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23:35A lot of these clips were on Telegram. There was access to these. So these people that hate us because they come from, you know, that part of the world that they're, you know, Iran, in your curriculum, whether it's maths or English or science, included in there is how you must hate the West. And they want to destroy people in the West. They don't like that. They bring their culture with them. They don't come here to take ours on board and embrace it. So when I see people protesting against people protesting against the fear of their future, oh, it infuriates me. It saddens me and it infuriates me.

24:10It's like we've got to get past you, liberal maniacs, before we can actually deal with the real threat. Bust in. They're never locals, are they? No. That's the hilarious thing. They're never locals. They've all been bust in from some paid stand-up to racism, campaign groups. They've all got paid for placards. They don't care about the local people there. They think the local people who are protesting against them are racist, are far right. That's what they think. That's the slander they throw out everyone or smear everyone with. And then there's a bunch of lads who always come, last minute, masked up, ready to cause a fight.

24:43And then the riot breaks out. And then guess who's smeared with it all? It's the local people. And that's the justification then for shutting these hotels down, right? For shutting the process down outside the hotels. Like Bell Hotel and Epping, I think, had a curfew on it at some point in time. So, you know, you're now told if you want to protest by the establishment, by the media elite, you should organise a mass demonstration in central London. Well, actually, this is a local issue. why can't British people go and campaign outside a migrant hotel for potential rape of children, potential sexual assaults hypothetically whenever it's happening, which it has happened up and down the country it's wrong, it's completely wrong and it's very dangerous because they want freedom of speech just as long as they can have it and you can't, because if you have freedom of speech, all of a sudden oh they might be getting a message out, we've got to counter that, we've got to make sure we're there Stand Up To Racism is going to get a busload of people in to make sure they can call you a racist so everyone can see it Yeah, I hope this changes soon.

25:38Funnily enough, this is going to air on Sunday and the day before the Saturday. So by the time people are watching this, I would have been to Cobra, where the army barracks are going to house 600 illegal migrant, predominantly men, in a small town of a population of 20 ,000 people. So if you imagine half of them are men, and out of those 10 ,000 people, how many are going to be children? So you could be walking around one in 10 people being an illegal migrant man. You've got whole entire towns that have just been taken over. They have been completely taken. Imagine there's a village. I can't remember where it is.

26:14Somewhere maybe in Greater Manchester. And that village now is out, is 50-50 local natives and migrants. So every other person is an illegal migrant there. You can't imagine how terrifying that must be. It is absolutely insane we've allowed this to happen in Britain. We've got more people who've crossed the channel than we sent on D-Day to fight the Nazis, right? Again, how many more bombshell stats do people need to hear before you go, yeah, this is too much. This is looking like a bit of an invasion to me. Because that's how I feel. It feels like an invasion. It's baffling to me. These people will never contribute.

26:55They'll never contribute culturally. They'll never contribute economically. They are a net drain on everything in this country. They divide us. They make our lives harder. They are dangerous. And yet we're still allowing it to happen. Why? People have got to ask, why is this still happening? What is the purpose behind all of this? What do you think it will take before people, when I say people, I mean everyone says enough. Because I fear the worst. I really mean that. And I don't want to scare among the people that tune into this channel. I want people to learn, enjoy some of the conversations, but also be mindful of what's going on out there.

27:32I think something really, really bad is going to happen. I think there's going to be an orchestrated attack because amongst these migrants, don't kid yourself, there's not plenty of Islamists in there that read from the Al-Qaeda script. And I think that there'll be an orchestrated attack and they'll even be coming for you in your home, your churches or your schools. That's my concern. I think you're totally right to feel that concern. And if we look at the, we had this massive Afghan program where we basically brought, well, tens of thousands at least. I don't know how many there are now. I can't quite remember the number.

28:05It could be in the hundreds of thousands of Afghans to this country post-war because of this massive data leak. Oh, just so happens someone sent an email with everyone's names. Oh, what a shame. We've got to import now tens of thousands of Afghans into the country because supposedly they all supported us during the war, which I don't believe for a second, by the way. How many of those men are possibly Taliban related? That's the question. I'm not saying I know because I don't. None of them might be, for all I know. But how can we even verify that, right? Even if one of them is, that is a threat to life in this country, right?

28:34So it's not just the illegal migrants. It's all the other programs. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of people over the course of the years that have come here, and it just takes a handful of them to be dangerous. Look at the 7-7 bombings, right? It was just a handful of men. It was a few men. And look at the chaos, right? So it should terrify people. We just found out front page of newspapers the other day, hundreds of men in this country that have come here legally, legally are rapists, murderers and worse. In some cases, they've come into Britain legally and our system didn't know that.

29:09Right. So if that's the legal system, how bad is the illegal system? Exactly that. Come on, guys. Wake up and smell the coffee. You know, the likes of Narendra Kawa on X. Yeah. Just every bit of logic, every bit of common sense that said. It's not common sense to them. It's challenged with nonsense. It is. It's ideological. It is. If you don't like these people coming here, you're a racist. And even when you say to them, well, look at these crimes, look at the litany of crimes. On my show, I read out, I think it was 27 names of people who've been murdered by illegal migrants. 27 names. And there was more to come because, of course, there's active cases and we'll wait to see.

