Preventing The GENOCIDE Of Christian Britain - This Could Happen: Bob of Speakers' Corner

29:01And I'll just put it on the table. I do not know the crimes of Fred West. I'm literally just going on what you said. Oh, do you not know anything about Fred West? Vaguely, vaguely. I know it was something to do with killing kids. He murdered his own children, random females, young girls, prostitutes. He killed himself in jail. I mean, he's not the worst person I could have picked. So I'm glad that you don't really know much about Fred West because that will blow people's brains out to think that you'd allow him, you'd forgive him just because he... No, no, no, no, no. It's not me who forgives.

29:29It's God who forgives. But what I'm saying is if he has genuinely repented, you know, and done his time in prison, which it sounds like his time in prison is for the whole lifespan. It ended with a rope in there. Yeah, well, my point is, let's say I was a prison chaplain and I was in prison and Fred West came into my church, you know, my chapel. I wouldn't turn around to him and said, you can't come in here. This place is not for you. I would say this is exactly the place where you should be because you're someone who needs healing of the wound of sin and the wound of sin that you've done is hell worthy sin.

30:12But the point is, this belief that I have in redemption is for everybody is, I mean it, it's for the Muhammad Hijabs of this world. It's for the Ali Dawas of this world. It's for the Fred Wests of this world. You know, it is for the Liam Tufts of this world. And thanks be to the grace of God. Don't you fucking write me in with him. No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait. Let me finish the sentence. And by the grace of God, it's for the Bob of the Speaker's Corners of this world. You know, there are different levels of sin. It's not that all sin is the same. I don't believe that, right? Fred West is diabolical.

30:49Hitler is satanic. Stalin, satanic, you know. But we've all sinned in our own way. Some of us much further have missed the mark than others, you know. I'm not saying that all sin is the same. I'm not saying that all sin needs to be dealt with in the same way. But sin is a reality in all of our lives. See, this is why I would never make a proper... This is why I could never be fully religious because I wouldn't want Fred West in a church. I'd want him in a gas chamber. Well, I'm not against the death penalty. I am not against the death penalty. As long as he visits the chaplain first. Well, I mean, I would give him the opportunity, yeah, but I would be open to the Fred Wests of this world being executed.

31:31You know, I'm not against capital punishment, but if the day before his execution, and I was a prison chaplain, Fred West came and said, I want to sit here and pray and I want to try and make my peace with God. I wouldn't turn around and say, you've got no chance because actually that's the shocking mercy of God. That is the shocking mercy of God, Liam, is that it's boundless and it can incorporate anyone who wants to receive it, no matter how large or small the sin that they have to repent for is. You know, when you went to Israel, those nincompoops baptised you in the River Jordan. And I don't think they should have, I think, because, you know, they didn't do a proper baptism out there.

32:20Yeah, I can tell you the story if you want to. Yeah, yeah, I'd be interested. Were they Christians? What was going on there? Or was it just like a tourist thing to come and have an experience? So we've gone to the River Jordan. And there's all these people in the river all being baptised in their white gown. Now, I'm out there soul searching. I'm there for a week. I'm doing the full tour. I was in a headspace where I didn't care if I lived or died. I got 800 metres from Gaza. I wanted to go into Gaza and stick microphones in people's faces and ask them questions. Like, zero fear, zero fucks. If I died, I died.

32:55Didn't care. And I mean that. So I thought, wherever I am, I'm just going to embrace wherever I am. If I was in Gaza, I would have embraced Gaza. So as I'm there, people are saying, oh, who's going to get baptised? And there's a queue of people in there. And I said, well, I don't believe in God, so I think it will be a bit of a liberty if I do get baptised. And I'm storying this. And they said, well, just go through. And if they say it's OK, then it's OK. So I went into the changing rooms and I've got the white gown on, had my shorts on, and I've storied it. And I've said, I've not even put this cloak on yet because I feel it may be disrespectful because I'm not religious.

33:33So being baptised seems like it could be a piss take. The next cut, okay, I've been giving the thumbs up. I can do it for the experience. Who knows? I may well feel the hand of God. Who knows? So I then get baptised in the River Jordan, and they said what they got to say, the two people, and they dunked me under. And then I come back up, and I do find most things funny. And although I've probably come across like I'm a manic depressive doom and gloom, I'm not. Yeah, you don't come across like that at all. I've just gone through a rocky road, but I'm just very honest about my feelings. So anyway, I've come out, thought it was quite funny.

34:09And the American guy said, hey, man, it's a new start for you, man. And I said, you got it. So I had a bit of a laugh with him. And then this is all documented in my stories. And then I've said, well, I've been baptised. I don't feel any different because a lot of people, you know, do you feel different? I don't feel in the least bit different. I'm not religious. I experienced it. That was that. Who knows? It could have been the moment that I found God and I didn't. And that was that. And that was done over like three or four stories. People on X took the one little bit of me getting baptised and then published that Liam Tufts has been baptised.

34:44Yeah, I saw that and I thought, oh, wow, he's become a Christian. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the point is – I just embraced it. But just – it was pure liturgical abuse. Those missionaries, I hope whoever is in charge of them takes them to task because the idea that you baptize people for an experience is ridiculous and it's sinful and they need to repent of what they've been doing. It's almost like they were doing it for the numbers just so they could send a missionary report back to their paykeep and go, yeah, we baptize 50 people today. And it's like, and if that's what they're doing, they're actually being really terrible missionaries.

35:28Because what should happen at a baptism is that you're meant to confess your faith. There are inquisital questions before a baptism. Do you believe in God the Father, the creator of heaven and earth? Do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, the savior of the world? Do you believe in the Holy Spirit who comes from the Father and the Son? Like, and if you say no to that, they shouldn't be baptizing you. Now, you made it very clear right at the beginning. You didn't believe in any of that. So they should never have allowed you to get in the water. Well, I had that conversation with somebody else that was part of the team.

35:58The two people that actually baptised me. They should never have let you get in the water. They didn't ask me a question. That would have been awkward, wouldn't it? I would have gone, no. They would have gone, well, fuck off it. Well, I mean, maybe in a more polite way. But yeah, that's exactly what should have happened. They should have gone, well, we can't do it then. Sorry. No, I just got in the middle of the two of them. They closed their eyes, said a prayer for me, dunked me under, and that was it, and then said, hey, man. But the point is, Liam, it's an invalid baptism, so it doesn't count.

36:24But you wouldn't be the first person that's been baptised in an invalid way. Can you see the funny side of this at all? Because we did have a good laugh about the life of Brian last time. Yeah, we did. And now it's the life of Liam. But no, for me, baptism is a serious thing. And so I'm really upset about the missionaries and about that whole team and about what they're doing out there. and, you know, people need to be correcting them because what they're doing is liturgical abuse. It's no different from a Church of England vicar baptising a refugee, you know, an illegal migrant, just because he said that he's a Christian when the vicar knows that he's faking it.

