In short
GB News presenter Liam (Australian) and co-host debate the Henry Nowak killing and related UK justice failures, arguing “systemic” blame beyond the killer. They also discuss the Manchester Airport case involving two hung juries, police handling and selective release of footage, and broader claims about multiculturalism, DEI in policing, and civil unrest risk. They connect these to Australia/UK parallels in migration and politics.
Guests
Liam (GB News presenter; background in corporate management consulting; began podcasting during COVID in Australia; previously appeared on Sky News Australia; co-hosts “Saturday Five” on GB News). Co-host is Bill Simmons (host voice; appears to be the interviewer/partner in the conversation).
Key claims
Progressive politicians (Labor, Conservatives, “uni party”) created conditions for the atrocity; police were “indoctrinated” to prioritize minority protection; jury trials may be biased in multicultural societies; police control information release; withholding footage “gaslights” the public; UK justice/police are “failed” and could trigger unrest.
Notable examples
Henry Nowak police footage (handcuffing while he’s dying, “can’t breathe,” pale hands); Manchester Airport video and “head stomp” first released; Lammy limiting jury trials; Lee Wan Q ending jury trials in Singapore; Alison Pearson hate-incident saga; Ben Leo praised for confronting an American critic.
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Chapters
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0:30 to 1:04
Hear about the current issues surrounding the death of Henry Novak.
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Discussion on Henry Novak's Death
1:04 to 3:55
Explores the societal implications of Henry Novak's tragic death.
“I have paused and wondered in the last couple of weeks after that Manchester non-decision, I guess you'd call it, whether or not you can trust jury trials in increasingly multicultural society.”
Media's Role in Justice
3:55 to 4:50
Analyzes how media influences public perception and political action.
“In terms of what it says, A, and it's an important thing to say, the overwhelming blame goes with the monster who killed Henry Nova.”
Policing and Systemic Issues
4:50 to 7:10
Examines systemic failures in policing related to racial and cultural biases.
“but they created the conditions upon which this happened.”
Emotional Impact and Public Response
7:10 to 10:18
Discusses the emotional reaction to the footage of Henry Novak and its significance.
“I kind of get the feeling like, and it's the visceral response that you have to seeing footage, which is quite different to even the rape gangs, which is, again, unspeakably awful.”
Reflecting on Jury Trials and Justice
10:18 to 14:01
Contemplates the reliability of jury trials in a multicultural society.
“But there's been so much in the past, and I've thought this so many times.”
Trust in Jury Trials Amid Multiculturalism
14:01 to 20:32
Exploring the impact of multiculturalism on the trust and effectiveness of jury trials.
“We've already given too much away in order, I think, to give yet more away again.”
The Role of Police and Public Perception
20:32 to 21:08
Discussing the perceived failures of the police and its impact on public trust.
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Fear of Police and Expression of Dissent
21:08 to 24:38
Examining the fear of police repercussions for expressing dissenting opinions.
“And I think it wasn't politically correct to even call them a force at one stage because it made them seem too aggressive.”
Comparative Analysis of Australia and the UK
24:38 to 28:00
Analyzing social unrest and political trends in Australia versus the UK.
“I don't think there's the same two-tierism in Australia.”
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Political Alternatives in the UK and Australia
28:00 to 28:26
Explore the political shifts in the UK and Australia and the search for alternatives.
“For the exact same reasons, you had a Liberal Party that for over a decade in the 2010s was not conservative, let all of this lefty stuff happen.”
The State of UK Politics
28:56 to 29:49
Discussion on the current state of UK politics and the role of different parties.
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The Polarization of Political Discourse
29:49 to 31:48
Examine the increasing polarization in political discourse and its consequences.
“I think the egos and the personalities involved make that impossible.”
GB News and Free Speech
31:48 to 33:54
Analysis of GB News' role in the media landscape and its commitment to free speech.
“So GB News, it used to promote itself and set itself as a free speech platform.”
The Distortion of News Coverage
33:54 to 35:57
Discuss how certain critical stories are ignored by mainstream media.
“I think so much of the mainstream media does not report on things in a truthful way or alternatively just ignores topics because they want to try and protect a particular establishment narrative.”
The Journey to Becoming a GB News Presenter
35:57 to 41:16
Hear about the host's path to becoming a presenter at GB News.
“Obviously it is, you know, most of the presenters are, you know, more conservative in their learnings.”
Appreciation for English Culture
41:16 to 42:00
Discover the host's love for English culture and its historical significance.
“I love the culture of the Sunday pint at the pub.”
Cultural Heritage and Leftist Policies
42:00 to 43:38
Discussing the erosion of British cultural heritage and the impact of leftist policies.
“I saw a tweet from him and he basically said, the secret is you really don't give a shit what you say anymore when you know you're close to death, which is a typically acerbic John Cleese comment.”
Authoritarianism and the Left
43:38 to 45:45
Examining how modern authoritarianism and censorship are predominantly leftist.
“And we've got to fight back against that.”
Weakening of Masculinity
45:45 to 47:04
Analyzing the perceived decline of traditional masculinity in Western culture.
“They'll do the whole kind and compassionate rubbish.”
Impact of Modern Technology on Relationships
47:04 to 49:16
Discussing how dating apps and hybrid work environments affect interpersonal skills.
“Okay, so I've been noticing for a lot longer the, like, men weakening, like the warrior being drained out of the man.”
Political Corruption in Scotland
49:16 to 52:09
Exploring the corruption scandal involving Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP.
“and is it a wonder that, is it a surprise that there are less men of character than there once were?”
The Need for Honesty in Politics
52:09 to 56:00
Highlighting the public's demand for honesty and effective political representation.
“So when it comes to political parties, again, I'm still politically homeless.”
The Impact of Private vs Public Education
56:00 to 57:08
Explore the implications of private school funding on public education quality.
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The Impact of Private vs Public Education
57:40 to 1:01:46
Explore the implications of private school funding on public education quality.
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The Impact of Private vs Public Education
1:02:17 to 1:02:44
Explore the implications of private school funding on public education quality.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. An all-new season of the Hulu Original Series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Four years ago, we were just making TikToks.
0:39But it feels like there are no friendships left in mom talk. You act like you're better than everyone, you're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu Original Series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. For bundle subscribers. Terms apply. Leftist progressive politicians are complicit in the death of Henry Novak. I have paused and wondered in the last couple of weeks after that Manchester non-decision, I guess you'd call it, whether or not you can trust jury trials in increasingly multicultural society.
