The Murder Of Charlie Kirk Was a Declaration of WAR: Gavin McInnes

19 Sep 2025 · 1 h 15 min · 24 chapters

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In short

Gavin McInnes discusses political culture-war claims, arguing that “white nationalism”/“white supremacy” accusations are mischaracterized, that left-wing institutions (especially teachers/unions) have “Marxist” influence, and that recent high-profile violence (Charlie Kirk’s assassination and a Ukrainian refugee’s throat-slitting) is a catalyst for “war.” He also argues Islam is incompatible with the West, criticizes anti-Semitism and “Jew obsession,” and claims underdog/pro-Palestine activism is driven by resentment and hypocrisy.

Guests

Gavin McInnes (Canadian-born co-founder of Vice; self-described Islamophobe and Zionist; claims to be a white nationalist/white nationalist movement figure). Host: Liam (interviewer).

Guest background

McInnes presents himself as a controversial right-wing provocateur, frequently “censored,” and previously involved in far-right/anti-left media controversies; he describes being targeted in his neighborhood after Proud Boys/Antifa-related events.

Key claims

He says he is “absolutely” a white nationalist; Proud Boys are “thriving” and not recruiting like Hells Angels; Trump exonerated many J6ers; education is ruined by Marxist teachers/unions; anti-Semitism is partly “anti-white-ism”; Islam is uniquely incompatible; women should mostly stay home; and “politeness is over” after Kirk’s killing.

Notable examples

Charlie Kirk’s campus activism and assassination; bomb scare on the George Washington Bridge (Sept 11 context); Proud Boys/Antifa clashes; claims about circumcision and “foreskin” practices; McInnes’s neighborhood vandalism (eggs, fish/caviar, signs); pro-Palestine activism in Scotland/Canada; Ukrainian refugee Irina Zaryotska (name used).

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The Assassination of Charlie Kirk

0:55 to 2:06

Discussion on the implications of Charlie Kirk's assassination and its context.

“Plagiarist, prostitute, banging, Marxist.”

Gavin McInnes on White Supremacy

2:29 to 4:49

A controversial dialogue on white supremacy and the complexities of identity.

“I hope you enjoy this week's episode, and good health.”

The Proud Boys Discussion

4:49 to 7:30

Insights into the Proud Boys organization and its racial dynamics.

“I wonder how many people would take that as gospel.”

Racism, Media, and Cultural Shifts

7:30 to 12:12

Exploration of racism in America and its evolving narrative post-Obama.

“Is it still a prescribed terrorist organization?”

Views on Islam and Judaism

12:12 to 14:00

Discussion on Islam, Judaism, and the complexities surrounding these faiths.

“And you can tell a leftist you're not racist till you're blue in the face.”

Cultural Compatibility and Controversial Views

14:00 to 24:29

Exploring the speaker's controversial views on cultural assimilation, particularly regarding Islam and Judaism.

“And I don't think Islam is compatible with the West.”

The Impact of Charlie Kirk's Assassination

24:30 to 28:00

Discussing the significance of Charlie Kirk's assassination and its implications on American society and culture.

“which is why I think someone's taken him out.”

Reflections on Charlie Kirk's Shooting

28:00 to 30:10

A deep dive into the cultural implications of Charlie Kirk's assassination.

“And then he got shot and everyone went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.”

The Emotional Impact of Violence

30:10 to 31:55

Hosts share their visceral reactions to violence and its significance.

“But the last word that Charlie Kirk said as he leant back was violence.”

The Political Landscape After Charlie's Death

31:55 to 35:06

Discussion on the profound political consequences following Charlie Kirk's death.

“Yeah, if that doesn't make you stand up, what will?”
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Racial Issues and Cultural Critiques

35:06 to 36:21

Exploration of racial tensions and cultural critiques in America today.

“I'm pretty sure Trump said the only punishment for him is the death penalty.”

Western Perspectives on Global Conflicts

36:21 to 42:00

Analyzing Western attitudes toward global conflicts and their implications.

“There was a Palestinian conference recently in New York where they talked about how we have to not just abolish Israel from the river to the sea.”

Cultural Critique of Success and Socialism

42:00 to 46:00

Explore the discussion on the perception of success and the socialist mentality in various cultures.

“And he'd be like, well, I don't wear blue suede shoes and I don't have a hound dog.”

Living as a Censored Figure

46:44 to 54:00

Gavin McInnes shares experiences of being censored and the impact on his family and community.

“The crispy chicken crunch wrap slider, a brand new classic, is back.”

Political Polarization and Media Influence

54:00 to 56:00

Discussion on the division in American politics and the role of media in shaping opinions.

“We've now got that level of hypocrisy over here.”

The Shift in American Media

56:00 to 58:08

Explore the evolution of media in the U.S., from left-right debates to woke narratives.

“And we argued so much, we go, let's get the British out of here.”

Critique of Robert De Niro

58:08 to 1:00:24

A critical reflection on Robert De Niro's career and political views.

“And that's why you have guys like Don Lamont talking about how Antifa, they're anti-fascist.”

Candid Conversations About Identity

1:00:24 to 1:02:58

Discussion on identity, race, and personal anecdotes in a humorous context.

“Even now, he's dating this Asian woman who looks like some Kung Fu teacher from the 1800s.”

The Role of Police in Society

1:05:28 to 1:10:02

Debate on the role of police in America and the impact of social dynamics.

“So she was furious with me for saying that.”

The Police and Crime in America

1:10:02 to 1:12:48

Discussing the evolution of police work and its impact on crime rates.

“technically true but we have kind of a why are you winking what is in your eye okay fuck it here's So the old school, you know, they understood how to do the job.”

Reflections on Patriotism and Unity

1:12:48 to 1:15:06

Exploring the importance of unity among patriots in light of recent events.

“We're alcoholics, but I think today of all days, we should raise a glass for Charlie Kirk and the fallen from September the 11th.”

The State of Britain and Its Future

1:15:06 to 1:17:08

Analyzing the socio-political landscape of Britain and the need for resilience.

“Charlie Kirk, the refugee, today being September the 11th.”

Closing Thoughts and Remembrance

1:17:08 to 1:17:43

Concluding remarks on the importance of remembrance and camaraderie.

“even the ones he doesn't, is you see, you think England's lost when you look from across the pond.”

Closing Thoughts and Remembrance

1:18:26 to 1:18:51

Concluding remarks on the importance of remembrance and camaraderie.

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1:04I don't know why. Plagiarist, prostitute, banging, Marxist. Do you find me attractive? Do you have foreskin? Yes. I have an erection right now. I let a homeless man fuck me in the ass. It is gross and weird. Radical Islam, it makes sense that it's in bed with the radical left because they're both insatiable. Oh, your purple socks are showing. Like it's never good enough. Also, the cousin thing. What the hell? We got a Jew in the house. What did I tell you about goddamn Jews in the house? Making America Great Again, which, by the way, means 1986. It means mullets, jet skis, wet t-shirt contests, slapping asses, wedging nerds.

1:44I gotta say, motherfucker, that is one hell of a suit. We have a real racial problem. We have deep-seated animosity for white people. I am an Islamophobe. The million-dollar question is, are you a white supremacist?

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2:41I literally just got off the plane. Yeah, that's important to mention, actually. You've literally just flown in to Heathrow from New York. Yep. Now, you messaged me late last night saying that there's a delay because there's a bomb scare. Yeah, so after the shooting, I mean, it's September 11th also. So it's not just Charlie Kirk. There was a bomb scare on the George Washington Bridge, which is the bridge that sort of leaves Manhattan and goes to the Newark airport. And I just got over it, and then they shut the bridge, and I could see the traffic going the other way, and they were doomed. It turned out to be nothing, but it happens every September 11th.

3:15Yeah, so when this goes out, it will be maybe in the next 7 to 10 days. So, yeah, today is September the 11th. So, yeah, I'll take a moment to absorb that, digest it, and never, ever forget. But straight into the tough questions, because my job is to read online what people are saying about my guests. And I see you defending yourself a lot about being a white supremacist. So the million-dollar question is, are you a white supremacist? Yes, absolutely. I'm a white nationalist, and we started this thing saying blacks need to go back to Africa. And then you start this sort of slippery slope. and then people started saying, what about the Mexicans?

