so you knew you were being invaded there and then. But the way it's happening now, these people have been drip-fed into our country, into society, for God knows how many years now. The enemies that are amongst the migrants, they're here.

36:44Well, something I've started to think lately is really, and this is a big shout, this is a big shout, and I'm not bothered if I get any criticism for it because, you know, I've been into the camps, I've been on the boat, I'm looking at what's on social media, I'm looking at the country going downhill. I'm starting to wonder whether this is the start of World War III. If somebody says that I'm wrong, try and debate with me that it's not. We've got cyber attacks coming from all different countries. We've got people flooding in on the southern border. We've got people in the government and in elected positions who have totally different values from what our country originally has stood up for over thousands of years.

37:27How is it not the start of World War III? Well, I'm not going to contest that. There's no way I would debate that. It seems perfectly plausible to me. I mean, if you'd have said this to me 20 years ago, I would have said, no, as if that's ever going to happen. And here we are, literally seeing with our own eyes the unbelievable. Let's move on to your second mission where you were successful on getting onto the dinghies. Now, A, what made you go back, considering the last time you were there, you were told you were going to be killed. You could hear submachine guns firing in the air. You were told that the Taliban were there.

37:55The mafia are orchestrating the whole thing. You probably had zero faith in the police because they sound to me like they're a part of it. Yeah. Speculation. But what makes a man think, I'm going to go back for more and I'm going to go that much further? And what was the mission and how did you plan it? And what was the intelligence and what steps did you take? I'll tell you what, I've done a few things in between. So I've been watching the home office tweets. I've been watching the home office tweets and, you know, there's this sort of like 46, well, it's actually 48 ,000 now, crossings prevented.

38:27They put out a tweet saying, oh within 44 days we will we destroy all the vessels within 44 days of seizing them so I've gone to Dover I've been up to the home office compound poke my head over the fence and you know I'm looking at hundreds and hundreds this was earlier in the year I'm looking at hundreds of vessels and engines just sat in the home office compound and I'm thinking there's no way that these are being destroyed in the time frame that they're telling people they are so I'm just I'm like there's a lie there um I've put uh I've put I've put an FOI in they've about something else they've come back to the home office they've come back to me saying oh it's not in the public interest that we give you the information on the FOI that you've requested you know and I'm just thinking they are just fobbing us off you know so I want to go I want to go over I want to see what happens on on the journey I want to I want to try and you know deal with a smuggler to the point of to the point of knowing what happens and knowing if people are paying seeing what the police do and just the sheer desire to find the truth to be honest is what made me go back because the first time you went there you went disguised as a foreign man you grew a beard and you went by the name of um a row hat I feel like it just rolls off the tongue you know what I mean and what does that mean sunrise sunrise yeah sunrise but what about the second because you grew the beard you went on sunbeds you drank orange juice you've done everything you can to look foreign sound foreign tremendous performance by the way yeah appreciate that wow but the second time yeah did you change your approach the second time I thought to myself well do you know what as much as I tried with all that it was just one it was unsustainable two I don't think it got me got me any further than if I'd just pitched up normally and I just thought you know these these are criminals that I'm dealing with these smugglers so maybe I align myself with them.

40:26I'll go over as some sort of criminal. I need a valid reason for why an Englishman might be coming back to the UK on a boat to go undetected by the authorities, even though I knew I would get detected in their minds. I'm thinking if I come back to the UK, I'm a criminal, I want to get back into the UK because I'm on the run from the police. I just thought, do you know what, it checks out that story, I think it works. And, you know, I just made a promise to the smuggler who I dealt with, and I'll stand to this because despite him being a criminal, if you make a promise, a promise is a promise. And I just said, listen, as long as you get me on a boat without any problems, I'll not cause you any problems.

41:13And, you know, we made a gentleman's handshake over a WhatsApp message and that's what we stuck to. So what was the process? What was the first step right up until the point? This will probably be a lengthy answer from you, because get all the detail in there as well, so people can visualise what you actually done. So the first step as to how you got your handler, and then right up to the point you managed to get up on the boat for the first time before the police come and slashed it, and then we'll move on to the final section. So I get on TikTok. I've been searching TikTok. So I've been well-tuned into it.

41:45My algorithm's tuned into it. I'm pulling these numbers off. I'm speaking to these people. and you know next thing you know i've just i've just got this one guy who seems to be sort of texting me more than the others so i've said yeah you know what i've gone to meet him obviously what i didn't realize is these people don't meet you they send you to meet somebody so i'm in france i've got back to the dunkert jungle this was a couple of weeks so this this is all this is only you know a couple of months ago this it's quite recent and i'm on facetime i can't see him you can see me you know brother go left go right uh cross the bridge someone's going to come out the trees on the phone approach him so sure enough i'm walking down to this you know this group of migrants bloke comes out the woods looking around on the phone i wave he waves back at me next thing you know sort of takes me into the woods and says right there's your tent um you know you're you're standing that one everyone's sort of quite friendly to be honest so i'm thinking happy days i'm i'm I'm on for getting a boat here.

42:47Anyway, next thing you know, his pals come over. You're European, we don't trust you. Police informer, police informer. So I've gone, listen, I've got the money here, which is, you know, it wasn't the most pleasant thing to get the money out from. I've got the money here. I'm getting a boat, same as you. In this moment, I'm sort of kidding myself that I am a British criminal and I've not been back to the UK for five years. I'm starting to believe it myself. As your acting seal's kicking in. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying here. No, brother. Next thing you know, there's 20 metres away from me.

43:23There's shotguns getting fired and stuff. And I'm thinking, I've got no security. The only person that knows I'm in those woods is Isabel. She's got me on fire, my friends. And I've just said, right, I'm going. I'm going dark for a bit. The shotgun going off, I'm thinking, do you know what? I've got to get out of here. I can't argue with these people to stay because I'm waking up. Oh, well, I won't be waking up in the morning. So I get out of there. I said to her, listen, I said, you know, I thought we were on with this guy. It's not happening. So was your handler a female? No, so Isabel, Isabel, who I work with, yeah, Isabel Oakeshop.