37:08Oh, yeah, and I didn't say I was a Christian either. Exactly. I've always been very honest. Exactly. But the point is this is the same as that, you know, And if it's wrong when a Church of England vicar does it so to help someone's asylum application, then it's still wrong when some cowboy missionary in the U.S., you know, in Israel just starts doing it without proper investigation and treatment of like whether people are coming forward for an experience or whether they're coming forward with genuine faith. So, I mean, I don't blame you, I blame them. And I'm going to take a leaf out of God's book and forgive them.

37:52I don't feel that you're particularly aggrieved in this situation. I see the funny side in everything. Even my own grief. I'll watch this back, I'll be sitting at home eating cheese and biscuits on me. I hope one day, like, were you baptised as a kid? I was christened. Right, because that's your baptism, Liam. I was christened as a child, yeah. All that needs to happen is that moment when God opens up your heart, then you confess your faith, as Tommy has, that Christ is Lord. And then that baptism that you had as a child is your baptism. It counts. It's just a confirmation of faith is all that you require.

38:27Yeah, my mum got me christened. I think that was just the thing to do back then. It was, but it still counts. We don't believe in multiple baptisms. We don't believe, you know, in the creed it says we believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, not we believe in several baptisms and a couple of dunkings and a few experiential moments in the River Jordan for the forgiveness of sins. It's just one baptism. So you've already been baptised. All that is required is when you're ready to commit yourself to Christ as king, then you make that public declaration of faith and that is your confirmation of faith.

39:02I want to come to the king down the line. But first of all, you mentioned the Church of England. I heard you refer to the Church of England as a prostitute. Yeah, she is. Elaborate on that. So the Church of England was set up by Henry VIII for the sole purpose of legitimising his rule whilst he did unchristian things. And that is exactly what the Church of England did. And from that day forward, the Church of England has always been the prostitute of the English state and the English elites. Now, when those English elites were themselves Christians, that wasn't terrible. Like, it wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible because the people that the Church of England was prostituting itself were themselves Christian.

39:51Now, fast forward from Henry VIII's day to our day, the Church of England is still getting on its back and being ploughed by the English establishment every night. But now it's doing it for non-Christian elites, which means that the Church of England is pushing non-Christian agendas into the public and dressing it up as Christianity. So when the Church of England pushes gay marriage, trans ideology, extreme forms of environmentalism, open door policies, despite the fact that it criticised the Tommy Robinson Christmas carol as co-opting Christian language and symbols to push right-wing politics, they've been pushing progressive liberal politics in their sermons for decades.

40:44And the Church of England is doing that because it is an unfaithful. It's unfaithful. It's a fruitless branch of the tree or a fruitless vine of the tree. And if it doesn't repent and if it doesn't recommit itself to an authentic Christianity, it will just be pruned off like the Quakers were pruned off. And it will lose its Christian identity, which it is doing at an increasingly rapid pace. And we're back. Streaming on Peacock. May I present to you the award-winning staff of the Toledo Truth Teller. Slap me. Let's jar something loose. Ay, yes! I like that. The certified fresh series returns. Your boss.

41:23You always like this? Or is this just an act? Oh, no. This is mad. Oysters, everybody! There's a certain satisfaction when you work with someone. Maybe we could be a family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th, only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to laugh. Do you hear that? That sound, right? That means that summer's officially here. It means that grown adults just sprint into the street for a frozen dessert shaped like a cartoon. But this summer, Mint Mobile has a better treat. Every plan, including unlimited, is$15 a month. And unlike ice cream, it won't drip down your wrist or look nothing like the picture.

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42:30Something like that, yeah, basically. It sacrifices faithfulness to Jesus for the reputation of being the established church. at every turn when the church of england had to make a choice between remaining a large institution across the country or shrinking as an institution and being faithful to jesus it always chose the institution itself over jesus and the way that it did that is by to keep in with the elites it had to keep pace with what the elites wanted to do so the church of england surrendered on the idea of Sunday Sabbath laws. The Church of England surrendered on divorce laws. The Church of England surrendered on abortion laws, contraception laws.

43:16Homosexual, it wants to surrender on homosexual marriage. It wants to surrender on trans ideology. It has surrendered on the idea of multiculturalism, a liberal form of multiculturalism. So it has abandoned, and none of these values can be traced back to a Christian doctrine. Because your values always come from your doctrines. Will most Christians be offended that we're referring to the Church of England as a whore? Or will most Christians agree? My language is strong. And Christmassy. And Christmassy, you know, like, my language is strong. But, like, well, I mean, Christmas was accompanied with a murder of innocence.

44:01And many of the bishops of the Church of England support the murder of innocence through abortion. You know, the future non-archbishop of England, Sarah, I can't pronounce her surname, Mulagay, it's a really complicated, I don't know how to pronounce her surname. But Sarah, who's going to be, who's going to cosplay as the archbishop, is someone who says that she's broadly in favour of abortion. That's the murder of innocence. we actually commemorate the murder of innocence at Christmas. You know, we have songs commemorating the murder of innocence at Christmas because at Christmas the Holy Family had to flee into Egypt to run away from state persecution.

44:49And that resulted in a massacre at Bethlehem where the children of Bethlehem were killed as Herod was trying to kill the Christ. With abortion. Yeah. Before we go back to the king. and also Tommy Robinson's Christmas event. What's a Christian view on, say, two heroin addicts accidentally conceive a baby and it's got no future, no life, and in fact it'll actually be born a heroin addict? Is there some leeway where you think actually abortion is the best idea here? Life from conception, no exception. So it means there's no justification for abortion. What about if someone's raped and they fall pregnant accidentally?

45:32Yeah, there's no justification for abortion. That's fucking heavy. There's no justification for abortion. There is no grounds upon which you can justify the murder of a child. None. The child is not responsible for the herring addiction that it's about to have from the parents. The child is not responsible for the fact that the father is a rapist. The child is never to blame. So why should the child suffer the consequences of the adult's actions? What should happen in the case of the heroin addict is that the mother be put into 24-hour guard and forced off heroin for the protection of the child.

46:14What should happen is that the rapist goes to prison and the mother receives counselling and support and the opportunity to give up the child for adoption and fostering at birth. That's what should happen. The child is never to blame. So why would we punish the child for the actions of adults? It would be interesting to read the comments section on this bit. I'm sure that there'll be... Always wins me friends. Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say. The Fred West comment, we'll lose me friends. You're in deep shit for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's still the Christian truth, and we've got to say Christian truth regardless of whether it's popular or unpopular.

