In short
Louise Glover’s life story, moving from long-term glamour modelling (Page 3 and Playboy) to domestic abuse, violent street robbery, and later homelessness, plus her views on support systems and the Playboy Mansion era.
Guest background
Louise Glover, 42, grew up in northern England, moved to London at 18 for modelling, then worked in fitness (personal training), nutrition, and dog walking/sitting. She says she was abused/neglected as a child, went through foster care, and her mother went to prison; she also describes childhood trauma including finding an uncle dead from heroin overdose.
Key claims
She says she never used drugs. She attributes homelessness to rent increases, weak marketing for her PT business, and difficulty transitioning to online training. She describes government/council help as minimal, claiming a homeless project offered only a blanket and no temporary housing because she lacked “priority” factors (children/mental health/diabetes). She also recounts domestic abuse by a police officer partner, including physical assaults and “hoovering,” and says she got him arrested and later achieved no-contact.
Notable examples
A street robbery near London Bridge where she was punched, kicked, and had fractured fingers and a broken rib; police/council interactions during her eviction; Playboy Mansion experiences including meeting Snoop Dogg and celebrities, and her account of Hefner as “gentleman” from her perspective.
Guests
none besides Louise Glover and the host.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOLouise Glover's Journey Overview
0:33 to 1:57
Louise shares her challenging life experiences and transition from modeling to homelessness.
“The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money.”
Childhood and Family Background
2:24 to 4:47
Louise discusses her family dynamics, upbringing, and the impact of her parents' issues.
“Appreciate you reaching out to share your story with me.”
Abuse and Foster Care Experiences
4:47 to 6:01
Louise recounts her experiences with abuse and foster care during childhood.
“But because of that, then my mum came out of prison.”
Becoming a Model: Aspirations and Influences
6:01 to 8:13
Louise shares how she became a model and her aspirations from a young age.
“and went through all this therapy and psychotherapy and everything to sort of reveal everything that I'd gone through.”
Transition to Playboy Modeling
8:13 to 10:13
Louise describes her journey into Playboy modeling and the opportunities it presented.
“But my mum still was like, oh, I'll support you and everything.”
Life in the Page 3 and Playboy Industry
10:13 to 11:00
Louise discusses her experiences in Page 3 modeling and at Playboy, including the culture.
“And what's the page three industry like?”
Hugh Hefner: Perspectives and Experiences
11:00 to 14:00
Louise shares her views on Hugh Hefner and the conflicting stories surrounding him.
“So your legs would be closed and you'd be like holding a flower or you'd be like just holding your hair and it was just a beautiful...”
Reflections on Hugh Hefner and the Playboy Mansion
14:00 to 17:06
Insights into the dynamics and experiences of living at the Playboy Mansion.
“It was almost like I was walking around with rose-tinted glasses on, as some might say.”
Personal Life and Celibacy
17:06 to 17:46
Discussion about current relationship status and the importance of personal healing.
“So currently you're single, married, engaged?”
Health Struggles and Anxiety
17:46 to 18:38
Addressing health issues and the impact of anxiety on daily life.
“I've had all the MRI scans and everything on my heart.”
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Past Relationship and Narcissism
18:38 to 20:19
Exploring a toxic relationship and the signs of narcissistic behavior.
“And then I'm always driving around different places, finding somewhere to stay.”
Abuse and Manipulation in Relationships
20:19 to 22:38
Insights into the manipulation and physical abuse experienced in a past relationship.
“but I ended up going back because they call it hoovering you back in.”
Experience of a Violent Robbery
22:38 to 24:43
A harrowing account of a street robbery and its aftermath.
“because he'd get up early for work or come in because he was doing shift work.”
Trauma and Post-Traumatic Stress
24:43 to 27:17
Discussing the effects of trauma and PTSD following a violent incident.
“People are getting away with crimes like this, not getting caught, and they're still out there.”
Transition from Playboy Model to Homelessness
27:17 to 28:00
Exploring the circumstances leading to homelessness and the personal journey.
“And also you've got to do whatever it takes to protect myself.”
Struggles with Vulnerability
28:00 to 28:20
The speaker discusses the difficulty of being open and vulnerable.
“because I'd like to just sometimes just let myself completely go and be who I am and show somebody my utter vulnerability.”
From Playboy Model to Homelessness
28:21 to 29:21
Exploration of the transition from a successful modeling career to homelessness.
“Because that's a big part of your story.”
Childhood Trauma and Its Impact
29:22 to 31:06
Discussion of profound childhood trauma and its impact on adult life.
“I needed to be at one with nature to realize who the fuck am I?”
Fear of Parenthood
31:07 to 32:26
The fear of becoming a parent due to past traumas is examined.
“You know, I've estranged myself from my siblings.”
Challenges of Becoming Homeless
32:27 to 33:34
An insight into the practical challenges leading to homelessness.
“I haven't met the right person and I don't know how I'd even meet the right person.”
Marketing Struggles in a New Economy
33:35 to 34:46
The speaker reflects on the difficulties of adapting to current marketing trends.
“No, but weren't you earning well when you were doing the modelling for Playboy?”
Job Search and Unemployment
34:47 to 36:33
Discussion of the difficulties in finding stable employment during a crisis.
“Was that never an option or did you try and do that?”
Life on the Move: Adjustments and Survival
36:34 to 38:15
Insights into living a transient lifestyle and making ends meet.
“People, I know that people will be asking, they'll be looking at the telly shouting saying, Liam, why aren't you asking this?”
Lack of Support and Community
38:16 to 39:26
The importance of community support highlighted through personal experience.
“I moved to London when I was 19, going on 20.”
Finding Help: Government and Resources
39:27 to 42:06
A recount of experiences seeking assistance from government and local resources.
“I didn't know what had just hit me, basically.”
Struggles with Support Systems
42:06 to 43:31
Louise shares her experiences of seeking help at a homeless project and the lack of adequate support for those in need.
“Or if you're not diabetic where you need a fridge, there's no priority.”
Struggles with Support Systems
43:39 to 44:06
Louise shares her experiences of seeking help at a homeless project and the lack of adequate support for those in need.
“The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money.”
Concerns About Illegal Migration
44:09 to 47:38
Louise discusses her fears about illegal migration and the prioritization of unvetted individuals over locals in need.
“I know I've got a fucking boat, so you can.”
Humanitarian Work and Personal Values
47:39 to 49:32
Louise reflects on her humanitarian work and the values that drive her to support her community.
“There's no two ways about that, but, you know, we need to get our own camp in order first before we look elsewhere.”
Life on a Project Boat
49:33 to 52:34
Louise describes her current life living on a project boat and her journey toward stability.
“People don't really go to church and all that anymore and believe in the faith.”
Reflections on OnlyFans and Personal Integrity
52:35 to 56:06
Louise discusses the culture of OnlyFans, her concerns for young women, and the importance of self-respect.
“It will be the OnlyFans phenomena that's swept the world.”
Risks of OnlyFans and Pornography
56:06 to 58:14
Discusses the dangers of OnlyFans and the impact of pornography on personal values and relationships.
“There should be someone voicing that message out there.”
Personal Struggles and Homelessness
58:14 to 59:11
Louise shares her experiences with homelessness and how it shaped her perspectives.
“and also thank you for trusting me with all of your vulnerabilities and your stories, and I hope that you kind of got something from being this open.”