43:59So because everything that we've done, you know, all these investigations. You've reported back. She's been on the phone every day. So, you know. So you had someone to communicate with at all times. Yeah, because, you know what? what a godsend that was as well because you do need to sense check stuff in those moments. I mean, she's obviously at home sort of, you know, she's at home sort of in a normal mindset. In a wing-back chair with a sherry while you're in the middle of a migrant camp with submachine guns being fucking fired. And a Heineken as well, to be fair. I'll tell you what they do like to drink those migrants.

44:35But where were we now? You kind of fronted them and said, I've got the money here. I'm not an informer I've got out of these woods I thought get out get out I ring her up I said listen I'm coming back this is not this is not happening it's not happening so I've come back home at this point anyway I've been speaking to this guy time and time again and I've gone you know what this guy I said I'm going to say to him I don't want to go in the in the jungle and then that way you might think that I'm not a police informer I just said I just rang him up I said listen mate I said I'm I need to get back to the UK there's loads of other smugglers online I said are you going to help me out or not?

45:11I started verbally throwing my weight around with him. He's turned around to me. He's gone, oh, brother, brother, calm down, calm down. I'll help you, I'll help you. I said, listen, I'm not bothered about going to the Dunkirk jungle because I'm thinking if he thinks I'm not bothered about going there, it makes me look even more like I'm not trying to get information. You're just determined to get on the dinghy. That's it. So I've turned around to him. I said, right, okay. I said, in a week or two, I'll come back from Barcelona where I told him I was living. so I um so I sort of prepare myself again mentally for a couple of weeks get myself ready to get going and um yeah headed back over to France and um and this is where it all began with the final trip shall we call it I ring him up say listen brother what's going on what I need to get this boat you know where am I going he messes me around different directions I follow a wrong group of migrants you know i'm i'm with this group of migrants that i think i'm going to the to the boat with i'm carrying bloody babies and prams and all sorts onto the trains and you know it was all just chaos anyway turns out it was the wrong group that i'd latched onto um so i just said oh man i've been waiting here for an hour what's going on so i get down back to the train station that he originally told me to go to he said right go to this camp and meet um meet meet the guy and you're going to pay pay the money to anyway i go i go walking down this road for a good half an hour into the sticks i'm thinking right this is pretty shady this i'm in the middle of some woods away from anything here in the middle of a load of fields and then i just sort of looked to my right and there's there's a little path and then a few tents in the woodland i thought well what's the worst that can happen so i walked down into this um i walked down into this woodland into this little encampment in the woodland and uh there's a bloke sort of comes over to me um still speaking to the bloke now still got his number um you know he's an illegal illegal immigrant but he he became a bit of a friend to be honest in that moment um whether he's seen the news or not i don't know he might recognize you yeah but anyway so so he ended up sort of said listen ring him now they spoke to each other on the phone obviously knew each other to some extent could speak the same lingo i couldn't understand the word that was being said and um and yeah he said next thing you know he put my phone down give me my phone back he said that's your tent so i thought happy days something's going well anyway next thing you know he's coming over to me he's like brother uh you want uh hashish crack hashish cocaine all this stuff i'm like no no mate no i've got a few beers don't worry about me so no mate i've got a boat to catch in the morning yeah yeah anyway next thing you know he's there just like you know cooking up crack on the bottom of the heineken tin in the jungle.

48:00I'm just sort of sat there watching all this go on. You know, the other guy's smoking hashish. And, you know, that's just normal to them. Just normal behaviour. You know, cooking up crack in those migrant camps is normal. Was there no singing around the campfire? Well, they were playing some tunes, but it wasn't my kind of music, let me just put it that way. Was there any praying going on in these camps? No, there's none of that. I've not seen anyone be religious in those settings, which is kind of weird isn't it because you know all of a sudden they get to where they want to and they go all religious but no I've not seen anyone pray to be honest in those situations but so these blokes were both Syrian and they claimed that they fled Syria they showed me some pictures of some like sort of rubble in Syria and said that's our home but then I realised actually although they had originally come from Syria, they'd been living in Turkey for a while.

49:01Now, it's very hard to communicate with these people because you've got Google Translate and that's it. They don't speak, most of them don't speak English. And if they do, it's only a couple of words. So I'm trying to have conversations. I'm sort of finding out that actually, even though he did live in Syria, he was living in his house, he's got no family because they were blown up. and obviously the buildings that they were showing were blown to pieces. Even though they have been living in that situation, they have fled that situation, normally what's happened is they found somewhere else safe to live anyway.

49:35So these guys had been living in Turkey anyway for a while, which last time I checked wasn't at war. So yeah, obviously next thing you know, he says, right, we're going in the morning. This other group appear at like say three in the morning, middle of the night they just appear um so they he so this guy that i'm with is the group leader he is the group leader so i'm thinking right you know he's telling everyone where to go he's on the phone to people speaking you know speaking to various people getting instructions off the smuggler and um all these other people are following him i'm thinking great well i've just sat with him all evening speaking to him we've got on so at least i know i'm in with him gets to the point uh you know where there's just police vans flying up i mean it's sort of twilight it's coming to like dawn and um it's such a bizarre time in the morning because obviously you know the police are getting ready to go out for for the um for the the boat setting off so there's police vans flying everywhere there's nothing else going on at that time in france apart from migrants walking the street and police flying everywhere and the odd drone and and police um spotter plane flying over.

50:48So really sort of eerie time in the morning. But the police don't ever stop the migrants who are all walking down the roads with life jackets. They just drive past them. You would have thought it'd be a great time to arrest them because quite clearly at five in the morning with a life jacket heading down to get a boat. Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. Now, I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited premium wireless for$15 a month is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made$15 bills, But it turns out that's very illegal. So there goes my big idea for the commercial.

