Migrants ATTACK Swingers Club Boss | Cultural Differences in Adult Industry: Kerry Voellner

22:32Assimilation. Absolutely. That is what you, you know, my nephew, Jean-Paul, he's a black man. He's just come out of university. He's going to America to, you know, to study law. I've never been so proud. That is what integration looks like. Not people being scared to go out on their own streets in case your kid gets kidnapped. No. It needs to stop. And I'm not being funny, but some of the things I've seen on that door, I mean, even like some of the questions we get on our screening online is ridiculous. You know, I played you a voice recording before, didn't I? Have you know somebody thinking he's going to get to a girl in my club?

23:08It is important that I put, because obviously we can't publish that. Yeah. Because if it jeopardises the case, I don't want to be responsible for that. But I want the viewers and listeners to take note that I've listened to what Kerry brought in. I've seen CCTV footage. I've listened to voice notes of phone recordings of men, clearly foreign men, asking if there's girls available. Not ladies, not women, girls, which is, I believe this is what's inspired you to want to come and share your story with me. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, you know, people are ringing up, you know, do you have girls for me?

23:44Well, that question in itself, come on, Liam, what are we dealing with? And that's not to say that white middle-aged men don't do the same, but it's okay to speak about them. Yes, yes. No one's scared to call out the nonce white guy. Yeah. And so they shouldn't be, but the rules should apply across the board. Yeah, exactly. You know, I'm not saying we don't have problems with white guys. We have, but when we're sat back looking at it from a very top level, 90 % of the issues are with people of foreign origin. Now, Lily Phillips, she's not foreign. Why did you fall out of her? I've not fell out with her.

24:18I've never met the girl, but I had an email from her PA. Could she perform at my club? And the answer was a clear no. Because what Lily Phillips and Bonnie Blue are doing isn't swinging. It is so far from swinging, it couldn't be any further. But what they are doing is they are sending the wrong message out, what swinging is. And again, it brings it back to, you know, miscommunication. You've got people coming over on votes and they're getting given phones, okay? Then they're obviously going to go on Facebook. Now, I went through about a month of every time I went on Facebook, seeing that Bonnie Blue's face, and I'm getting to the point where I just want to smack her, and she's probably a really nice girl.

24:56But I'm don't, you know, when you're doom scrolling, Bonnie Blue, Lily Phillips, these guys are coming off votes. Bonnie, you're giving the wrong message, all white girls like all that. I don't be surprised if Lily Phillips and Bonnie Blue's name isn't cited in gang-raping cases in court in the future because you are sending the wrong message out to women. Now, this email was, can she perform? And I just said, no, we won't facilitate that because I don't have to give any kind of explanation. And then the woman challenged me, can you tell us why for future reference? Well, yeah, because it won't be a future reference because you're not coming to my club and it's completely not what swinging is.

25:31And here's the thing, they were only bringing one actor and she wanted my members to be part of it. Oh really? Yes really and I can show you that email as well Liam because that whole thing is staged. For somebody who manages big scale events of a thousand people or more and have done for a very long time I'm telling you none of them are slept with a thousand people. It's absolute bullshit. Very very cleverly staged I'll give them that but it's bullshit but while they're doing all this demonization you know again it's dripping and down to businesses like me. I had an inquiry yesterday. You know, we've been looking in the swinging scene.

26:05No, you've not even been looking at Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips, nothing to do the swinging scene. And we'd like to ask you a question. I'm like, go on. I always know where it's going. So I said, go on, lad. I said, you know, we do newbie nights every Thursday if you want to come and meet me. No, me and my girlfriend have been talking. We'd like to get involved, but we'd like to bring her mum. The answers are clear, no. So basically he's asking me, can he bring his girlfriend and his girlfriend's mum for a threesome at my club? No, Paul, you can't. It's incest and it's disgusting. And all these inquiries have only seemed to have risen up since them two have been parading themselves online.

26:38And here's the other one, Liam, both saying you're pregnant at the same time. Well, that's funny because you're suddenly not pregnant anymore. You know, what happened? Did you both have a miscarriage at the same time? Did you both have abortions at the same time? Or are you both lying through your back teeth for media publicity and likes. I know it's the latter. But you've got women out there who can't have children. You know, when you're parading yourself all over, a thousand baby daddies and all that, it's really, really grotty journalism. And even the people who are printing it should actually be looking at themselves now thinking, you know, it's not news, that, is it?

27:09It's not news. It's debauchery and degrading to women. And that's from somebody who owns a sex club. Well, here we go. You own a sex club. You're a swinger by your own admission. Where do we draw the line with this modern-day degeneracy? I totally understand that's a very good question. The swinging environment draws the line because it's all private and indoors. But where is the line? You know, you've got privacy and you've got people who won't like myself. Okay, I'll use myself as an example. I'm very happily single. I'm a career lady. I don't want a relationship. I have a couple of couples I have a bit of fun with.

27:39I'd call myself a soft swinger. But I don't go and parade myself publicly going and, you know, doing all kinds of porn and stuff. There's nothing wrong with porn. You know, I've got a lot of friends who are porn stars. But when you're actually lying and you're getting to a point of you're scraping the bottom of the barrel, you're wanting to put yourself in a cage to be in a petting zoo. Come on, there's got to be a line. That is a line. That has nothing to do with swinging. You know, swinging is behind closed doors. What they're doing is not. And it's public parading just for degradation. There's a big difference.