1:14That's just another great part of this country which we are sacrificing in order to appease the gods of multiculturalism. Not just a UK problem, it's the same in Australia, across the Anglosphere. Systematic rape of children, murder of innocent children. That multicultural project, you have to say it has failed. D didn't stand for diversity, it stood for death. I'm not suggesting for one second that people resort to violence, but it's human nature. Lefties and organisations like Hope Not Hate are doing everything in their power to take GV News off the air. Where's the compassion in letting unvetted men enter our country that then go on to rape our children?
1:54Will. Liam, what a pleasure. Yeah, thanks for coming on. I've been a big fan of your work for a long, long time. GB News, I'd say you're definitely one of my favourites. I don't think you might. Some of your rants are sublime. I think it's only right that we talk about Henry Novak very quickly. May he rest in peace. Not that he should be resting in peace at all. It's the biggest scandal I can remember in the UK, certainly for a long, long time. Heartbreaking, tear-jerking. Thoughts go out to him, obviously, and his family. But for a news presenter that's, you know, you've got your eye on the ball and your ear to the ground and you're from Australia, what does that whole incident say to you about Great Britain?
2:39A heck of a lot. And I think as a caveat to everything we're about to say, merely having this conversation now puts us in the category of, you know, being divisive or the far right or racist or whatever. So many people, politicians on the Labor side and some of the conservatives have come out and said, we can't talk about this now. That will just inflame further tensions. It will just divide us further as if this society isn't already hugely divided as is. Sorry, guys, the division's already happened. But if we don't have this conversation now, Liam, when are we going to have this conversation?
3:16The media, you know, it's a sad reality of the profession that I'm in, moves on. The heat dies down, people focus on other topics, and before you know it, people will have forgotten about Henry Novak. I hope that's not the case, but people will not be talking about it as much. And the policies that politicians put in place that created the conditions for that atrocity to occur, they'll get off the hook, as they have so many times before. So we need to have this conversation now, and it doesn't matter. I don't care if people think, well, you know what, you're just inflaming things further. The inflammation is well and truly you.
3:55In terms of what it says, A, and it's an important thing to say, the overwhelming blame goes with the monster who killed Henry Nova. He is the one who was responsible for his death. And also I would suggest that the family members who enabled him and then tried to cover it up after. And I'm not trying to abrogate responsibility on his end. but we also need to look further than that because there are systemic reasons that this happened and then there were systemic reasons that the police responded in the way they did. We don't know whether or not the police could have saved Henry's life if they responded in a different way.
4:38The coroner says no, same time miracles do happen. We just don't know. But if you look at groups, let's take them in turn. The leftist progressive politicians are complicit in the death of Henry Nova, maybe indirectly, but they created the conditions upon which this happened. They created the multicultural society, which made it legal for one bloke to carry a dagger around and another bloke not to carry a dagger. Even if him carrying a dagger meant he may have had a better chance of protecting himself. That was lethal. It was progressive politicians. And when I say progressive, I mean Labor, I mean the conservatives, I mean the uni party.
5:21It was them that indoctrinated and brainwashed police officers to such an extent that they could turn up to a crime scene. They could see a boy drowning in his own blood and they could drag him through the gravel, put his hands behind his back, handcuff him, and then afford his murderer respect meters away. Like to be able to indoctrinate people with an ideology that dehumanises you to that extent, I can't get my head around it. I still, having seen that footage so often, I just can't fathom it. And I pick up little awful things every time I watch it again. You know, the one I watched last night on Patrick Christie's show, when he was showing it, you know, as they were putting the handcuffs on, I hadn't quite noticed just how pale Henry's hands were at that stage.
6:07And it's like, you can see that. You can see that as you're holding his hand and the fact that that was still not an alarm bell in their mind to go, hang on a second, maybe what he's saying is the truth, means that they must be brainwashed. And sometimes we use that word brainwashed colloquially. I'm saying quite literally, they must be brainwashed into thinking in a particular way and putting particular racial groups in particular categories on some sort of intersectional ladder. So they deserve a huge amount of blame. And I think it's that same mindset in that progressive political class that is now in much of the media, which says, again, we're the bad guys for having this conversation, not the people who have created the conditions that led to this sort of problem in the first place.
6:51It's incredibly sad. And I just hope, and we were talking about this off air, I hope that this is a catalyst for change. And from what I've seen speaking to some people face to face and seeing what I'm seeing on social media, I kind of get the feeling from people that enough's enough. I kind of get the feeling like, and it's the visceral response that you have to seeing footage, which is quite different to even the rape gangs, which is, again, unspeakably awful. but there wasn't the same awful footage and symbolism that you get from video to the same extent that there was in that three-minute clip.
7:31I think that maybe has twigged some people's brains in a way which a lot of the other awful stuff which we've both spoken about in this country over the last couple of decades maybe hasn't galvanised people in the same way. Yeah, I hope people pay close attention to that video because it's in the police commandment book, Thou shall protect the minority group. Well, on that occasion, the minority was the man that was swaying from side to side with blood in his mouth, which the officer was informed of the second he got there. Then he slumped to the ground. Then he said that he's been stabbed at least two or three times to be responded with, yeah, I don't think so, mate, or words to that effect.
8:14And then he's repeatedly telling you, I can't breathe. And you're handcuffing him. I watched that in the middle of the night. I woke up and I got on my WhatsApp saying that the footage has been released. I'm watching it on my pillow and the tears are streaming down my eyes on about the third time I'd watched it. I just took my son out for Hernando's at 19. And I'm thinking, this could be any one of our children. You're going out there and you don't know if you're going to come back or not because some maniac that's weapon obsessed is ready to strike at any reason. And then to be such a narcissist, to drag his whole family into it, who were complicit, that hid the weapon, that lied that he was jumping over fences and that they were the ones that were being attacked.
8:54So for the police to turn up on the scene, I know I'm sort of having a bit of a rant and this is your time, not mine, but I mean, I'm livid and I can't even imagine how the family are feeling. And it's one of them ones where everyone's jumping on it. And I think on this occasion, rightly so. It's not a bandwagon, it's a purpose and it needs to be pushed because people need to realise that that DEI system, you know, in the police force doesn't work. And on this occasion, D didn't stand for diversity. It stood for death. And that's completely heartbreaking. And I'll box that off with shame on the police, shame on Starmer and the political elite, because when he come out and made his statement as to how, you know, he's going to look into the way the police dealt with it, you're the fucking reason they dealt with it in that format because you've indoctrinated him into thinking that it's race first, crime second.