Final Reflections and Messages
59:11 to 1:00:25
Reflects on personal experiences and shares final thoughts on staying safe in a chaotic world.
“It was scary at times, especially sleeping in my car.”
Transcript
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0:30This episode is brought to you by PayPal. You know how a mom's bag has everything? Sunscreen? Snacks? A stapler? The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money. Shop, pay, manage your account, and earn rewards all in one place. And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security, and pass keys, you're protected at every step. Download the new PayPal app to get started. See paypal.com slash protection terms. I found my uncle dead when I was nine. I went to prison, so I got to take off my mum and then I went through foster care. Playboy model to being homeless is quite a transition.
1:08How many Playboy models do you think Hugh Hefner had sex with? Nice guy or sexual predator? Physical abuse, someone about sexual abuse. What's that done to me? How has that affected me as an adult, being homeless? I slept in the car outside the council and I went in the next day. I said, can you just help me find somewhere temporary? All we can offer you is a blanket. So we can't help you. The other guy had come out and addressed everyone in Arabic. I was the only English person though. I'm not a fucking priority in my own country here. 13th of September with my Union Jack flag, I'll be there.
1:38Being in the wild, best thing I could have done. You put me in a survival show and I'll fucking win it. If you've not got children and you've not got a mental health issue, there's no support. Or if you don't come in the country on a boat.
1:57I want to say a quick thank you to our sponsors, Gold Seal. I use their products every single day, and now I finally get to work with them. I use their products for anti-inflammatory, reduced anxiety, better sleep and mental clarity. I'm going to put a link to their website in the description, along with a 10 % discount code for you to take advantage of. Go and have a look at their website, see if there's anything in there for you. I hope you enjoy this week's episode, and good health. Louise. Hello. How are you? I'm good. Thank you for coming on. Very brave what you're doing. Appreciate you reaching out to share your story with me.
2:30To go from a playboy model to being homeless is quite a transition. So let's just get straight into it. Tell me a little bit about your background. Well, I grew up up north. I'm a northerner. We won't have that against you. No, it's fine. We're more friendly. It's fine. But yeah, that's what the saying is. So I came to London when I was 18 to do modelling. and I've been successful as a model for, I think, 20 years. And then I've gone into other industries like the fitness industry and done personal training and then I've gone into nutrition as well and then I've also gone into the dog business, which is I look after dogs and walk them and dog sit.
3:12Would you prefer humans or dogs? Dogs. I should have a doubt. Funny there. A lot of people say the same thing. Taking it back, what was your relationship like with your dad? My dad was my absolute rock. He was my hero. I think the relationship I had with my mum was a slightly different version of probably what people would expect. So I think my mum was more the neglecting, putting me aside, putting herself forward, putting herself first and not me. And I think that has affected me as an adult and has affected me throughout my life. but my dad was always the one that made sure I was always fed, watered, fed watered, and clothed and gone to school and all that.
3:56Do you think your mum might have been jealous of you? No, no, my mum was proud of me. It was just that my mum and dad had illnesses when they were younger, so when I was younger, so to say. Okay. So without revealing too much, they did die when I was 32, both of them, months apart. And how old are you now? I'm 42. I'm sorry to hear that. May they rest in peace. And the reason I asked about your mum being jealous of you, I'm trying to find common ground because I know that my dad was jealous of me, even as a child. Well, my mum was lovely. She wasn't horrible to me. She just put herself first. Right.
4:29And, you know, she got wrapped up in things that she shouldn't have and just took over her life. So when my dad made sure I was looked after. But I did go through foster care as a child. My mum went to prison, so I got to take off my mum and then I went through foster care. So then I lived with different families. I lived with an auntie, then I went living with a nan. And because I live with my nanny who was an alcoholic, I went through some more childhood abuse, which I don't want to reveal too much. But because of that, then my mum came out of prison. This person that did some stuff to me as a child, I got him sent to prison.
4:58So there was a conviction? Yeah, he got convicted for what he did to me when I was a partner. Good. Prison. Your mum went to prison. You can either tell me or not why she went to prison. But interesting that there's common ground there because my dad was in prison when I was a child. and I would be back and forth to prisons. And I don't think it was good for me as a child to be in that environment because he wouldn't monitor what he would speak about. And I was exposed very much to adult stuff as a child. It makes my mum sad. She thinks I never really had the opportunity to be an innocent child because I was exposed to adult stuff from a young age.
5:33Is there anything there that you can relate to? Everything. I lost my childhood because of what I went through, all the abuse, all the neglect, all the pushing aside. My dad wasn't always present in my life because my mum had me over in Great Yarmouth, which is where her mum lived, and that's the other side of England to where my dad was. My dad was in St. Helens near Manchester Way, so it was completely different, the other side of England. My dad thought everything was fine. I was with my nan when I wasn't with my mum, but he didn't know what was going on until my mum came out of prison when I was nine and I revealed I went through all this abuse and went through all this therapy and psychotherapy and everything to sort of reveal everything that I'd gone through.
6:06And then obviously they put me in these rooms with cameras behind mirrors. And when you're a kid, you don't really understand it all. And then that's how it all came out. So I was just talking, playing in a room with toys and they were giving you biscuits and being nice to you. And then that's how they get all the answers out to children. Children can't lie about that sort of shit. Yeah, I had a child psychiatrist as well when I was probably about nine as well, just because my behaviour was so off the wall. And it's, I say funny, but later on in life when I was being interviewed for crimes that took place against me when I was a child.
6:42Even as an adult, they had to treat me as if I was a child. So they put me in that same kind of environment where I'm sitting down on a sofa being filmed in like a safe space. It's almost like they take you back to the original trauma as you were as a child. Tell me about your dreams as a child. So when we went out of prison, I was wanting to, well, she met someone that also was in prison. so this guy um she fell pregnant with after a year and then um mom got pregnant with my twin sisters so we was in a shop called mother care back then which is baby clothes and have you and they had a photographer and the photographer's just trying to drum up business he went oh do you want to do a photo shoot me i was like what me um yeah go on mom push me to go and do it you're very beautiful my mum always thought I was a beautiful child and so I did this photo shoot and then the week later we went back but we couldn't afford the photos and the guy turned around and said you do it's very photogenic and showed us the photos my mum was like oh my god you're beautiful you're a model and he said I look like a young Lorraine Chase who funny enough I've met bumped and bumped into her in Richmond a few years ago and I told her this story and she just couldn't stop hugging me you know so anyway that was what started this drive that I've had for modelling that I wanted this ambition.
8:00So I had something to hold on to, something to grasp at such a young age when I'd gone through such hard times and not knowing who I was or what was, you know, anything in my life. So I grasped onto, I want to be a model from nine years old. So that's where the dream came from. Yeah. Even at a young age, if you're acutely aware that you're being abused, but, and then the next minute you're being sort of loved and admired, you get an adulation for being who you are, what you look like, you're being appreciated. It's a nice feeling. Yeah, I think it was. And it was outside of the family. But my mum still was like, oh, I'll support you and everything.
8:33And she did. She did. But at the time, we didn't know how to go about it. She didn't have a lot of money. So we got one picture. And sometimes I post that picture. No one knows my story behind it, understands it really. But one day I'll properly put the story out there and explain it very well. One day you'll let rip in the autobiography. So how old were you when you got into the Playboy modelling? And how did that happen? So I always tried modelling over the teenage years. sent all my school photos off to competitions. I always enter competitions because sometimes just being there and getting spotted is the way forward and that's what happened with me.
