Nigel Farage EXPOSED by Ex-Reform Deputy Leader: Ben Habib

26:31So that paints a very interesting picture to me. So what was the final straw? So you left, you wasn't pushed, you left. Yeah, so I was sacked as deputy leader of the party by Farage, but then I left the party in November 24, 28th of November 2024, after I heard Farage saying he's not concerned about the rate of demographic change, he wouldn't deport all illegal migrants, and there are a whole host of other things. But the final, final straw for me was when I heard that Farage had banned reform members across the country from speaking to me. I thought, I mean, this is this guy is meant to stand for democracy.

27:06You know, whatever he thinks of me, I help put reform on the map. I have a right to meet members in reform. And I thought if I've got no right to meet my own membership, I'm out. So I resigned on the 28th of November, 2024. And I knew then, and I knew before then, actually, that a new political force was required in British politics because reform is not the answer. It pretends to be the answer. It ain't the answer. It doesn't have the political philosophy. It doesn't have the intellectual heft. It doesn't have the fearlessness. Farage is fundamentally a political expedient. And to be a political expedient, sorry to go on about it, means you're essentially a coward because you're blowing this way and that way.

27:47We need lions. He's cunning as hell, but we don't want a fox. We want a lion. And that's the difference. And so I knew then we needed a new political force, but there wasn't room for it. You know, reform was riding high and reform in many ways is still riding high. But Rupert Lowe happened, you know, the way they threw Rupert Lowe out of the party. They tried to get him imprisoned and so on. And paradoxically, their thumping victory in the local elections, reforms thumping victory in the local elections, encouraged me to set up the new party because I could see, and I'm absolutely certain of this, that the electorate have broken their cultural propensity to vote either Labour or Conservative.

28:32They are now the electorate are aware that they've been hoodwinked repeatedly. And I think many of them have voted for reform because there was no real serious principled political party to vote for. They wanted to give a good kicking to Labour and the Conservatives. But I think if we can get Advance UK, this new party I've launched, if we can make the arguments that I think need to be made for a proud, independent, prosperous United Kingdom, and we can convey those arguments to the electorate, I think the electorate will ditch reform and they will back Advance UK. Well, now that you're fired up and ready to go, let me ask.

29:15I fired myself up. You fired yourself up. You look like he's having a good time. Do you despise Nigel Farage? I have no animosity towards Nigel Farage whatsoever. I have no animosity to Boris Johnson whatsoever. I was a vocal critic of Boris Johnson's. I'm sure I think I'd rather have a drink probably with Boris than with Nigel. But I think they're great guys to go out and have a beer with or whatever. But that's not the point. We are facing existential threat in this country. We are facing the end of our existence. The supranational global order, which is what has taken down our borders, which has normalized mass immigration, which has normalized illegal migration, which has normalized this country making regulations and laws which don't benefit its people but benefit other people.

30:06That supranational order has to be removed and Farage is not the man to do it. Is Advance UK a revenge party? Absolutely not. absolutely not a revenge party. What I would say to Nigel Farage is there's still time to put Ben Habib out of business. And I invite you to put me out of business. And the best way to put me out of business, Mr. Farage, is to democratise Reform UK. I've put out a fantastic constitution for Advance, which is very democratic, but still protects the party from entryism and being hijacked by, you know, malign forces. Read my constitution, Nigel. Adopt a constitution similar to that in reform so your members get a proper voice and adopt the mission statement that I've set out for Advance UK.

31:02Get some great people into your party. Stop throwing patriots under a bus. Stop throwing people that have tweeted something with which you disagree four years ago. Stop throwing them under a bus. Become robust. Stand for the nation state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Stand for free speech. Stand for democracy. Stand for equality before the law, which, by the way, I can explain he doesn't. Stand for these four basic principles and I will vacate the field. Put me out of business. So are you doing this to apply pressure on him? No. To make him do the job properly? No.

31:39You want to go all the way with this? I'm going all the way. There is no point getting into a fight unless you're prepared to go all the way. And it's been suggested that this is the Ben Habib ego party. There's no ego. I'm 60 years old. Let me tell you about ego. I was telling you this, I think, just earlier. On the way here, a dear friend of mine was asking me, why the hell are you doing this, Ben? You're 60 years old. You've got a bit of dosh. I've made money. I am lucky. I've made money. By the way, I didn't have a silver spoon rammed up my arse. I had a pretty humble beginning. I know I went to a private school, but my father worked his socks off to put me through private school.

32:11And I was very well aware of the many sacrifices he made for my privilege. But I have made money. I have done well in my life. I'm 60 years old, as I've said a couple of times in this interview. I don't need this. I can, and unlike some people, I actually enjoy the beach. I would like to go to the beach. I would like to have, I'd like to get up every morning, go to the gym, have a cafe latte, sit on a beach, wait for six o 'clock, have a double gin and tonic, have a nice meal and go to bed. I would love that and watch Netflix from time to time. I would absolutely love that. The reason I'm on the battlefield is because I feel obliged to the British people whom I made the case for.

32:50I didn't campaign for Brexit in 2016, but I fought for it in 2019. and I feel duty-bound not to leave the battlefield until that vision is delivered. That is why I'm here. It is not a sense of ambition and ego that puts me here. It is a sense of pressure and obligation that puts me here. I feel pressure. I feel under pressure to do what I have to do. It's a sense of duty. By the way, I didn't want to lead Advance UK. I know I'm leader now, but I didn't want to lead Advanced UK. I wanted Rupert Lowe to lead it. But after lengthy discussions, he decided he didn't want to be in a political party.

33:32He wanted to do his own movement. I was going to ask you about Rupert Lowe's involvement, because it seems clear that he's not going to join your party. But just on the ego point, if I was egotistical, I would have been saying to Rupert, I'm going to lead it. You come in as my deputy or joint leader or whatever. No, no, no. I wanted him to be leader. I wanted to set up a party that had the ability to represent the British people, had the intellectual heft and the fearlessness to do it. That's what I wanted to do. And that's what I hope I've done. But I wanted Rupert to lead it. It's not about ego.

34:04It's about delivering for the country. And the only way and just again on the ego point, as I've said a couple of times, the only way to deliver for the country is to get a bunch of lions together, get a bunch of Hercules together. That's not egotistical. It's when you put yourself forward as the sole guy who's going to be doing it. That's egotistical. And there's one individual who we've mentioned many, many times who is the sole guy. He doesn't surround himself with Hercules. He's the sole guy. So it's not my ego. Well, we had Godfrey Bloom on recently, spoke very well of you, spoke very well of Rupert.

34:36And he was back in reform, to the best of my knowledge. But the final straw for him with Nigel was when he got rid of you and Rupert. He thought, well, why would you get rid of two key players? It doesn't make sense. No, but it is the Nigel Farage dog and pony show. This is all about. So I'm going to say something which many viewers will question. I'm not even convinced Nigel ever believed in leaving the EU. I'm not convinced about it. I think he's so cunning. He realised that actually making the argument to leave the EU would give him an assured place in the European Parliament, which is a proportional representation system.

35:17And if he could represent the minority in the United Kingdom who wished to leave the EU, he could guarantee himself a place in politics for 20 years. And let me tell you, the package they give you in the EU Parliament is cushy. When I was there, the total package was worth about half a million euros a year just to sit around doing nothing. Okay? So it's a very cushy number being a member of Parliament there. And the reason I say that he may never have even believed in leaving the EU is all the things that I've said already about his mercurial, unpredictable nature and his lack of political philosophy.

35:54But primarily also this, that if you believed in leaving the European Union, you really believed in it. When you won the referendum, you wouldn't have vacated the field. You would have stood your ground. That was the time when Farah should have come into his own and said, great, we've won the referendum. Now, this is what the British government needs to do to deliver. We need to do this to our constitutional system. We need to these acts of parliament. We need to deregulate this. We need to cut these taxes. Whatever. He would have then been on the front foot, energized by the fact that we've left the EU, giving his vision of what the United Kingdom should then be.

36:34But instead of doing that, instead of being enthused by the prospect of leaving the EU, he said, well, I've done my job. I'm going to retire. And then the other bit of evidence I have, which is my personal evidence, is what I've already told you earlier in this program, that in 2020, when Brexit was being defeated by Boris Johnson through the deals that he was doing with the EU, Farage was nowhere to be seen. Why wasn't he fighting for Brexit when it was crucial to get the right deal, to get a deal that would deliver us out of the EU? He knows the deal's crap. If you look at the 2019 clips of Farage, he keeps saying the withdrawal agreement's rubbish, the withdrawal agreement's rubbish, the withdrawal agreement's rubbish.