28:08There's a huge difference. Your whole take on the whole Lily Phillips and Bonnie Blue thing. Yeah. You're not the first person to say that. Let's get it right. Let's put it to the bones. I'm a woman who owns a sex club. and if the sex clubs don't want you, what's that saying, darling? You mentioned to me that you get or you have been mistaken for a prostitute yourself. Yeah, we get that a lot. I mean, you've met my best mate who's outside the studios. We stand outside the club and people drive past like, hey, prostitute, and I go, swing it, you da. Like that. And then the Turkish lads will be like, go on.

28:40It's quite funny because I actually got mildly attacked a couple of years ago, some fan who'd got a bit obsessed and I'm actually on the door of the club and he had a Zimmer frame of all fucking things and he tried to attack me with his Zimmer frame. I'm coming in. I'm like, no, you're not. The Turkish lads come out, seeing what had happened and one of them baits him and said, I think you better go pal before we remove you sort of thing. And he looked at him and I looked at him. So they all look at, you know, we look after each other sort of thing. And it's very, like I say, it's very, very, very strange.

29:12You'll have to come one day. If you're ever in Manchester, still have to come and visit us. But like I say, my whole street is multicultural. I'll have to bloody decline. Yeah, I get free membership, Liam. But, you know, everybody looks after each other and they know, you know, they just see me as a businesswoman. And that was one of the things I was very conscious of when I thought the business because of how multicultural the street was. You know, are we going to be accepted? Are people going to think this? And we couldn't have been accepted more, you know. And my landlord's a Kurdish guy, you know, and he loves what we do, you know.

29:42So we are very, very, very well integrated. It's a brilliant street we're on. But like I say, there's certain cultures we just cannot let in because they're the way they've acted. And it's not like it's, you know, we've had it a few times. Do you keep a supply of prayer mats in your sex club? Absolutely fucking not. I'll tell you what, I'd probably double my door take if I did. It's like I say, you know, I've took hits on my door. I've took hits of thousands on my door. So, you know, even like we're saying culturally screen, it comes to, you know, British lads, I'm not letting the stag do crew in, you know, because they're not there to swing.

30:18They're there because they think they're getting a shag. There's a totally, totally different thing. So your establishment isn't a covert brothel? No, absolutely not. As far from it as you could think it is. I'd say it's more of a social club with a bit of a kinky twist. With a twist? Yeah, yeah. So all members are free to sleep with one another if they feel the need? If they want to. Like I say, most people know each other. Do you get any awkward situations where someone wants to and the other doesn't really fancy them and it's a bit like... Oh, that happens all the time. Yeah, that happens all the time.

30:44That's dynamics, but I don't really get involved with that. I provide the facilities. I do the entertainment. We do things like Kerry's Kinky Quiz on a Thursday. You know, when your job entails knowing how many calories of sperm are in a teaspoon, you know you've hit gold and you'd say the question, you know, how many calories are in a teaspoon of sperm? You see all the women doing this. But yeah, we do the Kinky Quiz. We do Buttplug Bingo. We do all sorts, you know. Butt plug bingo. Yeah, that was just a name we came up with and it stuck. We don't use butt plugs or anything. You might win a packet of butt plugs for winning, you know.

31:19We do all sorts and it's very, very entertainment value. People, I mean, we have a lot of straight people, a lot of non-swingers in our environment and they come because they love the lifestyle. You know, we went to an awards night on Friday. I took 32 people with me and about half of them weren't swingers. They just love the lifestyle, love what we've achieved. Just a bunch of perverts, isn't they? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I have some of my brothers working for me. You know, they'll work behind the bar. They won't leave the bar. It's not their scene. They won't leave the bar, but they love the bar.

31:47They love the people. What's a swing-a-thon? Swing-a-thon is the UK's biggest sex festival. So it's basically a festival for everybody in the lifestyle to enjoy themselves, be sexually free. I'm a DJ there. They have lots of DJs, performance stores. It's essentially a festival as like any other, but for the adult world. And I love being part of it. It's honestly the best three days of the year. Was it marquees outside with separate rooms to do your thing? All sorts. All sorts. So you've got all the private marquees because people can obviously prepay for their little tents, whatever they're called, little teepees.

32:23And then we'll have a main stage. We'll have lots of different play tents. People can go and play with each other if they want to. Bars, stalls. So you play a role in it as well? I'm a DJ and an organiser. Yeah, I'm one of the organisers. Well, I'm an assisting organiser. The owners, Matt and Stacey, are two of my best friends. Is there any cultural screening for the Swingathon? Oh, yes, yes. Some of the emails we get. So Matt's biggest job, we've obviously got loads of WhatsApp groups and we get sent all the kind of enquiries that we get. And we had one yesterday. You are bastard. We want that.