29:46I can't legally say anything about those cases, but there'll be more, right? It seems likely at least. it's ideological to these lefties. They'll go, oh, that's just one bad person. There's bad British people too. Oh, that's their argument. It's like, oh, but there's white people. It's like the same with the grooming gangs, right? The rape gangs. Oh, there's white English people that do it. So what? They're our problem. And we don't like them either. We don't like them either. I bring back the death penalty for those people. I would bring back the death penalty tomorrow, right? As a deterrent and to show them we don't accept that in this country.

30:18But the people that come here illegally are not our problem. They should be deported. And if you're a foreign criminal, deported, right? Why are we paying for these people to have a cosy life? We saw that Madapasa guy, the guy who threatened Nigel Farage the other day, the one who did all the gun signs. Making videos from prison now. It's a joke. I don't think he's taking our legal system too seriously, old Madapasa, has he? I wonder if our legal system's taking him seriously. That's the other thing, right? He should be punished, right? I would just deport him back to Afghanistan straight away.

30:46I would take the DNA of these people if they ever come close to Britain again and they step back in here, serious, hardcore punishment. But the legal system, the prison system is bankrupt in this country. The legal system is, I think, morally broken. It favours, as we saw the sentencing council, trying to bring out these rules. Basically said, if you're a white male Christian who's straight, you would have a harsher time under the law than anyone else in the country, including particularly people who've come to this country illegally, you get a lesser sentence. That was the kind of shit they were up to.

31:22Yeah. Now we've put the world to rights. I'm just thinking the volume of people that tune into your show. Yeah. Every show. Yeah. And they don't know, they probably don't know a great deal about you. The fact you come from a working class background, you was indoctrinated at university. You've got an interesting past. Why you chose the path that you did. So let's shift it onto you. Some audience can get, and me. I'm excited to find out more about you. So tell me about your background. What led you into journalism? What landed you on GB News? And I want to know what they taught you at university, because you had socialist beliefs at one stage, didn't you?

31:55Yeah, I did. My indoctrination started at college. But before that, a little bit of background, because I think it's important to sort of give people the reasons as to why. My mum was a single mother, twins, quite young. She was only 22, I believe, in northwest London, in a not very nice part of northwest London. I mean, Harrow has got worse and worse. It wasn't great back then. It's worse now than it has been, unfortunately. but that's the same everywhere in London. And my grandmother had MS, so she was in a wheelchair, couldn't move, couldn't really help. So we didn't have any help, you know.

32:28My dad wasn't around at that point. My grandfather wasn't around at that point. So my mum was my be-all, you know, she was everything. And I do have a good relationship with my dad now, by the way. I mean, he's a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant bloke, but not at that time in my life. And so I think when I was growing up, we relied on the kindness of strangers. We had a family, the Prince family, who were my nan's, but essentially the woman who used to look after my nan took me and my brother in when my mum needed a break and their family adopted us a little bit as well and they're part of my family now.

33:00And all very working class. One Christmas, we've got the VHS tapes. My grandma, I call her my grandma, she's my adopted grandma. She showed me the pictures of it and you see there's a half-cut Christmas tree just the top of it, you know. That's how poor they were and they still looked after us, incredible people. And those days, you know, when you were working class, you were Labour, right? That was how it was, because Labour was supposed to represent the working people of the country. So I was always, in some way, around working class. People always believed that everyone else was sort of evil and greedy, you know?

33:34So that was the basic. I mean, my family's not political at all, right? None of them are political. So I sort of was going through school and stuff going, oh, why are we poor? Why is everyone else, some other kids, wealthy? And so I didn't really understand that. When I got to college, sort of those views reinforced onto me by my school, really reinforced, taught things about like, you know, unfairness, injustice, how, you know, working class people will always be working class and you can't break out of it. It was this indoctrination. And I remember sitting next to this girl who was a communist, a proper, proper communist.

34:09I wonder if she'll ever see this video, it'll be really interesting. And she had this pamphlet, this book. And she was like bringing me, every week she'd bring me for our politics class a new bit about communism. And it talks about how beautiful it is, how we all come together. And so I started really fostering these beliefs. I got to university and felt the same way. I actually even went and worked for the Labour Party. That was one of my first ever jobs because I believed Labour was for the working people. It was only when I started working for the Labour Party. Someone's going to snip that.

34:40Yeah, I hope they do. I hope they do, mate. I hope they do. I'm very honest and open about it because I think we all need to talk about it because I think I've got a unique insight into the lefties that no one else has got. Right. Definitely. I've seen the Fabian Society. I've been to their meetings. I've seen I never was a member, but I've seen it all. You know, I've seen the back end of it. And I think it's really revealing. Yeah. And it really helps me now understand their mindset. And so it gives me a unique perspective on it. I worked for the Labour Party. I worked for the Shadow Secretary of State for Transport.

35:10I was quite a young lad. So it was a really good job to have had. Now, don't get me wrong, because it really started my career. But at the same time, I started to see questioning things. As soon as you question things, the answer always comes back with an ideological answer. Well, we have to do this in order to get to the end result of this. So communism and socialism and the left, it's all about stages. They don't just come in and go, tomorrow we're going to be communist. It's about taking you there slowly. How do we make sure the economic system, and China's doing a great job of this, by the way.