37:12And then he goes and endorses it. Even today, Liam, he won't say that Brexit's not done. He says Brexit's done. We just haven't done it properly. I'm telling you Brexit's not done. We are still part of the EU in many, many respects. And Starmer is able to do more damage to the UK and take us even further into the EU because we never left properly in the first place. And these battles need to be won because we will not be a proud, independent, sovereign country with borders, with an integrated, homogeneous, settled culture, unless we can get rid of the supranational order. They're absolutely inextricably linked.

37:52Do you think now with Advance UK you are going to war with Farage? I'm not going to war with Farage any more than I'm going to war with Labour or the Conservatives or frankly the Liberal Democrats and Green Party. And who are you fighting for? I am fighting for my vision, which I think is shared by the electorate, as I say, of a proud, independent, sovereign, prosperous United Kingdom. I am fighting for the nation state of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in all its parts and for all its people. I am fighting for the recognition that we are constitutionally a Christian country. I'm fighting for freedom of speech, which is the cornerstone of democracy and without which we will not be able to progress as a civilization.

38:39When you dumb down freedom of speech, you make it impossible for us to have debates about the salient issues that challenge the country. And we can talk about Tommy Robinson in due course, but he's been championing, as we all know, as viewers will all know, the fight against the rape gangs for many years before other people were on that battle pitch. And he was shut down. He was cancelled because it was an uncomfortable conversation for the nation to have. And because freedom of speech was shut down, the government and the other institutions that govern us didn't do the right thing by the victims.

39:18Freedom of speech is crucial in order to be able to govern our country for its betterment. How would you handle the new rape inquiry? The national inquiry that... That Starmer's going to reopen or redo. So... How would you handle that? Truth be told, fine, we can have the inquiry. Truth be told, I don't think an inquiry is needed. What I think is needed is a branch of law enforcement to be established to identify the perpetrators and the accomplices in the perpetration of those crimes and arrest them, charge them, and incarcerate them. An inquiry, I think, will be used. I'm not think, I'm convinced, will be used by the government to cover it all up again.

40:05Inquiries are a great way to chuck stuff into the long grass and then tell the British people, well, we looked at it, there was nothing to see there. Like the inquiry into the Iraq war. How could anyone, any sane individual think that the Iraq war was justified? And yet the inquiry that was, which took place afterwards, found no wrongdoing by the Blair government. He lied to us. The prime minister lied to us about weapons of mass destruction. We went to war. Many of the problems we face in this country today, many of the problems faced in the Middle East are because of the 2003 intervention in Iraq.

40:38It was an illegal war. There was no justification for it. Tony Blair should have gone to prison. And yet the inquiry hushed it up. So I think the inquiry is a red herring. We know rape took place. We know young white girls were targeted. We know that law enforcement, community services, health services, educational establishments all knew and didn't do anything about it. We know there's been a massive cover up. We know that. So why are we doing an inquiry? Get a dedicated – I say dedicated because you need to take – you need to create a law enforcement unit that itself isn't hijacked by the forces that hijacked all those other institutions.

41:18Create a dedicated law enforcement unit to investigate what the hell went on, who did it, arrest the bastards.

41:49Every case hits home on Line of Fire, Monday on NBC.

42:18Wayfair.com. That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R.com. Wayfair, every style, every home. Send them to jail, hold them accountable. Totally agree. How are you going to win the hearts of the working class? I think they're the ones that feel like they've been forgotten and also promise the world and then slowly but surely they're realising they're being forgotten again. Yeah. So it's critical that any government represents the people because if you don't understand as a governor, as a member of the government, that it is the working in middle classes who are the majority of the people and you should be making laws and passing fiscal programs and whatever which are for their betterment.

42:58If you don't get that, that means you're in opposition to the people and that means we're not living in a proper democracy and that's what we've had a lot of over the last 30 years. That's what I mean by the supranational order. They have stood against the working in middle classes of the United Kingdom. The supranational order stands against the people of the United Kingdom. It doesn't see British citizens as being important. That's why we have mass immigration. Because if you're part of the supranational order, you see all of humanity as being equal. And that means citizenry doesn't matter, which is why people like Starmer, who completely buy into this supranational order, being part of the EU, they love all that stuff.

43:39That's why they don't see any problem with immigration. That's why they're incapable of stopping illegal migration, because they don't think your rights, Liam, as a British citizen, are any greater than the rights of any other human being in the world. And so you've got to, as a matter of principle, understand that you have to represent the working and middle classes if you're going to be in politics in a democracy. and you've got to represent your country. Citizenry is critical. It's got to be at the heart of your understanding of where your obligations are. If you don't understand that you're obliged to your citizens, you understand nothing.

44:22So that's my philosophy about why I should represent the working and middle classes. What have you got in common with them? What have I got in common? A love of the country. I don't think I need to have walked the walk that they've walked in order to have the same love of the country, to understand what's required to be done in order to save the country. I have a deep love of this country. If you were, I know I'm half Pakistani, my skin is brown, but if you were to cut my veins, I think I would bleed red, white and blue. And that's it. And can I just make a distinction, by the way? When I say working class, I mean working class.

44:59I don't mean people who are playing the benefit system. You know, I think we've got to be clear. Starmer makes the mistake of thinking that when he represents, you know, and there are a lot of people who are on benefits, shouldn't be on benefits. He thinks when he's representing them, he's representing the working class. He's not. The working class people who are working, who want to work. And it's critical for the prosperity of the country that the working class do well. I mean, if you haven't got the ability for the working class, just let's do economics for a second. If the working class can't, through their own endeavours, move through the social stratas, enrich themselves and make sure that their children have a future that, you know, if they can't have aspiration, if they can't wake up every morning thinking the future is bright, the future for their children is bright, they won't work.

45:50They'll be dumbed down into submission. And that's what's happening with the British people. And if we're all dumbed down, if the working middle classes are dumbed down into submission, the economy of the United Kingdom will fail. And that's where we're at. And we'll all fail. Even people who are at the top, the top 1%, the top 2 % of the wealth in this country, they will suffer. The working middle class have to do well. The country has to do well for the rich to do well. We're all in this together. Would you say you were streetwise? I'm probably naive. I'm probably naive. That is the best answer I've ever heard from a politician ever.

46:30And I'm going to put that on record now. Do you know why? Why? You didn't try and bullshit me. Yeah. That was a real nice answer. And if people don't appreciate that honesty, then they're missing a trick because we're sick of being lied to. And that follows on nicely to my next question that I've got in mind. So by your own omission, you've not been brought up on the streets on a rough council estate, potentially getting jumped on the street corner, getting a glass shoved in your face in the local pub, like living in absolute poverty and just a horrible way of life that you're born into. You can't help.

47:03And you've got to deal with what surrounds you. Very tough. And if you haven't been born into that, you can't understand it and you can't be blamed for not understanding it. So here's the thing. By your own admission, you're not streetwise. Would you employ or take on or recruit an advisor that was, that was politically savvy and streetwise, so you get to see the world through their eyes? Of course, you have to. You have to understand it as best you can. But does anybody else do that? Well, I don't know whether they do or not. I've not seen it. No, but that's why I say you need a team of Hercules.

47:37That's why, I don't know, we haven't talked about the structure of my party, but you have the members. I'll just briefly talk about the structure of this new party. So we have the members, but above the members elected by the members, we have something called a college. And the college includes people who are not taking a shilling from the party so that they're in it because they believe in it. You know, a lot of political interests are skewed by taking money from parties or from through their elected office or whatever. The college will be people who are not paid by the party, do not hold office.

48:12They're just there because they are these brave, capable, fearless people that we need in order to keep the party philosophically, you know, on the straight and narrow and that the leadership and the executive actually do what they're meant to be doing. And that body of people will work with the leadership to create the policies that are required in order to deliver our vision. And then, you know, the acts of parliament, et cetera, that need to be drafted in order to enact it. That body of people will be drawn on from all parts of the United Kingdom. And so, I mean, for example, I don't think I'm breaching your confidence because this is all going to be made public.

48:56But David Rhodes is a member of our college and Paul Thorpe is a member of our college. I mean, Paul, I think, would to any individual, looks, feels and behaves like a working class guy. And it doesn't matter to me, you know, which side of the tracks you came from. What matters to me is that you're bright, capable, hardworking, committed to this. This is for the college. Committed to this country. Share the vision that we share in the party. And you're fearless. That's what I want. Let's talk about a few policies for Advanced UK. So have you got a migration policy? So the policies are going to be made once we have the whole college up and running.

