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25:56And I've normally, I've done loads of TV stuff, GB News, talk TV web, and even with somebody I'm debating, you never, those bits before, they're always just really casual. It's like, what's your name? Where are you from? But this, she was really trying to get information from me because I think she realized that she probably can't pull that racism card on me in this conversation. So she's already trying to win me the debate before we've even gone inside, which I thought was weird. And in my head, I was like, yeah, I was just literally like zoned out. I was just like, yeah, I understand. Yeah, cool.

26:25Like I just wasn't giving anything. And then I think I just start by saying DI is a joke. Like we shouldn't have DI in this country. We've gone too far. And before I could even finish my trail of thought or my sentence, she starts saying, how can you say that? How can you say that? She starts talking over me. I sit there and I kind of let her talk over me. Then the presenter's trying to keep this controlled. somehow it's not working. And then I think there was an example of a pilot or something about DEI going to a pilot. And I was saying the whole point of a pilot is safety. I don't care if the guy's black, white, brown.

27:02I just don't want, I don't think if they have a certain skin colour, they should get a leg up for a position. I think that's wrong. I think it's morally wrong. I think it goes against British values and I think it's terrible. And then I made the point about how in the UK, technically the most successful group or some of the most successful groups are British Asians. So in general, British Chinese, British Indians, they perform really well at school. They perform really well in jobs per capita, per percentage. And Narinda just couldn't understand per capita. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT.

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28:22Firestone all-season tires. For durability, you can count on. Just like people count on you. Firestone. Always dependable. Since 1900. I was going to say Narendra and Perkabita. So she starts shouting. She's like, how can you say that when only 16 % she said or something of British Indians are in this position? And in my head, I was like, that's a really high number because British Indians don't make up much of a percentage. But anyway, she's like shouting at me and I couldn't finish. And then the last thing I finished off with was about how in the UK, if you're a British white kid, particularly a boy, you have the lowest literacy rates and lowest numeracy rates in the country.

29:05So how the fuck's that got to do with DI? Like if you really care about DEI, then focus on white British boys who make up the majority, who are going to make up the majority of the working population. They're never going to have maternity leave. So they are going to work. And if their standards are going down, that is terrible for me as a brown guy, him as a black guy. Because if I'm working in a company where the standards are declining, that's not good. They're not getting good education. They're not going to get good jobs. They're not moving forward. So I was having this whole, I wanted to have a serious debate.

29:33Didn't really happen. So I left the studio and I was like, this is actually, I was really excited. frustrated with myself. I was like, this is actually a shit experience. I went on BBC One. I probably said about 20 words, if that. I got shouted at the whole time. She then was shouting at me as I left the building. And I was like, this is actually shit. I felt embarrassed. I was like, wow, I've embarrassed myself. I went on TV. I said, fuck all. And literally, that was so shit. Ironically, I was meeting at the time my fiance and her, my father-in-law, so like wedding shopping. so I didn't go on my phone I just met them straight after and then we were there for like a few hours and then went home and I just went on like X Instagram and I was like oh my god so many people agreed with what I said like so many people were like they were like what the hell like they were supporting me in sense of like why was he shouted at the whole time he got to say the words he said were really good we agree with him blah blah blah I was like oh wow this is absolutely amazing that's interesting you say that she the whole sort of trying to sush you out at the start and then shouting at you as you're leaving.

30:37Now, I'm never, I think, is Narendra just pantomime? But she's not, is she? She's, if she's sort of prepping you up and then shouting as you're leaving, that's a naturally venomous person. I know she does the shouting over you mid-debate, and I think maybe, you know, the BBC think they're going to get good ratings from that. For me, I just think, core, blimey. And also, the whole per capita thing. Was this after Cole Benjamin explained to her in great detail what per capita meant? This was way after. So she still hasn't learned about per capita. The issue was, she obviously knew it was a debate.

31:11She's going to go up against somebody. I think the moment she saw who I was in terms of my skin colour, my full name, she can tell, obviously, I've got Indian heritage. She's Indian heritage. None of that. You can't call me a racist. You literally can't call me a racist. Did you not call you a coconut? up? I've got to be careful because I know she sues a lot but I think she did on X afterwards. I don't know if she did or not. What she's doing to Lawrence Fox at the moment, you've probably seen that because he's been plastered everywhere. Insane. An upskirting picture that he shared that I think she'd already posted, done the rounds a hundred times and I know that a lot of those it girls back in the day would have a journo positioned conveniently to take the picture purposefully so they could then split the money.

