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27:32And there's a bit of backstabbing that's gone on there as well, which would correlate with narcissistic patterns of behaviour. They can be brattish, they can be vain, they don't want to share the spotlight. You know, you're prettier than me, I'm going to give you a little stab in the back. So based on actions rather than words, I find him suspicious. I find him dubious, yeah. It is a bit of a cult, I think. Yeah. And again, I'm not slamming anybody. I'm politically homeless. I want to hear all sides of all arguments. And I want to feel that I can rely and trust on someone and something and policies and direction.

28:11But I do think that everybody should snap out a cult mentality and question people they follow. Yeah. It doesn't mean to say that you stop following them or you don't believe in them or you're not going to champion them. But at least analyse them thoroughly and think, can I fully trust you? Are there certain facets that I'm not overly keen on? And then hold them to account. Yeah, we don't need another cult of personality right now. That's not going to lead us anywhere. No, I totally agree. Now, Rupert Lowe, he seems strong, unbudgeable. Do you think he'd make a good leader or too dogmatic? We need strong boundaries.

28:46The people that we are dealing with are very vociferous. They've got loads of energy. They really believe in some strange things. And you've got to push back against them. How agreeable, how open can you be with people like that? Me, personally, I would say zero, none. The right attitude is to say, no, that's nonsense. I'm not hearing it anymore. Shut up. We've listened. We've listened. We've listened for decades now. We've said, oh, the people that we never used to listen to who are on the fringes, people like me, I was woke. It wasn't called woke back then, but a social justice warrior when I was 21, 22 years old.

29:28I was all for that kind of thing. And generally speaking, back in 1999, we weren't listened to very much. And then for some reason, I grew out of it rapidly by the time I went to work, 23, 24, 25. It was like, okay, the world just doesn't, the map of reality I've been given, as I mentioned earlier, is nonsense. That isn't the reason why there is pain and suffering in the world. but for some reason I then watched from like 2007 onward people who were like me, who were woke, who were social justice warriors they were being platformed more and more and more then government started platforming them then businesses and corporations started listening to them and then right the way through to the military, to the Royal Air Force listening to the scandal with the Royal Air Force we don't want any more white men to fly our planes Insight.

30:20It's wild. It's actually beyond belief. It is. I mean, if you wrote a sci-fi story in 2002 and that was part of the story, you would say that, come on. Like, obviously the military's not going to do it because they're held to account. We're tested by Russians in our airspace at least once a week. It might even be more. And we have been for decades. It's just the thing Russians are flying. You go, hey, peekaboo, and off they go. So it's not like we've lived in a huge length of time of peace and there's no need for it anymore. For some reason, we started to platform people like that. And then the expansion of that platform grew and grew and grew.

30:58And now I think it's time to say, okay, guys, we gave you a chance. We gave your worldview a chance. We've given drugs to children that change their, you say they will change their hormones and they don't. It's all medical barbarism. There is no safe and effective way to do these things. we've let biological men in female spaces we've let them in female sport we've done everything that you said we ran the experiment we're not happy with the results we don't like this we're not we're not doing it anymore and i think you do need somebody like that because what he faces it's it's the cool thing the cool thing is to be very liberal very left very woke because you sound nice.

31:45Oh, I just want to love everyone, give everyone a chance. That's cool. That's so non-confrontational. It's so nice to be able to signal what a wonderful person you are. And it's the cool thing. So the impetus, the inertia, the wave is already in that direction. I can't stand up there and say, listen, guys, we now need to think. No, no, no. You need somebody who's rigid and dramatic. You're just going to go, no. Tell us why. No, no, we're not doing it. No. Hard boundary. No. We've already done it. It's not worked. It may have done irreversible damage to the nation already. We don't know. But the only way to find out is to have hard boundary know we're not doing things, any of that stuff anymore.

32:24That's done. We're not going to be mean. We're not going to be sadistic. We're not going to persecute you for having tried, but your time is over. No, it's finished. Done. I'm fine with him being dogmatic. There is so much NFL on ESPN right now. Monday Night Football, plus pregame and postgame. NFL Live, NFL Primetime. Everything you need to stay on top of every game, every week. Unbelievable. And now NFL Network is on the ESPN app. More football, more coverage, more ways to watch. Football's on, all season long, on ESPN and streaming on the ESPN app. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT.

33:08Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. Zach Polanski, should he be sectioned? I mean, we could maybe rattle off a few of his policies just in case people haven't heard of him. Pro-open border, supporter of Hamas. I think he's a gay Jew and he's pairing up with Islamists.

33:53And we know what Islamists would like to do to Jews and gays. I mean, they must think it's Christmas, like two for one. Yes. These are strange bedfellows. Very, very strange bedfellows. And I think that that shows you queers for Palestine, queers for Hamas and that kind of thing. I think it shows you how far into the realm of delusion we've gone because those things don't match. And is that narcissism to think that you can be a gay man and support Hamas? A gay Jewish man supporting Hamas. And get away with it scot-free. Well, you can't hear. You can't hear in Disneyland where everybody's delusions are indulged and everybody's fantasies are taken as reality.

