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21:35We don't have to eat them. You know what I'm saying? As long as it's halal. So I may like a Sunday roast. Well, I do like a Sunday roast. It was just cultural. So in issues of belief and issues of religious, then yes. But issues of culture and tradition, then no. We have our own culture and own tradition. I'm dressed as similar to you. I'm dressed in a t-shirt and tracks of bombs. I don't dress like an Arab, okay? I'll never do. Occasionally, if I go to the mosque on Eid or something, I might because it's easier. and it's white. But the only time we wouldn't follow our traditions is if the tradition contradicted the religion, like it was traditional for us to drink alcohol.

22:09Okay, fine. Then I can't do that. Okay, so, but everything else is fine. As long as there's no contradiction to the religion, then it's fine to have your traditions and have your cultures. And people think if Islam takes over, we're going to have to ride camels around Trafalgar Square and stuff like this. It's not true. Okay, let me bring it to modern times. So if you lived in Sudan and the legal age of consent is 10. So put it out there, I find that fucking appalling. You're mid-50s. Let's just say you lived out there. No, I wouldn't. And, okay, not you then. One of your fellow Muslim brothers was in their 50s and they started having sex with a 10-year-old.

22:44I would be against it. Would you condemn him publicly? Yes, of course I would. Because you asked me about the grooming gangs just a minute ago. I'm going to come back to that. Yeah, yeah. Because there is always a collective guilt amongst Muslims that we have to answer for every criminal, every Muslim criminal that's out there, okay? Nowadays, it's unacceptable, Liam. So Sudan, Sudanese Muslims, what's your message to them? Again. For their sexual habits. Again, I don't agree with that nowadays. And again, I don't have to. It doesn't mean I have to agree with it. So you condemn them and you would do publicly.

23:14I've never been to Sudan. I've got no intention of going to Sudan, by the way. Okay. But do you condemn that shit behaviour? Wait there. Let's calm down and do I condemn. I don't agree with anybody in 2026 being with a 10-year-old. whether they're Muslim or non-Muslim. And the scholars of Islam will tell you the same thing. There's not a scholar in Islam that I know of who would say that's permissible or that's okay. Now, there might be some tribal people that do that in Sudan, and I disagree with that, because in 2026, it's not the way it's done. And what do you think about that Islamic regime over there?

23:44In Sudan? Yeah. Amputation, if you steal, all that kind of stuff. No, no, no. Stoning women if they've not got five witnesses for being raped. Are you talking Sharia or what are you asking me exactly? Well, the Islamic regime that they live under in Sudan, I don't know that they live under the Islamic regime. What about Iran then? They're Shiite, Liam. I don't get involved with them. So you're anti the Islamic Republic? I'm not in favour of them, no. But I don't think we should be getting our noses involved either. I don't think we should be poking our noses into what goes on in Iran. And I'm a Sunni Muslim, not a Shiite.

24:13So I'm not going to indulge in the Shiite situation. However, why are we getting involved in Iran? I mean, I don't get it why we're sticking our noses in there. It's never worked that way, was it? Well, let's go down that route then, because another comment I made on one of your posts was the UK is trying to prevent a 79 situation where there's an Islamic revolution. And you said that will never happen. And so I didn't respond. I thought I'd ask you now. So why do you think that there's no chance of a 79 style Islamic revolution happening in the UK? Firstly, what happened in 1979 with the Shiite revolution?

24:48You know what happened in the history of Iran anyway, don't you? had they got rid of an elected leader, then they put in a Shah, and then the Shah was a tyrant because he was giving all the wealth to the West. So the Shiites overthrew him. That's their thing, okay? To say that you're going to have... Are you talking about, is there going to be an Islamic revolution in this country? Just so I can understand it. I'm saying, do you not think it's a possibility with this influx of Muslims we've got coming in? No, we are not going to have an Islamic revolution in this country, or an Islamic takeover.

25:16Is that what you mean, okay? Because, firstly... You know what I mean. Well, what do you mean exactly? Just because I want you to say it. Okay, let me say it. Take a breath. Yeah. I'll ask the question in its entirety. Yeah, please. And then respond. Yeah. This ain't fucking down. We're not in Parliament now. Right. We ain't got to try and dodge and swerve and trick us. No, I want to be straight, but I just want to understand it. I'll hit you with straight questions, hit me with straight answers. Right. We haven't got time for bullshit. 1979 in Iran, there was an Islamic revolution. Ever since then, it's been barbaric, very unsavoury.

25:47Yeah. I made a comment on one of your posts. Yeah. saying that the UK is trying to prevent a 79-style Islamic revolution. Right. And you said there's no chance of that ever happening. So the question is, why do you think that there's no chance whatsoever that there could be an Islamic revolution in the UK? Okay. Generally, not just from Shiites? Just in general, yeah. Okay. Because you know the Shiites are a smaller group in Islam. They're about 10 % at max. And in the UK, they're probably, I don't know what percent, very small percent in the UK. So that's not going to happen, okay? There is a major difference between Shiites and Sudanese.

26:22We don't really get along. We don't really cooperate for the most part, okay? Excuse me. So this thing about that Islam is going to take over in the country is a real gaslighting argument. It's not going to happen, Liam. I promise you, I know the Muslim community from the inside for 28 years, all right? Firstly, how are we going to do it? I know a lot of Muslims, mate. I don't know anyone with an aircraft carrier. I don't know anyone with a fighter jet or a tank or a helicopter, okay? It's not going to happen, okay? Political jihad? From who? What's his name? Sadiq Khan. Most of the Muslims, is that what you mean?

26:51Well, I'm talking about there's an expansion of Muslim politicians. All right, good. Okay, let's look at them. Most of them, well, a lot of the Muslims, and I don't even consider Sadiq Khan to be a Muslim. Why not? Look at him. I mean, does he look like he's got any Islam in his own body? Never mind, is he going to implement it anywhere else? When you get involved in politics, as I'm sure you will probably agree on this point, you have to make way too many concessions, way too many compromises with your morals and your standards, okay? So he's out there advocating for LGBTQ and all the rest of it, which is contradictory to Islam, okay?

27:21He doesn't look like he never references Islam. He never talks about Islam. When you go into that world, you go into that world and you have to compromise your religion, in my opinion, at least anyway, right? So to think that Sadiq Khan somehow is going to implement Islamic Sharia in this country when he hasn't even implemented it on his own face or his own body is just laughable. I mean, it's not going to happen, mate. And then if you go around and look at the mayors and the MPs that are Muslim and you look at them, they are not the sort of people that are going to implement Islam. I promise you.

27:49That's one of the reasons, right? The second reason is there's this thing that we're going to take over via numbers. We're going to outbreed you. It's not happening. And I'll tell you why. If you look at the stats for the fertile white woman, she in this country, it's about 1.9, 1.8, 1.9 reproduction rate, which is below average. So it's below average. It's below the amount that you need to reproduce, you know, like to continue to reproduce as it were. The Muslims now are dropping. The Muslim community birth rates are dropping for the same reasons it's dropped in the white community. They're going to college, they're going to university, they're getting married later, they're not having kids until their late 20s, early 30s.

28:25So ours, the Muslim community birth rate for fertile women is going down now. I think in 2030, it's going to be down to 2.1, 2.2, which is right on the edge of, you know, where they'll be able to reproduce enough, okay? So for the same reasons that it's dropping in the white community, and I think white people should have more kids. Why not? We used to have four to six kids, didn't we, in the old days? How many is it now? one or two maybe, right? Okay. So we're not going to outbreed you. In fact, you've got more chance of becoming a Hindu country because you're importing, we're importing now 900 ,000 Indian Hindus a year.

29:00Okay. There were a lot of them are families. They're coming with their wives. They already have kids. They're coming over on work visas, family visas, study visas. So they're bringing their families in as well. The next one down to that is Nigerian. That's like half. That's like 400 ,000-ish. Okay. The next one down to that is Chinese. And the next one down to that is Pakistani, Bangladeshi together. And that comes down to three or four. It's a tiny percent. The fact that people are going home to get married now is lessening as well. The boys and the girls are wanting to get married in this country.

29:30They don't want to go home and get married. That's sort of dying out as generations go on. So we're not going to outbreed you. Yes, the birth rate of a white man or the white man and woman is going down. And the Muslim is still going up. But the Muslim one is slowing down. So eventually there's going to be a sort of levelling off. and then it will be, you'll still be the massive minority, the massive majority in this country. So we're not going to help, we're not going to take over from numbers. The politicians, there's a constant, we don't have a constitution in this country, do we like America?

29:56But we have laws in this country, right? Not like, but like a constitution. So a communist couldn't take over, for example, a dictator couldn't take over, a religious fanatic couldn't take over. Okay. So using the laws, because you'd have to go up against king and country and king and army and forces because that's what the law says. Okay. So we can't take over militarily because the constitution, as it were, of this country would prevent that from happening. It would prevent it if you was a communist and wanted to stand, okay? So we can't take over, we can't use the rules of the country to take over politically, all right?

30:29We can't, we're not outbreeding you as much as like gaslighting people to say they're having too many kids. That's dropping for all the reasons we give. They're going to college, they're going to university, they have to buy a house, they have to, you know, it's expensive, so people are leaving it, right? So we're not going to outbreed you. And the politicians that you've got, to me, they're so weak as Muslims. And they're more likely to be against Muslims than anything. Okay. So this whole thing that we're going to take over, Liam, is just put there to problem, reaction, solution. It's just put there to wind us up.

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32:26We're going to be talking over each other Okay And I know that you take the scenic route, which is fine So I'm going to keep it to questions And I'll let the audience decide what they think of your answers But we are not outbreeding, you know, and we can't take over militarily and we can't take over politically. I just wanted to make that point. And that's your opinion. Personally, I think that you've got more than enough chance to outbreed us. I think Sadiq Khan... How can 6 % of the population outbreed the other percent? I think Sadiq Khan is very dangerous in politics. I think he would love to enforce Sharia law.

