Professor REVEALS Islamist-Socialist Unholy Pact: The End Of Britain By 2055?

28:38I think it's currently the estimate is certainly at least 140 Labour MPs are Fabians and that includes Tony Blair, Keir Starmer, Gordon Brown, Angela Rayner, Sadiq Khan. They're all Fabians. And do they have Fabian Society meetings? Yeah, I think they still, I mean... Is it all underground? I don't think it's not underground. No, I mean, they're quite open about it because they see this as, you know, they think this is all for the greater good. So just so I know, so I'm up to speed before I then sort of investigate it further. The Fabian Society are a think tank that have infiltrated the education system to convince the students that owning nothing and being happy is the way forward.

29:23Am I on the bright track? That's more or less it. It's this, they're going for this utopian new world war, which is ultimately, well, they would say, they would talk about things like democratic socialism rather than socialism. And do the Fabian Society dictate policies? Well, they've captured all the key institutions of state. So they're pulling the strings in Parliament. It's not just the 140-odd Labour MPs, and they're in government now. They've got, Fabians are in those key civil service and advisory positions. How can the Fabian Society be dismantled? I don't know. That's a very good question.

29:57I'd like to think by exposing what their true aims are, because so few people know exactly how ultimately they don't see themselves. Look, these people do not see themselves as being evil. In fact, on the contrary, people like Blair and Starmer, they would say, look, what did they achieve? how did they get Labour into power? They would argue they managed to get Labour into power by getting rid of all of the far-left communists in the Labour Party. So they will claim, well, no, they're against communist principles and all those kind of Marxist principles of total equality and total state control.

30:38But it's just a different version. It's just a different version of socialism. And they will argue that, again, it's back to that whole, the technocratic elite, that belief that technocrats know what's best for us. And these guys appoint the technocrats who themselves have these similar beliefs. And they can impose those beliefs and take control of society by simply getting everybody to understand that that's the way to achieve this utopian new world order. And what's the difference then between Marxism, communism and socialism? The goal is, incidentally, is communism, which is the utopian new world order.

31:22Marxism is a theory that you can only get to that by first having a revolution where you overthrow those people currently in control. right and of course Marx with Marx it was overthrowing the uh you know the the bourgeoisie and you know violent revolution whereas with the Fabians it was the evolutionary revolution but then there's the middle step and this is the one where there's the most confusion and misunderstanding so you've got Marxism the theory that how you actually go about it then socialism is that once you've overthrown whoever you need to overthrow how do you then move towards that the communist utopian new world order.

32:05And the differences are with Marxism, it's all about owning all the means of production. So state has to take control over every single industry, every single business, et cetera. Right. And the state, absolutely, the state owns it. With other forms of socialism, like the Fabian socialism, they will allow, they will allow, they will accept that you don't have to have state owning everything, right? But that there is still authoritarian control over everything, right? They'll allow some private businesses. They will allow some democracy. But only once they've got effectively control over the direction of those businesses and the democracy.

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33:33And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. So socialism would explain somebody like Gary Neville, who seems to have his foot in both camps. Yeah, exactly. The champagne socialist. He would call himself a socialist because he believes in that utopian end goal. Whilst owning a hotel. Yeah, because that's... The whole point is that people like Gary Neville become part of that technocratic elite who get to decide what we can and can't say.

34:18That's why you see people like him will, you know, will criticise anybody, for example, who raises concerns about mass migration. And communism is complete state control. But no, communism is the end. This is what people are saying. Communism is the utopian new world order end goal, which they all want. The Marxist, the more Marxist view of socialism is total state control. So it's that, you know, the people, yeah, it was the Marxists, the original Marxists who saw that you got to the end communism via total state control. Right. You can see how confusing it gets and you can see how people can call somebody either one of those things and maybe not quite get it right.