3:53Okay, they go back to Mexico. And then, so we want America to be all white, obviously. But then people were like, what about some guy from Slovakia who just got here a year ago? So he goes back, right? Now this is where it gets complicated. We're having a lot of trouble with the movement right now because I'm an immigrant from Britain in America. Well, from Canada, actually. And I married a Native American. So what happens to me? And we were like, well, you should probably go back. So I'm going to be going back to Scotland. My kids will stay. My kids are half Native American. So my wife will stay in America.

4:31And then the kids, because they're half and half, what we're going to do is the kids will come to Scotland for half the year and then back to America for half the year. So it's become incredibly complicated. But, you know, you just got to keep your nose to the grindstone.

4:49I wonder how many people would take that as gospel. Well, that's how stupid it is that we're talking about it, you know? Like I always say, I'm not a whatever the white supremacist is. No one is. Nobody is. Even if you meet a bonafide fascist, like a Spanish fascist in Barcelona, right? He hates the Germans. He hates the French. He probably hates that group that wants to separate. What are they called again? In Spain, the Basque separatists. He hates them. Right. So fascism, which is what most people describe as white nationalism, it's very parochial. It's very Covent Garden. You know, it's just my little tiny area and everyone else can die.

5:32So it's a it's a retarded concept that we keep having to say, no, we're not white supremacists. I'm not a white supremacist. But I go, nobody is. Who are the main groups that are accusing you of being a white supremacist? With the left, it's the number one allegation. I mean, Trump's a Nazi. Charlie Kirk's a Nazi. We say it about the left, not Nazi. Well, we say you're a pedophile. But we're right.

5:58Our blanket allegation is relatively accurate. Theirs is just so absurd. Like, what is that? And then you go, well, what about racial realists like Jared Taylor and these very controversial guys like John Derbyshire? They think that race and IQ are related, and it goes like Asian, white, Hispanic, black, as far as IQ tests. And those groups are pretty rare, right? It's not a very common thing to say, oh, you have this race, you have this IQ. Even with those guys, the bell curve doesn't go black, white, Asian. There's massive overlap. So there's tons and tons, thousands of black men smarter than Asians and thousands of Asians stupider than whites.

6:42And there's a lot of it's just a general pattern. And by the way, that relatively normal scenario I'm describing are the extremists. So this idea of just like ziege-heiling Nazis is so stupid. It goes to the Proud Boys, too. They go, it's a white supremacist group. And I would always say to journalists, I'd go, OK, so what about the black guys? Like, what do they do at the meetings? Do they get on all fours and we put a piece of wood on their back and they're just a table? Do they leave the room when the racist jokes begin? What about the gay Proud Boys? Do they just hate themselves? And I always say to journalists, that's your scenario you just described, right?

7:21That there's blacks in a white supremacist group. Go interview that black guy. Like, that's your front page story. That's much more interesting than me. What's happening with the Proud Boys now? Is it still a prescribed terrorist organization? It is in New Zealand and Canada. It's thriving. They've got their 10-year anniversary coming up next summer. It never died. I mean, and the thing about it is it's like the Hells Angels in that they don't recruit. They're not looking for new members. It's a secretive club, you know. It comes from that tradition that men have always had, like the water buffaloes on the Flintstones or, you know, Ralph Cramden on the Honeymooners.

7:59He had his secret club with secret handshakes. And men love that kind of stuff. And it's not going away anytime soon. And didn't Trump exonerate a lot of the Proud Boys that were convicted when they stormed the Capitol? Yeah, he exonerated almost all of like 95 % of the J6ers who were there at what I call the great meandering. A lot of those were Proud Boys. But they still need like Joe Biggs, for example, he needs to get his benefits back from the VA. This guy has two purple hearts. He's a Proud Boy and he was there that day. and they took away his VA benefits. So, you know, vets get their lawyers fees paid in America.

8:39He didn't get any of that. Purple Heart's taken back. He needs to get all that back. Those guys are going to sue now. Yeah. So it seems to me that Trump is actually pro Proud Boys. It is. I think they lost him the election in the sense that Biden said, will you disavow the Proud Boys? And he did. And you don't, I keep saying this. If you want a vampire to leave you alone, you don't give him a vial of your blood. He just wants more. They feed on capitulation. Radical Islam, it makes sense that it's in bed with the radical left because they're both insatiable. Like what happens when a woman wears a burqa?

9:17Oh, I can still see some of your bangs. Oh, your purple socks are showing. Like it's never good enough. And the left is the same way. So don't apologize. He should have said white nationalists. the Proud Boys, isn't their top guy like a Cuban black guy or something? Look, I don't know about the Proud Boys, but you guys are the ones with the violence. You guys are the ones with Antifa. And every time there's a patriotic group, you tell me they're white nationalists. I don't believe it. That's what he should have said. But he pussied out. Yeah, well, a lot of them do. I mean, it's only really Trump on the political stage, the world stage that I see has got any kind of courage whatsoever.

9:56The others are sort of playing to different crowds and groups and not really being their organic self. I believe that Trump really is who he portrays himself to be. Everyone else over here, they're all actors. He just tweeted out about Russia and Ukraine. They don't know what the fuck they're doing. He said, fuck. We've got to watch what we say on a podcast, and we're both miscreant ne 'er-do-wells.

10:22He's out there, shit, fuck, piss. But I will say about the racism thing, it's over, especially with Charlie Kirk's assassination and the Ukrainian refugee. It used to be that, well, first of all, up to 2005, everyone was normal. And then Obama came along in 08 and he said, make it about race. Make everything about race. And they did. And then everyone was apologizing all the time. And that is officially done like this year. For example, at my local, this black woman comes in, and the beers are$5, which is very good for beer prices. And she goes, oh, but do you have buybacks? I'm getting annoyed.

11:06I don't know if you do this in Britain, but usually if you have like four or five drinks, the bartender gives you a free one. Oh, no, not over here. So she goes, sometimes I get them for free. And I go, is there an issue here with the$5 beer? And she goes, oh, here we go again. and just another black woman trying to live in America. And we all laughed. Now, not even a year ago, we would have gone, it's not about that. Why are you making it about that? And then a year before that, we would have been like, no, no, no, no, no, it's not that. We're just saying that you don't get free beer in a bar.

11:42So we're back to the early pre-Obama America where someone says something that silly and we just laugh our heads off. Like it was so bad for a while that it's OK to be white. Stickers would be on if you put them around town. The news would say hate propaganda spread all over town. Now it's OK to be white again. It's nice to see that people have dropped that caveat before they start to say what they really feel. I'm not racist, but just don't even say that anymore. It's done. You know you're not racist. That's all that matters. And you can tell a leftist you're not racist till you're blue in the face.

12:17Exactly. They're not going to take your word for it. They'll shoot you in the neck. Yeah, I don't know where to go next. Before we touch base on Charlie Kirk, which we will, and that Ukrainian refugee, there's been a few things that have happened in the States recently that have brought me to tears. Well, can I add one thing, sorry to interrupt? Go for it. One problem with the racist pendulum swinging back to normalcy is these assholes on the left pushed it so hard. Like, we're Gen X, so we just laugh when she says a black woman living in America, blah, blah, blah. We just laugh it off. But Gen Z and the younger people, they go, yeah, I am racist.

12:53Now, they don't genuinely mean it. They're not generally going to, you know, avoid a black person as a friend if they have a lot in common. I mean, that's what real racism is, right? You don't treat someone as an individual. You treat them as a pattern. You certainly don't marry somebody of a different race and procreate with them. Yeah, make little mud babies. Yeah. But the very young people, they're big on anti-Semitism. They're big on racism. I don't think it's very surface. It's very like, fuck you to the establishment. But I hope you're happy, liberals. You made this is your golem. You made these young people say they're racist and they hate Jews just to spite you.

13:33That's how annoying you are. The Jew obsession that I see every single day without fail. There's an anti-Jew movement across the West, across the world, really. And that's another thing that gets thrown at you. So another million-dollar question. Are you a Zionist? And what's with the Jew obsession? I am a Zionist. I support Israel. I am an Islamophobe. And the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I was deeply affected by 9-11. And I don't think Islam is compatible with the West. No one ever asked me that in an interview, by the way, like about Islam. I have controversial views about that religion.

14:12And I think Hindus assimilate beautifully. I think Jamaicans assimilate beautifully. I think a lot of the British colonies do great in the West. But Islam, they put religion above family, above everything else, above life. Like dying is a good thing. And I just don't think that's compatible. Also, the cousin thing, the cousin marriage thing. We outlawed cousin marriage a long time ago and built the greatest civilization on earth. And now we're importing people who didn't outlaw cousin marriage. And there's two different universes. That's incompatible. But, you know, I think a lot of these anti-Semites now, they don't get the incredible nuance that is in Judaism within Jews.