35:41No one recognizes that China is still a communist country. It's got a long-term plan for communism. How do you slowly bankrupt the country? This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at chatgpt.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro Plans.

36:19I'm Glenn Washington, host of Snap Judgment, the award-winning storytelling podcast from KQED. Every week, Snap deals a new card, like the girl whose sister was a monkey, or the man who lived in the woods for 30 years, or even the woman who snuck her lover out of prison in a dog crate. Pick a card. Any card. Tap the listen now to Snap Judgment from KQED on Spotify. Before we go any further, you see what you just said about, you said China, they're doing a great job of socialism and they're bankrupting the country. Can I ask you to do that in a Donald Trump impression? China, did you know about China?

37:04They're going to bankrupt the country. They're terrible people. but Xi Jinping great guy huge huge fan actually it's a little bit better in the evening so I've had a couple of drinks but we'll do one at the pub at some point Liam had to get in there I love doing my little Trump impression fantastic actually Liam but yeah China is China is doing this communist stuff quite seriously and it's and it's got it's a dictatorship so it's got it can go on for as long as they want it to we've got no chance against that stopping that so communism is all about stages I got indoctrinated into it basically and it was only thanks to some people around me and I was very open to debate I like hearing alternative perspectives I think it broadens your mind and I'm not someone who will shut someone down because I disagree with them and I had people on the right talk to me and slowly started paying taxes going to work and I was like fuck this you know so I've got to work for free now for the government for a little while you joking and then once you do that I started to change and then I think I became more and more right-wing with my opinions.

38:09I was always middle ground, I would have thought, sort of person, but I think that the ground has shifted. I think the middle ground where what people would call us far right and right-wing is just where most people sit now, right? So I don't think there's anything extreme about any of us. I don't believe that we should have people flooding the country. I don't believe we should be taxing people out of their backside so they can't enjoy their own money more because when we're 101 % GDP to debt ratio, right? At what point do you go, my public services are definitely getting better. I'm paying more taxes.

38:40They're not. It's worse. So anyway, so I brought myself out of it. I grew up working class and obviously I'm not so working class anymore because I ain't good money now. I don't want to, I don't try and cosplay as a working class person. I just am who I am today. But I do understand, I've lived on beans on toast for a week. You know, my family suffered. We've had, my mum, bless us, God bless her. They don't own homes, you know? I understand that struggle. I really do. And I still don't own a property. I want to get onto the housing market at some point. It is fucking hard. It is fucking hard. And I feel this whole generation of young people has been totally screwed.

39:17Totally screwed ideologically. And that's why you see them turning to socialism and communism, because the country's failed them. And they want answers, Liam. They want to know why they keep working. And every time they work, it doesn't get them any step closer So they get taxed more. The law is used against them. They can't speak up. They feel trapped. And it's pushing these kids. I'm telling you, if you think us not are far right, you speak to some of the young kids in this country, you think it's bad now, what's to come will be far worse if we don't solve this crisis. So are you seeing that with the younger generations that they're moving more and more towards the right?

39:51Oh, my God, yeah. They are far more right-wing than we could even possibly be called, Liam. That's interesting because from my research on universities, they're kind of like left-wing socialist indoctrination camps. So people are now pushing back against that. The amount of young men and women I speak to who hold, I would say, quite extreme right-wing views. Right. Extreme right-wing views is phenomenal. It's a phenomena, should I say. It's a lot of them. But on the same hand, you have got a lot of kids that hold extreme left-wing views. There's this, the ground that we all sit in now that we all think is far left, far right.

40:30It's nothing. It's nothing. You've got to hear some of their views. Nick Fuentes in America, big commentator. He is really their sort of spirit animal for all these things. You see some of these young kids out on the streets now going to some of the protests, the right wing kids. They are going to lead the conversation unless we do something. And I don't blame them. They're so fed up. They don't believe anybody. They don't trust any political party. And so I think we've got a crisis coming. Yeah, that's a good point, actually. I think a lot of people are probably depressed and they don't realise it because it's now become the norm.

41:04I think there's going to be a lot of relationships, a lot of marriages falling apart, and they're not knowing really what's caused it. You know, the communication breakdown, it's information overload, and just everyone's disagreeing and they're fighting their own little fight in their head. And it's ruining communities. This generation, this young generation, I'm talking like up to the age of 25. I'm 34. So I think the last generation who grew up without being vehemently online, like grew up without social media for a good 14 to 15 years of my life, where Facebook was only just a big thing when I was about 15, 16.

41:37So even then it wasn't massive. You didn't have smartphones and all that to carry around with all the time. These kids now grow up online all the time, and their algorithms feed them the thing that is the most extreme and most sensational. So they're becoming on, wherever you land on that spectrum, you're becoming more and more further. The algorithm just takes you further and further away. So we've lost, not only do they not have sex, these kids, the sex rate is down massively. So we've got population crisis now. How bad is it going to be in 20 years? They don't have sex. They hold quite extreme views on the right, the left.