9:04And then I think I did a page read. So this was this wet t-shirt competition that I ended up winning. Didn't mean to go into glamour modelling at all but because I won it then they wanted to do more shoots of me and pay me and at the time I was trying to go into more commercial modelling and I was doing beauty pageants. I went over to the Philippines and did my surf when I was 18. and when I came back from that I got signed by Samantha Bond which one of the biggest glamour agencies in the UK and Katie Price, Kelly Brooke, Nelma Kendra, all these girls, women, the biggest glamours of our time were Melinda Messenger were all on our books so I wanted to be with the same agency as the big girls you know so yeah that's what happened and then I think I said to Samantha Bond I would love to be in Playboy how do I go about it and she only had a couple of contacts and she found a photographer who shoots for Playboy.
9:55She sent me for a test with him and then they asked me to come back and they said, oh, we'd love it if you had your boobs done. So at the time I was natural and I think I gave it six months I found a way to get some money to get my boobs done and I did. I got my boobs done and then I went back and did another test and they said, yeah. And then I got into Playboy. So I came away from page three then. And what's the page three industry like? Was it seedy? Was there any pressure? Was Is there some dark characters? I think because I'm a very protective person, the photographers knew not to come near me.
10:24They could not fluff my hair or anything. I would literally be like, don't come near me. I can do my own hair. Oh, would they try and do that? Well, some might try, but there's never a chance with me. No chance. So I did all that myself. I don't need any help. Okay, so from Page 3 to Playboy, are you exposing even more of your flesh? Well, Playboy is one of the biggest brands in the world and one of the biggest magazines of our time. It's kind of the one, isn't it? It is the pinnacle. And even like Cindy Corpher, all the big celebrities were in there and on the covers and centrefolds. And would it be full nude or...?
10:57It was full nude, yeah. So it was more of a classy full nude. So your legs would be closed and you'd be like holding a flower or you'd be like just holding your hair and it was just a beautiful... I think it's like a work of art. Women's bodies can be shown off in a good way. Yeah, it wasn't gratuitous. It weren't degrading, no. No. I'm trying to remember some big, big names, other than Cindy Crawford, some real sort of iconic names that were Playboy, even stemming back from... When did Playboy even begin? It got to 55 years, didn't it, the Playboy magazine? And then it sort of... Then Heff sort of died off and...
11:32I want to ask you about Hugh Heffner. Yeah. Nice guy or sexual predator? I had an amazing experience at Playboy Mansion, but I've heard so many different conflicting stories. but the most conflicting stories are from the girlfriends who are now selling out on him. Do you think they're selling out for financial gain or do you think they're clinging on to trauma and abuse that they didn't want to expose back then because they were being financially looked after? It's a tricky one to really... It is. What's your gut feeling? Well, I've met all the girlfriends. I was always at the mansion. I met Holly, Kendra Bridget when they were in and then when they moved out and then Crystal Hefner moved in and she was the one that was married to him before he died.
12:13and she's recently had her book out and she was on Piers Morgan talking about it and I just there's just some things that I'm like oh I'm not sure if that's 100 % true but you've also got to remember they were the girlfriends they were his girlfriend so there's going to be all sorts of horrendous stories and luckily I wasn't a girlfriend I was just a model that got to stay at the mansion whenever I wanted to like all the other models that it's like you become part of a family so what I experienced with the mansion and being around Hugh Hefner and it was just I met all his family I met everyone that works at Playboy so I got to sort of be part of the Playboy family I loved it how many Playboy models do you think Hugh Hefner had sex with oh I don't know you probably think it's a ghastly thought as I do because thousands must probably thousands how on earth did he have that in him because even in his in his latter years he got up to 90 years old, didn't he?
13:09And even in his 80s, he was still rumping and dumping, wasn't he? I don't know. I was around when he was in his 80s and I didn't see that side of it other than like there was the girl was trying to recruit me to go upstairs to the bedroom and I was like, absolutely no. So Hugh Hefner did want to have sex with you? Not me necessarily. I don't think I was his first choice because I'm brunette. So he had a type? He did have a type. So was he a good man? Platinum blondes. So was he a good man or a bad man, do you think, deep down? From what I met of him, I only know the professional aspect of Hugh Heffernan.
13:42And I would never let people badminton to me because there's a lot of women that did go to the mansion or did become part of Playboy and magazines and that's changed their life forever. And they can never thank him enough. I'm so grateful to that man. He was such a gentleman with me. I didn't get to see what the girlfriends got to see or experience. It was almost like I was walking around with rose-tinted glasses on, as some might say. Well, that's very interesting because you could quite easily make something up now he's dead. And a lot of people are very comfy speaking ill of somebody once they're gone and they can't defend themselves.
14:15So that's very interesting that you're defending his character. That's exactly how I feel about what I'm hearing from Holly, Bridget and Kendra who admired him at one point. But I remember meeting, Bridget used to always stand on my foot. I don't know why she used to always stand on my foot. I don't think she liked me. And then Holly was always the quiet one and Kendra was just snotty and didn't want to speak to anyone. If you weren't in that clique of the girls that went up to his room, you're not part of the clique. Would Hugh have multiple women at once? I mean, I can only go off what I've heard and what the girls have said at the mansion and they just all go up to the room and they all just play with each other and I think there's all that sort of stuff going on.
14:56I've watched The Darker Side of Playboy where the playmates from a long time ago have said stuff and now the newer, I said the newer, but the latest of the playmates. or girlfriend should I say, were saying similar to what the girlfriends were saying from many, many years, like 20, 30 years before. So there's a lot of stories that match. But again, I don't know if they're speaking ill of him because he's passed and it just kind of feels a bit like that. So why now are you bringing a book out? He's been dead a while now. And like, it just feels a little bit unusual. Was there any people that would attend these parties that liked to remain anonymous?
15:31And how wild did these parties get? Was there drugs, people swinging from the chandeliers? Paint the picture of one of those parties. When I was there, Jason Strait, this is how, when I was there, so the Girls at Playboy Mansion was being filmed, and Snoop Dogg had his own show as well on the E channel. So there was two E channels being filmed. I got on stage with Snoop Dogg. He'd have me and some other girls dancing, body painted naked on stage dancing. You probably wouldn't know when naked until we'd sort of get close up, but that we were. But that was the fun of it. That was the Playboy Mansion.
16:00That was in my 20s. I lived the best of my 20s, to be fair. And then you'd get, like, Jason Stray from actually got thrown out of the Playboy Mansion for doing drugs in the toilet, in the women's toilet. I mean, you wouldn't think that, but that's what happened when I was there, because it was strict. So I didn't get to see this throwing TVs out and all the rock and roll side of what was going on in the grottos. And I didn't get to see all that crazy shit. And you was a big part of the Hollywood scene, weren't you? Yeah, I mean, I met everybody at the mansion as well. So Paris Hilton was there.
16:34You remember Matthew Perry from Friends? Yes, he died recently, didn't he? Yeah, he loved going up there. Kylie Jenner's brother, Brody Jenner, was dating one of the playmates. So there was always, we'd have like the 4th of July, we'd be like a slip and slide at the front of the mansion because the mansion's like on this big hill at the front. So they get the slip and slide out. We'd just throw baby along and just brush down the slip and slide. It'd be fun. Well, that's Hollywood and Hugh Hefner boxed off. And that was interesting to hear a first-hand account, and I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in hearing that.