32:54He makes a massive deal of Eid and a very small effort with Christmas. And he's banned bikini models on the underground. I mean, who the fuck does he think he is? But let's move on from that because I just wanted your answer. Okay, cool. I'm sure people know my answers anyway, but I want to hear your answers. In the UK, who predominantly rapes children? Describe the kind of man that does that. Predominantly would be white people. Be white people, because it's predominantly... Yeah, predominantly, yeah, of course, yeah. Okay. It's proportionate, if you're talking about grooming gangs with Pakistanis and things like this.

33:23So that's where I'm going. It's proportionate representation. Okay, so why do you think there's a disproportionate representation within the Pakistani Muslim community that gang rape children? There's not. You don't think there is? No, the stats don't show, don't you? You know this is well documented, so you will look silly. No, no, no. I'm not going to look silly because there are, or a lot of these cases of Pakistani grooming gangs are historical cases, okay? I'm not saying that they shouldn't be prosecuted because they should, whether it was 100 years ago, whatever, years ago, okay? However, the stats will show that the predominant of sexual offences are caused by white males.

33:54We're talking about gang rapists. Okay, okay. Keep it to gang rapists. Okay, if you look at gang rapes as well, it's still white, it's still predominantly white, which you would expect in a white country, okay? However, my opinion on this is, okay, and I'll make it very simple. Where are you getting these stats from? I'm going to put them in the comments. Okay. Context is important, Liam, and truth is important. We can tit for tat all day long, but we have to put some evidence to what we're saying. And this is, but let me just finish this point. Is that... Before, I have to ask it, and just so it's concrete, so I can believe my ears and the audience can believe theirs.

34:26Are you saying that with all the research, documentation, conversations, debates in Parliament, that rape gangs in the UK aren't predominantly Pakistani Muslim men? They're not predominantly. And however... I won't interrupt again. They're not predominantly. They are on both sides. However, I would, and most of the Muslims, well, all of the Muslims that I know, all right, we would want to vote in a law. Let's go through Parliament, House of Commons, House of Lords, whatever you have to do. let's bring in a law that says anybody that does this gets a death penalty. Capital punishment. I don't care who they are.

34:59I don't care if they're Muslim or non-Muslim or I don't give a shit. If they commit these crimes, there should be a capital punishment for these crimes. I don't care. And any so-called Muslim that's doing this disgusting stuff, right? He's against the Quran and the Sunnah. He's against my religion. I don't care what his name is. Okay. I don't care what colour he is. Okay. A lot of the Muslims are actually white. Okay. I'm against it. A hundred percent. Now, the stats will prove that most sexual crimes, especially the most sexual crimes where they're dealing with young, young, young babies, like toddlers, baby babies.

35:31Okay. And, you know, so I would go after all of them. See, one of the things that your pal does is he goes specifically after the Muslim grooming gangs, which is okay if you went after the others as well. I'd go after all of them. No problem. I'd go after all of them all the same. I wouldn't just, because for me, it's the crime that offends me and the sympathy is with the victim. I'm less focused upon who's doing it because I just want to see them finished. But they won't do that, Liam, and we know why. We know why they won't do that. But do you know why people have brushed under the carpet for so many years the Pakistani Muslim rape crimes?

36:04They've brushed under the carpet? It's been brushed under the carpet for 40, 50 years because people have been scared of being branded racist or Islamophobic. Surely you can't deny that. I don't know. Look, I'm not... Come on, you're a well-educated man. I won't go that far. I wouldn't go to say as it's been brushed under the carpet because it's all out of the carpet now. However, I don't want it brushed under the carpet. No, but it has been brushed under the carpet. It may be, but I... It would never have got to this stage if it wasn't... Again, and this is the case. Just own it. No, own what?

36:29Well, own it, there's Pakistani women gangs. I own the fact that there's been... I don't have nothing to do with me. They've got nothing to do with me like they've got nothing to do with you. But you haven't... They've got nothing to do with me, being one of us. They've got everything to do with me, the cunts. They've been raping fucking British children. Yeah, they're my children as well. So you should be concerned about them. I am concerned. I just said I'm bringing a death penalty. And I agree, and I'm glad you said that. But rather than sort of... What would Islam do to them? You tell me. It would execute them.

36:52The law should be able to deal with this with the capital punishment. But they won't do that, Liam, because too many rich, influential people would be caught up in it as well. But Muslims should condemn that wholeheartedly. Again, Liam. It should be such a simple answer. It's this thing. We've always got this collective guilt, right? I've just told you I want them executed. How much more condemnation do you want? And if there was a switch or a lever or a button, I'd be the one pulling it and pushing it. But you don't think there's any kind of link to Islam? No, not at all. Because none of the people doing it are claiming it to that.

37:22You would have to condemn your own prophet in order to say yes, wouldn't you? It's not about condemning. You want to make this connection between that and that. And these are just dirty, low-life, dog criminal perverts. Okay? If your wife walked in here now, I wouldn't shake her hand. Out of respect for your wife, out of respect for you, and out of respect for my religion. Okay? As a practising Muslim, I wouldn't do that. OK, how is a practicing Muslim going to go from not allowed to shake hands with a woman to apply them with drugs to have illegal sex with them? How many wives can a Muslim man have?

37:49Four. So you can have four wives, but you can't shake another woman's hand. How does that balance out? Because when you have a wife, you take responsibility for them. You know, you have to look out at them, care for them, feed them, clothe them, nurture them, love them, support them. There's all this goes with it. The fact is, I could probably shake hands with a woman and be fine at my age. OK, I'm not going to immediately fall in love with every woman I shake hands with. But Islam is a religion that deals with prevention rather than cure. Is that because there's something in them that's a bit perverse?

38:16No, because it was like this in the old days for us as well. But they were perverse back then. Well, okay. So like there was this etiquette that you couldn't, if you went out on a date back in the old days, you'd have to be chaperoned. You know, there would be like a couple of old ladies that followed you. So there was always this in our culture and our tradition, okay? Just that Islam has sort of maintained it, whereas we have now lost it completely, okay? Which is a shame because I love our culture. I love the British culture. Okay? And I love us. Okay? I love our people. It's a bit of a dichotomy.

38:43Not really. I would go to say to you that I'm more patriotic than you. Fuck off. You could say that. Here we go. Here's a question. Right, go on then. Explain to me how you're more patriotic than me. Because I want good for this country. Okay? I want this country to be peaceful, to be prosperous, to be rich, to be safe, to be educated, to be harmonious. I want this country to be good and everyone in it to live happily. And I don't want any trouble. I don't want any aggravation. I don't want civil war, which I think we're heading towards, if not civil unrest, at least. Okay. I want good for this country.

39:15I don't mind if we have a differences of opinion, as long as we can just deal with the differences of opinion. You live yours and I live mine. But ultimately, we have to have this sort of community spirit where we are working together. Because if this country goes shit, it goes shit for both of us. And do you think Islam is the best answer for the country? It's the only answer. It's the only answer. The only ultimate answer. The only ultimate answer. Okay. However, it's not an option. It's like I said, we are not going to take over militarily, politically or numberly. We're not. So for Britain to become more patriotic, it needs to become more Islamic.

39:47No, for anybody to look, you have to understand that as Muslims, we believe. Come on now. I'm on it. Don't worry. You're not got me. We believe that Islam is a deen. It's a way of life, not just a belief. All right. We believe it's the perfect way of life. Why? Why? Because God legislated it. OK, and if the creator of everything and everybody said this is the best way to live, then obviously it's going to be the ultimate. But we don't have that as an option now. So we can't let perfect be the enemy of good. Sometimes we just have to get on with what work with what we got. OK, so ultimately for me to be the best version of myself, OK, as a man, I would have to be.

40:23That would depend upon how much I'm practicing my religion. This is a difference between me. I only stick up for practicing Muslims. You might have heard it in videos. OK, practicing Muslims, Muslims that are giving it a go, Muslims that are trying. OK, I'm not interested in non-practicing Muslims. Let them deal with their own. Let them get themselves on track, okay? How do you define a non-practicing Muslim? Like a practicing Muslim, for example, would have to be praying five times a day. Standard behavior. Don't miss your prayers, okay? Stay away from the major haram, some of them like alcohol and drugs and things like this.

40:50What about dogs and music? I don't listen to music. Because it's haram. And I've got a dog, yeah. And I've got a dog. He lives in the conservatory, the guard dog. How do your... They probably lick you to death, but he looks hard. Out of fellow Muslims consider that. No, there's a difference of opinion in this thing. So most Muslims Because that is considered haram No it's not No it's not You don't listen to music No I don't Okay Is there any Do you want me to go on to the dog Or do you want me to do the music I mean fucking up Music's the biggest love of my life Yeah So that blows my mind And I fucking feel sorry for you I feel like you're missing out massively Don't feel sorry for me I feel sorry for you I know you aren't like that I know you do I feel like you're I'm here to help you mate I feel like you're slightly brainwashed Okay Do you ever think There could be room in your mind for doubt that you could have it wrong and you could be indoctrinated yourself and you could have, you know, got lost in the source a little bit?

41:39Lost in the source, no. Or are you definite? No, I'm 100%. I'm willing to die and I'm prepared to die for what I believe in and for what I stand for, okay? I love my life as a Muslim. I've lived your life to an extent. You know, I didn't become Muslim until I was 26. I'm now 55. So I've done all the stuff that you've done. I've done all the drinking, all the partying, all the stuff, all the party pills and everything else. I've done all that, okay? I've chased pleasure in pursuit of happiness, okay? I like a bit of pleasure, don't get me wrong. But when you chase pleasure in pursuit of happiness, you have to keep chasing it.