34:36Send them to Palestine. Let's see what happens. Do you think that's narcissism in itself or just absolute delusion? Well, let's be fair to you. If grandiose delusion is the linchpin of narcissism, then yes, I would go so far as to say, well, I can see the grandiosity and I can see the psychotic levels of delusion. But the fact that he says that and he does that, I don't mind that that much. There's always going to be people with funny beliefs. the fact that it's normal and supported and considered by maybe the majority of human beings who live in this country, the right way to think that's the problem.

35:14It's not the individual nutters. It's not the individual people who have very, very strange. It's the, it's the consensus. That's the problem. The people think that this is okay. Um, and it just doesn't make sense. Why do they think it's okay? Probably because they don't really know anything. They don't really know the issues that they're chanting about. They don't really know the issues that they're pushing for. I mean, Israel has committed war crimes. Hamas has committed atrocities. The Iranian regime is a mess. You won't see me going out in public and cheering or denouncing anybody because I'm like, who do you want to talk about?

35:55Are we going to, if we're going to have a nuanced debate where we're going to get into the history, the geography, the politics of it. I can do that, but I'm not going to stand up like it's a football team and go yay for them and boo to the others. I can't, I can't do that because it's, it's way messier than that. It's way, way messier than that. I mean, the, the, the Iranian regime is a fascinating one because you should be against, as you alluded to, you should be against America going around and policing the world. If you're anti-Israel, you should be against Israel attacking them. Yet at the same time, what about the Iranian people?

36:29What about the horrible things that we know are happening under the Iranian regime? Isn't that? So I would just say like, you know, these are complicated issues. And when people do make these strident, certain confident statements, it's emotionally immature. And yes, it is a bit narcissistic. It doesn't mean they have narcissistic personality disorder, but it's very self-indulgent, very, very self-indulgent. It looks to me like villains get glorified these days. And do you think that we're breeding evil on purpose? I think it's unlikely. So I'm not against what people would dismissively call conspiracy theories or against alternative media.

37:07I think it happens on a scale. There are conspiracies. There's no doubt that there are conspiracies. There's probably not one big one. There's probably tons of little ones and they fight against each other. So over here you have it's engineered, it's a conspiracy. and over on this side of the spectrum, it's just an emergent thing that just happens. Everything that we see in the world is somewhere on that spectrum. Some things are emergent and it actually suits the needs of a conspiracy. Does that mean that they cause it to happen? No, but they'll take credit for it, so on and so forth. I just want people to be logical when they think about it.

37:35I think the tendency to produce people who are pathologically self-centered, no empathy whatsoever, this is the kind of evil you're talking about, right? The pathologically self-centered and no empathy sort of people. Yeah, very low empathy to no empathy. Addicted to power and control. And I've always believed that you should never give anybody power that craves it. Yeah. And just the amount, you know, people are out on a bloodlust these days. Yeah. The more devastation they see, the more they get off on it. They're obsessed with watching torture on X. Yeah. Those sort of people, they seem to be becoming more and more bigger and more emboldened and desensitized to it.

38:14Yes. It's like they're feeding off the evil. Is there someone at the top pulling the strings purposefully? It's a bit of a conspiracy, but... Well, you could always filter it with the qui bono who benefits. So yes, there would be a benefit to dividing people. There's benefits to fostering political extremism in some of the wealthiest, most powerful countries on earth and watching them slowly deteriorate and degenerate into states of civil war. There's a point to that, for sure. For sure, that's happened. I do think some of it is emergent. Some of it is just, you know, consumer capitalism. If what I want, so I'm a consumer capitalist, I want a nation of people who are buying stuff, not that they need, which would have been in free market capitalism, but consumer capitalism, I want them buying shit that they don't need, consumerism.

39:04I need them agitated. I need them angry. I need them depressed. I need them lustful. I need them jealous. You want, peaceful people don't buy. Peaceful people would ruin the economy. if everybody just took a chill pill started doing Zen meditation and hugging each other and going to the gym Zen meditation yeah the economy would crash man like a lot of what we do we do because we're in pain the porn consumption the drug consumption the alcohol consumption we're just in pain we're just suffering it's that zoocosis again if we return to each other and there was some unity all of that would drop but it wouldn't be good for a consumer capitalist model of an economy because people would stop buying shit that they don't need.

39:45Yeah. We're purposefully put into a state of trauma. Yeah. So we're always looking for a new bandage. Yes. And that's all it is, a bandage. It's a bandage, yeah. So we've got that. Putting a plaster over a deep wound. Exactly. So you could say like a bandage-based economy. What's the next bandage? Hit of dopamine from social media. I'll take my antidepressants today. I'll have a little drink later. So on and so forth. Why is that happening? because it's emergent and it's a conspiracy as well. We've sort of drifted apart from each other. We've drifted apart from what is important and from what makes life living and from what makes life pleasant.