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51:50Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required compatibility and availability varies 18+. And who issues the life jackets to charities? Some of them have them themselves. Some of them just, you know, I mean, listen, if you leave something lying around in the north of France, you know, if someone walks past it, it's gone. You know, you can't, I've made the mistake of leaving a woolly hat lying around and within minutes, you know, one of the other lads was wearing it. So you can't leave anything lying around. So yeah, people pick stuff up.

52:23Some charities donate live jackets and some just go without them. So yeah, anyway, we get down to this, we get down to this canal. I saw the guy go over. So Ali, who was the group leader. Was he your handler? He was my handler. who had paid, I saw him go and hand the money to this other guy. So we're down by this canal. We're waiting on the canal. It's the canal in Calais. And we're thinking like we're getting a boat. I'm thinking, buddy, we're supposed to be getting a boat from the canal into the sea sort of thing, or the river into the sea. I'm not sure whether it was, I think it was a canal, to be honest.

53:04But anyway, that never ended up coming. So it's like, oh, no, we're not going from here now. Plans have changed. so we had to go and trek to some dunes some dunes near Calais near the beach of Calais so we get to these dunes obviously it's broad daylight by now and not slept a wink and you know this family's carrying the kids this Sudanese family I've got my two Syrian associates with me and there's police everywhere this particular morning there's police everywhere now Andy Burnham and the French police are just, you know, in the news a couple of days before of just being hammered for all the sort of the surge in boats that have come over.

53:48So I'm thinking there's a lot of police presence here now. I'm thinking just my luck, all of a sudden, you know, Andy Burnham's come in power. You know, they've ended up increasing police activity and I'm not going to be able... They're going to end up stopping the boat before I've managed to get on one and find out what was happening. So sure enough, on this particular morning, police presence everywhere, so many police on the beach. They've obviously had a bit of a kick in from someone. So yeah, we're waiting in the dunes. There was a bit of a gap from groups of police walking down and the Sudanese lot just ran.

54:24They just ran down to the water. They get into the water and the police just sort of stand out looking at them. As soon as they're in the water, the police won't go and get them. They won't stop them. To be fair, they don't stop them anyway, but they say once they're in the water waist deep, the police can't go and get them. I've seen the footage in the distance. You can see the warships. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can see the Navy are present. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if the police are on the beach and the Navy are in the shore, how is it continuing? Well, they're saying that the police won't go in the water to get them if they're waist deep.

54:56But they don't get them anyway. They don't arrest them. They just try and get in the way. So it's all a bit of an illusion, really. It's all a bit of like, you know, just for show, just for the camera. An insult of the British public. Well, all the public's intelligence, really, isn't it? Realistically, yeah. I feel like it's creating situations that are just a load of nonsense. You know, it's creating situations for people to take pictures of and then think about, which, you know, there's no solution there because they might try and stop them from going into the water, but then they just send them back up into the dunes.

55:32Well, they just go through the dunes and go down that way, and the police have gone that way, and then they're in the water anyway. So these lot get into the water. The handler, the main guy's gone. He's disappeared. And I'm thinking, hang on a sec. I'm with this one guy now. I need to get down to the water. I thought the boat's obviously – I can see the boat in the distance slowly, slowly coming. So I'm thinking, I've got to get down there because I'm not missing this. I'm not going through all this. I'm missing it. so I just said to this lad I said you're either coming with me or you're not so we take off next thing you know sure enough six coppers bang right in front of us appeared from nowhere so we get in search she pulls my camera out my pocket has a look at that puts it back in my pocket and then he's rooting through my waist bag my passport's in there which was that was this was the moment where I thought that'd be game over for you well that'd be me handcuffs people smuggling you know that arrested on suspicion of, not that I was, but they would have probably arrested me in that moment because it would have just blown their mind, the fact that a British guy is on their way down to the water with migrants.

56:43So anyway, fortunately he didn't pull my passport out the waist bag and then they just made us sit on the beach, they walked off and then I said, right, I'm going and I just legged it down to the beach and they just watched us run to the sea and they just watched us run to the sea. It's quite exhilarating, to be honest. It's quite good fun in the moment. And we wait for hours and hours. But once you were in the dinghy? Once we were in the water. So we're stood in the water for hours. Right. So we started walking down towards the direction of where the dinghy was coming from. It was moving very, very slow, this dinghy.

57:17And where does the dinghy come from? Is it doing like as if it was a bus picking people up from different places? Yeah, so it starts off at the furthest most point from the direction it's going. And it heads up the coast, and there'll be certain groups lined up on the beaches ready to jump on it. So, but, yeah, I mean, you raise a good question now. These dinghies are supposed to be being launched from the beach. But are they? No one's taking videos of them being run down the beach anymore. When was the last time you saw one? I think there was one that was stopped by the police on the beach the other day that was on the news a couple of days before today.

58:01And the police were getting rocks thrown at them and stuff. But are they being launched at sea now? Who knows? I don't know. I don't think there's been many that have been witnessed being launched because they are coming from that far down the coast. But, yeah, sometimes you'll first spot the dinghy and you think, hang on, that's miles out at sea there. So part of me is now wondering whether they are launching them out at sea. And how many was in the thing that you got in on the first occasion? There must have been over 100 in there. Because you looked like sardines all crushed in there. I'd probably say there was over 80, but there was more trying to get on.

58:37And once we'd finally scrambled to get on this boat, it was chaos. Oh, it was absolute chaos. You know, there's people like trying to clamber to get on. You know, I'm watching people that are trying to get to the boat and they're realising that they're actually trying to get to a boat and they can't swim. They're realising in that moment you can see it in the face. They didn't think that bit through, did they? No. So you're watching all that. I mean, I laugh now, but it's quite harrowing to watch. Was you nervous? Or was the adrenaline too sky high? I was just so grateful to be on a boat. I'm thinking, I'm on the boat, happy days.

59:11And you've got recording devices. I've got recording devices. I'm thinking, I've dropped one of my cameras in the sea, but I've just thought, sod it, I'm on the boat now. I'm not bothered, you know. I literally bought that, especially for the trip, and it was in the sea, but I was that happy to be on the boat after that long. I thought, you know what, we're nearly here now. You know, we're documenting the process. The police are just on the beach. They are coming a bit close. Next thing you know, I'm looking down to the boat. I'm looking at the hull, and the hull's got this sort of, you know, it's got a bit of a weird shape, and I'm thinking, that doesn't look right.