42:14But as a Muslim, there's an internal pleasure. There's an internal happiness. Knowing that you have a creator, knowing that you've connected with that creator, that God, and knowing that you worship that God in a way that he has told you, this is how I accept the worship, okay? So for me, whatever happens in my life, you know, illnesses, jobs, whatever, you know what I'm saying, whatever goes up and goes down, I always say one thing Alhamdulillah Meaning all praise Ultimate praise is due to God Because whatever happens to me Is for the best If I was to drop dead Before I got to the car In the car park Alhamdulillah That's it That would be it for me Okay If I was to drop dead At this table Alhamdulillah Okay So when you have that sort of Peace in your heart And peace in your soul Why would I want to go back To anything else I mean I've done all the rest of it And I left it And I could still do it If Allah wasn't in your life Would you feel completely lost Yeah I think anybody That doesn't have contact With it Because the whole point of this life, and this is a good question, okay?

43:04Because there's something that I wanted to mention to you anyway. So you have to understand how a Muslim looks at this life, okay? We look at this life from start to finish as a test. It's a test. Everything is a test. Some of it you're tested with money, lack of or more of. Some of it you're tested with relationships, health, whatever. Everything you go through is a test, okay? So this life to us is about, one, finding the creator, and then connecting and worshipping with that creator. because ultimately we come from Allah and we will return to Allah. Okay. So this whole journey, this whole life is just like, I like it.

43:37I look at it as like an airport. Okay. You get to the airport, there's a terminal, there's things to do, there's cafes, there's bars, there's shops. But ultimately you're not stopping there. You're moving on. And this life is just a stopgap to the next life. And that's how Muslims look at this life. This is why we put God in front of everyone, even family, but not in the same way that you might be thinking. You might love your wife, your kids, your parents, friends, family, whatever. But the love that you have for God is going to be of a different type. It's not going to be of a human type. But everything ultimately in this life is just a test.

44:08This podcast is a test. In fact, this podcast is a jihad for me. It's a struggle. Jihad means struggle, not war. I'm not going to pull out a sword or anything. This is just a struggle. It's just something I have to go through in order to get through to people. And in an ideal world, doing this podcast, is it a victory if someone listens and you convert just one person? See, conversion or people accepting Islam isn't down to me. Okay, Allah guides. We believe that God guides, okay? Our job or my job is to deliver the message as best as I can with my limited experience and knowledge, okay? And that's it.

44:41But you're the guy I come for, not your audience. I know that most of your audience hate me. I know they started this podcast hating me and most of them will finish this podcast hating me. You said a few outlandish things. Well, to them maybe. But again, Liam, you've had a lot of people sitting on this chair, right? and I do appreciate your complete honesty mind no look I haven't come here to light yet okay I wouldn't do that you've had a lot of people sitting in this chair and they've said some absolute bullshit about Islam some mad stuff why do you think so many people are critical of it because you bring them on okay oh it's my fault well it's your podcast it's my fault well it is your podcast but you do know that on thousands of other podcasts there's people that go on they're very critical of Islam so it's not me alright so I was just talking about you okay so you haven't they're talking all sorts of stuff about Islam right Mad stuff.

45:24Ex-Muslims as well. Okay, fine. No problem. But you never push back. You never say, hold on, that's a bit of a statement. Can you bring any evidence for that? Can you recite any evidence for what you just said? You just sit and smile at them. And I'm thinking, Liam, you're smarter than that, mate. Ask them a question or two. Or ask them to, because you're pushing me, like in the conversation, which is good. Well, when it comes to rape, no one's walking away free from me. I had Michael Jackson's bodyguard on here. And I do listen and I do nod because I'm more interested in the person's thoughts than my own opinion.

45:52but there's certain things I will not let go of. And when Michael Jackson's bodyguard come on and he was trying to justify kids in his bed, I wouldn't let it go. I'd come back to it and back to it and back to it. Would you let your child stay in Michael Jackson's bed? Yes or no? So there's certain things I won't budge on. Fine, you're entitled to budge or not budge what you want, okay? But the fact that you have so many people that are anti-Islam on your platform, okay, but you don't push back on them. You know, you don't say, okay, you've said something there. Let me, you had one guy said, what is it?

46:22There's 2.2 billion Muslims basically bullying Israel. How? Flipping heck, we bullying Israel. You've got Saudi Arabia, most of the Gulf states are in cahoots with them. Indonesia, the biggest Muslim populated country in the world has never even mentioned this. Come on, man. That's a big statement. I mean, there's no push. Just ask him a question back and say, well, that's a big one, mate. How do you justify that? You know what I mean? Just bring some evidence for it. You know that I'm atheist, whether you do or you don't. So I'm not religious in the least bit. But my least favourite based on what I know is Islam.

46:54Okay. And that's me being honest. So a lot of things I hear on repeat that I then see play out in real time. I mean, if Islam is so peaceful, why is there so much violence? Why do terrorists, when they slaughter innocent people, Charlie Hebdo, 9-11, 7-7 bombings, why do they shout Allah Akbar afterwards? Okay. So just to say about 100 % clear. You know what? When we talk about the age of Ayash, you know, just because people are going to moan at me, Liam, right? I'm going to answer this in a moment. Who will moan at you? There's some people that will say, Dowie, she wasn't six or nine. She was 16 or 19, based upon her older sister, Asma.

47:33When they migrated from Mecca to Medina, she was 10 years older than her. So she was 27 when she migrated. They bring up evidences, but there is an opinion, and the Shiites hold it, actually. You can't even agree with each other. No, it's not a case of agreeing because the age of Ayash is not in the Quran at all. It's not a statement from the Prophet, peace be upon him. So all we've got is Aisha's statements and other statements, historical statements, okay? So they will say, based upon this, okay, that she was 16 and 19, based upon these historical evidences that... Back in the days, and I'm sorry I'm digressing on this, but...

48:05Yeah, don't, we've covered that. Yeah, I just want to... But it would be unfair to the people that follow that opinion, not to mention it at least. But we're talking about you. Okay. Fuck them. Right. Come, come, come, come back to you. So the question is, every terror attack, and I've listed a few there, Yeah, they shout Allah Akbar afterwards. Okay. Which means... God is the greatest. Why would they do that if there's no link to Islam? Well, there is a link to Islam. Okay. For them. In their understanding of it. So what I have to understand as well, Liam, right, is that there's a lot of false flags.

48:35You know, I'm not saying there's not terrorists, Muslim terrorists, because there is. But first we have to define what a terrorist is. A terrorist, as I understand it, is somebody that uses violence or the threat of violence for political gain. Yes. Cool. So that means that what we've done with Iraq, with Tony Blair and that was terrorism. Because we killed a million people out there to change a regime. Oh, Blair's a piece of shit. Right. But we killed a million people out there on that. Wrong. It was wrong. Yeah, mate. Oh, great. I appreciate that. Of course it was fucking wrong. I appreciate you saying that.

49:00I hate Tony Blair. I'm not a fan of his either. I despise him. I despise him. He's vile. And I don't like, what's his name? Starmer. Good. I don't like him either, okay? However, so we were going to say terrorists, okay? There is a double standard here, okay? Now, when someone shouts, I mean, what you shout before you kill someone is irrelevant because the result is the same, isn't it? You know what I mean? They're still dead. No, it is very relevant. Come on. Because you get a Muslim here, okay, and I'm not saying there are Muslim terrorists, okay, and they are wrong. And again, anyone that goes outside the Quran and the Sunnah and the teachings of the Prophet, because Allah says in the Quran, whoever takes an innocent life, it is as if they have taken the whole of humanity and whoever saves an innocent life is as if they have saved the whole of humanity.

49:41So if you take an innocent life, like now, it's as though I've killed the whole of humanity in the eyes of God. in the eyes of Allah, okay? So, and it does happen. So there are these people out there, okay? But there's also false flags, operations, because like 9-11 itself would be one big bullshit, wouldn't it? Do you really believe that them aeroplanes took their buildings down like that? I don't think most people believe that now. I don't believe that. I believe someone took it down, who and how and everything, but it wasn't like that, as they said. What about the terror attacks that we absolutely know are Islamic?

50:11Charlie Hebdo, for example, they ridiculed the Prophet. Did they deserve to die? Why did they shout Allah Akbar? Again Liam, this is just another thing that only happens to Muslims is this collective guilt. It's like if this guy goes out and does a mad act, a crazy... It's only because no one seems to denounce them. Where are the moderates when you need them? Let rip into these cunts now. You've got the opportunity. Denounce these fucking radicals. Why are you putting... Look, okay, every Muslim... You're a spokesman for Islam. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. Are you not? No, not at all. I'm a spokesman for me.

50:43Well, you're doing a very good job of speaking for Islam. I'm trying, inshallah. We as Muslims are constantly put on the spot. It's like me saying, you denounce this, that this white guy done over there in another country. Ask me right now and I'll do it. Give me six and I'll fucking rip him a new arsehole. You do the same. Have you got the arsehole to do the same as what I have? I put my own man, I put my own father in jail. You're defending the prophet. He fucked a six-year-old. Nine-year-old. Again. No, don't tell me how to arsehole my fucking questions. It's rude to do that. I don't care what's rude and what ain't rude.

51:13It's rude for a 56-year-old man to fuck a nine-year-old. That's rude. You and me are different. Liam, please. If we're going to have a conversation, let's just keep it away from that. Okay, but I'm asking... Because you don't have to say that. I'm asking... You can make a point without saying that. Okay, but you're trying to compare us and we're different, brother. I'm trying. Maybe we are, maybe we aren't, okay? I don't back away from no one. I will throw my own under the bus if they harm a child. You ask me a question about terrorism. Okay, let's... And now you've jumped back to the other conversation about the profit.