40:25And we're now a poor, we're not a good evolutionary match for the environment that we've created. So as a species, we're the victims of our own success. The tech and the safety is torturing us and killing us. Yeah, and a lot of people, I think, are dehumanising humans. When I mentioned evil, I even wonder, do people even realise what's evil and what's not? You know, bomb them and kill them and eradicate them. It's like, you do know what that means. If you, let me, people think in stereo and you paint a picture. That means that some child's going to get their limbs blown off for political gain.

40:57Yeah. And that's, that has been one of the answers I've had is like, how many, if we're going to bomb them from space into submission, which you can't do, how many civilian deaths would you live with? how to tell me a number how many tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of innocent iranian civilians would you would you live with could you stomach do you have the stomach for and then if it's boots on the ground how many british allied you know american canadian whatever soldiers are you prepared to see coming home with limbs ripped off from ieds you know how much suffering can you stomach to get what you want is a is a good question when we're asking you know when we're talking about these things.

41:37And so there is a kind of a non empathetic little evil that comes in on the back of that. These are news stories. I'm not smelling. I can't, I don't, I don't know an Iranian who lives in Iran. I can't see the impact on a family that I know. I've never been in their house. I've never drank tea in the living room. If I had as a human being, as a limited animal as a primate, I would feel differently. Ah, the policy you wanted, the big bomb, we're going to send it. Wonderful. I don't, I've never been there. Yeah. Bomb them, bomb them until I feel better, please. Okay. Do you remember that family that you were with last week?

42:15They're also in the bomb zone. Could you push the button, please? The hand's going to shake. We're, we're too, we're too distant from the problems. We can't see it where it's not right next to us. And this is where I I'm still perhaps naively an optimist I think if the world looked different if most people most humans in a situation where they can do something for somebody else if it's not overwhelming it's not going to threaten them it's not going to threaten their kids they probably will they probably because they do you see it all the time wherever you travel people will help each other out if it's not going to ruin their lives or risk their lives to do it so there is there is goodness in the world, there is goodness in the human heart, but the system itself promotes this kind of little evil that I think you're referring to where they're just distant, they're just numbers on a screen, it's just a news story, it's very acidic.

43:06It's just Hollywood. It's just Hollywood, it's part of the digital cocaine we're consuming every day. Digital cocaine, that is brilliant. Digital cocaine, yeah. We're consuming news as entertainment. That's probably not a good idea. I probably shouldn't be getting a hit of uh, righteous indignation and outrage every day from the news? Probably not because you're wiring me to feel a certain way. I'm sick of just bomb them. What? Bomb them. Who's, who's them? Who is, who is the, how many of them, how many, how many, and for how long? And, you know, and, and so the system needs reviewing, I think, because it distances us from the reality.

43:47And maybe people who aren't educated on subjects shouldn't be allowed to make decisions that affect those subjects. maybe. We do just go in gung-ho and we don't really think of the consequence and also like decisions that you make that you think are going to be good for you, sometimes they come back to bite you on the arse. Well this has been my what I've wanted to say to, I still have friends who are very left wing very very woke and I'm trying to say to them fucking bomb them. Bomb them from space the things that you're trying to do you're actually creating violence and they go listen Richard you stupid white middle class man these fucking white men they're so stupid they literally say that to me my younger friends in Prague they're all woke trans poly whatever they're creative people you know they're in the arts and theater and all that I love spending time with them but they're daft you're trying to do something that is not human and I'm not a politician I don't understand politics enough but there seems to be this as a psychological view, a desire to think of all people as simply blank slate good.

44:58And as I just said, I'm very optimistic about human nature, but I know there is evil in people. You did nightclub security for many years, as did I. There is evil in people. There's evil. There's evil in me. There's evil in me. There's evil in you. It wouldn't take many environmental pressures before we'd be off to the races, you know, doing whatever people have done historically. Oh, I know that if anybody was to harm a hair on someone's head that I love, I'd become evil real quick. Yeah. I know that. We're looking at soldiers in various parts of the world and there's just nothing behind the eyes.

45:29You can see why evil becomes contagious, can't you? Absolutely. Absolutely. When will you stop punishing the enemy for the death of your child, your sister, your wife? Never. Until they kill me. How many people need to die before that's washed away? An infinite number. I mean, humans, it can be quite terrible, can't it? Yeah, terrifying. Honestly, in terms of vengeance, the capacity for vengeance, we're wonderful. You know, if you step outside of humanity, we're wonderful in some respects and then terrifying in some respects. And it's light and dark. It's all, it all sits together. The worldview, the reason why I think as I've aged, I wouldn't class myself as a right winger.

46:11I see myself as politically homeless as well. But I think there's a more of a classically conservative worldview, which says, no, people can do bad things. You can't force people to be nice. It's not a kindergarten. It's not a crash. A nation isn't a crash. The United Kingdom isn't a crash. It's not a kindergarten. If everybody gets fed and it's fair, everyone's going to be nice. No, they won't. Some people still slit your throat with a full belly. They've got as much as you've got. they'll still slit your throat while you sleep. Why? Because, because they can, because that's just, and I think that's where the tension is and where the frustration is.

