In short
The episode is a heated dispute over alleged attempts to “destroy” Tommy Robinson, centered on claims that two men—Paul Bates and Dean Neal—misled Mark Heath and others, then pushed a revenge narrative via Channel 4’s Dispatches and the Sun. Mark Heath, a former prison officer and Christian free-speech advocate, argues Bates is a “pathological liar” who infiltrated Unite the Kingdom security and used “flying monkeys” to harass people, including women. Key claims include: Bates falsely claimed he was part of Dave Courtney’s “firm”; Heath says he has no evidence of Bates’s money-in-buckets/PDQ-machine allegations; and Heath says the Lynch family rejected Tommy-related money due to safety and reputation concerns.
Notable examples
Heath describes his Southport-related arrest, remand, assault in HMP Leicester, and acquittal after a jury question about whether one post crossed the line. He also alleges Bates posted photos of Tommy’s minor son with exaggerated luxury claims.
Guests
Mark Heath (former prison officer; arrested after Southport riots; acquitted) and Liam (host) who interviews him; additional off-mic testimony is attributed to Dave Courtney’s best friend “Brendan,” and Heath references Dean Neal and Paul Bates as the accused figures.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroduction to Paul Bates
0:54 to 1:24
Discussion starts with a strong condemnation of Paul Bates and his character.
Unveiling Lies and Motives
1:24 to 2:23
Exploration of Bates' motives and accusations against him, including the assertion of his lies.
“And I think he's a danger to kids as well.”
The Threat of Paul Bates
2:23 to 4:14
Discussion on the perceived threat Paul Bates poses to women and children, emphasizing moral obligations.
“It's ram-packed with like-minded people who genuinely support each other.”
Mark Heath's Background
4:14 to 6:01
Mark Heath shares his background and experiences that led to his current situation.
“But we're going to come to that scumbag because Dispatches put out a hit piece on Tommy about where he gets his money from and where his money goes.”
The Arrest and Legal Struggles
6:01 to 7:09
Mark recounts his arrest, the charges against him, and the challenges he faced within the legal system.
“And then you posted something on X after the Southport riots, ended up getting arrested, put on remand rather than plead guilty, which I believe you was advised to do like most who went straight to jail.”
Life in Prison: A Prison Officer's Perspective
7:09 to 8:13
Mark shares his experiences and thoughts on entering prison as an ex-prison officer, including the reactions of inmates.
“everybody was coerced into pleading guilty.”
Physical Attack in Prison
8:13 to 9:38
Mark describes a violent incident he faced in prison and the aftermath of that experience.
“Now, what they arrested me for was inciting racial hatred.”
Trial and Sentencing Overview
9:38 to 14:00
Discussion on the trial process, including plea hearings, the courtroom environment, and the judge's reactions.
“Yeah, Leicester Evening Telegraph, that's where they got the information from.”
Mark's Trial Experience
14:00 to 18:42
Mark discusses his experience during the trial and the challenges he faced.
“So every single person was upgraded to Crown Court under terrorism charges.”
Faith and Resilience
19:38 to 21:08
Mark reflects on his faith and how it influenced his mindset during his trial.
“particularly when you've seen the inside of a jail firsthand as a screw, so you know that it can become particularly unpleasant in there.”
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The Shift in Perspective
21:08 to 25:08
Mark shares his transformation and the anger towards Tommy Robinson's fundraising.
“See, when people would make me aware of stuff that you were posting, you seemed quite an angry person, if I'm honest.”
Allegations and Conspiracies
25:08 to 28:01
Discussion about the motivations and actions of individuals involved in the movement.
“I'm sat there one evening in the week and my phone goes and it's our friend Paul Bates on the phone.”
The Rise of the Bricklayer and His Ego
28:01 to 30:25
Explore the journey of the bricklayer and his self-promotion within demonstrations.
“These are all receipts that can be posted and he insinuated that him and Ant Middleton were friends, which again I know and that's another lie.”
Paul Bates: Security and Deception
30:26 to 33:11
Understanding how Paul Bates infiltrated security and manipulated situations.
“Now, I'll never say anything unless it's 100 % gospel, even if I'm 95 % sure.”
Personal Attacks and Accusations
33:12 to 34:25
Unpacking the personal attacks faced by Liam and the implications of such attacks.
“He also posted a picture of me and him saying, I can smell the nonce.”
Voice Notes and Evidence
34:26 to 35:12
Introduction of voice notes to support claims about Paul Bates and his actions.
“I wouldn't give him the fucking pleasure of putting him to sleep either.”
Unraveling Paul Bates' Lies
36:55 to 39:44
A deep dive into the web of lies spun by Paul Bates and his connections.
“Now, as you can imagine, there's loads of people say that.”
Narcissism and its Effects
39:45 to 42:03
Discussion on narcissism and the impact of manipulative individuals in the scene.
“We're basically saying that how Paul Bates rang me out of the blue.”
The Role of Minions in Narcissistic Behavior
42:03 to 43:31
Explore the influence of minions and narcissists in online discourse.
“So this is the common denominator between everybody that was involved.”
Paul Bates and Dean Neal: Bitter Rivals
43:31 to 45:49
Examine the motives and actions of Paul Bates and Dean Neal against Tommy Robinson.
“because also no one would have heard of them.”
The Controversy Over Fundraising for the Lynch Family
45:49 to 48:31
Delve into the reasons behind the Lynch family's hesitance to accept funds from Tommy Robinson.
“and they've both had their noses put out by Team Tommy.”
Paul Bates' Allegations and Lack of Evidence
48:31 to 50:57
Discuss the accusations made by Paul Bates and the absence of supporting evidence.
“he's got his right to reply if he wants to come on and say his piece.”
Revealing Paul Bates' True Character
50:57 to 54:29
Analyze audio evidence reflecting Paul Bates' character and treatment of women.
“So I know that he picked and choose who he wanted to target.”
The Deception Behind the Sun Newspaper Article
54:29 to 56:00
Reflect on the expectations set by Paul Bates and the reality of the article's content.
“Now, also, I'm not going to post screenshots because I know that you can doctor screenshots.”
The Intimidation at the Door
56:00 to 1:00:11
Learn about the confrontation when Paul Bates arrived at Mark's house to intimidate him.
“And I want to talk about the time he turned up to your house as well, which I've also seen the CCTV footage.”
Unraveling Paul Bates' Lies
1:00:11 to 1:04:38
Mark reveals the deceit surrounding Paul Bates' claims about cancer and his behavior in public.
“So I've opened the door and he's given me this moody, he turns around and looks at me and goes, takes his glasses off.”
The Aftermath of Betrayal
1:04:38 to 1:10:00
Discussion on the emotional toll of being used and how Mark seeks to expose the truth about Bates.
“And I am so ashamed of myself that I let myself, let this man get into my head and do his bidding for him.”
Accusations Against Paul Bates
1:10:00 to 1:10:48
A discussion on the involvement and actions of Paul Bates regarding their conflict.
“He's calling you a pussy because you won't go and fight, yet he comes to my door with two other men.”
Revelations on Bates' Manipulation
1:12:10 to 1:17:50
Discussion on manipulative behavior, false accusations, and the impact of Bates' actions.
“And he always seems to find, because I've seen he's got a lot of flying monkeys, I've had a couple of them contact me.”
Accountability and Truth-telling
1:17:50 to 1:24:01
Reflection on past actions, accountability, and the importance of truth in their narratives.
“and what he's capable of and who he will use and what he will say just to pedal.”
Reflections on Truth and Accountability
1:24:01 to 1:31:20
A discussion on personal accountability and the need to expose dishonesty in media.
“If I've done something wrong, I will put my hands up to it, you know, and I will say, yeah, I was a twat.”
Apologies and Moving Forward
1:32:12 to 1:36:26
An emotional reflection and apology for past actions while seeking redemption.
“Listen, people can make their own opinions up of me.”
Closing Thoughts and Future Plans
1:36:26 to 1:38:00
A conversation about future collaborations and the importance of cautious engagement.
“I am a fucking nice guy and just for the record he is a nice guy I didn't pay you to say that did I?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00You fell in love at first crunch and now the crispy chicken crunch wrap slider is back at Taco Bell. But with a twist, it's crispy all white meat chicken nuggets inside a slider sized crunch wrap. But now you can enjoy them with the kick of Hidden Valley Diablo Ranch or try the tortilla chip coated nuggets on their own. They're waiting for you. The crispy chicken crunch wrap slider, a brand new classic, is back. Only at Taco Bell. Hi there, I am fully charged and here to tell you, Toy Story 5 is now on Disney+. Woody! It's been too long, cowboy. Woody, Buzz, and Jesse are back for a brand new adventure with some seriously cool new tech.
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1:23Tommy. Let me tell you about Paul Bates. A liar, a bully, a narcissist. And a danger to women. And I think he's a danger to kids as well. His big flex was he was part of Dave Courtney's firm. Then he's gone on dispatches. There's no evidence. There's no pictures. Everything he says is a lie. This was never about Peter Lynch. It was about revenge. He wants to be the man that brought Tommy down along with Dean Neal. He puts on that silly fucking voice. He talks like he's the artist man on the planet. The bloke ain't worth a wank. Where's the fucking proof? You had one shot. You went on a Channel 4 documentary to be the big swinging dick and you ended up looking like the stiff one.
2:22What really stands out is their community. It's ram-packed with like-minded people who genuinely support each other. You get one-on-one training, online courses and group seminars so you're never left on your own. If you're serious about building something new for yourself, message Ryan on Instagram at RyanJB. Mark Heath, welcome to the show. I never thought I'd see the day you'd be sat in front of me, certainly on my show, because I was privy to some of your shit posting. Some of it was aimed at me. I've seen the journey. I've seen the progression. I've seen the people that were in your ear. One man in particular called Paul Bates.
3:02And I would never normally get involved in tick for tack stuff. This channel is a lot bigger than that. But this guy put himself on dispatches as a lead credible character. And I know and strongly believe that he is a threat to women. and therefore I feel it's my moral obligation to find out and let my audience know a little bit more about this man who claims to be a lot of things he's not, which I'm going to debunk throughout this interview as well. He claimed to be part of Dave Courtney's firm. I have a testimony on my phone, which I will play at a later stage, confirming there's no such thing, that he was Tommy Robinson's bodyguard.