59:40That doesn't look right. Something not right there. And then the engine kept cutting out. we're drifting more towards the beach, basically. We're going to be beached on the beach. I'm thinking there's a lot of people on this boat here. That engine's tiny. He's revving its knackers off that and we're not moving anywhere. So, all of a sudden, next thing you know, one of the police has just seen him running into the war, so I'm thinking, what's going on? I didn't know what was going on in that moment, and next thing you know, he just whips out his knife, sticks it in the dinghy, rips it down the back of it, and obviously, I look to my left, I'm sat on the right side of the boat, look to my left, and there's just a load of police there pointing guns at us, like loads of them.

1:00:24so at that moment first thing that goes through my head is like oh I don't fancy getting shot by not even a real gun I thought I wonder if it's rubber bullets or something you know I thought I don't fancy that so you know I just started running everyone else was running and yeah the police popped it and did the police make any arrests they arrested one guy yeah they arrested one guy at gunpoint and you know he was slammed down to the beach he had his arms behind his back and he was handcuffed so out of 80 people on the boat one guy arrested On the dinghy, they made one arrest. And also, out of curiosity, out of the 80 people that were on the dinghy, how many women and children were on there?

1:01:01On that particular one, there was probably about six kids and I'd probably say about four women. So there were children on that dinghy? On that one, yeah, because there was five kids with one family. Right. So that was like, you know, but they were with us. They were with me all night from the moment I left the camp, those kids. and they just didn't have a clue. They didn't have a clue what they were walking into. I mean, I'm sort of sat there looking at this family. You know, one woman's bottle feeding. I couldn't see, you know, how old the kid was because it had a sheet over the kid. But one woman's bottle feeding, you know, the kid that she's holding.

1:01:41So, you know, it's got to be a baby, hasn't it? And the other ones are just sort of sat there dead, quietly being told off, keep quiet, don't make any noise. and that moment stuck with me to be honest that moment stuck with me because i'm i'm looking at these kids thinking hang on a second if something goes bad out at sea none of this family have got a life jacket you know although i'm although i'm recording this and i'm trying to find out what's happened you know i've got a duty you know i've got a duty care to not let these kids die do you know what i mean imagine that being on your conscience totally and you and you suspect also so that they're not fleeing war.

1:02:17I mean, these were Sudanese, so there's a chance that there is a civil war in Sudan. But Calais is not the closest place of refuge, is it? Well, that's it. Yeah, you know, that's the key point. This is my bone of contention. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Whoever comes over the channel, if you're bringing kids, you're putting them in grave danger. Especially without a life jacket. And you're not fleeing war from Calais. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I'm looking at these kids thinking, your family, your mum and dad's not got a life jacket on, your uncle or whoever that is hasn't got a live track kit the second you kids go in that water you're going to be panicking and it's going to be chaos I'm thinking I hope this boat doesn't go down because this is going to end up being a horrific situation there's one thing that you hear about on the news like two women have died on a dinghy I'm pretty sure most people will agree sometimes you read a headline and it's hard to grasp the reality of how horrific that moment must have been I'm literally sort of thinking about, I'm thinking this through my head looking at these kids thinking I hope I don't have to, I hope nothing goes wrong because otherwise I'm going to be stuck with that for the rest of my life, you know what I mean?

1:03:24Watching these kids drown and everybody drown in the sea so I'm starting to get a bit stressed about that in my own head before we got on the boat so yeah, the boat had no chance of getting across the channel anyway the engine was knackered and that That for me is the reason why the police decided to pop it. And also, like you said, again, it's a bit of pantomime. Did they know that that boat wasn't going to get across? So they thought, we'll launch this one and let the police think they've had one. Yeah. There's no way that engine was ever going to push that dinghy over the channel. It was too small.

1:03:57So for me, again, it's just, they go coppers. We'll let you have, we'll give you, we'll throw you a bit of something. Well, the thing that made me think, well, that's definitely pantomime. Was it the next day that you got on the next boat where you were successful? Yeah, the next day, and also the difference was on the next day, the engine was totally different. It was like, you know, it was like the engines, all the engines that are in the home office compound, it was the exact same as that. So I'm looking at this thing thinking, oh, I know a few of those engines have made it over. The dinghy looks in good nick, and there's not that many people on it.

1:04:32So there was a great difference between both vessels and engines, if you like. And was there the same police presence as there was the day before? So we walked down to the shorelines, walk slash run, because they were that excited to get down there. And obviously they're a lot better runners. And I'm assuming in the morning, sorry to interrupt, I'm assuming in the morning your handler gave you the nod. Yes. We're there, we're doing it again. So as we'd left that sort of punching dinghy, get to the afternoon, they get a bottle of JD, I'm just knackered anyway. So I'm lying on the beach, wake up five hours later with a bit of sunburn.

1:05:07and I've got no shoes, I've lost half my clothes and to be fair, you know, he'd come and brought me some food, one of the lads, oh come on, let's have some food, we need food, let's go and get somewhere to get some rest. But to them, to get some rest is like, you know, put your life jacket down as your pillow and sleep in a park. So again, we're in a park in Calais, I don't know if you've seen that big building that all the migrants stand outside of, it's got the big spire and there's a park opposite that, we just slept in the park there on the grass it was it was freezing it was horrific to be fair but yeah so anyway next thing you know i've gone to the car say 12 at night start to charge my devices because i'm running on literally battery packs that's right and your car that was parked away from the camps obviously nobody knew about it nobody knew your handler didn't know about it so you'd go back and forth charge your devices report back home yeah that's it so i've gone i've gone there, whacked the heaters on, I thought just have a bit of a moment to myself and charge everything.