51:42Okay, well, let's go back to terrorism. So let's go back to terrorism. Denounce them. Liam, I denounce anybody. Terrorists of Muslim and non-Muslim terrorists, okay, that kill innocent people. And is there more Islamic terror attacks than there are any other? No, no. In the UK? In the West? In the UK and in the West? I think the Islamic terrorist attacks are about 12.5 % of terrorist attacks. And I think there's 54 point something percent of media coverage on that 12%. So there's a disproportionate amount of like these advertising, reporting on these terrorist attacks. Okay. But if I'm going to, if I'm going to condemn the Muslim terrorists, and I do condemn the Muslim terrorists, because Allah says in the Quran, whoever takes innocent life takes it.

52:26When a Muslim kills someone on a beach, we call, and they shoot in people, we call that a terrorist attack. Right. And I agree it is. So I condemn it, Ilyam. When the IDF killed 400 civilians in a day, they call that a ceasefire. You see how they frame it differently. When a Muslim blows somebody up or blows up the building, we call that a terrorist attack. And it is a terrorist attack. And I condemn it. When the IDF put a missile into a hospital, it's called a precision strike. You see the difference in terminologies. When a Muslim drives a car into a crowd, it's called a terrorist attack. And it is a terrorist attack.

52:56And I condemn it. The IDF could use food as a weapon of war. And it's called self-defense. You see how they just frame it differently. If it was a Muslim, if Epstein was called Ahmed, everyone would be having a mental breakdown. I tell you what I can see here. I can see the what about Rory. Can you agree that you're doing the what about everything? What I'm trying to do with you, Liam, and what I came here to sort of point out to you a bit is that you are very one-sided and I want you to be fair. I don't mind you asking us the tough questions. I don't mind you putting us under the spotlight. You do more for Islam than most Muslims.

53:24Well, where's my thanks? Thank you. You're welcome. Because the more you talk about Islam, the more people are getting into, the more people are listening to it, okay? So you do a lot by accident propagating the religion. However, I want you to be the double standards of this is a terrorist attack and this is this and this is that. Okay, fine, I condemn them. But we're going to have to condemn all of them then. And we should condemn all of them. And you did it. You said what we did in Iraq where we killed a million people was terrorism. Political terrorism. Okay, so if we're going to condemn it and we should condemn it, then we have to condemn it all across the board, don't we?

53:52We do. We can't just pick and choose. We do. But because you speak out constantly about in defence of Islam, and today we are talking about you, your life as a convert, revert. I want to ask about that as well. I just want to stick to Islam. Okay. So I just want you to define these people that kill at will for political gain and then shout Allah Akbar. Just them. I'm against all of them. Okay. Okay, you said something a moment ago about where are the moderate Muslims that call this out? Yes, I don't see many. Do you? Yeah. Where are they? There's loads, mate. Why are they not online? They are online.

54:28What's the Tuck Theory? I don't know. Okay, what's the coverage? I don't know. Because it doesn't come up on your algorithms, okay? And it's not your fault because you have a particular algorithm that feeds you a particular type of content. I'm telling you, there's books written, novels of books written. There is talks given by scholars. There are massive refutations going on in our community. And it is out online, by the way. It's just that you don't understand it or you don't get to see it. But I'm promising you it's there. We spend most of our time battling ourselves against this. Well, here's something fair for you then.

54:58Promote six people or Instagram pages or scholars or any Islamic expert. Do it right here and now. Six of them that are moderate, that denounce and call out radical Islam. They call out fucking political jihad, gang rape, all of the things that Islam are associated with. What, you want me to call... Just promote them. Just promote six, four, five, six people so people can go and find them. I'll tell you now, you know there's different types of sex in Islam, different types of groups in Islam. You're giving me a political response again? No, I'm giving you a... You need to give me six names right now and people can go and follow them and we can think, shit, moderates do exist.

55:34Thank you. Most of the scholars, Sheikh Ibn Bas, Sheikh Albani, Sheikh Uthameen, Sheikh Ibn Taymir, these are major scholars in Islam, yeah? They're contemporary scholars too, okay? Every single one of them has made the most, a lot of their talk is about condemning this stuff. You don't hear it, Liam, because you've probably never heard them names before, okay? That's fine. But most of it goes on. And, you know, you had a guest on, I don't know, a few podcasts ago. He was from St. Albans. He was a journalist. and he spoke about Al Margaroon and Anjam Chowdhury and people like this, okay? Well, I have a different insight to that, okay?

56:12Because I was on the inside. He was a journalist from St. Albans. It's a nice area, St. Albans. You don't know if you know it. It's quite well off, okay? So when they talk to him, right, they're going to talk to him for effect. Yeah, we're doing this. We're taking over. I was on the inside. Not on the inside with Al Margaroon, on the inside against Al Margaroon. Against. Right. So I can tell you what was happening on the inside. against them. With the Muslim community in Luton, how they got it stuck on them, how they got threatened, how they got bashed up sometimes, all sorts went on. Most of the meetings that went on, I mean, it was about seven or eight meetings between some of the guys in Luton, some of the higher...

56:48Well-known Muslim people in the community. I'm not talking imams. I'm talking capable guys. Okay. A lot of them meetings were done around my house. Not the one I'm living in now, but the one I lived in before. What is Muslim gangsters? No, not Muslim gangsters. Top boys. Respected people. Tough lads. Respected lads. Older guys, even older than me. Uncles. Uncles. I'm an uncle. Okay. Maybe not your uncle, but I have an uncle with some, yeah? You know, most of the meetings were about, it wasn't about the EDL. Because this was in the time of the EDL, okay? It was about how do we deal with the Al-Majoran?

57:18How do we deal with these young lads? And I'm telling you now, this guy, he cited one name in his podcast called Saiful Islam, and he was one of the heavies. He was not. If Saiful sat in, I'll tell you, he ain't. Still a scumbag though, yeah? I disagreed heavily, okay, with his views with Islam. And he got beat up a few times. He got punched up a few times by Muslims. Because they were banned from all mosques that I know. Right? The mosques banned them. All right. They might have crept in on occasions and I like sneaked in, prayed and sneaked out again. But if the committee members or people see them in there, they were not officially allowed in.

57:53They used to have a table in the main street in Berry Park, right, where they would hand out their leaflets. All of the shopkeepers complained to the council and the police, OK? And said, we don't want them here. They weren't really allowed in the shops. They were getting a lot, you know, no one wanted them around, OK? And there's a group of about 10 of them. We're probably seven or eight hangers on. So like one foot in, one foot out, but maybe 10 of them that were like, it's quite strong in it. Yeah. So the police said to one of the mosques, okay, that I was in at the time, we can't move them off that spot because they're not causing a disturbance.

58:25If they cause a disturbance, we can move them off and they can't come back. So after a Friday prayer, a Jumma prayer, it was said that we're all going to go down there. I didn't agree with this, but I went along with it stupidly. And we're going to make a noise and the police are going to move them off because there'll be a disturbance of the peace and they wouldn't be allowed there. So we did that. Went down there. There's a lot of hooming and hawing and screaming and shouting. It was a bit muggy. It was a bit weird. Anyway, the police stepped in because they were expecting it, because they were told that it was going to happen.

58:50They were moved off, okay? The next week, they were back there again with the police around them. So I went up to the policeman. I went up. I was nearer than I am to you now. And I says, I thought they weren't allowed back. He goes, we've been told if anyone comes near them, they're going to get arrested. So who wanted them there? The shopkeepers didn't want them. The mosque in the community didn't want them. Nobody wanted them. But who kept them there? until there was a very small group, a very small group, but noisy. And every time the media would come down, who do you think they'd go and find to talk to?

59:16Amjad Chowdhury is a nobody in this religion. He's a nobody. He's not got any knowledge. He's not a scholar. He's not someone you take knowledge from. I think your friend said he was an expert in this. He's not, I can promise you. I swear by God, Wallahi, he's not. Okay, he's not Hafiz of Quran. He's not a Mahadith, a scholar of Hadith. He's not sat with any scholars, not studied with any scholars. He's not been to any Islamic universities. He's just the guy. It's like me going to the Ku Klux Klan. and saying to them, I find someone in Mississippi and say, I'm going to take my Christianity from you.

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1:01:01He didn't. That's why I'm not challenging everything you say, I'm just listening to you roll with it. The core members were about 10. Okay. The hangers-ons was about eight or nine, maybe 10 again at most. That's it, maximum. People will be chopping this podcast up and posting it on their own platforms. 100%. You're going to get the likes of Mohammed Hijab, Ali Dawah, the usual Islamic faces that push the faith ideology. What are your views on them prominent figures? Because they'll think you're on the same team. Team as in Islamic team, you mean? Team is team. Okay. Because you pray to the same God, they'll assume that you're on the same team.

1:01:39How do you think about those people? I don't necessarily, I've only met Muhammad Hijam once. What do you think of their views? Some of the things they've said at Speaker's Corner. Again, I don't go to Speaker's Corner. I've been at Speaker's Corner, but I don't like it. But you've heard what they've said. A little bit here and there, yeah. It goes in this level, yeah? So you've got scholars. So scholars teach. What do you think about those people? I just asked you about. I'm going to get to where they come in a pecking order of things, okay? But what do you think of those people? You're giving a politician's response again.

1:02:02No, I'm giving you a full answer. There's scholars that teach. It's the scenic route answer. It's like you're swerving it. I don't agree with everything everybody says, including Muhammad Hijab and including Ali Dawa and even including me sometimes. Sometimes I look back at a video and go, I shouldn't have said that that way, okay? It happens. The more public speaking you do in public, the more you're going to put your foot in your mouth at some point. Do you think they're good people though? I think generally they mean well. I think they have good intentions. They have good hearts. They have, Muhammad Hijab has more knowledge than Ali Dawa.

