In short
A Pakistani Muslim man describes being sexually harassed for years at a madrasa in Saudi Arabia, then says he spoke out in the UK about “Pakistani grooming” and related institutions (mosques, Islamic schools, charities). He claims his activism led to intimidation, police visits by counter-terrorism/prevent officers, arrest, job loss, and prolonged legal stress. The episode also includes his views on cousin marriage, Muslim MPs, and remigration.
Guests
Shaweb (main guest). He says he was banned from his local mosque in Swansea, was visited by counter-terrorism/prevent officers, and was arrested after posting about Tommy Robinson’s rally. He claims he was detained for over 15 hours, his phone and laptop were seized, and he was later referred to CPS. He says he lost a Swansea Council job and was allegedly blacklisted.
Key claims
He argues abuse is driven by Pakistani/Mirpuri culture and justified through religion; he calls it “Pakistani rapist gang.” He says madrasa teachers/imams sexually abused him and beat him. He claims mass reporting by mosque members led to his arrest. He advocates closing mosques/madrasas, prison for offenders, and remigration for criminals.
Notable examples
His alleged madrasa abuse (ages 11–16; teachers/imams; bamboo-stick beatings). The mosque imam he says demanded his arrest. His post after Tommy Robinson’s rally and subsequent police actions.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOPersonal Experiences of Abuse
1:02 to 1:54
The guest shares his traumatic experiences in Islamic schools.
“that was the place where I got sexually harassed every single day for four years.”
Confrontation with the Mosque
1:56 to 4:16
The guest recounts a confrontation with his local mosque over his views.
“For the last year, I've been working with Ryan from Change, and now they're sponsoring our channel so we can keep bringing you these conversations.”
Police Interrogation Experience
4:18 to 9:16
Detailing the interrogation by counter-terrorism police and the questioning process.
“And this is the mosque that I used to go to in Swansea.”
Aftermath of Arrest
9:18 to 14:00
The guest discusses the aftermath of his arrest and the complaints against him.
“They tried to pull my wife in because my wife is a white Welsh British woman.”
Mass Complaints from the Mosque
14:00 to 16:34
Learn about the mass reporting against the speaker by members of their mosque.
“But as I was going out, I spoke to my lawyer and I said, Can you at least tell me who are the people who made complaint against me?”
Consequences of Being Reported
16:34 to 17:41
Discover the personal and professional fallout following the speaker's complaints.
“So I had savings and obviously my wife and I've got my daughter as well.”
The Role of Community and Legal System
17:41 to 20:40
Explore how local communities and legal systems can work against individuals.
“She was like, no, it doesn't work that way.”
Cultural Issues within the Pakistani Community
20:40 to 24:22
Analyze cultural problems related to Pakistani grooming gangs and community responses.
“As a Pakistani man, so we know that independent rapists in the UK are predominantly white British males.”
Addressing Pakistani Criminality and Immigration
24:22 to 26:44
Discuss the importance of addressing crime within the Pakistani community and potential legal ramifications.
“And I'm deeply embarrassed because I'm a Pakistani.”
Views on Remigration
26:44 to 28:00
Hear the speaker's perspective on remigration and their experiences as an immigrant.
“The treaty is you can very easily transfer a Pakistani criminal, especially if they're immigrant like me, and if they commit a crime, you can very easily transfer them back to Pakistan.”
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Life in Saudi Arabia: A Perspective
28:00 to 29:58
Explore the mindset of Pakistani immigrants living in Saudi Arabia and their feelings about remigration.
“And Saudi Arabia also says that you are coming to this country to work.”
Views on British Identity and Parliament
29:58 to 31:39
Discuss the implications of having Muslim MPs in British Parliament and perceptions of British identity.
“which I'm not, I don't think I'm qualified to have the conversation because I wasn't born here.”
Cousin Marriage and Cultural Practices
31:39 to 34:14
Examine the cultural discussions around cousin marriage within the Pakistani community in the UK.
“the most amazing people were the British people.”
Critique of Cultural Integration
34:14 to 37:19
Analyze the failure of some Pakistani immigrants to integrate into British society and the impact on marriage practices.
“Not only that, imagine you're growing up with your cousin because you're a child.”
Addressing Child Marriage and Justice
37:19 to 42:01
Delve into the controversial views on child marriage and the justice system's role in addressing such issues.
“they meet them once a year or maybe twice a year, they don't know how these people are.”
Critique of the British Justice System
42:01 to 43:11
Discussion on the flaws in the British justice system and policing.
“Unfortunately, like I said, when I was growing up, my father used to say this a lot.”
Personal Struggles and Family Health
43:11 to 44:38
Sharing personal struggles, including the impact of stress on family health.
“Well, you know, unfortunately, this is what it's come down to.”
Cultural Influences on Conversion to Islam
44:38 to 45:59
Exploring how cultural influences affected his wife's conversion to Islam.
“I would want you to respect me the same way you respect your mom and for that, I'll do that.”
Perceptions of the Burqa
45:59 to 47:25
Discussing the burqa, its implications, and personal opinions on its ban.
“Well, cousin, not that much, only because cousins will know that they're married and all that.”
Leaving Islam and Ideological Conflicts
47:25 to 48:59
Examining the complexities of leaving Islam and personal ideological beliefs.
“burqa and all that, they are 100 % without a shadow of a doubt wearing it because they have been told to wear it.”
Personal Trauma and Family Ideology
48:59 to 50:31
Sharing experiences of personal trauma and distancing from harmful family ideologies.
“Everything that they do is, okay, you know what?”
Faith and Identity Beyond Religion
50:31 to 52:18
Discussing the relationship between faith, identity, and societal views on religion.
“But like I said, I would like to be honest.”
Victimhood Mentality and Racism
52:18 to 53:26
Contemplating the ideas of victimhood mentality and the concept of racism.
“No, because what she is seeing now, She's seeing everything hateful coming from the Muslim.”
Concerns About Cultural Change in the UK
53:26 to 54:24
Expressing fears regarding cultural shifts and the future of British society.
“They cannot believe that they are so incompetent.”
Discussion on Race and Identity
56:32 to 1:02:38
A conversation about race, identity, and the concept of White History Month.
“It's weird me even talking about race because for me, I'm colorblind.”
Experiences with Activism and Immigration
1:02:38 to 1:10:01
Personal anecdotes about activism, confrontation with liberal groups, and immigration challenges.
“No, but when I introduced this, when I got the go-ahead from that company, I said I will send you the...”
The Consequences of Crime and Deportation
1:10:01 to 1:17:50
Explore the complex realities of crime, identity, and the struggles of immigrants in the UK.
“to go back to them, appeal it and this and that.”
Confronting Activism and Radical Theory
1:18:00 to 1:18:20
Delve into the challenges of activism, counter-terrorism, and personal beliefs in a contentious landscape.
“You always like this or is this just an act?”
Confronting Activism and Radical Theory
1:18:48 to 1:23:34
Delve into the challenges of activism, counter-terrorism, and personal beliefs in a contentious landscape.
“Have you ever been approached by hope, not hate?”
Confronting Activism and Radical Theory
1:24:08 to 1:24:37
Delve into the challenges of activism, counter-terrorism, and personal beliefs in a contentious landscape.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00And we're back. Streaming on Peacock. May I present to you the award-winning staff of the Toledo Truth Teller. Slap me. Let's jar something loose. Ay, yes! I like that. The certified fresh series returns. Your boss. You always like this? Or is this just an act? Oh no, this is mad. Oysters, everybody! There is a certain satisfaction when you work with someone. Maybe we could be a family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th, only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to laugh. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast.
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1:11Why is it predominantly Pakistani Muslim men that rape young girls in their gangs? So in Pakistan, they will go and rape their sisters, their cousins, their own brothers. And that's why, unfortunately, they pushed this agenda towards the gingers. There were no white ethno-nationalists who attacked me. There were absolutely nobody else. it's literally the Muslims. In my eyes, every single one of these men turning up are all criminals. Get back on that dinghy and you're out. I think the British people have had enough. You know, who's the mayor of London? He's not white, is he? And that's why it's a hellhole now.
1:38Anywhere and everywhere, a person of colour has taken charge. They have destroyed that place. And I said, I would like to register White History Month. What? I said, yeah, White History Month. Be honest. Would you ever fuck your own cousin?
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2:48Shaweb, thank you for coming on. Thank you very much for having me. Yeah, it's a pleasure. Interesting story. you're a Pakistani Muslim that's spoken out against Pakistani Muslims. We'll cover all of that. You've been banned from your local mosque. You've been visited by counter-terrorism. You've been arrested. You've been branded racist yourself. So how does this work? Tell me about the time that the police came to visit you. So the counter-terrorism police, they turned up to my house after that. I went to Tommy Robinson's rally in September when he was in prison. So he went to prison. I went to that rally because I wanted to just go and see, because everybody from my Muslim community have always told me that the white people are racist, the people who support Tommy Robinson are racist.
3:33Tommy Robinson himself is a racist, and anybody who is at the UTK March, the United Kingdom March, they're all racist. So I have never had an experience of racism since I've been in the UK, and I'm an immigrant. If there was racism, I should be the first target because you can tell my accent. I don't speak. the English accent. I don't have that accent. So anyways, so I went there and I came back and I went on my X account and I put out a post saying that, you know, the people who go to United the Kingdom, they're not racist. Tommy Robinson is not racist. I've met the guy and nobody's racist. So I just done that post at night, went to bed, woke up with a lot of likes.
4:10It's been shared numerous times. A lot of people have shared it. People have seen it. So it got a lot of traction to it. And when that happened, the people from the mosque approached me. And this is the mosque that I used to go to in Swansea. And they came up to me and they said to me, you need to delete the post. And I said, why would I do that? You know, I'm not lying. I've got pictures. I've got proof. I've got a lot of things. They were like, it doesn't matter. You're an immigrant here. We are British. We are from this country. We were born and raised there. We know what it is. What you're doing is wrong.