34:57But that's why I think people should just focus. Do these people have the similar end vision, which is this utopia New World Order where everybody's sort of multicultural, no borders? John Lennon's Imagine, you know, that's what they all think that they can get to with this. Could these ideologies ever work? Or are they dangerous? They can never work. No, the point is, true, you know, communism can't work because people actually like to own stuff. It's as simple as that. And you're never going to get around that. Now, has it ever worked? Well, if you look at all of the so-called, well, it hasn't worked.

35:36I don't like to talk about communist societies because there's never been a pure communist society. It was a communist society, but they would have genuinely achieved their new world utopian order. What you've got, there are socialist countries. So when you talk about North Korea, you know, Soviet Russia, Cuba, these are socialist countries because nobody can claim that they've ever really achieved the utopia where everybody's happy with their lot and happy to have that equality. So they've never really happened. Why is it? It's a very simple reason why it can never happen. Look, actually, I'll actually make a sort of slight qualification here.

36:17You can sort of have it work where you've got very small, culturally homogenous communities. So in small Scandinavian countries, they've got a kind of what I would call the democratic socialism, right, which kind of works because of that. Well, they did have, they used to have that. They've not got any more in most of these countries. But they had that cultural homogeneity where they were quite prepared to, they were happy to pay a lot for those who were working to have a lot of their income to those who couldn't work or unable to work because they saw them as they were genuinely equal citizens.

36:56They wanted to help those who couldn't work and that sort of thing. So it kind of works on that scale. even worked on an even smaller scale with the kibbutzim in Israel. But even there, even in those very, very culturally homogenous societies where in theory it sort of has worked at times, as soon as you introduce people from a different culture who don't have the same ethical, moral, work values, whatever, it has to fail, especially if you're introducing different religions. now in the original marxism of course there was no religion you didn't want any religion so immediately as soon as you've got people who want religion you're going to have massive conflict and as soon as and even with so even with like democratic socialism as soon as you as we've got as i instantly i believe that the uk has had democratic so you know that's democratic socialism is what we've had basically since World War II.

37:56Whether it's conservative or labor, it's been a form of democratic socialism. And as soon as you introduce completely different cultures into that, as we have done here and as has happened in America, as has happened in most of Western Europe, that's where the whole thing falls apart and you get the inevitable civil unrest that we have seen and we're going to see far more of in the future. So basically, yeah, there's no chance. There's no chance. It will never work on a large scale. It's impossible. That was going to be another question. Why does socialism always result in violence? Because it only works, as I say, when you've got a homogenous single culture where people have the same moral culture, cultural, ethical and religious values.

38:43And as soon as you've got people within society who don't share those, you're going to get societal conflict. So socialism is dangerous. It is very dangerous. In a nutshell, it's very dangerous. It is dangerous. Can you ever see a third world war? What would it take for a third world war? I mean, are we on the precipice? Possibly a civil war? I think if the Iranians did ever get nuclear weapons, then you've got the potential for another world war. I don't see it happening via the European conflicts, like via Ukraine. I think it can really only happen with these completely ideologically Islamist societies.

39:24You know, they're the only ones crazy enough to use nuclear weapons that they've managed to get hold of. So I don't see that. What about civil war? Civil war, definitely. I think that there's danger of civil war in the UK even. I think a lot of people fear that after even the next election. You know, that could be the one where you get that red-green alliance. the real red-green alliance in power, right? And what always happens when you get these red-green alliances in power, even the red-green revolutions, take Iran, 1979. That was actually really driven by the socialists, the Marxists, not the Islamists, right?

40:04The ones who really made that revolution happen were the Marxists, right? and yet they thought they could bring in this Ayatollah, you know, from exile in France because he would be a kind of like a uniting figure and he would, you know, just be there for the transformation and then there would be democratic elections and of course the Marxists thought that they would then take control. What happened? The Islamists just took control because they had the ideological desire greater than the socialists to take control. And what was the first thing they did once they had control? They basically killed all the communists.