1:02:30I don't think Ali Dawah would deny that. They're busy. They're active in the Dawah, in the calling towards Islam. They do a lot. So you're in support of them? Not in everything. Look, people can be, I can agree and disagree with the same person simultaneously. Some things they say are fine and other things I wouldn't say that way. I wouldn't word it that way or I wouldn't necessarily hold that point of view. However, I'm sure Muhammad Hijab would come on your podcast and he's big enough and smart enough to talk for himself. But I'm just curious, as you're my guest, so I want to know how you tick.

1:02:59Look, they would consider themselves dais. And a dais is someone that calls towards the religion, that propagates the religion, not a scholar, not a student of knowledge, but someone that calls towards the religion. So sometimes all of us, including myself, say things that you shouldn't say. Now, if you're going to say in 2026, I would marry my daughter to a nine years old, I'd say. Nobody I know has ever said that. No Muslim I personally hang around with, and I've been a Muslim for 28 years, has ever said that. I've never heard it. And never once. I've never heard a Muslim in 28 years. And I've mixed with him in gyms, in mosques, in coffee shops, you name it, right?

1:03:36Houses. Not one of them has ever said, we agree with terrorism. Not one. Never. Not one. So when you're putting out what Muhammad Hijab said or Ali Daw says. Do they call it out, though? Yeah. All the time. Publicly? Yeah. Well, yeah. Publicly within ourselves. And look. Why not to the broader audience? We do. We do, Liam. I promise you we do. Well, a lot of us are missing that. There was 500 mosques, okay? I think in 2013 that openly statements official statements condemned grooming gangs and everything else did you hear about it no why because it wasn't you know it wasn't in the favour to give you that information no I'll tell you why I didn't hear about it because it wasn't said fucking loud enough or long enough what else do you want them to do I mean look honestly more again Liam we're not in this thing look this is the collective guilt all the time Muslims are constantly put on to condemn this condemn that condemn this but it never happens to anyone else it's because you skirt around it I don't skirt around anything I've answered your questions as directly as I can.

1:04:29You've not given me one straight answer. It's always been... Well, I haven't given you the answer you wanted. No, you have in the end because I've squeezed it out of you. But you've been... You go around the houses. You don't compare lemons with lemons. You give a politician's response. That's what people are sick about. If you ask me a question, I'll give you the most direct answer. It will take me 10 seconds and there'll be no misunderstanding. You have to put context to an answer. Okay? It's not just sometimes it's yes and no. And sometimes I have to... Because you constantly ask these questions.

1:04:53And sometimes you have to set a platform to answer it. So I have to say to you, if something happened 14 and a half hundred years ago in this country was happening in 1880. You understand? So sometimes that matters to the answer. That is important for the answer. Now, when you're coming back to Muhammad Hijab… But sometimes you just need a straight answer. And I did. Nowadays, 2026, if someone asked to marry my daughter at nine, they would be getting a smack in the mouth at best. Probably a lot worse. All right. However, when you're asking me about different dais, different talkers, Ali Dawa and Muhammad Ijab, I can't answer for what they said.

1:05:26I don't watch a lot of their content. I'm genuinely, okay. I know Ali Dawa briefly. I've been to his podcast studio once. I didn't do a podcast with him. It was just to meet somebody else. Muhammad Ijab I met once. And that wasn't a deliberate meeting. That was in a mosque that he come to. And I was my youngest, my second eldest son wanted to go down and meet him. So I went down because it was my local mosque. But it was only a very brief conversation. He probably won't even remember it. So, again, these are not people that I would take knowledge from. These are not people that I would sit and study with.

1:05:54They're not people that I would take fatwa from. But Muhammad Hijab, for sure, has got more knowledge than me in the deen. There's a valid doubt. No question about it. Yeah, I wasn't asking a question. I never like to ask people questions about their family. And I don't know the answer to this. And I'm not saying that you have or you haven't. Right. But let's just say hypothetically that you had a daughter and she was at the Ariande Grande concert and got blown up by an Islamist. Is there a chance that you'd reconsider your faith? Because whoever did that at the concert was acting opposite to the religion.

1:06:27Opposite. You're not supposed to take an innocent life. I mean, it's very simple. It's very clear. It's not unambiguous. And even in war, you know, even in battles, okay, there is very strict rules to battles. You're not supposed to hurt anyone in the farm fields. like people that are working. You're not supposed to cut down trees or foliage, okay? Anybody that doesn't have a weapon, you don't fight. Women and children, obviously, you don't fight. If they put down their sword or their arms, you take them as a prisoner and you either release them out of kindness or you ransom them for other prisoners.

1:06:57But you can't kill them or torture them or anything like that. So there's very strict rules to even battles. So to go in and randomly blow people up is against my religion. So it wouldn't make me want to change my religious beliefs. I would just hate the person that did it. because they acted against the religion of Islam. You know all the violent verses in the Quran that you will most definitely say to me are taken out of context? Am I right? It depends how you take them. I don't know. Okay. Why are there so many violent verses in the Quran? There's more in the Bible. There's way more in the Bible.

1:07:29I know you're not a Christian, but there's way more in the Bible, okay? What about strikes again? No, it's context because you're asking me this question. I'm asking you about the Quran, not the fucking Bible. All right. So again - You're a Muslim, not a Christian. Okay. I'll ask the Christians about the Bible. But you don't. No, I do. Okay. Well, I'd like to see you do that. And the Talmud. Don't watch me speak to Bob. We spoke about the life of Brian. You know, I don't like this, Bob. You know, in the Talmud. You'd have trouble with Bob. I don't waste my time with people that, you know. We'd get the better, have you?

1:07:56Yeah, all right. Yeah, maybe. Okay. Again, this isn't for me about winning and losing. This is trying to deliver a message, okay? So in the Talmud, okay, if you're going to talk about it, it says that Jesus. We're talking about the Quran fight. Forget the fucking Talmud. Forget the Bible. Forget... Okay. But you just want to go on about the Quran. Every single verse in the Quran about war, about battles, right? Let me answer the question for you, okay? Why are there so many violent verses in the Quran? There isn't. And every single one... There isn't. And every single one of them... Are they taken out of context?

1:08:26It depends how you take them. Probably by yourselves, yeah. Okay? Every single one of them. At the end of it, it says, and do not exceed the limits set by your Lord. It means stay within the boundaries of battle. Okay? A lot of these only apply... the ones about war only apply to war. They only apply to a battlefield. They don't apply outside of that. They don't apply in everyday life. They don't apply to civilians. They only apply in a very specific time and a specific situation. They're not applicable outside of that situation. Simple as that. They're not applicable here. So why do we see so many imams reciting those verses on social media all the time?

1:08:59Why are they bringing them up? Who recites them? Are you telling me your algorithm doesn't find these? My algorithm is, there's a lot of you on it now, by the way. my algorithm does give me a lot of Islamic content but just because someone puts up a verse or someone quotes a verse from the Quran like I said, they're not scholars none of them are you're very hard with the scholars don't speak English most of the time but why are these verses being said on repeat? why are they so violent? are they taken out of context? or is Islam a brutal, vile religion? is it barbaric? if it was, we'd all be at war well a lot of you are no we're not, where?

1:09:32where are we at war? we're only at war when you're in our countries everywhere you go you seem to take over Oh, really? Well, yeah. Wow, I'd like to give an example of that. Because the white Western man, okay, from Britain and from America, they always come at this from a moral high position, the moral standard bearers of morality. Everywhere that we've been around the world, we go around to the world and we say, right, we're imposing our moral standards on your country. Okay, India had the highest GDP in the world before we opened an India dot company there or wherever it was, right? We go around the world and say, right, we're going to impose democracy, liberalism on you because it's better for you.

1:10:06Obviously, we are the standard bearers of democracy and we are the standard bearers of morality. So we're going to, you have to now judge, we will now judge your morality based upon ours. OK, and then when some of the people accept it and then when the ones that don't accept it, oh, they must be brainwashed. They must be backwards. They must be uneducated. They must be thick. I know what we'll do. We'll set laws to say that they have to choose it now. It's not fair, mate. So when you say that we're at war with everyone, where are we at war other than when we have been invaded by foreign states?

1:10:33And you do tend to play the victim as a religion as well, that I've noticed. No, answer that one. When are we at war in countries where we have not been invaded? Every country you've stepped into, as far as I can see. When are we in this country? We've, in the First World War... And I think it's in progress in the UK at the moment. It's not. It's just a gaslighting thing. In the First World War... We'll see in 10 years' time. Well, let's see. Hopefully I'm wrong. Hopefully you're wrong. No, hopefully I'm wrong. Yeah, hopefully you're wrong. Yeah, hopefully. Yeah, fucking hell. Okay. Inshallah.

1:11:00Inshallah. 900 ,000 Muslim soldiers died in the First World War. 1.5 million died in the Second World War. 5 million fought in the Second World War. Okay. Then they was invited over in the 50s, as you know, to build, work, you know, industrialise, help industrialise the country again, repopulate the country. What did you think was going to happen? I mean, honestly, no one's come. I don't know anybody, any Muslim, I'm not going to sit here and lie, that's saying, yeah, we want to take over Britain. We would like you to be more Christian, actually. We would actually like you to be a more Christian country because we have the same moral sort of...

1:11:33Our Prophet, peace be upon you, the closest people to you from the book, means the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims, are the Christians. And he put his fingers together and said, they're the closest to you, as in their manners and everything else. Have no problem with that. Would you not like Britain to be governed under Sharia? It's not going to be. But would you like it to be? I'll tell you what I'd like. I'd like you to pay me 10 grand for this podcast. It ain't going to happen, is it? Fucking right. So what I want isn't irrelevant. Is it irrelevant? No, it is. I want to know how you feel.