32:59And so obviously Matt's saying, you're not, definitely not coming in the festival, mate. And then he just got sent this big barrage of abuse. Very, very broken English. Yeah, we will make sure that you're on certain apps, you've got certain verifications, or you have to be a member of a club. You can't just go into that festival. You wouldn't, with all due respect, you wouldn't just be able to get in. Unless you come in on my recommendation, of course. So it's got to be, you know, recommendation of somebody through a club or through certain verifications. It's very, very strict. You couldn't just get in that festival.

33:29What's the capacity? Might be 1 ,000 this year. I think it's 1 ,000 this year. So the swinging scene is a growing scene? It's massive. It's huge. It's a lot bigger than I ever anticipated when I went into it. It's huge and it's just growing daily. And we do a newbie night every Thursday. We have new couples every single week. And like I say, a lot of people come. And what I say to people is, please don't come into the club with the notions of sex. You're not here to have sex. You are here to meet new friends. learn about an environment and if anything does happen it's a bonus it might not happen for weeks it might not happen at all you know we've had couples who've come in they've really enjoyed you know spending time with us the club and they've said you know it's not really for us this sex side but can we come back as non-swingers of course you can we have it's very ironic because you say from my club a sex club than you are in any club in manchester because we because people if you were not a member on the database bearing in mind if you are a member of the database all your data is captured if you are not a member and you do come in as a guest you have to register your passport and that gets kept for six months and I tell you that gets kept for six months that deterrent on the door stops bullshit behind it it's all about door management and I've learned more about door management in the past three years than anything and I'm actually at a point now where I feel there would be less police call out reps less people getting stabbed spikes and everything if they had adopted this model in every pub and club across Britain nobody had a problem in Covid scanning the phone because they wanted a pint, did they?

34:55Why would people have a problem now? I tell you what, if you brought that, in fact, you brought my structure in, so pubs and clubs across the UK, the crime rate in the pubs would go like that. And I know that because when the police have been in my club and I've shown them the date structure, one of the, it was actually a licensing officer, said to me, he went, do you know what, love? He said, if every establishment run it like this, he went, my job would be easy. Well done. And I do think that business model now, we're at a point where people don't understand our cultures and that's just not in the adult game.

35:21That's just in the normal socialising game. You know, you go to Manchester. I've stopped going out in Manchester now. I don't go out in Manchester. You guarantee every time you go out in Manchester, someone's getting their head kits in, someone's forcing someone to take coke in the toilets, people are stabbing each other. The clubs are pretty empty in Manchester. Like the gay villages, I know it. I was going there for 10 years, 20 years. I worked there practically since being 15, as was the culture then. And it was a vibrant community then. No, it's not. There's lads on bikes. The gay people and the trans people don't feel safe.

35:51Canal Street is nothing like it used to be. Hence why I'm going to recreate a bit of that mine. You know, these problems in pubs and clubs and alcohol being a big thing, you know, is ruining people's social lives. Strip it back to basics, you know. Get people to be accountable and show their ID. If you've got nothing to hide, what's the problem? You know, I honestly think it's a point where this needs to happen in the UK. FX's American Horror Story returns for an unrivaled 13th instalment with the iconic horrors you love to fear and an all-star cast reprising fan-favorite roles. Light your candles, draw your pentagrams, and prepare for a supreme surprise.

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37:21So that's all of them. So what is it you do and what compels you to do that? Well, actually, I'm openly bisexual myself. So when I was 16, I was in the care system. I couldn't live with my parents, long story. I ended up in a place called Walter Greenwood Court, which was run by social services. all the naughty kids went there right in the middle of Salford Precinct it was rough it was rough and my first job was actually working in the gay village as a glass collector at a place called the Hollywood Show Bar by a lady called Julie now I was working for Julie for about two months and I loved her she'd become a second mum she took me under her wing she always told me everything would be okay she paid me a little bit of extra wages she was a mum to me then I seen her on Trisha she used to be called George and I had no idea She'd gone through the whole trans and she then gave me a book from George to Julia.

38:15Anybody can Google this. And she was the most incredible woman I ever met. She collapsed in Canal Street because obviously she'd been through the whole change. They thought, well, she was a woman, so they took her to hospital, give her a D &C because they thought she was having a miscarriage. She wasn't, nearly ripped her insides out. She nearly died. She went to prison mid-trans, got her head kicked in and she came out and she fought and fought and fought to be herself. and I was privileged to be her daughter for a short time. Does that scenario not make you more inclined for men to identify as men irrespective of how they feel because they nearly killed him?

38:51Yeah, right. So I've... Do you know what I mean? If it was called correctly biologically... I get what you mean. I do understand what you mean. But for me, I've got a lot of trans friends, you know, And I don't think us as people can say there's no thing as trans unless it's happened to us. You know, you wouldn't know unless it's happened to you. You know, I've got a trans friend who tried to throw herself in front of a train because she lost all her family and her friends, you know. I've got another trans friend who actually doesn't want peanuts and she cries. I just want it off me. I've got feelings down there.

39:23We can't say there's no such thing as trans unless it's not happened to us. Now, I've worked with trans people for most of my life and I've seen the most harrowing case studies, you know, and I just don't think anybody has a right to say there's no such thing unless it's happened to them. You know, we're not medical scientists, we're not biologists. All this whole new movement, this anti-trans movement, is based on hatred of people who've got no medical or scientific background. You know, writing fairy stories and then you think you've got such a prowess and such a social say in society. What, because you've got money?