49:38We haven't made policies yet. OK, this is something that, again, I think reform gets slightly wrong because it just come out with policies without having discussed it with anyone. But I can tell you roughly what our migration policy would be, if you're interested. People are sick of migration. This is what they want to hear. Yeah, OK. So there are two aspects to migration. There's mass legal migration and then there's illegal migration. So as far as mass legal migration is concerned, the first thing that an incoming government needs to do, the first thing, and it can be done instantly, is to have a moratorium on indefinite leave to remain and on the granting of British citizenship.

50:21because we don't actually, I'm sure the frank, honest admission from government, if it were to admit it, is that we don't know how many people are in this country from abroad. We don't really have a handle on it. And the presumption of being given the right to stay and the presumption even of getting a British passport is that, you know, if you've been here long enough, you get it. And if that presumption continues, the country will cease to be look, feel and behave like a British organism. It will become part of this morass of globalism, which is a nothing. It's a non-state. But I think the first step is a moratorium on indefinite leave to remain and British citizenship.

51:08So that means that you can then use the time that you've created to identify who shouldn't be here and make sure that they leave. Number one. Number two, you need to make a clear gap between what you can get on benefits and what the working class earn. And at the moment, the gap isn't big enough. We've got 7.7 million people on universal credit, surviving 3 million of whom aren't even looking for a job claiming mental health issues. One and a half million of whom are looking for a job and surviving on universal credit. and the rest of them are working but surviving on the top-up of universal credit.

51:52We've got to enrich that class of people through work. They need to be promoted into the workforce. And the way you do that is by cutting taxes on the working and middle classes so it's more attractive to work, but also you have to take benefits away. There has to be some tough love. You've got to cut our benefits bill back because we are, apart from anything else, we're spending so much money, we won't survive as a country. Over 300 billion pounds a year being spent on benefits. Starmer couldn't cut 5 billion pounds the other day. That's 1.6 % of the benefits bill. He couldn't cut 1.6%. And we've got over 300 billion bill that needs to be cut back.

52:33If you cut the benefits that an individual gets, and so that it's not that attractive to be on benefits and you cut taxes, the gap between what you get on benefits and what you earn gets bigger. So you work. Are you with me? You choose to work. If you choose to work, this nonsense narrative that we need to bring in foreigners in order to do jobs that Brits don't do disappears. Bringing in cheap unskilled labor, that argument disappears. So you would automatically start fixing the economic organism and getting Brits into work and the need for foreigners would diminish, number one. Number two, we should set a minimum wage for anyone coming into this country to be given a visa.

53:24And at the moment, the minimum wage is set at£38 ,000 per annum. The median wage in this country is about£33 ,000. We need to take that up to a figure of£80 ,000 or thereabouts, so that you have to be in the top 5 % of earners in the UK in order to qualify to come to this country to work. The other thing that you need to do, and that, by the way, will force wages up. There will be a period of inflation in the UK as wages rise because we haven't got the foreign cheap unskilled labour that we were relying on because we forced the minimum wage up that they have to earn to justify being given a visa.

54:00Kind of a score system to make sure they actually contribute towards the economy as opposed to suck from it. Yeah, effectively. I mean, at the moment, what we've got is... I think we'd all like that in place. Yeah. So what we've got at the moment is people coming in, illegal migrants, you know, going on bicycles, doing delivery work or whatever it is, basically doing work probably below the legal requirements for a minimum wage in this country and making it impossible for British people. the wages go so low that why would you work? Because you can get that on benefits. Are you with me? Why would you break your backside on a, break your back on a Deliveroo bike for 12 hours a day when you can get the same amount of money on benefits?

54:42So you've got to, to the extent that you have immigration, it's got to be of people who are really well educated, who add something to British society. I see no benefit in a Deliveroo cycle rider for the British economy. I see no benefit. None. There should be no dependents coming with them when they come on a work visa or for university. At the moment, you can bring your whole flipping family with you. That's got to stop. You've got to prohibit anyone who's not British getting benefits. There are one and a half million foreigners in this country taking benefits. That's absolutely crazy. Of course, that's going to have a pull on people from abroad into the country.

55:27So that's a handful of policies that you could use to stop mass legal migration. Then as far as illegal migration is concerned, there's got to be the first thing you've got to do is you've got to repeal the Human Rights Act, which Tony Blair put in place. You've got to get rid of the European Convention of Human Rights, which is now serving, as I say, to set aside the interests of British citizens and the serving foreigners. actually when you when you couple the human rights act with the equalities act which isn't anything but creating an equal society the equalities act basically requires progressive discrimination in favor of ethnic minorities and other and other minorities when you couple progressive discrimination with the human rights act which basically sets aside the importance of being a british citizen because all human beings are absolutely equal in all respects progressive discrimination coupled with this and mass migration means that British citizens go down to the back of the queue.

56:27Are you with me? So you've got to get rid of the Equalities Act. You've got to get rid of the Human Rights Act. And then having done that, you have to rediscover the very old fashioned quaint notion that in order to have borders that work, they need to be physically enforced. Everyone talks about illegal migration through the prism of deportation. They all say, well, we need to be able to deport them. Of course, you need to be able to deport them. But there's a stage before they even get to your country, which is we need a dedicated force in the Channel, which will intercept these boats and send them back to France.

57:04These people are not fleeing war-torn countries. And even if they were, they don't have a right to come to this country illegally. Anyone crossing the channel to come to this country is coming in illegally. So they need to be stopped. If you try and cross the border just about in any other sane country in the world without having the requisite right to do so, you will probably have a gun pointed at you. The Poles do it to the Belarusians. They built a fence and they put the Polish army behind it. And they will shoot if you try and cross the border. To kill. To kill or maybe warn or whatever. But they've put the army there and they're armed, you know.

57:42And so there would be illegal migrants trying to get into Poland and know what they're going to meet. And we've got to discover that. It's a physical thing. And then when – if they do get through and onto UK shores, then they need to be arrested. They need to be detained in facilities for detainment. And then they need to be deported. And if they're countries that they come from where we don't have a deportation agreement, then those countries need to have aid removed if we're giving them aid, or we need to cease trading with them or impose tariffs on them and take actions against countries that won't take back their own people.

58:22So that's how I would deal with illegal migration. Does that answer the question? I mean, so we don't have a policy yet in the party, but I suspect that's the kind of policy that we would come out with. I was interested in how you would distribute benefits or if you would distribute benefits to migrants. None. No, they have to be in prison. We have to understand that they're called illegal migrants because they've broken the law to come into the country. How can that be so hard for people to fathom? I don't know. Because it seems to be a real problem to get into people's heads. Well, I say I don't know.

58:52I do know. The Human Rights Act that Tony Blair put in place is the embodiment of the European Convention of Human Rights in British law. So they took the ECHR and they put it into British law and they made the European Court of Human Rights the supreme judicial body, a foreign court, the supreme judicial body for human rights in this country. Now, we had a very fine understanding already in 1996, 1997, before Blair came to office. We had a very fine understanding and a perfectly established set of rules and regulations which collectively assured us all our human rights. What those laws before 1997 didn't do was set aside what it means to be British.

59:34We all knew that if you had a British passport, you had privileges. It was the best passport to have in the world, perhaps. When the Human Rights Act came in, it basically said all humanity is equal. It set aside being a British citizen. Are you with me, Liam? So it was really pernicious. and when you set aside what it means to be a British citizen, it's a hop and a skip to being unable to enforce your borders because all people are equal. So why the hell would you enforce your borders? How dare you enforce your borders? These people have every bloody right to be here, just as much right as British citizens do under the Human Rights Act.

1:00:15I'm not saying that. That's what the Human Rights Act dictates. So the government's been hijacked by it. It can't get its head round. And so when people say, you would have heard this said, what does it mean to being British? Come on, you guys all bang on about being what it means to be British. Well, what does it mean? And then the kind of answers you get nowadays are codified. They're codified from the Human Rights Act. They've lost a connection with our cultural roots. they've been set aside by the codification European law in our body of law. So I'll tell you how I know I'm British. You ask me, you know, why the hell do I feel the way I feel?

1:00:56I know I'm British because I feel stirred when I think about Nelson's victory at Trafalgar. I feel stirred when I think about the fortitude that we showed in World War I and World War II, that the sacrifices we made in order to protect our constitution, our culture and our liberty. I'm proud of the British Empire. I grew up in post, as I said, I was born in post-imperial British India, and it was a great place to be. I'm proud of the British Empire. When I was brought up, I don't know, you're probably slightly, you are younger than me, and you may not have had these. Did you ever read commando mags?

1:01:31No. Do you know what I mean by commando mag? I was reading different mags when I was younger. No, this is at the age of 12 or 13. That's what I mean. Really? Oh, my God. Okay. I had to grow up quick. But anyway, we had black and white mags called Kamado mags. They were sort of little things. And they were all about killing Nazis, you know, the Englanders killing Nazis. And so I just grew up knowing that this country, I had it. It's, you know, it's the best country. It may not be the greatest country. It may not be the most powerful. It was the best country. It was the most powerful and it was the greatest.