3:51Again, that's more lies. I'll explain, well, probably you'll explain actually why he's a very sour, bitter, twisted individual. And my platform and my duty has always been protect the women and children of the country. I was raised by two women. My father is a narcissistic piece of shit. I see a lot of traits in Paul Bates that I do with my dad. But we're going to come to that scumbag because Dispatches put out a hit piece on Tommy about where he gets his money from and where his money goes. And then Tommy done his documentary, which completely dissected and debunked Channel 4's attempt to destroy him.
4:36And you was a character reference witness because you went inside the group that tried to bring Tommy down undercover. cover and you also was part of Tommy's documentary. So we're going to come to that. But first of all, I want to let you know that whatever you've said about me in the past online, I hold no grudges. I'm the bigger man. I know that if you've got narcissists in your ear, they recruit flying monkeys and I know they're very convincing. So no problem, my end there. But I do want to get to the bottom of everything and I want to get under the bonnet and I want more information because I believe we've just scraped the surface on this man and he wanted to make himself famous so we'll give him the clout that he deserves and desperately wants now that's a very long intro but stay with me please audience because this is very important because the public needs to be aware of this fucking charlatan who's extremely dangerous, who bullies women, shouldn't be anywhere near women, and also any groups or communities that have spent years building themselves together, he'll infiltrate you like he did with the paedophile hunting community.
5:52That's a whole another story. But we've got receipts today. So let's let my audience know a little bit more about you. You was once a prison officer. Correct. And then you posted something on X after the Southport riots, ended up getting arrested, put on remand rather than plead guilty, which I believe you was advised to do like most who went straight to jail. You pled not guilty and then you got released, but you did spend some time on remand. So can you talk me through all of that? First of all this wasn't on my bingo card for this year sitting in front to you so I do appreciate you talking to me and yeah Bates is a complete wrong and we will get to that and that's part of the reason why I'm here so yeah Southport a lot of people posting stuff around Southport I wasn't arrested for one particular post I um they used over 100 of my posts in in the trial um you are 100 % correct with coercion.
6:59Everybody I've spoke to, because obviously it was relevant to me, and I've looked into it, Lucy Connolly, all these different, Wayne O 'Rourke, everybody was coerced into pleading guilty. You've got to plead guilty, this is the only way out. And then you'll get good terms on Remarge, you'll be released a lot quicker if you just play ball, basically. I was one of four people that didn't play ball and I was not guilty from the start my police interview was a silent interview I didn't say a word, I didn't say nothing but my posts were generally aimed what they were trying to do was make me out to be a racist to be far right and to Islamophobia and all that kind of stuff so I got a knock on the door early on a Wednesday morning it was about 8 o 'clock and eight police officers came into my house and said I was under arrest.
7:58And two of them took me away quite quickly, got in the car and off we went. My house was completely ransacked, top to bottom, with my boy and my missus there. Looking at all the devices, I mean, they even used my notepad. I've written some stuff down on my notepad that they wanted to use. Now, what they arrested me for was inciting racial hatred. And I knew full well that although my posts were heavy, and I've got a strong opinion and I will always say my opinion, none of them incited any racial hatred. Are you racist? No, absolutely not. But that's what they were trying to paint. So I've gone not guilty.
8:33I was quite ill when I was at the police station. I was in and out of hospital. And then eventually they took me to HMP Leicester. Now, this is a good little story because when I arrived at HMP Leicester, I was in a wheelchair this time, by the way, because I was that poorly. How were you poorly? So I suffer from disassociative seizures. So if I'm in too much stress or pain, my body, instead of fighting it, it says... It shuts down. Shuts down. Done. So obviously at that point, I'm extremely stressed. So I'm having seizure after seizure after seizure. So by the time I got to HMP Leicester, I was in a wheelchair.
9:12Now, the PCO that was on reception, he says to me, Mark, do you want to go on the protection wing? I was like, why would I want to go on the protection wing? He says, because they know that you are coming and there is a large Muslim contingent on the wing where you'll be going. I'm like, well, how do they know I'm here? This literally happened this morning, charged, and then I'm here and you're telling me the whole wing knows who I am and what I'm in for. Yeah, Leicester Evening Telegraph, that's where they got the information from. Did the prisoners in there also know that you used to be a screw?
9:46Yes. I'm assuming that goes against you. Oh, 100%. the last thing you want to be doing is going to prison as an ex-prison officer. Luckily for me, I was a prison officer quite a way back, so there was one inmate there that knew who I was because he was on my wing, basically. And was you fair as a screw? 100%. So what I used to do, I used to run my wing, basically. It was my wing. So every new inmate that we got in, I'd take them to their cell, I'd give it the old double lock, and I'd follow them in. And I'd basically say to them, look, you're on my wing. Don't fuck about. and you'll have an easy time with it.
10:21But do fuck about and then you're going to find out. You know, TV, whatever I'm going to do, I'll do it. And I've got respect for that. I mean, I was a prison officer for five years, never got assaulted. You know, fairness is what these guys like. So no matter what they're in for, yeah, there's got to be some kind of respect there. You can't just see them as scum for whatever they're in for. So I used to get a lot of respect but also give a lot of respect and spend time with the inmates. So, yeah, I landed at HMP. uh leicester i said no i don't want to go on a vulnerable wing you know just put me on in the uh on the main wing so that's what happened and this is like 10 o 'clock on a friday evening um i'm absolutely shattered i've been in and out of hospital then they they took me to a wing i was in a cell by myself because i had a wheelchair which was good helped me out and then they were locked for breakfast the next morning saturday every door gets unlocked so i'm sat at a door in a wheelchair and then I see these three guys walking around the wing and I thought oh fucking hell they're for me Muslim guys came into my cell and beat the shit out of me basically but when I was out here if it wasn't for the guys next door to me pulling them off I don't know what would have happened but they were raining blows on me was it fists or weapons as well no it's fists it's fists but I'm in a wheelchair yeah that's enough I'm in a wheelchair you know and I've got three guys beating the shit out of me I'm like I'm actually a blogger saying you fucking guys are out of here fucking man in a wheelchair but yeah that was that and to be fair after that I didn't get no more bother in your mind what did it feel like actually walking into a prison as a convict as opposed to being there as a screw do you know what that must have been a bit of a fucking weird one it was it was it did mess my I didn't realise just how much it messed with my head until later on but I was sat in myself thinking how the fuck I know what I ended up here you know being a prison officer now I'm on the other side in some ways it helped me because I know how the system works and I knew what to do to get what I wanted.
12:20But it was also scary, you know? I've just been beaten up and I'm sitting in this cell and I'm thinking, when's the next one going to come? Did you ever think for one second when you was posting whatever it was you want X, you know, your strong opinions, did you ever think for one second they could land you in jail? Absolutely not. I mean, my posts that I posted around that time, they're still there. I haven't taken anything down. I believe in free speech. I'm a free speech advocate and it was a big part of my trial, my barrister used that you might not like what Mark says but he's got every right to say it I'll give you that and I've witnessed it with my own eyes even when you went gunning for me we'll come to that I've got a lot of apologies to make but going for somebody personally is not really free speech you might have an opinion on somebody but the way I went after people was way beyond that obviously we'll get to that so how long was you in Nick for?
13:14see we'll only spend two weeks actually in the prison. I had a plea hearing with the magistrates court. So I was live with the magistrates. I was out here. And one thing I will say, I didn't report these guys for doing it. I said that I'd had a seizure and I fell out of my chair. That was the right thing to do. I think if I'd have said something else, it would have carried on, you know. That's what Ray Winston said in Scum. He went, I slipped, sir. Yeah. Weren't used to the concrete stairs. Absolutely. And that's what I said. Two weeks I was in there. I had my plea hearing with the Magistrates Court.
13:45Now, everybody that was arrested after Southport, they all got upgraded to Crown Court. And that was simply because they can dish out harsher sentences. Magistrates, I think, the maximum you can do is three years, I think, in the Magistrates Court. Judges only have that flexibility up to three years. So every single person was upgraded to Crown Court under terrorism charges. So I had my plea hearing. I said not guilty. and the people within that court, it was live feed, and I said, not guilty. And the judge actually had a little chuckle to himself. He's like, you can see he's taken back. He's like, sorry?
14:25I said, not guilty. Okay, and I could hear people laughing. And I thought, okay, so that was that. Then it gets upgraded to Crown, so I had to have another plea hearing and exactly the same thing because we went for bail with the magistrates. They said no. so it's upgraded to the Crown Court I've done my plea again, not guilty and same sort of thing, they were like taken aback by what's happening, you know, it's not worked on this guy and we went for bail again and I think if it wasn't for me having an IRT and being in a wheelchair and all the health issues they would have not granted it as well but he actually said, we will grant Mark his bail but do understand that this will all be taken into consideration should he be found guilty.
15:10So, you know, time served type thing. Right. And I managed to get my bail. I was in there for two weeks. That two weeks was enough. You know, you've got people like Tommy that's done 18 months. I don't know how he managed that. But it was difficult. I came out and I kind of went into my shell a little bit. I wasn't allowed on social media. I wasn't allowed. I had a tag on. I had a curfew. Loads of, they took my passport off me. so it was heavy what they were doing to people. But I remained not killed throughout, and I had to go to trial. And trial was in Leicester. Now, I was super lucky with my jury, because obviously the demographic of Leicester, there's a lot of Muslims, there's a lot of, you know, not British people there.
15:58So I was quite lucky. When they were calling the jurors out, we had one Muslim girl that was there. The rest were obviously white and English. So I was quite happy with that. You know, lucky in that respect. We had a week-long trial because of the amount of posts that they used. I mean, you know, there's a graphic of a little stick man with his hand up like this. And people used to say, hands up if you use this, like the river. They had that post and they put it up to the jury. And they're basically saying to me, Mark, what's this about? Because I actually went to the stands and I wanted to fight myself.