31:59It's terrible. If you're on that table and you're saying the same things as I was saying, I think she could always be like, you know what, Liam, you don't actually know what it feels like. You don't know what it feels like as an Indian person. You don't know what it feels like as a brown person. You don't know what it feels like. Whereas you can't do that with me because we are literally the same skin color. So you can't play this stupid game that I know that's absolute BS. So it's not going to work. She did in the end say something about women at the end. And I was like, That's very convenient because that's one thing, obviously, I'm not.

32:28So that was interesting at the end. But yeah, if she ever watches this, I would happily do a one-on-one debate with her as long as she doesn't scream and shout at me. I'd happily do it again. But she cannot scream and shout like the way it was on the BBC. Good luck with that. I've got an open door policy for Narendra. I would love her to come on here. You could moderate it. I would love that. But yeah, Narendra wouldn't be shouting and screaming at me. That is for sure. I'd be very polite in how I dealt with her. But yeah, I'd just love to see her have a conversation with somebody without shouting and trying to dominate the environment with the volume of her voice.

33:01It makes terrible TV, for my opinion. I think people are going to get bored of it soon. So I think she should scrub up on her IQ so she can actually have some more intelligent conversations. You said that DEI is insulting to white people and racist. I mean, it's kind of obvious why, but just from your own mouth. Yeah. Degrading is the word you used. Yeah, I think, okay, so for, I'll do non-white people first. Like the idea you need help from the system or you need help to get a job or you need help to get anything in life that you require some sort of leg up or you require something, it's so insulting.

33:39Like the idea that I can't do something or a black person can't do something and they need a certain quota to get there, so degrading and insulting. Like how must you feel you've got this job based on your colour? Like what? You want it on merit. And I think so on the non-white side, I think it's really insulting. And I think it's degrading on for white people, because let's be honest, all it is is just basically anti-white. It is pure racism. Like imagine saying to me or to a black person saying, you can't get this job because we have too many of you. So we need less of you and we need. Well, first thing you'd say racism.

34:15Everyone would say BBC would be up in arms. That's absolutely racist. You can't say that. But why is it okay to do that towards white people? Why is that like a university and accepted thing? The reason so many people love this country is that idea of merit, that idea of merit-based, having a merit-based system where you can move up the ladder, you can do really well in life, and it's purely based on merit, and it's purely based on your skill, on your work ethic, and all this stuff. And once you start to take that away, I think you're in a really slippery slope. Like, you know, I've seen examples where people talk about it in the police or they talk about it in FBI, whatever, in America.

34:53And you see in law enforcement even. And that's like the worst place in the world. Do you think if your house is on fire, you know, a white man's coming to save you, you're going to say, oh, no, I want a black or a brown person to save me. Like your house is on fire. You don't care. I want the midget lesbian. Exactly. So it's just like, I don't understand the attraction for people with why they're obsessed with DEI. And I don't get why so many white people have taken it on board as well. I really don't understand. I can understand some people trying to take advantage of it and maybe non-white people, but why white people have decided to encompass it as well.

35:31I don't understand because it is to me outright racism. It's an insult to everybody. 100%. Yeah, DEI, for me, it's a lose-lose. And like you say, positions of frontline security, it's dangerous. 100%. Really dangerous. The union flag, does it offend you? To answer, no, it doesn't offend me. Should it offend you? It's one of my stupidest. Like, honestly, some of this stuff, it's only happening in UK, parts of liberal America and in the West. If you're offended by the flag Of a country you're in, leave Like literally leave If you find the flag of the country That you are living in so offensive You should not be there Because what does a flag do?

36:16It gives you an easy symbol Of what the country is It gives you unity It gives you a sense of belonging You understand the borders of your country If you find that offensive Then you shouldn't be there It's the most stupid thing that people have made this into a political statement of some sort where having a flag is offensive. Like, it's ridiculous. It's gone too far. I think it's tolerance. We're generally British people very tolerant. And I think that tolerance has now gone too far. The fact that we tolerate people saying that we find your flag offensive is ridiculous. Nowhere else in the world, apart from some of the West, nowhere else in the world would they entertain this kind of conversation.