17:06So currently you're single, married, engaged? I'm single. I've been celibate for two years. I want to stay away for a little while just to sort of get my head around. If I was to meet someone that they're not going to – like I've been vulnerable lately with my homeless situation, so I don't want to just rush into meeting someone. I want to sort of get my own life going great again and then I can be like, all right, I'm ready to meet someone. But I don't think I'm ready. You want to focus on you for a while. Exactly. Yeah, I want to get my health in a great place. I've been suffering with heart palpitations and migraines.
17:39I just want to get myself feeling my best again and then I can give all my time to a relationship. What's that, do you think? Anxiety? It can be. Maybe it's a hormonal change. I'm 42. I don't know totally. It's not my heart. I've had all the checks. I've had all the MRI scans and everything on my heart. My heart's absolutely fine. But I think it's triggered from something to do with stress. So maybe it's just another form of anxiety. Like you get anxiety attacks from your breathing just funny, but mine's the heart. So it's like, oh. I'm no stranger to an anxiety attack either. Oh, right. Well, it's been a long, long time because of, see, I was given a lot of drugs when I was younger by my dad and that had a real detrimental effect on my mindset.
18:21And then that led on to anxiety and panic attacks. And so I understand that as well. It could be something from, it's chronic stress, isn't it, that brings all this on. But I've had chronic stress for some time and I think I haven't really dealt with it very well. And I'm trying to like figure out where I'm going to stay next, where I'm going to get my money from work next, what I'm going to do next, you know. So it's all that. And then I'm always driving around different places, finding somewhere to stay. And, you know, I finally got my little place to live now. Yeah, we'll come to that most definitely.
18:47But yeah, you've got to be careful with stress, stress kills. So you've been unlucky in love up till now. I have. I mean, I think the biggest off-put for me was I had a partner of four years and he was a police officer. And I think it was in the year I lost my mum and dad. So I was ready to, I say, meet someone, but I think I wanted someone for the comfort of it rather than I just, I went through a year of being on my own without mum and dad passing away, should I say, and then I just wanted some comfort myself. And then I met him and I thought he was all that at the beginning and then six months in, the mass dropped and he turned into the biggest sociopath narcissist personality control freak.
19:25Okay. How long into the relationship did you notice these signs of narcissism? I didn't even notice them. My auntie said, if he's getting you to change this and do that and stop wearing these clothes and throwing all that away and you're not seeing your friends anymore, you don't want to come visit us up north and see family, why? And all these things, I was changing ways and she could hear my confidence going every time I spoke to her on the phone and she was like, I wasn't even doing my modelling at the time anymore, I just pulled back from everything. And I think I just lost myself a little bit.
19:53But also I did lose my mum and dad the year before. And I think I felt like, you know, things happen for a reason, as some people may say, but he came into my life for a reason. But I didn't need any more put down. I needed someone to bring me up. And that wasn't the case. So I did lose myself for those years. You know, I even pulled away from fitness competing, which I was winning the shows. And then when I stopped, I just completely stopped. Was there any physical abuse? Towards the end, I left him a couple of times, but I ended up going back because they call it hoovering you back in. But the manipulation was so bad that I felt so trapped, isolated on my own.
20:29And I moved to Essex to be with him as well, because before that I was living in London. And I just felt isolated there, I didn't know anybody. So we've done the whole hoovering thing, which for people that don't know, they charm you back in. They put the mask back on. very charismatic, very charismatic, apologetic, admit fault, but then very quickly change back to the old person again once you're sucked back in because you're then supplying them again. Exactly. And again, towards the end, what happened was a friend of his, I had a lot of police friends in the end, some that worked for the Met Police and the Essex Police, and there was a few females that I started confining in.
21:09And he's being like this, he's doing that, and he's chipping away at me, I don't know what to do. But what happened was I showed some photos and explained that he'd been hitting me. And you know when police get someone to put their arms behind the back and then they throw him to the body slamming to the floor? Kept doing that to me. When he couldn't get control of a conversation, he would just do that to shut me up. As if he was under arrest? Yeah, but he would get me body slamming to the floor and he'd also get me in a headlock sometimes as well. So he did all these physicals, started doing the physical side of it.
21:37And that was to shut me up, to get me out of the room or to not have... They don't like confrontation. and they don't like it when you say what they're doing because they hate you pulling them up on, what's it called? They don't like being caught out because then they're exposed. Exposing them. They don't like being exposed, narcissists, yeah. And how did you flee in the end? I got out of it. Because that's tough. Yeah, I got him arrested and he was on a firearms course within the police because he was trying to move over to the firearms. And I'm just quite glad that, because he got suspended a few times in the police for speaking badly to his inspector, which you just don't do, because that just says to them that he's a freaking arsehole anyways.
22:16But yeah, so when he got arrested, he got investigated, and then I just sort of got my stuff, moved out the house, because I was living with him for three, four years, and then that was it. Did you manage to go no contact? Yeah, I did. Without relapsing? Well, the police said you couldn't talk to him anyway, and at that point I was just like, we weren't even sleeping in the same room. We was in different rooms for nearly a year, year and a half. I think I'd moved out a couple of times, moved back in and just took the other room because he'd get up early for work or come in because he was doing shift work.
22:43So we did sleep in different rooms. But I guess for me, it was just I needed something to break that. And that was the final. Final straw. You've also been a victim of a violent street robbery. Is that in London? This was in London when I was living there, yeah. Can we go into that? Yeah, yeah, it's fine. What happened? So I was working in the city. I was doing a personal training course at the time. So I was just working on reception at one of the Vice City gym, doing the memberships. And then I was the one that locked up the gym quite late. So it's like maybe nine, nine at night. So I got the bus home.
23:17I lived near London Bridge at the time. So from the city to London Bridge isn't too far, but I think half an hour. And then between half nine and ten, I'd get off this double decker bus. As I was on the bus, it was December. So it was a week or two weeks before Christmas. I remember being on my phone on the bus and then I remember just throwing my phone in my bag. and I had an over-the-shoulder bag. Anyway, I was just walking. It was literally two streets behind the high street where I got off where I was living with my best friend, Tansy. Anyway, I got off this bus, never seen anyone, never thought of nothing.
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23:47I was in a world of my own and then I just heard a shuffling of a coat from behind me and I've turned around and some guy just punched me in the face. Next minute, my legs have gone from underneath me, you know, when they kick the back of your knees. I've gone to the floor. Then I'm just getting kicked and thumped and punched and whatever and just on the floor like this. I've got my handbag from my shoulder to here and I'm just curled up on the floor and they're kicking the shit out of me. And then they jump on my hand because they're trying to release the bag. And then they froze my fingers back.
24:14They were fractured. They got my bag. And then I got one last kick into the ribs, which broke my rib. And then they ran up to the end of the street. They've emptied my bag. I can see them emptying my bag. And I'm shouting help. But these are blocks of flats where I was living. So people was up high. They can look out the windows. Are you all right? I was like, oh, help. So they ran off my bag. I see them with my phone and then they just, all three of them ran off. Were you able to identify them? Were they masked? They had their heads up. It was dark. I wouldn't have known who was who and what was what.