4:38So you need to delete it. And this was the imam of the mosque who turned up outside my basketball game after at 10 p.m. at night with eight of his thugs, Bengali thugs. And all of them were Muslims and all they kept telling me, delete your YouTube. pleat your ex account. When I said no, they tried to intimidate me. When I said no, I'm not going to get intimidated. I went home literally on a Friday early morning. I got a knock from two countertrives and police officers. They were in plain clothes, so I couldn't tell. I went on my ring doorbell and asked them who they were. They told me we are prevent and we would like to speak to you.
5:09And I said, yeah, please come in inside. Called them inside the set with me. My wife was there who was recording the whole thing. So for 50 minutes, they were sat there and they were telling me, so this is how I start off. We think you're being radicalized by the far right. That's what they said to me. And it was all, you know, we're here to just, just to know what you, what you want to say, how you feel about these things. And I made a joke and I said, oh, when you say being radicalized by the far right, I think that's the most job to radicalize people. That's what I said. When I, as soon as I said that, they switch on their cameras and that was an interrogation, but because see, I'm not a criminal.
5:40I'm 38 years old. I've been in the UK more than 10 years, haven't committed a crime. So I said, oh, they're here to, just to speak to me. So they start talking to me, asking me questions like, why do you speak against the Pakistani grooming gang? And I said, oh, let me correct you. It's not grooming gang. It's Pakistani rapist gang. That's what I like to call them. And then they start asking me all these questions. Why would you talk about them? Why would you talk about these things? And then they start reading out some of the things that I've said on Twitter. One of the things that I always speak of and I've always spoken against is having the Islamic schools, which is called Madrasa in Arabic.
6:11So Islamic religious school in the UK, I said to them, you need to shut them down. So there were two police officer, the second police officer, literally, he was sitting back and he caught up and he said to me, why would you say that? And I looked at him and obviously I just made a quick glance at him and I said, I don't, he doesn't look like that, he's a Muslim. But I said, I said to him, are you a Muslim? He said, no. I said, yes. So the reason why I talk about shutting down the Islamic religious school, because I went to one from the age of 11 till the age of 16. And that was the place where I got sexually harassed every single day for four years.
6:42There was nobody who came to my help. I couldn't ask for it because I was so young I did not know about what was going on with me. Where was this? This was in Saudi Arabia. But this was the madrasa which was run by the Pakistani, the Bengalis and the Afghani. So it was all boys school. We used to go there to learn the Quran and that's what they did to me. And there were plenty of other boys they used to do, the sexually harassers. And who was sexually harassing you? It was the teacher, the imam, who were teaching us the Quran. So what they would do, because like I said, I was 11 years old. In Saudi Arabia, we never used to get sex education.
7:13So we did not know a lot of, there were three to 400 boys that I know personally that been through what I've been through. Probably some of them went through worse. So what they would do in the morning, so they had two classes from 9 a.m. till 1 p.m. and then 1 p.m. till 3 p.m. And I used to be there for the whole time because my house was really, really far away. So what they would do in the morning, there'll be one teacher, like let's say there's an Afghan teacher. He will sexually harass me, other kids. And after 1 p.m., he will then walk me to his friend's class and then his friends will sexually harass me then.
7:44So this is what they did. And this happened to me for four years. I had absolutely zero help. And what they would do after sexually harassing me before I'm going home, they will beat me to the point where I couldn't even get up. I still got marks. I still got marks on my legs. So they used to hit us with a bamboo stick. And they used to hit us so bad that if I were to go home and complain to my parents, oh, you know what, this is what's happening to me and I think this is wrong, they would have turned around, they would have said, oh, you know what, he's a bad student. You can see we beat him because he doesn't study.
8:10Now he's lying. to get away from this. So I explained this to the police officer and I said, what I have been through, we get no help. Three, 400 boys that were in the madrasa, none of us got any help. So what I wanted to do by saying that shut down all the madrasa is because it is coming from my experience, the thing that I have been through. But then I said to him, well, again, you guys in the UK, the police, the counter-terrorism police, you guys are known for shutting up the white British women and children who get raped by the Pakistani rapists. So I don't expect anything better from you anyways.
8:41Of course, you're going to tell me to shut up because that's what you've been doing to your own people. I'm a nobody. I'm an immigrant. Of course, you don't care about me anyways. So when I said that, I saw them looking at each other and they were questioning me about things like I said, you need to shut down the mosque. And the reason why I say you need to close down the mosque, like for me, because I speak out against the Pakistani rapist gangs, I'm not allowed to go to the mosque, not because they would do something to me because I'm not scared of them. They don't intimidate me. The problem is if I were to turn up to the mosque, they are going to call the police and they're going to say, this guy has turned up to agitate us.
9:12And what's going to happen? I'm going to get arrested. Right. So when this counterterrorism police came to my house on a Friday, they saw my wife recording. They tried to pull my wife in because my wife is a white Welsh British woman. She's white. And they seen her sat there on a sofa recording me. And they were like, you know what, let's bring her in and just target her now because she's what easy target. And they were asking my wife, oh, so what do you think about his activism? What do you think about him being racist and I looked at him and I said this is not racism there is no racism I'm talking about my own people if you want to then he turned around and said oh what about the white Christian rapist I've never heard you talk about I said exactly right because you're white why don't you do it for your community let me do mine because I understand my people my culture my religion more than you'll ever ever understand because you don't come from there the same way I'm not going to tell you about Christianity it's not my place I don't understand Christianity probably you do because if you're a Christian.
10:04So that happened on Friday. They left after 15 minutes and it was all giggling. They're like, oh, you know what? It's all good. It's all good. And I thought it was actually good. They left and Sunday morning, so as they were leaving, they asked me, are you going to release this video? I said, you know what? I'll think about it. I'll watch it again and I'll see if I need to release it or not. And they were like, okay. They've seen my phone case because my wife was holding the phone. They left on Friday. Saturday, I spoke to a few people I knew and I did a very good thing that I took that video and I just gave it to a lot of different people.
10:35Sunday morning, 10 a.m., I got a knock on the door. I looked through my ring doorbell and I can see two police officers with a van outside. And I said to them on the ring doorbell, hey, is everything okay? I'm just literally, I'm half a seat. Oh, everything is fine. Can we just come inside? We would just like to have a chat with you. And I was like, okay, like two days ago, they just want to have a chat with me and they're going to go. I went downstairs in my pajamas, opened the door. He literally walked in two of the 12 police officers just walked in and he said to me, we are arresting you because you've called somebody a terrorist.
11:05And I just went, what? Like, are you really, is this really happening? I was seeing the news. Yes, it was happening to other people. But I was like, surely you can't tell me that I'm a racist because I've only been speaking about my own people. How is that racist? Then they said, oh, we need to handcuff you. And I said, look, I've got a special needs daughter there. Man, I'll walk with you. Look at me. I'm not a big guy. I'm not, you know, causing any problem. I will go with you in the van. that's fine but you you cannot you know take me they were kind enough to say yeah we're not going to put you in handcuffs but you are coming with us so they took me in the van i changed i i went there at 10 a.m 10 30 at 2 a.m on a monday morning now so i was there for 15 hours more than 15 hours then at 2 a.m they took me out to do my uh interview and i i was given a state lawyer which came and she said to me the lawyer was supposed to help me it was supposed to speak to me and say okay, you know what, this is what they'll bring against you.
11:58What can we do to get you out of here? She literally sat there and she said to me, why would you say this? Why would you say that? I said, you're not my mom. You know, you're not my mom and dad. You are here as a lawyer. You need to tell me what I need to do to get out of this. You can't be lecturing me. I've already been in prison for 15 hours. I don't need this. My wife was sitting outside the prison and my special need daughter, they were sat in the car the whole time I was in the prison because they didn't want to go home. They did not know what was going on. What kind of questions were they asking you?
12:24Yeah, so they were asking me that, why is it that you talk about Pakistani rapist gang? One. Why is it that you say that all the madrasas should be closed down? Why is it that all the Islamic schools should be closed down and the mosque should be closed down? Why would you say that? Obviously, I was told to go no comment and I went no comment. And then there was another question they asked me because there is a lot of pro-Palestinians who have these charities. And I talk about against these charities because I know what these people are doing. They're taking the money for themselves. So when I said that, and then they said, oh, we have had a lot of people that have come forward, have made complaints against you because you talk about these things and now you're talking about the charities.
13:03And the police officer who were asking me questions, the way he was asking me, the way he was making the face at me, it felt like I've said something to him. You know, he was not being a police officer. He was not unbiased. He was a very biased police officer. So at the time, he's talking about, oh, why do you say this about Muslim? Why do you say about Muslim? So I told my lawyer, can we stop this interview, please? And she said, yeah. he went the police officer went out stopped the recording and i said to her can you please remind him that i am a muslim myself he cannot be sat there and telling me why you say this about the muslim well i am a muslim i can say anything i want to to my own people because i understand them better than anybody else and she said well you can't do that you know let him continue it's absolutely fine don't worry about it we'll just see later on and then he continued we were in there for one and a half hour so by 3 a.m they released me but they took my phone they took my laptop.
13:53Yeah, they had everything. And I feel like the reason why they had my phone because they knew that I had a video in there, and which I haven't released on my YouTube, they were monitoring my YouTube and my channel. But as I was going out, I spoke to my lawyer and I said, Can you at least tell me who are the people who made complaint against me? She's like, we're going to get a bail sheet, it will tell you. But I said, but tell me what the police have said, you've spoken to the guy for one hour, just at least let me know. She said there were more than 70 people from the mosque, all Muslims, right?
14:21They have come out and they have made a complaint against you. And they did not went one by one or online. No, they went 10 at a time at the police station. They took your complaints and they've been doing it. This was mass reporting. Since I came back from the Tommy Robinson's march, since I said, oh, you know what? These guys are not racist. You know, these people are not racist. You cannot call them racist because they are not racist. So since then, they start making complaints against me. And then the last complaint was made by the imam. And this is where things got really, really interesting for me.
14:52Because she said, out of the 70 people, there was one Swansea mosque imam. Because I had the bail sheer, I can see his name on there. And they said, because he reported you and he said, I demand that this guy get arrested. And on his demand, they actually came to arrest me. And the reason why I said it was him, the main guy that was giving orders to the police, is because on my bail sheer, I had names of four different people, four different Muslims, who said, oh, he has caused his anxiety. All of them are leaders of pro-Palestinian marches. One of them worked for the Swansea Council, right? Worked for the Swansea Council.