40:43And the thing is when people, I mean, we'll take X for an example, when people start talking about Iran, you get people saying, why are you worrying about Iran for? It's like, because we can learn. We don't want that happening in the UK. Surely you can see that the only way to predict the future is have a little look at the past. Exactly. And that could easily happen, couldn't it? And that's the fear. So where I see the civil war could happen in the UK is when you've got that red-green alliance, sort of almost like a balance of power, as many of the sort of the Islamists, the Gaza MPs or whatever, your party, those people, the real crazies, where you've got as many of them, not even as many, but around about the same number as the Labour Party, and they then get even more control of the institutions.

41:27So then you've not got the, it's not the Fabians anymore in control of institutions, it'll be the Islamists. And that's the critical point. And then you'll get not just the war between them, but the rest of the population will see, well, hang on a sec. We've now, we've got this democratically elected government, which is not an Islamist, definitely not an Islamist government. They might only at that point have 20 % of the population and they might only have 30 or 40 % of the MPs. But they managed to take control of a lot of the key institutions. And people will say, well, how do we get ourselves to this situation?

42:01You know, we've got to do something to stop this. And what do you do to stop it? We're not going to, as I said right from the start, you're not going to stop it demographically, right, unless you do something drastic like remigration. So, you know, that's where you can have the potential for civil war. Do you think that's the best solution, remigration? There are other policies like, you know, again, the ones that Advance UK put forward, which were things like making it very undesirable for any migrants from the third world to come to the UK. That would be really, I mean, that's really easy to do.

42:35But then so that you could stop or you could actually stop that, but you've still got a problem, as I say, with the demographics and the fertility rates, the Muslims versus the non, you know, versus white Brits, for example. You've still got that problem. So the only way you address that problem is you've got to get either remigration get people people out by force or i would prefer get them out voluntarily make britain not such a welcoming place even for those who are here to practice their extreme forms of islam for example so you do things like you close down the radical mosques right you close down all of that things like the sharia courts think you know simple things like that if you know could make it, you know, these people decided actually maybe we should just go to Syria or Saudi Arabia.

43:26Completely. It blows my mind that we're giving foreigners that don't work benefits. Exactly. All of those things. So there's a lot of things you can do. The term foreigner I've noticed is now being used a lot more. I mean, I've never stopped using terminology like that. But, you know, a year ago you said foreigner. Of course, you'd be lambasted and chastised all over the internet. Yeah. Branded all sorts of things. I think you still are. They come back to this thing about perception. I mean, it's maybe a bit less. But, I mean, look at that. What was that? Ferrari, the guy from, the guy who said yes back, used the word colonised.

43:58Oh, yeah, he's got some backlash today, hasn't he? Oh, my God. They're all out. They're all after him. You know, it's just, you know, just for saying something which everybody can see is true. We are, you know, whichever way you look at it, there's a type of colonisation taking place. I think we've got to stop caring about, you know, sort of public perception. It's like if you know in your heart of hearts you're right and it's coming from a good place, just say it as you see it. I mean, when I go to Spain, I'm a foreigner. If I go to Thailand, I've been there for about 15 years, but I'm Falang.

44:28They even call me a foreigner. Exactly. And we like this whole idea. I mean, again, it goes back to that socialist vision. They're trying to destroy national identity. They're trying to make people make us ashamed of our history and our culture, right? But we like everybody when you think about it. National identity is incredibly important. You know, when you go to France, you want to, you want to, you know, you want to be with Frenchmen. When you go to Italy, Italians, America, I mean, China, why, you know, Africa, why, why, why isn't everybody, all these guys who are talking about, all the people are talking about the need for sort of multicultural society and doing away with, you know, British, you know, white ethnicity or whatever.

45:09Why don't they say the same? And why don't they say, therefore, that, you know, in Africa, they should be, you know, you need to be transforming to have white migration to Africa because you need the multiculturalism. China, Japan, you know, they don't. Nobody would dream of saying you've got to flood, you know, China with non-Chinese and Japan with non-Japanese. You know, we've got these different national identities and we need to preserve them. Yeah. All of them. All of them. Exactly. Not just ours. Exactly. All of them. Exactly. All of them. I wouldn't want Africa to become less African. Exactly, exactly.