9:48So for me, from being informed that there's blood in his mouth, he was swaying, couldn't sit up straight to dying, and as he's dying, he's being read his rights. Yeah, I could quite easily get myself into a fucking emotional state now. So how his family must be feeling is beyond me. And I just think it's only fair that we speak about it at the start of this interview because, I mean, I'm heartbroken for them all. And I just hope, like you say, this is the start for change. But there's been so much in the past, and I've thought this so many times. This has to be the catalyst for change. And then it all, like you say, gets forgotten about.
10:27There's something else to jump onto the next time. But I really hope this is it. And speaking of injustice, and that's the biggest injustice I've seen in a long, long time, what are your thoughts? Because you're going to see and hear more than the average person being a GB News presenter. which will move me on to the Manchester thugs where two lots of juries couldn't make a decision when it's clear. I mean, we've all got eyes. We've all seen the footage at Manchester Airport. What's your complete take on that? This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast.
11:01Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, Give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. An all-new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Four years ago, we were just making TikToks. But it feels like there are no friendships left in MomTalk. You act like you're better than everyone.
11:39You're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. For bundle subscribers, terms apply. Well, it's interesting, isn't it? Because there's a strand that runs through both of these stories. And that's why I think, again, on the Novak case and this people so angry, because you get gaslit into being told this is just an isolated incident. This is just one jury, in this case two juries, or this is just one group of incompetent police officers, as opposed to everyone who's got half a brain and a pair of eyes can see there is systemic issues going on here around how different cultures and races are treated in this country.
12:30On the Manchester piece, again, it wasn't a judge who's been ideologically captured. It wasn't one of those instances that we've seen where there's some ridiculous reason given by an illegal migrant to stay in the country and the judge buys it because, you know, if they're going to go back to Bulgaria or wherever and the sun doesn't like chicken nuggets, you know, that's their reason to stay. Or, you know, you've heard all these stupid reasons that are given. And that's an example of judges who are lefty judges who are trying to manipulate the law in order to basically achieve their own political goals.
13:05It wasn't the case here. It was a jury of our peers. And when Lammy made the decision to try and limit the amount of jury cases that were available to the accused, I was and am firmly against it. I think the jury trial is a fundamental part of the English legal system. But I must admit, I've had pause for thought after that Manchester case. I was looking at Lee Wan Q, the great Singaporean former leader. He got rid of jury trials in Singapore in mid-20th century because he realised immediately that in a multi-ethnic society, there is an instinct upon which you favour your own in-group. and study after study has shown that you will have a bias to your own particular tribe.
14:00The OJ case, right? That's the most famous example. I have paused and wondered in the last couple of weeks after that Manchester non-decision, I guess you'd call it, whether or not you can trust jury trials in increasingly multicultural society, particularly when you have a lot of groups, say a lot of Islamic groups who openly say, in many instances, not all of them, absolutely not all of them, but but many of them would say that they prioritise their particular religious belief and religious tribe over their country, if they, for example, are a British citizen. Can you still, you know, and that would again be another tragedy, because if we were to have to limit further jury trials or teach them, that's just another great part of this country which we are sacrificing in order to appease the gods of multiculturalism.
14:52We've already given too much away in order, I think, to give yet more away again. But I don't have an answer for you. It's a bit me sitting on the fence. But I have wondered whether our judicial system can survive the multicultural philosophy that has been imposed upon us. I'd never even taken that into consideration, the thought that, you know, there's going to be clear bias jury members. Because I don't think for one second that's why Starmer and Lammy want to introduce it. I think they want to introduce it so they can just send to jail people they want to send to jail without. But the other side of it, what you've just said there, has actually made me think, well, that is actually very true now.
15:33Especially now we've got the influx and the ever-growing different faiths and religions and races coming into the country. You know, your tribe is your vibe and they are going to stick to their own. And I suspect the jury members that couldn't come to a conclusive decision on both those occasions when it's clear as day on camera, they may have shared some kind of alignment with the scumbag perpetrators that I really, really hope get the book thrown at them. The ferocity that they attacked that female officer is like nothing I've ever seen. It's like something that you would have seen at a football match.
16:08It was that level of violence just lashing out willy-nilly but still precise. but he still managed to get a straight square in the nose and the guy in the jaw and kicking afterwards. But wasn't it funny how, and you may know why and how this happens, that the first bit of footage that got released was the head stomp. And it seemed like weeks, it could have been days, until the rest of it unfolded so you could get a better picture. I mean, you could just be speculating here, but who do you think is responsible for that manipulation of information? because that's what it is. Let's make these people look like the bad people, even though they're not, they're the good people.
16:50And when you get debates on X about how over the top they were, overzealous, unnecessary, there was no need to kick him in the head or stamp him in the head. I mean, if that was any other country, he would have got 10 times worse than that. There'd be countries where he would have got killed for attacking police officers in an airport. Ironically, many Muslim countries, He would have got killed for that sort of behaviour. For sure. So my understanding is a lot of the time that information flow is controlled by the police. And in those sorts of instances, they do a risk assessment of, is it in the public interest in order to release this particular information?
17:28Would it lead to further inverted commas hatred? Will it risk public disorder? And then they weigh that up against the importance of transparency and the fact that the public has a right to know this stuff. So some stuff, and that's why it was interesting that the Henry Novak footage did come out. And I suspect if there wasn't such overwhelming pressure from the public and some politicians, they would have withheld that footage because they would have said it would not be in the public interest. It would be potentially divisive. So it's a good thing that it did come out. In that instance, yeah, I think they weigh up, can we manage the public response?
18:07Now, they would argue it is in order to keep people safe. It's the common thing from authoritarians, right? We're doing this to keep you safe, and that's why we take your freedoms away from you. But the reality is a lot of the time, and I don't think you have to be conspiratorial to think that, they're doing that to protect their own skin, right? So I think that's a lot of the time how it comes out. But the other thing which we've seen so often from Southport onwards is it is the cover-up and the deliberate withholding of information which makes people really angry. You know, it makes things 10 times worse when the – and this stuff does come out eventually.