24:44So did they get arrested? No, no. See, this is the frightening thing. People are getting away with crimes like this, not getting caught, and they're still out there. And you think of the confidence that they'll gain by getting away with that, scot-free, and you think we live in a surveillance state now, CCTV everywhere. Even with the hoods up, you'd like to think that a shop or some eye-level CCTV would catch that shit. We tried to get the CCTV, but again, it's just they had the hoods up. You're never going to see them. Yeah. How did you recover from that? How did it affect you as well? I moved out of the area.
25:18I moved from, people say never leave the south side of London, but it was like London Bridge, which is just part of the south. But they're all over London now. I mean, I moved out of London not long after that, to be honest. I moved into Essex and that's when I met the police officer guy. So did you see a decline in safety and sort of atmosphere in the air in London, the stint that you lived there? Definitely. I mean, I think that's when knife crime became a big thing and I'm really lucky that I didn't get stabbed by them three guys because that would have been the other. If I resisted even more, I think they would have pulled a knife out.
25:52But I don't remember seeing a knife, but clearly I didn't resist enough for them to be. I think they were opportunists. Yeah, but you did try and resist for a little while. I did. I was on the floor. I didn't obviously kick and punch them back or anything. I was just holding on to the back for this dear life. You gripped your bag for long enough for them to fracture your fingers, prising your hand on them. Yeah, but I didn't realise what was really going on. It was so quick. I can't even explain how quick it was, seconds and minutes. I just don't even know. I mean, it's not nice. I think I went into a shock of fight and flight.
26:22When you get jumped from all angles, it is discombobulating. And it's frightening. What about afterwards? Did you get any aftercare? Any counsel, any treatment for that? No, but I did struggle with post-traumatic stress disorder for a while. I still have, I'm hypersensitive with my hearing. I think it's because the first remembrance of it was I turned around and heard the shuffling of the coat where they were running up to me and then punched me. That's made my hearing go high. So there was a time about three months after that where someone almost walked into me and I screeched. And I say the word screeched because I've never heard my sound come out of me the way it did when this person almost walked into me.
26:57and that actually got me really upset because I'm like, oh, things are just making me so jumpy. So it's, yeah, has affected me. So you moved out of London. One of the best things you've done? Any regrets? I miss London in a way because it's a beautiful city. Do you miss the old London or the current London? The old London, obviously. So you've been through more than your fair share of trauma. There's more that's happened, but some things are best, you know, kept close to the heart. Yeah. Everything needs to be revealed. And also you've got to do whatever it takes to protect myself. And whatever makes you feel better, whatever gets you to sleep at night.
27:31Sometimes it's just revealing a little bit or you reveal certain bits to certain people that you know will be able to understand. I think you understand me though. Oh, I've got a very good idea. Because you said you've been through some similar. Sadly, I've been through, I say sadly, I've been through a lot of trauma. I'm quite grateful for it in a weird way because I then, I'm able to help other people when they come to me with theirs. It's like you're not on your own. I get that. I get the aftermath. I get the PTSD. I get the nervousness. I get the being not very trusting of people, which is a shame because I'd like to just sometimes just let myself completely go and be who I am and show somebody my utter vulnerability.
28:07But there's a barrier there. Go have the guard up. It will take a lot of time for me to be completely and utterly open. But then again, when I am, I really am. So hopefully someone will come along where you can be that person as well. but let's move on to you becoming homeless. Okay. Because that's a big part of your story. How, because I'll tell you what I was going to ask you and I'll be honest with you. When I initially saw that someone's gone from a Playboy model to being homeless, I immediately thought drugs, drug addicts, you've lost everything, but that's not the case. You've confirmed before I've even asked that you've never even touched drugs.
28:40So I'm an anti-drug, yeah. Okay, so this is going to be interesting. It's because I've seen so much growing up when I was a child. I was around drugs. I was surrounded by people who's drinking, alcoholics, and I've seen so much bad things happen when I was a kid. Put you off. I found my uncle dead when I was nine and he had a heroin overdose. Now, I know my cousins wouldn't like me to say that because they'd like to think he didn't die of a heroin overdose, but that's exactly what he died of and I found him dead at nine. And at nine, I was already going through so much trauma. My mum came out of prison.
29:08I found my uncle dead and then I had to go through what I went through in court to stand up against a paedophile you know that you know views me from being a baby till I was nine that's a lot to go through that's a lot to go through and nine is a very significant year in my life so if I do ever write my book I will literally have maybe a couple of chapters about when I was nine there's so much that happened it might sound silly because I know you know well it's not silly actually I call myself a survivalist not just from I mean I went on some website about abuse and I literally tipped every fucking box of abuse from being a kid to now I'm not just about physical abuse I'm on about sexual abuse and financial abuse with a partner as well and then so all these abuses what's that done to me how has that affected me as an adult that sometimes I have to ask myself all these questions and then when I have when people look down my Instagram gosh used to be backpacking and traveling because I needed to go off and find myself.
30:11I needed to be at one with nature to realize who the fuck am I? Because I've had my life, there's been so many distractions go on in my life. And that, I remember Donald Trump saying something about his ex-wife when he had her in business and he said something like, it hardened her when she went into business and he wished he never had her in the same business with him, you know, because I think she worked within at the hotels or something she worked in. And he wished he never brought her into business with him because it hardened her instead of softened her. She lost her softness. She lost her softness.
30:44And I think along the way, I've definitely lost my softness as a woman and I want to find that. I want to get that back because I owe it to myself, all these distractions throughout life. And being soft is a nice feminine trait. It is. And I have got that in me and it's there. And I can see it when I'm with all the dogs and I'm looking after and nurturing dogs. And I think that's why I turn to dogs because I've had all this abuse in my life. It's the only unconditional love that I can find. You know, I've estranged myself from my siblings. I'm the only half siblings. They were never there for me.
31:14When my mum and dad died, not their dad, it was just their mum. They were never there for me. My mum's side of the family were horrendous. Like my nan was an alcoholic. My mum was the drug addict and a drinker. And then my auntie was a drinker, but I watched her die. And then that was a year after my mum and dad died, I watched my auntie die. So I've lost all my mum's side. and my uncle died of a drug overdose when I found him dead when I was nine. So I went through all that and then my siblings weren't there for me when I really needed them most. But what I have to ask myself is, why are they not there for me?
31:45Because they're not really family. They're not really understanding the values that I have. So what I need from them, they can't give. And you've not got children, have you? No. Do you think because of the abuse you went through, it scared the daylights out of you to bring a child into this world just in case? Not that it would have been at your hands, but you just know that if any damage happens to a child, it sticks forever. I couldn't bring a child now into this world because I wouldn't be able to protect them. I'd be wrapping them up in so much cotton wool. I'd be the most protective person.
32:20I don't think that's a great thing. So I don't know. I think the way it was now going, definitely wouldn't. And you wouldn't want children now? No, no. I haven't met the right person and I don't know how I'd even meet the right person. I don't know if I've got a lot of work to do from the inside I get the whole nature thing by the way just so you know I can relate people can hurt you but nature can't exactly so you're safe there it heals me too it actually rewilds me and going back to being homeless it's the fucking greatest thing I ever did for myself and how did that happen? because the rents have gone up the cost of living's gone up my marketing isn't the greatest when it comes to pushing personal training or pushing the dog walking business so I do struggle I think that's my weak point is marketing.