42:14The young Islamist group are becoming more extreme. The young left-wing group becoming more extreme. The young right-wing group are becoming more extreme. So this is civil war territory. That's what that is. You look at them when they grow up 34, 40, 50. If the system doesn't start rewarding their hard work, they go, fuck it. I'm going to get rid of that other lot over there. They're taking all my money. That's how civil wars start. And I don't want to sound sensationalist, but we need governments to start waking up and understanding because they are constantly, people are told you're going to get change.

42:47And what do you get? You get exactly the same thing every time. You want lower taxes, you get more. You want less immigration, you get more. Why? Yeah. That is a huge problem. If the democracy doesn't work, democracy will not continue. That's it. And young people don't believe in democracy. What do I need to know about the Fabian Society? Because I hear this word, and the logo is a wolf in sheep's clothing, isn't it? It is. Yeah. So what is the Fabian Society? Yeah, really interesting. It's a socialist group, and it's a part of the Labour Party. Is it a Masonic type? No, I wouldn't say it's Masonic.

43:20I mean I know Freemasons and it's actually they're just a bunch of lads really do some funny handshakes it's an old boys club really isn't it just to get away from the wives for a few hours to go out drinking someone like David Ike would disagree I'm sure he would but having met so many Freemasons now I just don't believe in that and they don't come up with any policies or politics they're just a group of lads who chat around at the dinner table it's kind of silly really Fabians however do come up with policies right Right. And this is the difference. I'm not afraid of old blokes having a pint at a dinner table, dressed nice and fancy, having silly little handshakes for a laugh.

43:59I'm worried about young, ideological, radical socialists who sit round a table and go, we're going to write some policies. Oh, oh, we've got an MP who used to be a Fabian. Let's go give that to him. Oh, he's the secretary of state. Oh, let's start implementing some of those policies that we liked. Right. That's what's happening. There's a few of them. I think there's a few MPs and ministers who used to be Fabians, who were part of the Fabians when they were younger, who are now in government. And you can see that through the socialist policies. Cool. Wait till you see the curriculum they're going to put out.

44:29So the Fabian Society is a socialist think tank. Inside the Labour Party, and it writes policy ideas to be adopted into government, to be run by you. That's what they want, right? And now the first time I think really, they think under Blair all this stuff sort of went away but now it's taken really seriously I mean when I was an active member of the Labour Party and working for them the Fabians were actively trying to recruit me to join them actively going round all the MP staffers actively trying to recruit people so you'd be a member of a union you'd be a member of the Fabian Society and you're part of that little family you can't escape So how come you got into journalism and GB News is where you've landed like why not Sky News why not the BBC Why not somebody else?

45:13How did this all happen? I've got some interesting stories about the BBC. Oh, give them to me. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, I'm forever grateful. GB News have given me an opportunity that I never, ever would have had. There is no way on this planet that the BBC and Sky or anyone else would have ever taken me up. So basically, because of my time in politics, when I was younger, I did TV and some media while I was younger. Please don't Google it. I don't think there's anywhere to be found. It was just some short clips when I was young. They were asking me about young people in politics. I think I did a few hits on that.

45:49Obviously, because I knew politicians and I stayed, I disappeared and didn't do it for 10 years because I was so fed up. I changed politically. I was homeless politically. And so I didn't do politics for a while. And then it was only the last few years where I was like, do you know what? Fuck this. I can't stay silent any longer. This country is crumbling. is crumbling. Brexit really sort of brought me back. I was very, very, very adamant we needed to leave the European Union and get away from that bureaucracy. And that's where I started to write more, do more. I did a couple of video interviews with my friends who had podcasts and then Talk TV brought me on to do some commentary on some of the politics that was happening.

46:34And then from there, GB News were like, I think they must have watched me and seen me or someone, one of the producers or booking people saw me. And then that's how it started. And then so I was a commentator on GB News for, I think for probably about 18 to 24 months before I started hosting shows when some of the presenters were away. And then that's led to me, obviously now, very grateful to have and do my own thing there as well and host a couple of shows on GB News. I don't have any ambitions to be a media superstar. I do this because I love this country and I'm fucking so fed up with it. I'm so fed up with where we are.

47:13I was making really good money doing technology and having a corporate business, mate. I didn't have to do any of this, but I could see where we're going. I've got four younger brothers whose lives are going to stagnate and fail and they all want to leave. They all want to leave Britain. And I think to myself, if I have kids, What am I raising them up to be, to live in? I love Britain. We are an incredible country. We have done more for this planet than any country on the face of the earth ever in history. We are slammed. We are told our culture is racist, white supremacist. Our flag is racist.

47:53So Guy Fawkes today, we're recording today. It's Guy Fawkes night, right? And it just made me think of this time where we're like, we've got to do something. If more British people stand up, trust me, I'd be making a fortune. I'd go off to do my tech career. I'd make a fortune. I'd shut up. I'd be able to fly to China, fly to any country I want without being stopped and searched 50 ,000 times, without people looking at me going, I hate you, without death threats. My life would be probably 50 times easier. I'm sure they're probably the same for you, Liam. However, there is a time when every British person needs to say, I've got a duty.