46:50They really believe they're doing good. And I don't want to, I don't want to be in conflict with woke people anymore. It's pointless. What I'm trying to do is reach across and say, the things that you think you're doing that are against racism, they generate racism. The things that you think you're doing that make people safe, they generate danger. That's why I think there needs to be a boundaried, maybe even dogmatic pushback against this for the safety of everyone, including my left-wing brothers and sisters, including the woke. They should be protected as well, even from their own ideological delusion.

47:25Because these are people who say, yes, let anybody sleep in my house. If the nation is a house, they say, open the door. Should we check who's coming in? No, that's a person. You know, like serial killers, rapists, people who do commit genocide, they're people. They're also humans. The category of human is a broad category. And some people just aren't very nice. That's why you check who comes into your house. The problem I have with the left on that issue is they're usually not opening the door to their houses. They're usually opening the door to someone else's house for them to deal with the problem.

47:59That's a problem. That makes me frustrated. Unbelievably selfish. and I don't understand how they can't, they can't even see it. Even when you explain it to them, they can't really see it with 20-20 vision. No, they can't because they've not lived it. And that's the problem. It's a limitation with humans, isn't it? If we've not lived it firsthand, they need to go to community centres. They need to go to drug rehab centres. They need to see where people are being forced to do their shopping in this country and under what conditions. You go shop there. You get to go to the shop wherever you live in your nice place in Cheshire or in the nice area of London.

48:37You pop down to the M &S. Let's go here. Let's go there. I'll take you to some places in Liverpool, in Birkenhead. Go to the shops. Go on. Tell me how you feel going and shopping there. This is why I think a lot of politicians, it should be mandatory for politicians. If you're going to stand in Parliament and start preaching and teaching and putting your rules in place, your boundaries and your policies, I think it should be mandatory that you go and spend some hard time in some hard places because you need to be able to relate to everybody, not just your pompous mates at the squash club. 100 % agree.

49:10And I think the other issue that can occur on the left is things are reduced to very, very simple, everything is oversimplified. So they'll say, ah, so here we have white people who have a problem with brown people and they just don't want to live alongside them because they are racist. Okay, do you not think there are black families in this country who are not comfortable with people coming in from other cultures that are not compatible with British cultures, black families who've been here for hundreds of years, generationally, hundreds of years, they're British. They don't like it. It's not.

49:43Why do you keep reducing it to this patronizing, simplistic, oh, it's white people who don't like this and it's all about racism? It's not. It's a, for me, me personally, I think the source of the problem, it's cultural. There are different cultural codes. Agreed. I just recently spent time with a very privileged person who lives in a wealthy white area in California. And then I took her to and her two little boys to Slough, to a recreation center in Slough. And the little boys, their eyes opened wide and her eyes opened very wide. She's very much on the left. And I was like, yeah, you look at this.

50:19She was. She was. She was. Now go and take this home. You need that. You need that experience. Like, look at what's happening here. I know you don't, I knew with her she wouldn't want to admit it because she's terrified of being racist, but it's not. It's not a question. These are British people with British culture and British values, and now their children are in a play area with men who may have arrived here a month ago. There was a guy, it's a soft play area, you know, where kids can go down slides and jump in the pools and stuff. And there's a guy who's just lying across, there's four slides, and he was lying across three of the slides.

50:58A fully grown man, just like this, on his phone, where there are children. Who wants that? How does he not know? But he doesn't know. I don't think he was doing it maliciously. I don't think he was doing it with any evil intent. He just doesn't know. But it creates tension. It's a cultural mismatch. You can't just throw people in together and go, all right, fucking get on with it then. There is so much NFL on ESPN right now. Monday Night Football, plus pregame and postgame. NFL Live, NFL Primetime. Everything you need to stay on top of every game, every week. Unbelievable. And now NFL Network is on the ESPN app.

51:38More football, more coverage, more ways to watch. Football's on, all season long, on ESPN and streaming on the ESPN app. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. And I think it's fair to say and think and feel that even if he does or doesn't know oh, we don't fucking want that or him here.

52:27We don't. And I would like to live in a country where it is possible to say without the ceiling falling on my head, excuse me, mate, don't do that. And I went to other areas where kids play, in Wales, in Liverpool, in the Wirral. None of that happens. Nothing like that happens. But if you are an area where it happens, you should be able to say, Excuse me, don't do that. It might be normal where you're from or whatever, but like that's a kid. I don't want my kids going around you, a fully grown man who's lounging around lying on his back. Why are you doing that? You see all the other adults, they're sat over there.

53:10Go sit with, you know, but I can't. I can make you a promise here if you like. If I ever see a man doing that in my space, words will be coming after the actions. Really? And that's a fact. Oh, yeah. That wouldn't be tolerated by me at all. I don't care if I get arrested. Even sent to jail, I'll be doing something. I wouldn't be able to control myself. I know I wouldn't. I mean, it might have been a situation where if I'd said something to him, we'd have gone, oh, sorry, I didn't, I wasn't thinking or whatever. But I was like, dude, my point here is it's not racial. There was people of all races there.