33:03But that always, the goalpost is always moving because the internet's always changing, you know, new things are coming in. But also AI, fitness, it's changed already. I mean, after lockdown and COVID and everything, people went online. I was an in-person trainer. That was my actual strongest point in person rather than online. And I never quite made that jump to being an online PT. And then obviously I think this is the contributing factor to why I've got where I am and become homeless. But I never had a load of money anyway. Did you earn a lot and then spend a lot because it was easy come, easy go when you was modelling?
33:38No, I lived in London. It wasn't cheap. No, but weren't you earning well when you were doing the modelling for Playboy? Right. So anything that's a brand, I haven't earned well from you doing it for the prestige. Like when I shot with Nike and Adidas and Reebok, for example, when I got into the fitness in my 30s, they paid me through clothing and maybe a couple of hundred quid a day at the most. What were your overheads that forced you to become homeless? My rent was more, he wouldn't need to, my landlord wanted to up the rent. I was only there a few months at this place. The landlord was trying to up the rent by another£250 a month.
34:12From what? From£500. To£750. To£750. Okay. And that was kind of the going rate in Windsor. And Windsor now is the most expensive area to live, one of them. so I'm actually pushed out completely now. I can't even afford to get back in Windsor and I've been like that for over a year. So I've been staying at campsites so I could still get to Windsor to do my dog walks and I've had to change my radar to a bit further out to try and get work elsewhere. I was going to say, could you not, just playing devil's advocate, could you not have got a job and done the sidelines and just made it work, even if you struggled for a while, gone to a gym like a Virgin Active and just said, look, I'm a PT, I'm enthusiastic, I work all the hours God sends, but I need this money to keep a roof over my head.
35:01Was that never an option or did you try and do that? I did actually work a couple of normal jobs. So I went to the pubs and the cafes just to sort of get something at weekends because I knew the weekends are the busiest because the tourists coming to Windsor. It was zero hours. I got sent home after four hours. I worked bank holidays. if it rained, they'd just send me on like four hours after rather than seven hours after. And then that wasn't enough money. When you got to that stage, did it make you regret doing the modelling in the early years? I've never regretted modelling. Never, never, never.
35:33I just never understood money management, I suppose. But then I always had, and I've moved, I can't even tell you how many times I've moved, probably 60, 70 times in my actual life. Probably more than that. I actually don't know. But proper addresses, I probably had maybe 30, 40. I don't even know. Is there still not modelling opportunities for you? There is if I get my six-pack back. So the fitness industry. Would that be fitness modelling? Yeah. And also, being honest, as a woman, as an ex-Playboy model, top of your game on the most prestigious cover, is it a good idea just relying on your looks to earn a living?
36:12I don't think I've relied on my looks. I think I've relied on my initiative. I think I've relied on my drive and my ambition. and my personality as well. Because like, yeah, your look is what gets you some of the work. But if you walk into a room in a casting and you're miserable, you're not going to get the job. You've got to smile and be happy. And it's almost like acting. Okay. Do you want... That makes sense? It does make sense. And I'm just... People, I know that people will be asking, they'll be looking at the telly shouting saying, Liam, why aren't you asking this? How come you didn't carry that same ambition over to when you was nearly homeless and you had to really push harder to get a job?
36:49to pay for your roof over your head because i was moving all over the uk so i would find like an urbnb that might have had like someone has a spare room and i'd be paying that so then i might be in high wycombe then i might be in windsor then i might be all the way over in guilford so i was driving left right and center to find the most affordable rooms that i could stay in to make it affordable for me to be able to still have a roof over my head that's where i'd get my showers and be able to cook my food when i was on the in between that i was in the campsites if i could get my dog sits in between I'll stay at houses look after dogs and I've got access to showers and bathrooms and a house basically with the kitchen so I tried to make all that work for me in the past year and I've managed to make it work for me I've used my initiative to make something work where I've still been able to get access to like the gym was always good with me because I used to work there I just couldn't get clients I've advertised for PT I've advertised for more dog walks more I've gone more dog sitting than dog walks because I wasn't even in my area anymore so getting a job and one there's not enough money from these jobs and two I'm not in an area where I can work an actual job and I've got these this business that I've been working with for years and that's why I introduced dog sitting and dog walking because PT wasn't enough money and enough work so I do two jobs but then I was doing three jobs because I was working in the pub and then I tried to work in the cafe and it was just zero hours and I just walked away from that because it was just successful.
38:15What's your support group like? Have you got a good support group? I haven't got anyone. I don't have a support group. I'm down here on my own. I moved to London when I was 19, going on 20. I did Page 3 and I was being successful at the time, so I moved down here. And then I did Playboy at 21. See, this is why I think it's essential and very important that people stick together because when people have support groups, things like this don't tend to happen because people would pull together whilst you was going for a turbulent time. So it's very sad hearing that answer. And when your landlord said, right, your rent's being put up and you said it's not feasible at the moment, how much notice did you get to leave?
39:01Because you have to then say that you're homeless. What kind of support did you get from the government and the councils? Well, he was expecting me to move out that day. Oh, okay. Well, that changes everything. That was really weird. And I said, you've got to give me four weeks. Now, you know, I was playing devil's advocate saying, well, why don't you go and get a job? And why don't you do this? Why don't you do that? That's with me thinking a landlord would have given you 30 days, three months. So he's telling you on the day, I need this extra or you're gone. Basically. And that's the day I got these banging migraines.
39:29I had to sit in my room. I couldn't even look out the window. I had to cut everything dark. I didn't know what had just hit me, basically. And then this new migraine. it must have been this is why I know it's stress because it all happened the same days the morning he said it the afternoon I was just laid up in bed I was like and then the heart palpitation started and then that same week I was in A &E and then the week after I went back to A &E because I didn't have the answers I got the first week and I'm like I feel like I'm having a stroke and they didn't find anything from the ECG and sent me home and give me aspirin but my point is I then only had a solid two weeks to properly look into it because the first because I said to him give me four weeks so I made I went online and got something I said you've got to give me four weeks it says it here I had four weeks so I didn't have four weeks to look for a job I had four weeks to look for somewhere to stay so the job thing was out the window the most important thing was to find somewhere to stay and you had to manage your health well my health was just and it's still now like that I get seven, eight palpitations a day I actually get a lot more than that but the seven that I feel that I'm frobbing that I have to sit down I go dizzy my arms and legs go tingly I do feel like I'm having a stroke and that's how my mum died so it does I think freak me out that little bit more because that is how my mum died but and there are people have told me that that's probably what it is but anyway yeah so I got a tent and I had some festival event work on so I do a lot of hostessing when I can get the work it's just self-employed if I find the work I do it and it was in Cheltenham so I drove to Cheltenham the day that was the fourth week I got my stuff in the back and I went Choltenham I stayed in a campsite I literally went and did some eye test day boring work for a few days and then I got some festival event work then I got some army barracks work where there was the families end of year summer event party it was fun and then just all different event work some dog show work which was good around the dogs all the good dogs What about the government?