1:02:01And that's the other thing I reject, by the way. People say, oh, it's impossible for us to survive outside the EU. We simply don't have all the resources that's required to do it. We bloody well did it for centuries. You know, we were powerful. And I do want a resurgent United Kingdom. I want a powerful United Kingdom. I want a United Kingdom, which, frankly, when it gets upset, will scare the rest of the world. I want to be like the US. Why not? Why can't we be like that? Why do we have to accept that we're going to be second best all the time? We hear the expression managed decline. We're not even experiencing managed decline.

1:02:35We're just experiencing decline, rapid decline. Free falling. Free falling, yeah. So, I mean, I reject all of that. And so coming back to the point, we all knew what being British meant. We didn't have it. We didn't have it. It didn't have to be defined for us. We knew it. It was in our system. But the codification of human rights and all the subsequent legislation that's come with it has removed what it means to be British. And in fact, you are now classified as far right if you think of yourself as British. I want to talk about right and left in a second. I think it's a really important discussion to have because before we came on, you mentioned, you know, right wing and right wing.

1:03:13There's no such thing as right wing. It's a misapplication of a political term. It's a convenient term coined by those people who wish to rubbish those of us who believe in our country. It's very convenient. So the basic argument goes, oh, you're anti-immigration. So you're anti all these poor people who deserve our protection. Again, this kind of codified thinking coming through from European law. And therefore, you're an awful human being. You're right wing. And when they say that you're right wing, effectively, they do it so that they can then say, if you're a fervent believer in your country, if you wear the Union flag, if you bleed red, white and blue or the St George's flag, you're far right because they want to discredit you.

1:04:07They want to make you an extreme. They want to put you on a part of the political spectrum, any part of the political spectrum, just so they can rubbish you. It's designed to rubbish you. I'm not on a political spectrum. I hope this has come across to viewers. I'm not on a political spectrum. I believe in making policies for a proud, independent, prosperous, united kingdom in all its parts and all its people. That does not make me right wing. Those people who want to govern for the global good, who want to be part of the supranational order, who keep saying things like, and you would have heard it a million times, oh, we can't do that because that breaches international law.

1:04:48Oh, we can't do that because, our obligations under this treaty or that treaty prohibit us from doing it. I say to hell with all of that. I reject that. That is the end of the United Kingdom. That set of beliefs is the end of the United Kingdom. I believe that we should ditch the supranational institutions to a very significant extent. We should rip international law out of the body of domestic law, dissolve all the quangos that we've created, which has taken power away from Parliament and accountability from Parliament and invested it in bureaucrats like the Electoral Commission, Ofcom, the OBR.

1:05:26All these bodies serve to dilute and the Bank of England, by the way, they serve to dilute our democracy. What we want are those bastards in Parliament wholly responsible for governing us so that when they screw up, we know who screwed up and we can change them. And I'm part of that. But that's not right wing. It's the common sense wing. It's the common sense wing. And what does the party stand for? Nation, state, freedom of speech, democracy and equality under the law. How is that right wing? Every government of any political hue should buy into those four mission statements. Well, it's right wing because it's not communism.

1:06:05Because it's not communism. Starmer is anti-British. Starmer is anti-British. Now, I've been on many shows and I've said that and people roll their eyes. I mean, they say, why do you say he's anti-British? Even Ray Charles can see that. Yeah, absolutely. He's anti-British. He wants to take us back into the EU. He's taking our military back in. He talks about when he talks about military cooperation, Liam, what he means is us joining the European Defence Union so that we will be under the control of Brussels. We won't have an independent military. When he talks about making it easier for us to trade with the EU, What he's doing is adopting EU laws and regulations, which will be adjudicated by the EU.

1:06:44He's stripping power away from the United Kingdom. When he talks about letting the youth of the European Union come to the United Kingdom more easily, he's talking about freedom of movement. He's talking about taking down our borders. He's a dangerous man. Oh, they're very dangerous. The damage they've done in six months of government is vast. And I know we discussed this again before we came on. And the fact that Rachel Reeves could sit in Parliament crying for her own whatever her personal issue was and sheds no tears for all the damage she's done to British businesses, to the British worker, to our prospects as a country.

1:07:22She doesn't have any tears for that, for our pensioners. No tears for them. But she had a personal issue which brought her to tears. Did you feel any empathy at all for her? None. None. None. I was repulsed by the scene. Did you think fuck her? No, I didn't think fuck her. I didn't think fuck her. But I thought she has no right to be on the front bench of a British government. As I say, we need people with fortitude, great thinking and fearlessness. Are you ruthless enough to get the job done? You don't have to be ruthless. You need to be bloody stubborn. You need to be capable and fearless and stubborn.

1:07:59Can you be ruthless if needs be? What do you mean by ruthless? Well, I think if you're going up against someone like Farage, who you've explained to be disingenuous... I will just keep telling the truth. He's going to attack me. He's already attacked me. He'll go on attacking me. He'll find other grounds on which to attack me. I will stay firm. I was going to ask that. Do you think there's going to be a smear campaign coming from Nigel for you? Absolutely. Have you got any skeletons in your closet he might find? I'm so boring. I'm so boring. That was one of the great advantages of my dull life.

1:08:30You can tell the truth. No one will know. Yeah. No, no, no. No, I've got nothing about which I'm ashamed. Nothing. I'm divorced. I suppose I'm ashamed of that, but that's public info. Do you think Nigel's capable of making things up? I know he is because I've seen it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears. But are you aware of any exaggerated truths or outright lies he's told? Absolutely. I mean, what do you think the whole Rupert Lowe thing was? I mean, Nigel is clever enough not to have been the man who voiced all those complaints. but we all know that it was Farage behind the complaints.

1:09:05As opposed to Zia Yusuf. You think Zia Yusuf made a police complaint without asking Nigel Farage whether he should do it? Absolutely not. No, absolutely not. Do you think those charges of bullying and all that, do you think Lee Anderson made that statement without clearing it with Nigel Farage? Absolutely not. A lot of people say to me, oh, Farage doesn't do the detail, that wasn't him, that was Zia Yusuf. I say, bullshit. It's the same with Boris Johnson. I was a vocal critic, as I said, of Boris Johnson. and people said, Ben, you're getting Boris wrong. He's a nice guy. It wasn't him who did it.

1:09:33It was someone else. I said, bullshit. What would you say to people that were accusing you of splitting the vote? So in order to split the vote, you have to accept the notion that there is a right wing in which to split the vote. But as I say, there is no right of politics. The Conservative Party is not right wing. The Conservative Party sits in the supranational order. The Conservative Party has lost its understanding of what it means to be conservative. It's actually the full name of the party is Conservative and Unionist Party. There's definitely not Unionist. It was a Conservative Party that put a border down the middle of the IRC.

1:10:09So I'm not taking any votes away. Let's just for the sake of this discussion, just accept the term right, right wing, just because it makes the discussion easier. That's why it's such a difficult thing to reject because it makes discussions easier. But let's just say we accept that as a right wing. The Conservative Party ain't part of it. It's part of the left wing. It's Liberal Democrat at best. Nigel Farage, is he right wing? I don't know what Nigel is. I don't think he has a political philosophy. I think he'll waver this way and that way. I see a lot of flip-flopping with Farage and chopping and changing his mind and going back on his word.

1:10:49And it's very easy to forget when he comes out on the charm offensive. He's a great commentator. He's a hell of a salesman. So he can quite easily sort of carry on flowing and you forget the little things that he's done and backtracked on, which is a slight betrayal to the people that have voted for him. So I've picked up on these things. And I think even if you vote for somebody, you've still got to hold them to account. Well, you've backtracked on that. I voted for you for that reason and you've done the complete opposite that you promised to do. Are you going to keep doing this? Are the promises going to become more and more broken or are you going to give the people what they want, what you promised to deliver?

1:11:23So that's really my main concern because I've seen too many inconsistencies. And I think, well, but that's what I say about him. You know, he flips this way and that way. He's a political expedient. He's of the same mode. Is he in it for himself, do you think? Oh, completely. He talks about democracy. His own party is not democratic. He says the British people need to be able to direct the government, but he won't take direction from his own members. He talks about democracy. But in order to be able to talk about democracy, you need to be able to define the unit of democracy that you represent.