48:27That's why I do what I do. I feel morally obligated. I mean, I could have sailed off into the sunset and I could have built up my security business. As soon as I started speaking out, I started losing big contracts. I got filmed. I was put on ITV, BBC, Channel 4, just being at Armistice Day. On the Saturday come the Monday, I get emails from my biggest clients within the education system saying, we're going to keep the security in-house. My opinions have cost me money. And it's like, if you think that's going to shut me up, you're wrong. It's going to take 10, 15 years, I think. but if we do this now we won't regret it if we fight now for our country well actually this is the last chance this is it it's either fight now or it's gone Britain will not be the same there will not be enough British children to make the fight in 20, 30, 40 years so we've got to take control back now and that's what I think so many people are waking up now more than ever before but we have to do this now that's what brought me to do this nowhere near earning as much money as I used to.

49:28And trust me, as a working class kid, my mum was just like, screw all that politics, go and make money, go and get a home. But I know I've got to do this. It's in my blood. And people keep telling me, go and move abroad. I love this country. I will not leave this country until it's taken everything from me. I said that the other day on my Instagram stories. I'd done a little Q &A. I was in bed ill. And I thought, I never respond to DMs because I'm too busy. So I said, ask me anything you like. I need to do that. It's good. You can really interact with me. with your followers. And one of the questions was, you know, are you going to leave the UK?

49:59And I've made this decision anyway. For as long as we're in such a shit state, I'm staying. I'm staying to fight. And if we reach peace and the country's flourishing again, then maybe I will because I don't feel like I'll be needed anymore. So for as long as I'm needed, I'm staying. When you report on the news, it's very depressing. You get all the bad stories firsthand and you've got to repeat them and that goes in your subconscious. You can take it home. What I'm always curious, especially like a guy like you, that seems very well balanced, how do you not explode when you're reporting on, say, a Romanian migrant stabbing children?

50:35It's a really good question. There are days where I do feel quite depressed. You know, I look at the state of our country because I love this country so much. And I love my family. And I love the people in this country that I go, how has this happened? And I think there's an element of being desensitised to it now. Which is frightening. We broke the news about the huntings and stabbings, right, live on it on my show. And it was really sad because when I walked away from the show that night, I thought I should, I was fearful of getting on the train and I didn't like that feeling. No. But at the same time, I was like, I can't get to the emotion of that people might be dead.

51:20There could be, you know, handfuls of, thankfully so far, it doesn't look like anyone's died. But that wasn't coming through. And I thought, God, are we losing our humanity now? And that's worrying too. But look, you know, your job is to inform people. And if I break down, you don't hear the story. So it's my job to be composed and to read the news. As simple as that. and try and give you it. I give my opinion and it's one of the things I get to do. I'm very lucky. People know my opinions most of the time and not everyone's going to agree with me. But I will try and read you the news completely factually.

51:54It's breaking news. I will tell you it as it is. And if you hear my opinion on the back of it, you know where I stand. You might not agree with me. But I want to try and balance out. I try and always get alternative views. My show always has someone. I know people scream at me, DMs all the time. Get those lefties off your show. Well, one, we need to have them, right? I want people to remember this. We have to have them for legal reasons, for Ofcom, the Ofcommunists, as people have called them before. We have to have them on there. But at the same time, we should hear what they have to say. If you don't hear what they have to say, and then they are putting out policies, you don't know how to fight them, right?

52:31So people should know what they're thinking. I think it's very important. How do you get on with these lefties that you have on? Because when you've got to host your debates, you get a period of time. So you've got to keep it nice and tight. You know, let's call a spade a spade. We're seeing rapes, murders, an absolute rate of knots, theft, violence, you name it. Crime is off the Richter scale. And you'll get somebody on the left that will be a sympathiser or an apologist, or they'll make an excuse for a particular community that are particular within that field of crime. I mean, when the cameras are off, is it like, oh, down the pub then?

53:10or do you look at them and think, you fucking disgusting person. How dare you say that on air? You've got some front. This is the thing, right? They are human beings with an opinion. I don't do myself any service to what I do, to giving out the truth, to try and help people make their minds up about who they agree with by shouting and screaming at people because that's not how I'd want to be treated in the streets when people shout. People, I've had bloke in a full head scarf and come screaming in my face with a megaphone and looked like he was going to punch me. At one point, he was coming back.

53:43He came right up to there in my face when I was just asking questions. Why are you here today? Do you think your free speech is being curtailed? What do you think your kiss on? Those are all the questions I was asking. Oh, is this Trafalgar Square? This is Trafalgar Square. Oh, this is when you was out of the studio. Yeah, I was out of the studio for this one. And so I think about that environment and go, they obviously didn't want to communicate with me and that's fine. But shouldn't people hear it? and so when the cameras aren't rolling sometimes the debate will roll and we will shout and we will argue sometimes you'll see the guests sitting on both my sides will not be looking at each other will not shake each other's hands this is what I want to know yeah and it does happen it does happen however there is a point where you go everyone's here for a job we're all here to do something which is to give people an alternative perspective at what point do I do I disrespect them and throw them out for what they say or do I let the audience make their minds up about what they think about that person, what they think about that person's views.