41:31Did they help you? Oh no, they didn't help me. I slept in the car outside the council in Maidenhead, which is Windsor Maidenhead. And I went in the next day and I said, I've been going back and forth. I've been ringing you up. I've got no work. Can you help me? I'm sat there thinking I'm waiting for them to help me. And I go back to the guy and I'm like, is there anything happening? He went, you need to go to the homeless project in Windsor. I said, but I've always gone in there. They've always told me to come here. No, there's a woman, they go see her. and as I was sat there waiting as well the other guy had come out and addressed everyone in Arabic who was sat in the waiting room and I was the only English person there and that made me realise I'm not a fucking priority in my own country here I am not and anyway I went to the as soon as I went to the homeless shelter in Windsor not shelter sorry project they turned around to me and they said they know about me because I've been going in there quite often they went all's we can off you as a blanket so we can't help you I said it's nothing for people who are not at the bottom and not at the top I'm in the middle I'm still trying to work but I've not got enough money coming in to to get by or to find somewhere to stay I said can you just help me find somewhere temporary just anything and they just literally pushed me out the door with a blanket and they did not help me the woman looked I mean there was a death stir between me and her the way she spoke to me and she's just basically giving this blanket and I was like yeah there's just no help if you've not got children and you've not got a mental health issue, there's no support.
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43:53And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security and pass keys, you're protected at every step. Download the new PayPal app to get started. See paypal.com slash protection terms. Or if you don't come in the country on a boat. I know I've got a fucking boat, so you can. Well, I'm going to move on to your boat. But at the moment, as you know, there's a wave of illegal migration. people are coming here for illegal means and they're turning up on our shores. And we now know for it to be a fact they're getting sent straight to a hotel, given mobile homes, an allowance, a top up. Some of them are now tapping into local businesses, getting paid cash in hand.
44:35A lot of money. It's fucking obscene what's happening. How does it make a single woman like you feel, knowing that you've tried your best, You've given it your best shot, not lived an ideal life by any stretch of the imagination. A little bit of help wouldn't go amiss. How does it make you feel when you see people that are coming in and they're just getting looked after, immediately no questions asked, and they're not fleeing war-torn countries either, people thinking we're talking about refugees because we're not. We're talking about economic illegal migrants. Unvetted men. Unvetted men. So it triggers me.
45:09So sort of a loaded question. How does it make you feel that they get prioritised and how does it make you feel as a woman that lives alone that these men are out there walking free and they're unvetted? Well, it's scary. There's something absolutely sinister going on within our government. I believe that, you know, I was, do you remember the London bombings, the 7-7? Yeah. I was at the station next to it when that happened, me and my best friend. we were freaking the fuck out because I lived in Angel Listington right by you know King's Cross yeah so we basically got put in this room and said you're not leaving you've got to stay in here it's safe and then by the time we could leave hours later they just took our information and we all left it's fine but we were so shocked and freaking out like what's going to happen can it happen down the road because the just so much going on and we got back and we just didn't leave the studio for about a week.
46:03We just felt like a week, but we just didn't know where to go, what to do, because it was that time in London. And how has it gone from, which was now 20 years ago, things like those moments that happened and very scary moments of attacks in London and the UK to all these unvetted men coming in. But aren't these unvetted men, some of the men that did some of these things in the past of some of our memorable, scariest moments. But there are people that certainly share the same ideology. And if people think that ISIS aren't amongst those economic migrants, then they need a check up from the neck up and a real strong reality check because just the sheer volume alone will tell you that someone in that pack is very dangerous.
46:53And I'm going to say allegedly so I don't get my door kicked in and get arrested. But I think people can connect the dots. And the people that can't, the liberals that are standing up and fighting for and protesting outside these hotels, stand up to racism when there is no racism. They're really contributing towards a big major problem in the country and they're not helping women like you. Yeah, it's not a good place out there at the minute. It's scary. And for someone who's come from abuse as a child and trying to be an adult, we just need safety. We just need our safe place when you're older.
47:26We do. I'm now coming to a place where it's becoming a very scary place to live. I would love to go and live the other side of the world, but apparently my friends in Australia, Canada, America, they're all having the same problems. Yeah. It's not just the UK. Oh, this is being done by design. There's no two ways about that, but, you know, we need to get our own camp in order first before we look elsewhere. So if you had it your way, would you stop migration? Illegal migration. You'd stop illegal migration. The unvetted men that are just sort of sneaking through the borders and getting in and, you know, It's just like they're taking over our system, which is a fucking failed system anyway, as I found out from being homeless myself.
48:02So the system isn't even there for people. The priority list for the English people, they're not even getting through it. And I've been told that from the council. A woman who works for the council, when she told me that on a Facebook group, in a private message, even if you got on the priority list, you're not even going to be a priority. I mean, how many years now? Is it 15 or 20 years to get a house? It's something stupid like that. Yeah, it's obscene. And the reason why I wanted your take on illegal migration or migration, whether you was for or against it, is because I know that you've done humanitarian work.
48:37So it's not as if you're a horrible person and you're not into human rights because you've done some great stuff. And tell me briefly about some of your humanitarian work. Well, I went to Belize to build a school after natural disasters. and they needed volunteers from around the world to go out and help. So I helped build a school in Belize in the jungle. I then got to go to the island Half Moon Cay, which is right next to the Great Blue Hole. And I got to help restore an island where the hurricane completely ripped it apart and that was a natural animal reserve. And then I've gone over to Malaysia and helped extend the preschool and teach English to the children.
49:14And then I've gone also to the Amazon rainforest and helped out there and I've then built a school in Peru. because I felt the need I had to do that was the right thing to do. And that's why I believe what's going on out there at the minute, we have to stand up for our country because it's the right thing to do. Yes, religion is sort of like phased out. People don't really go to church and all that anymore and believe in the faith. But I feel like sometimes I need to bring this faith back because that's going to be our standing point. We are a Christian nation. Yeah, how do we bring that back?
49:46Looking back on your life, is there anything you would have done differently? You can't say what ifs. And this is the thing with everything. You can look at everything and go, what if this, what if that? It's just there's no way you can really grasp that because it's not real. You can't make it a real thing. I don't know what I could change. Any regrets? I often ask myself this question, by the way. I guess if I didn't go into glamour and I did the chosen career that I wanted, which was commercial fitness and health modelling and beauty modelling and all that, that would have been the difference that would have made me maybe a greater model.
50:23But I still became one of the biggest in my industry for the decade I was in it in my 20s. So I'm very proud of my mum and dad were really proud of me, even though they're gone now. They were so proud of me. And it was them that came with me to some of my first modelling competitions because I couldn't go when I was under 18. I had to have an adult presence and my dad came to Manchester. I kind of lied to him as well I went it was a white lie that's what he told me it was a white lie I went oh I've got through to the next round in London we're after to get to London now so he borrowed the money off my nan and went to London on the train and my dad's like supporting me and on the way back he went I told him I made that up I didn't get through to the next round because I'm not tall enough to be in these competitions I was 5 foot 4 is that what you are?
51:03and fashion is more like 5 '8 for a woman or 5 '7 Kate Moss is 5 '6 though I was going to say back in the day I remember as a young man a lot of models were sort of stick thin and very tall yeah that's fashion but my dad so my dad turned around on the train and he said oh so you did a little white lie I went yeah he said I'm still proud of you for trying and that's what embedded into me the motivation because my dad said good for you for trying keep telling white lies no no no just keep trying yeah you'll get there and because you've lived such a very interesting life be it traumatic and fascinating I'm not just focusing on the negatives.
51:41So tell me, what are you most proud of yourself for? What's your greatest accolade? I think working with animals, working with communities that build not just schools but build hope. I saw a change when those schools went up. People don't see that side in me because I haven't posted everything about them, but I knew that people died in them communities from the natural disasters, so I've gone over there I don't ever help them. And they love that. So I think the more I work with animals, the more I see, I don't know where it's going to take me, but I don't know. That fulfills me. That makes me feel good.