16:32I was advised not to by the barrister. I said, it's a stick man. his hand up are you sure this is not a nazi salute i'm like what what are you talking about i said no it's a stick man it's i said if you actually look at the post it was there it said hands up if this on the other so what they were doing was from day dot they're building up building up trying to make me out to be a wrong one a racist building up building up and then to the to the more stuff at the end um it was quite well prepared and even i was in the in the docket I'm thinking you know you know even I believed I was racist at that point you know yeah um my barrister was telling me if I was found guilty I was looking at four years four years because I went not guilty yeah you know so it gets to Friday the jury couldn't make a decision and I'd been out for 10 weeks um quite poorly and the fucking judge put me back in jail for the weekend my my judge was a horrible horrible man and he was desperate to put me uh get guilty.
17:31He put me back in jail for the weekend. And we're like, what? I've been out for 10 weeks. Why are you putting me back to jail? You're going to jail for the weekend, Mr. Stephen. You'll be back here on Monday at nine o 'clock. That was that. On the Monday, a juror is allowed to ask a question of the judge. Yeah. So a question come through. So everybody's pulled back in. They've been out. Oh, we've got a question. So everybody gets pulled back in. I'm sat there. And the question was, can we find Mark guilty? on just one post, or is it a collective? And I was like, oh, what? And then the judge turned to them, and he actually leaned forward and he said, if you think one post has crossed the line, you are to find Mark Heath guilty as charged.
18:14And I was like, oh, fuck. At that point, I lost my hope. At that point, I thought, there's obviously one post that they're looking at, and that was the question. And then they still couldn't make a decision. The judge says you can have a majority of 11 to 1, which I believe was the Muslim deal holding things up. And I was acquitted. It took a lot out of me. It took a lot out of me. You fell in love at first crunch. And now the crispy chicken crunch wrap slider is back at Taco Bell. But with a twist, it's crispy all white meat chicken nuggets inside a slider sized crunch wrap. But now you can enjoy them with the kick of Hidden Valley Diablo Ranch.
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19:36Yeah, I bet that did. Yeah, the fear of losing your liberty for four years, particularly when you've seen the inside of a jail firsthand as a screw, so you know that it can become particularly unpleasant in there. 100%. I mean, I'm a Christian. The first thing I asked for when I got into prison was a Bible.
19:56and those two weeks that I spent in jail, I spent a lot of time in the Bible with my faith. I had an overwhelming feeling that I needed to go not guilty. My first phone call to my wife, which I had on the Friday evening, I said, I'm going not guilty. She goes, damn right, you're going not guilty. And she had the same sort of feeling that that's the way it needed to go. So I was quite calm with it, to be fair. It didn't really affect me until after I'd won my trial and come out. But I was calm knowing that what will be will be. If I'm supposed to be in here for a reason, I was thinking, well, if I get guilty, it's because God wants me to spend time with him, you know, and get into the Bible.
20:35But I'm also, I was so calm with it. Even when he sent me back to prison at the weekend, I was like, okay. If you'd have got a guilty, would you have held a grudge against God? No, no, I wouldn't. Because like I said, if I'd have got a guilty verdict, it would have been for a reason. and my reasoning was that he wants me to spend more time with him and get into the Bible. I did for that two weeks. And it's a shame I don't do that so much on the outside. It's only when you're in a predicament that you turn to your faith. So I was quite calm with it. And if I'd have got found guilty. See, when people would make me aware of stuff that you were posting, you seemed quite an angry person, if I'm honest.
21:16Is that a fair assessment? Is this the post that I got arrested for or afterwards? No, I didn't know anything about you until, I think you went on the Dan Wooten show and I saw that and I thought I might reach out to you. That's an interesting interview. And then I sort of saw some of the things you were posting that I thought, okay, maybe that's not the sort of tone I want on the show. I don't agree with some of the stuff that you're saying. And then in 2025, it seemed to me like you became part of a team to take Tommy Robinson down. Should we go from there? Yeah, let's go from there because that's pretty much where it started.
21:49I want to know who the sources were and why you trusted them as well. Because I always thought you was pro-Tommy at one stage. Yeah. So in your own words. So I get acquitted and you're quite right. I was a very angry person of what I'd gone through. They told me to keep away from social media, be your best bet, Mark. But I actually came out with more fire in my belly and I went harder. like you said you've looked at some of my posts and you don't agree with some of it but that's the beauty of free speech unless you cross a line I was very angry it's normally the ones you were slagging me off on yeah and those ones I just I couldn't understand why do you know what I didn't know you from Adam I don't know any time you've seen from Adam and I'll get into why I did what I did I came out really angry man very angry my posts got more to the point, if you like.
22:44I never cross a line. You know, I don't incite anything. In fact, I mentioned in my court case that the rioters were wrong on every level and I, you know, I'm totally against it. I spoke out about Lucy's post. That was a very bad post to put, but she took it down and she owned it. I came out a very angry man and I started posting stuff like I was posted before, but a bit more heavier. Now, after I'd came out, Peter Lynch. Good to see you learn your lesson. When I came out, I'd seen that Peter Lynch took his life, and that actually meant it really affected me. It affected a lot of us. It did. It did.
23:21And I got angry about that. Because in your mind, you're on the same side as Peter Lynch. Correct. I feel exactly the same way. I think most people in the country do feel like they're on the same side as Peter Lynch. Absolutely. And it really affected me knowing that he took his own life because he couldn't see the light. So I got really angry about that. And I started asking questions around Tommy and what he was doing, raising money in Peter Lynch's name. At that time, I was like, what the fuck? The man's dead. Why are you trying to raise money in a dead man's name? And as you probably do know, since what's been going on, I've always had questions about the Peter Lynch money.
24:02And it's not till recently that I've been put right on that. So I'm an angry guy. I'm posting about donations. I'm angry that Tommy's on screen saying I am Peter Lynch. It just really made me angry, even though I wasn't pro Tommy. I wasn't against Tommy. It wasn't even in my psyche, if you like. Had you ever seen any of Tommy's previous campaigns where people are in desperate need? They've lost a loved one or they've lost the use of their legs and they can't get in and out of their bathroom or people need wheelchairs. I mean, he's quite famous for crowdfunding money to donate to a worthy cause.
24:39You see, for me, that was kind of, well, this is what Tommy does. He raises money for people that need it. You're right. And I've learned that since, you know, I've looked into a lot of things that Tommy does and I've totally changed my opinion on him. But at that time, like I said, Tommy wasn't even in my way. I wasn't actively searching what Tommy was doing. It was the Peter Lynch thing that went boom and it just made me angry. So I started questioning how much money was raised at these events, what was happening with the money. And then I get a phone call. I'm sat there one evening in the week and my phone goes and it's our friend Paul Bates on the phone.
25:16And he basically said to me, Mark, I've seen what you're posting about the Peter Lynch thing. You're fucking right, mate. They're all wrong ones. I want to talk to you about it. So we had a conversation. and the conversation pretty much went, I was head of security. I know how much money was raised. I know what happened with the buckets. I know that there was card readers in the event and he's telling me all this thing. And he's telling me, I'm getting angry and angry. But they spotted that and that was a clever thing. So I spent half an hour talking to him on the phone. He's there feeding me what he wanted to feed me.
25:51And then 10 minutes later, I get another phone call from Dean Neal, the bricklayer, traditional bricklayer. and he was basically echoing what Paul Bates has said. So it's quite evident quite quickly that these two men were working together to try and expose whatever they were trying to expose and they saw me as somebody that they could perhaps use who had a bit of a platform because I came out and, you know, I was on Dan Wharton's show, I was on GB News and all that kind of thing. So they took the opportunity to use me. They both had the same message. Now, what I didn't know at that time was what happened to them inside the movement.
26:31Paul Bates kept saying he was head of security. He wasn't. He was crowd security. And I know that he was relieved of his duties on a march because he was trying to get behind stage and he wasn't doing what he was supposed to do. He thought he was a bit bigger than what he was. So, grudge. Can I add something to the mix now? Yeah. I'm very shocked and saddened to hear that that traditional bricklayer guy was part of this takedown. I knew he was bitter that he wasn't allowed to speak at a demo. I also know that he threatened a female steward. And this isn't hearsay. It was witnessed by enough people.
27:14And the female steward just happened to be a very personal friend of mine. And I never mentioned it because I don't want to cause divide amongst the right. And, you know, I know he does stand up for his country. But to think that he was so bitter about not being able to speak that he'd done that. I kind of feel a bit sorry for him because how I perceived him was somebody that was desperate for recognition. So there would be events, Unite the Kingdom rallies. And the Brick Lab was never invited to speak. and I know that he made videos insinuating that him and Tommy were friends and that they'd been in the trenches together for years.
27:56I'm Tommy's personal friend. I know categorically that that's a lie. That is misleading the public. He also done his own demo on St. George's Day. He got up on stage. It's on camera. These are all receipts that can be posted and he insinuated that him and Ant Middleton were friends, which again I know and that's another lie. He would also turn up to other people's demonstrations, be it UTK, and he'd stand on a wall somewhere and have himself filmed, giving his own speech, unsolicited and uninvited to do so. I suppose anyone's welcome to do that, but people didn't turn up to see him speak and he'd do the same on lampposts and he'd post a lot of self-promoting videos about himself.
28:45Like if he went into the crowd and people was asking him for selfies, he'd make sure somebody was filming it and he'd put some heroic music in the background. And if I'm honest, when I used to watch the traditional bricklayer, because you tend to find this a lot with people and I've seen people come and go over the years when you start talking about, when you start talking about the country and politics and patriotism, your view count changes. So I noticed that he went from, his content was laying bricks, then it went to the country, then his ego completely took over and he expected to become the star of the show so I thought there's a guy that suffers with main character syndrome and if I'm honest I felt very sorry for him and unless you tell me anything else I still do feel quite sorry for him he's had his nose put out a joint because he wanted to be the leader of the gang and with all due respect to him he's not got what it takes to be a Tommy Robinson.
29:42So I can only assume, and he's got his right to reply as well. He can actually come on if he wants. I've already reached out to Paul Bates and invited him on because I'll have a chat with anyone. But I'm assuming that the bricklayer got his nose put out of joint because he wasn't allowed to speak. He's also made a video previous to that demonstration where he got refused entry to backstage, that he's not been invited to speak yet, but he hopes he does and he'll be very angry if he's not. Again, everything I've said is all out there to see. So this is where I've connected my dots. So that's the bricklayer.