15:28And the last one was the imam. So my lawyer now said to me, you can go not guilty on the three of them, but you know the imam, for that, you will be charged. But because you're such a good character, they will just put you in maybe for 30 days. They might give you three months, but they might do one and a half months because of your good character. You've never been to prison. You've been an upstanding, law-abiding citizen But you will go to the jail And I said, why would I go to jail? She was like, yeah, because that imam You have caused him anxiety I said, that is the same imam That does hate preaching every Friday in the same mosque I've got videos of it on my YouTube She's like, oh, well, that's irrelevant I said, you're telling me there is an imam Who every single day come out Talk about, oh, you know what?
16:08We need to go against these Christians We need to go against these Jews We need to go against anybody and everybody Who's not a Muslim, right? but I say something online it's not even targeted to him he gets offended and now he's saying oh my god I'm anxious I've got anxiety I can't go out because he has said hurtie word yet he is the one leading pro-Palestinian hateful marches so how does that work he's like oh well it is what it is I said okay so that happened in January I lost my job from the Swansea Council because they said they're not going to hire a racist and again I should have known better because Swansea Council is labor run and you know they are the ones who finance these hateful pro-Palestinian marches.
16:46So anyways, I lost my job. I lost everything. So I had savings and obviously my wife and I've got my daughter as well. So I said to my wife, you know, it's fine. We'll deal with it. I'll find another job because I've been here 10 years. I've always had a job. And in January, that all happened. February, I started applying for many, many jobs. And then initially somebody told me like, you know what, you're blacklisted in Swansea. It's such a small town. and when the council says you're a racist, they're not going to hire you. Nobody's going to hire you. So yeah, well, nobody did hire me. And then afterwards, I think I remember applying for a job as a Swansea council and they got back to me via email.
17:27So this is the proof I've got as well. They said to me, because of your affiliation with Tommy Robinson, because of your affiliation with the political parties and you're out there, you've got a YouTube channel and everything, we will not be hiring you because that goes against our court of conduct. And I say, that is fine. That is fair. But if you can tell me the councillors, the councillors who are way much more higher post than I was, if they are leading pro-pacitian marches, who I've got videos of coming out and punching me, hitting me with the hateful Pelly flags, so are you going to tell them the same thing?
17:57She was like, no, it doesn't work that way. I said, well, if you're telling me the code of conduct, it should be equal throughout the board then.
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18:58Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. Bring it back to the investigation. Has that been NFA'd now? Just now. So for 11 months, they put me in that. Because I'm thinking there's no way you can be charged for that. No, no, no. The punishment is probably the process. Exactly. So no, they wanted to charge me. And I was being charged. I was referred to CPS, by the way. And it was up until last month, actually, just December gone. I was referred to CPS because I had estate-provided lawyers. And then I spoke to some of the guys that I know. And somebody came forward and said, you know what, we'll help you.
19:33Yes, we need money. They charged me around four and a half, five thousand pounds because they were London lawyers and I was in Swansea. They were charging me per hour and they need to go to me and you come back. So we sat down with the lawyers and they looked at everything and they said, there's no way it went to CPS. You shouldn't have gone to CPS. But because I had a state-provided lawyer, and this is where I bring everything together. When I say the imams, the mosque, the police, even the lawyers now, they're all working, they're all in it together. Especially when you live in such a small community like Swansea.
20:02Swansea, if I want to become a lawyer, I need the approval from the judges. I need the approval from the police officers. And if all of them are working together, okay, you know what? I scratch your back, you scratch mine. That's exactly how it works. And that's what happened. But because I had lawyers from London and then they approached the police officer and also the law firm, the state-provided law firm, and they said to them, oh, you know, we will be taking over. You won't believe it, Liam. Literally within a day, 24 hours later, I had a call. It's all an event. So you spent 11 months worrying that you could potentially go to jail?
20:36Yes. Okay, so they've done a good job bringing stress to your life. Yes. As a Pakistani man, so we know that independent rapists in the UK are predominantly white British males. It stands to reason because it's a white British male country. So before anybody jumps down my throat, because I'm now going to segue into Pakistani grooming gangs, you're vocal about it. What I want to know is, as a Pakistani man, as a Pakistani Muslim, Why is it predominantly Pakistani Muslim men that rape young girls in their gangs? What is it in the water that makes them do that? Okay, so I'll start by saying the Pakistanis that you have in the UK, because we're talking about the UK problem.
21:11Of course, these problems are everywhere. I was going to say, what? Is it just the UK? No, we have the Pakistani rapist gang problem in Saudi Arabia, the country that I lived in. I lived there for 28 years of my life, so I know they have done it there. They are doing it in Europe. They're doing it in America. They do it in Pakistan as well. So what's the problem, Pakistanis or Islam? Well, I think it is a cultural problem, but they try to drive it by religion because they then start using the religion as saying, oh, you know, we are allowed to do that. Well, we can do that because it's OK. But for me, I live in Saudi Arabia and I grew up with Canadians, Americans, Europeans, British people, Australians.
21:46A lot of them were non-Muslims. A lot of them were atheists, Christians. We didn't have a problem with that. We used to sit and eat in the same plate. I still, at 38, they are still my friends. They're actually my best friends. And believe it or not, a lot of the British white people, they're still in Saudi Arabia while I'm here in the UK. They don't want to come back. So the problem that I see here is in UK, the Pakistanis that you've got, they are Meirpuris. So Meirpuris came here in the 1960s and the 50s when the immigration thing was open and they were like, oh, you know what, just come here, try to help us build Britain and all that.
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22:19So these people came in because these people are not even wanted in Pakistan. So the Meirpuris that you have here, the second, third generation, are the lowest of the low, right? And that's where the people that was welcomed in the UK in the 1950s and 60s. And then they brought in their cousins. So when the Pakistani say, oh, well, it's not really a problem in Pakistan. No, it is. It is 100 % problem, a Pakistani problem, a culture problem, because it's the Mirpuris who are doing it. So the 95 % of the Pakistanis who were born in the UK, whose parents have been in the UK for many, many years, and grandparents, they're all Mirpuris.
22:55I'm from Karachi. I'm from a city. So for me, the Mirpuris, when we see them, we look at them and we're like, you know what? Yeah, we don't want to deal with them. These people are inbreds. These people are the lowest of the low. So that's what you have. So yes, there is a problem. And the gang thing, the gang thing that they do, believe it or not, I have never heard about them doing this in a gang. They do it in Pakistan, but they will do it individually. So in Pakistan, they will go and rape their sisters, young sisters, their cousins, their own brothers. it happened all the time. And I'll just take it back to the place when I just said, when I was sexually harassed in the Madrasa.
23:31So I spoke to somebody in the mosque in the UK and I told them what has happened. You know what they said? They laughed it off. And they said, oh, well, you know what? It happened to everybody. And I looked at them and I said, you're telling me it happened to everybody. So of course you are aware of the problem that we have in, not in a Christian school, not in a Jewish school, not in a school school, in the Madrasa, in the Islamic school. It's a Muslim school. So we have a problem there which you have just said to me, oh well it's okay it's fine it happens anyway so it's absolutely fine so how does that work they just laughed it off so so for when i see these pakistanis coming out and saying oh deflection they do that or what about the christian grooming oh what about the white rivers and like you rightfully said this is a white country we live in the uk so yes there are going to be more people of that country in that country but when you have pakistanis on mass going out and and like i said It's such a shameful thing.
24:22And I'm deeply embarrassed because I'm a Pakistani. I'm so embarrassed that this is 2026 now and there are Pakistanis still sitting there and deflecting. We haven't done anything. Like the Pakistani community itself, it's shameful for them because they haven't come out and say, you know what? Yes, we have a problem. We've been seeing it for many, many years. It's not a new problem. It's a very old problem. So they didn't come out like me and say, you know what? We need to stop this. Let's call these people out. let's get these people deported they don't belong here they should not be here right and they don't do that instead i get the police turned up to my house i get the contrarian police to my house i put in jail you know they make my life upside down with all of these things so i when i say it is a problem with the pakistani culture driven by the religion 100 it is because they will find something in that book to justify what we have done oh we have done it because they're non-muslim So what?
25:15So for me, people ask me this. Oh, well, you're a Muslim as well. Why don't you go around and do it? For me, Liam, if I was born in my neighbor's house, I would have been a Christian because my neighbor was a Christian in Saudi Arabia. So if I was born in my neighbor's house, I would have been a Christian. So I, you, me, or anybody, we cannot have a say in when we are born. Like, you know, you're just born anyway, to be honest. But we do have a say in if you are a good human being. You know, because Muslims come out, oh, we are a Muslim before anything. I don't say that. I say I'm a human being before anything else.
25:43So if you are a kind and nice human being, I'll treat you the same way. It doesn't, I never ask a lot of my friends what religion they are. Do they drink? Do they eat pork? It doesn't bother me. It's irrelevant to me. So yes, unless these Mirpuris decide that they want to do something about it, it's not going to happen. But unfortunately, I have seen from experience as well, these people will never change. So the only solution that I see, and like I said, this is my opinion, it's an opinion that I have come after talking to people, after trying to get the Pakistanis to come to the straight line and say, you know what, this is wrong, we shouldn't be doing it.
26:16The only solution that I see, the Pakistanis who was given the British nationality and they are involved in this. And when I say involved, there are a lot of their wives, their sisters, their friends, they know what these people are getting up to, but they decide to stay quiet. And I don't blame them, but at the same time, they need to get up and say, you know what, yes, my husband has done this, please put him into jail. These people need to be exiled from the UK. They shouldn't be here. There is a treaty between Pakistan and UK. I don't know why they don't use it. The treaty is you can very easily transfer a Pakistani criminal, especially if they're immigrant like me, and if they commit a crime, you can very easily transfer them back to Pakistan.