46:56But what kind of society do we want to live in? Do we want to live in a society that says we're going to sacrifice children for us, for what we want? You know, like particularly amongst a lot of your subscribers and your viewers within the patriotic movement, you know, it is abortion that's killing the English. The English are not being replaced. They are committing suicide. Yeah, the government should incentivise families to have more children. Absolutely. The more children, the less taxed. Yes. We need more babies, more children. Yeah. You know, we have to keep up with our competition. Not just for that.

47:37It's a beautiful, lovely thing and it makes a house a home. Yeah, it's not about, I mean, I wouldn't say get married for the sake of the competition. What I would say is get married because that is the right way to, that is the best way to bring up children. And it is also the very building block of society. I often get enraged when I hear social commenters talking about this problem in society and that problem in society and this problem in society. And no one ever mentions the breakdown of the family. The family, I'll give one example from my own life, my own family. We have an auntie, my auntie, who was born perfectly healthy.

48:17And then when she had her whooping cough injection, it was a faulty batch. And she was badly brain damaged because of, they don't say brain damaged now. There's some other politically correct term, but who cares? you know she was brain damaged because of the injection now my family rather than you know everyone in my family built their lives around my auntie right she became the centre of everybody's world and you're just born into it it's like the family religion my auntie is the centre and we all organise ourselves to support and to look after her if you factor how much money we saved the state through caring for my auntie 24 hours a day, seven days a week because she couldn't, she can't live independently.

49:11She has to be cared for 24 hours a day. And we've saved the state millions of pounds, millions. And that's just one family. The reason, one of the reasons why everything in our society is getting worse is because of the breakdown of the family. Bed blockers. You know, old age pensioners in hospital beds that can't go home because they've got no one to care for them. Why have they got no one to care for them? Breakdown of the family. Gangs of youths in East London running around like rabid animals, stabbing one another and pushing, you know, where's their fathers? Where's their mothers? It's the breakdown of the family.

49:55The increase in mental health problems. And I have a friend who's a clinical psychologist and we talked about this and she agrees with me that one of the reasons why you've got an increase in mental health problems is because of the breakdown of the family. Totally agree. And so, you know, and the holy family of the Christmas story shows us that, you know, families can include adopted children, but it also shows us that it's about the mother and the father and the children being a unit. It is the bedrock of how you build a successful and happy society. And our country, because of liberalism and because of classical liberalism, has emphasized individualism over the family for economic reasons.

50:42Because if you can break up the family, you create more consumers. And this is where the Church of England presents itself as a prostitute because the Church of England has gone along with that. You know, the Church of England doesn't defend the family. can't even be bothered to defend children unborn. You know, it doesn't want to even defend the sacrament of marriage as between man and woman. It doesn't, you know, so the Church of England, this is why I say the Church of England is a prostitute, you know, because her first lord is whoever's in charge of the British state. And then Jesus is a second lord who they serve so long as the state doesn't say, don't do this.

51:22What about King Charles then? If the Church of England is a prostitute, is King Charles its pimp? No, no. King Charles is just a badly informed Christian. And again, I think that it's back, and maybe family interest has taken precedence within the royal family over faithfulness to Christ. Because countless kings have professed the Christian faith and have gone along with the slide in our society when they could have done more to resist it, even if it might have caused a constitutional crisis. And so it gets to a point where they become culpable themselves by not speaking out more, you know. And so King Charles is someone, and I'm interpreting him charitably, that I think has been badly raised in the Christian faith.

52:23He's been badly discipled. Discipleship means you learn what it is to be a Christian and then you learn how to live it out. And there's been things missing in King Charles' discipleship. You know, Tobin Robinson has just become a Christian. He's going to have to go through a process of discipleship. I'm still going through a process of discipleship. I've still got shit in my own life to work out, you know, and things to change about me. And so it's a never-ending thing. And the thing that drives you forward is that metanoia, that changing of the mind, that repentance. And King Charles has just been badly discipled because he's been raised by a church that is itself fundamentally compromised.

53:07Yeah, how the kings have changed. When you think years ago, you'd get the king on the back of a horse, front line, fighting with his people. Could you imagine King Charles doing that? No, of course not. Of course not. But to be fair, that practice, I think, stopped in the 1700s. It was the last king to die at the front line. I think I might be wrong on this. It was maybe 1600s, 1500s. So it's been a long time since. I still like to think of my king as a man with a big hairy chest. Well, that's the point because men want men to follow. Yeah. You know, men want men to follow. And that's part of the problem that's going wrong in our society is that we've each gone our own way because we've stopped following the true man.

53:54We've stopped following that northern star. See, I think community is king. I think community is king. And you was recently at the Christmas event that Tommy Robinson put on under the Unite the Kingdom umbrella, which I'm fully in support of. And I'm glad that you've been there because I've never been part of any movement, any group, but there's no denying that that Unite the Kingdom movement is beautiful. Now, you tell me, you've got people behind the stage with stand up to racism placards. You was on the stage, you looked out into the crowd of a few thousand people that were there. Did it look like a white supremacist gathering?

54:32No, of course it wasn't. I mean, it gets to the point where, you know, it almost becomes performative to have this conversation because it's so blatantly obvious. And it's ridiculous I've even got to say this. I know. And just the sheer hypocrisy of these people. And if you'll allow me a rant, a Christmas rant, so everybody took into your drink, could take a good swig of the port or the beer or whatever you're drinking. I'm actually going to have a swig of port right now. Right. It is just the sheer level of conceited hypocrisy. So let's start off with the prostitute. She says that, you know, Tommy Robinson is co-opting Christian language and Christian imagery for right-wing politics, that just because he became a Christian doesn't mean that he has the right to use Christianity to advance his political perspective on refugees.

55:22That's what's come from the diocese elites, right? What hypocrites? They, outside of St. Paul's Cathedral, they had their own Christmas carol service in which they presented the Holy Family as fleeing as refugees on a dinghy. How is that not using Christian image and Christian language to push an open doors, i.e. a left-wing political perspective? They have pushed transgenderism, gay marriage. They've pushed multiculturalism. These are all left-wing agenda points, and the Church of England has never felt an ounce of embarrassment by using Christian language and Christian imagery to present their left-wing political narrative.

56:08Just the sheer hubristic hypocrisy of it all. And, you know, what it strikes to me is that these people are conceited and they live in ivory towers. Attached. And I'll put this offer to you, Liam. If you can get any of those bishops or clergy to come into this room and debate me on these kinds of questions, and I'll demonstrate to them just how little they've thought out what they are saying, because the question of levels of immigration, of who you let into your country, under what conditions, under what circumstances, these are prudential questions. It means that it is down to us to work it out.