45:42And I enjoy going away to indulge in the fruits of these foreign cuisines and cultures. And you want to experience the different cultures. You don't want all the world to be the same multicultural, borderless society that the communists are. There's no harm in saying, I don't want to live amongst certain people. Exactly. There is no harm. If we're culturally different and we're built different and we've got a completely different DNA and mindset, no problem. I just don't want to spend all my time in the same space as you. That shouldn't. And that goes for people that dislike us. Yeah. I mean, they call us over in Asia.

46:17Milky. They think we stink of milk. It's like, fine, you're not used to it. I get it. I'll keep my distance. Exactly. No problem. Who do you think is behind the mass invasion of Europe? There's all the stuff about cabals, elites, whatever. But I think you just have to look at the fact that they're who's who look at the World Economic Forum and who controls the United Nations. Right. So they're ultimately the people who are pushing this. They've wanted this borderless world for a long time, these people. And they've been doing it for various means. They've tried to do it through the sort of the climate change catastrophe narrative as well, because they're saying that you've got to have people are going to have to move from Africa and third world countries because of global warming.

47:03And they won't be able to survive there. Therefore, we've got to be able to welcome them in to the northern hemisphere and western countries. So you've got that aspect of it. And you've got this other aspect, which has been really the one which has been they've been really pushing for the last 30 years. It comes again from the same sort of the UN cliques, the W World Economic Forum, which is this notion that we have to have that mass migration because of the diminishing birth rates in Europe and the US. right and the idea behind that you know is they say well if we don't fix this problem right we're not going to have we're not going to be able to have support people not going to people support them in the old age because eventually we're not going to have any young people to support the old people you have to have a birth rate of above you know whatever it is too which is the rate at which societies can actually be sustained and thrive and at the moment you know as i said before in the UK it's like the white British is something like 1.3 at the moment whereas you know the Muslim birth rate is well above that but in many places in Europe it's well below 1.5 and they've used that that has been the key driver and if you look at for example that the idea people say this is conspiracy theory so if you look at in there was a 2000 UN report which was titled replacement advancement migration, is it a solution to declining and aging populations?

48:32And people say, well, that, you know, say, oh, well, it's certainly not conspiracy theory, because that document existed, it was very, very influential. And you only have to look at that document, I suggest you go and read it, it's easy to find on the internet, you will see that the policies it's proposing are exactly the ones that have been implemented across, you know, across the whole of Europe, actually, and to a lesser extent, it's also in America, but to a lesser extent there. So, So, you know, it's happened and it's been driven by, you know, those same globalists. You know, Bill Gates, for example, has always been into this and he's been around for a long time.

49:07And, you know, again, I mentioned people like, you know, Larry Fink's of this world, you know, Klaus Schwab. Even before that, Henry Kissinger, incidentally, was Klaus Schwab's mentor. They all had this exact same vision. And it was ultimately it was the border side because, look, let's think about it. There are plenty of other ways we could have got around this problem of the low fertility rates in Europe. In fact, if you think about it, why do we have these low fertility rates? It's because of all the sort of the cultural Marxist policies. Feminism, for example, which came out of the whole cultural Marxist movement, extreme feminism, basically has destroyed the idea of that sort of nuclear family unit whereby women would be expected to have children, look after children.

49:59No, it's all about now equality. They have to be out. They should have the same type of jobs as men and they shouldn't be expected to have children until much later. The whole cultural revolution has sort of been geared towards moving away from traditional family units, right? in the taxation system, which could have been used to encourage people to have more children, does exactly the opposite. I mean, you've got a little bit, for example, I think it was in Hungary. Now, was it – they are talking about – they are giving massive tax breaks for families who have more than three children. I think if they have something like that.