14:57Like Orthodox and Hasidic Jews hate secular Jews. You go to Israel and say, I don't think you guys should be getting any money. A lot of them agree with you. You know, there's Israelis like Haaretz, that newspaper. They want the wall taken down. They're pro-Palestine. You know, they have Muslims in their parliament. They have Muslim areas. And the funny thing, a rabbi friend of mine was saying this about Nick Fuentes the other day, who's a big anti-Semite in America. He goes, Nick doesn't realize how Jewish he is because if there's one thing Jews love, it's talking about Jews all the time. Going over all the details.

15:34But I honestly believe it's a real crutch. Like we get mad at black people for saying I can't be a lawyer because of racism. Whites have prevented all these opportunities. If it rains on my birthday, it's the whites. And then whites do that with Jews where it's they're responsible for everything. They control everything. You know, you get this myopic thing. You see, for example, there's four families that run California. Pelosi's, the Newsom's, the somethings and the somethings. I forgot. They're not Jewish. And if you have this myopic obsession with the Jews, then you just sort of like forget that.

16:10And you remember, you have selective memory. And you remember when the bad guy you found out was Jewish. Yeah, the only thing that I can say about the Jewish community that I can criticize, because I've spoke to loads of Jews. I've interviewed plenty of Jews. They all seem very nice and family - Yiddos! All the yiddos seem nice and family-orientated and business savvy. It's the chewing off of the foreskin of babies from the rabbis that I have. Okay. I mean, you can't ignore that. I mean, is that still a thing? That is incredibly rare. It is gross and weird. They're called a mule, I think, and they put their mouth over the penis after circumcision so the blood, I don't know, doesn't go everywhere.

16:55But even like Orthodox Jews with yarmulkes, You won't find one who's met a mule or has seen it happen. It's up there with like weird, you know, sacrificing goats in the Haitian community or something. It's very esoteric, but yes, very weird. Yeah, and just for balance and to keep, because I like to try and remain as impartial as possible and fair. Can I just request to both any Islamists watching and any Jews watching that sort of subscribe to that part of their religion? Can Islamists stop gang raping Western children? And can Jews that are still into chewing off babies' foreskins stop doing that immediately because no one likes that shit?

17:40Well, I think circumcision is barbaric too. You cut off a little baby's foreskin. And anyone who doubts thinks I'm wrong. Do you have a foreskin? Yes. Yeah, in America, no one does. I've got five. I collect them. They don't age well, though. I put them in my display case. They look good the first day. Four months later, they get all dry and flaky. But if anyone who thinks circumcision is okay for men, go look up a circumcision tray with the head strap and the wrist straps and the ankle straps. It's barbaric. I can't believe it's still done. And every time I meet someone, I go, you circumcise your baby?

18:21And they go, yeah. I go, why? It looks better. For what? The penis photo shoot you guys are doing together? I want it to look like mine. Okay, well, I guess you're not going to be father-son penis models anytime soon. Sorry. Yeah, then you've got the whole hygiene argument. It's like, well, just wash more regularly. Yeah, that may have been a thing, you know, 50, 100 years ago. Everyone has a shower once a day. And worst case scenario, if you feel like you're going to get a Hummer, just say you got to go pee and just give it a lather. Yeah, we've got shower gel and soap nowadays. You know what I thought I invented to promote fellatio?

18:59Wet wipes that taste like honey. So you wet wipe your dick right before a blowjob and she's like, oh, I'm going to come back for more. But someone said to me, it's been invented. The logo is like hot cinnamon buns and they're flavorless. They're for women, but guys could use them, obviously. So the idea of sweet tasting wet wipes has been done, unfortunately. Everything's been invented. Well, on the subject of fellatio, assuming that it's the woman. All right, all right. Take it out. Yeah. I hope you're not dehydrated.

19:36Are you a misogynist? That's a good question. No. But like I, I criticize women a lot. I used to call myself an anti-Femite because the same way that people blame the Jews for all their problems, anti-Semites, I blame women for all my problems. But these aren't normal women. These are, I call them barf, boomer, angry, rudderless females. So when you have women in positions of power, they tend to be cunts. They're not good with power. When they're in corporate power, they sexually harass their young interns. At Vice, I always say we ate our way to the top. All these cougars would fuck us and then we'd get ad dollars.

20:21When they're tough, you know, you see them go up to a cop. What you going to do, bitch? Like, lady, he's six foot five. He's going to throw you away like a banana peel. Stop doing that. So the women that we've been presented with post-feminism, I am against. But like an actual normal woman who got married young and had kids or like, you know, the kindergarten teachers we had when we were young who thought boys will be boys. and they would let us run around and be idiots because they respected men. They didn't have all this spite. But the post-feminist powerful woman, I think, is ruining the West more than black crime, Jewish control, Islamic immigration.

21:08They really are destroying the West. So you're all for the gender role hierarchy. And so are they deep down. Look at them at work. They're miserable. Like your man was happy to come in today. He goes, oh, it'll be a good podcast. A woman, she'd be in her Crocs and her sweatpants, eating Cheetos, watching Netflix. Today's my day off, Liam. All they talk about at work is like, I just want to get home and have a bath. And what do men talk about? Foreskins. besides foreskins we're always like wouldn't it be easier to just lease the truck from your your like make an llc lease the truck and then when you're doing deliveries you're working for yourself and then he pays you as a contractor like we're always trying to make your business better so not only do we love our jobs we love your job because we're in our element they're not in their element well i hear a lot of women say that a woman's work is never done so on that subject should a woman go to work no and and every time i say that they go oh he wants to round up all women which is why i said that thing at the beginning about blacks back to africa because it's a dumb accusation that's not plausible like so i have paddy wagons that go to all these offices and rip them out of their cubicles and then throw them in a van even the ones with a false mustache who thought they i wouldn't catch them and then what do they do they walk around the block and go back in.

22:34All I'm acknowledging is that women, 99 % of women would be happier at home. Now there's Margaret Thatcher, there's Barbara Corcoran, there's Ann Coulter, there's Michelle Malkin, there's very successful women in the workforce. They are anomalies. And women's work is never done when it's creating life, shaping life, making a home. You know, it's insane all the work my wife does that we would never do. Like, let's eat out on the back balcony tonight. You know, we paid all this money for the balcony. If it was me and my daughters away at college, it was just me and my sons, who would just eat like cold spaghetti and go back to a room.

23:15Yeah. We never go on vacation. We never do anything. But it's the women who, they're like the event planner. And when they work in the workforce, like Milo Yiannopoulos and I, we sat at lunch and we're like, all right, we're not ending this lunch until we can find something women are better at or even good at in the workforce. And we came up with real estate agent. This took an hour and a half, by the way. And what is a real estate agent? It's a woman showing you her home. Hi, come on in. We just did the drapes and this is the kitchen. Or did I show you we redid the kitchen? So you show the cupboards and everything.

23:48Your kitchen is incredible, by the way, to go off on a tangent. We had a good time in my kitchen. Yeah, very classy. But let's move on to Charlie Kirk. Okay. Because I never met him. I was due to meet him this year. Oh, shit. Yep. And his assassination reduced me to tears. And I'd never met him. So I can only imagine how that went through the hearts of Americans and people that knew him and his family and his young children. It's fucking horrendous. And he would go around campuses, wouldn't he, debating students and other intellects and indoctrinated fucking morons. But I thought his message was very powerful.

24:28when I thought he was so important and effective, which is why I think someone's taken him out. But I'd like to know, from your point of view, being an American or living in America, is the education system over there dangerous? And also, what is your take on Charlie Kirk getting assassinated? So Marxism, communism, it is a poison. It's a plague. And by the way, a lot of the anti-Semitic stuff, like bitching about Marxists and Bolsheviks. Those are atheists. Those are communist atheists who don't believe in God. And when it gets into something, it infects it. So the teachers' lobbies are incredibly powerful in America, more than tobacco, more than anything.

25:14And they fund both sides. They control the White House. And they are – what does a union want to do? They want more power. They want more job security. and so they make these teachers infallible. They also make them Marxists because if you're a Marxist, you love the union, right? So it's infected them all. So they're all beyond retarded. They're all activists. They're all barf, boomerangry, rudderless females. And they have destroyed education in America. No one in America, no public school student knows anything. You know way more about American history than your average high school student. They can't fucking read, dude.