39:54You know, we were all all right a couple of months ago and suddenly there's been an attack on the trans. Next thing you know, I won't be allowed to be bisexual. You know, at the end of the day, live and let live. I will provide safe spaces for trans ladies. I've got a massive trans following and that's something I will never, ever stop doing. So do you think a woman can have a penis? Yeah, unless she's got... If a woman is born a woman, is a woman inside and is a man outside, then yeah, until she gets it taken off. I do believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body. I absolutely believe that.

40:25And that's because I've got friends. You know, you have a look in a trans girl's eyes, somebody who's that lost and desperate. I have. I've interviewed a trans man and a trans woman yeah you've seen both sides of it yeah I've interviewed both but I still don't buy into their fantasy well we're going to have to agree to disagree on this Liam we agree on most things we're going to have to agree to disagree on this that's what this show's all about of course it is and that's what I really respect and like about you there'll be people watching this that are that are on the same page as you and there'll be other people saying well of course biologically but this will be good for the comments yeah and I think you know at the end of the day people are entitled to their opinion you know again we don't have to force opinions on people and that's getting back to the kind of the crust of what we're talking about.

41:04You know, people are coming to this country and forcing their objectives onto us. Well, no, you come to the country, you embrace our country. You're very much a live and let live kind of person, aren't you? I am, yeah. And I think, you know, I've been beaten up because of my sexuality. Could I have a vagina? No, because unless you're a woman trapped in a man's body. So if I felt like a woman, could I have a vagina? You could buy them these days, couldn't you? Yeah. Let's change the subject. Go on, we'll move on. Okay, so what does the TQIA stand for? I think it's intersexual and asexual. I don't know.

41:41I've never met. We just open up our doors to anyone. I don't think I've ever met anybody who hits that category, but I'm sure they're out there. And what about the pluses? Is there minor attractive person? Absolutely not. No, that shouldn't even be a thing. The LGBTQ movement, people who just want to live how they live. How I describe this to people, Liam Wright, Say me and you were sat in a restaurant and there's a couple of people sat over there and one of them's a trans lady. We're having a conversation. Does her having that meal affect us? It depends. Does it affect us? Her having that meal over there and us having this conversation, having a meal together, does that affect us?

42:15It depends if it makes my vagina rich. So the answer is no, it doesn't affect it. No, of course it don't. So why does what they do in their life affect us in our lives? I think the bone of contention is people that are trying to ram their beliefs down people's throats. But the trans people out there, they don't want that. Everything, there's a process in marketing. I thought we was moving on from trans. I'm just going to say this one thing. You sat me back in. There's one thing I am going to say about this. Can't you have a penis? I've got a big strap on, yeah. I've got a lovely big collection of them.

42:44I'm in a real one with foreskin and everything. And I wouldn't go that far. One thing I will say, though, is the whole thing has been gamified. So in marketing, there's a thing called gamification where they will make something cartoonised, a bit like they did it in France, they did it with the depictions of Mohammed, didn't they? They gamified it, the cartoon. That's the one, the Charlie Hebdo. Horrendous. They've kind of done the same thing with the trans movement. You know, they're making out that if trans ladies, you know, you're going to get a bloke walking into the toilets where these kids with a wig on and he's suddenly gone from Simon to Susan.

43:19That's the kind of narrative they've gone down. What they've not realised is you've got trans ladies who might have gone through the change 30 years ago and all they ever know is living as a woman and then suddenly you've got to go in a bloke toilet? What, because of someone's hatred and money? It's a mess. So what's your opinion of J.K. Rowling? It doesn't need to be voiced. What about Kelly J. Keene? I love her. I don't know who she is. Oh, she's a marvellous woman. Oh, I've not. She's been here. Oh, is she? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, she's great for females. Yeah, she puts the power back in there.

43:46Not like the Spice Girls did. I mean, she really puts the power into females. You recently won a court case. Yes. Something to do with discrimination? Yes. I know we touched base on that, but let's fire into that. So, as you know, I'm involved with a festival called Swingathon. Matt, the owner, and his wife, Stacey, are two of my closest friends. Now, what happened in 2023, we had the festival all laid out, all ready to go. Six days before the festival got hauled into court, and it was a licensing court, and what had happened was it was basically this policeman, you know, not my back garden sort of thing, and he'd objected the whole thing.

44:22now how it was insinuated gamification again was that it was just going to be six blokes in towels around a little tent in a field not that it's a full festival with a full operational business model and there's a lot of business owners behind this so um i said to matthew and marta said we're going to write a justification document of why this festival should go ahead so we did we did a 10-page document on you know we're all private members clubs who are running the festival therefore we're not open to public scrutiny anyway you know this is creating jobs it's creating voluntary opportunities our festival doesn't have one piece of rubbish every single person gets on there you know gets the bags together by the time that festival's finished you wouldn't even know the festival had taken place very different to the other festivals and we always seem to be stereotyped and put down and slagged off and it's completely opposite it's very respectful so anyway we went to court and I'll never forget it Liam there was just Matthew and I and we were outnumbered by about 16 to 2.