50:37And that's the sort of thing which would easily have turned this around. Easy peasy. But they decided not to do that. And that's common sense. It's common sense. They are the ones basically implementing the policies which ensure that you have this diminishing fertility rate amongst the Europeans and Americans. That's where it has had the most influence. And then, hey, we'll come in with this different policy to put it out, which is basically mass migration from the third world. I want to hire a private investigator. Some folks say I'm the best. ABC Tuesdays, TV's hottest PI is back. You sure you're ready to take on a serial killer?

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51:56Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. And is this also part of the Fabian Society's plan? I'm not sure the Fabian Society envisaged when they first set themselves up at the end of the just how radical it would become how that there would be that problem with with the fertility rate but of course it's evolved over time and the point is that the fabians are the ones who've driven that that um cultural marxism you know the long march through the institutions and and those are things which have created all of this infrastructure with the dei and all of that nonsense and the woke ideology gender ideology and nonsense like that which has basically created the environment whereby we've got these low fertility rates.

52:43So you see the Fabian Society, the World Economic Forum, the ECHR, these were all considered groupthink. Oh, yeah, very much, yeah. Yeah, but how long have you been challenging groupthink? Right, so... And what inspires you to do it? Because it's so much easier to go along with a crowd, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, a groupthink, it's basically where, you know, some you've got a bunch of people somehow get convinced of some really really dumb idea and then enough of them get convinced of it and and that then if anybody dares challenge it they get not only do they bullied you know they they actually get angry with people they don't like you can't be challenged so i i mean i first challenged the climate change uh group think which again came out of the whole sort of university system and the cliques who dominate the climate science, we're all in standing, almost all of them.

53:38And certainly most academics, 90 % of academics, irrespective of what their academic speciality is, are political activists above their specialty interests. 90 % of academics are basically Marxists. And I've been in there, let's say, 47 years to know this. You're qualified to talk about all of this. I'm qualified, 47 years in academia. So I first challenged the climate catastrophe narrative because when you think about it, it's a group thing. Everybody has been, kids have been indoctrinated at school, not just at universities in this, right? That's one of the key things that they're indoctrinated in.

54:18They indoctrinate them also with all the DEI stuff from school as well. But the climate catastrophe narrative, and they call it climate justice and all those things, is complete nonsense. And the idea, you know, there are different claims about the extent to which there might have been some human contribution to change in temperature, but there's actually no real, no significant evidence about that. But even forget about that. Forget about that. The very notion that we can somehow, we're going to save the planet by basically having no fossil fuels is completely insane. It's complete insanity. So, of course, that's a classic case of group thing, which you're not allowed to, you know, you can't sort of challenge.

55:04But I challenge that. Now, anecdote here. So in 2015, I actually co-hosted a BBC documentary, which called Climate Change by Numbers. And my co-hosts were Hannah Fry. That was her first ever BBC appearance. She's gone on to become like a stellar career. She was just a humble lecturer at University College London at the time. and she's gone on to a sort of stellar career. She's sort of the BBC's face of science now. She does all of their main documentaries. And the other co-presenter was Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter, who also went on, well, he already had a sort of stellar career, but, you know, he became, for example, one of the sort of the voice of, supposed voice of reason, you know, to explain risk during COVID.

55:54And, of course, I disagreed with a lot of the stuff that he was saying there. So I co-hosted with that because the way it was presented to me, why I did it, was because they presented it as a chart. They were going to do this documentary whereby they were going to get three mathematicians who hadn't actually worked in the area of climate science, were independent, but would be able to explain the climate science in three numbers. and there were the three numbers. My number was the 95 % number, which was supposedly the 95 % confidence that we had that at least half of the recent global warming was man-made.

56:35I don't want to go into the details of that, but I accepted doing this because I actually thought that I could insert some scepticism. Because I had just assumed naively that in a BBC, in a science documentary, if they're choosing us for our science knowledge that we would be able to use that to explain because I actually knew that that 95 % number was wrong. Again, I don't want to talk to the details. I've written extensively about it. But they didn't actually allow me to put – we did a lot of filming where I was actually explaining the subtle issues why that didn't really – it wasn't really what it was claimed, that 95 % number.