1:06:06Imagine if you'd have been called by one of them. Oh, well, you know, I'd fallen asleep, I'd fallen asleep and I woke up, obviously my phone was ringing, I woke up in a bit of a panic thinking, you know, has anybody walked past and seen me, do you know what I mean? Anyway, sure enough, it was all okay, it was Ali ringing me to say, brother, where have you gone, where have you gone? He'd woken up from his sort of drunken stupor and it must have been sort of similar sort time half two three in the morning come back come back we've we've got game we've got they call it game um when you get the boat so i'm thinking i'm like pulling myself together heading back down to the park a couple of minutes walk from where where we slept and um yeah that was it get your life jackets pack the bags we're going we're going so we walked for miles and miles to the big calais hospital camp we picked up a group of people there they did the he lined them up he rang the smuggler and he put each one of them on FaceTime and said the names so that was the way of them being checked if they can go onto the boat right then we're headed towards Cali train station we all got on the train station and we all got on the train at the station and we're headed down towards Bologna Samar now he told me where we were getting the boat from and I knew which stop we needed to get off and which bus we needed to get because I've done I've done all the routes that many times following the migrants around so i'm saying brother we need to get off at this at this we need to get off at this stop he's like no don't worry don't worry anyway we missed the stop we're supposed to get off at because because he got it wrong and we ended up going to further down the coast we couldn't get back up because it was there was no trains available for hours and who pays for all this public transport so there were some free buses there were some paid buses and the trains And what happens is, obviously, you're supposed to pay for the trains.

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1:09:33It would be so much harder for, because none of them pay me, the odd one in a blue moon might buy a ticket for a couple of them. But I've only seen that once. If they stopped the use of public transport, then it would stop the illegal smuggling routes. There's just so many signs that indicate it's done by design, it's purposeful, everyone's complicit, the whole criminal machine of it from start to finish. Well, you see the police, they're always stood at the train stations. They never do anything. They never do anything. You know, they just watch people go by. You know, I've been searched at a train station before.

1:10:10I mean, I've been searched loads by the French police over there. They're always stopping me. But yeah, they never do anything. They just search you. It's just trying to create you a hassle. If they think you're following the migrants as well and they know you're not a migrant, they'll search you just to delay you. They're probably more worried about journalists than they are migrants. Yeah. They don't want the truth to get out, do they? No. So anyway, so you're approaching the second thing of this time. So we're approaching this woodland and it's just thick, dense undergrowth. and, you know, legs cut to pieces.

1:10:44It wasn't pleasant at all. 80 miles I did on that last day from waking up to getting to the boat and, you know, we're looking above us. Police drones right above us. So you knew we were there. Police choppers, Navy ships, always with these dinghies. I've never seen a dinghy not accompanied by either a NATO ship or a French Navy ship. So, yeah, eventually it's sort of getting more and more in line I'm watching the Navy ship on the Marine traffic app as well. So I'm watching that get close to us. I can sort of tell how far away it is from us on that. And I've just said to him, I said, we need to go.

1:11:19He said, there's no police on that beach for miles and miles and miles now. The drone's above us so it knows where we are. So he rings a smuggler and he said, go to sea now. So as soon as we get that call, everyone's just like made up. You know what I mean? You've been trekking for hours. Everyone's dehydrated and you just sort of bomb it along the beach and you're thinking, this is great, there's no police anywhere, we can see the dinghy, going to be in the water soon, happy days. And to be honest, it was quite a calm sort of situation for us to get on the boat because we had the freedom of as much beach in time as we wanted.

1:11:58Was it as packed as it was the first time? No, there was probably about 15 people on there. So we had a group of about 20. We all piled on. and yeah, the smugglers were on there. So the smugglers are always on the boats. They launch them and guide them and they teach the boat driver who is a migrant himself, but they put like a disguise on. So they teach them how to drive the boat. They have one guy who's on the maps so you know which direction to go in. I mean, it's fairly obvious most of the time. You can see the UK from France. So we're on the boat at this point. it's all fairly calm I've got the Ray-Bans videoing bits and bobs I'm thinking I can't believe I'm actually on the boat and we're on the way this is this is like you know it's happening it's happening you know I'm thinking I've got my life jacket on anyway there's a navy ship there as we started getting a bit further along the coast a little sort of rib search and rescue boat pulls up he's got a load of life jackets on he's handing all the migrants life jackets um and yeah it's all is all very calm and very relaxed.

1:13:02So we go to the last pickup, and I'm just looking at the beach. There's hundreds of people in life jackets on the beach. And by this stage, there's 35 of you, the smugglers, and the driver. So there's about 40 on our boat, yeah, including the smugglers. And I'm just thinking if those lot get on, this is going to be uncomfortable. This is going to be bloody uncomfortable over the channel. Anyway, sure enough, he's had a disagreement with someone on the phone, and he's sort of shouting here and there in Iranian. So he's sort of shouting, you know, anyway, bits of English are coming out like, well, we're not going today.

1:13:39I'll just park this on the beach. We're not going. So I'm thinking, what's going on here? What's going on? Anyway, he decides to abort that last visit, which was bizarre because what happens is on the last visit, always the smugglers get off as the last people get on. So that's the way they do it. That's the way the smugglers get off. and then what they do is they do it sort of sneakily to pretend that they were part of the group and it didn't get on. And then they get off, go back to shore, pretend that, oh, my family, where's my family gone? Well, they were never with the family. They just got off the boat and they're ready to do the next one the next day.

1:14:14So that's how the smugglers operate. So then very bizarrely, I'm thinking, well, if you've aborted the visit, I guess you must be coming over to the UK all the way then. And anyway, sure enough, the search and rescue boat pulls up and, you know, and he shouts over, he says, four people want to get off, four people want to get off. Is this the French police? It's like the French sort of search and rescue. It's not the actual police. The police did show up once he'd said four people want to get off to the search and rescue. And how far out were you by this stage? We're a good hundred metres off the coastline now.