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25:57They cannot read. I'm not exaggerating. Like Dr. Seuss is way over their heads. So these retards who actually come out of school dumber than when they went in, the only thing they know is propaganda. They don't know reading, writing, arithmetic. They go to college, which is beyond indoctrination. They learn a new language. They're hegemony, colonization. Like they say words about intersectionality and all this shit that if you said on the street to anyone, no one would have any idea what you're talking about. So they learn to cling on. They learn a Star Trek language when they're in college. And Charlie had the balls to reach out to them and go, here's like the way I started the show with like blacks back to Africa and my kids will spend half the year with me.

26:43He would just say, like, play it through. I've heard this with junkies, actually, when they go to N.A., Narcotics Anonymous. They go, man, I want a beer. And N.A., they go, play it through. You're going to have a beer. Then you're going to have two. Then you're going to have three. Then you're going to have a shot. Then you're going to want to get some nose beers. And then you're going to be high on Coke. And you're going to go, let's do some smack. I'll just do a line. And your tolerance is going to be low because you haven't done it in two years. And you're going to OD. So one Budweiser is going to kill you.

27:12Play it through. And that's what Charlie would do. He would sit back calmly. He put his mic down and that's where the position he got shot in. And he would say, play it through. So America's racist. So you as a black person have no opportunities. Why are you at college? One time he did this Q &A and this black guy goes, a truck full of mega supporters called me the N-word on campus. It happened twice in one day. And Charlie just goes, you're lying. That didn't happen. It clearly didn't happen. This is a very profound moment in American history. And I liken it to Martin Luther King. That's a blasphemous thing to say.

27:49He's a god in America. I don't know why. Plagiarist, prostitute, banging Marxist. But anyway, before he was assassinated in 69, people were like, yeah, blacks have it bad, but I don't really care. And then he got shot and everyone went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That was a nice guy. What has been going on now? What is this? It's kind of like the way I was with 9-11. I didn't really care about geopolitics until those towers went down. I sort of went, whoa, whoa, whoa. What's been happening here behind my back? So after 1969, blacks were cool overnight. And you had the Black Panthers with the big afros and the big straw chairs and holding the spears and the guns and back to Africa.

28:34And that was throughout the 60s and 70s. I'm sorry, throughout the 70s. And then you had, you know, disco and everyone wanted to be black and it was funky and rap and sports and everyone had black guys on their jerseys. And he made blacks cool for half a century. Now it's sort of like, OK, enough with the cool. I think what's happening with Charlie Kirk is going to be the exact same thing where people who aren't really invested in the culture wars, they're like, whatever. Yeah, I get it. Trans men shouldn't be in women's sports. I don't have a daughter. He got shot in the neck and people were like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

29:09That wasn't Malcolm X you shot. That was Martin Luther King. That's one of the good guys. He wanted to shake hands. He said you should be judged by the content of your character, not the color of your skin. Charlie Kirk literally quoted Martin Luther King. And I think all of America woke up and they're like, all right, that's it. Fuck this. It's on. We're fixing this problem. I care about the culture wars. We're making America great again, which, by the way, doesn't mean 1862. It means 1986. It means mullets, jet skis, wraparound glasses, wet T-shirt contests. Hip to be square. Slapping asses.

29:47Wedging nerds. Wedging nerds. Yes. Hanging them on the basketball net by their underwear where they can't get down. And they're like, guys, guys. That's what we want to get back to. And we are getting back to that now. Bring back bullying. Bring back bullying. It worked. We got computers out of it. I say it was sad. But the last word that Charlie Kirk said as he leant back was violence. Yeah. I know this because I watched that clip far too many times. Not, I mean, curiosity does kill the cat. I couldn't believe my eyes. And I wanted it embedded in my brain never to forget that moment, never to give up the fight, to keep pushing forward, spreading his word.

30:32What was your, let's talk feelings for five seconds. I felt, I'm so glad you said that because I felt the exact same way. Like with the Ukrainian refugee having her throat slit, I looked away immediately and wished I had never seen it and I would never show it to anyone. I watched the Charlie Kirk assassination a hundred times and it's burnt in my mind like a coin. You know what a challenge coin is? They have them in the Marines. Everyone has them. Proud Boys have them, Cops have them, and you're supposed to carry it with you at all times. If I slam it down on the bar and you don't have yours, you've got to buy the bar a round of drinks.

31:05So it's a dude tradition and they have different emblems on them and they say like Marine Corps or whatever, blah, blah, blah, 45th Precinct, NYPD. I have a challenge coin in my head of Charlie Kirk leaning back like the blood spilling out. And I want it to stay burned in there because it's different. And I don't know why this is, but it's different than the refugee. With the refugee, it's consequential, as consequential. And it's about, you know, black crime and leftist fatigue. But it's deeply sad. With Charlie, it's obviously deeply sad, but it's also a call to arms. Like, this is war. Politeness is over.

31:47This is our moment. This is our catalyst for World War I. This is Franz Ferdinand. This is Pearl Harbor. Like you just kicked it off, boy. Yeah, if that doesn't make you stand up, what will? Because it's not JFK, it's not Trump, it's not a president, it's an activist. The only activist that reached out, I don't reach out, fuck you. If you're a leftist and you want to be friends, I laugh and shove you into a ditch. And Charlie didn't like that about my group, where we are on the political spectrum. He would never have me on his show, and I totally get that. But his thing was, I'm not Gavin. I'm not a proud boy.

32:24I'm not that world. I want to be friends with them. And I was like, okay, have fun. And you killed a fucking moderate. That's why I keep using MLK analogies because he reached out. And he never insulted any of them. No. He never got petty like the way we do. Like Alex Stein does his character Charlie Kerp. And he does the same thing. And he totally degrades these students and mocks them. He's relentless. It's fucking hilarious. But Alex has no intention of helping these kids. Charlie, he changed minds. And that's the biggest threat. There's no bigger threat to the radical left than someone who is influential, especially with young people.

33:06I mean, who would kill Charlie Kirk? Them, the left, an activist, a Marxist. I'll tell you who would kill Charlie Kirk. Go on Twitter right now and you will see people gloating, laughing, saying you're next, saying I feel sorry for the bullet. bringing up, and this is DAs, this is school coaches. This isn't just purple-haired freaks. These are establishment leftists, people that teach our kids, and they're gloating about this death. That's who killed him. Yeah, that's about as insane rhetoric as I've ever seen. And I've gone on X today, and I've had to switch off. And as much as I want to make them famous by retweet and quoting how much of a scumbag they are, I just haven't got the heart to have it on my thread.

33:51I just want pictures of Charlie Kirk on my thread. Remember this man. I want them all fired. I want to fucking meet them in an alleyway. Oh, yeah. Like, that's what I mean about this assassination. Politeness is over. There's no more, well, here, like, you killed our nicest guy. He's a liberal for fuck's sakes. He's not even a conservative. He has the same politics, and I'm using present tense because his ideas live on. He has the same politics as Obama did in 2007. And Obama, Clinton, they were against gay marriage. They wanted strong borders. They said the content of your character, not the color of your skin.

34:28They weren't into identity politics. They never would have tolerated men in women's sports. That's sexist. Men are dominating women. And he just stuck to those normal liberal values, and they killed him for it because he's not radical enough. That just shows you how fucking radical they are. Yeah, deeply, deeply upsetting. So rest in peace, Charlie Kirk. and also the Ukrainian refugee, let's just say her name. I know that before we spoke, we was trying to make sure we got the pronunciation right, but it's important that we remember her name over the guy that done that. He's going to be dead soon by what I've read.

35:04Ideally. I think he's getting the death sentence. Really? I'm pretty sure Trump said the only punishment for him is the death penalty. Yeah, but our justice system is torpid. So could that change? It'll be a 10-year process, and he'll get pardoned because the Kardashians will fight for his rights. Nothing's going to happen in a year the way we want it to. That's the way it works in America. And that's why she's an important catalyst too because black crime is totally out of control and it is a black problem and it's time that black people acknowledge this. The same way I think the only way to deal with radical Islam is if these moderates call them out.

35:41We need black people saying this is an issue here. And they're not. They're gloating too. And I think with both Charlie and the refugee, how do we say her name? Is it Irina Zaryotska? Irina Zaryotska. If we've got that wrong, apologies. It's obviously an unfamiliar name, but we want her name to be remembered. Yes. The same way he was a catalyst, she's a catalyst because she shows us that we have a real racial problem in America, but it's not the one we thought we had. We have deep-seated animosity for white people in America. And it's from these Marxists brainwashing our children. And it's on all sides.