1:11:57Okay. You're avoiding questions again. Would you like Sharia law to be enforced in the UK? Yes or no? Yes or no? No, how do you understand Sharia law? Because you already have a lot of it anyway. You have a lot of Sharia law. I'm not talking about the Sharia courts. I'm talking about so much Sharia law. You have Sharia in this country. Stony women for adultery, amputation for theft. Would you like to see Sharia in the UK? Liam, it doesn't exist like that. Would you like to see that version of it in the UK? Okay, listen. You can't answer a straight question. Can you see how frustrated people get with Islam?

1:12:23Because you cannot answer a straight question. No, because I'm not going to answer it the way you want me to answer it. I'm going to answer it the way I feel it should be answered. But it's not a yes or no. But you said that you wouldn't tell me how to answer a question and you're doing exactly that. You were telling me exactly how to answer a question. Or I'm telling you, whereas we sat outside, you said, no, I'm not going to tell you how to answer a question. I'll ask you how you want to answer it. I'll make you right. You did say that. But if you do waffle about... I'm not waffling. You said, do you want Sharia law in this country?

1:12:45How do you understand Sharia law? Because it's context to what you want to understand of it. What do you think Sharia law is exactly? Stoning women for adultery and chopping off people's arms for theft. For example, Sharia law. Do you know how that happens? Do you know how, do you know how that... Do you know, can you see how you're not answering my question? No, I'm going to tell you, 500 years the Ottoman Empire ruled the Islamic Khalafi, yeah? How many people were either executed or had their hands chopped off in 500 years? Five. Okay. Five. No, no, no, no. In order to you to be stoned for adultery, okay, four reputable witnesses, and that probably wouldn't be me and you, okay, four reputable witnesses that haven't lied, have a great reputation, have to see the act of not just sex rolling around in the bed, have to see the act of, and the prophet said, they're pen entering the inkwell, like penetrative sex.

1:13:31They have to see this, four of them, at the same time, the act of adultery, okay? Is this adultery or rape? Because I've heard the same for rape. No, it's not. No one gets punished for being raped. How can you punish the victim? I've heard that unless there's multiple witnesses that witness the rape, it's null and void at best. Is that not true? No, it's not true. Okay. Do you want to see Sharia law in the UK? So, you have a lot of it now. But let me ask you, because I was going to say... The Barbaric version. It's not about, because the actual implementation of that, like stoning someone, is almost impossible to get to.

1:14:06How are you going to get four people watching you actually have sex with someone? I mean, at the same time, that is. Well, we know it goes on in the world, don't we? Because we've seen videos of it actually happening. And how many, again, you could go back to Afghanistan, and a lot of it went on in Syria with ISIS. Do you want Sharia law in the UK? I won't ask again, because it's fucking boring. Yes or no? The Sharia law that I would want in this country, yes. Okay. But not the version that you have in your head. Because you think everyone's going to walk around, their hands cut off, and people are getting stoned in Trafalgar Square.

1:14:34It doesn't, it's not like that. You have a, you have a, you know what you have here? You have a, we have a National Health Service, don't we? That's Sharia law. You got that from Islam. You have a judge and a jury. Where'd you get that from? You have prisons. Where'd you get that from? A lot of this is already Sharia. And the idea of Sharia is to bring peace, not to bring chaos. The idea of Sharia is to bring harmony in community, stability, law. It's not to cause It's not to cut our fans It's not to stone people That's the worst case scenario That's the worst case scenario It's not here to do that Islam isn't here to bring chaos It's here to bring peace What about if you leave Islam?

1:15:05Would that be chaotic? No, you just open a YouTube channel And tell everyone And you wouldn't be in trouble? Are they in trouble to do it now? A lot of them get death threats In other countries In other countries they get killed Look, the fact of the matter is Is your version of Islam worldwide or do you think it's different in different countries or should be different in different countries? There is one Islam, okay? There's, different countries have different ways of practicing it in different ways. For when it comes to the apostasy law about being killed, we have the similar law here already.

1:15:36It's called the treason law. Technically, you could get killed for treason in this country. I think in the Second World War was the last time we executed people for treason, all right? So if you're born in a Muslim country, so this is where context matters, where I can't just say yes or no, okay? You're born in a Muslim country, You're raised as a Muslim. You've given allegiance to the leaders and you've given allegiance to the Islamic State. If there's no Islamic State, it doesn't count, by the way. And then you come out and you say, I'm no longer Muslim. And then you go to encourage people to leave the religion and you go against the leaders.

1:16:04This is treason. Again, normally the Qadi, the judge, has the ruling on this. Okay, he has a ruling. If you're found guilty of this, then the only case is that's when it goes to the leader, it goes to the emir, where he can say just banish him from the country or whatever his ruling is. But if people just leave the religion and people leave the religion every day in Muslim countries, if you stop praying five times a day, there's a very strong opinion that I follow that you've now left the religion. Okay? If there's many, many Muslims that don't pray or supposedly Muslims, many Muslims don't fast in Ramadan.

1:16:34There's many Muslims that don't do these things. They're fine. No one touches it. It's only when you come out. You can drink alcohol as a Muslim as long as it's not in public. That's a sin between you and God. Okay? You can be gay as long as it's not out in public. It's a sin between you and God. If it's behind closed doors, it's your problem. Okay. When you bring it out into the public, it becomes a law problem. So we are forbidden. There's very strict hadith about spying on another Muslim. So if I just peek through your windows and I see you drinking a bottle of whiskey and I went and told someone, I'll be the one punished.

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1:17:43Ay, yes! I like that. The certified fresh series returns. You're boss. You always like this? Or is this just an act? Oh no, this is mad. Oysters, everybody! There's a certain satisfaction when you work with someone. Maybe we could be a family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th, only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to laugh. Does the same go for terrorism? Oh, you'll be executed straight away. But if you knew that your neighbor was a terrorist, would you be in the wrong grasp? That's different because it's about saving life. It's different between drinking whiskey and saving life.

1:18:17If you just committed a sin of drinking whiskey or living with another man, but it wasn't public. And it's because preservation of life is everything in Islam. I could drink alcohol if I had to preserve life. I could eat pork if I had to preserve life. Okay. So like, yeah, if there's nothing else to eat and I'm not going to die until I get to somewhere I can eat, I can pretty much eat what I need to eat to survive, to get to some safety. So preservation of life takes priority in that situation. If you were to watch or see witness two gay men kissing in public, would you be for... I don't like it.

1:18:49Would you be for throwing them off a building and killing them? No, not at all. So you're not that... No, none of us are. When does it happen? None of us are. No, not really. No, not really. Look, see what you do is you take your religious understanding about Islam from people like Amjan Chowdhury, is it? I forget his name. Okay? And then it's like, and then you say, yeah, they'll do this, they'll do that. It doesn't even happen in Muslim countries. It didn't happen at the time of the Prophet peace be upon him. It didn't happen at the time of the U 'amun Empire. This is just something, yeah, technically that would happen if they went out and actually had each other in public, like literally had sex in the middle of a market.

1:19:25Might be a problem. But if you're doing it behind closed doors, that's between you and Allah. That's a sin between you and you can, you know, make your repentance that way. But it wouldn't mean that you are, I wouldn't. In this country now, the religion tells us follow the law of the land. That's it. So I have to follow the law. And I do follow the law of the land. I don't break the law. I don't get into trouble. I want to get into trouble. So the religion teaches us as guests in this country. This is not an Islamic country. Why are there so many terror organisations within Islamic countries? Like who?

1:19:56Hezbollah, ISIS. Well, Hezbollah have only been around 20 years. Al-Qaeda. Who cares if they've been around 20 minutes? But where did they come from? Why are they an Islamic terror? I would say the IDF is a terrorist organisation. What about Reagan? Again, stick to the script, stick to Islam. Why do you think there's so many Islamic terrorist organisations if Islam's so peaceful? And there's a plethora of them, you know that. There's 2.2 billion Muslims on the planet, something like that, unaccountable, but there's a lot. And there's a lot of terror groups also. Why? Not really many terror organisations.

1:20:24There is these groups, and again, I'll go back to, if they're stepping outside the Quran and the Sunda teachings, Allah says in the Quran, stand for justice, even against your own self and your king folk. So if my own sons steps outside of the teachings of Islam, the true teachings of Islam, then I will be against my own sons and I will be against my own self. Okay. So again, it's this collective guilt that we all have to condemn everything. I've never been to Sudan. I'm not going to go to, by the way, I don't think. I've got no plans to go into Afghanistan. I've got no plans to go to Somalia.

1:20:55So really for me to answer about why there are terrorist groups out there, it's kind of like, like me asking you, why is the Ku Klux Klan burning people in Mississippi? I don't know, is the answer. However, I condemn it if they're outside the thing. But if I'm going to condemn them, Liam, right, if I'm going to condemn them once, and I do condemn them for the record, right, and then I'm going to condemn the other ones as well. I'm going to condemn the IDF. I'm going to condemn all of them because they do the same shit. They kill innocent people, but on a far bigger scale, much bigger scale. And don't forget, when it comes to the Palestinian, I don't really want to go into the Palestinian thing, but look, look what's happened to the Palestinians.

1:21:28I mean, there's no Hezbollah in the West Bank, but they're still taking the land out. They're still taking their homes. They're still expanding into the West Bank, which is against international law. So what do you think? These people are just, would you sit in this country, sit on your hands, if someone invaded you and just said, right, your house is now our house, Liam. And that's it. You know why? Because God told us 5 ,000 years ago, it's our house. What would you do? I'm sure you wouldn't just wipe your mouth and just walk away, would you? You would fight. What do you expect people to do, man?

1:21:53It depends what version of the story that you're, that you prescribe to. Someone invades me, they're coming under it, period. Somebody walks in and out, What are they going to do? They're coming under him. Fair enough. What do you think they're doing then? The argument is that they're the aggressors. Who? Well, Hanas. Oh, please. How can the invaded be the aggressors against the invaders? So October the 7th, what happened? Did they invade? Well, apparently, again, Liam, you understand that, again, and if innocent people were killed on September, October the 11th. October the 7th. October the 7th, sorry.

