THREATENED To Keep Silent: NHS Whistleblower Victoria Rixon

27:29Is that because you was giving mothers pharmaceutical drugs? no so I um I opened when I left midwifery I wrote to the CEO Anne James she's left now I wrote her an email and I basically said thanks for meeting with me a few years ago about all my concerns in maternity not just for women but for midwives because I'm a big advocate for midwives as well it might not come across that way but these midwives work damn hard and are paid very minimal money and have to pay for parking and don't get breaks so we have it quite hard before we've even done our job. So when I left, I started something called the With Women Movement, which was a safety campaign for midwives and women to come together to help shape a better system.

28:14And that blew up within a few weeks. So I had about 1 ,300 people on a Facebook page. And it was very uncommon for women and midwives to be part of the same group because professionally were not allowed to do that. But I thought, well, I've left now and I can kind of do what I want. On the back of that email I wrote to the CEO, I said to her, whatever I do next is for my beloved career and for those left behind. Not knowing what was going to happen with that. So about two weeks later, in the middle of March, I got a call from a director who basically said to me that people who speak up go missing overnight.

28:58and at the time, you know what they've said, but you're like, I'm not going to let you see my fear. Of course I was scared. You know, to think that comes out of someone's mouth in the NHS is just unbelievable. I'm not in a mafia. No, but just so I'm crystal clear, what is it that you were exposing or what did they fear that you were going to expose? At that point, nothing was coming out. Yeah, because you've been coined a whistleblower. At that point, all I was doing was shaping maternity safety. That was it. It was so little. And at that stage, they said something bad could happen to you if your exposure escalates.

29:32Yes. So what I'm then thinking back now and reflecting is they wanted me silenced very early because of the potential exposure I could give. But just remember, women, normally, especially midwives, we're subservient. We want to serve you. We want to give you the best. We don't want fame and money. We just want to pay our pension, buy a house, take our kids on holiday and be happy. That's the truth of it. So for me, coming out and building a safety campaign of putting women and mothers in the same group, what they were monitoring is, from what I've been told, that some of the mothers that had litigation against the hospital were in the groups with the midwives they had against them.

30:12And they don't want the midwives and women to talk because it's exposure. They want us segregated. So in our code of conduct, don't speak to that family. under litigation you mustn't talk about this so I've put a little like pebble I'm creating a ripple at that point now I've created a wave so a month later after that maybe about three weeks I go on x I've only got 35 followers on x right on Facebook I maybe had about a thousand so it wasn't very big my voice was big my energy is big and they knew that and I went on and there was a statement saying that the founder of the With Woman movement had basically killed a baby at Derriford Hospital where I worked and I failed to follow guidelines and you can hear my voice rocking because this topic is desperately difficult and I read it and I can remember I was shaking because I thought oh my god they're not talking about me they're talking about someone else why would they be talking about me and I just went into absolute meltdown I was a mess Do you remember how it was worded?

31:19We are not supporting the With Woman movement as the lead of the co-founder of the With Woman movement has been, was responsible for the death of, I'm not going to say their name, baby at Derriford Hospital in October of 21. and he died 16 hours after. That my role, I haven't been honest in. And I further compounded harm by not attending the inquest. And I have lied about my role in that. And that they support anybody that supports their goal and aim in maternity inquiry, but not when it's led by a midwife like me. At ZocDoc, we know you care about your health. You wouldn't do that early morning cardio if you didn't.

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33:22And what did I say? Something like, could you please contact me? Now, what was strange was not long after my face and my Instagram profile was posted underneath it. So I was identified. So even if they didn't use my name, I was identified. Okay. Is there a chance that you could have ever been complicit in killing a baby unknowingly? This is an interesting conversation because if you are doing a job where you... Okay, so let's put this into context. A police officer is told to pepper spray anybody that comes near them within 50 yards, right? And you blind 55 million people by doing that. But you're told to do that in your job.

34:03that officer is indoctrinated into their system that's how i need to keep safe right so in midwifery when you induce someone you're inducing them based on a doctor's evidence-based practice so a doctor and a high up royal college of gynecology who lead doctors in obstetrics which is maternity they have done the evidence that we should do this yeah so and it then is attached to guidelines. So you've got the induction of labour guideline, you've got the preterm birth guideline. So what they are is they're just pieces of documents that aren't necessarily lawful. But if you agree to be a midwife in their system, under their rules, then you do what they tell you to do.