1:11:54What is the country, Nigel Farage, that you represent? What is, tell me, what's your country? He'll say the United Kingdom. He'll roll off his tongue. United Kingdom. But then how come he doesn't stand by Northern Ireland? How come he says the United Ireland is inevitable? How come he never once came out in support of my fight against the Northern Ireland Protocol? Why does he not denounce the IRC border? Why does he say that Leo Varadkar, do you know who I mean? that he was the Prime Minister of the Republic of Ireland. Leo Varadkar took pictures of bombed-out 1972 border posts, British border posts, on the island of Ireland, and he went to the European summit in 2018, and he said, this is what's going to happen if we leave the European Union.

1:12:41He weaponised the border issue. He effectively threatened the United Kingdom that there will be a resurgence of the IRA if we didn't give over Northern Ireland to the Republic and to the European Union. That's the threat that Leo Varadkar made to the British government. And Nigel Farage says Leo Varadkar is a perfectly nice guy. I think Leo Varadkar is the bloody devil. I wouldn't go near Leo Varadkar. Nigel Farage says he's happy to share a platform with Mary Lou Macdonald, head of Sinn Féin. Sinn Féin is the political arm of a terrorist group that caused death and destruction across the United Kingdom for decades.

1:13:19I cannot stand on a podium with Mary Lou MacDonald. Nigel Farage will throw many people in this country under a bus, but he's prepared to stand next to Mary Lou MacDonald. She is an enemy of the United Kingdom in my mind. That may be inflammatory to some. But how can she represent Sinn Féin? She hasn't denounced the IRA. Why hasn't she denounced the IRA? I'll tell you something else that's really interesting. Really small point, but it's a giveaway. If you're an Irish nationalist, you refer to Northern Ireland as the North. If you're a British Unionist, you refer to Northern Ireland as Northern Ireland.

1:13:57In an interview I saw where Nigel Farage was being interviewed by the Belfast newsletter, he referred to Northern Ireland as the North. Now, most people, they wouldn't understand it. But when I heard it, I thought, Jesus, That's Irish nationalist language. What is he saying? And he might say, well, Ben, I don't buy into the description that you've just outlined to Liam. I don't believe that that's the case. Any unionist in Northern Ireland, if there are unionists in Northern Ireland listening to this, tweet in, send a message or whatever contradicting me if what I'm saying is not the truth. Everyone knows if you refer to Northern Ireland as the North, you're an Irish nationalist.

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1:15:50Because so Rupert Lowe isn't going to be joining Advance UK. Maybe I'll ask him because I'm trying to get Rupert on as well. So with that said, or even without that said, who's on your recruitment list? What people, what sort of patriotic people are on your recruitment list? Who would you like to see join? So one thing that I'm certain of, there are some very good people in politics at the moment, no doubt. But the pond of fish, if I can call them that, out of which the existing political pond is the same pond that created all the problems we're facing. So I'm not particularly keen on fishing in that pond because the fish haven't been so good to eat in the past, if you know what I'm saying.

1:16:35Now, there are some good fish. I mean, I do like Suella Braverman. I think she's, Braverman is a very brave lady. I thought you were going to say cod.

1:16:45You know, so I would, she wasn't a great Home Secretary, you know, immigration went through the roof under her, she would blame Sunak. But she says things which are remarkable for a high standing politician to say. She says many of the same things I say. And I'd have Suella Braverman in. But what I'm looking for, I'm looking for real, capable, brave people. I don't care whether they come from politics or elsewhere. So I'm not going to sit here and reel off a whole load of political names that I want in the party. I'm looking for capable people. Well, here we go. So Tommy Robinson's got his cultural events he puts on Unite the Kingdom.

1:17:26September the 13th, it's going to be the biggest festival of free speech that I think Europe's ever seen. It's going to be quite remarkable. I've seen what's going on in the background. And yeah, it's going to be incredible and incredibly patriotic. People are going to feel proud of their country, even if it's just for one day, without being judged. So would you share a stage with Tommy Robinson? Would you endorse Tommy Robinson? Would you welcome him? What about Katie Hopkins? What about Ant Middleton? Bookmark this, because your answers are quite extensive. And I don't like to interrupt you when you're flying, because it's all very interesting.

1:18:01Normally it would be a lot faster pace, but you've got a lot of useful information. So this will go on a little bit longer than usual. But so we'll go back to Tommy and Katie Hopkins in a minute. But Ann Middleton, who's still, as far as I know, running for London Mayor under reform. And then you've got Derek Chisora, who is a big, he's one of Farage's favourites as far as I've seen. He's a boxer, isn't he? Yeah. Yeah, very, very tough man. So Ann Middleton, another tough guy. Patriot, ex-military, Derek Chisora. Now, they've both agreed to speak at Tommy Robinson's event, Unite the Kingdom, in September.

1:18:40Well, that's Ant Middleton done with reform, let me tell you. That's the question. Will they now be alienated completely? Absolutely. No questions asked. No question. No question. If they don't know it, they don't know Faraj, it's over. So Faraj would actually turn his back on Ant Middleton because he wants to share a stage with Tommy. Absolutely. Even if he just tweeted in his favour. I know that Ant Middleton has tweeted in Tommy Robinson's favour and I think that was the death knell in reform for Ant Middleton. I'm certain of it. Ant Middleton is a big persona, so Farage may not wish to do that in a public way, but...

1:19:17He'll do it. It'll be done quietly or whatever, but there's no way. There's no future for Ant Middleton in reform. Well, that's something to pay attention to then because if you've called that now and it's not happened yet, down the line people can say, well Ben Habib said that was going to happen. I'm certain of it. I'm sure everyone watching knows that. You know that Liam don't you? I know that. I know that but I'm just little old me. You're the man that's worked alongside him for years so you would know better than me so I'd much rather ask the professional with the experience than just give my...

1:19:45Well for reasons that are not clear to me are really not clear to me Farage loathes Tommy Robinson. Yeah why is that? I don't know. I don't know. Has Farage got main character syndrome? I don't know. So this lot, the supranational order lot that are anti the United Kingdom, obviously are very threatened by people like Tommy Robinson, because Tommy Robinson wears his flag proudly and is very pro-British. So they're anti him and they would wish to rubbish him. They would wish to categorize you and him as far right. They would wish to categorize me as far right. They would wish to do it because then they can rubbish me.

1:20:25But it's perfectly possible for a politician who wishes to avoid being categorized as far right by associating with Tommy Robinson to actually still tell the truth. You can still tell the truth about Tommy Robinson. You don't have to buy in to what they believe in order to curry favor with this lot with whom you shouldn't be carrying favor in the first place. I mean, if you really believe in freedom of speech, which is the second thing on our list of mission statements, nation state, freedom of speech, democracy, equality under the law, if you believe in freedom of speech, why would you wish to shut Tommy Robinson down?

1:21:04Why would you say this man shouldn't be allowed to speak? Why do we let Michelle O 'Neill, who is another Sinn Féin member, be the first minister of Northern Ireland? She's the first minister of Northern Ireland, Sinn Féin. she went to the she went to the um the the um to the crowning of king charles the third you know she was invited she was a guest she's shin feign and you can't you can't share a platform in tommy robinson you can't be balanced about tommy robinson i don't i there's a disconnect it's got to be a personal thing it's got to be something to deeper it because for me when i saw reform form?

1:21:43Because obviously I know a lot of people in Parliament, in fact, I know that 100 % of people in Parliament, they're not streetwise. So how can they relate? How can they be relatable to somebody that lays the bricks all day long that gets himself in all sorts of trouble just to pay the bills? So I've always thought people in Parliament, they need a streetwise advisor. And when reform formed, Tommy endorsed them in Leicester Square in front of 100 ,000 people. He never asked to join Reform. He just endorsed him. He said, well, the only solution I can see is Reform. And then the thank you he got was being lied about on LBC by Nigel Farage, which I'll never let go.

1:22:20And I really hope Nigel comes on one day so I can ask him about that and just say, are you going to put your hands up and say, I was wrong to do that. I was misinformed. When he said he'd beaten women up. Yeah. I mean, I cannot believe that a man of his calibre, knowing how far his soundbites travel because of how big a person he is in the political landscape and just as a public, he's been on I'm a celebrity, get me out of here, in the jungle. He's a massive figurehead of the UK. So anything, he's got a major responsibility to make sure what he says is accurate, especially accusations like that.

1:22:52So I'd love to hear him. And if he's lied about anybody else I don't know about, I only know about it because I know the people that he's been lying about personally. So if he's done that to anybody else, I mean, A, you've got to stop doing that. And B, if you're proven, if it's absolutely proven that you've made a mistake and you were wrong and the thing you was wrong about was really painting somebody in a terrible light, you've got to come back to a public platform and say, do you know what? On further investigation, I was wrong. There's no shame in saying you was wrong. Would you ever have a problem saying that you got something wrong ever?