57:13And I did a lot of stuff in lay terms explaining it. And the editors at the time, they thought it was fantastic it really really good none of that made it into the into the final edit absolutely none of it that everything that i said in my half hour segment was scripted almost nothing of my stuff we'd done loads of recording we recorded over several months right it went into this 30 minutes and nothing of what i wanted to say got made it into the final edit and there was one particular um statement which i was scripted to write which was about the accuracy of these climate simulation models. It was all done by these climate experts, consultants, professors, blah, blah.

57:53They were the real experts. They were going to tell us what to say and script it. And I was very unhappy with this because it was making claims about the accuracy of these models, which I didn't feel comfortable saying because I knew enough about the statistics of these models to know they couldn't possibly be as accurate as they're claiming. So before the program went out, I got, I actually phoned that particular professor and I said, look, I'm uncomfortable about saying this, right? Are you sure that it's okay? And he said, look, believe me, it's absolutely, you can, trust me, it's absolutely fine.

58:30There's no problem. This is, you know, you can really, we really think that, oh, that accurate, so you can definitely say this. Well, okay, right? Program goes out. shortly after it goes out a colleague trusted college says you need to have a look at this he sends me a link to a paper that that guy that same professor had written six months before which completely contradicted what he scripted me to say so i get on the phone to him and in more or less words and i told him you know why did you say why do you say it was okay to say that when your own paper suggests that's not the case. We have to lie for the greater good.

59:09And, of course, I put in a formal complaint about this and, you know, the way it was edited to BBC, which is why that was my first and last BBC television appearance, whereas Adam Fry and David Spiegel had to have gone on to great things. So there's your sort of example of group thing. Now, after, with COVID, actually, at least I didn't get, I wasn't, when I say I was public, so I sort of publicly challenged it, but it didn't really get noticed by my colleagues. Oh, incidentally, another thing about that is that I told my colleagues at Queen Mary University, like other professors, I told them that story expecting they would be shocked and horrified by it.

59:49And almost everyone said, yeah, he was right. You do have to lie for the greater good in this case because they feel that climate change is the biggest, you know, that's the biggest issue. If we, you know, if we have to lie to scare people into believing. I'll tell you another anecdote about that. Because after that programme, because I was presenting what was effectively a propaganda piece on climate catastrophe, because it really was a ridiculous propaganda piece. It was brilliantly done. It won a whole load of awards, actually. Right. But it was a propaganda piece. I then got, I started to get invited to sort of conferences with sort of climate science conferences.

1:00:25And I'll never forget one of those conferences, a professor was talking about the potential impact of a sort of an increase of one and a half degrees warming over the next whatever many years. And what she said was that actually, if it happens, there'll be 10 times more people will be saved from dying of cold than who will die from heat. So actually add massive societal benefits in terms of mortality. What did she say after that? But whatever you do, nobody must give that message across in public. So that's the sort of, again, it's all about lying for the great good. But COVID, I mean, my God, COVID, I came out very, very...

1:01:20What did you learn from lockdowns? Oh, the globalists who were behind the lockdowns could easily control more or less the whole population of the world to do things which were absolutely insane. It was an IQ test, wasn't it? They managed to pull off that unbelievable amount of authoritarian control and people were willing to go along with it. Yes. And people like me who were dissenters, you know, because I, you know, because I publicly challenged, you know, the efficacy. I got demonized because it wasn't just the lockdowns, of course. Vaccinations. But it was also the whole thing about the lethality of COVID because we showed very early on that it wasn't a deadly virus.

1:02:05nothing it was you know it was just effectively like another bad flu it wasn't particularly novel either because you get all these coronaviruses coming all the time and of course then later on when i challenged the when we showed very early on that the vaccines were neither effective nor safe you know all helllessly but what happened so first of all the first thing that happened with me look bearing in mind i was i say 47 years in academia i was i'd written seven books i had 350 peer-reviewed papers. I was considered to be one of the world's top experts in probabilistic risk analysis. I used to do lots of expert witness civil and criminal cases.