34:49So are you complicit in harm? Absolutely. But do you know you're doing that? No. But what happens is you do your bit, your shift ends, that goes to the next person, you do your bit, your shift ends, that goes to the next person. At the end, if there is a poor outcome, they look at everything back and what everybody did. So really, I should be able to say, if I was a midwife now in the system, I'd be saying that guideline doesn't fit that woman, but they don't want me to do that. Because if that woman then goes for litigation against me, then she's going to win because I didn't go by the guideline.

35:26So you have to stay within the guidelines. And it's wrong because not every woman fits in these boxes. That's why we're causing harm. I want to know how you punch back after an accusation like that or an actual statement where your account's connected to. So it's irrefutable that they're talking about you. But you mentioned the vaccine. Was the vaccine throughout the pandemic pushed on pregnant mothers? Yes. Okay. And the BBC pushed it heavy. Are we aware of any consequences of that? Any birth defects? Now, since I've been more vocal, I get people messaging me saying there's more. So from sonographers, there was an increase in miscarriages.

36:08There was an increase in baby brain injury. So lots more babies and mums had to have MRI scans, which they say, obviously, in pregnancy, you don't really want to be doing that. There was an increase in abruption. There was an increase in fertility. So our birth rate has dropped and so has our fertility rate, which means our stillbirth rate must have gone up. But the way they've worded it is, oh, it stayed the same. Well, it can't have because if one goes up, one must go down. So if the birth rate's gone down and your still birth rate stayed the same, well, it must have gone up. So there was lots of speculation about this.

36:43But now, reflectively, we can see that there was more harm because these women were then approaching triage and the inpatient setting went up in acuity and bed space. And so there was a lot more raised blood pressure. There was heart condition, diabetes, inductions. It was absolutely horrible. Is there any part of you that thinks there's a conspiracy that mothers and babies are being killed for their organs to be farmed away, harvested? I never, ever would have gone there as a midwife. I never thought that could ever have been a thing. I didn't know it was a thing until, again, this journey, speaking to people who have been nurses, who have been funeral directors, who have been in the industry, tell me that placentas are used in things like face creams, products.

37:35I've heard that people have actually seen organs been harvesting. And that's come from a father as well whose daughter was on NICU. And he talks about this a lot. So there's lots of speculation, but I've never seen it myself. For instance, if you had died and your body parts were sent for investigation, then of course, I understand why people's organs are removed. But there was a death recently of a 21 year old and her parents didn't know that her organs were removed. And she lost her baby. She died moments after birth. Yeah, for me, I think I find it hard to believe because it's so heavy duty.

38:12And I think I don't want to believe that goes on. I don't want to believe it. I don't want to believe it. But I wouldn't be surprised if it did, because the more I get to know about the world, the the more I realise we're living in a crazy place. We're very dark and, you know, the higher up the food chain you get of power, the more dark it seems to be. Why? I don't know. But I just do know that there's a battle of good versus evil out there. I'm very spiritual, but I'm not religious. But it does make me wonder, these people that are beating the, you know, the organ harvesting drum, is there anything to it?

38:46Do I need to start paying closer attention? Am I distracted from this sinister crime that's taking place? Well, RFK Jr. just talked recently about organ harvesting. Did you see that? No. He talked about that in between the vaccine exposure that he's been talking about. So he was actually saying that organ harvesting needs to be addressed and looked at. I mean, there was an article that came out from The Upsetter and they did an investigation into mothers or women that were having mum bod surgery, breasts, tummy tuck. I think it was 13 or 14 women came back with no organs in their bodies in the last 18 months from places abroad.

39:30I mean, I have to consider the fact that a couple of decades ago, if people had told me about human trafficking, systematic rape of British children by gangs of foreign men, that there's going to be a pandemic and people are going to be locked in their houses and bashing pots and pans. And I just would have thought, come on, what the hell? I just would have thought absolute madness. But the more I see, the more I think, well, there's nothing really off limits now because there's little old me, little old you. What the fuck do we know? We're still trying to work our own lives out, let alone what's going on the higher up you get.

40:06And there's some very intelligent people that are pulling the strings up there that are good at hiding stuff, manipulating people, scaring the daylights out of people, which I'm getting the impression that's what the establishment tried doing with you, silencing you from speaking out any further than you already were. So off the back of that statement of you being accused of killing babies or a baby, how did you fight back? What did you do in response to that? I went straight to the hospital who told me to ignore it. I was still employed. And they didn't put out a statement to say this isn't true.