36:55Do you think China, India, Japan, anywhere has this conversation? I think they actually laugh at this sort of, the fact that this is even getting airtime, the fact that this is clearly an issue because people are reporting it to be offensive. I think it's embarrassing. Do you actually believe that people find the union flag offensive or they're just extremely narcissistic and they're using it as an excuse to harness attention? Because how on earth could that flag be offensive to anybody that lives here? I think it's a bit of both. I think the only people that may, I don't think they necessarily believe it, but I think in the last maybe 10 years in particular I think there's just been such a everything's bad about Britain I think that narrative has just been really pushed and I think so then if you think everything's bad about Britain then maybe that's why you think the flags are so bad and I think that's the only rational thing I can think of other than being complete narcissists and just wanting attention that's the only thing I can think of but I think that's the other scary thing as well in terms of Britain is that constant talking bad about Britain's history.

37:57I mean, it's the craziest thing that you should be embarrassed of. What do you think about the British Empire? Summarise the British Empire and give a firm opinion on it. The British Empire should not be compared to today's standards. That's the first point. I think it's a stupid argument when people say they did this to join the British Empire and we now know in 2026 it's unacceptable or whatever, but that was, if you want to compare the British Empire, talk about the British Empire, compare it to other empires. If you compare it to other empires, it was the most modern, most progressive, most forward-thinking empire in history, like period.

38:30Any historian will tell you that. Anyone that's serious will tell you that. Some of the stuff that they did, abolish slavery. Which empire throughout history has ever done that? The idea of making a decision that will make your empire, make your land poorer has never been done before. it's not a thing that anyone would do so I think that's incredible and I think that's especially incredible now when modern slavery still exists we know across the world slavery is still a thing so again it's embarrassing when I do some of the TV stuff and often slavery seems to always come out as debate or reparations and it's always like why are you talking about something that happened over 100 years ago that Britain abolished why not talk about what's going on in parts of Africa, parts of Asia where modern slavery still exists but you know we'll never ever talk about that instead it's just constantly talking down what the british empire did and i think i think it's it's useless i i don't think anyone you speak to anyone in in the uk are they pro-slavery i'm pretty sure everyone will say no so why do we need to keep talking about it should we not talk about the fact that our iphone chips are made of come from cobalt and they're in congo and those guys getting paid less than a dollar a day is that much more of I think that's probably a bit more of an issue than talking about something that happened 100 odd years ago that Britain also abolished.

39:50So I think the British Empire has got a lot of bad stick by, again, people who just don't understand history or not prepared to understand history. I don't even think people need to understand history. I think people are addicted to victimhood. So they go back as far as they possibly can to use that as justification of being a victim. so they can be a proud victim, which is fucking bizarre. Really, really strange. And when you see white people, because we now see it en masse, white people apologising for their actual existence, what do you think when you see that? Embarrassing. I think a lot of those people who are doing that, I think they just, I don't know, like they have lack of purpose in life and they just have, they see this as like a tick box and maybe makes them feel good or look good for other people or whatever.

40:46I don't think there's any merit in it. It's just embarrassing. Why apologize for things that are out of your control, things that you didn't do? And I think some of that is people are not taking responsibility for themselves. I think a lot of that is lack of accountability. So rather than actually just being a good person, having conversations like this, that they think by being apologetic or denouncing their history, they can almost still be a bad person now. So they can call you the names they call you, me the names they call me, because they're apologizing for their white guilt, so they can't be a bad person.

41:25So I think a lot of those people, they'd be better off just going home, being a good son, aspiring to be a good father, husband, whatever. I think those would be much, you'd do a lot better in your life to do those things, rather than apologising for things that you didn't do. It's bizarre. I don't trust anyone that adopts that attitude because I think, well, what are you hiding? Because I don't claim to be perfect or I'm not a particularly nice. I'm a good man. But I wouldn't say I was a nice man. And I wouldn't pretend to be the greatest person on earth or the nicest person or the most loving or giving or charitable.

42:02It's just like I'm a normal human being with a good heart and strong principles. But I think people shout too much about the same thing. It's like, maybe that's not who you are. But I think what you said there, Liam, is literally perfect. I think everyone should want to be a good person, not necessarily a nice person. I think a lot of that crowd, they aspire to be nice. And a lot of the time, they end up being really, really bad. And I think it's so much better to be the other way around. You should be a good person. And most likely, if you are a good person, you probably will be quite nice as well.