26:52But unfortunately, we have ECHR that jumps in and say, you know what, so what if they're a rapist? So what if they don't understand your culture? Well, if you don't understand the culture, why are you here? You don't need to be here. Take your culture, the one that you like, and just go to whichever place you find it easy to adjust. What are your thoughts on remigration on a whole? And are you for or against remigration first and foremost? To be honest, I'm for remigration. And I'll tell you, I'll give you, I'll tell you my reason. I know a lot of people say, oh, well, you're an immigrant. Guess what?
27:23You're going to first plane back. Yeah. And if you was in charge, how would you, how would you roll out the remigration process? Yeah, well, so for remigration, the reason why I said I'm for it, because I lived in Saudi Arabia 28 years of my life. My father is still in Saudi Arabia, more than 40 years. He worked there. He don't know anything other than Saudi Arabia. Like I don't know anything other than Britain now. Saudi Arabia first, but now I live in the UK. So for us growing up in Saudi Arabia, we were told that you will always be a foreigner. They don't give us it. I still got a Pakistani passport.
27:54Like I said, I've lived in Pakistan, I've been to Pakistan, but I have given a Pakistani passport because Saudi Arabia do not give you nationalities. And Saudi Arabia also says that you are coming to this country to work. We are giving you money. Yes. And we give you a good lifestyle. You can buy things, which surely you can't do it back home. That's why you come into Saudi Arabia. So we were told anytime the Saudis, the Arabs can get up and say, you know what, we don't want you guys here, get out. And we lived, I grew up in that mentality. So for me, remigration. So if you're telling me that I've been here 10 years, more than 10 years, you know, I try and speak as good English as I can, because English is not my first, not my second, but my third language, because I speak Urdu, Arabic, and then English.
28:35So if somebody were to say to me that, you know what, but we want you to leave because, you know, from here, I will most definitely pack up and leave. I'm not going to stay here and fight. Do I have a plan B to go somewhere else? I don't. Do I want to go somewhere else? I do absolutely not. Because if anything, in the last 11, 12 months, what has happened to me, I would have already been gone, but I haven't. And I would also say, yes, I do have my wife who's white British. Her daughter is also a special needs. She's also white British. I wouldn't say, oh yeah, just because they are white British, I get to stay with them.
29:04No, because we are married now. And if I'm getting deported from the UK, I probably go and I, you know, we go as a family. I wouldn't use that. But I know this. And my thinking is this way because I grew up in a way, which I know my father has been in Saudi Arabia for 40 years. But he tells me even today, he said to me, look, they can call me anytime. They can say, you know what? We don't need your services anymore. Thank you very much. You may leave now. And he'll have to leave. So in that sense, I would say if it was down to me, I would honestly look at anybody and everybody who have committed any crime.
29:37And I'm talking about any crime whatsoever. And I'm going to say, you know what, you have to go. It doesn't matter you're a British citizen. I get that, but you have to go. You know, my father gave this example a lot of time. If you're a donkey and you paint your donkey with white stripes, it doesn't become a zebra. The same way, you know, if I was born, I'm going to say, oh, I'm British. And that is a totally different conversation, which I'm not, I don't think I'm qualified to have the conversation because I wasn't born here. I know a lot of people who are born here, they feel like they're British.
30:04So that's good. But my thinking is, even though my brothers were born in Saudi Arabia, they're not Arabs, they're not Saudis, they are Pakistanis. But that is what I grew up with. So yeah, my thinking will be different. And as I said, for remigration, I've said it many, many times before, if the white British people, you know, Liam, people like you, people like Tommy Robinson, if you guys were to come out and say, you know what, we want, yes, thank you very much for what you have done we carry your patriot to the uk but we would like you to leave i will leave where i'm gonna go i don't know i don't have a plan b my my home is the uk i love this country more than anything else so but i will go i will go but this is how much i love the country you know i'm ready to destroy myself and i'm already doing it like literally right now as you see me sat here i have destroyed everything 10 years worth of savings all my cars all my assets everything sold i've got zero penny in my account but i'm still doing it and this is the love you know when you say when you're in love you do stupid things because you don't think clearly, that's your love outweighs your own thing.
30:58You know, you might destroy yourself in the process. So that's what I would do. So as far as remigration goes, if you're a foreign criminal or you don't contribute, your policy would be you go back to where you came from. Even if you're a British citizen, but if you're a criminal, you are going to go back to your country of heritage, yes. Yeah, I can't see anybody arguing with that. What about Muslim MPs? Do you think Islam belongs in British Parliament? Absolutely not. And why? Absolutely not. because for me, like I said, I'm an outsider, right? When you ask me questions, I'm looking at how I used to look at England, how I was looking at UK when I was in Saudi Arabia.
31:31Like I said, I grew up with Europeans. I grew up with Canadians, Americans, Australians, and English. And out of all these people, the most kindest, the most tolerant, the most amazing people were the British people. The best of friends that I've got, even till today, are the British people from London. So when I look at the white people, the white British people, right? I see excellence. I look at white British people and I get hopeful because it is the white British people who've done magic by creating all these things. The internet was created by white British people. And the penicillin after operation that you take if you're in pain, that also is done by the white British people.
32:06So, you know, when I look at the white British people, it's all about excellence. So if I would like to see anybody other than white Brits in the parliament, I would say no. Islam is also, because if you look at the countries like Afghanistan, you look at countries like Pakistan, they both are hellholes. You know, there is no equality. There is no help. These people do absolutely nothing for the people. It's all religion driven. And I don't think politics, I know, and I say this, UK is a Christian country because a lot of the British values are driven by Christianity. Some of them are tolerance, be kind to your neighbours and all of these things.
32:42So with that, I would say, no, I would not want to have anybody in the British Parliament, not only if they're Muslim, even if they're foreign, like, you know, like me as well, or if there is somebody who says, oh, you know what, I'm an ex-Muslim, but I'm not white. I would say leave the British Parliament, the UK Parliament to the white British people. Because as far as I know, with any Muslim, which is their prerogative, no matter what, it's Islam first, everything second, third, fourth. Exactly. So that does concern me, having MPs that would put their faith first before the benefit of the country and the people within.
33:18Be honest, would you ever fuck your own cousin? No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Yeah, no, I wouldn't even marry somebody who is a Pakistani. Do you know what I mean? Like my wife is white. It's got nothing to do with, oh, do I like, I like everybody. What if she was a 10? Oh, she can be an 11. I'd still be like, thank you very much. You're my sister. Why is it so prominent within your, is it within your religion or is it within your culture? I think it is more culture because with the religious thing, it goes a bit widespread because you've got Muslims who are from different, they might be Indians, they might be Bengalis, they might be white as well, some of them who convert.
33:54There's a lot of debate at the moment about cousin marriage. And I think Labour are pushing it. I think Labour are quite happy with cousins marrying and fornicating, which we know about the birth defects. To me, it's totally outrageous, which is why I asked it in such an outrageous form. No, no, no, that's fine. That's fine. You're absolutely right because it is a very concerning topic. And I know it has been highlighted everywhere. For me, cousin marriage is no, no. I absolutely disagree with it. Not only that, imagine you're growing up with your cousin because you're a child. She might be younger than you, right?
34:22You're not going to look at a child and be like, oh, you know what, that girl, when she grows up, I'm going to, that is wrong. If I, like for me, how I met my wife is I was out shopping in B &M and she was there shopping as well. So I went up to her, right, like a gentleman. And I said, can you help me with something? And she said, yeah, I'll help you. And then I said, you know what, actually, I don't need help, but I think you're really pretty. Is it okay if I can take you out on a date? And if you say no, okay, that's fine. I'll just go. She said, yeah, you can take me out on a date. We went on dates and then we got married.
34:51Like this is what I think the process should be. It shouldn't be because I know somebody. I'm sorry to say this and I'm not putting anybody down while saying this, but I feel like it's a lot of losers. They say, oh, you know what? It's easy because she's my cousin. I'm not married. And the problem that you've got with the cousin marriage with the Pakistanis and Bengalis in the UK, and I'll tell you how this happens. These people, unfortunately, they're a loser and they have made themselves a loser by creating a little community within the UK. So what these Pakistanis have done, when they came here, they didn't integrate.
35:21They didn't assimilate. What they said, they said, you know what? We are coming from Pakistan. We're leaving this hellhole behind. For me, if I'm leaving a hellhole behind, I'll leave it there. But they brought it with them and they said, oh, we're going to create our little hellhole in here as well. So that way we've got, oh, we can remember that hellhole. It should have never, ever been like that. It should be, you're coming to the UK. You live by British values. If you don't like it, please go. It's fine. I'm sure they can find a lot of other people to work and build Britain and whatnot. So anyways, these now Pakistanis and Bengalis, when they've got a British passport and they've lived their 20, 25 years of their life, they've got no girlfriend because they're so close-minded.
35:58They're just stupid people there. And then they will go back to their home country and what they will do, they will bring out the passport. They will look at their cousins who's going through a very bad time in a shithole country like Pakistan. And they said, do you want this? Do you know what we do? and they show their fake cars. Oh, we got these cars. We got this amazing house. Even though they're living on benefits, how hard it is to get a BMW or a Mercedes. It's easy. In Pakistan, they see the BMW, the girls, they're like, you know what? Yeah, I hate him. This guy's an ugly. But you know what?
36:27I can marry him. I can go to the UK. I can get my passport. I can divorce him. How many marriages, cousin marriages, they end up in divorce? It's either divorce after five years or it is divorce as soon as the woman gets pregnant and she gives birth to the child. the moment she's given birth to the child that said the kid is British and that way the woman can claim a family that oh I've got a family son is British I can't go back to Pakistan they leave the husband straight away I have seen numerous cases not only that I have seen people that have actively said oh do you know anybody who's who's who's British that we can marry to we can get married and I'm like just find somebody you're you know in your own place why do you need to find oh so we can get out of the so this is the reason why they're pushing the Muslim MP the reason why they push the cousin marriage is because of this.
37:14Because they are losers, nobody will talk to them here because people know what they are like. But if you've got somebody internationally who've never met, they meet them once a year or maybe twice a year, they don't know how these people are. They don't know what kind of animals these Pakistanis and these Bengalis are. But when they go back, they show the passport, and the women are like, yeah, we'll come back. And that's why they get one, two, three, four wives as well. This is how they get it. In a normal day, if the UK says no cousin marriage, The people who are talking about four wives And this and that They won't even have one wife This is how pathetic these people are And that's why, unfortunately They push this agenda towards the gingers Can I say ginger?