53:46You've got people fired up there, Richard. Yeah, no, it's, a lot of people are fired up and they should be. They have a right to be. Either this is a country or it isn't. Then tell us, tell us. It's not a country anymore. Either there are standards of behavior in this country or there are not. Either there are boundaries or there are not. If there are no boundaries, why do I have to fill out forms to go and live in other countries? Why do I have to fill out forms and other people don't? It must be fair. It must be reasonable. And by the way, this is one of Tommy's talking points. I don't think it's fair to him, the guy in my story, or to people like him to be just thrown into the mix with no training, with no standards, with no boundaries given to them.

54:28I think what Tommy said was they're effectively weaponized against the host population. That's an effective, that's like a human weapon against the host population. It's not fair to them either. They shouldn't be being used like that. They shouldn't be exploited like that. This is where it gets really dark because I believe it's all purposeful. I don't think any of this is an accident at all. You don't think it's emergent. You think it's conspired. Millions of unvetted men flooding the country. Oops, how clumsy. No, there's something bigger going on than that. And isn't it strange that it's men?

55:03And isn't it strange that nobody has a problem with it being men? Fighting age men. Is it women and children coming in by their child? Children are crying. They're cold. They've crossed the channel. It's not that. No. It's not that. And I don't know. I was thinking about it on the way here. If you look at Bosnia, you know, there was Bosnians who fled to Sweden in huge numbers during the Bosnian genocide and the Yugoslavian wars in 1994. They were welcomed with open arms. They are Europeans. They fled across Europe from European aggression, and they found a home. This is not that. It's not even close.

55:41No. It's not even close to being that. But if I dare, as I dare now, as you dare now, to say this in public, the consequences to me are potentially, and to you, are potentially catastrophic. It's almost immediate cancellation. Yeah. That's a given. Well, we make jokes about being debanked. We make jokes about being arrested. If you're not from the UK, these are things that people are debanked and arrested for, saying things like this. The business that I've lost, you wouldn't believe, because of some of the things I've said, which I think are perfectly reasonable. I would sling a man out of a soft play area if he was lounging about filming kids.

56:15Just for having an opinion like that. Okay, well, we're going to go in-house now. Yeah, but you've used my security firm for five years. You were singing our praises on the Friday. I said something on the Saturday. Come the Monday, we're gone. Okay, you've got an agenda. An agenda and fear. There's just, I think for people who haven't been to the UK, they don't realise what an atmosphere of fear there is here because the consequences for speaking out can be really, really awful. Let's go on to the family unit. Yeah. I think the destruction of the family unit is now pretty obvious. Single mums left, right and centre, distant dads, vacant dads, the throwaway society we live in now, people are no longer fighting for each other.

56:54They're just thinking, you know what, I'll just leave and start swiping left and right. Yes. And it's the children that suffer eventually. And then they go on and their trauma gets passed down. And I think it's such a shit show. What part does narcissism play? narcissism play in the destruction of the family unit? I think if that goes by the wayside and we're not fighting for that, what should we be fighting for? That's where people come from. People come from families. Responsible adults are born of families, and the more coherence and the more cohesion there is within the family unit, then the better the people will be and the better their cohesion across the entire nation would be.

57:36so there I would probably join you uh in the in the conspiracy theory type of thinking um that look if I wanted to destroy a country from the inside out I'd start with the family unit first yes I'd break that up first and then we're not fighting for each other there is no sense of tribe there is no sense of purpose there is no sense of meaning um and it's a terrible shame to see the way in which this lack of cohesion and the fractionation seems to be worsening all the time. Families break apart, they break into, they splinter into groups, people become more isolated. And yes, it can very often be because of narcissistic drives that push people apart, hyper-competitiveness, envy, aggression, interpersonal aggression, spikes, delusion, projection.

58:27And yeah, families break up. It's really, really sad to see. It is sad to see because it's just happening far and wider and everywhere. I mean, I barely know many families that are together now that were 10 years ago. I was like, why is everyone splitting up? And when I thought about the narcissism, I'm thinking, is there someone in the family unit that's become narcissistic because society's moulded them and they get to a stage where they think, I'm bigger than this relationship. I'm bigger and better than this family. I need to go elsewhere and get more supply. It could be that. There is an example of a family that I know.

59:02It's the Sikhs and former Yugoslavian family that came together. And just 16 years ago, they would be partying together. They would be barbecues. They were together all the time. And there was like a clan of about 30, 40 people who were regularly together. Very inviting. They'd bring you around for food and drink rakia and all that. Gone. Gone. I just watched over the 16 years it dwindled and then I'd ask in my family like what's happened there or so and so fell out with that one and this one did that in the business and stole money and they're arguing over who owns the house and it just dwindled now zero, there's no parties there's no nothing, there's nobody's nobody goes round to this house anymore and it's an example for me that my brain comes back to I see it across the board you said is it because people get the narcissistic sense that they're too good for it possibly.