42:33You probably will have some nice traits about you. But so much of that be kind, be nice crowd, from what I've seen, are some of the most vicious, some of the most racist, some of the most intolerant people you'll meet. And it's ironic because they preach being nice, being kind. But I think when you don't actually have good values, that stuff easily falls away. Yeah, and I think if you're too nice, you get taken advantage of and you get twisted up and manipulated and steered into situations you don't want to be in. I don't think it pays to be overly nice, but be kind and be a good person. And by pretending you're nice when you're not, makes you a bad person because you're fucking lying.

43:10Agreed. Do you get stick from other Indians for being so pro-Britain? And would you describe yourself as a British patriot? Yeah, for sure. I think the majority are similar. We'll have similar thoughts. I don't want to speak for them, but I think they have similar-ish views on what's going on. I definitely will get stick from... parts of the British Indian community, and just non-white people in general, I'll definitely get a stick from, for sure, for my opinions and views. Obviously, coconut's the usual slur, and stuff like that. Yeah, I definitely will. I think, I don't know if it's getting less now, because people, I think some of the problems that you've been talking about for such a long time, and I've been talking about, are so in your face now that you can't even hide from it.

44:00I think now more and more people are like understanding of positions that I've said over the years. So I think that's definitely decreasing. But, yeah, I still think I get a reasonable amount of stick for it. I know you're good friends with Tommy Robinson on my podcast, and that definitely caused some stick in terms of people who I know, British Indians. And then my usual thing is, OK, just tell me what he says wrong, and we can talk about it, but they can't. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work?

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45:51But I look at that and I think that was an example maybe 10 years ago when I would probably be an outright conservative. I'm not going to say conservative party, but like just more right leaning with my views. And I think there was a time where non-white people always tended to steer more to the left. And so I think those days I definitely would have had more stick because I think that was for a lot of people like, oh my God, like you're going against the grain kind of thing. So I think it's definitely decreased. But you would describe yourself as a British patriot Yeah I think so I think so yeah Yeah so playing devil's advocate If you love Britain so much Why have you moved to Dubai?

46:32Good question For the record I definitely want to come back I want to raise children in UK And 100 % want to come back to UK I think right now It's a reasonably young-ish So the opportunity to experience Different life Job opportunities and stuff like that from some of the points I said earlier aspiring to be an entrepreneur aspiring to create wealth aspiring to be ambitious all this sort of stuff I think right now in the UK they look down on people like that I think they make it so hard for people like that to exist I've been back here for a little while now and people always ask me what's my favourite thing with Dubai what do I miss of UK and questions like that or things I don't like about UK even and I think the big thing that I don't think I realized until maybe the last few days is, and I don't actually blame people for this, but there is so much negativity that there's just so much negativity.

47:29And I know Americans are probably a bit better with this anyway, with their entrepreneur culture, but I've seen far more this time around where everything is so negative. And I don't blame people because of what's happening to the country. So I'm not, this isn't a dig towards people, but that it's taxing. Now when I'm not here, it's like you meet people with much more positivity, much more an encouraging way of life. Laws are respected. Just basic things that I think maybe we took for granted in UK for such a long time where those things don't exist now. We had that example of the shoplifter, I think for Waitrose, who got, not the shoplifter, the worker for Waitrose who stopped the shoplifter then got fired.

48:19You know, stuff like that. It's just crazy. It's insane. It scares me. It scares me because, like I said, this is my home and I definitely will be back. But, yeah, I think there's a lot of stuff that now that I've been away from the country for a little while that some is just outright lies and some of it is just, you know, like the NHS, like no one's allowed to ever criticise the NHS. but you know this free healthcare the so called free healthcare you know you look at what British taxpayers are paying under the NHS it's a joke, the amount they're paying is a joke B, some of the stuff the NHS has done over the years has been a joke you see these diversity officers getting paid 80, 90, 100 grand a year and I just can't understand why people are not more frustrated about it, I really struggle to understand why people just aren't annoyed about this, why this isn't on the tip of everyone's tongue.