37:51Is that okay? Yeah, you can It's not like the ginger You can say anything you like on it A, nothing offends me And B, I want to hear what people are thinking Irrespective of how gratuitous or graphic or prejudiced it is I don't care Like nothing bothers me or phases me I try to be polite as well So that's why I said I got ginger cousins so I understand what I just asked you if you'd fuck your cousin so you can fire back as much as you know I wouldn't literally I wouldn't what about would you sleep with a with a young girl that's just had her first period say she was never between six and twelve I don't care no never I I think because I'm 38 now I probably wouldn't sleep with anybody who's under 30 well I'm married now happily married so no but no but like in reality I don't know how these people look at somebody who have that much of age gap let alone looking at a six seven eight nine year old child and saying oh you know what, actually, yeah, no.
38:39For me, these are kids. Or say from nine to 14, would you think that was fair game? No. Because a lot of Islamic preachers, and it's, all you've got to do is type this in Google. This isn't make-believe. A lot of them will say, if they consider the girl to be physically and mentally ready, i.e. she's had her first period, then a fully grown man, be it 30 years older, can actually penetrate her sexually. So how do we shift people's thinking? So they get a better understanding of the fundamentals of humanity and human beings that a 13-year-old girl that's had her first period is a far cry from a woman and she's not ready for sex.
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39:56This show gives me a reason to live. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. See, when I hear these preachers and everybody talk about it, I've always been against them. I have actually gone up to them.
40:36There have been numerous spaces, I'm sure a lot of them are recorded, where they've asked me the same question and they were preachers. They said, oh, well, we are allowed to. I said, I don't care. That's barbaric. This is like you're acting like animals. Whatever happened in the past, leave it there. We're not living in the past. We are here now. We are living in today. So in today, if you're asking me, I'm going to say no. no you cannot do that and the only way to correct this now is unfortunately these people are acting like animals and not only is the Muslims they're bringing in the new converts like I said they're bringing in the gingers because they're vulnerable and they're bringing them in and this is what they showed to them they're like oh you know what don't worry none of the girls have ever spoken to you you're in your 30s you're not married but come to the religion we will find you a Muslim woman because there are plenty of Muslim women who are as brainwashed as the man and he said oh you know what I'll marry anybody because I'm doing it in the name of religion.
41:29You know, that's what they do. So to correct this, to correct this whole behavior, this, you know, the way these lunatics are acting, because they're acting like animals, you have to treat them like animals. And by treating them like animals, I mean, you need to put them in prison. It's not that, oh, they need to do that. No, no. If you are saying that you're okay with giving your daughter to somebody who's 50 years old because the religion said, guess what? You're not in a Muslim country, right? This is not a Muslim country. And this is the problem that we have with the British justice system.
42:05Unfortunately, like I said, when I was growing up, my father used to say this a lot. He used to say, if you want real justice, look at the British justice system. If you want to see the real good policing, look at the Scotland Yard. This is what I grew up with, right? An outsider. For me, my heroes were the British police officers. for me the biggest justice system was the biggest justice system that I used to I grew up and I was like you know what if anything I want to be part of that I want to live with it and that's why I'm here so yeah if they're gonna act like animals treat them like animals start putting them in prison if they as much as say that this is okay guess what you're going to prison we don't care but like I said unfortunately me saying this can lock me up can lock you up but anybody comes out and say hey I'm okay with a 9 year old oh yeah it's fine because it's part of the religion, part of the culture.
42:54That's fine. You can't change that. So to the police officers as well, because unfortunately, I've noticed that police officers are actually called pigs. They call them pigs there as well. So I have thought the next time when police come and arrest me, I'll tell them I'm a Muslim and you're a pig. You can't touch me. Do you know what I mean? I thought I'll do that. Well, you know, unfortunately, this is what it's come down to. And as much as I'm trying to be positive, Liam, I'm trying to be very positive. You have no idea, right? But what my wife have been through throughout all of this, and I just thought, I know I've messaged you and there are some very close people to me, they know about this, but because of the stress of what I am doing, my wife is not doing anything.
43:36Her problem is that she's married to me. And everything that I'm doing, it has put my wife through so much stress that now she's going through cancerous treatment. So she's got cancerous cells developed. And when we asked the doctor, How come all of a sudden she's got all this They say it's all because of stress Yeah, stress kills Is your wife Muslim? My wife, yeah, she is Was she Muslim before she was with you? No, no, she was not When we were together, she was not Muslim When we got married, she was a Muslim But then she decided, oh, she would like to read up into it And I think, I'll be honest with you I think most of it, that she decided to become a Muslim Is because watching my mom and dad So when she saw my mom and dad, and I'm 38 I still love my mom and dad As if I was a two-year-old little child Because my father, when I see my father now If he says something, I look down and I say, okay, that, okay, that, yes, that, yes.
44:22You know, like it's love, it's respect and love, yeah. And the same with my mom. I joke around with my mom a lot and she saw that and my mom wears a hat scarf. She doesn't wear the whole thing. She wears a hat scarf because she lives in Saudi Arabia and that's the cultural thing. And then she wears it, she saw that and she saw me loving my mom so much. She was like, oh, you know what? I would want you to respect me the same way you respect your mom and for that, I'll do that. She started doing that as well. And I said, no, you don't need to take a hat scarf and all that. So she doesn't wear hats cover or anything.
44:50You know, we go out, we do, I don't want to say what we do, but yeah, we are like open-minded, very progressive. But your wife at one stage was wearing the hijab. Yeah, yeah, she wore it. She wore it for like, I think she wore it for a few months. But then I said to her, I said to her, please, you know, I love you as I love my mom and everybody else. And, you know, you are on the highest place for me in my heart. Did it feel a little bit ridiculous? Yes, yes. Okay, and the burqa on the whole, full face covering, Do you think people should be allowed to cover their faces in the UK? I'll be honest with you Burka should be banned in the UK So you would ban the burka?
45:25100 % 100 % And is it the woman's choice predominantly Or is it normally the husband that says I'd like you to wear the burka Because people are going to look at you? Okay So this is interesting Right It comes from a lot of Because I live in Saudi Arabia I know women who wear the burka And I know women who don't wear the burka And I know the reason why some of the women wear the burka Let's go there Alright Right. So the women who wore burqas in Saudi Arabia, I'm talking about Saudi Arabia now, right? So a lot of them will be either married, but they will have an affairs on the side with a different man or woman, whatever they're into.
45:57Or cousin. Maybe cousins. Well, cousin, not that much, only because cousins will know that they're married and all that. But if they're having an affair with a different man and they go out with them in a different place and all that, when they're out with their husbands and if the other man doesn't know that she's married, she needs to cover herself. because when you see all of them covered, you don't know who is who. You can't tell. You know, they're all just like, it's like an umbrella walking by itself, like a ghost. So you can't really tell who's who. So that was one of the reasoning why they would do it.
46:23Another reasoning was that some girls that I knew that they have cheated on their husband, got caught before they were like, you know, not wearing a burqa or anything. But then they're like, oh, you know what, I'm only for you. And they do put themselves in the position as well. Like, you know, I do get it. There is that thing that they're forced to wear it. yes don't get me wrong majority of the time they are forced yes but then these are some of the things that a lot of people don't know that she cheated on the husband and the husband caught her and they're like you know what i need divorce i don't want to be the child oh no no i'll change i'll change but look this is what i'm doing for you i'm fully covered nobody knows what's going on and that's another type of wearing a fur burka and then the third type is that when you have insecure men right who have wives and they're like oh i don't want to talk into anybody i don't want to show in her face to the people what if she likes someone else well that's life if she likes someone else, let her go.
47:14They're not your animals that you're going to hold on to people. The street people, as people, let's not do that. The women in the UK, the one who wears the full hijab and the full burqa and all that, they are 100 % without a shadow of a doubt wearing it because they have been told to wear it. How would a lot of Muslim men react to you being in favour of banning the burqa? Well, I've said it many times and I get death threats all the time. I don't care. The thing is, we don't live in a Muslim country. And not only that, like I said, I lived in Saudi Arabia. And even in Saudi Arabia, majority of places now, burqa is banned.
47:49So when you consider the threats you've had from fellow Muslims, your brothers, the imam, the mosque, the fact you don't agree with cousin marriage or having sex with a child once you've had her first period, and let's include the MI5 watch list, for example. There's over 40 ,000 Islamists on there. When you think of all of that in that one pot, does it not make you want to leave Islam? Well, I think with me, religion has always been between me and God. Like I said, you know, it's like it's never been, oh Liam, I can't meet up with you because you're not a Muslim. And I know a lot of Muslims do that.
48:21You know, I have seen that as well. You know, when I meet up with somebody, I didn't say, oh, hey, I'm Shoaib, the Muslim. No, no, I say I'm Shoaib. That's it, a human being. And I never will ask you, oh, what's your religion? I never ask anybody what their religion is. I know people who I've grew up with. And up until the age of 30, we didn't know what religion my friends were because they knew I was a Muslim, but I never know. So for me, I think the only time it should be questioned if I'm going to leave the Islam or not, even I should question myself if I'm going to leave the Islam or not, when my life is either revolving around it or impacting every decision that I made, then yes, a lot of people who leave Islam are driven by the book.
49:01Everything that they do is, okay, you know what? The Quran says this, Islam says that, the Prophet is in this. I don't go by those things. Like I said to you earlier that I could have been born in anywhere, you know, I could have been a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew or anything. It doesn't matter. Am I a good human being? Do I have a good character? Am I there to be kind to people? You know, and like I said, I pick these things up from the British people, from the white British people. I never had them. So, yeah, no, I think leaving the Islam, it probably would be like the last thing that I would ever do if I ever do it.
49:31I'll give you an example. So, you know, I'm not a hypocrite. I suppose this is the nearest parallel I can find that will be very similar to you leaving Islam because you don't agree with the ideology. So my dad is a convicted rapist. I was one of his victims. He didn't rape me, but he abused me. I testified against him in the court of law, and I was part of him receiving 18 years. One of my greatest achievements is he can't harm anybody anymore, at least for a long, long, long, long time. I'm delighted with that. I changed my surname so I could escape and have no association with his ideology at all.