1:02:44I used to be called as an expert witness in my area of special reality, which was kind of like statistics, forensics of DNA. All of that got stopped because as soon as I started speaking out about this, First of all, the first thing that happened was that it brought the attention of that I got monitored by the 77th Brigade Do you know what that is? No You've never heard of it The 77th Brigade What is that? It is actually a brigade of the British Army which was set up originally about 20, I'm not sure exactly, maybe about 20 years ago It was supposed to be an intelligence monitoring unit It was really dedicated to monitoring foreign terrorist threats.

1:03:29That's what it was set up to do. And, of course, it was mainly people working on computers. It's a part of the British Army. It's actually amazingly simple for people to actually become a member of the 77th Brigade because all you've got to do is have access to a computer because you basically spend your time monitoring the internet. Right. Right. and you're supposed to basically identify. It was all about identifying potential terrorists, foreign terrorist threats. During COVID, the 77th Brigade... Cyber threats or any threat? Actually, mainly not cyber threats, but just monitoring chatter, monitoring who are key influencers or basically inciting...

1:04:11Spying in chat rooms and stuff. Yeah, even just the public stuff, right? What did they do during COVID? They dedicated themselves to monitoring people like me, dissenters, British nationals, who were simply questioning, using official government data to question what the official narrative was that we had this deadly virus. And the only way out of it was initially lockdowns. And the only way out of lockdowns is everybody has to get mandatory vaccination. So that's what the 77th Brigade was doing during COVID. And they were able to then whip up these organised groups on Twitter. For example, there's a thing called the Mutton Crew, who basically working with, we believe, working with people in the 7th Brigade, would then basically target people like me who were questioning the narrative.

1:04:58And you'd get these Twitter storms happen, whereby loads of people would then email or tweet or whatever, write to my university, it was Queen Mary University. I did it to others as well, and demand that I be sacked. So you get that happening and then you get all these frivolous HR complaints and the university never stood by me, never sort of come out publicly and said, you know, we're not going to tolerate. In fact, I was forced to respond to all of these things. It's really time consuming. But I got, first of all, I got immediately, whereas I would always be able to publish my work in peer-reviewed journals, all my publications were basically rejected without review.

1:05:43Same with grant applications. I had colleagues who refused, who actually demanded that my name be taken off. Either my name be taken off a paper, which had nothing to do with COVID, just my other stuff. Or they would refuse to be co-authors on papers that I was an author of. They basically took me off grant applications. I got cancelled. My own, I used to give seminars to our own medical school, right, because a lot of work I was doing was in medical risk assessment. which is why I was tuned into the whole COVID data because that's what we were doing. We were doing medical risk assessment before of chronic diseases.

1:06:21That was a big collaborative project I was working on at the time. I had all these great expert clinicians who worked with us to get the expert input on the particular conditions and then we do the probabilistic stuff on top of that. Most of those people just disassociated them. So I was a meet after this. And whereas I did get invited, for example, once to give a talk to our medical school. I used to do that all the time. But once during COVID, I was given it. And just hours before I was due to give it, I was told it was cancelled because there'd been opposition with people within the medical school and said they didn't want a conspiracy theorist.

1:07:03And I'll tell you what, they actually said I saw an email, a conspiracy theorist and flat earther. So I'd been called not only a conspiracy theorist, they suddenly decided I'm a flat earth as well where have they got that from but that's it the accord of conspiracy theories that was the that was a term i got my wikipedia page page hacked you know by with all this and that was based on again an article in the times which which actually laughingly because it was right at the beginning of the vaccination program it laughingly said academics um make bizarre claims that the covid vaccines could kill which of course is turned out of course to be complete In fact, it was true at the time.