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30:18And I'm devastated to hear that because I thought he was on the right side and I felt sorry for him. I genuinely did. But let me tell you about Paul Bates. Now, I'll never say anything unless it's 100 % gospel, even if I'm 95 % sure. I'm not going to put it out. I know I reach millions of people and with a big following becomes a big responsibility. Paul Bates was a steward at some of these UTK events. And then he became crowd security for a few demos, which was meant to be. He was in the crowd covertly as a spotter. Yeah. He was very desperate to get behind the stage and he wasn't allowed. There were strict security instructions.
31:01You know, there was kids behind the stage, for example, Tommy's son, which I know that Paul Bates and his band of merry men also were posting pictures of Tommy's son at 15 years of age, pretending that he was wearing 30 grand watches and 800 pound trainers. Now, I can confirm the watch which Tommy smashed up with a brick on his patio and the trainers I'd imagine he's still wearing. They were purchased from either Tenerife or Portugal from a looky, looky man that cost a matter of pounds. As if a 15 year old lad is going to wear a 30 grand watch. So they went, they stooped pretty low. If somebody posted a picture of my child online, there'd be no words.
31:42So I think Tommy's been very fair just to sit on that and think, OK, but he's experienced this for years. And I know this is your interview, but I just want to let you know how Paul Bates got into this position of security. Yeah. And I'm going to play two voice notes that I've had permission to play today from Dave Courtney's best friend. Yeah. Who I've interviewed, who I know. I also know other very close people to Dave Courtney. I've interviewed several of them and I know them personally. And you'll hear it from Brendan's own voice. Now, Paul Bates went to an auction at Dave Courtney's house after Dave Courtney had passed away.
32:26He killed himself. He then went to another one at Charlton Athletics football ground. And he said to people there that he used to work the door with Dave. but no one can vouch for that. Not one person I've spoke to can say that they work the door together. But that's how he got in with Dave's friends. But then when he moved over to the security side of the UTK rallies, his big flex was he was part of Dave Courtney's firm. And he said that to a number of people that have said it to me direct because since he's been posted about me, Paul Bates, I thought, who is this guy? we're also talking about a guy that knows that i was sexually abused as a child by my dad and i've got i've managed to scream grab the video which we're going to put up here as b-roll to give you a taste and a flavor of the man yeah liam tufts your dad's a nonce you're the son of a nonce you've got his dna tufts your dad's a nonce yeah you've got his dna that makes you a wrong I bet that makes you want to chew my face off, doesn't it?
33:36He also posted a picture of me and him saying, I can smell the nonce. Now, I don't claim victim status. I never have. I never will. But sadly, on paper, I am a victim of CSA. As far as my poor mum's concerned, I was sexually abused as a child by my dad. And that's irrefutable. And you've got somebody like Paul Bates trying to use that against me. And like, I'm the bad person. So we are talking about a prolific lying narcissistic scum. And he does remind me of my dad. And let me play you just for the audience as well. Because anyone that trusts Paul Bates, they need to know that he's not a credible source and he's actually a vile person.
34:16And I'm doing this because I believe he's a fucking dangerous man. Not in a sense of a physical capacity. He keeps calling me out for a fight. A, he would last 30 seconds at best. I wouldn't give him the fucking pleasure of putting him to sleep either. I'm not out here to fucking make a name for myself being a tough guy. I interview people. But if he ever approached me and invaded my space or came to my house, like I know he'd done yours, which we're going to talk about, he wouldn't need an ambulance. He'd need a priest. And I've never, ever spoken tough on this podcast. Once it's not what I'm about.
34:51But he's personally addressed me on the internet wanting to fight me. I'm never going to do that. But I will respond to you if you ever come near me. and I feel like you're going to strike me because I've also found out that he carries a flick knife wherever he goes. 100%. I've waffled on long enough. I'm going to play these voice notes and then it's all over to you again. So this is from Brendan and I've asked him, can I use the above voice notes, mate? I fully understand if not. Yeah. So one of them is 1 minute 44 because I contacted Brendan and I said, I just want to check that I've got my facts right as to how Paul Bates infiltrated Dave Courtney's friends.
35:32Yeah. Because he's lied about where his ranking was within the firm, which he didn't even have a rank. This is from Brendan. You fell in love at first crunch and now the crispy chicken crunch wrap slider is back at Taco Bell. But with a twist, it's crispy all white meat chicken nuggets inside a slider sized crunch wrap. But now you can enjoy them with the kick of Hidden Valley Diablo Ranch or try the tortilla chip coated nuggets on their own. They're waiting for you. The Crispy Chicken Crunchwrap Slider, a brand new classic, is back. Only at Taco Bell. Hi there. I am fully charged. And here to tell you, Toy Story 5 is now on Disney Play.
36:13Woody! It's been too long, cowboy. Woody, Buzz, and Jesse are back for a brand new adventure with some seriously cool new tech. What? Holy butterscotch! You said it, Jesse. So, save your batteries and watch the global phenomenon at home. And the best part, it's perfect for the whole family. Power up your movie night and watch Disney and Pixar's Toy Story 5, now streaming on Disney Plus, rated PG. Hiya, Liam. Yeah, everything you've got is more or less right. I mean, Paul Bates turned up at Dave Courtney's house because the stuff we was auctioning was at the house. And he bought something in the auction.
36:53and when he turned up, he told me that he'd worked with Dave on the doors. Now, as you can imagine, there's loads of people say that. I never met Paul Bates before that. I never knew Dave to have any contact with him. So I politely sort of acknowledged what he was saying, but whether I could say it was true, absolutely not. There's no history of him and Dave being together. He's definitely a fraud. I introduced him to Mad Peter. And it was then that they decided they were going to take over running the Tonomy Robinson security. Paul Bates was convincing this Mad Peter that he was the man to run the security.
37:47and he was using Mad Peter to say a lot of things he probably wanted to say himself. So any help, I'm happy that you can drop my name in and I've made you aware of that. I've got nothing to hide because the truth is the truth. Paul Bates is definitely a fucking liar. Mad Pete's an idiot. But by all means, if you want to reference me, Liam, I'm quite happy with that. I've got no issue with it. if there's anything else you need please ask me and I'll be more than happy to help thank you the other thing I would add to that Liam is that Paul Bates got in touch with me because apparently he was a steward at the time and he was doing it for nothing as far as I was aware it was something he'd taken on himself although he told me that he was Tommy's personal security That's what he told me.
38:44And he asked me if I knew any other lads that would help with doing the security on the march. And that's how I introduced him to Mad Peter and another guy called Doug Bradley. But they then were trying to say that they were Dave Courtney's security, which is a bit of a joke, because Dave had been dead probably for about 18 months at that point. And Paul Bates was never anything to do with Dave. and Mad Pete was just a friend of Dave's. He weren't on his security team, but, you know, so anything like that. There's anything else, Liam, just drop it to me and I'll answer it for you, mate. Thank you.
39:26So that's a testimony from Dave Courtney's best friend of years. So that will give you an idea of Paul Bates, just how flexible he is with the truth to get to places where he wants to get. So back over to you. Where were we? We're basically saying that how Paul Bates rang me out of the blue. Everything that you've just said is true. Paul Bates is a pathological liar. He tells, I think every time he opens his mouth, he lies. And I think he believes his own story, if you like. So he's been on the phone to me, reached out, wants me to work with him. I'm angry about Peter Lynch money. So like a twat, I agreed.
40:08And then I've got Bricklayer, and you're right about him as well, lying about Ant Middleton, lying about the things that he lied about. He wants to be Tommy, essentially, is what Dean Neal wants to be. Now, you say you're surprised that Dean Neal was a part of it. He wasn't a part of it. He was the ringleader. He was the man that was behind everything what we're about to discuss. Paul Bates was, I don't know what Paul Bates was. He was a mouthpiece, I suppose. Dean Neal's very clever You won't see a signature on anything And he's actually put a video out there saying I had nothing to do with the Sun newspaper It did I had nothing to do with any of the PDQ machines talking about that It did Have you got any evidence that can back up these claims?
40:57For a long time they said they've got proof of Money in the buckets Like loads of money in the buckets They've got proof of PDQ machines They've got proof from the Lynch family that says that no money was ever offered to them. Now, I'm working with them, and obviously I'm trying to put stuff out there, and I'm getting a lot of traction from what I'm saying because I'm causing a bit of carnage, to be honest, which obviously we will get to. Not once have I ever seen any proof of any card machines, what they've said. Not once have I seen any proof of buckets full of notes. Everything that they say, I've never seen any proof of it, and it took me a while to get to the point where I thought, oh, shit, I've been played here for my platform.
41:38But they went to the Sun newspaper. So that article that was published in the Sun, which I remember because I read it and thought, well, fucking hell, that's another load of bollocks. They was behind it. 100%. And have they confirmed that? Yeah, they were 100 % behind it. 100%. Dean Neill was the guy who said he had all these things on Tommy. The Peter Lynch tapes, I think they sold it as. Both angry people. So this is the common denominator between everybody that was involved. It's not just them two. They've got a team of minions, if you like, that do their bidding from online. And I was one of them, I'm ashamed to say.
42:16And can I just say about the minions, the people that are working with Paul Bates. Yeah. I would rather not mention them people. I'd tell you for why. Because I know how narcissists work. They recruit flying monkeys. Yeah. They convince them that what they're saying is true. They get them to do their dirty work. And a lot of them are actually victims of the narcissist themselves. And I don't think they're worth mentioning. And since I've been doing digging, I've seen a few of them have a little pop at me. And this is purely because I'm Tommy's friend. I'm not part of the business side of things, the organisation.
42:56I'm just a friend that will speak because I've got life experience. and I think people believe that I'm a trustworthy man and I want the betterment of the country and I want women and children to be safe. I want the economy to flourish. I want mass migration to stop. I don't want children being taught the trans ideology in school. I just want a nice Christian Britain where we can all live in harmony, which is why the Unite the Kingdom appeals to me because the clue is in the title, Unite the Kingdom. So the Flying Monkeys or the Minions, I think let's leave their names out of it because also no one would have heard of them.