36:17White people hate white people. Black people hate white people. I think most of the anti-Semitism you're seeing is anti-white-ism. And they say as much. They say Israel is on stolen land. Australia is on stolen land. There was a Palestinian conference recently in New York where they talked about how we have to not just abolish Israel from the river to the sea. We need to abolish America. So they don't care about Russia and Ukraine because that's white on white crime. But they see Israel and Palestine is white on brown and you always root for the brown underdog. And that's defined American politics for far too long.

36:54And I think it's finally over. Like the way they looked at her when her throat was slit, it was like you're watching two dogs fucking or something. It was like mildly amusing. At one point, some black kid comes up and just films her. And they both died the exact same way, too. The juggler vein, giving out all your blood. You've only got a couple pints of that. As soon as you see that, as soon as I saw that first spurt from Charlie, I was like, he's obviously dead. Oh, I knew. He would be dead in a hospital if he was shot in a hospital. There was no doubt in my mind. When people were hopeful, I was realistic, and there's just no way a man's coming back from that.

37:31No. No way. For moral arteries, jugglers, you're toast. The Ukrainian conflict. What's your take on that whole conflict? I don't care. I'm a Western chauvinist. I only care about the West. Now, I care in that this conflict might lead to Western issues. But, you know, Putin got two areas that he likes in Ukraine. I'm told the Ukrainians speak Russian there and they like it. Okay. You know, it's the same way about Israel and Palestine. Same way I feel about America. We fought the Indians for 320 years. We eventually won. Sorry. But who's the good guy and who's the bad guy? Putin or Zelensky? I don't like either of them.

38:11It's like, what was his name? Henry Kissinger was asked in the Iran-Iraq war. They go, who do you think should win? And Kissinger goes, ugh, can't they both lose? Is there any way we can fucking rig that? I don't want to get involved. Like, we sent 200 billion over there. Why did we do that? We shouldn't be involved. We're not the world's police. And we shouldn't be funding wars, period. No, never. No. Not Israel, not Ukraine. And it's funny how people that are right of center get accused of being all sorts of things when I think we're the ones that want peace the most. And you know what? If we're going to do this, let's not be half-assed.

38:46Okay, so we are the world police. All right, I want Greenland. I want all those resources. They're owned by the Danes. I think their entire army is smaller than the NYPD. So we're taking that. And we're rebuilding the trains in India. and we're cleaning up this garbage. We're taking it back. Jamaica, that's ours. Singapore, we're taking it back. Hong Kong, sorry, China, I changed my mind. We're keeping it. So, like, we have the worst part of the world policing without the good bits. So you've got, you're part Canadian, part Scottish, part British. You've got a bit of everything in you, but why do the Canadians and the Scots support Palestine so vehemently?

39:25Dude, it's the most frustrating part of my life. Am I imagining that, am I? No, it's what I was talking about, the underdog obsession. And it's the David and Goliath thing, which is a cool concept. And in movies, you root for the little guy. You know, every movie, it's the Bad News Bears. And they're a hodgepodge group of rebels who end up winning the Little League World Series. And it's the story of the American Revolution, right? There's a bunch of random people got in the trees, including George Washington, who used to fight for the British. And they beat the British Empire back by cheating, basically, and hiding and shooting them from behind.

40:06So they take this generally cool concept, and then it just becomes dogma. And in Scotland, they hate the English with such a vehement passion for no fucking reason. There's no jobs there anymore. So Scotland is basically a charity case. The oil that they have is England owns. It's in the North Sea. Shipbuilding has gone to India. What do you got, whiskey? B, don't bite the hand that feeds you, all right? You're lucky that the Bank of Scotland has their headquarters in Edinburgh. It's a charity case. Canada does it with the East Coast, too. They put all the government offices in Newfoundland. And Canada is the same way.

40:41Fuck America. They just elected a prime minister based on the fact that he hates Trump. 80 % of Canada's economy is contingent on American business, and you're telling them to fuck off. You can't even get American bourbon at Canadian liquor stores, which are all owned by the government, by the way. And you see this in Glasgow with the Palestinian worship, the fucking Glasgow Celtics waving their Palestinian flags. They've been doing this for decades, by the way, way before October 7th. And you go, you understand that you have zero in common with these Palestinians. They all would kill you in a heartbeat.

41:15They don't like you. Every time an activist goes there to get involved, like that Italian kid, I forget his name, you want to be part of the movement, they just killed him. Get out of here, Westerner. You make us sick. You infidel, you blasphemer. So they start out with this concept of I like the underdog. And it just becomes this myopic mantra of underdog, underdog. I fucking hate the English. Like my gran, I go, gran, why do you hate the English so much? I don't know. I just do. And then Canadians, when I was growing up in Canada in high school, you'd have to write an essay. What makes me Canadian?

41:51And it was always like, well, I'm not a racist. and I don't like country music. I call it the Elvis brother syndrome, where if you asked Elvis's brother, what defines you? And he'd be like, well, I don't wear blue suede shoes and I don't have a hound dog. And I'm like, no, you. I'm not talking about Elvis. And Canadians do it, the Scots do it. Irish. And the Irish. Dude, if you wear a MAGA hat in Ireland now, you'll be jumped. And they have so much more in common with Trump than anyone else. But the Irish, at least they have more of a, well, I guess the Scots have the 600-year war. But the Irish hate the English and they hate Americans and they hate success.

42:36It's a socialist mentality. You know, there's a famous joke about this guy selling Canadian lobsters. And this woman goes, what are your lobsters is getting out of the bucket behind you there? And he doesn't look behind him. He goes, no, they're Canadian. The others will just pull them back in if he starts getting too far. And that's what the Irish do. Like they eschew success. And, you know, there was that record label that had the undertones. And Virgin Records, whatever, offered him like 500 ,000 pounds. And he's like, you can have them for free. The undertones don't belong to the record label.

43:09They belong to the people. Like, well, way to go. You have a newborn and you guys are broke and now you're getting divorced. So I'm glad you don't take money from corporate. They just got the money, by the way. The undertones are wildly successful for them. And it's this stupid socialist mentality I see in Canada, Ireland, and Scotland, where they're too cool for money, they're too cool for success. Okay, well, someone else is just going to get it. Like that band, I used to be friends with Crass, the punk band. They're up in Essex now. And they never copyrighted their logo, their famous logo, or any of their merch.

43:41And punk sort of shaped your life, didn't it? Oh, yeah, Crass especially. They dumped me after Trump. But we used to spend summers there at their squat up in Essex at Dial House. But I go, okay, congratulations. You never sold out. You understand that some Indian dude at a booty shop is selling crass stuff. He's getting the money. It's going to his kids. They just almost lost their farm because they don't really own it. And they had to borrow money from friends and capitalists. And all because they were too cool to collect money. It's so fucking frustrating. I think it's important that people take notice of people that are jealous of success because they're dangerous.

44:26Yeah. They're not harmless sort of layabouts. They're vindictive, vengeful, horrible fuckers. So much spite. Yeah. Yes, there is success that was contingent on polluting a river. Okay. Now you think anyone who has money is cheated somehow. And they say that all the time. You have more than a million dollars. then you've fucked someone over. No, you worked your fucking ass off. Yeah, busted your balls for your entire adult life. Yeah, you want to get rich in commercial real estate? Okay, it's about a 20-year endeavor. You better be prepared to work 60 hours a week, weekends all the time. You start with one little building and you work your way up.

45:06It's brutal, but yeah, you will get rich. And then when that guy finally gets rich, this stupid underdog mentality of like, I need all your money. You know what someone brought up recently? They go, wait a minute. In America, if you're making more than like 300 grand a year, your taxes are damn close to 50 percent. So that means for six months of the year, you work for free. You work for the government. Now, cotton picking was not a year-round thing. They had a cotton season. I think it was like two months. I don't know what slaves did for the rest of the time. Probably mulled about. Freelance.

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46:44on their own. They're waiting for you. The crispy chicken crunch wrap slider, a brand new classic, is back. Only at Taco Bell. What's it like living in your neighborhood as Gavin McGinnis? Because, I mean, you're the most censored person in the States. For those that don't know, I'm going to put a thumbnail after this interview for our first one so you can get a better idea of Gavin. But Gavin is the most censored person in the States. Joe Rogan was ordered to remove both of your interviews. Otherwise, he was going to lose his Spotify deal just to give my audience an idea of how censored you are.