18:47All this stuff comes out eventually. And if the public feel that there are, you know, is an establishment that is saying you can't see this, it's, you know, you're too dumb to be able to process this and not, you know, take it out on a particular ethnic group or cultural group or take it out on the police. You know, it just enrages people, absolutely enrages people. and I think that's why we did see, and I don't condone this for a second, the, at times, violence that spilled over against the police last night. We're recording this day after the Southampton protests and there were incidences where there was some isolated violence against police officers.
19:29And again, don't condone it for a second. It's not right. But people feel like they're not being listened to and when you feel like you're not being listened to again and again and again, You get into a headspace where you go, my only recourse is I've got to take it out through, I've got to send a message through other means. Again, I don't think that's right. But that's the mentality that withholding information and gaslighting people gets you to. And that's where we are at the moment in this country. Yeah, I think we're on the precipice of civil unrest. And I think that government are purposefully, strategically doing these things because they're trying to engineer civil unrest so they can lock away the people they choose fit that they think they're above or think they're a problem or they're speaking truth to power.
20:18We see what happens to people when they get too close to the truth, too close to the sun, they get burnt, i.e. they get slung in jail. So with that in mind, we've got The Police, which is a failed system in the UK. Change are proudly sponsoring the channel. They're the UK's number one e-commerce mentoring programme, taking you step by step through building your own business with no experience needed. I've seen their members make life-changing money and free up real time to spend with their families. Success doesn't happen overnight. You've got to put the work in. The more you put in, the more you get out.
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21:25but also the justice system, up the spout, back to front, immoral. So who do you turn to to trust? And for someone like yourself that's very outspoken, because like I said, some of your rants on GB News for me are just like, if I see a short on YouTube and it's your headshot, I think I'm listening to this. And I can sort of sit myself, nodding my head and shaking my fist and totally agreeing. And just to concur what you said, when people have stopped being listened to and words aren't working, and I'm not promoting, I'm not suggesting for one second that people resort to violence, but it's human nature.
22:00What do you expect? If you get ignored, ignored, ignored, and then the consequence of your words that are reasonable are systematic rape of children, murder of innocent children, at some stage a group of parents are going to get together and it's then going to turn physical. So the question is, do you fear that one day the police could come knocking at your door because you've said something out of line? Because we know that you can escape jail for having child porn on your phone, but you can go to jail for lambasting a minority group, for example, or somebody you don't agree with or a person in power.
22:41Yeah. So a couple of things. A, I try and be very careful with my language because I think you have to be in this country now. And again, on TV, Ofcom regulated, like there are certain things you need to abide by, like the parameters you can, the lane that you can swim in is definitely more narrow than say the conversation we're having right now. So, and again, I try, you know, I'm not trying to be inflammatory. I'm just trying to say things as I see it. Whether I am afraid of the police knocking at my door, no, because I think the people who they go after tend to be people with less power. Not always the case.
23:18You look at someone like Alison Pearson, who's fantastic. You know, they went after her with a non-crime hate incident and there was that whole saga surrounding her. And she's, you know, one of the more prominent journalists in the country. So it certainly happens. But generally it tends to be your average Joe blogs, you know, who doesn't have a public profile. Cause if they were to knock on my door, you know, it's not, uh, it's not your, your, your, um, social media following, but I don't have a, uh, it's a moderate social media following now. You know, there'd be a lot of people who would support me.
23:48I would hope GB News would support me as long as I hadn't done anything wrong. And that would be a harder case for them to make and they would have more resistance. Whereas, again, if you're just going after everyday people, if you're going after your Lucy Connellys, they don't have the same resources that I would have to fight back. So I think that's – and again, that's why it's so cowardly in so many ways, that they only go after particular views really that they think are unpalatable. and then they only go after the people with those views that, again, they think are easy targets a lot of the time.
24:21So famous last words. We'll see if I cop that knock on the door this afternoon. I hope you don't. I think it is overwhelmingly and sadly, you know, everyday good, common, decent English men and women who get that knock. I'm assuming you still follow the Australian news. Is the same thing happening there? I don't think there's the same two-tierism in Australia. So Australia isn't quite as bad as the UK? Not at the moment, no. But I often say, if you want to understand what's going to happen in Australia in three years, look at what's happening in the UK now. Yeah, that's a fair point. Because so many of the themes are fascinatingly and depressingly consistent.
25:01The mass migration story, in fact, on a per capita, no, not even per capita, in terms of just gross numbers, there have been considerably more inflow bigger inflows of migrants into Australia in the last five years than the UK and you think about the impact that has given the Australian population is 27 odd million and the UK population I think is about 70 million like that's going to be felt a lot more in a smaller population um so you think about the type of social unrest that mass migration has caused here it's I'm not gonna say it's worse in Australia but the numbers are bigger I think, you know, you do get a high proportion of Southeast Asian migrants that generally don't have the same type of, there aren't the same cultural problems and problems around integration as there are from many people from Islamic countries and from Africa and parts of the Middle East, which is generally because of the geography of the UK, you get more people coming from those areas here.
26:00but the numbers are still greater in Australia. You are still seeing more and more social unrest, particularly in regional areas. Again, this is the age-old thing like in the UK. In the posh, fancy parts of Sydney, they're not having to deal with the consequences of mass migration in the same way as if you're in Lakemba in Western Sydney, for example. Same thing with the kind of north-south divide here. Multiculturalism, again, is fraying around the seams. For many years in Australia, it worked pretty well because you had good Chinese and Thai food and Australian values and you put those two things together and you go, you beauty, great.
26:37But now the sad reality is as the migrant mix has changed, as you have had more people that have come from cultures which are not compatible with a Western liberal democracy, that multicultural project has frayed at the seams to the point where you have to say it has failed in Australia. And the tragic events at Bondi were the culmination of that failure. Well, you know, it's a bit more dry, but there are the same problems around economic stagnation and that the country isn't growing as it should, just like this country. You know, the same problems around a bloated welfare system and the state getting bigger.
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27:12All of these things are happening at the same time. Now, I don't think it's because the WEF is controlling everything and there are, you know, lizard people that are pulling the strings. but I think we've got similarly poor, weak groups of politicians that all buy into the same globalist worldview. That's not a conspiracy. That's just, they all come from the same types of institutions. They've all had the same type of education. They all think in roughly the same way. And so you get roughly the same outcomes. And that's why just like in the UK where you've got a response and the response here is the rise of reform and more recently restore a more nativist, populist right-wing type of politics in response to that globalist uni-party politics, in Australia, you've got the same thing happening.