1:23:27I have made mistakes. I joined reform.

1:23:32That's a joke. No, it was a good thing I did. It put reform on the map. We've got a more fluid political system now and hopefully we can fix it. But I mean, obviously we all make mistakes, you know, and some people may be more prepared to accept that they've made a mistake than others. And it depends, I suppose, on the mistake that you made. You can't be slandering someone. No, you can't be slandering someone. But this is my point. You should be perfectly capable of dissociating Tommy Robinson, the man, from Tommy Robinson, the targeted political individual. He should be, Farage himself has been targeted, so he should have sympathy for what Tommy Robinson's been through.

1:24:14He should understand that the establishment would wish to blacken Tommy Robinson's name. I mean, one of the wake up calls for me on Tommy Robinson with Farage was when Farage said that he deserves to be in jail, in prison for this contempt of the breach of the injunction and therefore contempt of law, contempt of court. And I thought to myself, you know, I'm going to go and read up on this case because I want to understand what had happened. Obviously, contempt of court is a serious thing. So what happened here? and Farage will say he understands that we've got a two-tier criminal justice system but he obviously didn't focus on it when he said Tommy Robinson deserved to be in prison over that issue because when you look at the case it was a civil action which, I mean you know the case and the viewers know the case I'm sure but I'll just quickly go through it it was a civil action where an injunction had been placed on Tommy Robinson not to show that film about the Syrian boy and he showed the film and I think he kept showing it it was still available or whatever Now, a breach of an injunction would be met with a fine or with a slap on the wrist or ever-increasing fines or whatever.

1:25:27It's very rare for it to then be called up for the attorney general, who is a political appointment, to get interested in the case. And for the attorney general to get interested in the case, the attorney general has to justify to himself that this is a matter of public interest. So he's got to make the case that this is a significant national issue. Now, I don't think Tommy Robinson is showing a film on the Syrian, you know, about a punch-up between a Syrian guy and a white British boy. You know, I don't see that as a being of national interest. So we had a political figure, the attorney general, taking it from being a civil action effectively into a criminal action for contempt of court, effectively, and having him imprisoned.

1:26:19Now, to any sane individual who is aware that we live in a two-tier criminal justice system, that means Tommy Robinson was a political prisoner. Why could Farage not see that? He'd been put in prison by the Attorney General taking an interest. The Attorney General is a politically appointed individual. He's not an independent judicial body. He's not an independent individual. He's part of the government. And he decided to do it. So it is by definition political. Are you with me? So why couldn't Faraj say that? I'm 100 % with you. So Faraj could have easily said, look, I think Tommy was stupid for showing the film again and again and again.

1:27:01He could have said that. But he's a political prisoner. Those things are not mutually exclusive. There is a path he could tread without throwing Tommy Robinson under a bus. Easily. Easily. So easily. So easily. It doesn't require it. He didn't have to come out and say, oh, my God, I love Tommy Robinson. I'm going to kiss and cuddle him next time I see him. That wasn't required, but it certainly wasn't required to throw him under a bus. But Farage has a propensity to throw people under a bus. Have you ever heard of anyone leaving a political party of which Farage has been part or leading in particular?

1:27:37He's only led them, really. And left with a good word from Farage. Do you know anyone who's left any association with Farage with Farage saying he's a nice guy? I like him. It's a shame to see him go. I don't know of anyone. Not yet. No. So the man is he's challenged. He's got an issue. But on the two tier justice thing, I think it's really important to note this. Faraj is very good at saying we have a two-tier criminal justice system when he's identifying Palestinians who urinated on statues or the two Manchester guys who beat up the policewoman or whatever. He's very slow to cite the two-tier criminal justice system when that system is used against white people.

1:28:17Faraj doesn't have the courage to then stand up for white folk. he's prepared to say well that palestinian should have gone to jail or that palestinian supporter should have gone to jail or those chaps in manchester airport should have gone to prison and it's two-tier justice that's kept them out of prison but he won't say that this that and the other white person who's in prison should be released after the south port riots the protests Farage said he was aware of this. This is the biggest political scandal of my time. Words to that effect. Do you remember he said that? He's never said what the scandal was.

1:28:55He's been completely quiet on Peter Lynch, who hanged himself in prison because he was put in jail for stuff that he said. And he had held a placard up with some conspiracy theories on it. He was put in prison. And people say, well, he was charged with violence and he pleaded guilty. Yeah, I'm sure he pleaded guilty. and I'm sure he was erroneously charged. That doesn't mean just because he pleaded guilty he accepts the Blumen charges. He would have done it because he was under pressure, badly advised and probably thought I'll be out of this more quickly than if I fight it. And he couldn't survive in prison.

1:29:27He killed himself. I haven't heard reform talk about Peter Lynch. They're now talking about Lucy Connolly because she's got into the mainstream political lexicon. Now they're all talking about Lucy Connolly. Now it's fine. We can talk about Lucy Connolly. But where was he talking about Lucy? They've only just started talking about Lucy Connolly. So he's not quite the maverick he'd probably like to be perceived as. Yeah. So what I say again is he's a political expedient. He will do what he thinks he needs to do in order to carry favour with the people with whom he wishes to carry favour. He is a political expedient.

1:29:59Now, for me, a political expedient is a coward. It's not that he lacks courage on certain issues. To be a political expedient, you've got to be a coward. Let me go back to Unite the Kingdom before I forget because you captivate me with those eyes, Ben, and I get distracted. So if Tommy was to invite you to speak on the stage, for example, this is just sort of blue sky thinking. If Tom Robinson was to say, 30th of September, I'd love you to come on stage, stand right beside me, free speech event, and just have your say to the British public. There'll be at least 150 ,000 people there. Would you be too afraid to stand next to Tommy or would you say, count me in?

1:30:37Count me in. Why would I say no? Why would I say no? Give me a reason for saying no. Because you lack testicular fortitude. Let's say I did lack testicular fortitude. I wasn't saying you do. No, no, but let's say that I did. What's the reason not to stand next to Tommy Robinson and speak at that rally? Why would I be afraid of speaking? Because of what, let's say, for example, Farage could then start branding you. What will he say? He could then start saying that your friends were far-right racist that beats up women. and he can start doing all that nonsense. Yeah, and that's why we must fight fearlessly for freedom of speech and reject the label that we're right-wing.

1:31:18It's vital. Liam, get the message out there. We're not right-wing. I don't see myself as right-wing. Do you see yourself as right-wing? No. No. No. I used to think I was right down the middle. If we're going to accept the fact that wings do exist as opposed to the common sense ledge that we should all be sitting on. The pro-British common sense ledge. I mean, we are undoubtedly pro-British. Because, I mean, people have got to realise that, was it, I think, last year four out of ten babies were conceived from foreign parents. Like, if you can't see that we are gradually being replaced, then you've got to wake up and smell the coffee.

1:31:53But Faraj says he's not concerned about the rate of demographic change. He's not concerned about it. See, that should concern people that are investing in him. It should do, absolutely. Because that is kind of adopting that I'm all right Jack attitude, which I'm so anti, which is what I don't like about the left. And that's why you say he blows this way and blows that way. So he hasn't got to settle political philosophy. And that's an issue. And your recruitment list. So I haven't got a recruitment list. I want people who are brainy. I want people who are capable. And I want people who are fearless.

1:32:23Katie Hopkins. I met Katie Hopkins last week. I had only ever watched batshit bonkers Britain until I met her. And I did watch her in an Oxford Union debate where she was great. I think Anne Whittacombe, debating freedom of speech. And she said, I have every right to offend you. And she then went on to offend everyone who's congregated at the debate. But I met her last week for one and a half hour meeting and we discussed everything under the sun and I find her to be incredibly bright, capable, right across the detail, phenomenal individual. So she'd be welcome to Advance UK? Everyone is welcome to be a member.

1:32:59What I have said with Advance UK is that we are not going to be policing tweets of members and saying, you tweeted this four or five years ago, you're not welcome. No way. That's not, look, if they're British citizens and they're on the electoral roll and they can vote, why would I reject them in a political party? That would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it? It would be like saying, I don't want votes from that lot, which I think was a pretty stupid comment. Richard Syce. Yeah, it was a stupid comment from Richard. Richard, what are you trying to do? Wrap yourself in a cloak of correctitude. You want the whole world to think, oh, I'm a really good guy.

1:33:35We won't take votes from that lot. They are British citizens. They have the vote. They're all the patriots. They're all the football guys that get together, that call a truce on their problems for the betterment of the country, for the protection of our women and our children. And they're the people that lay the bricks, that shift the scaffold poles. They're the hardworking backbone of Britain, that if we went to war, would be the first people that got called upon. I wonder if Richard Tice would take that stance if we was on high alert to actually go into a war, or if, well, I mean, heaven forbid, I sit there, I don't think we're too far from a civil war, do you?