56:50there's nothing in scripture that supports the idea of open borders in fact the scriptures very clearly do not support the idea of open borders like that is you can't justify an open border worldview from scripture and imagine presenting our lord in such a way that you're now you're now almost trying to wrap up human trafficking in the imagery of the holy family and you're trying to say that the Holy Family paid a human trafficker to help them smuggle themselves illegally into another country. The Holy Family went from Judea into Egypt. Both of those places were within the Roman Empire. This is not a refugee.

57:35This is an internally displaced person fleeing from state persecution. So let's talk about state persecution. You've got Christians who are being arrested for thinking outside of abortion clinics. You've got Christians who are being arrested for protesting against abortion. You've had Christians being arrested for preaching the gospel. You've had Christians lose their government jobs because they didn't agree with LGBTQ politics. You've got Christians losing their jobs because they didn't agree with multiculturalism. you've got Christians being fined, threatened with imprisonment for expressing normal Christian doctrines and you have the state telling them what parts of the Bible they can and they can't quote.

58:25You've got Christians who have had to flee Reading and Bradford because they were Muslim who became Christian and the intolerance of certain members of the Muslim community meant that it was no longer safe for them to stay in their city. And in all of these examples, the Church of England has never found anything to say. Never. The reason why they're jumping on this is because they've seen an opportunity due to Tommy Robinson's celebrity to try and make themselves relevant. Otherwise, no one would listen to them. And they're jumping on this because in their desire for reflected glory, for vain glory, they're trying to present themselves as standing up against something evil.

59:17when they've allowed countless examples of evil to go unchallenged. It's just pure... And we're back. Streaming on Peacock. May I present to you the award-winning staff of the Toledo Truth Teller. Slap me. Let's jar something loose. Ay, yes! I like that. The Certified Fresh Series returns. Your boss. You always like this? Or is this just an act? Oh, no, this is mad. Oysters, everybody! Has it happened? There is a certain satisfaction when you work with someone. Maybe we could be a family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th, only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to laugh.

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1:00:35Well, there you go. There's a huge community right there. Also, you stood on the stage, you looked into the crowd. is it safe to say that the races are mixed, but the culture is the same? Yes, and that's the point. That is the point. And multiculturalism does not work. Liberal multiculturalism does not work. British culture works as long as it's the top of the spear. And all the other cultures come in and they respectfully remember that they're not top dog. They're second, third, fourth in the pecking order. Do you agree with that? Well, I believe in a Christian state. So I'm a Christian nationalist, which is, you know, a term that probably needs some clarification.

1:01:17And I'll clarify that if you want to. But ultimately... I want to talk about Christian nationalism. Yeah. Sivnats and ethnats. Yes. How you define them all and your views on them all. And you can just go on another rant now if needs be. Right. Another sip of port, sir? Yes. Another sip of port. So let's get into it. So firstly, the spectrum of right-wing politics is not monolithic. You would think that it is if you speak to a Corbynite, Jeremy Easter communist, you know. But it isn't, you know. There are theocrats on the right. There are technocrats. What's theocracy? Someone that wants religion to rule the country?

1:01:56It's the idea that you organize your state according to a religious principle. Okay. So that's me. Yeah, I'm a theocrat. You know, then you've got technocrats, people, you know, like Elon Musk. He thinks technology is going to answer every problem. Then you've got libertarians, you know, which is where we start getting towards Margaret Thatcher kind of thinking a free market. The market will answer everything, you know. I mean, slight distinction. You've got free marketeers, which is a form of libertarianism. And then you've got actual libertarians, which is like we want a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny state, virtually no state.

1:02:33Just let people almost just govern themselves kind of thing. And then you've got ethno-nationalists, you know, the idea that you organize society according to an ethnicity. Then you've got civic nationalists, which is, you know, where I'd put Tommy Robinson. I mean, he might disagree with me and he's entitled to, but that's where I see him. He's a civic nationalist, which is this idea that you've got this institution called the United Kingdom. It's got its own history. We should be proud of it. We should support it and we should do our best to build a great civic society that continues the history of that civic society from when it was founded.

1:03:14So that's the first thing. The right is not one monolithic block. And then there's different forms of understanding what nationalism is. So you've got ethno-nationalists, which is this idea that the nation is an ethnicity. So there is this nation called the English, and it's the English people who have a common history, live in a common land, speak a common language, have generally similar characteristics and features. And then when you chuck in a bit more extra science in there, they'll even start talking about genomes and things like that as if Alfred the Great knew anything about genetics. then you've got civic nationalists which i've just explained and then you've got christian nationalists now christian nationalism is a new term it's emerged as all things in british culture do as a term in america first and then we just adopt it later as we do as we do and christian nationalism is the is the idea that christ founds a nation the church the covenant people of god and that they are a nation.

1:04:25The church is a nation, so it's a spiritual nation. Or rather, it's a real nation that is united by a common spirituality. And that's the kind of Christian nationalism that I advocate. And connected to our passage here, it's relevant because one of the titles that is given to Jesus is Eternal Father. Now, if you listen carefully, I've said multiple times that Jesus is the son of the Eternal Father. So why is Jesus being called the eternal father? It's because he's being called the eternal father in the sense that both in the Old Testament and still today, you have this concept of the founding father.

1:05:03Bolivar was the founding father of many Latin American states. George Washington was one of the founding fathers of the United States. King Alfred was the founding father of the English kingdom. Christ is the father of an eternal kingdom. He establishes an eternal kingdom. He establishes an eternal nation. And that is the Christian people, the Christian community. And so I think the church needs to advocate. And these kinds of nationalisms, and I'm coming into land, these kind of nationalisms, Christian nationalism can have no truck at all with ethno-nationalism because it contradicts the Catholicity of the state.

1:05:51But Christian nationalists and civic nationalists can actually synergize. And the reason for that is if the civic nationalists are willing to agree with Christians that the character and confession of the nation state is Christian, then we can work together. and that's what Tommy Robinson is advocating those kind of politics. Jordan Peterson is advocating those kind of politics. It's this idea that the state of Canada, the state of the UK is a Christian country and therefore should be Christian in its institutions and that's something that a Christian nationalist can completely agree with and so Christian nationalists and civic nationalists can work together and forge an alliance to the common purpose of creating a Christian Britain.

1:06:44So, for example, in an ideal world, you wouldn't allow a Muslim to become a British MP? Actually, I mean, we're world creating now. So we're imagining the success of this project. We've created a Christian country. And if that project was successful, there would be debates like that very question to be had. and my answer, I'd probably then find myself on the liberal side of that spectrum, funnily enough, even though lots of people say like some crazy extremist. Actually, if there was a Christian state in place, I'd probably be on the left side of that discussion point because I would say that so long as the Muslim MP is committed and makes a personal commitment and then demonstrates that in all their actions and words in public office to maintaining the Christian character of the country.