47:15So what's that like offline in your own neighborhood? Well, the left, they're all drones. They get a dictum from above. And that's why you'll notice on liberal media, they'll use the same word, like Russian collusion. I'd never heard the word collusion before, but it was collusion, collusion, collusion. Or they'll say like, when the Proud Boys got in a fight with Antifa, they said, hate has no place in New York. The mayor said that, the DA, the governor, they're all using the same verbiage. So I was quite popular in my neighborhood when we first moved there. My daughter was, we kind of came from New York City and we're out in the burbs.

47:49So it'd be like going from London to Essex and, oh, you're the London family. You know, you lived in Shepherd's Bush or whatever. So that had status in a silly way. And then one day, October 12th, 2018, Proud Boys got in a fight and the right, the DNC, the Wizard of Oz, said, And, ooh, this is good because Antifa was getting known as violent and they're our paramilitary wing, so we can't criticize them. But we needed to accuse the right of having their own paramilitary wing. So we used Proud Boys. So I became a pariah overnight and these leftists in my neighborhood, they could not wait to pick up the mantra.

48:28And I literally overnight, my house is vandalized, you know, eggs. It feels blasphemous to say all this with someone who knows Tommy Robinson because I can't hold a candle to that motherfucker. But, like, car vandalized, food. I live in a rich neighborhood, so a lot of food. Chicken on the car, fish on the front lawn. Frank Caviar here. Your bulletproof windows. There was literally a fish on the lawn, so almost. I don't know if the fish was pregnant, but it could have been caviar. Zeke Hiling me when I'm walking my dog. Signs. Hey, there's no home here, signs. My wife just sent me a tweet. Some guy said, I bet you the guy who shot Charlie Kirk has a hate has no home here sign on his lawn.

49:08The whole – all my neighbors all have these signs up the road. And my buddy was dropping me off once and he goes, dude, it's like an 8-year-old black girl was killed by the Klan on your street. And they're saying like Klan doesn't belong here anymore. And the thing that drives me nuts about all this is I obviously don't mind getting attacked. I don't mind fist fighting. But your kids see these signs when they come home from school. Your wife is bawling her eyes out. She's apolitical. She voted for Hillary. She was a vegan. She's red-pilled now. And then they ostracize the kids. The kids can't go to any parties.

49:42So they're sitting at home alone pretending they don't know you. When I sent my daughter to boarding school, I'd say we were divorced. So my name didn't appear on the thing, which I know a lot of guys have had to do. you know I could give you some here's one tiny example and just multiply this by 10 ,000 my kid was four at the time his babysitter was told my son's babysitter's boyfriend was told tell Lizzie is her name to stop working for the McInnes or you're going to break up with her which if my parents said that when I was 17 I'd be like okay dad yeah sure see ya Bye. She's totally dumped, Dad.

50:25Oh, no way, Jose. Yeah, she's going. Anywho, I'm off to her house now. She said, no, I'm not stopping babysitting this little tiny kid. And my kids are Native American, so they look kind of Asian. And they're the only indigenous family in the neighborhood, but these liberals can't wait to terrorize them. So she said no. So he dumped her because she was working for the McInnesis, and that's not something we want. Like this, examples like this go on and on and on. How do you deal with that level of hatred? You've got to box. If you're a woman, go to these aerobic things where you just hit a water bag.

51:04Boop. Okay, guys, let's do it. And uppercuts, uppercuts. You have to box every day. Women can't punch. Women should not go to normal boxing gyms. It looks, you look ridiculous when you go. I would put my scrotum in between your glove and the heavy bag. The misogynist sliding back in there again. I would take my newborn and put him in between your glove and the heavy bag to wake him up. He'd be like, what time is it? But men, you've got to spar. You've got to hit the heavy bags every day. You've got to weight train. And I've noticed if, like, whatever, if you get boxer's fracture in your knuckles, if I can't box for a while, it's the hatred starts creeping up.

51:47the resentment because these people came, they terrorized my wife and children. So you vent your anger in the gym. It's the only way. I highly recommend it. You've got to get in shape. You've got to, I call it Irish therapy because you're going to do something stupid. At the beginning, my wife would like write letters to them. And then they win. Yeah. And she did the Charlie Kirk thing. She reached out and said, if anyone wants to come meet me, like this one idiotic Jewish woman, she said, I'd like to take up your offer for a cup of tea. And my wife's bawling. Like she was, she had a nervous breakdown and she was like, okay, okay.

52:19And then the woman said, but I'm Jewish. Would I be allowed in your home? Like I'm going to go, what the hell? I come home with my white cowboy hat. We got a Jew in the house. What did I tell you about goddamn Jews in the house? Like what cartoon are you people living in? That's when you make the grand announcement. I'm a Zionist. Yeah. Yeah. They don't care. They don't give a shit. And you know what? But after October 7th, not to get back into the J's, but after October 7th, the secular Jews, I call them Jynos. The Jays. Jews in name only. They saw, wait a minute, we thought MAGA were the Nazis.

52:56We thought that if they were protesting Israel or Jews or talking about River of the Sea, it would be all MAGA hats. But I look outside and I see the Muslim refugees, we said, are welcome here. I see the Marxist students that I've been teaching in my class about how evil white people are. And I see the black people that I thought were cool and we would go to hip-hop shows and dance to music. My three best buddies are saying kill the Jews. And the MAGA guys are going, I told you we're not the bad guys. You created a golem. And the crazy part is they have amnesia. And I don't think secular leftist Jews learned anything from those protests.

53:37And they're back to Trump, MAGA, you know, Red Hat is a Nazi. They didn't learn anything from that. So a lot of people in the States just so lost that they're kind of being flipped around the pinball table like a ball bearing. Well, it's a sports culture and you choose your team. So like Bill Clinton, you know, fucks his intern. Oh, well, people, you know, people get horny. Trump allegedly pays off a stripper. Fuck him. He's evil. And nary the two show meat. And people always talk about. We've now got that level of hypocrisy over here. I think we've inherited it from you guys. Really? Well, part of it is social media.

54:13You push out all these other names, all these other views, and then the other becomes satanic and you just have your team. And so they don't know anything about us and I don't want to know anything about them. We've had a divorce a long time ago. And one of my favorite things with divorced couples when they have to talk about like their kid's school, college or something, I go, is there a little spark there? Are we rekindling? And they always go, no, no. And that's where we are. We could not be more separate. And I think what happened with Charlie Kirk and the refugee this week, Jesus, did you not wipe your ass?

54:53I wonder if the camera's going to pick up on that fly. Yeah, that's a fly joke, everyone. You and me keep going out of focus, but they get the fly. Yeah.

55:02Now that fly distracted me from what I was talking about. It did me too. Well, 2025 in the UK, we have now got scumbags moralizing on the internet. Yeah. completely unaware of their own reflection. Social media, I think. The internet is as separate as quite a bit, and they don't know us anymore. And I blame the left for this. Well, people double down online and they get brave, don't they? Yeah. You know what's great? England and America, like the American Revolution was a British civil war. It was the British working class against the British elites. And right before that, I got it handed to the British elites.

55:34They said, we want you guys to train yourselves with guns because we don't want to be policing you. So we learned about guns. That was your fault. You taught us about guns. And then this, no one knows this, but all along, because America was just the East Coast for the longest time, right? The 13 colonies. The Brits said, I want there to be a right-wing paper and a left-wing paper in every town. And I want to foment debate. So an intrinsic part of American culture is left and right arguing with guns in their hands. And we argued so much, we go, let's get the British out of here. That was who we were for centuries.

56:10You know, you turn on the TV, it was Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley in the 60s arguing left and right, left and right. We were doing that right up until, I don't know if you want to blame Obama, if you want to blame social media, the internet, but we've lost that left and right debate thing. Now it's a full-on divorce, and I think these two murders this week have shown us that we're irreconcilable. When you talk about the media, the mainstream media, I don't see a great deal of left and right media over in the States. I just see a hell of a lot of woke media. Yes. When did it become so woke and why?

56:44There's only one. There's Fox News. And they're relatively new. It's all been lefties. This is what started. You're not going to believe this. So Watergate was the biggest controversy of the 70s. It was stupid. Nixon recorded everything. And yeah, he recorded some things he shouldn't have. Big whoop. So they had this guy, Woodward, and he was with the Navy there. He was a government official. And he was sent in to blow up Watergate. So he gets a job at the New York Times overnight from the Navy. And all of a sudden, he blew up Watergate. So that's lame. It's a psyop. They did it to get rid of Nixon.