27:54So you've got the rise of One Nation and Pauline Hanson. Australia's equivalent of Nigel Farage. And now they are overtaking in the polls the Liberal Party, the equivalent of the Conservatives. Exact same story. For the exact same reasons, you had a Liberal Party that for over a decade in the 2010s was not conservative, let all of this lefty stuff happen. And now people are going, you know what, if you're not going to be conservative and stick up for your traditional values, we're going to find an alternative. So really interesting commonalities across and sad commonalities across both countries.
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29:05But it feels like there are no friendships left in mom talk. You act like you're better than everyone. You're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus. For bundle subscribers, terms apply. And who do you think is going to save the UK? Farage? Rupert Lowe? Are the Tories going to make a resurrection, in your humble opinion? I'm a realist. I'm somewhere between a libertarian and a conservative, but if you're on the right, generally you're practical and realistic and it's the lefties who live in dreamland.
29:43But I'm realistic enough now to know that there will be no real accommodation between restore and reform. I think the egos and the personalities involved make that impossible. And I've been really not surprised, but still disappointed with just the level of hatred between the supporters of both parties on social media. They hate each other more than they hate Labor or the Greens. I think you've hit the nail on the head there that they hate each other more than they do the other parties. It's never been put to me like that before. And I'm not affiliated to a political party. I think actually my particular job, I don't think it would be right for me to be affiliated to a particular party.
30:18GB News gets the whole Reform TV thing. And there are some people who are presenters who are affiliated with Reform. That's fine. But they're open about it. For me personally, I like elements of what I'm hearing from Restore. I like elements of what I'm hearing from Reform. I don't think on principle the Conservatives deserve another chance after what they did to the country. But I still think at least they're saying a lot of the right things now. I think a lot of people would say, well, how can you believe them? And I think that's a pretty fair response. But they're saying the right things. So I think we need, and this sounds a bit airy-fairy, but more people to say, you know what, politics isn't a team sport.
30:53It's not, you know, I go and I support Arsenal, and even if they have a rubbish game, I still love them. Even if, you know, kind of this bloke has a shocker, I'm still going to support him. No, politics is, okay, what do I believe? What are my principles? I work back from there. and that means, you know, does this reform policy align with what I believe in? No? Okay, we'll call it out. Does this one align with what I believe in? Yes, fantastic. But there's this increasing tendency in politics now where it has become like sport, where you just treat it like your football team and then you unthinkingly support everything this particular leader says and does.
31:29Now, I guess I'm in maybe a fortunate position in being able to be in the media and have an obligation to look at things and try and look at it a bit more dispassionately. But, yeah, I think the sportification of politics is one of the reasons why now you have this increasingly polarised and emotional discourse around it. So GB News, it used to promote itself and set itself as a free speech platform. Yeah. Is it still a free speech platform or is there any gagging that goes on? Is this country a free speech country? God, no. Yeah. So number one, GB News, like everyone in this country, has limitations placed on it.
32:18And you have to work within those limitations or else you get put in jail or in more immediately taken off air. Now, the other thing is GB News is Ofcom regulated and that does place restrictions on what you can and can't say. That's just a fact. And you add into that the fact that GB News is saying things a lot of the time that the establishment does not want to hear. You know, could we go further in a perfect world? Yeah, of course we could. But at the same time, GB News was talking about Henry Novak when absolutely no other mainstream media organisation wanted to touch it. JV News was talking about the great gags when no one else wanted to touch it.
33:00These are all important, I think, positive contributions. Now, that has to be looked at in a context of lefties and organisations like Hope Not Hate are doing everything in their power to take JV News off the air. It is a threat to their worldview. Last month, JV News annihilated the BBC and Sky News in the ratings, and that's seen as a threat. So there are certain limitations in what can be said. Of course there are. But the alternative is that you get taken off the air and then you're left with the BBC and Sky News. And, you know, good luck with that. I mean, for me, I'm very, very grateful for GB News.
33:39In fact, everybody I speak to and know that they all are. Because if you take GB News out of the equation, then you're left with a whole load of lefty tripe and lies. And they're going to indoctrinate you with their socialist agenda. And where we know that we cannot trust media outlets, why can we trust GB News? I think so much of the mainstream media does not report on things in a truthful way or alternatively just ignores topics because they want to try and protect a particular establishment narrative. Now, I don't think GB News does that. I genuinely don't. I wouldn't work for them if I thought they did.
34:22But if you, for example, if you only watched the BBC and you only read The Guardian, you would not have heard of Henry Novak perhaps until a couple of days ago. Maybe it's changed now a bit more because it's just such a big story. They cannot possibly ignore it. No. That'd be shameful. You know, a year ago, six months ago, and again, it's changed a bit now, but I remember going on a first date with a bird 12 to 18 months ago, and you can tell why a lot of my first dates don't work out because it went to rape gangs pretty quickly. And I was going, isn't this outrageous? She went, what are the, what are the groom?
34:55I think it was saying grooming gangs at that time. What are the grooming gangs? I went, really? You haven't, you literally have never heard of it. This was a well-informed lady, like really clever, well-informed, read the news. But you know, she, she, you know, was, she was a kind of guardian BBC type. Um, and she just never heard her. And for me, it was like the biggest story in the country at that time. and the most atrocious scandal arguably in modern British history. No, not arguably, definitely in modern British history. And just it clarified in that moment for me that we live in these distorted parallel worlds where if you only get your information from there because it is that type of story is a threat to the, you know, liberal multicultural project that these journalists in those organisations believe in, it just doesn't get reported on.
35:50So I don't think GB News has that same agenda other than agenda of being broadly patriotic. Obviously it is, you know, most of the presenters are, you know, more conservative in their learnings. But I think the other thing is they don't try and we don't try and hide that. We try and probably make the principles that we stand by pretty open and transparent. Whereas, you know, a lot of people on the BBC and Sky will still try and maintain this fiction that they are perfectly impartial and that they look at things almost from this holier-than-thou, you know, mountain, and they just look down and they go, well, you know, I'm coming at this from a completely neutral perspective, and therefore what I say is the gospel.