1:07:45Because there's a lot that a Muslim could get behind within a Christian worldview. Then they could be an MP. But if they were doing something to undermine the Christian character of the country, they would be barred from being an MP. Would you let them be sworn into Parliament on the Koran? Well I would actually I actually don't think that people should have to Place their hand on anything Jesus said swear not by anything in earth Or in heaven Do not even swear by your own head Because you cannot turn one hair on your head grey Don't swear by heaven For that is Where the throne of God is And don't swear by anything on earth Because it's his footstool So I don't believe that we should swear On anything So would you remove religious scripture from politics completely.

1:08:37No, no, no, no, no, no. We're talking about what you do with an oath. When you put your hand on a Bible, what you're saying is, you're saying that you're recognising the sacredness of this thing. And what you're saying is that by the sacredness of this thing, because it is more important than me, I'm placing my word upon it. And so because I don't want to desecrate it, I swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'm just saying, as Jesus said, is just be an honest man. And if you're an honest man, you don't need to swear. And so if we find that someone's acting duplicitously, i.e.

1:09:18they've said that they will uphold the Christian character of the nation, but then they start trying to argue to reintroduce cousin marriages, because that would be outlawed in a Christian country. So to give a working example, a Muslim MP in a Christian state, would oppose cousin marriages. And if they didn't oppose cousin marriages, then they would be barred from being an MP. Right. As a working example of what it means to be a Muslim MP in a Christian country. So they really need to change most of their belief system to qualify as an MP. They would have to be willing at least to privatise their religion in public office.

1:10:05So they could hold in their mind and in their heart that cousin marriages are okay, but they would recognize that they're in a Christian country and in the Christian country, they don't get to dictate what the law is. And so in a Christian country, they are going to uphold Christian values. And if they are doing that in public office, because there is a lot in Christianity that a Muslim can support, so long as they do that, they could operate within public office. What about, let's use England as an example, again, in an ideal world. In a world-creating scenario. Yeah. Is there a percentage, like a cap percentage of Indigenous Brits that should be stuck to?

1:10:48Right. So, firstly, the idea of Indigenous Brits. Because FNATs want 100%, don't they? Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm sure they'd say English rather than Britain, no? Yes. Because Britain is a legal construct. True enough. It's not an ethnic construct. and the whole I've been having this to do with ethno-nationalists on my Twitter account at the moment you know because I find myself now evangelizing ethno-nationalists along with Muslims and they're equally bad debaters but their whole narrative is based on a fictitious reading of English history when Alfred the Great founded the kingdom you know when Alfred the Great launched his crusade against the great heathen army and Dane law you know those foreign invaders that were bringing a foreign god and a foreign legal system to these islands.

1:11:35Alfred the Great fought to defend. He didn't fight to defend being English because that thing didn't exist. He fought to defend Christianity. Alfred the Great and his army understood themselves as having a religious war. And amongst the English already there were different Saxon groups but there were also Jutes and Angles. There were the descendants of Celts who had intermarried with the Saxons. So it was already a mixed multitude, as it says in Exodus, you know. And when he eventually was victorious and his son and his grandson went on to complete the crusade that conquered all of England, and his grandson was declared Rex Anglorum, there were lots of Scandinavian migrants, you know, invaders, who had colonized entire sections of the north of England, the northwest of England particularly.

1:12:43And he united them in a singular kingdom. And the thing that united these different groups, the migrants with the now indigenous, and I say now indigenous because the Saxons themselves had invaded in the fourth century and were themselves migrant invaders, the thing that brought about their unity was Christianity. It amalgamated these different ethnicities into a singular culture. And that's the solution to our problems in the UK is not multiculturalism, but a Christian monoculture, you know, that can unite different groups into a singular nation. And I say that deliberately into a singular nation because I'm a Christian nationalist.

1:13:36I believe in a nation born of the blood of Christ, the waters of baptism and the fire of the spirit. These are all spiritual terms. I don't believe in a blood and soil kind of nation. And in a spiritual nation, people can be united by their common doctrines, which lead to common values, which lead to common outlooks on life, and then later can develop into common customs and common culture. And that's the vision of Britain that we need, so that we might participate in the nation of heaven, under the eternal Father Jesus Christ, the Father of the nation. So principles, attitudes, beliefs, that's your main focal point on bringing people together and how the country should be moving forward.

1:14:25Yeah, and the thing is, within that, you know, the ethno-nationalist, I might have lost a little bit of your original question here, and I'm sorry if I've gone off track a bit, but the idea that you've got this pure-blood nation, you know, is ridiculous. There's never been a pure blood nation. Like the people back at the time when the Saxons came over didn't think about genetics. You know, there's always been a mixing of tribes. Like that's normal. There's nothing wrong with that. So to answer your question, do I believe that there's an upper number, right? Well, let's change Brits to English because then we can have a more sensible conversation because anyone given a passport can be British, right?

1:15:09Whether they should be given a passport is a different question. But anyone who gets a passport can be British. Yes, stick with England. I should have said England. Yeah. So if we're talking about England English, then I would say that the ethno-nats have already stopped being English because they've already denied their Christian heritage. And that if we are true to that Christian heritage, then other tribes, other nations can be grafted into the English because the Bible teaches that. When Israelites left Egypt, they left with a mixed multitude. In other words, there were Egyptians and Nubians who came with them and they became a single nation, Israel.

1:15:52This is really important because ethnonats often talk about the ethnonation state of Israel. But they forget that Israel was born of a mixed multitude. Moses married an Egyptian. Jesus in his own ancestry has non-Jews listed in his own ancestry. So he was not some pure-blood Jew. And in Romans, it teaches that the Gentiles can be grafted onto Israel. So the Bible teaches the idea that you can bring different tribes together and form them into a singular nation, which is what Alfred the Great did. And we need a similar project. We need an Alfred the Great kind of project in England that we drop all this liberal nonsense about multiculturalism as a failed experiment.

1:16:40And we say, you can stay here, but you have to integrate. And what do you integrate? But to make that insistence, you then have to give people a clear vision of what you're integrating into. And that has to be Christianity. You know, and then we would lean on English Christianity heavily because that's the history of this country and that's the history of the expression of Christianity in this country. And we would lean heavily on English Christianity to express what this Christianity looks like for everybody to integrate into.

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1:18:09Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. And as a non-Christian cultural Christian, I wholeheartedly agree. I want to move on to the Christian genocide in Nigeria. You've been speaking about this long before anybody knew it existed. I think the last time we met, you were talking about it in graphic detail. I'd like to know the update on that Christian genocide in Nigeria. And also, I always think to myself, if it can happen in that country, it can happen in this country. So what's the update on the genocide in Nigeria? And how can we prevent that ever happening in the UK?