54:40I had a debate with someone who was defending paedophiles, right? Defending the rights. Should I say they weren't defending people, they were defending the human rights of paedophiles. On air, I couldn't fucking believe it. I was gobsmacked, mate. I don't care about the bodily autonomy of paedophiles. I couldn't give a flying fuck about them, right? I want them, I was talking about castration, I was like, they should all be castrated. Yeah. I have no qualms saying that. I will say it again. And if I was ever in government, I'd do it. That person defending it, I work with quite regularly. And I just said, I was like, I'm really shocked.

55:18We had this debate and he carried on through the debate, the break. I was like, do you really think that? Or are you just saying it? And a lot of the time you realise some of them, some of them are just saying it for the clicks. And then some of them really believe it. but I think it's really good to identify the ones who really believe it because it shows you there are people who actually believe this crazy stuff. Yeah, hang them out to dry. Yeah, and my job is to be on air and expose them for that. I'll bring them back on because I think the more the public see these people exist, the more they get the truth about what's going on in our country.

55:50Obviously, I don't want to be any offence to the bloke I work with on that because he has his opinions and he believes them. And I don't want to take – I believe in people's free speech. Right. Big believer in that. We've seen people arrested for free speech in this country and banged up. I don't want him arrested for saying it. I just want the audience to make their mind up about who they agree with, me or him. And also you want the public to see this man for exactly who he is, because that ideology in its own right is extremely dangerous. I think so. It's sick and perverse. And how anybody could defend that is beyond my wildest imagination.

56:27I think it's nuts. But, you know, that is a point of view people hold. And so my job is not to shout them out of the studio. My job is to expose that point of view. Yeah, I'm the same. I often get, I can't believe you're platforming that person. I mean, I can list the people off. I've got absolute hate for platforming. I didn't build a podcast to sit in an echo chamber. And people that I disagree with, like what they do, stand for, think and behave. I want to know why. What has got you to this crossroads here? How have you arrived at this junction? Because where you're at now is fucking wild to most people.

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57:45Slap me. Let's draw something loose. Ay, yes! I like that. The certified fresh series returns. Your boss. You always like this? Or is this just an, oh no, this is mad. Oysters, everybody! There's a certain satisfaction when you work with someone. Maybe we could be a family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th, only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to laugh. Well, that's it, right? That's it. And I think, listen, that's why we mustn't ever have an echo chamber. Because we will lose. We will lose so fast, right? We need to be challenged. We'll figure out. Maybe some of us have got bad ideas, right?

58:23I don't think I'm always right. I often look at something I've done and go, say, well, I got that wrong. And I'm very happy to say that when I'm wrong. You and me both. It's okay to change your mind. It's okay to learn something new and go, oh, okay, that's changed my mind. That is a superpower, not a weakness. We've got to stop thinking that's a weakness. We should be able to change our minds when we learn new things. Oh, mate. People that tune into me regularly will think, this is what Liam says. It's so nice. Oh, good. I'm pleased to hear that. It's so nice hearing somebody else that. If you're presented with new information and evidence, it's okay to change your mind and it's even better and bigger to apologise not that I want to bend over backwards for people but if I'm wrong I'm wrong it's normal it's human to be wrong we're not gods we're humans like people watching and so I think it's really really important that we find that it's the same people criticise me for working for the Labour Party for being a lefty at one point I'm like well not only now do I have a very unique perspective on how they operate and understand how they debate but I also am able to change my mind Churchill famously What did he say?

59:24If you're not a socialist, when you're younger, you're heartless. And if you're not a conservative, when you're older, you're brainless. So I love that quote. Yeah. Is this right? It's bang on the money. It's bang on the money. Socialism is very attractive to young people. But when you're older, yeah, okay. Right. I think time to drop the nonsense. Yeah. What's been the toughest moment for you as a journalist? Anything that's affected your mental health? Something that's stuck with you forever? Well, the death threats are quite severe sometimes. I get them quite often now. I get them quite often.

59:48and there's people who, you know, can be quite specific about what they're going to do to you. And so there are times when I'm alone, especially my home alone, and I'm like, someone could just go bursting through my back door right now and kill me. If someone worked hard enough, they could figure out where I lived. I'm sure of it. Not that I don't really put it online or anything like that. That's not a nice feeling to know that you're just here giving your opinion. No one has to listen to what I have to say. You can switch off. I'll be gone if you switch off right but that just using my freedom of speech is that's worrying that's scary I think when you're reporting on stories about politicians and powerful people you can be quite a worry and because you just don't never know how powerful these people are do you that's the problem how far will they go how far how much do they dislike you and of course there's people out there listen I don't want to cosplay as an investigative journalist I'm not right But there's great people out there who do really dangerous work, who are killed for it.

1:00:52There are journalists who are killed around the world for exposing things or being close to exposing them. So it's not a carefree job. Well, you think how dangerous the work Tommy Robinson does. I mean, look at some of the work, some of the genius he's pulled out the bag. All his documentaries that no one saw. Even when he didn't have a platform, he kept making these documentaries. and now he's been able to platform again. YouTube, they keep him up. Elon Musk has been a lifeline for him. Elon Musk changed the game for everybody. I genuinely believe, and listen, again, you don't have to agree with Elon Musk about everything.