43:34That's why I called them the Minions. There's a group of people that do Paul Bates' bidding. And I was one of them, and I'm really ashamed to say that. He would say, go after this person. And he would say, go after that person. This is Andy Saxon, for instance. He's this, that, and the other. He's a wrong one, a cokehead. Everybody was a cokehead, according to Paul Bates. to Tony. She's this, she's that. And he would tell people what to post, when to post it and what to say. And he knew how to press their buttons. These people are already in place. Yeah. But the two main ones are Paul Bates and Dean Neal.
44:10Dean Neal's out there saying, I had nothing to do with the Sun newspaper article. He did. It was him leading that. I actually had the guy that wrote the piece, Thomas Godfrey, I think his name is. He was calling me and asking me if I had contact with the Lynch family to confirm some of the things that Dean Neal and Paul Bates are saying. Oh, so you was in contact with the newspaper as well? I was contacted by Thomas Godfrey. That was it, a phone call. They were asking me to verify what Paul Bates and Dean Neal were saying. Okay, so now the plot's thickening and it's making more sense. Bitter people, sour grapes, this is a revenge piece.
44:49Yes. Why was Paul Bates so convincing? Why did you trust him? Well, to be honest, the people that I was involved with at the start, I asked a lot of questions and I was trying to verify, but I was so mixed up in my head. Like I said, I was an angry person and I basically took what he was saying as gospel. He's saying this and that and he's showing me different things, but he never gave me anything that I wanted. I've got the Peter Lynch tapes, I've got this, I've got the other. And I asked him and I asked him and I asked him to give me something that I can put out online so people could see that what we've got is genuine.
45:21Never gave me anything. My head's above the parapet, and I'm obviously getting attacked by old people because I'm on the attack to other people as well. So what was Paul Bates doing, leaving you to believe it would all be exposed in the Sun newspaper? Correct. Okay, so that was his reason why he wouldn't give you any hard evidence because he'd given it to the Sun, and the Sun were going to publish it. Paul Bates wants all the glory. He wants to be the man that brought Tommy down, along with Dean Neal. Like I said, a common denominator, they've both had dealings, and they've both had their noses put out by Team Tommy.
45:53So they're two bitter people. I really liked the bricklayer because he put a crowd funder together for the Lynch family. Yeah. And I thought, fucking good on you, mate. I mean, I know that you've got main character syndrome and like I say, I genuinely do feel a bit sorry for him. You're lacking something when you're pretending to be something that you're not. I read and map people all the time. and I know that he's beyond the beard and the fucking voice. There's a fragile man in there and I do feel sorry for him. He was absolutely desperate to be fucking seen and I think he got addicted to the adulation.
46:31But he did donate money to the Lynch family. He did. Which is applaudable. Yeah. And then, so the latest argument is, from what I can see, that Tommy raised money whilst he was in prison, by the way, for the Lynch family. But the Lynch family didn't want to accept the money. And I know this because Sammy Woodhouse went round the house just to clear the lies that were being said. The Lynch family didn't want to accept the money from Tommy because one of Peter Lynch's sons was in jail. And if there was any link between them and Tommy, it could have put the son in grave danger and the family because Tommy's got a fatwa on him from ISIS.
47:13He's got people that actually want to chop his head off because he criticises their ideology. So you can see why they wouldn't want to accept the money. And I spoke to Tommy personally. I know that if they ever want money, just like that, they'll get it. But they still don't want the money because it's also documented that Dan Wooten is in regular contact with the Lynch family. and they confirmed this only a matter of days ago, depending on when this gets aired, that they have confirmed that they couldn't accept the money from Tommy because it would have put the family in danger and it would have tarnished their reputation.
47:51So when the bricklayer comes out and argues the point, well, why did they take my money and not Tommy's money? It's quite simple if you think about it. accepting money from a bricklayer puts you in no danger yeah you're not Tommy Robinson you're not you haven't got a fatwa from ISIS you haven't got every Islamist in Europe possibly the world that would love to take your head off and you don't get tarnished and branded things that you're not if you've got any affiliation with a bricklayer because you're a hard-working man so again I'm very disappointed that he's come out with this angle. And I'm going to say it again, he's got his right to reply if he wants to come on and say his piece.
48:36But he will need to bring receipts as well. Let me tell you this, Liam. This is my opinion only. I think the GoFundMe that he did for the Lynch family was not meant for the right reasons. I think he did it for the wrong reasons. It was like, look what I've done. Look what I've done for them. I'm the main man. Tom was in prison. I know that both these guys wanted to be up here when really they're down here, essentially. Yes, he did raise that money for the Lynch family, and yes, they did accept it, but I think he did it for the wrong reasons. I think he did it for his own look at me. That's what I feel.
49:17And so the accusations that were made by, let's stick with Paul Bates. I don't want to talk about the Bricklown anymore. He's actually fucking bitterly disappointed me. It's a shame. But Paul Bates is evil and a danger to women. And the bricklayer isn't evil. He just wants to be recognised as a bigger person than he is. There's a lot of people that suffer with low self-esteem. He's not the first. He won't be the last to put him to bed. But Paul Bates has made accusations that he witnessed that£42 ,000 was raised at an event that was going to be split between Tommy's children and Peter Lynch. Now, he keeps making these accusations and he keeps telling people that's what's happened.
50:05And then he's offering people out for fights. And then he's gone on dispatches and gave his version of events. Surely, if he had the receipts, the proof, the evidence, if he had voice recordings or video footage, rather than just talk, you'd let the evidence do the talking. It would have been in the Channel 4 documentary. It would have been in there. Everything would have been in there. But it wasn't. It literally wasn't. All we had was Paul in a moody scene in the warehouse telling lies, essentially. So anyone that's buying into Paul Bates' nonsense, just ask yourself, if there was hardcore evidence that would just put this whole thing to bed, it would have been presented on Channel 4's dispatches, hit piece on Tommy.
50:48And I want everyone that hasn't watched it to watch it and then go and watch Tommy's on X and just watch how it's completely and utterly dissected. So Paul Bates, I know by doing my due diligence since he's been making threats towards me, I need to know who I'm up against. So I know that he picked and choose who he wanted to target. and I believe you've got some recordings of him in a group chat advising people to troll a female and then there's another voice note of him talking to that female directly just so people can get a flavour of the man yeah and you'll be able to hit his voice is very distinctive and then you'll go videos and you'll see that that is him clear as day.
51:40Do you mind playing those voice notes? Absolutely. You're quite right. This is who Paul Bates is. This is the real Paul Bates. Paul Bates is not the person that says, I'm a protector, I'm this, I'm trying to expose wrong. What Paul Bates is, is a narcissistic liar. And this is how he talks about women. But when you troll this bitch, guys, yeah, for Pete, don't mention anything about movements and all that. Just concentrate on the fact that she's a filthy ginger cokehead slag scum cunt. It's all we're fucking going to do. Let's get out of there and start trolling the cunt. Someone put her profile up.
52:21We ask I'm going to have to unblock her and we're going to get stuck into her. You filthy fucking ginger cunt. You fell in love at first crunch. And now the crispy chicken crunch wrap slider is back at Taco Bell. But with a twist, it's crispy all-white meat chicken nuggets inside a slider-sized crunch wrap. But now you can enjoy them with the kick of Hidden Valley Diablo Ranch. Or try the tortilla chip-coated nuggets on their own. They're waiting for you. The crispy chicken crunch wrap slider, a brand new classic, is back. Only at Taco Bell. Hi there. I am fully charged. And here to tell you, Toy Story 5 is now on Disney Play.
53:03Woody! It's been too long, cowboy. Woody, Buzz, and Jesse are back for a brand new adventure with some seriously cool new tech. What? Holy butterscotch! You said it, Jesse. So, save your batteries and watch the global phenomenon at home. And the best part? It's perfect for the whole family. Power up your movie night and watch Disney and Pixar's Toy Story 5, now streaming on Disney Plus, rated PG. We're gonna get stuck into you. absolutely vile you know i even if i hated somebody a female there's no way that i talk to a female and put that sort of stuff out on social on the socials as well no now i know that there's many more people he's done that to since he's been talking about me and i've made it clear that i'll be doing some deep digging into him.
53:55I have had some horrendous things sent to me by a plethora of people, but I'm not going to say them online. I'd imagine they're going to reveal it themselves because unless I've got 100 % concrete evidence or someone's in front of me giving me their testimony, I'm not going to put it out because I never want to be the person that's known for putting out false information. But I think that gives us a very nice flavour of the man. If someone spoke to my mother like that, there'd be no words on the internet. I'd be on his doorstep. Fucking piece of shit. And this is why I'm so keen to entertain this scumbag, because of the information that I've received on top of what I've heard and what I've read, Because I've also, somebody was in a group chat feeding back all the things that he was saying.
54:56And I've seen other conversations. Now, also, I'm not going to post screenshots because I know that you can doctor screenshots. You can just get a separate phone, put someone's name, have a conversation by yourself and say, look what they've said. So I'm not going to put that out there. But the people that have contacted me, I have got every reason to believe, and it's in my opinion, that he is a danger to women. And I don't care that he was DBS checked to go on Channel 4. That doesn't matter a fuck. There's a lot of people that never get arrested and then one day they go down for life because they've done something so fucking heinous that that's what they deserve.
55:34And I think people need to be aware of who this man is. Yeah, they do. And that's part of the reason why I'm doing this. because I've seen firsthand exactly what type of money is. So you've seen accusations. You've put two and two together that things aren't adding up because what you was promised wasn't delivered when the Sun newspaper come out. So at what point did you realise you were being duped and used? And I want to talk about the time he turned up to your house as well, which I've also seen the CCTV footage. And we'll put the B-roll up here, or at least the images of people that are on your doorstep.
56:12He brought three other people with him, four in total. One of them's a female, so I'm going to block her out. I don't want to name her. I don't want her to come into any... I don't want anyone to come into harm's way, by the way. I just want people to know that you should maybe distance yourself from him. Yep, and me doing this is probably going to bring that heat to game. This is who Paul Bates is. So we was promised. I've got my head on the chopping board. I've got people coming at me online. I'm going after people that I really shouldn't have gone after, but he's telling me, it's all right, Mark, because you're going to be vindicated very soon with this Sun newspaper article.