1:18:50I mean, and this is the thing, you see it in microcosm in the sense that we in the UK and in Australia and in other places, we have seen people support terrorism abroad. You know, they supported the Hamas invasion of Israel and the massacre of 7th of October. And we had we've had people celebrating that in the UK. only an absolute buffoon would not realize instantly that if they can support terrorism abroad, they can support terrorism here. And that's exactly what happened with Palestine Action. You know, they break, they sledgehammer some poor police officer. And it's kind of like, well, these are people that supported terrorism abroad.

1:19:35They support terrorism here. We have people here that are obfuscating, denying, and even supporting the genocide in Nigeria. So it doesn't take much logic to realize that those kinds of people would all support similar actions here as well. And we can't pretend it's some tiny minority because look at how many people have mustered to support Hamas. You know, it's a significant number. It is a minority, but it's a significant minority. And the reality is that since, and I welcome Trump's comments. I welcome the fact that he's brought media attention to it and that he said he's going to act. And I just want to say, please, someone clip this next statement and get it to Trump.

1:20:27He must act soon. What is the delay? We know it's going on. Tens of thousands of Christians have been butchered. and since his comment, the attacks have intensified. Oh, really? Yeah, they've intensified. What's that, like a statement of defiance? It's more like by him saying we're going to do something about it. Well, it's a fucking act of defiance, isn't it? It is, and the attacks in Nigeria are intensifying. More Christians have been killed in Nigeria than have died in Palestine. From the 7th of October, when Hamas attacked Israel, More Christians have died in Nigeria from that date to this than Palestinians have died in Gaza.

1:21:10On what scale is this genocide? How many numbers? Entire villages. And who's committing the genocide? It's been carried out by jihadis, radical jihadis, who have wiped out entire villages, entire complexes, and entire Christian populations have just been butchered. And Islamization and the Islamist ideology have penetrated so much of the Nigerian state that there are state actors. Not every member of the Nigerian establishment is a state actor, but there are state actors who are Islamists, who are helping the jihadists on the ground, who are acting against Nigerian law. But they're being helped by members operating within the state to carry out the genocide.

1:21:58and the world needs to act and it needs to act fast, you know, and it needs to be stopped. And how do we stop it here? We stop it. I mean, how do we stop? Because Islamism isn't as developed here as it is in Nigeria because it's all about proportions of people. Yet. Well, this is my point. It's all about proportions of people. There's a percentage of Muslims who are radical Islamists. as the overall number of Muslims increase as a general population, even though roughly the percentage of Muslims who are radical Islamists stays the same, it grows as an actual number, right? And so the British state have been following a policy of trying to poison the water to get rid of the fish.

1:22:51It's kind of like they've tried to turn the general Muslim population against Islamist ideology so that it's rejected. But the point is that strategy clearly is not working. What happened at Bondi Beach is demonstrating that the strategy is not working. There was a bishop who was attacked in Australia, Bishop Mary. He was attacked in Australia by an Islamist. If the Australian state had taken that attack more seriously and gone, hey, we've got something we need to deal with here. Look at this Christophobic attack on this bishop, rather than just writing it off. Bondi Beach, which is by far a much more terrible attack, could have been stopped.

1:23:35But the problem with the liberal elites is that because of their belief that you've got an individual contract with the state and I've got an individual contract with the state, whenever someone breaks that contract because they're an Islamist, the liberal elites go, well, that's just a bad individual. They don't see the pattern. They don't see the route. They must do by now. Well, they're living in denial. They're living in denial. And also I think there are members of the establishment that don't believe there is a problem. There's members of the establishment that recognise that there is a problem but then deny it to themselves, though they feel it.

1:24:12And then there's a part of the establishment that sees that there's a problem, but their liberalism gives them no answers. Like they cannot think of a solution. Did you see the president's statement he made after the Bondi Beach attack? He started talking about the rise of far right being a threat. Yeah, well, isn't that always the liberal go-to thing? Yeah. And the reason is, is the state fears the reaction from these events. because that event is now over. The Bondi Beach attack is over. The next thing that's going to happen is the reaction to it, and that's why it's always Islamist terrorist attack.

1:24:50Now let's talk about the far right and the dangers of the far right. Because obviously when there is a terrorist attack, the ethno-nationalists jump on trying to stir up racial bullshit. Do you know what? As far as the ethnics go as well, they seem to be a tremendous force online but I don't see a great deal of them gathering together on the streets they're not a strong force they're tiny they're numbered in hundreds they just look and sound bigger than they are because they sort of group into you know into the same social make a lot of noise they make a lot of noise you know but they're not they're not numerous but coming back to the question of what we can do about it.

1:25:37Yeah, we need to prevent this happening in the UK because I can see bad things happening. Well, here's some solutions that I will just check out there. One, the liberal establishment needs to get serious about combating entryism, and that is of Islamist penetration into state institutions. They need to recognise that it's happening, they need to recognise that it can happen, and they need to come up with strategies to prevent it. Now, you can't do that from a liberal secular worldview because in a liberal secular worldview, everybody's got to have their own culture. But if you have a confessional state that says we have a Christian culture here and we stand for Christian values here, then you'll easily start to pick up when someone's not lining up with that Christian confession and you can stop them from entering the state.

1:26:28And even if one of them does enter the state, they'll be completely bound up. They won't be able to do anything because the moment they step out of line, boom, they're out. Because what is Islamic migration currently doing to Christianity, legal and illegal? What could it potentially do? Because it's completely out of control. Yeah, the British state has lost control of the southern border and the EU has lost control of its own borders. That's absolutely sure. What increased Islamic migration is doing for the church is increasing the threat that Christians feel in the UK. and it's not necessarily that they feel it because their leaders in the Church of England are telling them that there is no threat but there's increasing attacks on churches.

1:27:12There is discrimination against Christians in our society coming from members of the Muslim community and the more Muslims you bring in, they bring with them their prejudice against Christians. If you go to any Muslim country in the world, any Muslim country in the world, Christians are being persecuted. Christians are being discriminated against. It's just a normal part of the course of life for a Christian in a Muslim part of the world to suffer discrimination, to suffer persecution. So if you then import unknown numbers of unknown men from that society, they're not just going to check out their anti-Christian prejudices at the border, they're going to bring them with them, just like we've seen a sharp spike in anti-Semitism in this country, because anti-Semitism is rife across the Muslim world.