1:22:23If innocent people were killed, and I have reason to believe that they was, so I'm not going to show you about beheaded babies and all that. I've seen the footage, I can tell you. But I haven't. It happened. All right, I haven't. I've seen it. I haven't. So I can't say yes or no, but let's say innocent people were killed. A lot of them were killed, okay? So I condemn that. However, two things can be simultaneously wrong at the same time, but one can be more wrong because they didn't exist before they were pushed into an open air prison, basically. So in your opinion, are Hamas a terrorist organisation?

1:22:50Or are they freedom fighters? Again, one man's terrorist and another man's freedom fighter. Again, okay? So if I was in a situation, so me sitting here in a nice cosy studio in England, passing judgment on Palestinians isn't really befitting. If I was a Palestinian and lived under what they lived under for the amount of time they've lived under it, I would probably have the same points of view that they have because I'll be in that situation. But I'm not in a situation, so it's not fair of me to say yes or no to this because I'm not there. Just like if someone invaded my, if someone invaded this country, I'd fight.

1:23:19100%. I don't know what good I would be, but I'd have a go. Okay. If an Islamic country invaded the UK, who would you fight for? I would defend the country. Why? Because they've got no reason to, attack this country. Who's going to do it? Morocco is the nearest Muslim country to this country. Hypothetical question. Is it country first or Islam first for you? Islam is always going to be first. Before the country? No, before me. Before my family. Before my kids. Before everything. So for you, Islam comes before the country, which in my opinion makes you dangerous. No, no, no. Because the two can simultaneously exist.

1:23:52Like I said, I don't break the law. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I pay my bills. I pay my taxes. I help old ladies across the road. I'm not a problem in this country. I don't not break the law because of the police. I don't break the law because I don't break the law. But you still put Islam first. I put Islam before me. That's fucking mental. Well, I was created by the creator, the God, Allah. So I'm not going to put, a country is just a country. I'm going to be leaving this country at some point, maybe in the next 30, 40 years. How did you find Allah? What made you convert to Islam?

1:24:21Let's go on to you, because we could back and forth about the minutia of Islam all day long. Yeah. Tell me how you found Islam. Was you lost? No, not at all. Struggling? No. Battling? I wasn't in prison. I wasn't addicted to alcohol or drugs. I wasn't in a bad place. I had a girlfriend. I had a newborn baby. I was regularly working on the building sites. You know, you don't have jobs, but I had regular work with the same people. I had a flat. Life was pretty normal. Did you feel like the hand of him? Or did something happen? The epiphany? So what it was, when I had my firstborn son with my then girlfriend, okay, I decided to make, I think kids make or break you as a man.

1:24:59You either step up and become a man or you just melt and become pointless. Okay. So I knew that there was something else going on. There had to be something. Bigger than you. Yeah. You know, I didn't know what it was and I wasn't subscribed to any particular religion, although I would have called myself Christian. But, and if you were getting married or getting buried, I would have gone to church. But other than that, I wasn't what you would call a Christian. Okay. So I decided. So one day I went to, there's like a playground hill where I live, in Marsh Farm is where I live in Luton. Okay. And I said to God, I pointed up at the sky at night time and it says, I'm going to come and find you.

1:25:35You're not going to have to find me. Wherever you are, I'm going to come and get you. I'm going to find you. Okay. So obviously the first people I spoke to were who? Christians. One of my best friends was a pastor of a church. I don't know, Luton is heavy. Yeah, but again, we had problems with the Pakistanis there. But I was at sort of odds with them a lot of the time. Yeah. So we was having it backwards and forwards all the time. I wasn't friends with them then. I knew some of them and I used to train with some of them. I'm a bit older than your friend, yeah? I'm 55, yeah? You would have been trained at Storm.

1:26:04Yeah, I did train at Storm. But we also trained at Powercraft. And anyone that was anyone back in the old days, it was before your fella's time, trained at Powercraft gym. And then I trained at Storm under Amir, who's the same coach as Andrew Tate. Tate's. Okay. I trained there at the same time as Andrew Tate, but not with him. because I was doing MMA and he was doing kickboxing. And he was always the same even then. He ain't changed. Anyway. Is he a force for good or a force for bad for Islam? Just quickly. No one is a force for good for Islam. No one brings anything good to Islam. Islam only brings good to them.

1:26:37Islam only benefits me. I don't benefit it. You know that I don't dislike all Muslims, didn't you? Well, again. I'm just critical of the ideology. Okay, fine. Just in case you sit here thinking Liam fucking hates me because... No, no. If you did or you didn't, you know, I'd still come here anyway. I expect most of the audience will hate me even more now anyway I'll invite you back for a part two I'm interested our pit will tick you might change your mind in five years I doubt it I've been 28 now 28 years yeah sorry go back to you sorry mate so I spoke to Christians pastor of a church Jonathan was his name he was a happy clappy pastor I spoke to Jehovah's Witnesses I spoke to some Hindus that I knew I spoke to some Buddhists that I knew from martial arts I spoke to whoever I could very rarely I spoke to Muslims I didn't know any Jewish people because they don't live on council estates okay although I would have done I would have liked to have done okay and I still would like to actually and then I invited some Muslims to my house only to ask them a question like you said Jesus wasn't crucified but I it's common knowledge that he was crucified and he didn't come around my house and I asked him again they didn't come again and then I asked him again they didn't come again so I'll go to the mosque and I'll ask the question myself so I went to a mosque in Whitechapel in the East End and it was Ramadan I didn't know it was Ramadan at the time.

1:27:49And you don't know whether you are aware of this, but we have extra long prayers called Tarawih prayers in Ramadan. They go on for about an hour and a half. Because your five a day ain't enough. We do more, yeah. It's never enough, mate. It's never enough. I love praying, okay? So when I come here before, you said I'm walking around. I was trying to find somewhere to pray before I leave. Okay? Because that's the first thing I do when I get anywhere, okay, is look for where I can pray when it's time to pray. So I went in the mosque, sat at the back. These guys were praying and praying and praying.

1:28:13I'm thinking, mate, these are a religious bunch of people if they do this every day of the year. Anyway, they finished eventually, obviously. And I spoke to some guys in there, some Arab guys, probably the only Arab guys in there. I asked them some questions about Islam, about Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him. And when they answered it, I said, well, what am I looking for then? If I'm sincere and sincerity finds the truth, it doesn't keep asking questions. I just accepted Islam there and then. So then I wasn't prepared for what come next, I'll be honest. They stuck me in an Arab wash, in a shower, and they stuck a load of Bangladeshi clothes on me, covered me in musk perfume.

1:28:49Straight away? Well, you have a wash and then, you know, they were just trying to be friendly, you know. And then what happened, I went home, got back to my then girlfriend's house, dressed totally differently. And she answered the door, she said, what the flipping heck are you looking like? You know, like what's going on? Did you not pre-Warner? No, but there were no mobile phones back then. You know, it was like 28 years ago. So we didn't have all this. I didn't go there to become Muslim either. I just went there to ask questions. Fucking hell. Okay. So anyway, that went down as a bit of a surprise.

1:29:21Like a pork chop at a Jews. It went down a bit of a surprise. And eventually, you know. She went, I'm out. No, no, it was her flat. So I was out. After about, I can't forget any now. It was a few, five, six weeks. I moved out. I said, look, we need to get married. You know, because there's no such thing as boyfriend, girlfriend in Islam. So we need to be married. We had a very new baby. I think my eldest son then was about two months old or something like that. Very young. And we never got married together again. She actually did become Muslim, but we never got married. So that's how that happened.

1:29:53And then as I was living at my mum and dad's house, which was only up the road, you know, my dad would go to the toilet every morning, the usual routine, and he'd see me praying. And he'd be like, he'd come up to me and go, well, you used to be getting in at this time. Now you're getting up to pray at this time. What's going on? What's this religion? Is it doing to you? You know what I mean? Is it sort of messing you up? You know what I mean? You know, a bit concerned. I said, Dad, you know the problem with this religion? It makes you obey your parents. It encourages you to obey your parents. It keeps you away from drugs.

1:30:22It keeps you away from alcohol. It keeps you away from girlfriends. It keeps you out of trouble with the police. I said, that's the problem I got with this religion. Eventually, he wanted to go to the mosque. And eventually, after him going to the mosque himself, he's a big old man. He was very ill at the time, actually. He'd become Muslim. And then when he died in 2012, we washed him, shrouded him, and buried him. And that was beautiful. My dear mum's still alive and she's not a Muslim. However. What does she think about you being Muslim? She's, look, I look after her. My brother knows you actually, my older brother.

1:30:54We both look after her. He's on your side. You've spoken to him, but I won't mention his name. But he knows you. Will you tell me on camera? I will tell you outside, yeah. He goes, no, no, tough. He's all right. Liam's a nice guy. He's a nice guy. So I said, I'm going down to speak to him in a week or two. So I forgot what he was. Yeah, so. So, but, you know, as far as my mum's concerned, look, I go down, I check on her every day. Are you pro-burqa and all of that? Burqa, no. Pro-hijab? Yeah, of course. Oh, definitely. For me, it would be. I know some women don't have that opinion, but I have the opinion that the face doesn't have to be covered, but it's preferable.

1:31:32But if they don't, then it's okay. But definitely the hijab, for me anyway. Yeah, going back to you anyway, because we could be fucking off now and that way. you work on a construction site. I do, yeah. You must have some funny stories. Yeah, I've got those. I mean, maybe not so funny for you, but maybe you look back and think, fucking hell, because I know that a Muslim convert on a traditional construction site would definitely get some stick. Yeah, and I'm not shy. I don't, look. In fact, I'd guarantee it's led to fisticuffs. It has. But look, I don't go on a building site and start telling everyone I'm Muslim.