50:08So I essentially I left the family because I didn't agree with the family's morals or ideology. So that's why I ask you, because there's there's so much barbarianism within Islam, just made me wonder, does it not make you think I've had enough of this ideology? I like Christianity. I'm in Britain. I'm going to leave. Well, I don't know. I've been offered. There's a lot of pressure I'm putting on you to even answer that. I know that. Yeah, no, I know. But like I said, I would like to be honest. I can see a Christian sparkle in your eye. Do you know what? With a touch of atheist. No, no, no, no.
50:42I think I like to keep faith. I believe in God. That's the thing. I do believe in God. And like I said, look, people talk about the prophets and everything else. I get it. They said, oh, they were the prophets. But I think at the end of the day, human beings are human beings. Yes. If you have got a connection in God and you've got faith and everything else, that's absolutely wonderful that's a different thing and for me I think that is faith because there are times when I don't find answers like you know what I'm going through my life right now with my wife's health with me having absolutely no job where I have to sell all my assets I've got nothing left under my name that I saved in 10 years being in the UK always had amazing jobs I haven't had a job since October 2024 when I got fired and we are in January 2026 so I haven't had a job the home office is sitting on my visa application so with everything that is going on Obviously, I don't have answers to anything.
51:25You're starting to sound like a lefty. You haven't got a job sitting at home waiting for it. I know. Well, but this is the lefty is the reason why I'm doing this. But yeah, so I think with having no answer to all these things, I do sometimes, well, most of the time these days, I do close my eyes and just try to find the right thing to do. Is it safe to say then that if you weren't born a Muslim, there's little to no chance that as you got older, you would have ever converted to Islam? I don't think so. I think it would have been taking a hell, a lot of things. And like I said, when I'm seeing things now, like I said, you know, my wife, obviously, she has always supported me in everything.
52:05Like, obviously, she doesn't share my views. That's absolutely fine. But she supported me. She's now more Muslim than you. No, she's not, actually. And I'll tell you the reason why, because it's the Muslims. The reason why she's not Muslim as much as they would think she would have been. No, because what she is seeing now, She's seeing everything hateful coming from the Muslim. I've been attacked by the Muslim community. There were no white ethno-nationalists who attacked me. There were absolutely nobody else. It's literally the Muslims, the converts, the gingers, the Muslims, you know, and the other ethnic different colors.
52:36None of the white Christians or Jewish people, none of them have attacked me. If anything, they have actually been nothing but kind to me. I know a lot of good Christian, white Christian people who have been nothing but absolutely kind to me, helped me in every way they could. Muslims haven't done that. So my problem have been with the Muslims. So when you see Muslims coming out and saying, oh my God, there is Islamophobia. Oh my God, there is racism. So see, for me, I don't know if you're going to agree with this or not, Liam, but for me, I don't think racism exists. Discrimination exists. Racism does not exist.
53:07So for me, imagine if there's a white girl that go up to her and say, hey, look, I like you, go give me a number. And she said, no, I don't want to give you my number. I'm not her type, that's it. I can't stand there, which a lot of Muslims and a lot of people of color do. Oh, well, you're a racist then. I'm not going to get your number. Guess what? You're a racist. So they cannot take no for an answer. They can't take defeat. They cannot believe that they are so incompetent. Victimhood. Victimhood. They are slave to victimhood mentality. They're absolutely not a thing. So for me, I don't believe racism exists.
53:37Islamophobia is a fake word. It should not be in the UK. We should not be talking about Islamophobia, let alone this being talked about in the parliament. It shouldn't be here. I'm a Muslim. I never had no problems. But if you're going to act, like I said, that if you're going to act like an animal, back and forth all the time, I think the British people have had enough. You know, the white British people have been so tolerant up until recently. They've been so tolerant and they've been like, you know what, let them be. If they want to be an idiot, let them be. But now you see these Muslims coming out and they're saying that, oh, you know what, actually, we are going to take over.
54:09Like this is actively, and I'm reading some of the reports saying that in few years time, the white British people will be the minority in their own country. For me, this is a very scary thing. Liam, I can't sleep at night. When people tell me, you know, they're not going to be white British people. Because anywhere and everywhere, a person of color has taken charge. They have destroyed that place. It's only the white people, the white British people who have done miracles, right? They are the closest that you can get to miracles. They have built things. They have given us amazing things. If the white British people were not that good, believe me, I wouldn't be sitting there.
54:45I would not be in the UK. I would be somewhere else. I would be in Pakistan if they were so good. I hear this all the time. The Pakistanis said, oh, well, you know what? We build Britain. Oh, the Pakistani build Britain. Well, you only build Britain because the white man was standing with a whip behind you. If the white man was in there to guide you where to go, you would have made UK a hellhole, which they are making. You know, look at London. You know, who's the mayor of London? He's not white, is he? And that's why I say it's a hellhole now. Literally, that's what they do. He's fucking barely human.
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56:25Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. I've seen you campaign now on the subject of white people. It's weird me even talking about race because for me, I'm colorblind. I don't give a shit what colour you are. Couldn't give a fuck. And if someone doesn't like me because I'm white or pink or whatever, then I don't care either. So really racism isn't – I mean, I know it's on everyone's radar, but for me, I don't care if someone doesn't like me, how I look. Even my ideology, if like, you know, I'm flawed. So if people don't like me because of the way I live my life, I'm like, do you know what?
56:59You're entitled to that. That's good. I'm not going to cry. I'm not going to get offended. I'm not going to stamp my feet and spit my dummy out. And if being white and bald offends you, good luck. You crack on. But I've seen you campaign for a White History Month. Yes. I mean, even I think that's excessive. But tell me your reason behind that. Well, so White History Month, I started White History Month last year as the month of June. And it's only because I was sitting there one day and I've seen things about George Floyd, Black Lives Matter, Black History Month. And I've seen some of the videos that were showed to me by some of the people in the mosque.
57:35And there was a group chat and they were saying, oh, my God, look at this. They're talking about black excellence. That's amazing. and I sat down and I said, okay, they're talking about black excellence. For me personally, I haven't come across anybody other than white British excellence. I haven't come across. But like I said, for me, I am colorblind as well. But there are times when I think it's only recently when I have actually started seeing color only because what I'm seeing, because my wife is white as well and she's been called a racist, she's been called a lot of things. And I think I do it for my wife.
58:03I do it for my daughter because she's special needs. She can't do anything for herself. So me as her father and my wife as her mother, we need to do things for her because she's white. And who's been calling your wife racist? Well, the lefties. The lefties. Yeah, when we are out and about. Basically, if you're not with them, they straight away think you're against them. So my wife was out one day, obviously shopping, and they've seen her and they said, oh, what do you think about the people in Palestine? My mom was like, oh, I don't know. Like, I'm literally busy with my own life and people got a lot on their own plate at these days, especially with no jobs and everything else.
58:36So I don't know, you know, what do you want me to say? and they said, oh, you're racist. They obviously must have missed your wife in the halal aisle wearing a hijab for them to be calling her a racist. They were white as well, unfortunately. They were white. It's always the way. I've never, none of my black mates talk about racism. Exactly. None of them. It's always some fucking white weird prat. There you go. I'm calling my own out, which I've got no problem to. Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, I know. So that's what it was. So obviously I was sitting with my wife and I was talking to her because of her family and everybody.
59:06And they were like, you know what? What the hell is this? everywhere we go, people look at us and they say, oh, we are white. They talk about the white privilege. And I said, why don't you tell them where's the white privilege of the homeless man who's on the streets with no help whatsoever and he's white? Where is his white privilege? Talk to the white veteran that's lost his legs fighting for the country about white privilege. And they are also homeless as well. A lot of the veterans that I know, they're either struggling or they're homeless. They get very little support. They get no support.
59:30I think little support is absolutely, it's a joke. When you look at the invaders, the illegals coming in, the support they're getting, and then people say, oh, they're only getting£49 a week. Okay, well, give that£49 a week to your homeless people, to your homeless veterans, to your single parents who are struggling, they can't pay their bills. Give them the hotel and see how they flourish. Give them a place to live and tell them you don't need to pay the bills. Whatever money you get from your own salaries while you work in two to three jobs, put that on your kids and see the white people flourish.
59:57Do that, but it's not going to happen. So you're not pro-migration then? No, I'm not. For me, asylum seekers are only women and children. When I see men turn up over as asylum seekers, I go, no, please get back on the dinghy and you're out. That's what I think. So anyways, I spoke to my wife, her family, and they were talking these things. And an idea came to my head and I said, oh, well, actually, I've never seen a White History Month. I see Black History Month. The Muslim get the whole air. But the White History Month, I see nothing. So, you know, that's exactly what's going on. So I said, I'm going to introduce a White History Month.
1:00:28And I went online and there was a website who have registered Black History Month in the UK. I called them. and I called them and I recorded all the calls because you know I've got a YouTube channel I do these things so I recorded myself calling them and there was a lady on the other side she answered and I said I would like to register a month and it's a history month she's like oh what would you like to register because of my accent she was like oh it's going to be a Muslim month or some nonsense month so she said yeah what would you like to register and I said I would like to register white history month with my accent she said excuse me what I said yeah white history month she literally just hung up she didn't say anything she hung up I called again I called again and she kept answering two, three times.
1:01:06She's like, what the hell, what do you want? I said, I would like to register white history, and you guys are registered black history, and why wouldn't you do? Why did you, she's like, oh, because it's inappropriate. I said, why George Floyd, that is literally on your web page, he's a criminal. Why is he on your page? But when I'm asking you as an immigrant, as a non-white, asking you to register white history, why are you saying no to me? They kept saying no to me. I called many, many agencies. Last year, I found one agency who said they would register it. It cost me 50 pounds. I got two certificates which say it's registered.