59:58I think once you've, say if we were evil, we're demons, you and I. Once we've got the narcissistic coordinates set in to the culture, it can be any one of a number of things. It's multifactorial. So it could be envy. It could be aggression. It could be narcissistic injury. People are so quick to be injured now, narcissistically. They take offense over anything and everything and they hold the offense. They really hold to it for years. And they want to get revenge for that injury. Exactly. Exactly. So infinitely sensitive but infinitely vengeful is not a good mix. It doesn't lead to good group cohesion.

1:00:45You must be more resilient. You must be more robust and you must be more willing to fix than throw away and to try and resolve these things. But that takes a degree of emotional maturity and it also takes humility. So sometimes when I look at, when there's a conversation about culture becoming more narcissistic, I look at what is not there. So what is not there is kindness. What is not there is humility. What is not there is compassion. People are going to say and do stupid things. They're going to do it. Do you know, it's funny that you say that because it's something I'm working on internally is my revengefulness.

1:01:23Okay. stop, think, analyse more, look inwards. Is the result of that revengeful move going to benefit you or is it going to create more drama? Are you going to feel better by it? And I also know that revenge isn't healthy. And although there's certain things that have taken place recently, which we'll discuss off camera, all I want to do, all I want to do is seek revenge and really stamp down so it's remembered forever. Yeah. But I have to be the bigger person and I have to kind of untangle my mind, reprogram it and move forward and leave that revengeful side in the rear view mirror. Because there is no future in the past.

1:02:05And I think you keep seeking revenge. You're kind of living in the past, aren't you? You really are. You really are. I'm 48 now. Are you the same? 46 the other day. 46 the other day. Happy birthday. Thank you, my love. I think as I look back on my life, I have a lot of regrets. I have never regretted not taking revenge. Never, not once. Not once. There's no landmark signpost on my, I wish I'd got them back. I wish I'd taken my vengeance. If I chose not to, I'd be happy about it. Fucking hell. I've let them get away with something there. But these are not the things that keep me awake at night.

1:02:43These are not the things that fill me with regret at all. So yeah, I do think, I do think vengeance is, it's a perfectly healthy drive. Somebody's harmed you, you want to harm them back. That's healthy. Um, but yes, to analyze it from a mature perspective in a detached way and say systemically, what's this actually going to produce? What effect is this going to produce? What do I want my life to look like? Who am I? What do I, what's the essence of my being all about, is this going to bring, is this going to allow me to be more of that? Or am I going to waste a lot of time and energy and nonsense on something that's got nothing to do with who I want to be today?

1:03:23And I think the older I become, I think that we live in the land of challenging others. I think it's far more healthy to keep challenging yourself rather than other people. I think so. Because then you do get the win eventually. It was an American friend of mine said to me, his theory was it's because of the reality TV we consume, people like in a Big Brother or Love Island or whatever context, they bring people to the table and then they berate them and hold them to account. And he was saying to me, he thinks it's like an entrainment. Like people start to, they lose the boundary between reality and TV.

1:03:57It's almost as though they know these people and the primitive parts of the brain are going, oh, what we do is we hold people to account and that's the right way to get things done. Not realizing this is reality TV, it's porn. Well, people love watching that shit. I mean, if you look at, I mean, I couldn't be any different from Piers Morgan. I want to hear what's going on inside your mind. Piers Morgan gets people on to berate them and challenge every single thing that they've got to say and think and do, even when he's done exactly the same. And I mean, obviously his views and ratings are astronomical.

1:04:25So people are desperate to see that shit. Yeah, we love a good witch hunt. We love gladiator battles. We love car crash TV. We love to see people fail. we love to see stupid people because then we don't feel as stupid we love to see delusion people we've covered David Lemmy Richard there's no need to flog a dead horse the man is dead he's down leave him be we have an appetite for that but not every appetite should be sated because it seems to grow and some of these things I just think it's awful I think it's garbage and yes I do think we should be holding ourselves to account rather than obsessing with holding other people to account There's another thing that occurred.

1:05:07I don't spend much time in the country, but I've just done two weeks here. And for various reasons, I had to talk to people every day, which is hard as an introvert. I got lectured a number of times and I was like, ah. What about? Oh, the most absurd things you could imagine. See, the thing is that you don't understand, Liam, is war is bad. And let me tell you why. When there's war, people die. With one of these lectures, I was like, can I stop you for a second? I need a pen and a piece of paper to write. This is brilliant. You are a fucking genius. Confound. This must be a thing now. Alongside calling people out.

1:05:42Yes. Is lecturing them. Yes, it is. Moral lectures. I've never thought about that until you've said it, because I hear it all the time. It's like we don't know that marathons give people blisters. Right. Right. So, you know, the sky is blue, water is wet. Thank you so much for your wisdom, Yoda. That was just brilliant. Brings us back to narcissism. Purely. What about suicidal empathy? What do you make of that? This is Gad Saad's term, isn't it? suicidal empathy. I think it's very, very interesting. He's an interesting thinker. I think it's a term worth coining. Yes, we can be so empathic to the point where it becomes self-destructive and suicidal.