49:15Your taxes, people in this country's taxes, are going towards diversity officers in the NHS. Scandalous is what it is. I mean, I am one of them people that are very angry about all of that. It kind of consumes me because I think my son and my grandson have got to live through this shit. And, I mean, we're doing that. We're like a sinking ship at the moment. And I can't see any hope in sight at the moment for as long as there's the massive divide. The safety in Dubai, because I was over there two days before Iran started firing over missiles. And obviously Dubai has always been described as the safest place in the world.

50:00Has your opinion, because I was out there for two weeks while that was going on. Right. Has your opinion changed on Dubai's safety since the war? no not necessarily um i think at the time actually it's worrying right seeing seeing that stuff happen um but i think there's a genuine trust in their leadership in terms of the way they are in terms of they'll just fix it like it's such a like i know it sounds so simple and um um almost a simple answer but i i just the way they since i've been there the way they just get stuff done when there's an issue is unbelievable. Like any issues going on, they'll just fix it.

50:40So I don't, that doesn't really concern me in terms of safety. Oh, of course, right now. What about where Dubai's located geographically, all the countries that surround it? When I looked at it on a map whilst I was over there, I looked at the map thinking, oh, hell. Of all the places I could be right now. I don't know. I think obviously geographically it's an interesting place where it is. But again, the safety stuff, I think the confidence in terms of how they approach things and how they work, it fills me with a lot of confidence. And what do you think the British government could learn from the UAE?

51:19So much. I mean, you look at the groups, the terrorist groups are not allowed in the UAE, but they're allowed here. Or Muslim Brotherhood, for example. Yeah, it's crazy. And there's a great video from, you know, I can't remotely act like I'm an expert in that region, but there's a great video from a UAE minister where he talks about the fact that Islamic extremism will be stronger and it will grow more in Europe than it will in the UAE because the West doesn't understand how extremism evolves, how it grows. so I think in terms of what's going on with mass migration and the impact of that stuff there's so much it can learn for me personally I think for so many people tax is a joke in this country I mean the fact that this is normalized these are highs of again the days of like World War II and the way it's not even remotely dropped it's pathetic I think tax in this country is a joke you incentivize people to not work which is again crazy I saw the universal credit numbers have tripled in the last six years.

52:23I think it's like 2.7 million now. It's more than 8 million. I mean, that is crazy. More than 8 million people in this country are not working or claiming universal credit. Unemployment, the numbers are not accurate because the unemployment numbers are only the people who have signed up to say that they're unemployed. There's so many people who are unemployed or aren't even seeking work, which is scary. so I think those I think for me are the big ones I think the economics of this country right now are really really scary and all they're doing is they're pushing out people who are either successful or aspiring to be successful and I think that's scary like who's going to create these jobs who's going to create these businesses how are we going to have a functioning economy so I would love to see the first thing that should happen is taxes should go down for every single person The more and more people I speak to now, obviously, you've got the obvious migration, spiking crime, but more and more people now are acknowledging the state of the economy and that we simply can't survive on sinking sand, which is kind of how we live in at the moment.

53:31What about crime? Because obviously, the UAE, they rule with an iron paw, don't they? No one fucks around over there. Over here, do you think we're too lenient, just right, complete soft touch? Complete soft touch. It's crazy because like I've had to like recalibrate my brain I went one of the first times I was in Dubai when I moved I met my friend and he'd been there for like eight years And we went to the pub and I had my phone on the table And every time I'd go to use a loot I'd put it into my pocket and just walk off back to do And I remember a couple of hours and my mate was just like still relaxed Like you can just leave your phone on the table You don't need to like be panicking every time and so like I almost had to like de-put that in my head where you know I was in London for drinks last week and I went to the pub nice pub and it's in the city of London and I had my phone just here I went to order a drink and it's literally here and I'm ordering a drink there and the waitress like can you put your phone in your pocket I was like no I'm just taking out because I'm going to pay Apple pay it and she's like if you don't mind just put in your pocket and you take it out when you need to pay.

54:41And I thought, okay, that's a bit weird. Went to another place. I had my bag just on the side of me, right next to me. Waitress came over and said, do you mind just putting it in between your legs? Because we've had people snatching bags here. She told me a story about how last week somebody had just taken somebody's bag, walked off. She ran after him to say, stop, you're taking somebody's bag he turned around spat in her face and just walked off and this is like central london and this is like right in the hub um and so stuff like that wouldn't exist in dubai and so the fact that people aren't even scared they're not even worried that they can do stuff like this it's completely lawless sadiq khan has has failed on a on a monumental scale What do you think of that man, Sadiq Khan?