1:14:51And, you know, we're sort of starting to make our way over a little bit. not too fast though, we're sort of pondering about while the smugglers are sort of saying, you know, waiting to get their lift back. Anyway, the police turns up, he says, I hear four people want to get off, and they've got their bow pressed on our bow of the boat, and we're just being spun in circles, we've got no power to turn or go anywhere, they're just taking us in a gentle circle, totally in control of our boat, while they're talking to us. And then what happens is, they said, right, the four people get off, is there anybody else who wants to get off it's very choppy out there this is your last chance the best way to go to the UK today is to go back to France and not go at all you know that's the sort of things they were saying to us obviously you know once you've got on that boat you've tried that hard to get to that point and you know you might have gone down to the beach a few times and for whatever reason you know you might not have been picked up so there's no way there's no way you're choosing to not go over the channel when you're on that boat.

1:15:54More pantomime. Exactly. So these four smugglers are now on the police boat. They get a lift back. So, I mean, we're followed actually out a bit further. Search and Rescue come all the way over the channel with us to the halfway point. The police dropped off after about 10 minutes or so once they realised that no one definitely wanted to get off. Navy ship, big red Navy ship, that's all the way over to the half point with us. that I mean that was even sort of I mean it was even sort of going in in positions where I'm sort of thinking I wonder why it's in that position um sort of in front of us a little bit what it was doing was it was shielding the direction of the waves from us so it was almost acting as like a wave break do you know what I mean for the dinghy um so yeah we get to um we get to that you know we've been going for hours let me tell you I mean I even fell to sleep at some point in the bottom of the boat fell to sleep for half an hour because it's just that long, cold and painstakingly boring.

1:16:54You know, everyone just sat there quiet, just getting it inside their head with waves and wind. Was it seven hours before Border Force met you? Yeah, yeah. I had an earache for days, you know, from being hit by the wind in the side of the head. I've got to say, just before you tell me about that experience and then the Border Force experience, I'm sure everyone is interested in that part more than saying that. The whole thing is beyond belief, and it's extremely interesting. But just for me to echo what you said, just so I can believe it. The police have actually pulled alongside a dinghy full of illegal migrants and said, who wants to get off?

1:17:33We can take you back. And the smugglers were the ones that got on, and they ferried the smugglers back and let everybody else just carry on. Yeah, I mean, that was it. That's wild. So blatant. Yeah, but the interesting thing about that for me is that in that moment, if they had wanted to push us back or tow us back, you know, they could have done. And did you get this all on camera? Oh, I've got it on camera, yeah, I've got it on camera. So there's evidence for this as well? Exactly, exactly. They're not going to like you? No, I don't think I'll be going back to France for a while. No, so sorry.

1:18:06So you're on the dinging out for seven hours and you're making way. Did you at any stage think, or I could be, you know, is it choppy? Did you think you could die? Was there fear? What was the atmosphere like on there? I mean, yeah, obviously a few of them have noticed me going on the app and sort of seeing how far the Border Force boat was because most boats you can track on the marine traffic app. So I'm tracking that, seeing how far I'm thinking because it's just so boring. You know, you're trying to sort of keep yourself occupied. A few people sort of, you know, a few people sort of chatting in their own language, but no one really, I didn't, no one spoke English enough apart from a couple of words to be able to have a conversation.

1:18:46So apart from a few hand signals and smiles to each other, that's it. You know, it's seven hours of boredom. And don't get me wrong, some of the sights are quite nice, you know, the waves hitting against the boats and just looking around, looking at the perspective of, but you start getting that cold, you're thinking, you know, hang on a second, like, if I go in that water, I've got a few hours of being cold, but I'm already exhausted, like, you know, but then all you have to do is look over to the big Navy ship and the search and rescue and think, well, you're going to be rescued anyway. So I think we were the only boat that set off that day.

1:19:28If, say, eight boats set off in one day, which sometimes they do, you know, like they had that day where I think about seven boats set off in one day, you know, you can see how something would go wrong because the search and rescue would probably be over-faced in that moment. but yeah you know we get to the point now you can see the halfway boy as well which is quite a fascinating thing there's a boy that marks halfway so you sort of you're seeing that you know once you start getting closer to that you can see our border force sat waiting on the English side waiting for you so you know you cross over to that they start shouting they shout right turn the engine off turn the engine off obviously the boat driver is still driving the boat at this point and if he gets caught he is Ban for smuggling.

1:20:11Yeah, he's part of the smuggling operation. So what happens is everyone sort of, he knocks the engine off, everyone huddles round him so that no one can see. So they're all huddled round him, and I caught the start of this on the glasses. He drops to the floor, whips all his clothes off, puts a live jacket back on, and then sits up like just normal like that. So then from another vessel, they can't see which one was driving the boat, which one had the disguise on. and I'm sure they could work it out by process of elimination by taking pictures of all the faces, but they're just not that bothered.

1:20:45That's an easy, yeah. Exactly. You'd interrogate everyone on the boat, wouldn't you? Yeah, I mean, if they flew a drone down to it, there'd be one guy that's appeared that wasn't in the original picture. Now, whether that's enough proofs for a prosecution, I don't know, but there's got to be ways and means around that for the authorities. but again, the authorities have no desire to stop this. It's more pantomime, isn't it? Exactly. So then obviously it pulls up, they hold these signs up, and they're like, right, this is, you know, who speaks English, who speaks English? Obviously, I didn't say me.

1:21:16So who speaks English? They hold these signs up. The migrants follow the instructions that's on the sign on how to tie the boat on safely. The boat gets tied on. You get pulled up alongside the ship, which let me tell you, when that Border Force vessel pulls up next to you on a dinghy, it's like, wow, it's quite imposing really. And what were they like on the whole? I mean, the second I stepped foot onto the Border Force boat, the guy said to me, you're on the wrong boat. So he clocked up. In straightaway, you know, I've got sunburned there from all the times I fall asleep and been on the boat for seven hours.