56:44What's in it, Paul? Just wait and see, Mike, wait and see. Okay, so I'm putting it online. We've got an article coming out that proves everything that I've been saying. This is when the Sun newspaper article comes out. And it comes out, and it's basically, it proves absolutely nothing. think there was nothing in there of any any tangible that says anything that he was saying is true so I've read this newspaper article and I've kind of gone ping shit what have I done I try and contact Paul Bates doesn't answer his phone I'm trying to text Paul Bates doesn't answer his phone I'm contacting all the other people that I know are involved in this nothing so I'm sitting there thinking what do I do because I know I've been wrong and I know that I've made a complete hash of what I was doing.
57:32So I told Wallbates, if you don't contact me by such and such time, I'm going to go in a space tonight and I'm going to tell everybody who you are and what you are and the people involved in this. Nothing. So I did. I went into a space and I put my hands up and I said, I've fucked up. I've been lied to and used by a narcissistic liar for his own gain because I had a platform and there's no way he's going to get his message out on his own because he's got no fucking friends. Nobody follows him. He'd just be speaking into the ether. So that is the point when I realised, shit, I've messed up here really bad.
58:09And not just by posting stuff about Peter Lynch, I went off on tangents, talked about you, I talked about the women in the group, which it actually upsets me how I was at that time. I've destroyed or caused chaos in families that I shouldn't have done and then all of a sudden I'm thinking oh shit and I thought the only thing I can do is just own it and say my peace so I put myself in spaces over the couple of days and just let people have their say because I felt like I deserved that at that time and I kind of turned on, I called him out for his lies he's lied to me and everything was saying well you were cunt anyway I'm like yeah okay I am and that's why I let everybody have their their pound of flesh um the very next day I've got one of the members of the group trying to destroy my marriage I've got Paul Bates going off on one um so I've turned on them a little bit and I started telling some truths about them who they were why I got involved with them what they were up to um because this was never about the Peter Lynch thing for Paul Bates it was about revenge It was about destroying a movement that he'd put his nose out of joint because he wasn't allowed backstage.
59:25This is, and as a narcissist, that's going to hurt. That's going to hurt that he's not allowed to go where somebody tells, and a woman as well telling him, you ain't going around there. Yeah. So you can see how his mind works. So I've told some truths about these people. I've put my hands up. I took what I deserved. I feel like I deserve what I got. and then he went very quiet and this is where he came to my door. So on a Saturday morning, little knock at the door. This is 7 o 'clock in the morning. Now, I've looked at the window because I'm thinking, I don't know, 7 o 'clock in the morning and he's kind of got his back to the door.
1:00:02He's got a parcel. He's got an Amazon box. Yeah, he's got a cap on. He's got shades on. So he's obviously pretending to be a delivery driver. So I've opened the door and he's given me this moody, he turns around and looks at me and goes, takes his glasses off. Mark Heath, we need to have a talk, don't we? And I was like, oh, are you all right, Paul? How are we doing? And I thought, okay, this is going to get a bit leery. But then he goes, I've got some people here that want to talk to you. And then the other two men come around the corner as well. And I thought, oh God, here we go. My wife's on the phone to the police because they're ranting and raving at me.
1:00:38My son is terrified upstairs in the bedroom. He was 10 at the time. Petrified. And I've got these people spitting at me with their words. basically I was going to meet, and what he was doing, he was trying to intimidate me, because I was speaking up about him, and his circle, minions, he came to my door, and said, you better stop talking about these people, otherwise it's going to get really nasty for you, I said, Paul, you've spent the last two or three months telling me, to go after these people, that complete bullshit from what you were telling me, to go after Andy Saxon because of this, I know now, Andy Saxon's not who you say he is, I know that these people are not who they say you were.
1:01:20I know Liam's not who you said you were. And he's going, you need to stop, Mark. And that's what it was all about. He tried to intimidate me at my door. The police were called, not by me, but by my wife. And my boy still talks about it today. And it was that bad for them that every time we live in an end of a coldy sack, every time we hear a car, every time my wife hits a car, she's looking out the window to see who it is because she knows I'm still active on X. and she knows that I'm actively trying to call out what Paul Bates is. This is a guy, Liam, that lied that he had throat cancer. He lied that he had throat cancer and he's gained sympathy from this.
1:02:02What Paul Bates, now I've got proof of this, but that's not for me to put out. I've got his NHS records. I've got his NHS number. I'm not going to put it out because that's not who I am. But I will call him out for his lies. And this isn't coming from me saying it. This is from an old friend of his that he's recently been in contact with who thinks he's a fucking wronger as well. This lady, I'm not going to tell her name, but this lady has told me that when they were in an eatery, he was with his child, she was with her child. His child went to the toilet, and it was a gender-neutral toilet. She comes back and tells Daddy, I can't go to the toilet because it's gender-neutral.
1:02:42So what does Paul Bates do? room full of people stands up I'll fucking sort this out and he goes to the counter and there's an 18 year old girl on the counter and he's fucking laying into her to the point where she's nearly in tears and this woman who I'm talking to says I was so embarrassed it was disgusting she goes my daughter actually turned around to me and said I want to go because he scared her and he sits back down and then they've got this jump or something but still had a tag in it and she goes I'll go and get a pair of scissors see if they've got scissors he goes you don't need scissors he pulled out this said flick knife that he always has on him and he cut it off like that a flick knife in a eatery and she goes he's lied about his cancer she goes i've asked him for his specialist and what chemo did you have this he's got none of it what he's actually got is a letter from the doctor saying he's got some lesions in his throat that we need to remove to prevent cancer that's what he had now i don't know about you but you live about something as big as cancer especially when you've had cancer in your family or anything like that that is just beyond my thought process anyway and he's been in contact with her and he's been telling us so many lies he was out of her life for eight years and now he's back in her life and he's trying i don't know what he's trying to do you know but he is a danger you're quite right he's a danger to women and i think he's a danger to kids as well, not in that way.
1:04:12But this is a guy that took his daughter to a protest, which had been Larry, yeah? Who takes their child to a protest where there has been trouble there, you know? And then at said protest, he's there going after a woman within Team Tommy, pushing her friend out of her. Now this person's only yay high, and he's like seven foot. And I've seen the video, and I urge people to go and look for that video because this is the man who he is. And I am so ashamed of myself that I let myself, let this man get into my head and do his bidding for him. And because he turned up my door, I vowed at that point that I'm going to out him and the others that were there for who they are, for the lies that they tell.
1:05:01And that's what I've been doing for the last 18 months. Why on earth should I believe anything you have to say? This could also be a revenge hit piece from you because he turned up to your door. I've been working undercover, if you like, for the last 18 months. I've been siphoning information from various members of his group and giving it straight to Team Tommy. Every single post, every single voice note, everything I've ever got from any of them has gone to the right people. I reached out to one of the head stewards in Team Tommy's group when I realised what I'd done and how I was used and I reached out to her and said, can we talk?
1:05:44And we did talk and it wasn't very pleasant the first few conversations because obviously I'd caused a lot of issues within the group. I consider that person my friend now. We've been working for 18 months together. I am a stand-up guy and I for that two or three months that I was working with him I made a massive mistake a massive mistake and I caused a lot of upset and I've been trying to put that right ever since just for outing these people and as a fully grown adult I still feel ashamed that I let that happen to me I mean it's messed with me it's messed with me a lot Well I tell you what's heartbreaking And I spoke to a lot of people this last week and everyone is affected by it because people don't want to keep talking about the lynches.
1:06:35Let them grieve. Let them breathe. The fact that somebody has used that family to score points and to get revenge is fucking despicable. Now, I'm not team Tommy. I'm Tommy's friend. I turn up, I speak. If he needs help hosting, I'll do that because I can talk off the cuff. But I'm not part of anything logistically behind the scenes. I'm too busy. But in Tommy, I trust because I know Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. I know him very well. I know how big his heart is. I know he would never, ever rip anybody off. Least of all, a man that's no longer with us and their family are grieving. And for the record, let me say this.
1:07:21I don't care who it is. And I always use this reference. I've put my own father in jail. If my best friend in the world or my own mum was to scam a dead man's family, I would fucking disassociate myself, have no more dealings with them. and I would put it on record. There's just no way I would stand side by side and be friends with somebody that's capable of doing that. It didn't fucking happen. And the offer, I know for a fact, if they ever want the money, is still there. And if what Paul Bates is saying is true, where's the fucking proof? You had one shot. You went on a Channel 4 documentary to be the big swinging dick and you ended up looking like the stiff one with no evidence, no receipts, no fuck all, just one big, bitter mouth.
1:08:18100%. I've had dealings with Paul now for two years, like I said, at the start within his inner circle and then for the last 18 months, you know, trying to out who this guy is. What was it like going undercover? It was difficult, you know, because the people that I was speaking to were two people that came to the door and scared my child, you know? So it's difficult. You're trying to... What I was doing was I was befriending people to siphon information off. You know, I'm still against Team Tommy. I still want to take him down. I've had to recover after what I did last time. I've dusted myself off.
1:08:56Now I want to go again. You've apologised to me for coming to your door. Let's work together now. It took a little bit of time, but 18 months I've been doing this for and I must have got a thousand plus bits of evidence of who these people are. And do you know what it is? It's just about Tommy. It's just about destroying a movement because they've either been affected by him, they've had their nose put out of joint, they've been told that they can't do this, they've been told they can't go behind the stage, they've been told they can't speak. They all have the same thing, that they're pissed off with Tommy because they've had their nose put out of joint.
1:09:33And all these people are banded together like a bunch of misfits and tried to take down a movement, which it's impossible to take down. And to this day, I've still not seen any evidence of buckets, card readers, this, that and the other, Coke. They said they've got pictures of people doing Coke at a party. Never seen it. Now, if Paul's gone out of his way to do this Dispatches documentary, and don't think for one minute that Dean ain't involved in that, because he would have been, because he's the organ guy, that's my opinion, I believe that he was involved in it, but everything that he said and all this evidence that he's got, he's managed to get Channel 4 dispatches to believe in what he's telling them, without any, you know, I've watched, I was obviously a part of Tommy's documentary, just calling baits out for what he is, he's lying, he didn't do this, he didn't do that, it's a lie, it's a lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, and that's put his nose out of joint, that's why he's on the attack now, That's why he's calling people like you out to fight, calling you a pussy.