55:32Is there a more damaging politician in the UK in the last 10 years? I'm not sure. I think he's one of the most damaging. And I'll tell you something, because sometimes I think, is it just me? Is it just me saying all this stuff? Is it people like ourselves just saying it? But universally, across the world, whenever I go to any conferences, any meetings, and they hear me speak and they can tell I'm from Britain, and they all tell me, like, well, the first question I'll throw they'll ask is, what is happening in London? Like, is it really that bad? We are a universal worldwide embarrassment. And I tell you what, initially, you're like, okay, I've left London.

56:08I've left Britain. I'm okay. After a few times, it hurts. Like, it's actually your first thing is to get defensive because it's where you're from. So initially, I'm like, no, it's not that bad. And then in my head, I'm like, no, it actually is that bad. I'm lying. I'm just doing this out of patriotism and whatever. It is actually that bad. And it hurts. It's embarrassing. You go anywhere across the world and they'll talk to you about what the hell is going on in London. Is it really that bad and stuff like that. So he's not only has he damaged the Britain, he's damaging Londoners' life. He's making their life worse.

56:41He's making so many people's lives worse. He's also on a global scale. It's being recognised. Yeah, he's not my mayor. Maybe on paper, but not in spirit. How do we fix Great Britain, do you think? migration is definitely the the first thing that has to stop like we have to control what's going on numbers wise um that has to be the first thing and i think a genuine economic fix i think the country economically so far behind um so many other parts of the world um i mean the simple stuff lowering taxes would be great incentivizing people to work cutting benefits um i think these things would make a massive difference.

57:23And I think more culturally and socially, we need to bring back being proud to be British. I don't think it should be something that we're embarrassed about. That needs to change. I'm actually weirdly optimistic that there will be a change. I think maybe just the way life is, I think, and maybe as we're seeing it just really crash. And I think there'll be a correction where people will wake up and and say enough is enough. We can't keep going like this. And we've kind of seen that with a lot of the rejection of mainstream media. Although Labour won the last election, you could argue it was more the Tories' last people who just didn't want to vote for anyone but them.

58:04Yeah, if there was a general election tomorrow, who would you be voting for? I really am struggling with this one. Me too. I'm politically homeless. Same, because I'm always going to say, just my upbringing and the way I've been raised, I'll always be more the right side of my beliefs and opinions. I always believe in low taxes and things like that. So I'm always going to be more on the right than left. So for me, it's conservative, reform, restore. Weirdly, I like what Kimmy Bandnock's saying, but obviously the Tory party's credibility is such a low. There's a lot of stuff for restore I like, and there are things of reform I like as well.

58:40So I honestly, I don't know. There's so many things of reform I like, but then I do have concerns. Are they just going to be another version of the Conservative Party? Reforms seem to be recruiting a lot of Muslims at the moment. Yeah. Where we have a lot of Islamic problems in the UK at the moment. And I speak to enough people to know that that's a lot of people's main concern. Not just bone of contention. People actually feel justified for being Islamophobic. They don't think it's an irrational fear to fear some of their ideas. Right. And so at the moment, his team seem to be forever recruiting more Muslims.

59:21And it's putting a lot of people off reform. I can see good in all the parties. I can see a little bit of greatness in all of them. And I'm just wondering, how on earth can they just come together, drop the egos and work out a plan? Because you've got to put country before ego. 100%. Otherwise, we're left with Starmer or worse, Zach Polanski. That would be my dream. Like what you said there, all three together. I really, I know he's having a bit more contrast now, I really loved Rupert Lowe at Reform. He was definitely one of my favourite MPs at the time. He was great in Parliament, wasn't he?

59:57Yeah, he's so good. And I think with both Reform and Restore, they are such a new party, so you do almost feel like giving them a bit of leeway in some ways. But Reform, the concern is the Tory 2.0 for me. That's the big concern. And I think you have to be more than just one man in terms of Nigel Farage. You have to have more underneath. And sometimes when you think, what do you actually believe in? What are your core principles and values? Are you, which is what I was initially attracted to, which was the, we're going to control borders. We're going to be aggressively controlling borders. We're going to put Britain's interests first.