52:21Yeah. And that's what it's about. Yeah, that's what I wanted to know. What makes you proud of being you? What are you most grateful for? And, you know, you've just listed off some very nice, honourable things there. Now, the last thing I want to ask you today, and I don't know how far we'll get into it, It will be the OnlyFans phenomena that's swept the world. But before we move to there, tell me now, tell me a day in the life of Louise, because I know that you train, you live on a boat, you're very peaceful there. Yeah. Give me a day in your life now. Now, I've got a project boat now. So although I've been homeless, I'm still classed as being homeless because I don't have an address, but I've got this little cabin boat.
53:02It's not a narrow boat that people would expect, like a proper kitchen on there. it's got like a unit in there it's got like I'm basically doing it up every other day I'm just like playing around with it then I'm trying to do a dog walk or a dog sit I'm trying to like look into work so I'm sat on my laptop like finding ways to be creative look for work and find ways of maybe raising a profile that might then help maybe gain some work somewhere or think of a way of turning that into something more or just build building my confidence up even like today this is maybe a chance for me to build up my confidence and come back and say look I've got the boat now I'm not homeless because there's a lot of the homeless stuff out there but no one really knows I've got the boat because I've not really announced it and you know so the project boat has been my little baby where I've been like turning it in I've got it on a good price and turned it into like something like livable and home and the door can lock at night and I feel safe it's in a marina so I feel safe there there's a community the boating community is lovely they're really sweet people and they all totally understand me they don't know nothing about my past or anything like that which is good they've just seen me with my boat all we talk about is boats the marina or the sea bird or the river birds and yeah so I'm learning a lot which is great and in a few weeks I'm going to get taken out on the boat to learn how to to drive it basically and are you happy I'm happier I'm still getting there it's not going to happen overnight but we're all work in progress yeah I've just joined back to a gym now I've got somewhere stationary for now I don't know what I'm going to do over the winter.
54:31I haven't made a plan. I might have to winterise the boat or try my best to get as much dog sitting as I can, especially in the coldest months. Maybe you can use your platform because I'm going to put all your social media links in the description. Maybe, you know, fit in your forties, you know, push women to get fit and not give up the fight and overcome adversity. I mean, you're probably a very good ambassador for that. I think so. Yeah. I think I've just signed a contract with a company that do a fitness app and all they're needing from me at the minute is all my photos and videos and then we can get that going and they've got a huge platform themselves and then obviously i'll reach out to my platform and say look this is what i'm now doing do you want to become part of this fitness um app that i've designed and go from there really i think that could be my turning point because it's an online training which is something i've always wanted to do and i can go anywhere on my boat and live anywhere on my boat on my laptop yeah you can freelance i'll be a A nomad.
55:29Yeah, I've got a friend of mine that's lived as a nomad for years and he said it was the happiest he ever was in his life. Now, what would stop you from signing up to OnlyFans and getting people to pay to see your flesh? Because a lot of people are doing that, especially people with modelling backgrounds. And it's a very easy, quick fix to get money. Because I've realised it's not about showing your flesh. It's more about what you can do for their men. I think it's where a lot of manipulative men sit and wait. I'm fearful for the youngest of the girls that are on it, only because I've come from glam modelling and I understand there can be some seedy parts of it.
56:05I fear for the girls that are naive, that are going to get manipulated into doing things that they shouldn't be doing. And then it's out there forever. There should be someone voicing that message out there. I got really upset when Olivia Alwood did this show about OnlyFans because it was almost like, ta-da, everyone go do this and this is how it works. It felt like it was promoting it. What would your message be to OnlyFans girls? Don't devalue yourself. Have some morals. and have a lot of respect for yourself. I couldn't do that kind of stuff. I have too much respect for myself. To go into the porn industry, it's not for me.
56:41Porn is a whole new level of just how the fuck can you switch your mind off from that sort of shit? I don't know. And when I've been through what I've been through, all I want to do is heal as a person, why would I put myself through more? We live in a throwaway society and a quick fix society. If we want a pizza, we get it delivered. We want anything, it's on tap. We've all got an app. Oh, I fancy this. I fancy some beers being delivered. I mean, people even get their cocaine delivered nowadays. It's like whatever you want is there on your doorstep in record time, and that goes for sex and pornography, so it completely detaches any connection you can have of a human being.
57:17And I wonder, you know, people that watch porn, they'll be like, oh, fucking Liam, you know, what's he on about? I'm telling you, take it from a person that used to watch too much of it. It darkens your soul. It dampens your spirits. It kills your connection. And sex drive. Yeah, oh, yeah, you've got no sex drive. They're not interested in intimacy because it's there. Oh, job done, lovely jubbly. I can go about my day's business now. It's like there's a lot more to life. It affects relationships. It kills relationships. And anyone that's struggling in a relationship, and I say this to my friends, when they're having a bad time with their partners, I say you're watching porn.
57:50They say yes. I say, well, that's the first thing you stop immediately. He sensitizes. Completely. And then, you know, a lot of these women that are doing crazy stuff online, you know, you don't want a wife that does that. But then again, you get used to watching that. That's what stimulates you. And then it all dies in the bedroom. It's like, shit, just keep it normal, keep it romantic. Dim the lights, put some Celine Dion on and away you go. But yeah, we live in crazy times. Maybe I'm getting old. I don't know. But before I ask the final question, and also thank you for trusting me with all of your vulnerabilities and your stories, and I hope that you kind of got something from being this open.
58:28I think what I've gained from it is being able to open up to someone who has been through similar experiences or else it would never have come out. And I think sometimes, like, I've held on to some things that people have only ever, even, like, on the internet, you might see, like, the weeds went in foster care as a child, but they never know why, what happened in that time. That's, like, the void that no one would ever understand me for. And there's still, even today, I've not said much. I've only said, like, snippets. But it's enough to know something went on that wasn't great, that affected me as a child.
59:00and I was robbed of my childhood because of it. And, you know, like I said, I love travelling because it's my way of, like, living. So everything I do now is to live my best life. Even being homeless, it was miserable. It was scary at times, especially sleeping in my car. It was horrendous, especially in, like, car parks, which wasn't safe. I didn't even sleep when I was sleeping in my car, to be honest. I didn't get any sleep. I was just exhausted. But being in the wild, best thing I could have done. I literally, you put me in a survival show and I'll fucking win it. Yeah, you just watch out for them bears.
59:32Now, where can people find you? What are your social media platforms? And I will add the links. Yeah, my Instagram's just Louise Glover. My, what's the other one? X now, isn't it? It's not Twitter anymore. Formerly known as Twitter. I think it's just Louise Glover and all of them are my name, yeah. And your final message to the masses would be what? Just stay safe. I mean, the world's a bit nuts, like they said, so you've just got to look after yourself and stay out of trouble, basically. but saying that I'm turning up to Tommy Robinson's 13th of September with my Union Jack flag I'll be there how about that and just so people know that are watching this none of this is scripted in fact in the green room when Louise started talking I said don't say a word because I want it to be organic for me but he's a good man he's a friend of mine he's misunderstood and represented by the mainstream media so I know the man he's a good man and he does he does genuinely care if you've enjoyed this episode and you want to see more of Louise, follow her journey, look at her boat and see where she travels and keep on top of her fitness regime, give her a follow.
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