1:01:28I really like Elon Musk, person. I really do. I don't think he's always right, but I think I agree with 99 % of his opinions on things. Without that man, there'd be no free speech. He'd be gone. He has changed the game. He only helped Donald Trump win, which killed the woke virus that was contaminating the West so quickly. But he kept X, changed Twitter to X, which has been one of the best things that ever happened. He's forced Mark Zuckerberg to go back on his clampdown, working with the FBI to censor people. And of course, people like Tommy Robinson would never have social media now. He'd be off.

1:02:02He would be completely censored. Mark my words about Elon Musk. Well, here's a question for you. Based on the availability you had on Tommy Robinson compared to what the media would print about him. Have you ever had a negative opinion on him? And has it shifted since? Yeah. You reported on the United Kingdom rally. I did. Yeah, I actually, I was really happy to go to that rally. I mean, not only are the people there, just absolutely brilliant people. I'll tell you this, because this doesn't get reported on in the news. This is why it's so important, right? I was there with a camera. It's me and a camera guy.

1:02:33And there's this, you're talking a couple of driven from Cornwall for the day, right? This is incredible stuff. What a middle class, middle to upper class couple driven from Cornwall for the day to be there for that weekend. This is the scale of people, right? And what really, really annoys me about that is the media saying it was 100 ,000 people and the police saying it was like, there was no way it was just 100 ,000 people. No way. There needs to be tickers next time to count those rallies. That's what needs to be done to make sure there's some factual reporting on that. My opinion of Tommy Robinson has changed.

1:03:08I don't agree with everything I don't always agree with everything Tommy Robinson does I don't think he's an angel either right but I was one of those people who got brought up in a generation where Tommy Robinson was the most evil person in Britain how that has shifted is incredible he was so right about the Pakistani rape gangs oh my god the only man talking about it right and he was called a racist for it right he was right he was right But no matter what you think of him, there's got to be a point where people go, do you know what? We need to apologise for that. I wasn't in broadcast media or I never even had a word to say about him at the time, but I knew about it.

1:03:50The change I've seen, the shift in that is incredible. I also think he's changed as well. I read some of his book. I can't remember which book it was, but he writes in a really chronological way. He writes about his whole life. And it's really interesting. seeing that because you see how he was shaped as a kid. His experiences with the rape gangs, with being attacked, with sectarianism, with Islamism. So again, growing up where he did, it was inevitable there was always going to be a Tommy Robinson, whether it was him or someone else. It's always that. He was always going to exist in some way.

1:04:28Do you know what I mean? It's always going to be something. He's the first to say the establishment created me. It is their fault. Tommy Robinson in an ideal world in a better Britain wouldn't exist you know not that he as a person wouldn't exist but what he's become wouldn't exist and I think maybe he would like that to have not been the case that he didn't I would like actually not to have to do broadcast media and I could go off and make fortunes doing my tech career and live a happy life buy a house and you know do whatever I want but here we are and the people like Tommy Robinson exist because the establishment failed us and they then covered it up and then they censored us.

1:05:06All right. And then we went, not having that, not having that. This happened, whether you think it didn't or not, Pakistani red gangs are real. And he stood by his ground on that. And I've got respect for Tommy Robinson for doing that. Do you think that it's only a matter of time before Tom is invited on the GB News panel in the studio? I don't understand. I'm so low grade. Like I'm one of the lowest, newest presenters in the channel, right? I don't get, I'm not like, you know, one of the big boys there, unfortunately. So I don't know. I don't get involved in all the discussions. You are in my eyes.

1:05:38I know. Thank you, Liam. I appreciate that. So I don't get involved in all the discussions around, like, who comes on, who doesn't come on. Like, I have a show. I say what I say on the show. Everything else is booked. We have bookers who go and do all the work, and they're amazing at what they do. They find some great guests on. But I don't have a say in that. I don't always pick who comes on my show. And so there's a lot of the time, if there's something controversial, sometimes we will. But also I think there is the way our media system is set up in the UK is it's controlled by the government.

1:06:08It's controlled by Ofcom. And people need to remember that. If you subscribe to Ofcom, then you have to play by the rules. And it's the same way that people forget the BBC is a government-sponsored and run broadcaster, right? It is a broadcast media for the government. Ofcom is a regulator for the government. If Ofcom don't like what you're doing, they will shut you down. If you have people on they don't want to have on, they will end up shutting you down. Because it's a government, it's a political organisation, right? Anything that's run by the government is politics. Does Nigel Farage have much say as to what happens with GB News?

1:06:48Not that I'm aware of. Is that a misconception? It's a misconception. I'm in the Paddington. We have offices in Paddington and Westminster. And Paddington is where everyone is, right? and I don't see him there. So if he's making decisions, I don't know where he's making them from, right? So I've never seen Nigel Farage interfered. He's never mentioned in my calls unless we're talking about him for a show. So the only time I bumped into Nigel Farage is prior to his show when I was covering for someone in Westminster. And I have to say, when I speak to Nigel Farage, great man to talk to. You will definitely want to go out for a pint with Nigel Farage.