40:40So because of that, I kind of thought, well, they've got it wrong. I'll leave it be and listen to what my managers are telling me. And I took some legal advice and everybody said defamation is expensive. And, you know, so I just let it go. However, I then got asked if I would consider running a panel and looking for some funding to do our own inquiry into maternity independent out of the government. because I was willing to lead and go up and down the country and take as much evidence as I could collate. And I got a panel together. And during that time, things started to really evolve. And one of the solicitors who I spoke to regarding this inquiry said, there's no way anyone would take you seriously being told that you've killed a baby.

41:28You have to clear your name. And I just went into absolute meltdown. I was like, every time I tried to do something for the good of the people At the end of the day, Liam, I just want to save mums and babies. That's it. And no one is seeing the bigger picture here. Okay. So I went away and shut the movement down and I went into absolute meltdown. I lost so much weight. I wasn't running. I stopped going to the gym. I was feeling really depressed. I was like anxious that the police were going to knock the door and arrest me. I literally was like, this is what happened to Lucy Letby. Oh, my God. My governing body weren't interested.

42:02and I was thinking, so I got some information back from the governing body about this babe. There was nothing. And what is the bigger picture? Well, maternity has over£60 billion in litigation since 2016. That's a lot of money. So if we've got litigation that high in one area of the healthcare system, no one's paying attention to it. Why? And this is no disrespect to any other campaign, and that's not why I'm saying this. We're all looking at digital ID. we're all looking at immigration we're all looking at whatever his bloody name is can't stand him we're all looking at all of this other stuff and all of these amazing strong men of this country right and I don't take this away from anybody and what you're trying to do but you're all on stage for digital ID when if you turned around and looked your mother and babies are being slaughtered in these hospitals 13 up to 13 babies a day are dying unnecessarily let's unpack that Right?

43:00So I feel passionate that whilst you're all on a stage fighting for that, you need to add this in. Because these women have nowhere else to go and are doing everything to have a live baby. So they're going to the one and only place to have a child and they're coming out with one in three trauma. One in three women. That is also one in three men. And how are they being slaughtered and what's the motive? Money. It's a moneymaker. The NHS is a prophet, isn't it? It's a prophet pipeline. It's a conveyor belt. They don't care about Anne down the road or Elizabeth over here or that woman over there.

43:37They pump you with drugs. They put you in a bed. They deliver your baby. They break you down spiritually that you can't connect to you or your baby. You can't feed your baby. You can't connect to your family. You and your husband are then divided because you're so down. He doesn't know how to fix you. Before you know it, your family's broken up. They've now got extended family. They've then broken up. It's a divide. And does Big Pharma come into play with this? If you're now depressed, you're having to take anti-D's. I have antidepressant, which impacts your milk, which impacts you've got to go back to work at eight months.

44:05You've then got a childcare bill. And all the trauma started at birth, if not in your younger years, and it's secondary trauma. So my argument is we need to be using that energy that you use on the stage for digital ID, immigration, Rotherham scandals, and you need to be looking at that your own flesh and blood, women and babies, are dying. So how would you reform that part of the NHS midwifery? The whole, it needs a whole overview. There's no easy fix because it's been systemically broken. And women have forgotten how to birth because you're being told how to do it because you're lying on a bed with your legs in stirrups.

44:44So what we need to do is firstly get women back into their communities and getting their body ready for having a baby healthy. And that starts very young in a family, in an environment. You know, my mum used to walk around naked. So she should. She's a woman. She's birthed children. But my younger boys, if they are looking at, they're seeing girls with fake boobs and big lips and awful eyebrows. That's not a woman. So I say to my kids, this is a woman. This belly has birthed babies. This is what a woman looks like. So when you look at the marble models, all the women have a curve and a little baby pouch because she's had a baby.

45:19But it's almost like it's a shame if your body's birthed. So we've stripped a hell of a lot back, Liam, across the board. So first of all, we've got to get rid of management, middle management, who are there. So you've got your people on the floor and then you've got the people here stopping any of this getting out because it's reputationable damage. It's about don't expose us. So that's why all the midwives are silent. But what that's created is the bereaved families loathe midwives because they don't tell the truth. Because they're frightened to lose their jobs. So they're the most gagged profession.