57:22He was a fantastic president. The left liked the story. They loved mocking Nixon because he was anti-hippie and he made fun of them. So they did a movie, and it was Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman, two very sexy men. And they were the New York Times reporter. One of them played Woodward himself, and they busted Watergate. The boomers saw that movie, and they're like, I want to be a journalist. So that became a whole wave of New York Times. All the boomers at the New York Times are there because of that stupid fucking movie. And then they brainwashed their Gen X staff and now the Millennial staff.

57:57So all of it comes from an accidental psyop with a couple of hunks thrown in for good measure. And that's why – that's the core of the American media ethos. And that's why you have guys like Don Lamont talking about how Antifa, they're anti-fascist. It's in the name. Like they have that cartoon – remember the white cowboy hat? That's their view of the world. Trump is a white supremacist. Charlie Kirk is a white supremacist. They all want blacks to go back to Africa. They think Trump is deporting these people because he doesn't like brown people. Not that they're illegal or they're in drug cartels or child sex trafficking.

58:37He's just like, why do we got them brown people in here? Get them out of here. I'm going to ask you a question that I may hate the answer to. Do I find you attractive? Do you find me attractive? Yes. I have an erection right now. What is it about me you find the most attractive? Did you hear my erection? I did. You're like... It almost knocked the table over. That was the table. That's why it's leaning. Your dick got hard and the wall started to vibrate. That sound was my jeans ripping. Now, here's the question I think I might hate the answer to. I'm hoping I don't. Now, I used to love Robert De Niro.

59:13Robert De Niro in Cape Fear for me was just one of the best times of my life. One of the best 90 minutes of my life. So good. Was watching Robert De Niro playing... Was it Max Cady? Good day, counselor. He rolls up and the guy says, what do you want,$10 ,000? Well, let's see now. 11 years. Yeah. And he does the math. That's not even minimum wage. Could you be there? Fuck. So I used to love De Niro. Then I saw his political fucking twisted view. And now I hate him, which is such a shame because I loved him before. The thing about De Niro is he was great at playing a tough guy. He's a fag. Yes. His dad is a poet, literal homosexual in the West Village.

59:57They would, you know, he's part of the whole hipster New York art scene. He's a theater kid and he's handsome and he's got that rugged Italian look. So the Cape Cod guy, that's like a queer playing, butchering it up and playing a tough guy. He's, you got to see him as a theater kid. His head is very deceiving. I know people that have worked with De Niro, and they said he's a very odd, introverted, kind of awkward guy. Yeah. He's not the man you think he is from his films. No, look at the bitches he fucks. They're all twos.

1:00:32Even now, he's dating this Asian woman who looks like some Kung Fu teacher from the 1800s. I mean, wow. Yeah, you wouldn't catch Al Pacino fucking twos. Oh, no. We like Al. Yes, Al's still good, and the only guy who knew a Puerto Rican. That was always the question. Who's your favorite, Al Pacino or Robert De Niro? And it was always Al Pacino for me. And I'm glad because that still remains. I've heard you refer to yourself as the N-word. Why would you ever refer to yourself as the N-word? I am an N-word. Thomas Sowell blames black behavior on Scottish people. He says when the slaves were freed, they didn't have culture.

1:01:09And then they'd see the Scots walk into a room and be like, Hello, faggots, what's going on here? And drinking and grabbing asses. Let's fucking party. And they're like, oh, okay, let's fucking party. It's a bit much to blame all of black bad behavior on Scots, but there is some truth to it. And I was telling my friend about the way I live in my neighborhood. Like, I can't move yet. I will move. But my son is very good at baseball, and it's a big baseball town. So he's like a David Beckham. There's only so much caviar you can take me a front at your house. He's the third best in our town. So we're not leaving.

1:01:49He's going to get a scholarship to play baseball in college. So I go to the games, and I can see them all like, ugh. And I've got, like, my tattoos, and I come there. And the way I act is like a black in the 50s where I go, like, I don't want no trouble now. I'm going to just sit over here. And I'm, like, wringing my bucket hat. Oh, no, no, no, don't talk to me now. And then someone will be cool with blacks. So they'll come over. Like, I don't sit with the parents. I'm over here like, just minding my own business now, using a separate water fountain and everything. But occasionally a guy will be like, I actually like Negroes.

1:02:25So he'll come over to me and be like, hey, Mr. McKenzie. Look, I don't want no trouble now. You don't mind your reputation by coming over here now. You just sit over there. And like at picnics and stuff, I just sort of am in the corner like, I don't want no trouble. and then i realized wait a minute i am uh an n well the n was yeah like in the car i'm blaring dance hall i got these these subwoofers under the seats of my 2000 jaguar which is an n mobile um like white people see my car and they're like what the what are you doing with that black people like damn is this your everyday vehicle you're driving this every day and i've got all my rings I'm like, yeah.

1:03:09And I'm wearing like a yellow tartan suit that's custom made. Like, damn, nice suit. I like that suit. Like, I wear the most ridiculous suits you've ever seen. Because I'm Scottish, so they're all tartan. But blacks wear tartan suits too on a Sunday. So like, I got to say, motherfucker, that is one hell of a suit.

1:03:29With my dance hall shaking the windows, you know. Even like the British version with, I was sending you that Chase and Status song, Liquor and Cigarettes. it's so loud my kids are crying at times and I'll be saying jokes like the boner joke I'll be saying that at dinners where everyone is like I had dinner with Ann Coulter and some doctors, it was a very fancy dinner and I was like hey guys, how much would you have to be paid to let a homeless man fuck you in the ass? FX's American Horror Story returns for an unrivaled 13th installment with the iconic horrors you love to fear and an all-star cast reprising fan-favorite roles.

1:04:12Light your candles, draw your pentagrams, and prepare for a supreme surprise. FX's American Horror Story 13. Now streaming on Hulu. You fell in love at first crunch, and now the crispy chicken crunch wrap slider is back at Taco Bell. But with a twist, it's crispy all-white meat chicken nuggets inside a slider-sized crunch wrap. But now you can enjoy them with the kick of Hidden Valley Diablo Ranch. Or try the tortilla chip-coated nuggets on their own. They're waiting for you. The Crispy Chicken Crunchwrap Slider, a brand new classic, is back. Only at Taco Bell. What was the answer? Well, I think it's a very involved question.

1:04:57That's why I brought it up. It's like a two-hour discussion. Because one of the problems is you buy a mansion with an indoor pool and people come over and they're like, this is beautiful. How did you get the money? And you have to go, I let a homeless man fuck me in the ass. And then like, gross. So you can't really enjoy your mansion. So after two hours, the answer is$7 million. But$3 million goes to charity, an entrepreneur fund. And men who have been raped by homeless men are free to stay there. It's like a shelter for victims of homeless man rape. Now it's not as gross. So she was furious with me for saying that.

1:05:35And I was like, yeah, I'm an N. Like here's another example that was very N of me. There's this guy, Andrew McCarthy. I don't like him. He got Derbyshire fired. But he's – no. He's part of the conservative elites. They all work at National Review and they're the snobs of the conservative scene. And they love giving the vampire a vial of blood. So we're at this talk. Andrew McCarthy just wrote a book about free speech and Islam. him. Meanwhile, he got someone fired for being racist, John Derbyshire. So fuck you. But so I'm in a bad mood already. And we've got Greg Lukianoff of FIRE, which is a free speech activist group.

1:06:13He cuts up all his food before he eats it, which I find really annoying. And they're all looking at the New York Times woman, who's just some big titted cunt with a fucking ponytail who hates us all. And why are we? I'm watching her drink her vials of our blood and I just want to slap it out of her hand and they're all like and uh they go i think what is happening with isis this is a few years ago right i think what's happening with isis now is a strategy is to sort of win hearts and minds in more affluent countries like iran and you know saudi arabia dubai let's get these rich people on our side and that can help with the funding these words actually said yes isis are going to win the hearts and minds of people i'm paraphrasing but but and i'm sitting down here at the end of the table and I goes I couldn't help but notice why are we talking about a bunch of retarded inbred savages like there's any sort of grand plan and everyone went oh my god and they both look at everyone looks at the New York Times reporter who's like oh okay scribbling it down I'm an N that's an N thing to do I'm crass and rude and I behave badly I'm proud and proud yeah Too proud.

1:07:24Look at these rings. That's ridiculous. Yeah, look at the clues. That's not a normal person. Anything bad I could say about blacks behaving badly outside of violent crime, I'm guilty of myself. Hold my beer.