1:07:25You definitely would. And I've met former prime ministers before. He by far is the one person I would know at least has some common sense that the average person has. I couldn't say the same for the rest of them, I have to admit. I have to say, everyone I've spoke to that have actually met him, they do say nice things about him. I'm just disappointed about some of the things he's done that I won't get into. Did you ever meet Boris? I did, yeah. How did you get on with Boris? He's interesting. I find him fascinating. Yeah, as a personality, he is absolutely fascinating. I used to really like Boris Johnson.

1:08:00I was a big fan. And again, I've changed so much from learning through watching politicians. Bit too weak, wasn't he? Useless. Shopping trolley of a person. One minute here, one minute there. He had no backbone. Those lockdowns shouldn't have happened. That was a disaster for our country. He was led up different alleyways by whoever told him the latest bit of information. Brexit was a disaster. I wanted Brexit to happen, by the way. but the way we've done Brexit has not worked for this country at all it's completely failed so far because we haven't done Brexit at all we're just a bitch to the European Union now we're just copying all that they do what's the point right Boris Johnson if he ever comes back well he mustn't ever be allowed in the politics again mate net zero stick to your columns yeah do your newspaper review I'm so disappointed yeah I thought it was going to be I thought it was going to be the start of the change all we got was one of the worst prime ministers I've ever seen.

1:08:56Before I ask you the final question, which I want the audience to join in on. Yeah. Very, very upbeat, chirpy, positive ending. Good. But where can my audience find you? Because not just GB News, you've got your own platforms as well, haven't you? Yeah, I do. And I'll put the links in the description. Yeah, thanks, Liam. Yeah, so I do try and do my own content as well on Instagram. So I do some video content. I'm trying to do more of it. At Alex H Armstrong on Instagram and Twitter. So you can find me on there. that's why I do most of the stuff I don't do TikTok too much anymore because of the Chinese communist pie every time you say I just want you to say China again China China do you want to do the China China buddy

1:09:36I need some more pints to do that impression I guess this gets more and more wild it's brilliant we're going to have to go out for a drink yeah absolutely we'll do it we'll do it it'll be fun but yeah mostly Twitter or X should I say and Instagram that's why I do most of my stuff okay right So the final question, and this is for everybody. Don't forget to like and subscribe to this channel because I bring conversations that the mainstream just will refuse to do. And we can swear and stuff on it. It's very laid back and easy going. But this is the upbeat, positive, chirpy final question. Who do you fucking hate the most?

1:10:10And you watching and listening on Spotify. Keir Starmer, Prince Andrew, or Sadiq Khan, and why? Oh, that's so hard, mate. I know. That's one of the toughest questions. Unfortunately, out of the three of them, the one I don't dislike the most is Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor. I don't like the bloke at all, trust me. But of the three of them, he's probably the one I would be more preferable to than the other two because I think the other two are destroying the country. This is a good start. This is a process of elimination. I'm eliminating one. I'm eliminating one.

1:10:48I dislike... Do you know what? I'm going to be a bit controversial. I'm going to say I dislike Sadiq Khan more than Keir Starmer. I'm going to tell you why. One, I'm a Londoner. So it's my home that I feel he's destroyed. So I have a personal vendetta, making sure that what's going on in London is exposed. Keir Starmer is destroying the country, but he's only doing it the same way that Rishi Sunak, Boris Johnson and all the others did before him. He's just the same. He's a robot, right? Sadiq Khan, I think, has ideological motivations. I think he prioritises certain groups of people over others.

1:11:23I think he is divisive. I think he's smug. I think he doesn't take seriously some of the biggest crisis in our country. I think he's the most disgusting of the loss of them. That's my opinion. I hate him the most out of all of them. Of course, you know, Kia Starmer, not many good things to say about him, but I don't think anyone does. But, you know, he'll be gone soon. Yeah, Sadiq Khan is a very smarmy, unlikable, unpalatable man. That's what I think. I'm sure he probably thinks the same about me, Liam. But his opinion don't matter. Not to me, it doesn't. And I'm sure he'll go, well, Alex Armstrong's opinion of me doesn't matter either.

1:11:59And I think, well, that's fine. But that's politics for you, isn't it? I'm sure the people on the left, like him, don't like me as much as I don't like them. If he does something good, I'll still... If he ever does something good, I will praise him for it, right? I just want him to do one good thing. for London, right? Get the police back on the streets. Stop faffing around, spending all our money. That's all we asked for. I was going to say resign. Oh, that would be nice. But who's going to come next? That's the problem. That is the problem. That's the question. I always say, who's worse? Who's behind the doors?

1:12:28Those that have got the Green Party lurking back there, got your party. So be careful what you wish for sometimes. And if anyone's curious as to what my answer to that question is, it's all three of them and they're all fucking scum. So that was a better answer, wasn't it? I've really enjoyed that, man. That was great fun. Thank you, Liam. We'll do it again. And we'll have to go out for a drink as well. Let's definitely do that. Get that Donald Trump impression on the guy. Yeah, oh, it's way better when I'm pissed as well. Cheers, brother. Thank you, Liam.

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