1:34:13Well, I think the British people don't rise up. It's one of our greatest strengths and one of our biggest weaknesses is that we don't rise up. We just keep taking the, keep taking it. Keep taking the hits. Keep taking the hits. And I think it has served France, I think, really badly, their revolution. I think France has never really recovered from the French Revolution. And you look at France, it's a much less stable country than we are. We're a much better country. But it's going to get to a point where we will just cease to exist as a country. And that's what I mean by the existential threat that we're facing.

1:34:45And so we've got to wake up. I mean, what I want, let me be clear, I do not want division in this country. I want peace in the United Kingdom. And the problem with what's gone on, if it's allowed to go on the way we're being governed, is that more peaceable people will get more polarized. and the more polarized people get, the greater division you get in society. The greater the division we get in society, the more likelihood we will have of something violent going on. And I'll tell you something, an interesting story. I don't know how much more time we've got, but I'm happy to talk as long as you're happy to listen.

1:35:23I was at a lunch the other day. There was a French guy sitting opposite. I didn't know he was French and I was mouthing off about how bloody awful the French were in terms of not stopping the dinghies and that they'd lost control of their own border, that Macron was a dick and that they're part of this global nonsense and so on. And then he spoke and he had a French accent. And I thought, oh, I said, I'm really sorry. I hope I didn't offend you. And he said, not at all. He said, you know, I used to be quite middle of the road and not engaged, but I'm bloody angry now with what's going on in France.

1:35:55I completely understand what you're saying. So when countries are habitually badly governed and not governed in the interest of their people, People become polarized, people become triggered, people become angry, and then you create the ingredients for a blow up. And what's vital, and this is why Faraj has to get it right, if Faraj is the prime minister, the next prime minister, he has to get this right. Because the only way to settle the country is to do the right thing. The only way the country is going to be settled, and we will have peace, is if the government does the right thing. If it does the wrong thing, you're going to get more of the same.

1:36:32And my aim, I might be naive, I might be naive, but my aim is to stand absolutely firmly on the ground in which I believe, which is nation state, freedom of speech, democracy, inequality before the law, and to deliver the policies for that. And in the pursuit of that, I will not budge. And that's vital. You've got to be able to act with integrity on all those issues. So if you say to me, Ben, I only want to know you if you think Tommy Robinson is the second coming of the Messiah, I will say to you, Liam, I'm afraid I can't get that far. But if you say to me, you want Tommy Robinson to have the full protection of the British law and the right to freedom of speech like any other British citizen, I will say 100 percent.

1:37:22A hundred percent we have to fight for his rights as a British citizen, the right for his freedom of speech. And Faraj should make that point. Would you restructure the police force? So I think the country needs two things. We need a complete revamp of our legislative framework. We need to basically repeal everything that Tony Blair and subsequent governments have done. We need to go back to a pre-1998 legal system so that we don't have the ability for two-tier criminal justice. Two-tier criminal justice is not an accident, Liam. It's the creation. It's the result of legislation and regulations.

1:37:57The reason a lot of these people who turned a blind eye to the rape gangs, the reason they turned a blind eye is because they've been drilled to turn a blind eye and progressively discriminate in favour of ethnic minorities. It's part of our regulatory framework. I run a public company, so it's listed on the London Stock Exchange. It's also registered with the Financial Conduct Authority, regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. I have to send in reports on the ethnic mix of my executive. I have to send in reports on whether we've got transgender people employed in the company and stuff. This is not normal.

1:38:39A company should just have one objective, making money. Everything should be done on merit in the pursuit of making money, obviously within the bounds of the law, not being fraudulent or whatever. But I should not have to be giving a government an account of my social justice policies. What the hell is that? It's insane. It's insane. That is discrimination. That all has to be ditched. We will not be able to settle the police force or our courts or our justices or our civil servants or our social services or our educational establishments until we first change the law. to prohibit what they're doing, because actually the law now encourages them to do what they're doing.

1:39:23We have to change the law. And then we need a reverse of this long march through the institutions that's taken place over 30 years. We need to reverse it. You probably know this, but there are judges advocating illegal migration. There are British judges sitting in support groups for illegal migrants, using the law to prevent them from being able to be deported, using the law to prevent them from being deported, advising them on how judges. I'm not talking about barristers. These are judges. And would you have a deportation plan? Absolutely. Well, as I said, I mean, I think that anyone that's here illegally has to be anyone here illegally needs to be detained and deported.

1:40:01And if you can't deport them because they're from a country with which we don't have a relationship, then we must sanction that country. We must cut aid to it or put tariffs on it or whatever. And they need to be incarcerated until they're deported. And you don't have to do a lot of that in order to then stop the illegal migrants coming here. They just need to know that if they come here, that's the treatment they're going to get, then they won't come. It's pretty simple. You know, they only come because they know they're not going to get that treatment. Stop the benefits. It's kind of, the bugs will stop themselves.

1:40:34So it's really interesting. As I said, I'm half Pakistani. My sister is married to Pakistani. So I know some people in Pakistan. And I was talking to a head of one of, he's a retired head now, one of the law enforcement agencies in Pakistan. And I did an interview with him on the rape gangs. And I said, so it's mostly Pakistani men who are raping these young girls in England. Pakistan should reach out to the British government and it should say, send these bastards back to Pakistan. We'll give them a bit of Pakistani justice, which I tell you what, will be much firmer than anything they get in British justice.

1:41:08And he said, you know, Ben, we've got a treaty with the British government, the Pakistan Prisoner Transfer Treaty, which enables the British government to deport to Pakistan all Pakistanis who've broken the law in the United Kingdom. that treaty was put in place in 2018 it's never once been invoked because the european convention of human rights trumps all and what he said to me is the problem with you lot in england is that you protect the criminals you don't protect victims you've forgotten who's been damaged in the criminal act and that too by the way without wishing to labor the point comes from the human rights act from the european convention of human rights because in the same way that it set aside the importance of being a British citizen.

1:41:53It set aside the concept that if you're a criminal, you deserve sanction. He's still a human, but he's a paedophile. Yeah, I know, but he must be treated well. The crime of paedophilia has been committed. You must not compound the problem by now sanctioning him. Do you see the argument? Can you see the argument? We've turned criminal justice on its head in this country. And the root cause goes all back to this 1998 Act and then subsequent issues that all have to be repealed. But we don't know what it means to protect victims. We protect criminals. We don't know how to deport people because we view their rights as important as ours.

1:42:33We will allow civil society in the United Kingdom to be assaulted before we assault those that assault our society. And this is the paradox. We're prepared to fly our jets thousands of miles into someone else's country and drop bombs and kill lots of people. But we are not prepared to enforce our own borders to protect ourselves here. Is there something that the British public don't know about the Pakistani community that you do as to why there's such a lot of Pakistani men raping young white British children? Yeah. What is that? It's this. The Pakistani men that have been taken into this country in Pakistan would be regarded as bloody animals.

1:43:14Let me be clear. The Pakistani rapists in this country, if they were in Pakistan, they would be absolutely abhorred. The notion that rape is accepted, paedophilia is accepted, is a fundamentally flawed concept. Why do you think there's so many Pakistani men doing it? Because we have let in people from the depths of Punjab, people who haven't brushed with civilised society ever in their lives. These people are uncivilised. you won't get someone who's been educated in kurash you've been to kurash university and so on behaving like that we we've this is what i mean we've lost touch with the protection of our own country keir starmer will say to me say to us the guy from the depths of punjab who's never left his village and his farm, has every right to be in the UK.

1:44:10Why are you discriminating against him? Because he sees his human rights as being as important as ours. But they're not. And these bastards wouldn't commit paedophilia in Pakistan because they would be incarcerated and have very nasty things done to them in Pakistani prisons. Would they get their limbs chopped off over there? Until 2016, 2017, it was the death penalty. And are you for or against the death penalty over here? An interesting question. I think the winning argument against the death penalty is that mistakes can be made, that you might put to death the wrong person. But when a society is getting so out of balance as we are, people become polarised.

1:44:54Remember I said that people become more polarised. Society starts becoming less peaceful. You have riots. You have all that kind of thing going on. And then the other thing that happens is that the system has to then become more draconian. The system has to become more draconian because it needs to stamp down on all this that's going on. And if crime becomes out of control, we will go back to more severe punishments. It's inevitable. And a sign of us going back to the death penalty, and there will potentially come a time where we will have to go back to it if we don't get a grip of what's going on in our criminal justice system.