36:33And inevitably, that neutral perspective is a lefty, you know, kind of establishment-approved message. You know, if I go out and say, you know, put my views out there, I'm very open saying that I'm kind of somewhere between libertarian and conservative. This is what I believe in. This is what I don't believe in. I think the Labor Party generally have been atrocious to this country. I think that the conservatives failed the country earlier. You know, I'm very, very open about where I stand. As I think, you know, someone like Patrick Christie's or Ben Leo or pick your presenter are pretty open with where they stand.
37:05It is the journalists who still maintain this fiction that they are somehow impartial but aren't, I think they let down their profession. And while you mention Ben Leo, props to him. Unbelievable. Props to Ben Leo for standing up against that fucking horrible, wretched, angry little rat in America when he was in his face, trying his best to intimidate and provoke him. And he just stood his ground, kept his cool, and carried on regardless. That guy must have gone home because he was like trying to – it was one of the biggest flex attempts I've ever seen to foul so miserably. He must have really thought that was his moment when he was shouting in Ben Leo's face.
37:43like really like giving it Desperate Dan vibes, like fucking Rocky. And he just kept cool. He must have gone home, that guy, that night and felt so beat and deflated because the whole world saw that. I mean, his wife must be looking at him thinking, well, that didn't work, did it? You tried to intimidate somebody and it didn't work. I didn't realise Ben Leo was that fearless. He's sensational. I watched that. To be honest, I knew he had balls. I didn't know these balls were that big. They got balls. It was astonishing and just like incredible journalistic reserve and restraint and just all those good things that you're told, you know, stick to the facts, don't lose your temper, stay very calm, try and take the emotion out of the situation, which I don't think he did on his end.
38:39I'm not sure he had to do with the other bloke. It was a masterclass. It made me very proud, actually. It was a real masterclass. Yeah, because I spoke to Ben Leo several times, and I saw him at the Bell Hotel when he was reporting. And I had a good chat with him then, and I really warmed to him. But, yeah, just meeting him in the flesh, you couldn't imagine that he would stay so calm in such a volatile situation. So, yeah, props to Ben Leo. How did you become a GB News presenter? How did that come about? That's a good question. I've fallen into this sort of political punditry world. My background's in corporate management consulting stuff.
39:16And I was, it was during COVID, I was, it wasn't this sort of corporate world wasn't really getting me out of bed in the morning. And so I said, well, what's something I've always loved? And I've always loved politics and the contest of ideas. And this was coming at that same time where you did feel like, you know, people who think, you know, with a broadly the same worldview as us were being silenced. And I just went, oh, I'm so tired of going into work every morning and being fed the same, you know, woke progressive agenda. And then just being forced to nod in these meetings day after day after day.
39:52I need an outlet to say what I'm thinking. And so I, uh, I reached out, I was in Australia at the time. I reached out to the editor of the spectator in Australia. I noticed they didn't have a podcast and I said, oh mate, would you be interested in setting one up? And he basically said, look, if you do all the work and we won't pay you, but you can use the brand. I went, beauty. And so started chatting to people on the podcast. It became a really good way just to meet interesting people and to hone those skills. Then started getting a few gigs on Sky News in Australia, which is not like the awful Sky News over here.
40:26It's probably closer to GB News. And then when I moved over here, having done a stint in the US as well, I think someone from GB News had just seen that podcast or seen me on Twitter or something and just said, do you want to come on the Saturday Five, which is the show that I now co-host, came on. It wasn't terrible. It wasn't great. It wasn't terrible. But they've just kept inviting me back every week, basically, and they haven't kicked me out. And that's been, what, two and a half years now? So it's been very organic, really. But it's such a privilege because, you know, we were talking earlier about, you know, everyday day people who are listening who a lot of the time feel like they are being silenced and they don't have that outlet to be able to actually have that outlet to talk about these types of things is is such a privilege and is something which i don't take for granted in the slightest so as an australian what is it you love about england because i know that you speak very highly of the country yeah i've always felt more comfortable in some respects in england than i have in london and england i have in sydney um you know it's and it's weird because it's like it's a lot of There's all things that build up.
41:30I love the history. I'm a massive history nerd. I love the history. I love the culture of the Sunday pint at the pub. I love the country walks. I love the English sense of humour. Even as a kid, I was watching Blackadder and Fawlty Towers and stuff. I was watching Fawlty Towers last night. It's a ripper. I paid for season one on Prime. That is crazy you said that. Sorry. Carry on. No, not at all. And isn't it great seeing John Cleese having this late in life resurgence, getting stuck in on Twitter. It's a joy to behold. What are the chances of that? Well, it's interesting. I saw a tweet from him and he basically said, the secret is you really don't give a shit what you say anymore when you know you're close to death, which is a typically acerbic John Cleese comment.
42:14But, you know, I love the English sensibility. I love the, you know, kind of stiff upper lip. I love, you know, I love the little things that make this country what it is and the fact that those little things have developed since the Romans and before that, you know, it is. And that's why I think for me, even though I wasn't born in this country, I'm not a British citizen, you know, I'm part of the, you know, Anglospheric tradition, being Australian, it breaks my heart when you see, you know, leftists try to chip away at that cultural heritage bit by bit by bit. And it could just be, you know, bad policy.
42:55So Labor politicians, you know, setting such scandalously bad economic policies that two pubs are closing every day. You know, it could be, you know, this sort of attempt in our institutions to try and erase particular elements of British history and to rewrite it to suit their culturally Marxist agenda. You know, it could be the attack on farmers and the English countryside and, you know, the green pleasant lands of England. You know, it breaks my heart seeing that. And if there is a driving force of why I try and do what I do, it is to try and fight back against the cultural vandals that are tearing this country down and trying to rebuild it in their year zero Marxist image, which is terrifying.
43:44And we've got to fight back against that. Cultural vandals. That is the best description I've ever heard of the left. Yep. Yeah. Carry on with that. How else would you describe the left? Yeah, give me that half-volley outside off stump. Because we haven't got Ofcom here choking us. You can say what you like. Let me put that one through the covers. Well, again, everything for them is year zero. Like the problem with the left is that they think we're always this close to utopia. And if we just change a few settings here or there, if we just move a few people along or if we just eliminate this particular voice or this particular mindset, we will get to perfection.