1:21:47Did you hold back as well to make sure you were one of the last people to get onto the Border Force boat? Yeah, they were all flapping to get off. They were like, oh, you know, there's a big panic to get off. I'm thinking, we're tied to the Border Force boat. Nothing's going wrong here. You know, even if it does, they're here. What's the problem? They're all like panicking to get off. Next thing you know, we're on the Border Force boat. They're all being seasick. They're asking for bags. And it's just, I mean, the chaos was just unbelievable. Again, you know, then they're all sort of running to the edge with the seasick bags and the sick spraying out.

1:22:18It was just horrible. Do Border Force treat the migrants like they're fleeing war or like they're criminals? The Border Force, give them a bottle of water. They take your decathlon life jacket off you, you put the Border Force one on, they tell you there's an effect of a bus stop at the front of the boat. They walk you to the front of the boat, sit down there and they just observe you. You don't really communicate with them in that moment. What's the process from there though? And when they discovered that you were English and who you were, surely by the time you're on there you feel a sense of relief, like I've done it.

1:22:54When I'm on there, I'm just like, wow at least I'm safe now at least I'm on the way home but in my there I'm thinking we're here we've done it yeah happy days me I'm thinking how do I get past this next stage you know this is another stage now for me ah well was you in your plan was you not prepared to get on that get onto the border force boat and say okay this is who I am this is what I've done or was you planning on I wanted to get into a hotel I wanted to get into a hotel that's what I wanted to do you was going to go all the way yeah Now, I was never going to take, just for the record, and any authorities who might see this, I was never going to take any food or anything like that or not leave the money for the bed, not pay for the bed that I'd stayed in.

1:23:37I wasn't going to abuse taxpayer funds. We were going to pay for everything if we'd have got to that stage. Now, obviously, we didn't. And the reason why we didn't is because, to be fair to the Border Force, the operatives there are running a tight ship. They are bang on. You know, you step off that boat, there's cameras flashing in your face. There's interforce, which are like the extra border force without the police powers of the border force. So there's interforce, border force, and police lined up, and they are staring at you. Cameras are flashing, you know, they're getting their evidence for whatever reason, you know, just in case.

1:24:15And you walked into a line, and you basically said, they check your large size nines, whatever, flip-flops and prison clothes, basically. And it's all done like that, really quick. You don't even know what's going on, to be honest. Next thing they pass in your clothes, right, go to that cubicle, get changed. Just before I've gone to the cubicle, the woman went, here, mate, where are you from? I'm sort of like, oh, shit, what do I do? I'm being clocked here now, I'm being clocked. I'm finding it quite funny, though, do you know what I mean? Because it's just a bizarre situation. so I'm like me tired me sleepy you know in a daft accent and then I thought this is not working she went wait where were you born mate so I just started shrugging my shoulders at this point thinking oh what can they do then so I'm shrugging my shoulders she turns around to her mate and says we've just rescued them and this is how they treat us it really pisses me off they won't even answer our questions anyway her mate turns around to her and goes listen whatever her name was I'm telling you he's British, he's British, he's not foreign, he's British.

1:25:24So I know they're well on to me at this point. So I'm getting changed in this cubicle. I'm just absolutely in hysterics. I'm laughing, I'm laughing, and I'm just trying to compose myself, get a straight face, come back out. I'm like, right, you over there straight away, you over there. And obviously I've just listened to what they're saying. I've reacted to what they're saying. So they're analysing all this. They know they've just told me something in English and I've done it. So it's so much harder to do than what I originally thought. And then they show me the chart, point to your flag, obviously British flag, because I can't lie in that situation because then I am breaking the law.

1:26:03So I've just had to go British flag, age 35. And yeah, sure enough, she says, what the hell's going on, mate? What the hell's going on? You said, you told me you were born in Manchester. You've just pointed to the British flag. You're putting a funny accent on. What's going on? I said, well, I've just invaded Great Britain, haven't I? Who says Halloween only lasts one day? With Wayfair, one night of Halloween becomes a whole season at home. From larger-than-life yard decor and moody lighting to festive accents for every room in the house, Wayfair has what you need to make Halloween feel like magic all in one place.

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1:27:22Well, touch wood, my door's not being taken off yet. And not because people have done things wrong, but because they don't like people to speak the truth. So I'm thinking, well, I best just come clean here, treat them with respect and all the rest of it. I said, listen, I'm a journalist. I'm trying to save my country. I'm trying to help save my country. I'm trying to find the truth. And I thought this was a pretty important sort of piece to the jigsaw. and she just turned out she said bloody hell she said you've made me day she said you made me day she said this this is mental she said i can't believe you've done this i can't believe you've gone to this land i said well you know this is what people have got to do because the government's not doing anything she said i've got to be impartial and she did really well to be fair to make herself you know well to be impartial but one thing i will say is nobody no human on earth really can hide frustration and i could pick up on their frustration of having to deal with this load of nonsense, you know, if not every day, at least every other day.

1:28:19Do you think border force are compromised? I think border force are doing the best they can, but I think their hands are tied behind the backs by the government. So because of political ideology, if you said to border force, right, I'm not bothered about political party or anything, all your job is to keep these borders safe and don't let anybody in who shouldn't be here. I believe in those people in Dover that would do that. I believe they would do that. I believe we would be in safe hands. You know, they wanted to do the jobs. They were doing them to the maximum of their ability. And I have confidence in them.

1:28:57And the system that they ran was clinical. The issue is that what they are told to do with the migrants, as opposed to put them on a boat and send them back, they're told to put them in a bus and send them to a hotel by the government. So, you know, the book stops with the government and it's due to political ideology and government policy on why they can't do their job properly. But, yeah, I mean, counter-terror copper comes over. He sort of, like, sees my face. He recognises me from the first documentary. We have a right laugh at him. He's like, oh, buddy, I've seen the documentary. Shakes my hand.

1:29:35So I had a good time with it. They got me loads of snacks, hot drinks and stuff because it took me a while to thaw out. I bet they were desperate for your intelligence, weren't they? Well, I've got a meeting actually next week with Home Office Intelligence. So on one hand, the Home Office have labelled me a reckless individual. Quite ironically, on the other hand, I've got the Home Office Intelligence who wants to come and speak to me through voluntary to gather my intelligence about the situation. Yeah, funny that. Not quite reckless enough for them not to want your intelligence. Exactly. Yeah, and I think you're the only person that's ever done this, aren't you?