1:45:32It'll be a sad day because it'll be a step back. It may be a necessary step, but it'll represent our governing class having failed the United Kingdom. Are you with me? We should have created a society where the death penalty is not required. If we're bringing it back, it's because we haven't governed our country properly. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. Mosques. So if Advanced UK was in power, would you limit the amount of mosques that are being built? Would you request that some mosques get knocked down even? Because they're forever increasing, aren't they? Yeah. So a number of things. This country is at the end of 30 years experiment of multiculturalism, where progressive discrimination has favoured ethnic minorities, people of ethnic religious beliefs.

1:46:27It's put a protective blanket around all of those people. Monday on NBC. U.S. Marshall! All new Line of Fire. The thrilling new crime drama. The world sees us as heroes, but they don't know what the job really costs. One family of federal agents. It's one thing to put yourself in danger. It's different when it's your family. Balances duty to their country. An assassin is still out there. Stop! And each other. How do you protect the world and the people you love at the same time? Every case hits home. On Line of Fire, Monday on NBC. Who says Halloween only lasts one day? With Wayfair, one night of Halloween becomes a whole season at home.

1:47:07From larger-than-life yard decor and moody lighting to festive accents for every room in the house, Wayfair has what you need to make Halloween feel like magic all in one place. Because the best Halloween memories aren't made in just one night. They're made all season long. Shop Halloween decor now at Wayfair.com. That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R dot com. Way fair, every style, every home. When you protect a particular group of people from the majority, which is what progressive discrimination is, it's like these people are, you, the majority, need to protect this minority. Within that minority, well, first of all, the entire minority that exists is capable of exercising its musculature.

1:48:00It can be much more muscular. It can do much better than the rest of society because it's protected. Are you with me? But within that grouping, the group that will be strongest will be the one that is most numerous and most muscular itself. Does that make sense? So within the DEI protected blanket, this sort of diversity, equity and inclusion, progressive discrimination blanket that we put around all these people, which includes Muslims, Hindus, Jews, transgender, gay people, etc. The grouping that is strongest and most numerous are the Muslims. So what we've done is not just taken mass migration from the depths of Punjab, people who wouldn't be allowed in polite society in any country, frankly, but we've taken them in.

1:48:59We've protected them. And we've said you must do what you wish in our country because you're in this protected status. and they have flourished and they're very good at flourishing because they're much more muscular in their beliefs. We as a Christian country have taken a step back from our religious beliefs and the way that we project our belief system. We hold our beliefs in our pockets. Islam doesn't hold its belief in its pocket. It holds its belief in public. It's important for Muslims to proselytise, to convert. Christianity doesn't convert. Judaism, progressive, positively tries to dissuade you from becoming a Jew.

1:49:44You know, you want to become a Jew, they'll try and dissuade you. It's really interesting. That's a different subject. But so we've taken the worst kinds of people from the depths of Punjab with the most backward way of thinking. And we have put a protective blanket around them and said, please flourish in our society. And the other thing, and we talked briefly about Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and she's very good on this. There's been an exportation of what she calls fundamentalist Islamist ideology from Saudi Arabia since the mid 1980s. And the kind of Islam that is practiced in the United Kingdom is mostly fundamentalist Wahhabi Islam.

1:50:28There are Muslim groups in this country that are so threatening that the UAE has proscribed them, but they are allowed to do what they wish to do in the United Kingdom. And what we've got to do is, in order to write all of this, there's no point pointing out the problems without correcting them. What we've got to do is we've got to cut immigration. First of all, we've got to cut immigration in the way that I described. We've got to get rid of people in this country who shouldn't be here. We've got to get rid of this progressive discrimination, this protective blanket we've created around people.

1:51:11And then we need to do something beyond that. And it's this, we need to be much more confident, and I would say much more muscular in the promotion of our own culture. We've got to stop this nonsense about accepting other people's culture. And we need to be utterly clear that if you come to the United Kingdom, you're coming to a culturally Christian country. We like our women in short skirts. You know, we don't like seeing women in burqas. On the burqa, the burqa is the outward expression of the repression of women. It's the most visual expression you can have of the repression of a woman. Now, the liberals, this supranational liberal global order would say, don't be such a bastard.

1:52:02It's their liberal right to wear a burqa. That is turning liberalism on its head. We fought hundreds of years for the emancipation or women fought for their own emancipation. This is their repression. And when a woman wears a burqa in the United Kingdom, not only is she signaling her repression, what she's doing is rejecting British culture. It's an outward rejection of what we are. And that has to stop. Now, I wouldn't ban the burqa necessarily, but what I would do is put in place policies that remove the likelihood of seeing the burqa. So outside the family house, remove the burqa? Well, no, I would basically have many fewer foreigners living in the country.

1:52:54I would have a requirement that they absolutely integrate and buy into our Christian culture. I would, and this is tangential, but important in part of it, that schools now start singing. gone is the time that we can comfortably keep our Britishness in our Christianity in our pockets. We need to be proud of who we are. We need to start singing the national anthem. We need to put the flag on public buildings, in schools. Schools need to start singing the national anthem. We need to project our Christianity. The King of England needs to know he's head of the Church of England, the bishopric who sit in the House of Lords, Starmer wants to remove them from the House of Lords.

1:53:36He wants to remove the bishops from the House of Lords because he wants us to cease to be a constitutionally Christian culture. We must fight that. It's in his king's speech that he's going to remove the bishops from the House of Lords. That must be rejected because when he removes the bishops from the House of Lords, he will then say we're no longer a Christian country. So there are fundamental changes we need to make in order to settle our society and to make sure that we have a homogeneous settled culture. And then if we achieve that, Liam, we won't need to tear down mosques or ban the burqa or whatever, because there won't be any more mosques being built.

1:54:17There won't be any women wishing to wear the burqa because we would have settled our culture. Does that make sense? If we fail to do it, if we fail to take the steps that I've just outlined to reach a peaceable settlement, then what you will get is what we've been describing a few times, which is division, more mosques going up, more muscular Islam, more people getting disenfranchised, more riots, more protests from all sides, and a more draconian policing system. And we will cease to be the peaceable, prosperous country that we were. We need to start governing with principle and seriousness urgently so that we don't become that country.

1:55:02Ben, you have made my job very, very easy at that. And I could have listened to you for hours, but this is probably one of the longest interviews we've done in a long, long time. So before we wrap it up, is there a final message to the masses from you? So my final message to the masses is, if you believe in the United Kingdom, if you're proud of your history and our culture, if you believe in freedom of speech, if you believe in democracy, no matter how messy it is, and no matter how awful our parliamentarians clearly are, and if you believe in equality before the law and that Lady Justice should be blind, there's only one party to join.

1:55:43that is Advance UK, because the other political parties don't stand for those. As basic as those declarations may be, as obvious as they might seem to most people, that is not how the other political parties are functioning. They're not functioning to that agenda, including reform. So please join Advance UK. I've set a hurdle of 30 ,000 members to be achieved before I apply for full party status for Advance UK. There's a discounted rate of£10 per annum for members who join before we become a fully fledged party. And the reason I've done that is to ensure that my own assessment of a new party being required and wanted is actually wanted.

1:56:30That there are 30 ,000 odd people out there who can show me that they want a new party. And once we reach that hurdle. We will have an army of people around the country who can campaign for what we need to campaign for. We will have£300 ,000 in the bank, which will, it's not a huge amount of money, but it's the basis of going forward. At that point, I will donate£100 ,000 to the party myself so that we, just to show that I'm absolutely with the people who've put their money and their faith in me, I will put my£100 ,000 in. And then we will fight the fight, the good fight to fight for the agenda that I've just described and make sure that all the parties, including my erstwhile party and the Conservatives and Labour and Liberal Democrats, recognise that they have to take note of us and that we will be an important component of the British political landscape and we will deliver our agenda and we will not stop until we've done it.

1:57:26That's the key. Knowing that we're going to be so bloody stubborn, maybe naive, I'm bloody stubborn. I ain't going anywhere. And handsome. OK, well, that's very kind of you. Thank you. And is X the best social media platform for people to follow and find you? Yeah, so my Twitter handle is at BenHabib6, or the political party's political handle is at underscore AdvanceUK. Or you can go to our, to sign up as a member, please go to our website, which is www.advanceuk.org.uk. That's advanceuk.org.uk. Okay, we'll put some of Ben's links in the description. If you like what you've heard and you want to see and hear more, you know where to find him.

1:58:08If you like these conversations, don't forget to like and subscribe so we can keep them coming. Ben, I appreciate you all rushed off your feet with a busy schedule and thank you for giving me so much of your time and so much of you. Thank you for having me on. Thank you. Enjoy. Good health, brother. Thank you.

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