1:01:37And then I have to give them the bullet points why I would like to register. Like I said, it's just all the greatness that I've seen from the white British people. Then I had to give them a reason why. So I had to write an email to them. Why is it that I'm choosing June as the month of White History Month? And I said to them, June for me, it's sunny. It's positive. Like, you know, everything nice. So for me, white is everything nice. Anything positive, I'd be like, hey, that's white. So that's why holidays in June, the family's getting together all positive things that I see in my life it's in June when family's getting together we're going on the beach enjoying our lives so for me that was white so I said I'll do White History Month and even you won't believe it Liam nobody has done this White History Month right I had people say oh why would you do White History Month why wouldn't you do the whole year I said well I have at least started it have you seen anybody else doing it?
1:02:26No you live in the UK but you know what a white person in the UK current climate didn't suggest a White History Month They would be lambasted, chastised, thrown to the wolves and absolutely branded a racist. That's where we are now. No, but when I introduced this, when I got the go-ahead from that company, I said I will send you the... You'll start getting called a coconut. Yeah, oh yeah. Coconut, white man's bootlicker. Not only that, have you watched Django? Unchained Django? Yes, yes, yes. So there is a scene where Leonardo DiCaprio... Quincy and Tarantino. Yeah, yeah. And Leonardo DiCaprio is dying and Samuel Jackson is holding him like this.
1:03:00So what the people have done, they've taken that picture, right? They have changed the picture of Lennart Icarus to Tommy Robinson and the black guys face to my face and I'm holding Tommy Robinson. I don't mind. It's all over the internet, but like I said, I don't mind these things. And when I wore this shirt, I went out one day and I was stopped by the police. A white police officer, a white Welsh police officer came up to me, big guy, he said to me, hey, where are you going with that shirt on? I said, what do you mean? It's my fashion style. You can't tell me what to wear. When you've got people covered head to toe, you don't know who's inside it.
1:03:32They're okay. But why can I not make a fashion statement? It's my brand. This is my brand, actually. Nobody else have done it. So I did it. They were like, yeah, you can go, but you're not allowed to go on that side. When I looked at it, they were pro-Palestinian march going on. Oh, you are going to antagonize them. I said, I'm not going to do that. I am going to go. And I was walking, and you won't believe it. It was two white, woke, liberal men and one white lady. They came up to me. Oh, shame on you. Why are you wearing? And I was like, you should be proud. I am saying that you white people, The white British people Are good people Who are these Stand up to racism Protesters Yeah stand up to racism And Antifa They come up to me Okay so you've encountered Antifa and the Stand up to racism On the streets Doing your activism Yes What was the reception like Oh not good at all They were very angry So in the beginning When I was in wearing my shirt When they saw me They saw They saw a brown boy A brownie They said oh you know what He's there And walking around With this accent They said oh he's a Muslim Get him on They tried talking to me nicely And these are white people White people White woke liberals So I And this is what I did.
1:04:30I played the dumb game as well. And I went there and I had my camera with me. And I said, oh, what's going on? What do they mean by stop the boats? They're like, oh, they're racist. Don't go there. Stay with us. We'll tell you. And I said, oh, so what it is all about? So they were saying, oh, you know, there are people coming to the UK on dinghies. They're coming, you know, they're running from war and everything and they want safe place. And damn racist white people won't let them in. And I said, so you're telling me these people are coming from where? Syria, Iraq, and all these places, maybe?
1:04:55They're like, yeah. And I said, so why don't they stay in Turkey? Because when you're coming from anywhere in the Middle East, your first port before getting into Europe is Turkey. Safe country. A good country. A lot of people from the UK go on holidays there. So why don't they stay there? They looked at me a bit funny. They're like, oh, what do you mean? They don't want to be there because it's something like that. I said, okay, I get it. What about they go through France? They go through Germany? They go through Switzerland? All of these countries they go through, but they want to come to the UK, right?
1:05:25raise their life die on the way like you just said oh people die coming here why raise their life all the way to UK why don't you go to the first country that you reach in Europe that's not a Muslim country why don't you do that well they go family and I said and what I've got family in France do you see me getting on a dinghy the moment I said that they looked at each other they're like you know what this guy they're like so what do you think what do you think about these people I said I think they're illegal criminals and they should be deported oh racist racist literally and they were, they all ganged up with me and I was in the middle of that.
1:05:58They literally had 10 people and there was one lady. She kept coming to me with her, and that was a white lady. Blackard. Yeah, not a black card, the flag, the Palestine flag. And she kept hitting me on my head. And I was like, why are you doing that for? Oh, we have a Pakistani racist, a Nazi. And then there's another old man, a white man came to me and he said, why do you say that these people are criminals? I said, because I'm a Pakistani. Afghan is the border with Pakistan and we know the Afghan people a lot better than you will ever know. Because I've got cousins in Pakistan. They tell us about Afghans being deported from a hellhole like Pakistan back to Afghanistan.
1:06:31And you want to welcome them here? Third worlders, you want to welcome them in the UK and you're going to say it's okay for them to be here? You can't do that. And they're like, oh, you don't know the history. And I said to him straight, I said, I don't need to know the history. I'm here today. I don't care what your father, your ancestor did to somebody that I don't know. It doesn't bother me. I'm here today. And people have been nothing but kind to me, right? And they kept hitting me. Then the police came. They told me, oh, sir, you're agitating them. I said, why am I agitating? They're talking about Middle East.
1:07:00That's the country that I live in. I should be in the middle of everything. Yeah, who better than you to speak to? Exactly. And they were like, no, you don't understand. I said, no, I understand the Palestinians. Because I know there are a lot of people who say, why don't the Muslim country take the Palestinian in? Because that was another question. And I say to them, when I was in Saudi Arabia growing up in 1990s, anybody can Google this up, it comes up. In the 1990s, the Kuwaitis ran to Saudi Arabia. when Saddam Hussein was taking over Kuwait because he came in and he took over Kuwait literally in the middle of the night.
1:07:28So we spoke to the Kuwaitis in the 1990s when I was young and we were talking to the kids, hey, why did you leave your country? Come here. They said, we had Palestinian people. We have given them job visas to come to Kuwait and work and make a living because we were trying to be kind to them. And what they did, they got in and they seen the whole infrastructure. They went back to Saddam, basically backstabbed them. So the Palestinians were the people who backstamp Kuwait and help Saddam Hussein to take over. And when people say, oh, why the Muslim country won't take? This is why. Because we learn from our history.
1:07:59People have learned from this, unlike UK, right? So like me, you know my situation right now that I, the home office, is sitting on my visa. It's been eight months. And while I'm sat with you here, I was told by one of my friends who's a lawyer, and she said to me, look, you know what, you're doing this. Believe it or not, there's a very good chance that the home office right now sat on your visa, just waiting for you to make one mistake so they can try and deport you. Obviously, they can't deport me straight away, but they have already made my life and I can't get a job. I can't pay my bills.
1:08:30Like I said, I've sold all my assets. I've sold all my, I've got nothing left. I can't sell anything. So is there a chance you could be deported? 100%, but that is the problem. See, that is the problem. So people like me who lived there 10 years, right? I've been, I never have had no run-ins with the police. I got no convictions. I had not as much as a speeding ticket. I got nothing, right? But you had a guy, an Afghan criminal, who got to the UK in 2020 in the back of the lorry. And in 2022, he was given an ILR, which means indefinitely leave to remain. So he's as British as you and more British than I'll ever be.
1:09:05And what he did with that, so now a criminal come in, home office like, you know what? You deserve this passport. Please take it. Please take the British passport. And the next year, in 2025, the same immigrant goes to Uxbridge. And guess what he does? He goes and murder Wayne Broadhurst, a man who was just walking his dog in Uggsbridge and he goes and attack and kills him. But that is fine. They want to give their passports to people, criminal. And when we say, when people like you say, oh, you know what? We don't want these illegals coming because guess what? That guy came in, in the back of the lorry.
1:09:35He was a criminal. Oh no, but they're asylum seekers. Oh, it's okay. Let them come in. How do you know the other people that are turning up right now? They're not criminals. In my eyes, every single one of these men turning up are all criminals. and I stand by that. I stand by that. We've got proofs and proofs and proofs that we have seen that these immigrants have done it. And I have noticed another trend in these illegal aliens that what they would do, they will, every time a home office reject their application, obviously they have a lot of time to go back to them, appeal it and this and that.
1:10:03That's a forever thing they can do. But the other thing they're doing now, they will go and commit a crime. They will go either murder someone, they will steal from somebody, rape someone. They'll do that and they will hand themselves over to the police and what the police does, the judges be like, yeah, 10 years in prison, 20 years in prison, whatnot. They go sit in prison for 20 years. They are building their army. And when they come out, look what the Home Office is going to say. Oh, well, this guy's been in British prison for 20 years. We can't deport him because he's a British citizen. He does not know anything other than the British life.
1:10:33Even though he was a criminal, yes, he was in jail, but guess what? We need to give them new identities. They need to come in. And what these people will do then, then they are making a way for others. Younger generation, younger criminals, younger brainwashed lunatics to come into the UK. And then people say, oh, you know what? They're going to take over. Believe me, it will happen. What grounds are they considering deporting you on? So as an immigrant, I don't get any benefits. It's on my visa, it's a part of my visa. Do I pay into the system? Yes, I've been paying into the system since 10 years, but like, I understand that because that is me paying the fees for being in this amazing country.
1:11:09Do you now wish you'd just come over on a boat illegally? Yeah, man. Probably do this after this. Job done. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, that's what my lawyer said to me last day when I was applying for my visa. And my lawyer said to me, just apply for asylum, man. You know, the things that you do on YouTube is people know you. You've got a good base that you can give them that, you know, all the death threats that I get almost on a daily basis. And they said, if you do that, you can very easily stay within a couple of weeks. What I was told Within one and a half To three months You will get All the paperwork you need And you will be As British as anybody else All you need to do Is claim asylum And you know A lot of people said Do we do it And is all this pressure Being applied Because you're pro Tommy Robbins I mean Have you Have you Actually met And sat in a room And had a conversation With Tommy Robbins I have I have had a conversation With Tommy Robbins Yes On numerous occasions But not in a room Like one on one But I have asked My questions to him many times and he have answered it's straightforward and the thing is look at Tommy has he been friendly enough very friendly my god he's very helpful so the whole racist theory is no but I saw that when I met him in Luton just before he he got arrested and when I when I seen him you know when I seen him I spoke to me he was nothing but kind to me and I'm thinking like okay people have told me that if I turn up to Tommy Robinson I should have my passport and my bag ready because that guy's going to deport me because the way I look and you know I'm an immigrant none of that.