1:07:39We knew it was true then. It was right at the beginning. But we were like demonized. And like the Wikipedia, you're using that article to say I was a mad conspiracy theorist because I dared say that, you know, the COVID vaccines were not safe and affected. You've got all that. I ended up getting students. I mean, I was eventually sort of forced out of the university because you had in the end, It was like students were going to the head of school and demanding they be taken off my lecture course. They did a master's course. It was a compulsory course for them. And, you know, 300 students, because 10 went to the head of school, you know, complaining that they didn't want to, they should be taken off a mandatory course because I was a conspiracy theorist.

1:08:21The course had nothing to do with that. You know, it didn't mention any of that stuff. But, you know, because I was classified as a conspiracy theorist, they saw me as some kind of evil demon. And the last straw with the sort of the cancellation stuff was the – I actually got invited to a very big NHS conference, which was on the use of AI in medical decision-making. Again, nothing to do with COVID whatsoever. And this is – that's sort of an area where I'm particularly – you know, the particular expertise, and I was billed as a sort of a star speaker. It was like they said, you know, they're so excited to have me on talking about this.

1:08:57just before, again, I prepared a lot of work I put into that particular lecture because it was sold out, you know, it's going to be hundreds of people. And then they cancelled it because my presence would be a distraction. That's what they said. And then the free speech union, I got cancelled, but the free speech union took up my case on that. And, you know, in the response, the NHS lawyers' response was quite astonishing, right? Their justification for cancelling me. First of all, they were doing things like referring to tweets I'd made about climate change, thinking about Lucy Letby, which is another funny thing, which I'd actually made long after I was cancelled.

1:09:39They were using it as evidence that I was some kind of crazy conspiracy theorist. So because I'd actually was one of the first with my colleague, I have a colleague who I interviewed and it got over a million views. he was the first person to question the evidence in the Lucy Letby case. So at the time, that was a considered man conspiracy theory. Of course, now every Tom, Dick and Harry politician is kind of like saying, yeah, there might be miscarriage of justice. But we were, well, my colleague was the first to alert the world to that. And I did an interview with him where he did that, right?

1:10:09So, and they use that, which happened after the cancellation. But the most bizarre, you know, the most bizarre thing of all, this is absolutely incredible, because they must have known that I was Jewish, for example. and they must have known that my father was a Holocaust survivor, the sole survivor from his family. And you know what they said? They said that because I'd used the – there's a clown world emoji. You can use it. A lot of people use it at the end of posts. It's a clown world. You're making a joke about someone. They said because I used that, that meant that I was somehow sympathetic to Hitler because the far right in America were known to use that clown world symbol as for meaning Honk Hitler or Heil Hitler.

1:10:49Where they get that from, I had no idea, but they actually said that in their defence as to why they cancelled me. Oh, if somebody catches you winking online, there's something behind it, or if I see a triangle in the background, you're part of the Illuminati. There's some lunatics out there. But that was the NHS's lawyers said that. Well, you all no longer cancelled your back. What platforms can people find you on so they can follow your work? Because I'll put all your links in our description. Thanks. So I'm on X or Twitter, Prof N Fenton, P-R-O-F-N-F-E-E-N-T-O-N. And on there, you'll also see a link to my sub stack, which is where are the numbers?

1:11:26And they're your main too. Yeah. I mean, there's also normanfenton.com if you want to get all my, see all my publications and all of that stuff. I'm sure people are going to be fascinated with this interview. So yeah, I appreciate you coming on. And I know you've come a long way and you spent a lot of time doing this. So thank you for that. If you enjoyed this, like and subscribe to the channel so I can keep bringing you these conversations and guests that are banned from the mainstream and completely cancelled. And if you want to follow Professor Norman, his links will be below. I will put a thumbnail here somewhere for you to click and watch another one with a similar theme.

1:11:56And for you, sir, thank you. Stay safe. Don't get cancelled again. And I dare say we will meet again. Thanks very much. Great to be here. Cheers, mate.

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