45:52Right. And if you're giving birth at home, you can't have a cesarean. Of course. And isn't a cesarean a way of preserving the life of the mother and giving birth to the child in a more safe environment so that the child is a healthier baby? So does that not, does cesarean reduce complications? And is there been an increase in cesarean? Yeah. And why? Money. I believe it's money. They say it's a guideline of evidence. I've lost faith in some of the evidence because if you look at the COVID evidence who wrote it who funded it where did it come from and some of those TV doctors were paid to promote that on the telly now I used to have to declare a packet of biscuits not quarter of a million quid or 22 ,000 pounds to promote AstraZeneca so for me it's if you want a section have a section but but ask yourself why you want a section why you're having a section and why you've gone down that road and is it really in your heart space are you connected to yourself spiritually to know that that's really where you're going or is it from a place of fear are you having a home birth because you're scared to go to the hospital because that's not good either because you're not going to get the birth connection because you're only running away a bit like what we were talking about with exercise it's the same thing so now we're in a place where no No one knows where to go to birth because it's a mess.

47:18What about support for midwives? I mean, if you're looking at stillbirths and mothers dying and complications and life-changing injuries, I'd imagine, and also, you know, mums losing their minds, ending up depressed, it's quite a depressing environment. I mean, the beauty of seeing a baby being born in front of you, yeah, that's the reward. But what about the negative side of things? When you see something, you're never going to unsee it and it's going to affect you. the chances are you're going to get PTSD from some of the things that you've seen. Is there a good supporting act within the NHS for midwives?

47:51You could see a horrible birth and a death and go home and just eat your spag bol. That's what's expected of you. What about the shifts? Are you overworked? Yeah. Twelve and a half hour shifts, no breaks. Had to fight to get a break. And you were never, ever paid for missing your break, which is, again, is unlawful because I've worked it, you pay me for it. it's a very common theme in midwifery and nursing what about evil disguised as altruism so you see these old people homes these care homes and obviously a nurse is a care of the community like you say you just want to help and support so you we see it all the time captured on CCTV footage these women that have obviously got into that position of power and care because they've they've put themselves forward as a loving, caring, nurturing human being They're normally women with parental instincts.

48:44And then they're caught on CCTV with a pillow over someone's head or hitting elderly people. Did you ever come across people that are pretending to be kind, but really they're cruel? The only thing I saw was a doctor pinned a woman's labia, her labias, with sutures to the side of her legs because he couldn't suture the vagina. He pinned them? Yeah. This doctor had pinned her labias to the side because they were very long and hanging over. And he was trying to suture in the vagina. Now, when you've had a baby, you have a constant natural flow of blood. And it's hard to see the muscle that you're trying to then suture.

49:22And he pinned it. And I wasn't the only one that saw that. So that's probably the only malpractice. But actually, when you start looking at it now I've left and I look back and I go, well, COVID vaccines were malpractice. And all the vaginal examinations we do, you're putting your fingers inside a woman's vagina when she's walked off the street and she's clearly in established labour and she's a second time mum, she's ruptured her membranes, her waters have gone, why do I need to stick my fingers in her? Give her a couple of hours and see what she does. But we don't, we go straight in because it's a control mechanism.

49:54so there's a lot of malpractice that is disguised as evidence right that's what i'm saying so the women who have adverse outcome litigation harm death they know that they were mistreated but because the guideline says oh no sorry mrs smith but we did everything in the guideline you can't sue us but actually what you've left her with is a legacy of harm and suffering because she thought well, you did all this to me. Because guidelines are not lawful all the time and guidelines don't suit everybody. But we do the same thing to each person over and over. We know what that is. Insanity. Yeah. Who are the NHSE, the RCM and the MNC?

50:38So NHS England is NHSE and they are the ones. So Kate Brintworth is the chief midwife of NHS England. Now, I didn't know who she was, But guess who jumped into my private inbox during all this? Kate Brimworth. Hope you don't mind me emailing. So I told her that they told me I'd go missing. She did absolutely nothing. She didn't stand by to support me. She didn't help me. So that's NHS England. She's the lead midwife for all the midwives in England. Then you've got the RCM, which is the Royal College of Midwifery, which is the union and education board. Terrible. They're one of the richest unions in the world, and they are terrible.

51:19And I can say that because they gave me a terrible service. And when I went to court, the judge even said that you didn't have the right advice. Because they're not really union reps and legally trained. They're just midwives that get put into these roles. And then the NMC is the governing body, which is the Nursing and Midwifery Council, which is who Lucy Letby was under. So we sign up yearly as a registrant like the GMC for doctors. That's our governing body. What do you think about Lucy Letby? Is she guilty or is she innocent? I didn't ever believe that the police and the NHS and doctors were corrupt.