1:32:02What's the point? I'm there to work, because I'm there to do my taping joint and whatever I was doing, okay? So I'm not going to go, by the way, everyone, there's a Muslim on site now. everything's got to be done my way I just go to work because I'm out there to earn a pound that's all it is and then you know I get into conversations with people because obviously they'll talk about what's going on in the news and what they've heard so it gives me a chance then to give them some dawah dawah is what we do when we invite people to the religion right okay so I say like Liam don't you think that it's time you investigated this religion and started to think a bit deeply about it check the sources maybe read a bit of Quran speak to people that might know a bit more that's me calling you towards the religion okay So I used to do this, but gently.

1:32:41And then they'd have answers. They'd look at, how come you're allowed four wives? And how come you're this? And how come you're that? And most of the time, they were just interested. And most of the time, they were just misinformed. Because a lot of the stuff that they thought was how it was, wasn't the way how it was. So I said, no, that's not how it really is. I mean, that's just what you've been told, like chopping off the hands. But that never really happens. In fact, if you steal for need, because you're hungry or you're poor, then you're given provisions, not punished. okay you're not punished for stealing you're punished if you steal for business and profit you're a career criminal okay so a lot of this a lot yeah that makes sense you know so what what would you do with uh you know someone had done this to your daughter well i want to kid him well that's what the state would do if they could you know trust me and we're back streaming on peacock may i present to you the award-winning staff of the toledo truth teller slap me let's draw something loose yes i like that the certified fresh series returns your boss you always like this or is this just an I don't know this is mad.

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1:34:15There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required, compatibility and availability varies 18+. Did you hit the workforce with Jizya tax? You know who pays Jizya? Okay, so this is another one that comes up, all right? Well, I do want to know about some of the fights you've had on site. Yeah, I don't like talking tough, Liam. I mean, if anything... I'm interested. Yeah, I like fighting, all right? I don't talk about fighting. I don't like fighting. I like to be peaceful. I'd like to think that I could defend myself if it comes down to it, but I don't push myself. Because you know, people come on and talk about done this and done that and stabbed this guy.

1:34:46Is that all you got to offer the world is tough guy stories, exaggerated most of the time. Okay. Is that what you bring to the world? I'm going to be accountable for what I say on judgment day right now. And every other time I'm speaking. So for me to waste time saying, yeah, I beat this guy and I know he said that and I punched him. But did things like that happen? They did. And what would have happened one time there was, they would write things on the toilet wall, you know, like disgusting comments, okay, in the site toilets. Right. And this was in London. Most of my work's in London, okay?

1:35:15And this was either West Ham or Millwall. They were the two main groups of workers that worked there. So, you know, I got tired of this. So I said, I come out into the site. It was an office refurb, so it was all one floor. It's not a lot up and not houses, not house bashing. It was an office refurb in London. I said, right, whoever wrote on the wall, let's do it right now, you know. stop writing on walls you know somebody's London lads they'll take you up on that you know what I mean so they'll take you up on it so you know one of them took me up on it actually he was Nigerian ah yeah big big big Christian fella yeah a big big Christian fella so he took me up on it there's been a couple of other times but you know no one's got seriously hurt I mean a lot of the time it's just you know deal with it done yeah I tell people this on site listen mate there's two things in my life that I don't joke about one is my religion and one is my family and it's in that order so if you want to make jokes about my religion and my family then expect there to be a problem but if you want to have a joke at me yeah you're this you're that you're short assed little thing fine I can take it I can give it and I can take it but these are the two no go zones for me don't take the piss out of my family and don't take the piss out of my religion but by all means question it but by all means refute it but by all means disagree with it do you enjoy the debate side of things no not really I didn't want to do this you guys made me do this I was happy on my channel teaching people about nutrition and bloody training and getting online clients.

1:36:40You guys. And you guys come out. You guys are a bit broad. Because I only come on here because I'm not sure about you. In what sense? I don't know whether you're genuine. In what sense? Like you just don't know. Basically, if I was ever given one set of information all the time, then obviously I'm going to follow that sense of that information. Okay. If I lived in a certain area of a country or a certain area of us in the world and I only got a certain amount of information, Of course, my worldview is going to be framed upon what I'm hearing. But what would make you think me of all people is insincere?

1:37:09I don't particularly like Islam. I couldn't be more genuine than that. Look, that's fine. Not liking Islam is fine. But a lot of what you understand Islam to be, Liam, isn't true. It's just not the case. A lot of it is just ghastly arguments that you've took on. Because, yeah, it makes sense. And then you get a snippet of Amjad Chowdhury or a snippet of someone over here. And, yeah, that's what it is. And we'll join all these dots. 99 % of the other Muslims are telling you, no, it's not like that. The scholars don't say that. These people don't. but you still insist on taking it from these people.

1:37:37Mate. Take it from the majority. You seem like a very nice guy, and I appreciate that you've come here after calling me out. You've not convinced me that Islam's a nice religion. I don't have to convince you, Liam. No, but what I'm saying is, I've not just watched a 30-second soundbite. I've had an hour and a half of you going for gold, and I still think it's a poor religion. Fine. Again, it's not me that guides. But what I have done in this podcast is I think I, because the other two Muslim brothers that you had on, I mean, Adam, the first one, wasn't he? Nice guy, but he's quite soft in his nature.

1:38:07He's not like, I'll have a go with you. You know what I mean? You were a little ball, weren't you? What's the other brother with the Traveller brother? Alfie Best. Alfie. Nice guy. Yeah. But to be fair, wasn't really up for a... They're both nice guys. They're nice guys. You're all nice guys. Yeah. But I think you're all a bit lost. That's fine. And we think that you're lost. I know. And there is... And look, ultimately, we're going to find out at some point because we're all going to die. So I'm going to die, you're going to die. Ultimately, we're going to find out who's true. Now, if I'm wrong, okay, and Islam is, there's no God, there's no nothing, then what have I lost?

1:38:40Your entire life. So what is a blip? I've enjoyed it. I've enjoyed this life. Don't worry about life as a blip. Yeah, it is a blip. I've enjoyed this life more as a Muslim than a non-Muslim. I get much more internal peace and satisfaction as a Muslim than I ever did as a non-Muslim. And I've done everything that everyone else done as a non-Muslim. I've done all the partying, I've done all the drugs and all the rest of it, in the nightlife. Oh, I've done it all. Okay. And I enjoy my life a lot more now. I just, I like to just sit home and read a little bit. I pray. I go, it's beautiful. It's calm.

1:39:12It's lovely. It's blessed. I don't want to go back to that life. I would never go back to that life. Okay. So if I'm wrong and there is no God, and I know that there is a God, okay. Then what have I lost? I've lived a good life. And if I'm right and you're wrong, you're effed. You're finished. Talking of effed, how many women are you effing at the moment at once? seeing as you're allowed to have four? Well, first rule about Fight Club. Okay. Well, I, you know why I don't talk about my wife, okay, is because... You've got more than one. No, no, not at all. Okay. The reason I don't talk about it is because that doesn't belong to social media.

1:39:47Okay. That's something that belongs in my house. Now, for even talking about women, it's something that I, my wife is something I don't do because she's a woman that covers. She's very shy. So why would I mention her in the open world? It's not her business. She's happy as she is. She doesn't need to be out in the world. Okay. And she wouldn't do it anyway. She wasn't before me. So again, we protect very protective over our women. You know, obviously, you know that. And so even to mention women is like, there's no need. Did you say we're protective over our women? You know that? Well, you know that Muslim men are protective over their women.

1:40:21I'd say possessive and suppressive, not protective. But that's... You clearly don't know our women. No, I think I know your men. Yeah, but you don't know our women. No. No. We don't get a chance to. These are the last people, the Muslim women that knows their religion are the last people you can oppress because they will use the religion to make sure that you can't oppress them. Well, I tell you what, we've got to wrap this up now because I've got an ex-Muslim just about to come on who's converted to Christianity. What do you, what's your main message on your social media? Because it's only fair that you come on here that I tell people where they can find you.

1:40:48Okay, it's Al Rijal, which means the men. Okay. It used to be about health and fitness, but you guys kept going and going. I just got pushed into talking more about the topics that I talk about now. But I did like it because I was talking about, I was getting, I've got no one, hardly any online clients now. So I've lost money. But it's relative to me that as a white English normal person, as it were, like normal, I'm not rich or anything like that. It's important that I try and give at least a relative, a relatable impression of Muslims. And I will ask you one thing before I wrap this up. and people that follow you already, because I'm sure this podcast is going to be flooded with your followers.

1:41:29And yours. Oh, yeah, be a mixture of both. And jump in, lambast, either one of us. I don't think either of us care. Be careful of your neck when you're making those videos at the beginning. Yeah, they're good, innit? Every time I think he's going to break his neck. If you've got value for this conversation, jump in the comments, say exactly what you think. If you don't like my views, I always think of you of Aura Jow, but it's not Aura Jow. Abu Dhabi just means the men. Okay. Yeah. If you. Because it was a fitness channel originally. Whoever you like, dislike, jump in the comments. We've got thick skin.

1:41:59I'm not a big fan of Islam. He is. We disagree. He seems like a nice gentleman to me. But if you don't like and subscribe to the channel, I can't have people like this man in front of me because the mainstream just won't platform a conversation with this length. And I'll put his YouTube. I'll put your YouTube. Sorry, mate. YouTube is Dawidat Muslim fella. And the rest of it is Abu Dhabi. I'm just not used to it because I've been calling you Al Rijal in my head. Yeah, yeah. So sorry. He's just a man. Yeah, you can call me that if you want. So comment section, enjoy. You get home safe. And I appreciate you coming on.

1:42:31You didn't have to. Much appreciated. And good luck.

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