45:20And when we went in, we gave this document out, we'd printed it out, and you could see the police were all here in the corner and this guy, this one particular guy, he just looked at it and his jaw dropped, you know, because we'd put some really intense research into this. We also had a supporting letter from Newcastle University because I do a lot of work with them and a professor I'm working with about the swinging world, you know, and we're actually contributing to academia with some of the stuff that we're doing. What about biology? No good apology. So it was really weird because this lady who was a barrister, bearing in mind she's took a bar exam for the police, you know, you should be educated to a level where you know about discrimination.

45:59I'm no barrister, but I've got a journalism degree, you know, and even I know that, so come on, it was a bit like, it was very shoddy how they approached it. They mustn't have done any research like we did. They must have thought, we've got this in the bag, we're just going, tell them the festival's over. They weren't ready for us doing a bit of research and sticking up for ourselves. And I'll never forget it till the day I die, and I talk about this quite publicly now. This woman stood up and she'd give her opening statement and she literally went like this, and I'm going to copy it, exactly what she did.

46:26She went, I hope I've painted a picture of these types of people. I remember just looking at her thinking, you're going to regret that, honey. So yeah, I stood up and I said, yeah, I said, this lady has certainly painted a picture, you know, but unfortunately she's done it with imagination and assumption. I'm here with data and facts. and it just went on. Then it was, you know, we're scared about children breaking into the festival. Insinuating borderline that, you know, that children, we're at risk to children. It was all these borderline insinuations. You know, in the back of my head, I'm like, I'm more concerned about children being on the A1 without the parents.

47:02It's on the A1. Come on, Liam. You know, anything. And it got to the stage where towards the end of it, I even said to the court, this woman is now scraping the bottom of the barrel. She's actually embarrassing herself. One of the other things, Here's a Google map of the village affected. And I went, that's the Google map of the equestrian centre we've rented. Oh, my God, this is getting beyond incompetent. So, yeah, we pulled them on incompetence, basically. Everything they threw at us, we threw it back and we got out. We come out and we ended up in the front page of the press next day. But you were successful?

47:33Successful, yeah. The outcome went in your favour? The outcome went in our favour and very, very oddly, now the council are completely supportive. They couldn't be more supportive. It's literally done a 360 turnaround. And that, again, it's a lot of the press coverage. You know, last year, the Ladbible quoted me when I'd never spoke to them. Also, there was loads of articles, you know, the villagers can hear screaming, we're four and a half miles away from a village. How can they hear screaming? I was a sound engineer for years, you can't hear no screaming. Again, it's just marring the environment.

48:08So the press, we've actually done a bit of a turnaround with the press, The press, the sun especially, have been really supportive. They couldn't be more supportive. You know, they've done an article on my club opening. They've done an article on Swingathon. They've actually flown over to Spain last year when we got with the Swingathon team. I went to Gran Canaria and did a video of us all in Spain on the nudist beach and all that, enjoying ourselves. So the sun are really supportive. The other press are starting to really change. Three years ago it would have been different. Now, looking at last year's articles, it's changed massively.

48:39but there are the press that have did lie because they took transcripts and words from stuff they've never been interviewed like quoting me and Ladbible I've never spoke to them so there's a lot of things like that that go on that's just again part of the reason I left journalism is because I wanted to be a journalist but I quickly realised from going back about 15 years now Liam that when you are a journalist as we knew it things have radically changed with radical journalism and rebel journalism, as you know, things like you're doing. I think this is the only way forward. You know, the mainstream media is not covering the real things.

49:13They're not on our side. They're not on our side. They're on their own side. They're on their own side, but their own side is ruining our country. You know, it's great having all this lefty, you know, all this lefty, let's love everyone, you know, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, come on. There was a Facebook comment the other day. Some woman had put, I'd love a street full of immigrants. I would if they're the right immigrants. I've got a street full of immigrants where I work. I love it. but the way she was contextualising it was you know the people who were coming over illegally and I put under it with all due respect darling I lost my home in 2017 because of them I'm now struggling on my door and I now can't let my children play out and my nieces play out because of them so when you're in your nice area you haven't got room to speak because this isn't affecting you it's called the proximity effect so the proximity effect is how much you will do when something is that close to you in proximity for you to make change it was very weird my first academic paper was actually wrote about the proximity effects in hyperlocal journalism because that's what I wanted to do.

50:08I was actually a hyperlocal journalist. I run Old Trafford News for two years. We took it from print to digital and that was, I worked with Mothers Against Gangs. Mothers with guns. Mothers with guns. Might as well be in Manchester. You're going to need them now, aren't you? But Mothers Against Gangs, that was one of the projects I worked with, you know, and then again, 2010, All the money was stripped away for local charities. Our newspaper didn't continue. And that was a newspaper that was really bringing people together from all aspects of the community. But again, everything comes down to money and funding.

50:44Well, I could see you coming back full circle and being an independent journalist yourself. I'd like to do that. I'd be doing this. Adult glamour modelling. Yes. Is that past or present? Present. So that's what you're doing now? I do bits of it, yeah. Yeah, I've done quite a bit of it. And what does that entail? It takes getting your kit off. I love it. Getting your willy out. Yeah, well, my plastic one. No, I love it. I lost a lot of weight. I was in a very abusive relationship. I actually got gilleted at the altar. Four weeks before my wedding day, I found out that my partner was sleeping with his boss.