51:56I wouldn't have said they got it wrong. I thought she had killed. Ask me now and I think it's all very fishy. Really? Well, yeah, because I wasn't on shift when this baby was born and I'm being told I killed it. How can you kill a baby you weren't on shift? It's different if you gave a drug and it caused an adverse reaction and that patient then died. You caused that patient's death as a result of a drug injury. But how can I have killed a baby if I wasn't there when the baby was born and they weren't in labour when I cared for them? So just remind me, you've been accused of killing the baby. What's your defence?

52:33I didn't. I wasn't there. Are you going to sue these people for that? Yes, I am. Are you in the process of doing that now? And have you been advised of what the success rate will be? I have a lawyer and a barrister who have come forward to help me. And they've been amazing. That's a hell of an accusation. And I think if that was me, I wouldn't be able to relax in my everyday life at all until my name was completely cleared. Yes, I even have anxiety now, you asking me, my stomach's gone. That this topic has rippled through... That's not my intention, by the way. I know that. the topic itself is very, very hard because if I know that the judiciary system isn't as fair, we know that.

53:19I really hope that that judge sees it in my favour. But how do I know that? Because we know that some of these judiciary systems aren't fair and it doesn't always work out how you want it to. So that worries me. But at the same time, I wouldn't have had a barrister and a lawyer take me on. They looked at four documents and they said, we'll do it. That's all they looked They were absolutely amazing. And do you ever have times where you doubt yourself and think, did I do something wrong? It's almost like I go, was I working that night? So I had to go and get the actual off-duty for that night shift, for that day shift, so I could see tangible evidence of I wasn't working.

53:59Because actually what it did was it made me go away and I went, did I kill that baby? Did it make you question your state of mind? And how was your state of mind after that statement? Bad. Yeah, I was so, I was distraught. It makes my nose go now because I can feel myself well enough. But I watched Lucy Letby's interview and there was a lady on there and forgive me for her name. And she says the worst thing you could ever be called is a baby killer. Yeah. Because the normal person on the street, if you were to go up to and say, the lady at number six killed a baby, did you know that? Well, the normal person's going to judge them because nobody harms a child.

54:36Yeah. The most vulnerable of our society, as you well know, you do not harm children and you do not harm their mother, especially in childbirth. I was distraught. Yeah, it's a very alien thing to even consider somebody's capable of doing. as a mother having three children of her own, then going on to be incapacitated and killing a baby. It seems pretty unbelievable to me. And the fact that you've not been arrested or there's not a police investigation, or do you ever get paranoid and think, maybe they are investigating me, maybe they are going to put more things in place, maybe I'm going to get nicked and sent to jail?

55:10The police turned up to my door on the 7th of February this year. 7th or 8th of February. And what happened there? I'm assuming you've heard of Dr David Carland. No. No. He's a whistleblowing doctor on the COVID vaccines. Right. And they have obliterated his whole life. Okay. And he's just been struck off, even with all the evidence. It's terrible. So David took me into his group and really just scooped me up and was like, you need to fight back. And I was like, I haven't got the energy. He's like, tough. You cannot let this go. But the person that called me a baby killer or that I killed a baby, it wasn't her that said the baby killer word.

55:44It was someone else. And that stuck with me so much. it wasn't her that said you're a baby killer there was comments and she retweets and I saw she's a baby killer she's a grifter look at her um look at her trying to get fame from dead babies it was horrific and I've got all the screenshots and everything but when I came back in January of this year I didn't come back as the With Woman movement because I was trying to leave that in over there I just came back as a midwife yeah and it started again so a big account in America took a foot took my face and that statement and called me a baby killer and she didn't just do it once she tweeted six times about me she's the one that recently apologized publicly because I've said to her I will take you to court however if you realize and I would like to have a conversation with you about it.

56:37Maybe we can discuss this and you'll understand my point. But you never asked me. You just tweet about me and you don't know anything. So it was because of that, it inflamed everything and it re-traumatised me. So that's when I took legal advice and I thought I've got to deal with it because it'll never go away. So this is now what's going on as we speak. Yes. So in that time, I've managed to gain lots of documents. So when it got retweeted, I sent five cease and desist notices to five parties and the police were at my door saying that I've harassed them. Aside from the statement that was made about you when we're going back to the slaughtering of mothers and babies, do people need to go to jail and which people need to go to jail for this?