44:26And, of course, you can never get to perfection. And so that means they get more and more frustrated, and that means they get more and more likely to start acting in authoritarian ways and start silencing people. And, you know, that is a story as old as time itself. And you're seeing that now. Like it is no coincidence that modern authoritarianism and censorship doesn't primarily come from conservatives. I'm not saying it's not there entirely, but it comes from the left side of politics. The left are the modern authoritarians. And that's why, you know, in everything from online censorship to people being arrested for tweets to, you know, increasingly being limited in what you can say and do, the left take away your freedoms because they have this mentality that they know better than you how to live your life, that we're close to that utopian vision, you need to fall in line or else we won't get there.
45:20Now, it was communicated so terrifyingly clearly by Zach Belansky the other day when he said, I wonder whether or not when we think about our future perfect world, whether there is a place for conservatives. And if there isn't a place, what should we do? You know, words to that effect. I'm paraphrasing. And it's like that is the mindset that's so scary in that, you know, they are the ones. They'll do the whole be kind nonsense. They'll do the whole kind and compassionate rubbish. They are the ones that are unkind. They are the ones that are intolerant. They are the ones that will try and dehumanize you if they possibly have the chance.
46:02And that's, again, it is that hypocrisy that I think makes all of our blood boil. Because it's one thing just to be a dickhead, you know? It's one thing to be an asshole. It's quite another to do that, but then at the same time say, I'm the one who is the moral one, the kind one, the compassionate one. It's like, be that way if you want, but don't gaslight me into saying that you're also being a good bloke at the same time. That's the thing that I think really annoys a lot of us. And what frustrates me is the ones that proclaim to be compassionate. It's like, well, where's the compassion in letting unvetted men enter our country that then go on to rape our children?
46:42Like, at what point, like, where does your compassion face? So that is, I mean, that's always going to be a bone of contention for me and I think a hell of a lot of people, certainly on the right-hand side. And how many years have you lived in the UK? In aggregate, four and a half or five. I broke it up with a stint in the United States, but overall, four and a half. Okay, so I've been noticing for a lot longer the, like, men weakening, like the warrior being drained out of the man. Have you noticed that in the stint of time you've been in the UK that men are becoming less warrior-like? Yeah, but I don't just think that's an English or British thing.
47:21I think that's a Western thing, probably. But can you be surprised, right? Like when you say for, again, decades now that men are toxically masculine when traditional male virtues are treated as something to be ashamed of. and when increasingly you also create an environment where it makes it harder to develop those masculine skills. That's the end outcome. Like for example, and I don't know the stats in the UK, but I imagine they're the same or similar. I think all new relation, 70%, if not more of all new relationships in the US are now starting by dating apps. Now I met my missus on a dating app.
48:03It's the way the world is going. I said, I'm not, it is what it is, but you don't have to develop the confidence or the guts to go up to a bird in a bar now and have that chat. You can just swipe and then start the conversation behind the screen. Similarly, we all now live in many corporate environments are hybrid. So you don't have to have as many uncomfortable conversations. You don't have to, if you need to tell a kid that they're not performing as expected, you don't have to have that conversation face to face. You can have it over Zoom. Like all of these little things in our environment now are making us, are not helping us get the runs on the board to build some of those.
48:45And you know what? Like a lot of that stuff isn't necessarily just masculine traits. They're just traits of character and courage generally. But you don't have the same challenges being put to people. And that's starting from a young age as well. You know, kids aren't, you know, put in positions where they can fail as much, where they're in danger as much. You know, the obvious cliched example is the monkey bars are being taken out of playgrounds because they're too dangerous. You know, kids aren't being taught that they can fall and sometimes falling hurts, but it will teach you in the long run.
49:22Extend that out to today. and is it a wonder that, is it a surprise that there are less men of character than there once were? I've got the tail end of a conversation that you was having about the corruption in Scotland. I thought I must ask you about that. So what do people need to know about the corruption in Scotland? Oh, the Nicola Sturgeon stuff and Peter Murrell. Like I shouldn't laugh. It's one of those ones which is, you know, is just so comedic. So for people who haven't been following it, Peter Murrell, who is the now estranged husband of Nicola Sturgeon and was formerly the chairman or the head of the SNP in Scotland.
50:05It's just come out that – well, it's come out at some time, but the details have emerged further that he swindled 400K from the SNP in Scotland. little things, bizarrely little things like, you know, kind of salt and pepper grinders and dust bins and then big things like motor homes and, you know, luxury kitchen appliances. And this was all happening when he was married to the then first minister of the SNP and Nicholas Sturgeon has basically said, oh, I didn't know anything. I didn't notice the, you know, the luxury kitchen appliances because, you know, I don't really like cooking. I didn't notice the motor home that the husband bought because I was just parked, you know, at the side of my mother-in-law's place and I couldn't really, couldn't see it from that angle.
50:54All this stuff, which doesn't pass the sniff test. And it's just, it's probably a more extreme example of corruption in politics that we've seen in some time. And it has that sort of darkly comic element. There was one, and I was laughing when I saw this, where Murrell during COVID bought 108 toilet paper rolls hours before Sturgeon went on TV warning people against bulk buying and panic buying in the pandemic. You know, it's like, mate, if you're going to basically have insider information, at least kind of, you know, get a hot share tip. Don't just go, oh, I need to stock up on toilet paper.
51:37It's the world's most tragic corruption story. Yeah, another example of almost just kind of how the social contract is fraying and being torn apart in sometimes darkly comic ways. And do you know what? As funny as it is, it's a perfect example of the gaslighting and the insulting the British public's intelligence. Like, come on. You are taking the piss out of us. And that is what we're lacking is honesty. So when it comes to political parties, again, I'm still politically homeless. I'm on the fence. I'm waiting for the right team with the right policies that are going to follow through and not backtrack and not flip-flop and lose their arsehole when the left put pressure on them.
52:25But we just want honesty. We are sick and tired of being lied to. And we're not as silly as we look and sound. And that's what Westminster need to get a grip of. they're so detached it's embarrassing there's zero common ground that's why I think that every political party need to have a street savvy advisor that comes from a council estate that's mingled with you know some bad people some unfortunate people victims so they can give advice it's like okay that's a fair point I didn't experience that or some of these career politicians I want you to go and live in Tower Hamlets for a month or in Liverpool somewhere or some rough, poor, violent estate and then start thinking about your political snobbery because you've got no fucking right to have that.