1:06:19I do think there is an infection of suicidal empathy inside of the United Kingdom, inside the Anglosphere, like the West, say like Canada, Australia, New Zealand. It's actually very narcissistic because it's patronizing. We white people, all of the evil in the world. It was done by us, you see. And now we, white people, we will fix it all with love. We're going to cuddle brown folk until everything is fine. Shut the fuck up. As if like, I came out of university, I was doing door work, I was doing taxi work, and I was like, oh. So people of all backgrounds and all ethnicities, they just do nasty things to each other because people do that.

1:07:00Then I traveled, went to Thailand, Malaysia. I was like, oh, I thought all corruption and evil and slavery in the world was, I was taught it was white people. Everybody's perfectly capable of it. It's patronizing. They're patronizing. And there's something disconnected. The frustration I think is if you have been in the trenches and you've stood shoulders to shoulder on a door with a guy from the Congo and the guy next to you is watching your back is from Albania and you would go the distance for both of them. And then somebody goes, you see, the thing is, Liam, You have to be nicer to people who aren't white.

1:07:36You're like, fuck off, would you? Where have you parachuted him from? What do you know about anything? You've never been anywhere, but you like to give out these lectures. Yeah, it's a disconnected, privileged position. And the suicidal empathy seems to be born of another interesting term that was coined, can't remember by who, luxury beliefs. So only people who have a very privileged life can afford the luxury of these beliefs. and those beliefs do lead to a kind of suicidal empathy. That is something we will have to watch out for. There is so much NFL on ESPN right now. Monday Night Football, plus pregame and postgame.

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1:09:01Get started at chatgpt.com by selecting work mode available on plus and pro plans. And also the spread of narcissism, or at least the growth of it, I think it's causing trust issues. Yeah. And where does that lead? It leads to where we're at. It leads to men and women giving up on each other. It leads to being very difficult to maintain friendships across time. My God, in the podcasting world, there's all kinds of things that go on and backstabbery and ladder climbing that goes on. It's everywhere. Narcissism is that bucket term, but there are elements that maybe people don't know about it that are recognized clinically.

1:09:42It's hyper-competitive. It's very envious. There's lots and lots of interpersonal aggression. and effectively if you're dealing with people who have become highly narcissistic, they're just insufferable. They're just awful to be around because they're constantly trying to show who they are. They're trying to signal to you. Listen, the thing is, Liam, you just go, mate, you just fucking calm down. Just be normal from it. Stop trying to sell me. Stop trying to show me. Stop trying to lecture me. Stop trying to one-up me. It's pretty exhausting. chill out. Because I used to think that people, when I was looking into narcissism and looking at your work, which I'll obviously put all of your work in the description.

1:10:25Thank you. And I recommend you to everybody, not just someone that's interested in narcissism or psychopathy, anything in life, I recommend you. Thank you. I mean, it's how we become friends. I found you on the internet and all of a sudden, here we are. Yeah. But people are apologizing now for their own existence like they're codependent victims. Yes. What's all that about? The criminalization of everything ultimately becomes the criminalization of existence. You are here. You have a carbon footprint. Your every breath kills a baby dolphin. His every breath is killing a baby turtle. I'm a bull by both of you.

1:11:05It is of note that you are both white men, hashtag just saying, murderers, evildoers. Once everything is criminalized, nothing is permitted, including existence. and then, yeah, you should apologize for being. You lose the right to be. You lose the right to want. You lose the right to have a will. And inside of that frame, I think it's very, very difficult for us to have a healthy sense of, just a red-blooded sense of, yeah, I'm alive. And this is good. Life is good. I want to be here. Oh, really? So you like having your two legs, do you? Ableist, monster. You know, some people can't see. All right.

1:11:48It's in this game, we're always forgetting some oppressed class of person. We're always committing a crime and nobody's fear of that crime. All of the leftists and the woke people, they will admit they're all guilty of those crimes. And they're constantly apologizing to each other. Please beat me, Heavenly Father, because I committed the sin of ableism today or I said a heteronormative phrase. I'm like, guys, come on, this isn't living. That's anemic. That's blood less. I'm for something red-blooded. Let's just get on with it. It's fine. It's fine. We're here. Deal with it. Yes, stop apologising for being you and existing.

1:12:26It's fucking nuts. So as we've discussed narcissism, and to a certain extent, we've all probably been abused one way or another by a narcissist or a narcissistic idea or regime or thing or theory. For sure. what's the everlasting damage that narcissism can cause somebody on the receiving end of that kind of abuse well the thing is with highly traumatic experiences is that they can leave an imprint in the central nervous system in the emotions and in the mind that makes you feel like it's happening now when it's actually happened in the past which is a sort of one way of describing what post-traumatic stress is so people who have been narcissistically abused can be left with a kind of PTSD.