57:17Do people need to be hung out to dry? Absolutely. Yeah, who in particular needs to be heavily reprimanded with jail sentences? I don't actually know fully. but if we investigate Anne Dixon's case and Graham Dixon with their daughter Elizabeth Dixon there might be arrests. And just remind me about that case again. Elizabeth Dixon was born via Zazarian section in 2000 and she didn't need to be born and they covered up her birth and then her subsequent death and she was given a fatal overdose of morphine as an 11-month-old baby from a drug that isn't licensed. So you think if that case is reopened...

58:02And investigated. That will open a whole new can of worms. Oh, yeah, and Dixon's got it all. But the problem she's got is they have parliament to Bill Kirkup, who is the investigator for Elizabeth's case, wrote the report on her death. And then the BBC did an article that said, cover up of Elizabeth's 25-year case. There was no truth in it. So they gave this story out that she had justice and a cover-up exposed, but nothing was exposed fully. So Anne Dixon has recordings and documentation of her daughter's birth, care and subsequent death. She was arrested, Anne Dixon. Her story breaks my heart.

58:45She was arrested because she uncovered full cover-up of her daughter's death in maternity services for 25 years, and she can name up to 100 people. I'll give context to why I'm asking this. Firstly, are hospitals breeding grounds for affairs? And I ask that because if you've got an institution where everyone's got dirt on everyone, it's a lot easier to keep secrets and sinister things suppressed because there's always the fear of if you repeat that, I'll do this. I'll expose you for that. if you open your mouth there, I'm going to tell your husband you're sleeping with the surgeon or the doctor.

59:27So is there things that go on within the hospitals that could be held against you? I never saw any of that. And you've got to remember midwifery is predominantly a female environment. So you're not, most people are married or, you know, not going to have an affair with your female best mate, are you? Okay, I'm thinking more doctors, nurses. So nurses, doctors, I don't know. But what I will say on that is, which is interesting, my manager acted as if she was my friend. She would email me, ask if I'm well, congratulate me on this, because I was very proactive in looking at a problem and going, that will solve this, and then presenting it.

1:00:01I'm not a problem announcer without a problem solve. That's my nature. So I would say, right, that induction of labour is not working. I'm going to make a leaflet. And then it wouldn't get ratified. And you'd be like, why would you not give that to the woman? Because it would make her life easier. Because it's not about making the life easier. It's about making the life harder. So my manager acted the whole way through my grievances as my friend. When I SAR'd, which is a subject access request to the hospital, when I got her SAR back, within three hours of me uploading my grievance to her on safety, she was talking about me defamatory to HR.

1:00:38Right. So she impacted potentially my grievance of my character long before it was even heard. But not only that, she also referred me to the governing body for speaking out online. So she referred me and called the police on me for sharing everything online. So when you look at people befriending you and acting like, Now, my email to her when I left was, I respect you. You are an amazing manager. And I'm really going to miss you all. And I've given that to the NMC because it shows that I'm not, I haven't got a vendetta. I left actually on good terms. I got a big bunch of flowers when I left. My manager was like, please come back.

1:01:25And then they did that. So what I realized was the sinister back. like I'm if I think you're an absolute dick I'll tell you you're a dick I don't like you and you're a dick we'll have it out maybe have a scrap done right if you if I don't align with you I'll just go we don't align I've got to move on and it's that simple I don't use this whole down the road down the road we all gossip of course we do we've all done it we all do it but I find it much easier to go you're being an absolute dickhead there's no need for it but it was that whole backstabbing Well, you know what? You're not the first.

1:02:00You won't be the last to get the ball pulled over your eyes and down the line it will probably happen again because we know we can't trust many people, but we want to trust people. And I think if you're a trustworthy, loyal person, you just kind of assume that everybody else is. But that's another thing I've learned as I've got a little bit older. It's like, shit, not everyone's got pure intentions. In fact, most, unless it benefits them, they don't really do a great deal. And also people have become very, very good at covering their narcissism. I think a lot of people are using, I found God and now I'm great.

1:02:35Yeah. And I'm just like... Like my past never happened. Like I have found a faith. I'm much like you. I'm very spiritual. I don't align with a religion, but I'm very connected spiritually. I know that if I can do good in my heart, and I always say to my kids, if it's in your heart, that's it. Trust that instinct. But for me, when you actually look at midwifery and its toxicity, the culture is particularly bad in relation to the rest of the professions in the NHS. Midwifery is the worst. What would you say to a panel of midwives? If you had five minutes to speak to a group of midwives, what impactful statement would you give them?