1:30:12Yeah, no British man's done this. And, you know, I probably would advise no one to give it a go. I think I was, I think I found some pretty lucky circumstances, you know, to keep myself safe and alive, really. You know when you set out to do this? Yeah. When you put your mission together? It must cross your mind. Was you prepared to die and was you prepared to kill at any stage? Was I prepared to die? I guess the way I would probably see it in my own head is like, you know, the way that this country is going is that if more people don't stand up and become more vocal and more active, then we're all either going to die fighting or, you know, be killed.

1:30:54You know, we're all going to die one way in a pretty barbaric, horrific way. You know, and this country is not going to be saved if more people don't stand up. So the way I see it is that I'm just doing my bit. But, you know, I actually walked around the war grave a couple of months back in Belgium, and it reduced me to tears. I was reading these gravestones, and I got to one gravestone. It was a Commonwealth war grave, so there were British lads. You know, Lancaster Fusiliers, stuff like that. You know, gunner. I get to this one, and it's like a soldier of the war. He was obviously that badly, in that bad of a situation that they couldn't tell who this bloke was.

1:31:33you know this lad was you know there's 16 year old lad 17 year old lad and all these blokes lay there dead and guess what's next to this war commonwealth war grave there's a military base but guess what the military base is being turned into a migrant camp of course it is and that's in belgium now we'll say about the belgians they are taking it seriously and i spoke to the governor so the mayor of the north coast of belgium he does not want this at all um he's well on our side and And he actually turned around and said, you know, he said, you shouldn't be paying the French to sort this out. You know, you don't pay us to sort it out.

1:32:08And we managed to sort it out. Well, here's the thing. We've paid France half a billion pound for them to police and deal and correct the situation. And the police are turning up willy-nilly, slashing boats for a bit of pantomime because you still managed to do it the following morning. They must have known what was going to go on. So how did your mission, your journey end? and ball de force, I take it, the migrants went one way and you went another. Yeah, so I got a lift. She said, listen, fair play to you, I'll give you a lift down to the Premier Inn. So she gave me a lift. Obviously, it wasn't a paid-for one.

1:32:43I wouldn't have taken it anyway, but they've all gone to, I can't really say where, but they've all been given a lift to a hotel. And yeah, that's where they stayed. That's where they still are now. And they just dropped you off and that was it? They just dropped me off and she just said, you know, fair play to you. And that was it. I went to bed and woke up the next morning. And then obviously I was faced with the challenge of picking my car and my passport back up from France. Now, on the way back, someone had gone to pick up my passport and my car for me. And on the way back, as always, you know, the ironic thing is, as always, when you get back from France, from doing something like that, the Border Force are all over you.

1:33:30I mean, they sent a sniffer dog through my car, you know, they have the sniffer dog in the boot and everything. Obviously, nothing was found. But the point is, why do they have to go to those lengths for people who do have a passport and do have a visa and a right to be in the country, but then anybody else, it's fingerprints and, yeah, get yourself to an hotel. It's wrong. It really is wrong. And have you got any plans or ideas for a third mission? have you got the bug yeah I mean listen you know I do think to myself where do I go from here because you know eventually one of these missions is going to result in death you know if I get it wrong and that's a genuine sort of feeling and fear that I do have you know at what point do I draw the line but that line's not going to be drawn for quite a long while yet so so yeah I think there's just so much to look at isn't there I mean there's so many things in our world or in our country that's wrong, it's sort of where do you start and where do you go with it?

1:34:31Which one do you pick? What will you do? Take a little bit of time out, gather your thoughts and then... Yeah, I think so. I think I need to land back down on earth first, probably have a bit of a holiday. Don't forget your passport, do it legally. Yeah, that's it. And yeah, there's loads of stuff that I do want to investigate. It all boils down to money. I mean, we've set up, we've obviously set up Watchmen Media, Watchmen on socials, it's Watchmen Raw. But because of the way we post, which is only, we don't really do long films. We don't really get anything off YouTube. It's very hard for us to fund these investigations.

1:35:07Very, very hard. We'll put all of your social media tags in the description so that anybody that wants to follow Christian's work. I mean, there has been no work quite like it. So we'll put all your social media tags. I encourage all of my subscribers and all the different followers that follow my work to go and follow your work. Yeah, I appreciate that. I can see it in your eye. This isn't the end. And I really hope you stay safe moving forward. And the final question is, from somebody that's been inside the camps, they've done the entire journey from start to finish. You've been with the smugglers, the handlers, the crack smokers, the whole criminality of it.

1:35:44You've had guns thrown above your head. You've been warned you're going to be killed. You've been told the mafia is part of it, the Taliban. So with all those things considered, and with all your intelligence piled up, which is pretty high, would the boats be easy to actually stop? It's not hard for those dinghies to be pushed back. You don't need a big vessel. You don't need a warship. You can just get some of these little tugboats. They'll easily be able to push these boats back. You know, you're lying a few tugs up across the coast. You'd be spending less than what we are on hotel fees. Anyway, that's for sure.

1:36:18But just paying tugboats to push them back. Now, eventually you'd probably get a few armed ones getting pissed off with it and firing. But eventually as well, you'd stop having the flow of people. I mean, same with the public transport. If you stop the migrants from using the public transport, eventually the migrants would get bored of having to trek or not being able to get to the dinghy when it's taken off. There are so many ways in which it could be stopped. For me to sit here and list them all now, I'd send you to sleep. But one thing I will say for sure is it could be stopped tomorrow. It literally could be stopped tomorrow.

1:36:55They're my thoughts exactly. Mate, I know you've had a hectic few days, weeks. I know that everybody wants their pound of flesh out of you because there's no bigger story at the moment. And I tip my hat for your bravery. Wish you all the best and all the luck in the world. And stay safe, man. Appreciate that. Cheers, mate.