1:12:33It was absolutely none of that. So, but with Tommy Robinson, I don't need to sit with the guy. I can see enough of the things that he does online, that he says, that he have done his activism and everything. It shows he's not a racist. He's just a concerned citizen. He's a patriot to the UK. For me, I sometimes call him the great white British hope. You know, that's what I feel like. And you know, a lot of people that follows him, that support him. Well, it is what it is. But as I said, for me, nothing personal with Tommy Robinson. There are a lot of things that I will disagree with him, a lot of things I disagree with many, many people.
1:13:05That doesn't, you know, mean that I'm going to go and make fun of him or say things about him. No, there are things that I agree with. And those things are enough for me to say, you know what, he's not a racist. A lot of people are not racist. People have asked me about the Athenon National because I've been told many, many times, you know, the Athenon National has done an interview with me. And at the end of the interview, they're like, oh, you're a nice guy, but guess what, you're getting deported. And I'll be like, man, it's your country. If you want to deport me, that's fine. But the only people that I won't allow to deport me are the Islam sitting in the home office.
1:13:34That's a fight I'm willing to, I will fight that. But like I said, if people like you, people like Tommy Robinson, the good white British people that I know, they come up to me and say, you know what, man, don't want you here. We love you. But the thing is, you leave in the country, we'll make this country better. Guess what? I will leave. I will not put up a fight with you. This is how much I love this country. This is how much. I wonder how many people in the comments would be for you being shipped back to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia Off the back of this interview Considering your attitude is very much Contribute, assimilate Push back against Some of the radical Islamic theories I have done it against all of them And I know people say Oh what if he's just talking You have seen what has happened to me I'm sure I've sent you a lot of posts And I know a lot of people have seen it And with me losing my job The day I was losing my job with the Swansea Council Your story is pretty mad mate But I've seen it now time and time again.
1:14:30Anybody that pushes back against Islam, particularly if you're a Muslim, they seem to double down on you. Yeah, yeah. And like I said, when I was in the Swansea Council, when I was getting fired, my boss was there and she's a white woke liberal as well. And she came up to me and she said to me, look, Shoaib, why do you need to do this, man? You know, we are asking you to delete your YouTube. And they asked me to delete the same post that the imam asked me to delete as well about Tommy Robinson, that he's not racist, the white people are not racist. So she said to me, you're not British, right?
1:14:59You're not English, Welsh, Irish, or Scottish. You're not from here, basically. And I said, yeah, I've got a mirror. I see myself every single day. I know. I know what I am. So she said, yeah. On that case, why not keep your, and I had a very good job at the Swansea Council. I was in HR, payroll, amazing job, beautiful, good money, sit-in job, no problem whatsoever. She said to me, delete everything, take your job back, just relax. You know, you've got three cars. You just got a new house. If you get fired, you won't be able to pay for anything. You go, guess what? Don't forget, you don't get any benefits.
1:15:31I'm like, yeah, I know. I know. So she gave me half an hour to sit in the room and think about it. And I would just sat there and I thought to myself, obviously the first thing I thought about was my wife, my daughter, and obviously more than anybody else, my father. You know, because my father, he comes from a background that he wasn't given any education. He worked as a T-boy. He worked his way up. You know, then he worked for a very good company where he was able to send me, my brothers and sisters, to the UK. And he paid around£27 ,000 for one year of my MBA. What do you think about foreigners claiming benefits in the UK?
1:16:01No, they shouldn't. They should not. Absolutely. That is zero. And the foreigners that are claiming the benefits are the people who've never put anything in the system, unfortunately. Exactly. Yeah. So no, no. Look, I'm a foreigner. I know I've put a lot in the system because I work. I don't want that money as well. I don't want it. What I wanted is just to have my job. So I felt really sorry for my father because I'm the eldest of the house and I love my father. I don't want to disappoint him and I don't want him to, you know, just feel down because of me, which these are unfortunately he does.
1:16:29But yeah, so I was sat there and there was another colleague of mine came into the thing and she said to me the same thing. She said, you know what? You're not white. You're not British. You're not none of that. Just leave this. Delete your YouTube. Delete your ex. Just get your job back. Just take it back. And that's what I said to her. I said to her, look, you're a white Welsh woman who's been working in this Swansea council for 30 years, right? All I heard you guys talk about is how shit is Swansea? How shit is this? How shit is that? But do you do anything for the people actually? You don't.
1:16:59What you do, right, is every time you get paid, you will go abroad. So yes, you can sit there and say, oh, you know what? This country is shit. But are you doing anything to fix it? You're not. But people in the council, so for my job in the council was to work with the people and I did work with everybody and everybody really, really liked me. And I got certificates to prove that as well, that I was one of the best workers that they had. They put them out of the backlog of three years. So when she said to me, I said, you know what, you guys are being traded to your own people and you are telling me a guy who's an immigrant, who's a foreigner, yes, these are not my people, but I want to work for them because that is why I'm getting paid to do.
1:17:33So this is how my honesty was and this is how much I wanted to give back to the country, to the UK, by doing this. So I got up and I said, you know what, take my job. I'm not going to delete anything. And that was it. Literally, I made a very bad decision and I know this now. I made a very bad decision, but will I ever change that decision? Never. And we're back. streaming on Peacock. May I present to you the award-winning staff of the Toledo Truth Teller. Slap me. Let's jar something loose. Ay, yes! I like that. The certified fresh series returns. Your boss. You always like this or is this just an act?
1:18:04Oh no, this is mad. Oysters, everybody! There's a certain satisfaction when you work with someone. Maybe we could be a family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to laugh. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports.
1:18:44Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. Have you ever been approached by hope, not hate? No. You know who they are? Yeah, of course. Yeah, I could see them approaching you. Yeah, but the thing is, they haven't done it. And I would, it would be... Have you had any encounters at all with them? Yeah, I have plenty of encounters with them. Many, like even before my activism thing, I used to do a lot of online YouTube thing. And when I used to do online, they used to be commenting on my thing, saying things about me and all of these things. but I always used to counter I always used to say to them if you want to say something to me let's have a debate let's have a chat it's not a debate let's have a conversation tell me why you're right and I'll tell you why I think I'm right and I think this is what it is if I have an opinion let's say if I say oh you know what oh I think this is right but if you tell me with facts that you're wrong I will accept it if I'm wrong no but they have never come to me in that way I'm going to ask you one more question which you're going to love I'm sure or a lot of people watching may not like it so much.
1:19:51But I'm going to put Shoaib's links in the description if you want to follow his journey and see if he gets deported or not and if he gets harassed anymore by the police and counter-terrorism and imams and the mafia from the mosque. And don't forget to like and subscribe to this channel so we can keep bringing you these conversations that the mainstream won't. Final question is, if the Prophet Muhammad and Jesus Christ were exported into the here and now, as they were back in the day, who would be the better man, Muhammad or Jesus? Both of them are prophets for me. Both of them are prophets. And I think for me, looking at the things that they have done previously, I would have to rethink who I would go with.
1:20:34And will I be allowed to ask them questions before I choose the best man or will it be just off the bat? Just from the information you've had, if you had to choose who the better man was in modern day society, based on their previous behaviour? Would it be Mohammed or Jesus? Well, previous behaviour, I have to say Jesus because I think with Mohammed, I wouldn't want anybody coming in and start doing what they did with the nine-year-old because for me, I don't care who it is. I'm going to deal with them and it's not going to be a very nice thing. I'm going to deal with them very, very badly. So yes, for me, I think it will have to be Jesus.
1:21:10And this is based on the previous behaviour. What about if you had an ISIS executioner with a sword hovering over your neck, what would your answer be? I think it probably will be Jesus as well. And I'll tell you why. And I know people say, oh, well, you know, you don't have an eye, we're just saying it. I'll tell you why. Because like I said, me sat here talking to you right now, I'm already on the verge of getting deported. I don't think there's anything good that will come out of this or anything else that I've been doing. Because since day one, I've been told, if you keep your mouth shut, you will just have your life, whatever you had.
1:21:43And as I said, I lost everything. I've absolutely got nothing right now. Like I cannot even stay here and say, oh, you know what? I've got a job because I don't have a job. I can't tell them, oh, you know what? I can stay here because I've got savings to support myself. I don't have that either, right? I sold my cars. I've got nothing left. So yes, when people say, you know, oh, it's a hypothetical question or what, he's just saying it. I actually do mean it. And it shows from when I was encountered by the counterterrorism police, they kept telling me again and again, revisiting the question, hoping that I will change my answer so they can say, you know what, yeah, I will let you off the hook because you've said it's okay to have Islamic school.
1:22:18I'll let you off the hook because you said, yeah, there's a problem with the white Christian raping gangs and this and that. But because I never changed my answer, that's why I got arrested. And because I did not change my answer, that's why the Home Office is sitting on my application. And because I keep doing what I'm doing, the Home Office have literally just blanked me. Seven months, they told me that I should receive an answer from them, a decision from the Home Office in August 2025. I haven't heard anything back from them. And according to the lawyers, according to very good friends of mine, they have told me that they are watching you.
1:22:51They watch everything you do. They watch everything you say and they are taking out a screenshot. And if they're not watching me, the imams, and the funny thing is there are a lot of imams who work for the home office as well. And I know them as well. I know these people who work for the home office. So my address getting leaked, my date of birth getting leaked, you know, people coming up with my full name and this and that and saying, oh, we know what you are. We know where you live. This is your date of birth. you're born here. Who is doing it? I don't put any of this online. It's all, it's either the Swansea Council because I work for them.
1:23:20It's either the home office or it's either the police. Which one is it? Well, I hope the home office, the council and the police are all watching this to make sure that they are watching this. Can you share to bring it to their attention? And Shoaib, stay alive, man. Thank you, man. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me. Appreciate it. Thank you.
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