1:03:12I'm also going to ask you to give a final statement to the universe at the end. So there's kind of two statements I'm looking for from you. One to midwives and then to everybody else listening, And maybe people that think that there is some truth in that statement, because unfortunately, people are programmed to believe what they read. And also, if you was guilty of that, you wouldn't ever admit it. You would fight it to the end because you don't want to go to jail for the rest of your life. So, yeah, take it wherever you want to go. Bit of a free, you know, just get whatever you need off your chest, some cautionary towels, some advice.

1:03:47And also, you know, if you feel this is a good opportunity to stand up for yourself and put some records straight. I know you're doing it legally, but roll with it. Midwives on the floor, wear a camera. If you go into a meeting and you're on your own, and that came from Lara Bassini, who's midwife Miller, she preaches this a lot, and I didn't agree with it to start with, and now I do. So this is her take, wear a camera. I'm not saying wear a camera in the delivery room and around patients because that's GDPR and that's against the law. But if we've got a camera all over the country, in every shop, in every police station.

1:04:20Why is there none on the maternity wards and in these hospitals? Right. That is my big bugbear. So if I was a midwife now, I would have had every single day. The judge told me in my hearing that because I had been emailing myself from my email to my email, my date stamp and time was real life evidence. So every day when you finish your shift, sit down at night and type up your day, type up how many staff were on, how many patients there were, what you saw what was being involved and email it to yourself not on your work one on your private and start pinging that to yourself because you never know when it's going to come and the other side of it is if you go into any meetings get rid of your union rep because you don't have a voice when you've got a union rep you think that they know better you know better so if you go and do your own research you'll fight your case far better than they will because they are not on your side they're on their side so those things to the midwives but in a practice sense for women If I had the time now again, I certainly would have argued that that policy and that guideline did not match that woman.

1:05:22And I wish I'd done that more because that inadvertent harm I have definitely caused and not known it. So look outside and expand. It's a guideline. You can go out of the guideline, but we don't. We stick in it and they've changed it to policy. Policy does not override law. If you're looking at the tort of barratory, you're causing harm. if someone comes at you with god's natural law and comes for you in a courtroom they can get you around that way but people think it's a criminal act of their legal system well there's another way so midwives just have to be a little bit more open and also take a minute and just trust what i'm saying is not about you i'm not saying this to upset you or the profession i'm talking from the heart of what's happened because people don't talk about maternity it doesn't get talked about enough and people don't actually understand what is really going on when i say to you that up to 13 babies a day die that's come from jeremy hunt in an article recently can't stand the man and and he is the patient safety lead for this country he sits at the top overseeing all the harm and he he is trying to eradicate birth natural birth ideology so the midwives that are on the floor now working hard you fight for natural birth because there are some women that want natural birth and there are some women that want cesarean section or a general anaesthetic and all is okay and all is allowed but just look at the whole practice as a whole so that's where I would go on that to the management I would be saying that you've sold your soul if you at one point in your life walked in that door and couldn't wait to see a woman in labor where you could hold her space, respect her choice, love her opinion, love what they were about as a family, knew them inside out.

1:07:15And you've forgotten what that is really like by sitting on a desk on 100 grand a year, tapping your bloody laptop with figures every single day, trying to get the trust reputation to stay up here. You sold yourself. So I suggest you think about how you don't sell yourself and get back on full with the midwives. That's my view. At ZocDoc, we know you care about your health. You wouldn't do that early morning cardio if you didn't. So the fact that your annual physical is overdue just shows how hard it can be to get seen by a doctor. Sorry, that doctor's not in network. Press 1 for more options.

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1:08:24This is sick! Avatar Fire and Ash, now streaming on Disney+. Rated PG-13. Not a fair comment. and to and this is anything else you want to say before I ask you the final question off your own back because my final question is going to be what's your statement to counteract the statement that was made against you but if you've got anything in between that you want to say off your own back like your final message to the masses what would that be? There is a space for everybody in birthing okay whether that's you delivering your child your mother a midwife a doula a birth keeper because this practice happens all over the world Now, home births statistically have better outcomes than hospital births.

1:09:07We had a home birth recently in England where a mother died. The BBC and everybody put out an article, or it might have been The Telegraph or The Guardian, home births, this lady died at home. But they don't do that about hospitals, when people are dying in hospitals every day, in childbirth. So that's my argument. You're being fear-mongered by the small number, and let's not eradicate the fact that that woman has died and that family is left with no mum. horrendous so and I don't know the ins and outs of it so but what we mustn't do is obliterate doulas and birth keepers because they are holding up this system right now and as a midwife I judged them I used to go they don't know anything god I feel so ashamed of myself because they have held up a hell of a lot more than midwives have they give more care and time to women and doulas aren't midwives they're practiced around pretty much hands-off care but the women are paying for that service now because they can't get it in the midwifery system.