1:10:36He's calling you a pussy because you won't go and fight, yet he comes to my door with two other men. Who's the pussy? And here's the invitation to Paul Bates. By all means, come and confront me. I'm not going to have an arranged fight with you, you fucking wally, but if you do really fancy your chances, come and find me, put it on me and make me feel like you're about to attack me and go from there. We'll go from there. Do you know, I've probably text Paul Bates since he came to my door a hundred times, saying, Paul, please come back on your own. Let's have a chat one-to-one. Let's meet somewhere away from my house.
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1:12:29Correct. And then he accuses them of things that he's guilty of. I've got somebody that wants to come on the show who was part of the Predator Hunters, the PDF file hunting community, which he was part of. I'm undecisive yet whether I'm going to invite them on to let them share their story about him. because for me, I just like to get this over and done with and forget that fucking steaming piece of cat shit exists. But they told me and they've shown me that when he was part of the hunting teams, true to form, he fell out with everybody. And then he started telling the hunter teams that he's going to warn the PDF files that they're being investigated by the hunters.
1:13:22Doesn't surprise me one bit. I've seen stuff that I'm convinced that he said that, but to play it safe, I'm going to say that's what he allegedly done. But they want to come on the show and give out full disclosure, but I will probably move on from him because he's had so much airtime. But I think because he's so gobby and because I believe he's a danger to women and again being raised by women. And I've seen how people like him operate my own father. I see a lot of resemblance in the two of them. I mean, who the fuck attacks a victim of child sex abuse, makes it out to be their fault? I mean, that's just a vile human being.
1:14:05And how manipulative he is as well. How we can get people like you to convince you that you was on the right side of history doing the right thing. And he knew damn well that what he was doing was an act of revenge. It wasn't sincere. It wasn't heroic. And I'm ashamed that he managed to do that. But it was a difficult time for me. And they saw that. They prayed on that. I'm just glad that I can sit here. It's a shame we're having to do this to call this guy out for what he is. A liar, a bully, a danger to women, a narcissist. The guy is... I've had so much dealings with him over the last two years.
1:14:45looked into who he is, what he is, lying about cancer. He's used his child. This is the guy, right? He's got a 13-year-old girl. He's used his child to tell... I've got voice notes of him telling his child to tell this woman, oh, can you tell her what daddy had? And she's like, what? Go on, tell her about my cancer. To me, children should be nowhere near an argument. There should be nowhere near lies. There should be nowhere near protest. So not only is he a danger to women, I think he's a danger to children as well in the fact that he will do anything and use anything and anybody to peddle his lies and to make him look something that he isn't.
1:15:29And I know he's got full custody, and I dare say that that'll be part of his response once he watches this interview. And I hope and pray that he's looked into so that child grows up a functioning, decent, normal person, because I think he's very abusive. He probably doesn't even realise just how toxic he is. He also claims that people have threatened his 13 year old daughter. I also don't believe that. I've not seen any evidence of that. I've seen a screenshot that he posted. But if you look at the bottom, it was posted from somebody called Dylan. So it doesn't add up with the story that he was telling.
1:16:13I'd imagine as soon as he watches this, he's going to remove a lot of stuff that he's posted. Because once people connect the dots, they'll realise we're dealing with a dangerous narc. But I want to put this on the record as well. if I knew anybody my best friend a family member if I knew anybody that threatened a 13 year old child a 13 year old girl they'd be fucking toast it would be end of the line for me and that person and I would hang them out to dry and don't think I've not looked into all of these claims that he's made it's been very very fucking exhausting because there's everything he says it's always that doesn't add up.
1:16:53That doesn't stack up. That's a lie. Where's the proof? Where's the evidence? There's a lot of fingers being pointed and he's got a very good way of discombobulating people because that's what they do, narcs and liars. They'll machine gun you with information and I'm sure you can agree to that. Machine gun you, machine gun you, machine gun. When you hear something enough times on repeat, you do start to believe it. If I told David Beckham every day for a year he was ugly, he'd believe it by day 365. It's just the way the mind works. We tend to believe what we read. So I bet he was hoping, when that Sun article come out that was full of absolutely fucking nothing, I bet he was thinking, that'll do the job.
1:17:32It would have been. And it would have been exactly the same with his dispatches hit piece, because that's what it was, at the end of those hit pieces. And that dispatches documentary proved absolutely nothing. You know, there's no evidence. There's no pictures. Everything he says is a lie. And that's what I'm doing this for, because people need to realise who he is. and what he's capable of and who he will use and what he will say just to pedal. He told me then that he can't sleep at night until Tommy's movement is finished. I can't sleep at night. He plays on my mind. I think he's that entrenched in it.
1:18:08The sad thing is he's not going to stop. He's not going to stop. He'll keep going. But I think you're right in saying, look, let's do what we're doing. Call him out for what he is. And leave it there. And then just forget about him because ultimately he's irrelevant. Yeah, it's a narcissistic wound. And just how long has this revenge campaign been going on for? Ever since he was told to leave his crowd security. Yeah. You know, when he kicked off there, that's when it all started. And he was kicked out because it was made, information was passed on that he's not to be trusted whatsoever. Correct.
1:18:43So wherever he goes, eventually people realise you can't trust this guy. comes across very convincing at the start. I mean, you could totally believe that he was part of a villain fraternity when he was younger because he's tall, looks the part, he puts on that silly fucking voice, he talks like he's the artist man on the planet. It's like, come on, I'm going to speak freely now in layman's terms. The bloke ain't worth a wank. He couldn't fight sleep. Well, you've just confirmed that. He's not cut out for that life that he's portraying himself to be a part of. And when you roll around in the mud with pigs, you just get covered in dirt yourself.
1:19:19And when you reduce yourself to their level, they'll just beat you with experience. But I'm happy for this one episode to just get in the trenches, stoop to a level I never normally would, and give these fucking arseholes some airtime, Bates in particular, because I do believe that he is a danger to society and he needs to be kept a close eye on because he's a ticking time bomb. I mean, he's nothing to be worried about if you're more than capable. But I think if you're a weaker individual and female, and again, I've had people telling me how heavy handed he's been with women in the past. So in my mind, he'll always be a woman beater.
1:20:02But I'm going to say allegedly because these are people that have just, and I know that people can say things about anybody on the internet. And I don't want to be that person. I mean, there was somebody on your show, and I'm not going to give him the airtime either, the fucking arsehole. He told you on your show that I called him up and I made him shake hands and make up with people he didn't want to. Nah, fuck it, I will. What's his name? Harman Kapoor Singh? Is that his name? Yeah. I've watched him lie about me. I've never had a conversation with him in my life. I think I may have had a picture at a demo when he'd come up and said, can we have a picture?
1:20:36But then he went on your show. He did. Yes or no, did he? Yes, he did. and I've spoke to Harmon quite a bit at the beginning. Because he's part of that team, isn't he? He's 100 % part of that team. He's still part of that team. He's still in their group chats. I've seen the evidence. He's still part of it. I quite liked Harmon at the beginning. You know, when he got arrested at his takeaway, whatever he's got, a restaurant, his wife actually called me for advice. What do I do, Mark? What do I do? And I said, well, there's nothing you can do. So I got on with them. But again, then you get to a point when you realise that these people are all under Paul Bates' spell.
1:21:14And he also caused a lot of problems, I know, through doing some investigation into this whole thing. And when I saw him come up on your podcast and he's telling you that Liam Tufts, me, had phoned him up and essentially gave him orders to do something, it's like, well, I don't give orders to anybody. I don't turn up. I don't delegate anything at all. And I certainly wouldn't be ringing him up. I don't know his number. I've never spoke to him. Never had a chat. And I've been in the same space as him. So anyone can say anything about anyone. And I'm just thinking, people could actually believe this fucking nonsense.
1:21:49It's just a complete lie. And have you got any idea? So there was, I think we've covered this part, but there was pictures of Tommy's son taken from his own personal Instagram account, wearing fake jewellery and fake trainers. And then these were published. I was blamed for that. Pictures of children were published. Now, that's another fucking no-no. Have you got any idea who was taking those pictures from Tommy's son and publishing them and releasing them into the groups? The person was Harman Singh. He was the one that doxxed that. He was the one that talked about his child. I got the blame for it initially, and it wasn't until Carla put people right.
1:22:32I had nothing to do with that because I would never do that. But Paul Bates has told people that I've rang his daughter. of me. I've rang his 13-year-old daughter and told her a pack of lies and that I'm a troll and I've been bullying her. This is what the man does. But it was Harman Singh that done Tommy's kids. So Harman Singh Kapoor, if I got his name right, is the man that would screenshot pictures of a 15-year-old boy. Yeah, 100%. Put it into a group so it was then posted on social media. Correct. Which could put that young boy in so much danger being Tommy Robinson's son. That is unforgivable.
1:23:11And although I asked you the question, I also know that to be true. I know that's not hearsay. No. I know that's not alleged. It's 100%. It was Harman Singh. And there's documentation that's been, all the data's been taken from the group chat, hasn't it? Obviously, Paul Bates picked up on that and has used it. But the initial posting of it was Harman Singh and Paul Bates likes to use that. every now and again. And before we go any further, you've probably got more intel from all different sides on this fucking take down Tommy hit piece. Do you or do you not trust Tommy Robinson's intentions? I do now, yeah.
1:23:51I do now. Obviously, I've done the... This has been a long 18 months for me. This is a long time to get to this point because I wanted to get to this point. I'm going to own what I did. I've always owned what I've done. If I've done something wrong, I will put my hands up to it, you know, and I will say, yeah, I was a twat. and then but I felt I had to go further than that than just saying sorry I felt that I had to give something back I thought that I had to out these people for what they are and that's what I've been doing um obviously done Tommy's documentary I had a 20 minute chat with Tommy afterwards um there is nothing not one thing that Paul Bates told me at the beginning that I know to be true having spent and talked with different people within Tommy's group, I know that it's all lies.