51:23We'd just had a joint stag and henday. We'd had about 250 people at a big party. I had no idea it was coming Was this boss man or woman? Woman Okay Yes You never can tell you mob You never know with us a lot do you? But yeah I got tilted at the altar And I'd put on a lot of weight Because I'd lived for him You know I slowly started disassociating with my friends Slowly my life was about his life And when you're in that kind of abusive relationship Not physical but emotional and mental you lose all your character I'm a completely different person than I was five years ago you wouldn't have recognized me five years ago I was a size 18 and put a lot of weight on and like I said I lived for him then when that happened I started to go on a bit more of a self-discovery journey you know I wanted to go back to being slim and healthier then when obviously I took the club on I ended up getting involved with Twisted Edge magazine good friends of mine and I did a couple of photo shoots and then I got somebody actually found me on Instagram said we really like you know your style your dynamic and it just went from there so I ended up being published all over the world now which is I'm quite proud of considering I was quite a big girl as well yeah good for you thank you cutting weight isn't easy it's not it's not we do it all from emotion especially if you're in a bad place we eat for comfort not for hunger yes and if you're in a bad place losing weight's the hardest thing food is my go to if there's any problems this is why I've started to do a lot of I've had so many TikToks taken down else I would have had a lot more followers.

52:53But this is why I've started to do a lot of the shake videos and stuff because I have a lot of women. I probably have more female followers than male followers. And I think that's because of how I talk about my sexuality and I talk about you can change and, you know, drop parameters of jealousy, this kind of stuff. But I do, I've started to do a lot of fitness videos and a lot of shake videos, you know, protein shakes. And the people that are messaging me off it, you know, saying I just want to say thank you. We don't want to say it publicly because, you know, I'm on my own little journey. and my husband doesn't know I'm on a diet.

53:22I'm trying to do this. I have all sorts. So I try and do that. You become a bit of a counsellor as well. Yeah, you do. You do. How much do you show of yourself in these photo shoots? I go to topless. Yeah, I go to topless. I don't do anything more than that. Okay. Yeah. And it's more, a lot of it isn't topless. It depends on the magazine because some magazines will print topless and some magazines won't. Some magazines will print implied. It depends on the publication. Yeah. I'm actually looking to launch my own glamour magazine in 2026. Ah, well, you're the kind of person that could pull that off.

53:52I want to bring back page three. You know, what's wrong with a pair of tits? Who didn't mind opening up page three in the morning and having a pair of tits? Do you know what? I'm going to back you on that. It's right, though. Bring back page three. It was inoffensive. Exactly. What? Because people don't like it. You know what my answer is? Don't like it. Don't fucking read it. And also bring back page seven. Remember page seven? What was that? You had the topless hunky man. Oh, well, it's funny you say that. It's good for the goose. It's good for the gander. It's funny you say that because I used to work for a magazine called Skip Hire Magazine because when I decided that I wasn't going to be a journalist, I went into trade publications.

54:22I loved it. So I used to do a column called Skip Chick and Skip Hunk. So you can imagine in the waste industry, they love getting them articles. It's bringing a bit of realism and character into it. So would you scrap OnlyFans and bring back Page Free? Absolutely. What's wrong with a pair of tits? You know, I'm from an era like growing up in the 80s and 90s where everybody had a laugh and there was nothing wrong with it. And then because some other people don't like it, you put a stop to it. Don't read it. But yeah, that's one of my key things I want to do next year. I want to bring back page three.

54:53I want to reach out to the readers, Housewives Market. I want real ladies, say ladies in my club, or just real women. Why shouldn't you get published? I've been published. Why shouldn't you? No different than me. All women are beautiful. All women have something to offer. Whether you're curvy, tall, black, straight, it doesn't matter. Why? It doesn't matter. Every woman has something to offer. and I tell you now, I've worked with women who would have never got in front of a camera without a bit of pushing and then they've been in front of a camera, they've been published and they're like, wow, I cannot believe I've achieved that.

55:24Now, the alternative model market is so important. You know, again, I've just won an award from the Alternative Awards because the Alternative Awards and 13 Events Official and Twisted Edge, they all work together to put real people in the limelight. You know, you don't have to be the stereotypical five foot nine you know and a size four and that look like this you can be you know you can you can look like anyone any lady can model so that's why the alternative market is so important and I think that's where I really want to go with this I really want to everybody can have that opportunity you know being a published published for a lady can you imagine that the boost that gives her you know and I've worked with some ladies who've come from real shit places and then they've been put to real high places just through self-confidence belief and a bit of photography And a support network.

56:14And a support network, yeah. Which it sounds like you provide in your own way. Yeah, we do, we do. A few more questions for you. Has any of your lifestyle choices ever caused you any problems? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So being, I'd say I'm bisexual. I like men just as I like women, which can cause real problems. What's your favourite? FX's American Horror Story returns for an unrivaled 13th instalment. with the iconic horrors you love to fear and an all-star cast reprising fan-favorite roles. Light your candles, draw your pentagrams, and prepare for a supreme surprise. FX's American Horror Story 13.