1:28:10And so what it's doing is it's increasing the risk to the Christian population. It does give us the opportunity to evangelize, obviously, but I would say that the risks outweigh the benefits. And we need to have filters on who we allow into this country. And one of those filters, we should have economic filters that say, okay, what skills are you bringing? What are you offering? Are you in a position to integrate? Can you speak the language? But then we also need to have a cultural filter, which says, are you bringing with you anti-Christian attitudes? Are you bringing with you anti-Jewish attitudes?

1:28:54Are you bringing with you homophobia? Like, you know, are you bringing with you racism? Anyone who falls foul, because I'd bar, you know, members of the Ku Klux Klan from emigrating to the UK, from America. And why members of the Ku Klux Klan? I'd bar them. But I would also bar someone who thinks that he wants to have Sharia law in the UK from coming to the UK. So, you know, and that's on the question of all legal migration. When it comes to refugees, you know, again, it would have to be a question of how many people can we absorb in a sustainable way? That needs to be one of the factors. Because if we've got a policy of integration, then you can only integrate a certain number of people at a time.

1:29:45And you need to manage those levels to allow for integration. And that's what we've lost all control of in this country. And we're seeing the effects now of entryism into public institutions of people that do not share the values and the cultural outlook that we have had here historically. And so we've ended up with a ridiculous situation of Jews being banned from a British city, you know, in the UK on faulty grounds about them being thugs, you know, on fake reports. Aston Villa. Yeah. So the fact is the liberals don't have an answer to this because their ideology cannot see patterns. All it does is see individuals.

1:30:33And so it refuses, and it also refuses to accept that some religions teach one thing and other religions teach another. In the liberal mindset, all religions are the same. And that's just sloppy, idle thinking. All religions are not the same. So what's your take on the theory that the elite Jews are controlling this mass migration? Yeah, I mean, it's such... There's a lot of people beating that drum. I can't work out. It's the ethanol nuts, and they'll be all over the comments of this video, I'm quite sure, you know, pushing that ridiculous nonsense. Because I asked these questions in Israel, and I also asked them, is there a possibility that the Israeli government orchestrated that attack so you could return fire with gusto?

1:31:22I asked all these questions. Well, I mean, I know that there are Jews who think that the solution to the Gaza problem is that they all just leave Gaza. There definitely are Jews who think like that. But that doesn't represent, you know, it's not like you can take the view of some Jews and then ascribe it to all Jews. And this is the problem that ethno-nationalists make, is that they go, well, he's Jewish. And so therefore, what he stands for, all Jews stand for. and that kind of logic is rubbish because the Jews that are part of the Western elite system are hardly disciples of Moses. They're more the disciples of Marx and they're not just, it's not just, you know, if there are any Jews involved in the Western progressive elites, it's not just that they're just Jews.

1:32:17There's more non-Jews that are advocating for anything, for any example of a Jew that's arguing for open borders. You can find a hundred non-Jewish white middle class women arguing for open borders. The idea that you can say that Jews are responsible for something that we're doing to ourselves is ridiculous. Yes, there are some Jews amongst the progressive elites, but there are also some Jews who support Tommy Robinson. There are also some Jews who are going to be voting reform come the next election. The whole Jew theory has become a bit of a ridiculous phenomenon. You can't say anything against Hamas without loving the Jews.

1:33:04You can't go to Israel to investigate without loving the Jews. I mean, for the record, those Hasidic Jews, I couldn't fucking stand them. I couldn't believe how rude they were. There you go. I love the Jews, do I? I couldn't fucking stand them once. Just would look right through you. Like, if I go somewhere, I'm acutely aware that I'm the guest. Wherever I go. So I sort of, I change the expression on my phone. And I sort of come across as thankful when I appear, I make it clear that I'm a guest here and this is your turf, not mine. But those ones with a funny sideburns would just look right through me as if I wasn't even there.

1:33:39And some would look right through me like I was a piece of shit. So I didn't particularly like those ones for the record. They weren't particularly hospitable. I don't think they like their other Jews either, do they? I mean, I'm not an expert of all the cultures of, you know, all the various cultures within Judaism. It's not an area that I've studied since university, to be fair. But what I would say is that, you know, the ethno-nats who push these binary ideas. Well, you know, because you're against Hamas, therefore you're a shill for Israel. You're an Israeli shill and you're getting paid$7 ,000 to post that.

1:34:22Yeah, exactly. You know, it's such simplistic binary thinking. Why can't there be other options? How about this option? You know, Israel, if it's a problem at all for Christians in the Middle East, it's a regional problem. Hamas is a movement that's going to be a problem if it succeeds for Christians everywhere around the world. So Hamas is a bigger problem, a more pertinent threat to deal with. How about this? Israel, if it is a problem for Christians in the Middle East, it is only a problem for Christians in the Middle East because they think that it is to the benefit and security of the state of Israel to be said problem.

1:35:04So we change the dials so that Israel in its calculus goes, actually, it's in the best interests of Israel's security for us to be an ally of all Christians in the Middle East. The thing is you can negotiate with Israel. You can't negotiate with Hamas because Hamas is religiously committed to the idea of the domination of Sharia law across the world. Israel as a nation state just cares about guaranteeing its own security and its borders which means that you can lean on Israel and go actually for you to continue to receive American support you need to be an ally of all Christians in the Middle East and like that Israel would become an ally of all Christians in the Middle East This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work?

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1:37:14It doesn't depend on the Christmas gifts under the Christmas tree. It doesn't depend on who you get to share it with. It is the celebration in our own heart and in our own soul that 2 ,000 years ago, Christ, the Savior, was born. And that is something that we can do no matter what our circumstances are. There may be other things that detract, that take a bit of the glow out of that joy. But a Christ-centered Christmas is one that upholds Christ and lifts up Christ, that takes our gaze off our world and looks up to Jesus and celebrates the fact that he was born on earth. You know, Gaudete, Gaudete, Christus ex Maria Vergine.

1:38:07Christus natus ex Maria Vergine. You know, celebrate, celebrate Christ is born of Mary. You know, and that is something that we can celebrate in and it's something that we uphold and it's something that we lift up and it's something that we declare. You know, so it's above our everyday circumstance. Whereas a secular Christmas is all about the turkey and the presents and the people and the fluff of Christmas. You know, these things can add to the joy of a Christ-centered Christmas, no doubt. But if the presents are, you know, if you don't, if the presents are a problem or the meal is a problem or even your guests are a problem, your Christmas could be ruined.

1:38:57You know, but a Christian's Christmas could never be ruined because our joy is not found in these fluff. It's found in just remembering what happened in Bethlehem and just reenacting the story, retelling the story, taking joy in the story, taking hope in the story of what happened 2 ,000 years ago. Whereas the fluffy secular Christmas is a commercial Christmas and that's why Tommy Robinson's carol service was needed because we are living in a society that's disinherited from its Christianity. carol singers not singing christian carol songs uh christmas trees having no representation of christianity talk about co-opting someone else's imagery you know like taking christ out of christmas replacing it with an x taking christ out of christmas calling it gift giving season what the fuck gift giving sorry for my language but gift giving season what the hell it was necessary.