1:24:38You, for instance, we've had a little back and forth just lately chatting. You are a decent guy and Paul Bates is not. And I've not... If I found something that he was saying that was true about Tommy's team, I will say it because that's who I am. You know, I'm a truth seeker. I'm a truth teller. You just need to work out better sources of where you get your truth from. I need to work out better sources, yeah. Get your truth from. Do you know what it was? I think they got me at the right time, essentially. Vulnerable and angry. Vulnerable and angry, yeah. And you know what? I tell you what narcissists are very good at doing.
1:25:11They're very good at spotting vulnerable people. Yeah. That's kind of, they've got this built-in radar where they can sense vulnerability. So how much of the Channel 4 big hit piece it was going to take down Tommy, how much of that do you think they got completely wrong? All of it. All of it. I mean, if you haven't seen the Channel 4 Dispatches documentary, I urge people to watch it, but then I urge people afterwards to go and watch Tommy's documentary, basically poo-pooing everything that they said. I can't believe that they gave Paul Bates airtime for one. I mean, that guy would have been so excited that he's going on Channel 4.
1:25:48Working with Hope Not Hate. Hope Not Hate were part of that production. Hope Not Hate. Paul Bates, Hope Not Hate. Well, also, it's important to mention as well, Paul Bates was at a Lib Dem conference. Paul Bates is a lefty. So Paul Bates is a lefty. He is. So there could actually be more motive behind his behaviour. He could have been infiltrating the group. Quite possible. Well, he did purposely try to stitch them up. Yeah. But we do know that he was a candidate for the Lib Dems. Correct, sure. And again, there's the receipts to prove that. So no one can come for us for libel or slander. Paul Bates is a lefty and he pretends to care for women, children and the needy.
1:26:36And really, he's quite happy to see you on your knees because he grows from people's misery. He does. And the more people talk about him, that's why I'm with you. That once this is done, I've said my piece. I want nothing to do with Paul Bates. I'm not so sure Paul Bates will be finished with me or yourself because he's going to be angry. But at the end of the day, Paul, you're a liar. You're a liar. You're a narcissistic, horrible, cunt of a man. A fucking scumbag. And I'll tell you what I will, before I ask you the final question, I'll just bring it back to people's memory because a lot of people watching me will know that I went through a hell of an ordeal with my dad.
1:27:18There's good reason he's serving 18 years in jail. And I testified against him. Now, when me and him were having a back and forth and he was attacking me online, I mean, he was like Paul Bates 10X. He went at me, tried to destroy my life, my livelihood, my friendship circles, my relationships. An animal of a man reminds me of Paul. So what I would do is in response. And I've done the same with Paul as well. If I thought Paul was going to be a real threat, there'd be no talk on the Internet. I would have to deal with him because there's no way I'm going to allow myself to be put into a situation where I'm in danger or my safety or my health.
1:27:58And I've done the same with my dad. He would be assassinating my character, smearing my name, monitoring his comments, only speaking to those who will agree. Very clever game that he played, which is now this is why I'm so privy to people like Paul Bates. I've learned the psychology of these motherfuckers. So what my job was to do was to ridicule my dad. And my dad and Reggie Cray were cellmates. And they also made a song together called I Began to Notice. And the Sun newspaper printed an article about my dad and Reggie Cray that they were gay. They did manage to sue the Sun because there was no concrete evidence.
1:28:44And whether they were or not, I don't know. I don't care. But what I do know is it triggered my dad. So to ridicule my dad, I put a little clip out and bear in mind, I used to put funny stuff out when you could have a joke on the Internet and not get it twisted. I played his song. I began to notice. And there's a part that goes, if my heart gets broken, I doubt it will mend. and I changed the words knowing that it would trigger my dad because he was accused of being Reggie Cray's gay lover if my heart gets broken I'll suck your bell end and then I start doing the imitations and singing I'll suck your bell end whoa now to me that was some of my finest work yeah there's nothing sinister in that that's the best way to fucking to ruin a narcissist is ridicule them yeah and what Paul Bates has done is And he will know that's what I've done.
1:29:43I'm not on the internet offering to suck people's bellends. I'm ridiculing my father for being suspected of sucking Reg Cray's bellend. So I'm taking the piss out of him, using rumours against him, because I didn't know what else to do. And now I find myself having to defend it, because you get these wankers on their left that are using that clip going, this doesn't seem right, Liam seems like a bit of a wrong one. It's like, no, no, no, it was a joke, and I'm mocking a paedophile. So my question is to anybody that's fucking seen that clip, and I'll post it myself. Fucking, like I say, some of my finest work.
1:30:17It still brings a little smile back when I watch it. I think it's hilarious. Have you got a problem with somebody mocking and ridiculing a paedophile? Because if you have, you need to look at yourself in the mirror and ask why. And my final question to you, Mark, today is, people are going to be watching this, and I know I have asked a similar question, but I'm going to be more direct here. People have seen you flip-flop, change teams. You know that people that you heard, I played you a voice note, somebody calling you a cunt a little while ago because they know the full story. They've spoke to the Lynch family direct and they saw what you've done and not everyone's as forgiven as me.
1:30:57But I know how narcissists can get into people's brains. So the fact that you flip-flopped and you've gone undercover and you've tricked people and you've got information out of people and you've played both sides, what's your final message to people that may still be thinking, I don't know if I believe this cunt or not. FX's American Horror Story returns for an unrivaled 13th installment with the iconic horrors you love to fear and an all-star cast reprising fan-favorite roles. Light your candles, draw your pentagrams and prepare for a supreme surprise. FX's American Horror Story 13 premieres September 24th on FX and Hulu.
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1:32:18Listen, people can make their own opinions up of me. I think I've been quite sincere for the last 18 months. I think there's people within Tommy's group that will vouch for that. I flip-flopped once. I was with them, then I was against them.
1:32:36And if we're ending it here, what I want to say is sorry for everybody that I offended back then. It wasn't a true reflection of me as a man. I'm all about protecting our women and children. I'm all about saving the UK. And I did some horrible things and said some horrible things to you. And I've apologized to you as soon as I met you. Ain't no goddamn thing. Exactly. So I'm sorry for anybody that offended and I offended and I went for loads of people. I still feel ashamed that I did that. It did affect me mentally at the time. I thought, well, fucking hell, what have I done? And I just hope that what I have done in the last 18 months goes some way to show that that wasn't me.
1:33:22The real person is the person that's sitting in front of you now, calling out the wrong people. And I'm sorry and ashamed that I was on that side. that won't happen again. I know the truth. I've had no evidence to say otherwise. I've actually met some nice people in the group and I've been put right on a lot of people. So I just hope that you can see who the person I really am and not what I was back then. I apologise to everybody that I mentioned when I was doing what I was doing. I am genuinely sorry. And that was my reason for doing Tommy's documentary for sitting in front of you. To own what I did.
1:33:59It was wrong. I was a fucking idiot. I was a cunt. I was a nasty piece of work, but that wasn't me. The real person is me here knowing what I couldn't tell was and trying to put it right. So I'll keep saying sorry because I don't deserve any forgiveness. What I did was wrong. But I now know that everybody around Team Tommy, including Tommy yourself, are actually decent people. Well, it's good that you've met these people now. Yeah. And, you know, there's one thing hearing things. I mean, you actually meet people because you can get a lot from actually meeting someone. You know, you feel their energy.
1:34:33And also, I've got to give credit to you, mate, irrespective of things you said about me, which I hold no grudge, by the way, because I know why. But you've turned up today. And, you know, for all you, you might know this. This could have been me teeing you up to fucking, you know, to make you look bad for me getting my revenge on you. So, yeah, this, well, I can only speak for myself. There's a lot of sincerity within the right wing, unfortunately. And it's centre right, by the way, not far right. But there's also a lot of people that, you know, there's so many people that come to these street movements that you can't police everyone.
1:35:13You can't tell somebody to give you a DBS check before you have a photograph with them. You just got to take people at face value. and eventually they do reveal themselves and the mask slips. And so I suppose now just let people know if they want to follow your work. You've got a YouTube channel and you're active on X. Do you want to tell people where they can find you? Yeah, it's at MarkHeath45. Just type in my name. There's a lot of stuff about me in there. But what I will say is I post about trying to save the UK. I post about the things that are bothering people, immigration. I talk politics.
1:35:56I talk about I'm not affiliated to any party. I find that if you're a restore, if we form go after you. So, listen, I just hope that you can see that I'm trying to make amends. I would love people to come and have a look at my page. It's been a pleasure meeting you. He's a nice guy, as is everybody else that I've come in contact with within Team Tommy. so I apologise and hopefully I can continue working with you on some things you know there's lots going on and I would like to be a part of it I am a fucking nice guy and just for the record he is a nice guy I didn't pay you to say that did I? no you did not and nobody paid me to do the Tommy documentary either which is I'm seeing a lot of oh you're going to get that you're going to get that how much did Tommy pay you?
1:36:40you'll get that thrown at you it's a yeah textbook anyway if you've enjoyed this interview and very honest conversation and you want to see more of the same. I know it's a little bit different, a bit gossipy, but I believe Paul Bates is a danger to society and women. Please like and subscribe to the channel. A lot of you watch and you forget to do so and it makes a huge difference. I can bring bigger guests and continue doing what we do because the mainstream, as you've seen, bring you lies and we'll get to the root of that and we'll bring you the truth. And if you want to follow Mark, I will put all his links in the description.
1:37:15and mate as far as I'm concerned no hard feelings I'm going to go and get a roast dinner if you'd like to come and join me and yeah stay safe and just be more cautious of who you fucking listen to yeah cheers cheers Liam get off Mark
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In this exposé, Mark Heath reveals the full story behind his involvement in the campaign against Tommy Robinson — and the men at the centre of it all: Paul Bates and 'The Traditional Bricklayer' Dean Neil.
Mark explains how, after being arrested and imprisoned following the Southport riots, he was approached by Paul Bates and others while still angry and vulnerable.
What followed was a calculated effort to use his platform to attack Tommy Robinson, and those close to him.
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