53:17Such a good point. And this is also part of that broader conversation around the rise of the career politician and how you have, you know, blokes or men and women who, you know, go to Oxford or Cambridge. They do PPE. They then get a job as a SPAD, special advisor. are, you know, they may do some think tank work, uh, and then they get put in a safe seat and you, before you know it, they're now running the health department or they're running defense and they've never had any experience. They've never seen a balance sheet. They've never, you know, they've never actually got their hands dirty with either, you know, running a business or to your point, like, you know, seeing some of the less palatable sides of life.
53:59and is it really any coincidence that the rise of that sort of career pathway for politicians has coincided with the most pathetic B-grade inadequate talent roster in politics, at least in modern history, I'd probably suggest in history. I don't know kind of the 1700s political class as well as I should, but it's just, it's woefully bad. And again, not just a UK problem, it's same in Australia, same in, you know, across the Anglosphere, same thing's happening. Very hard problems to solve, right? Like because what I said earlier, that becoming a politician is not an appealing career path now because of just the package, not the money package, but the overall package, you know what I mean?
54:44Yeah, very, very hard problems to solve. But yeah, like more good people need to, particularly after they've made their money or they've, you know, kind of made their career, need to say, look, for the good of the country, I need to give it a crack because what we've got at the moment, and again, this isn't a right v left thing. I think it's bad on both sides. The talent is not where it should be. I completely and utterly concur. Were you privately educated? I was. I was. Did the wanky shirt and chinos and not give it away. It's the brain power that I can feel. I can tell that you're very, very switched on.
55:20But it's interesting, right? And I find this so odd coming to England. That's a compliment, by the way. because I can tell that you're a smart guy. But in Australia, I think now the breakdown is around 65-35, public to private. I think here it's, what, 90 or 95 to 5, something like that. Basically, there are a lot more people in Australia that are privately educated than in the UK. Similarly, that's why I kind of go, you know, in Australia, like you go, you know, you went to a private school, you know, okay. If you go here, you go to a private school, oh, posh, eh? It is a different mentality.
55:57And similarly with, say, like private healthcare in Australia, a lot more people have private healthcare compared to here. I think Australia's got a better balance between private and public, you know. And everyone knows that you need to have a strong private sector in order to make sure that there's less strain on the public sector. This is why the attack on private schools and the increase in VAT for private schools from this Labor government is just such a bad policy. hasn't raised any money. Many private schools are closed. Tens of thousands of kids have moved into the public sector. And look, you know, if you want to do the class warfare thing, you can say, well, you know, good riddance to them.
56:40But that then just means that the kids who are already in the public sector have bigger classroom sizes. The quality of their education is going to go down because, you know, you have teachers which have an additional strain placed on them. But we need to stop and cut this sort of labor class warfare mentality and say, you know what? A strong private sector means that you have a stronger public sector. But I don't think that the country has that mentality quite right. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work?
57:17It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. An all new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Four years ago, we were just making TikToks. But it feels like there are no friendships left in mom talk. You act like you're better than everyone.
57:52You're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus for bundle subscribers. Terms apply. Yeah. Yeah, I can see you'd be very good in an intellectual battle. And the final question I'm going to come to in a second is probably the most intellectual question I've asked all day, but we're going to come to that. Once you tell my audience where they can find you, what platforms and what your preferred ones are. Yeah, so main thing is go and watch your venues or you can see, find it on TV, on YouTube.
58:35You can listen to it on radio. The shows that I'm on at the moment are the Saturday Five, which I co-host 6 p.m. Saturdays. I'm on Patrick Christie's on Tuesdays, breakfast on Thursdays, pop up around the place. And then all the socials are the same, Facebook X, Instagram. I've tried to do TikTok. Actually, yeah, if you can follow me on TikTok, I think I've got about 80 followers on TikTok. So that would be a handy one to follow up. Let's address that. What's your tag? Twitter is Will Kingston. TikTok, I think, is Will R. Kingston. If you search for Will Kingston, I'm sure you'll find me. Or, you know, some Will Kingston, Norway, perhaps, or something like that.
59:09But no, I'm sure you'll find me. and a new show coming out on DGB News called Fire at Will, which will be long-form interviews like this one on with, you know, interesting people. So keep an eye out for that. It will be coming out in the next few weeks. Sounds very, very interesting. Well, I'll put all your links in our description. So the final question, I did say it would be an intellectual one. What is your favourite Kevin Bloody Wilson song? I don't have one. I don't have one. Do you love them all? I'm not as big a fan of – I think maybe this might be a generational thing. I think Kevin Wilson was a bit before me generation-wise.
59:45Do you know what? I forget I'm an old father. I remember when my nan played Santa Claus, You Cunt to Me Christmas morning, and I was too young to be really listening to that. And, yeah, my nan and my auntie both put it on, and they knew that they shouldn't really be playing it to me, but they found it so funny that they did. And I found it so funny because I'm listening to swear words. mean they're only swear words, but, you know. Well, it is funny in Australia. I've turned out all right. It is funny in Australia, the C word. It's a term of endearment. A term of endearment. Ah, he's a good, you know.
1:00:19I'm still in an Ofcom regulated mood, but he's a good, you know, or, you know, ah, he's a good bloke or, you know, whatever. It's quite jarring for people who don't understand Australian blokey rules. You've got to be careful. coming over to Australia, coming to London, telling somebody in the pub that you're a good cunt. That's likely to end up with a punch on the nose. Yeah, yeah. All part of integration, I suppose. Not so much now. Now they'll need a safe space. Yeah. 20 years ago, that would have ended in probably a bit of fisticuffs. Or you'll just be locked up, I suppose. Yeah, start around this way.
1:00:58So how old are you? I'm 35. 35, 46, yeah. Yeah, it will be a generation. Yeah, I love Kevin bloody Wilson. and even now he still comes up on my Spotify and I think, oh, blimey, but if the kids are indoors, I have to fast forward it because I have speakers in the kitchen. So, yeah, if that comes on, I'm more responsible now. So I think they're too young for me. Very wise. The youngest anyway. Anything else you want to – final message to the message before we shake hands and I thank you for coming on. No, I've loved this, mate. And, of course, keep an eye out, team, because Liam will be coming on that Fire It Will show next week.
1:01:30Looking forward to returning the favour and throwing a few grenades. your way. And am I allowed to fire at will? Absolutely. I'll be there. Cheers, brother. Good health.
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