1:00:35We're going to lower taxes, which is probably more the right wing conservative party kind of beliefs. or be an actual conservative party, which is what I would, that's what I was really interested in initially in reform. And some of the stuff they've done since doesn't go in line with that. Who can we trust? Who can we really, really trust? I mean, trust. And we're very low on trust at the moment. We don't trust the police, the politicians, the institutions, the councils, each other anymore. Yeah, what do you think about the police? I had a lot of admiration when I was growing up, for sure, for law enforcement police.

1:01:11I think it's a tough job, really difficult job. And I had so much admiration. That has really decreased in the last few years when they've put forward stuff like the DEI stuff within police. The grooming gang scandal is a joke and how that was allowed to happen and the lack of investigation. So on the basis of that, no, I don't trust the police anymore in the UK, which is sad because I grew up in a my dad was a police officer for a couple years as a kid so I just naturally grew up with love and admiration for the police and I always thought it's a thankless job, such a horrible hard job but now I look at the way the institution's been captured like a lot of institutions in Britain it's scary This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work?

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1:02:47Just like people count on you. Firestone. Always dependable. Since 1900. I'm on such the same page with you, with the police. See, when I was younger, I knew where I stood with them, at least. if I messed around, broke the law, took the piss, could even get a trunction around the back of the legs. I've got no problem with that because I didn't do it again or they'll come to your parents' house. When I got a little bit older, I was quite often in trouble with the police because I was quite fiery. Never a criminal, but I got into a fair few fisticuffs and I've worked the door for years, so I've had a lot of experience with them where maybe I've gone in like a bull in a china shop.

1:03:26And even when the police have been against me, I've thought to myself, well, they're kind of justified. I pushed the envelope there. So I've always known where I've stood with the police. Therefore, I've not really had much against them. Now I don't know where I stand with the police. Now I can't trust them. How can you? I'd much rather than be arseholes, but I know they're arseholes, rather than be wolf in sheep's clothing, sneaky, double standards, two-tier. I think the police force is a political force and a police service. So for me, I've lost complete faith. in them, if I'm completely honest.

1:04:04I'm just wondering if anybody... It'd be interesting what people say in the comments. I think lots of people would agree with you. I think, like the police, I think it's the same education. They've been completely captured and they've been taken over by people who are just not serving. They're not... The whole point of police rights is to enforce law. That should be the number one motto, but it's not anymore. And same with education, it should be to educate the children that are there. Instead of that, there's other things that are going ahead of that, And I think that's where your lack of trust comes in and my lack of trust comes in with both those institutions because they're not doing what they're supposed to do.

1:04:37They've been so captured by political ideologies that they don't serve the best purpose of what they should be doing. No, I totally agree. Tell people now where they can find you. What are your main social media platforms? I know your YouTube's growing nicely, so we'll put all the links in the description. But where can people find you before I ask you one more question? So on my YouTube channel, it's Rational Voices. with Sunil. You can just type in YouTube and then on XN Instagram, it's Sunil Sharma UK. And the final question is, mate, because I think you've been such a good guest. Thank you.

1:05:08Pitch what you do, who you are, what you talk about, why people should sign up to your channel and follow you. Thank you. You won't get many hosts let you do that. Yeah, thank you. Because I could lose subs here. No, thank you. Yeah, so my podcast is Rational Voices with Sunil. How do you try and have unfiltered conversations in long format? We try really deep dive, for example, some of the stuff that's going on in the UK, in particular, let's say the LGBTQ plus minus, whatever it is now, community and how that's gone into schools. And so we're doing a real deep dive on that at the moment, tackling why wokeism still exists and where it came from.

1:05:49And so we're wary of what happens in the future. And I do think we are going past peak woke, but still there is a lot to be done. So just really trying to have as many honest and unfiltered conversations. Sometimes it feels, as I mentioned earlier here, that being non-white, it's a bit easier to have these conversations when that should not be the case. So, yeah, just trying to have a really broad depth of conversations generally around issues in the UK. Lovely. Well, give Sunil a follow on his platforms. He was kind enough to come on, show him some support and me. A lot of you watch this week in, week out, and you forget to like and subscribe.

1:06:27This is free content. All you've got to do is hit a button. If you can do that for me, I'll keep doing this for you. And Sunil, thoroughly enjoyed that. I'd imagine you'll be back again. But until then, good health and stay safe. Thank you. Cheers, brother. Thanks a lot.

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