1:13:11And so they feel it ongoing, even when all of the stimuli have left. The abusive father is dead. The abusive ex-wife is long gone, but you still, your body and your brain is still, is still repeating it. So that's one of the effects. The other one is a sense that because you were abused, you must have deserved it in some way. So you start to rationalize and go, well, there must be something wrong with me. I don't want to be abused again. Well, then you better figure out what was wrong with you that caused this kind of abuse in the first place. You must be evil. You must be sinful. You must be tainted in some way to have been the recipient of this abuse.

1:13:50So these are some of the effects. A lot of guilt and a lot of shame can come from the effects of narcissistic abuse. Can you see there being an extended hangover from the abuse that the public have been receiving from politicians? Well, historically, atrocities and genocide are preceded by humiliation and they're fueled by resentment. And I, non-ironically, am very, very worried that within our lifetimes, we could see a very nasty, very resentful, violent revolution. And all of the humiliation, all of the PTSD, all of the resentment will then burst out psychically and it will just go all over everything, everywhere.

1:14:32purges, death camps, gulags, all of it, I think is possible. Well, that's exactly what I fear. I just can't see us coming out of this unscathed after the treatment we've received. Before I ask you the final question, just tell all of my viewers and listeners where they can find you. If you put my name, which is Richard Grannon, into YouTube or Instagram, you'll find a bunch of my material which will hopefully help you to recognise and recover from narcissistic abuse. Yeah, and anything else that you want to say that you do just to give people a little, you know, a taster of what you're all about and what they can expect to find, spend the next couple of minutes telling them.

1:15:10I try in a non-dogmatic, non-hypocritical way to help people to recover from narcissistic abuse in a way that is non-cosmetic, that is long-lasting. And that can involve taking people by the hand and really having almost like a life philosophy change. because sometimes it's people's it's their philosophy of life and suicidal empathy that leads them into the jaws of a predator because they're trying to save them they're trying to help them so one of the conversations that i'm having ongoing with my with my followers is okay how do we let go of that how do we let go of the idea that you owe everybody therapy because a lot of people would they'll get stabbed and they'll be like well maybe his mom didn't love him or maybe not your job not your job let go of it let go of the idea that this is a crash this is not a kindergarten that's not a child that's a grown man me personally this is with a background in psychology I couldn't give a single solitary fuck why you stabbed an innocent person you stabbed them and if I was in charge you would be punished on that basis and that basis alone your background your pain your trauma this is just where I've gotten to in life and this is 14 years now of helping people to recover from the thoroughly evil effects of psychological and physical predators.

1:16:31I have no time for that kind of, you know, my narcissistic mind reading. I'm the mummy who runs the crash. I'll cuddle you better. No, no, no. You did what you did and that's all I'm looking at. And what I love about your work is the honesty and the fact that you're, you're, you engage on a personal level with your audience. You share your experiences and how you've learned, which is like we all learn the very hard way. The very hard way because I'm very stubborn. Anyway, final question. How do we fix Britain? You give me total control for 10 years. Brothers and sisters, it will be a hard 10 years.

1:17:10But we will emerge victorious. I promise I won't have gold-plated toilet seats in my palace. I need a palace, obviously. Clearly. Clearly, because the responsibility of the nation is in my hands. I do think it needs a philosophical shift. Like, do we have a nation? Are we allowed to have a nation? Please tell me, yes or no. If yes, oh, we have a nation. We're allowed to have a country. Well, a country has borders. A country has borders. It has a culture. It has a way of doing things. There are things that we don't do here. There are things that we do here. We've always been very liberal. historically, always very, uh, uh, liberal in terms of what people do.

1:17:57And I don't, I don't have a problem with that inside of certain boundaries. That's all just a red blooded, healthy. This is what we're doing folks. If you don't like it, there's the door. You're free to leave. If we find you working against the enterprise, let's treat it as an enterprise. Here are objectives. We're going to raise a strong, healthy nation together. These are the objectives. These are the core values. This is what we move towards. If this doesn't suit you, we're very sorry to hear that. Please leave. If you try to work against what we're doing, please stop. If you won't stop, we will stop you and then we will force you to leave.

1:18:32I don't think we need to be more aggressive or more violent or more vengeful or persecutory than that. We just stay, this is what we're doing, but stay healthy. This is what we're doing. come with us or don't well you get my vote and if Richard gets your vote please follow all his work you'll love it I'm a massive fan as well as a friend if you enjoy what you see week after week please like and subscribe to the channel it takes 30 seconds if that and it costs you exactly zero and a lot of you watch week in week out and you forget to hit that subscribe button come on play the game I'll do my bit you do yours and I'll see you next week and I'll put a thumbnail here somewhere for you to go and enjoy another episode and Richard, as always, I thoroughly enjoy you.

1:19:16In fact, I fucking love you. Thank you, sir. You are more than welcome. Thank you. Let's go and have some steak.

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