1:39:59Yeah, or holiday trees. What? Happy holidays. What? Holiday trees? Which religion is it that uses the tree? Christians. You know, Jews don't do it. Muslims don't do it. Buddhists don't do it. It's not a Diwali tree. You know, like, so it's, why do we, so that's why it was important to have a public Christmas carol service that declared Christ as the centre. Yeah, I totally agree. And before I ask you the final question, which will be a very serious question, but what is your favourite Christmas song outside of a carol? Feliz Navidad, Step Into Christmas? Ring out Solstice Bells. You know, the guy with the flute.

1:40:44I knew it'd have to be some obscure one that you picked. But I love it for the melody. Well, I'm going to put it on Spotify afterwards as well. And do you know, I'm a sucker for a Christmas song. Yeah. And I'm probably on about I'm probably on bottle two port now whilst watching this back. If it's not that, the other one is I'm a sucker for Cliff Richard. I love Cliff Richard. So Cliff Richard, you know, and he sang a song called Saviour's Day. Yeah, Saviour's Day is a beautiful song. It really is. I love Cliff Richard. I mean, from Devil Woman all the way to Saviour's Day, all the bits in between, yeah, wired for sound.

1:41:19But we could go off on a tangent now. I know that by now I could quite possibly be drunk and I think I'm going to go to Cliff Richard and I'm going to play your one as a mark of respect. But the final message to anyone out there that's suffering today on Christmas, they feel alone, they feel lost, they feel rejected, they feel like they've made mistakes, they're in a position where they don't want to be, what message of hope would you give them? Some people won't even have a Christmas tree up. I won't this year. I'll be sitting in my front room without a tree. This is not, I feel sorry for Liam Tufts Day, by the way.

1:41:52I just want my audience to know that life isn't perfect all the time. And sometimes we all fall short of hitting our target and our goals of what we actually really want in life. But for me, I think things can get better if you apply yourself and learn from your mistakes. Yeah. So the Christmas tree, funnily, I am getting answered the question, I promise. The Christmas tree is a representation of Christ. It is the idea, it's meant to be the representation of the tree of life that is in the Genesis story, which is itself a representation of Christ, which is why Christians use Christmas trees. And remember earlier in our conversation, I said that, like, you know, if all that you have to offer Christ is your pain, then offer it to him because he can use that.

1:42:43And I would say to people that, you know, are maybe mourning or lonely or sad this Christmas is I would say if you have the chance to go to church, go to church, go to church, be around people, say hello to people, you know, don't be alone. Reach out to whom you can, if you can. But if you are stuck in sadness I'll use you as an example if I may But if you are struggling with something Then lay that at the feet of Jesus Lay that at the feet of Jesus and offer it to him And in that offering to him Your pains Be completely honest If you're heartbroken, be heartbroken If you're angry, be angry If you're bitter, be bitter and offer it to him honestly and say, you know, Lord, this is all that I've got to offer you.

1:43:45What do you want to do with it? And if you offer it to him in sincerity and let him take it, then there will be an opportunity for healing. and take time to focus your mind not on your pains but on that scene 2 ,000 years ago and use your imagination to sort of capture this. Imagine being there at that scene where Christ is born and give yourself space emotionally to celebrate that fact because in that birth there is hope. You know, you talked about this idea of starting again. And the birth of Christ is the beginning of the reset, the great reset. You know, forget whatever we're up to. The proper reset.

1:44:36Yeah. And if you plug into that, it could be an opportunity for you to take your life in a new direction or to draw a line between you and the past and take solace in that moment. And then if you can, you know, go out, get yourself to church, go and meet people, go and involve yourself, you know, send that text message to that friend. The vast majority of us have got someone we can reach out to. Yeah, that's a good point. If you're not feeling love this Christmas, at least send your love out there. Yeah. Yeah. And you'd be surprised what you get back. Also, it feels nice sending love out. A bit like giving presents.

1:45:22I prefer giving than receiving. But I tell you what, whatever you do, if you're feeling sad, lost, and a little bit out of sorts, do not put on mud lonely this Christmas because that will send you over the edge. And I would also say, like, you know, it is about where we are in our own headspace. You know, it's where we are in our own headspace. And to some degree, we do have choices about that. and you can give yourself a rest by focusing on something else. Cliff Richard. Well, I would say don't focus on the fluff. Focus on the source of the joy. I've had difficult Christmases. When my mum died,

1:46:08there's been tragedies in my life. Take a moment to remember the people that you've lost. take a moment to remember and to remember all the times that they showed you love in your life and just be grateful be grateful for those times that they've shown you love that they gave you that moment of happiness and offer that up to god as well i did this meditation once actually you know where i i just remembered all the times that people had shown me love in my life And I just spent a whole train journey just reflecting and remembering people's kindnesses and people's loving sacrifices. And by the end of the train journey, I came out really sort of filled up, spiritually fed.

1:46:52Yeah, I'll get it. You know, and I would say to you like, and I say this to you is, you know, I know you've had a painful separation. But look back over the course of that relationship. Remember all those good times and then thank God for them. Well, I don't know about that. Well, I just offer it to you. I just offer it to you. And then maybe in thanking God for those times, the good times, those times when you felt loved, those times when you felt valued, those times when you felt appreciated, that that can then move you forward to a point where you could actually say a prayer to bless that person, even though they're a source of pain, or forgive that person, even though they might have done you wrong.

1:47:37I think forgiveness is key. It really is. I think let go of the resentment. If something's chewing you up, you've got to stop chewing. Yeah. But let it go. Yeah. It sounds hippie-like, but your imagination is a vehicle by which you can change the way you think. And on that note, I hope people have got some value and some strength. This wasn't meant to be a depressing podcast. It was more of a... I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. It's real. People have ups and downs and they have wobbles. There's light at the end of the tunnel. If you're one of them people suffering in silence or struggling, or you didn't get to see your kids this year, or you've split up with your family that you loved and you've adored and you're sitting there thinking, how can things improve?

1:48:19I mean, let's use D-Rheem, for example. If you're my age, things can only get better. And they will as soon as you start taking one step in front of the other. And maybe you need to find something to believe in that's bigger than you. And Bob, I love you, brother. It's been great. I love you too. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas And I'll see you for our St George's special Yes, St George's special Looking forward to it You'll love that There's a thumbnail here somewhere Give it a click Have a watch and play Cliff Richard Good health and Merry Christmas Merry Christmas

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