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57:37Really bastard. I know, it's great. But there's two couples and I actually class them as my best friends, you know. They're in very, very happy relationships. I am the third wheel and that's exactly how I like it, you know. You go home to peace and they stay where they are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I call World War III and then bugger off. No, but, you know, they're like my best friends. I can call them for anything. In fact, they actually help me construct the club, you know. I'm talking with real, real, real friends, you know. And like you say, the problems it's caused me, I've been beaten up because of my sexuality.

58:07I've been beaten up by men, been thrown down the stairs, called a dirty dyke. I've been called all the names under the sun. I went through a very abusive childhood and my stepdad beat me to a pulp one day because he overheard me telling my mum that I like girls. That's shit. Yeah, and I was in a relationship with a woman for five years and ironically she's my best friend now. We split up in 2015, ten years ago, and it was because she was fully gay and I was bi and I couldn't not just make that sacrifice without having a man because my body craves it and we couldn't get past that point and I ended up speaking to somebody behind her back which I shouldn't have done and I know that's wrong and it's one thing I regret for the rest of my life.

58:51We ended up splitting up. It was the most amicable split in history. You know, we went to the theatre, we went to the cinema, that was it. So we went to the cinema, we went for a meal, we sat down and we talked and I said, I can't be in a relationship where I can't have a man, you know, and it broke my heart because she's the most beautiful person in the world. She's still my best friend now. You know, we've managed to get through that, you know, my kids in my family call her auntie. She's the most incredible lady. I couldn't commit myself to her because I wasn't gay, you know. And then if I'm in, like I say, if I'm in a relationship with a man and a man doesn't understand it, then you're always stuck, you know, the amount of people who said to me, oh, you know, it's a, You've got the best of both worlds.

59:30And I'll say, no, it's a curse because if you're with a man, your body craves a woman after a while. And if you're with a woman, your body craves a man after a while. You are literally in limbo mode. But this lifestyle helps me achieve what I need and I don't have to be stuck in a relationship. I was in a relationship recently. It was split up at the end of last year. And he got that jealous. Basically, I'd given a policeman a lift home, believe it or not. It was very, very odd. We had a young lad in the club. Kerry, you do know that I pay full attention in these interviews, don't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:00:00You like a man in uniform. I do. Yes, I do. I do. I've got a real big thing for a man in uniform. I can see how the jealousy creeps in. Yes, yeah. But go on. Carry on. Yeah, yeah. So, but it was a Sunday night and this young lad was in and it was very odd because he said, you don't recognise me, do you? And I went, and he went, I'm one of the managers at Aldi. He said, you're a bit of a talk of Aldi. A few pictures are in the back of the lads. I'm like, Aldi of all places, you know. So anyway, the conversation continued and he said, no, he said, I've kind of left now. He said, I've done all the training for the police.

1:00:32I'm joining the force. I said, you know what? Fair play to you, lad. It's hard to get out of the streets of Stretford. You know, Stretford, it's not the best, it is, but it's not the best area. I'm glad you've escaped the rat race. Good on you. I'm dead proud of you. It was a conversation like that. Anyway, me and another friend, another male friend who was with me, we'd locked up the club and we'd come out and it was one of them nights when there'd been a match on or something. This guy couldn't get a taxi. He can usually get a taxi straight away. so I've got in my car drove off and I've drove around I went in wherever he still stood there this is odd so I've drove back I said look I said are you okay struggling to get a taxi right I'll tell you what give you a lift so I've given this policeman policeman to be and his missus a lift home I was an hour late I walked into World War III I got attacked I walked into World War III because apparently that had been transcribed in this guy's head that I'd pulled up on the M60 and shagged a copper on the motorway.

1:01:22So I just cut that relationship off. That relationship did not continue after that. I'm not having that level of jealousy when I'm just giving someone a lift home. The jealousy is a real dangerous trait. Now, when I meet somebody, I'm very, very open. It's not like I can't be open about what I do. You know, just because you're a swinger doesn't make you a cheat. You can see how your lifestyle would be riddled with jealousy, though. Oh, it's crazy. How do you manage that? I don't sometimes, you know. You can't be being attacked. That's a no-no. Yeah, that's an absolute no-no. But, you know, it's like some of the messages I get, you know, the messages, I've actually now given some of my social accounts to friends to manage because it's got that stressful.

1:02:02You know, I get things like, hiya, Red. How are you doing? Yeah, how are you doing, Red? Yeah, I'm bringing my wife in for you tonight. Sorry? I'm bringing my wife in. Well, you can bring her in all your life, but I'm not even on shift, darling. You know, it's this assumption that I'm there waiting to shag everyone's wife or I'm just waiting on me back, you know. there was a guy who travelled 50 miles, listen to this one Liam, this is a belter. So Michelle, you met before, my best mate, also works at the club. She rings me one day, she says, Kerry you're not going to believe this. I said oh go on.