1:10:02So what we need to do is we need to not divide any further. Red pill, blue pill, right wing, left wing. It's a division all the time. We need to start saying, well, collectively, we're in a mess. We've got death, harm, litigation. Yes, there are some beautiful births in between all that woven. But if you've got that much litigation, you've got that much birth trauma, there's a lot going on here that needs unpacking. So how do we fix it? Well, one, we have to come together and find a common ground. and what we need to be doing is high-fiving each other and saying you're over there doing that in that system, we're over here doing that, but what's going to happen is they're going to obliterate the home birth with doulas and saying it's dangerous because one person dies or two people die.

1:10:42So everyone runs back to the hospital. So we need to keep that in our minds that that division will come because that's their next strategic move to start dividing the system. Because midwives aren't always right and neither are doulas because the woman is, it's her right. And now they're trying to eradicate normal birth. And a statement was made on the March for Midwives the other day and it was absolutely perfect. And it was just saying, you haven't brought into consideration everything before making that statement. So if we eradicate normal birth, we are in serious, serious trouble as a society.

1:11:17It's a big, big concern of mine. And your final statement against the statement that was made about you accusing you of being a baby killer, what would you say as a sign-off? I did not kill any baby. I was not on shift when this baby was born. I am very sad for this family and for the little baby that's lost their life. I'm trying to find forgiveness, which I'm finding hard at times because of the impact it's had and it's still lingering. And I think it's really important to realise that bereaved mothers can be angry at a system and angry at midwives for not coming forward. But if midwives looked at me, they're going to go, I ain't doing what she's done.

1:12:01Why would I put myself out there to be like her when she's had to put up with sook? Because you read the comments, 90 % of it's positive, but some of the horrible stuff, I mean, I hope you get cancer and die, you rancid bitch. You know, there's not a lot of people that can cope with that. And so for me, it's about there has to be a wider understanding of what really is going on in maternity. and I'll tell you now, a midwife will eventually be imprisoned. It will come and that will cause a massive fear amongst midwifery practice. And I'm not saying that because of fear. I'm saying it because they have to do something and they're not going to put their own in prison, are they?

1:12:41But if we've got baby deaths and cover-ups, somebody somewhere, and it won't be the corporate manslaughter, it will be personal and that will come. So we have to start being more vigilant as practitioners and families need to start wearing their own cameras. Yeah, the body cam suggestion is very good in this day and age. Yeah, if we live in a surveillance state, maybe we should start surveilling the people surveilling us. I completely agree. So women wouldn't think to do that in that private moment, but that's the place that we've got to. And women need to do their research on dummies and prams and car seats, but they won't go and look at vaccines because they trust you and that's where we are.

1:13:23So it's been a very difficult journey. I'm starting to feel a little bit more detached in a healthy way. I'm able to put my running shoes back on this week. Yes, I did do. Do that. I've done that this week on Monday. Running to something, not away from something. And actually I'm feeling like I'm starting to rebuild my life. So, you know, it's a sad state of affairs. but what I'm hoping is that we can build some movement of the strong men in our country our men you who have this not just this platform but you've got connections to all these people that stand up so proudly you know Montgomery Toms what a guy absolutely love him I think he's fantastic there are some brilliant people and yes I love what you're doing with all that but can you please add in this maternity?

1:14:15Please. You know, when you start talking about rapes and slaughters and stabbings, just because it's behind an NHS door doesn't mean the blood doesn't run down the walls. I think a lot of people need to see something before they believe it. So this may well be the interview that lights the spark. I will put your social media accounts in the link. people watching I recommend you go to Victoria's X page and read her pinned tweet if you want a better and deeper understanding and then I'd imagine your document your journey via X because you've got the freedom of speech to do so and remember to like and subscribe to this channel so we can keep having these conversations because you know damn well that the mainstream would never ever have you on, allowing you to speak this freely, because if there is a conspiracy and if the NHS and midwifery section is as sinister as you say, the last thing they're ever going to do is interview you.

1:15:18But I hope that you keep your mental health intact, you keep fighting the good fight, you clear your name properly, and you and your family have a nice life. Thank you. Thank you for coming on. Thank you so much, Liam. You're more than welcome.

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