1:07:41Even in the car, I got in and it was this East Indian and he smelled bad. And I was like, oh, God. I wound down the window because it was BO. And then I started farting my hangover farts. that totally overpowered him. I'm like, who's the bad? Are we the baddies? Maybe I'm the baddie here. That's the gradual competitive streak that is. You think you got what it takes? Who's laughing now, Muhammad? That's the title of the podcast. Yeah, that's the thumbnail. The police in the States. See, over here, there's protests everywhere. outside migrant hotels in London, week in, week out. The police over here, they seem to be ferrying in counter-protesters, which stand up to racism.

1:08:30There is no racism to stand up to. Antifa, the usual imbeciles, same faces, different locations, clearly paid, but they're ferried in, and I feel like they're being protected over here. So I'm curious just to know, in America, are the police on the wrong or right side of history? So I'm a cop guy. There's a NYPD shield. I hang out with cops a lot. I don't get the British police. Like when you get the call, someone that might have announced a Mandela job on Twitter. You got to go check it out. Do they go, oh, for fuck sikes. Like when you sign up to be a cop, it's because you played cops and robber as a kid and you want to save the damsel in distress.

1:09:06Oh, there's a girl in the tower and there's bad men there. And you go, I'll be right there. Get down. Get down. We catch bad guys, bank robbers. That's why you become a cop. And now you're chasing down a tweet. So I don't know any British – well, I have family in British police, but I don't quite get them, especially when they hate Tommy. That's really confusing to me. He wants to stop crime. But in America, you kind of have two generations. DEI is big now. I'll use the NYPD as an example. So the new cops, they're from Africa, Zimbabwe. They're from China. Half of them don't speak English. They're allowing Arabic on their badges.

1:09:44They have turbans on. they don't understand like nudge nudge wink wink stuff like he's not that drunk let him go or yeah you know i i have police badges on my dash i used to not get tickets now i get tickets because the guy is like you have parked in a wrong spot so you'll get a ticket i'm like yes that's technically true but we have kind of a why are you winking what is in your eye okay fuck it here's So the old school, you know, they understood how to do the job. And it takes some what they call wood shampoo. That's the truncheons. It takes tuning up a fella once in a while. Wood shampoo. I've never heard that.

1:10:24Yeah. That's fucking brilliant. Yeah. Oh, cops are the funniest people. They say things like, how many cops does it take to push a perp down the stairs? None. He fell. And crime was handled. And yeah, they were crass and rude. You got to be. You just saw a guy beat a baby to death. There's a dead baby at the house with a fist in its skull. You need to be able to they all end up alcoholics, you know, and that school, you know, Giuliani in the 90s. He's fixed New York, which is just unfathomable to me. Someone fixed the biggest city in America, which is if it's basically the biggest country in the world.

1:11:04I mean, this you got India and China. That's cheating. It's the biggest real country in the world. You know, it's up to like 360 million now. So you take New York's probably 7 million in the day. And Giuliani just went in there and with the cops and zero tolerance for bullshit, he fixed the city. It was beautiful. You could walk around nude at 3 in the morning with$100 bills taped to your body dancing around like a queer. And now you can't walk around with a dollar in your pocket or a Mexican gang is going to hold you up. So I don't know what the future of the cops is One funny thing that's happening now is They're all black and brown and Hispanic So I don't know what's going to happen with this whole cops are racist thing Yeah They're going to be screwed They'll find a way Well, yeah, because the police cams They'll choose something else They just hope you can't see the cop's hand in the shot His black hand come in They want to just They'll get called coconuts or something Yeah, yeah, yeah That's what they're doing now Black police showing out for the white cop But when they're all, there's no white cops to show out to.

1:12:06I don't know what they're going to say. The body cams have been a boon. The cops were very worried about them when they came out. But now the whole like, she was killed, Sandra Bland. She was killed for having her taillight out. No, she was a lunatic. We stopped her for having her taillight out. She's berated the cop, turned it into a major thing, ended up in a cell to calm down where she hanged herself. And it was her 15th suicide attempt. So the narrative of the evil, was there a Jew in my house, cop, has been dispelled by the body cams. And now, like, that's why the left is so erratic, because all of their tropes have died.

1:12:46They don't know what to do anymore. Before I ask you the final question, and I know that people will be sticking around for the final question, because they probably want me to ask you another 10 questions, but we need to go and have a beer, because what we're going to do... We're alcoholics. We're alcoholics, but I think today of all days, we should raise a glass for Charlie Kirk and the fallen from September the 11th. And we'll do that together. Absolutely. Yeah. But before the final question, where can people find you? Because it's just one website because social media, you're extinct, isn't you?

1:13:14Oh, I'm glad you brought that up. I almost forgot. My site is called Censored.TV. It's the only place you can find me. I'm still banned on Twitter. Censored.TV. You can see plenty of more of Gav there. We do a show every day. On Thursday nights, we do a show called Cops and Robber, where cops and a felon watch police videos together. And the felon is usually on the bad guy side. The cops are usually on the cop side. And I moderate. Fridays, we have God as a guest. And I just spin a wheel and God decides what we're going to talk about. Casual Mondays is just silly. Tuesdays is very serious news.

1:13:48Wednesdays, we do it with Anthony Cumia, who's a legend. ONA, opening Anthony. And then we also put out T-shirts. This is a shirt we just started putting out. that I got for you. It freaks people. When liberals see it, they don't know what to do. The thing is as well, more so in America, people don't really understand sarcasm. And here we have a prime example of... It's almost like the Zoomer version of that would be a shirt that said racist. And do you know what? If I was to wear this over here now, the Starmer troopers would come and arrest me. Yeah, probably. That's why I got it for you. I wanted you to fight Muslims in jail.

1:14:26You're a good pal, Gavin. But what we're doing with that shirt is like, your allegations are over. Yeah. Like racist doesn't mean anything. I know I'm not racist. It's like calling someone a witch now. Throw what you want at me. I don't care. You might as well be saying voodoo. I curse you with voodoo. Okay, go bananas. See, don't do that. I'm not 100 % voodoo doesn't work. I'm 99.9. Yeah, you don't want to die guessing. So do you know what? My final question was going to be, what does Britain need to look out for? But that's not going to be my final question. My final question is going to be about resilience, pulling together, standing up, fighting against tyranny in light of the recent tragedies we've seen in your country.

1:15:06Charlie Kirk, the refugee, today being September the 11th. Why is it so important that patriots pull together? That's the final question. You've had a civil war for a long time. You had your class system. Before Thatcher, it was upper class and lower class. You were divorced. if you went to a party where people were like, hello, how are you, darling? There'd be no one there going, what are you doing there? You're just fucking mucking about. You'd have two different accents, two different worlds. And you had areas that you fought for. And the posh people got their areas and the working class got theirs, West London versus East London.

1:15:40You've lost a lot of turf with these migrants. And I think the important thing now is you're not getting back together. The working class Brits and the upper class Brits will never be friends. You and Keir Starmer are never having a pint together. But you need land. And you want to claim as much land as you can. And that means closing the borders and being patriotic and, you know, having each other's back and being a strong working class Britain and try to keep the elites as isolated as they can. They left you with the migrants. They don't care. They're not hanging out in Luton. They make it your problem.

1:16:19So you have to say, no, you're not making it my problem. I'm claiming this territory because that's what we've done in America. We've said, I'm not fighting with you anymore. You have Chicago. You can have Manhattan. I have Florida. I have Texas. You have California. And you have New York State. And we've agreed to disagree. So I want as many states as I can get in this quiet civil war. And Britain is in the exact same position. They've had a civil war. There's no reconciliation, as we learned from Charlie. And so just try to get as much land as you can. You're not getting Luton back, but there's hope for, I don't know, Rotherham, Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool.

1:17:01There's still hope. But we've got to pull together. You've got to pull together, have each other's backs, and show up, for fuck's sakes. That's what's so great about these rallies that Tommy puts together, even the ones he doesn't, is you see, you think England's lost when you look from across the pond. They show footage of just, it looks like Lahore, Pakistan or Mumbai. And you go, no, that was Britain. And you go, well, there's no Britain. But on my drive here, you know, I saw Harrington's and Dr. Martin's and beautiful pubs with thatched roofs. And I thought, there's still a Britain here. It's worth fighting for.

1:17:35I'll drink to that. As always, love your company. Appreciate you coming here, flying all the way in. And let's go and raise a glass. and here's to those that have fallen that should have never, ever have fallen. You're not lost. We'll never forget you.

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