1:02:33And we've got a guy in, well he's just left, go on. What had happened was we were on this app where you'd put meets up to see who was what, where and when. It's just like a social app. And what the staff used to do is change the picture of the profile every other day for the algorithms to keep it fresh picture of me because I'm the face of the club. This one day, Michelle's put a picture of me in a swing. Nothing unusual about that. This guy has travelled 50 miles, right? So bearing in mind, everyone who comes to the club, if you are a guest, you get a tour, you have to read the rules to us, you have to acknowledge, you know all the rules, you get showed to every room, so there's no confusion.

1:03:11So anyway, this guy's had a tour. He's about 10 minutes late, Michelle's on the laptop. she said she just looks up, he's stood there. She said, can you help me, darling? Because I went, what time is she back in the swing? This guy's travelled 50 miles, Liam, because he thinks I'm just there swinging away, waiting to get railed. She gets let out at 10 past two, and then she goes back in at three o 'clock. Where's the mentality? 50 miles because he thinks I'm swinging away, waiting for him. Some of the stuff, I'm actually writing a book on this. And so you should, because it will make for an enthralling read.

1:03:45but I know that your kind of lifestyle is going to attract lunatics. Oh, yeah, it does. It does. And that's our hardest job for myself and the festival is keeping these lunatics out. Well, this is my final question to you. Okay. My final question to you, but then you get one more crack of the whip at the end. So my final question was going to be, how are you going to keep your community safe from these dangerous deviant perverts? I am just going to continue what we're doing. I've got a very strong team. team of ex-licensees business owners you know we're a bit of a force to be reckoned with and we have um when we have hosted nights we have extra staff we've installed extra cameras and i'm now working with the police i'm going to be working with the police on any strategy i can and like i say that incident that i've shown you the footage of was an isolated incident it's very rare we have anything like that i don't want people to think oh god i'm not going to go something like that will happen because it doesn't, you know, like I say, is isolated.

1:04:42However, it doesn't mean that it can't happen again. So I just have to continue practicing what I publicly preach. And if that does come at a cost of somebody might not get in when they might have been all right, tough shit. It's a numbers game. You know, I've got to make a call on people. I'm in a position where I have to stereotype. And this has got worse over the past two years since all this, you know, since the floodgates have opened and there's no control of the borders, you know. I've got good control of my club, but people haven't got control of the bleeding borders. It's quite an easy question.

1:05:14You know, what people need to start making that disassociation with is legal and illegal. You know, what about the poor guys who have worked their arses off to come over here legally, and then they're getting tired of different brushes, you know. I've got friends who are immigrants who come over here the legal way. They work hard, they run limited businesses, and they deserve a place in this country. They've, you know, like you say, assimilated, not trying to come and take over. There's two totally different things. You know, people need to get a grip on race and culture are two completely different things, you know.

1:05:47Legal and illegal. I don't know how people aren't making that a disassociation. That just shows the kind of society we're living in. And then again, you've got what I would class as a real Muslim. And you've got male and female. And a radicalised Muslim. How people struggle with that. Yeah, exactly, exactly. But, you know, like you say, we're going back to what we're talking about. You've got the real Muslim people. I've got a lot of Muslim friends. And can you imagine how offended they are by all this? They're probably going to get mistangled, scary. No, we have a big Muslim community, but people who I call real Muslims, there's a big difference.

1:06:18Oh, the imam will go mad if you usually say that. Well, no, we do have people of all different orientations and backgrounds in our club. But they can't turn up in religious attire and they can't pray in there. No, you're not turning up in religious attire. I'm just absolutely cutting it off. I don't like that kind of level of hypocrisy. I don't really care. And what's your final message to the masses? Whatever you want to say, whatever you want to tell them. You sign off. One day I will get Liam's Huff in my club. Can I say that? Say what you want. You're the star of the show. You're the guest.

1:06:47No, I just want to say a massive, massive thank you to you and Simon and the team for having me. I think I've done well in getting my point across. You have. And the reason I've taken the plunge to do this today and the reason I sent you that footage because I feel like people like me who are on the ground dealing with this, and if we don't speak out, then we have to have a voice. There's people on ground level who are dealing with this shit every day. We have to have a voice. And I think myself, I'm in a double trajectory point because I'm in the adult world. Again, the Turkish lads on our street, they've had people trying to force their way into their shop.

1:07:27We're not paying for air cuts. The same kind of people we're talking about. so it's not just businesses like mine that are suffering but this is dripping down onto ground level businesses and where does it stop where does it stop do i have to close my doors next year because i have that every weekend trying to get to women you know where does it end it doesn't end if it's not getting solved it's only going to exacerbate so i think it's people like me who need to have a voice and talk to people like you to get that out there so that we have a real problem we have a real problem and we need to deal with it before this problem has gone past the point of no return and, you know, nobody can go out at night.

1:08:02You know, it is dangerous and people need to start speaking out. Well, I make you right. And if you also agree with Kerry that you think we have got a problem, remember to like and subscribe to the channel because you will not find these conversations on the mainstream media. Kerry's been great, brave. We didn't agree on everything, but that's the beauty of life. And I hope you can take something away that you don't have to fall out just because you disagree. Yeah, exactly. Disagree and move on. So Kerry, I appreciate you coming on, sharing your story with me, trusting me enough. Thank you. Good on you.

1:08:29Thank you very much. And I hope you keep your community safe. I will do. Good elf. Thank you.

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