Tommy Robinson x Andrew Gold: Heretics Special

24:03His own words. He knew what was going on for years, but it was too much of a tinderbox for the far right. Yeah. So he, say that out loud. Andrew Norfolk let kids get raped. Well, hang on. Well, that's what... Yeah, I know, but... He didn't report on it. That's Tommy's opinion. No, no, his opinion. It's his own opinion. I'll show you the recording of him saying it. What he says is, he goes, look, I'd known for years that these gangs were active and I knew they were targeting young white girls. He goes, but I was too scared to talk about it. Yeah? You coward. You coward, yeah? You just got to be careful, Tommy, because I don't want you going back to prison.

24:34No, that's it. Well, the truth's the truth. If it lands you in jail, it lands you in jail. But he, Andrew Norfolk, do you know when he says he dealt with it? When he saw the emergence of the English Defence League. He goes, and I decided, like he's some morally high guy, I decided I needed to take it back from these far-right hooligans. I said, the problem is they weren't far-right hooligans, they're English men. And they're English men who have seen their daughters. Many of those people you're calling far-right hooligans were family members of those kids who have been betrayed. That's what people don't realise.

25:04I agree with you with that. We'll get back to this, but you've just come out of prison again. So I want to know a bit about that because I've just had Sam Samworth on. Do you know the ex-prison guard? And he was very interested as well. I don't know what he said about you, actually, but he was interested in how they treated you and things like that. Last time I saw you, we were out in Alicante. I was losing my mind. You were losing your mind. No, you were having a great time when I was there. And then you said that previously, being in solitary, you needed that. But this time you come out looking like you're in Castaway or something.

25:34You know, it looked like it fucked you. Yeah, I say I needed it. So say, for example, this time I got into solitary. I got sentenced. I got 18 months. I consciously made a decision to play a film. I knew what I was doing. I knew exactly what I was doing. Yeah. It took me two years to build to that point. Obviously, anyone who's followed the story, I have to be very, this is free speech. Yeah. I can't actually speak openly about this because I will end up straight back in prison. Oh, yeah. We don't want that. I, for the rest of my life, have conditions that prevent me telling the truth. Let's put it like that, yeah?

26:09Unfortunately for the establishment, 167 million people watched that film. So the truth's out there. People now know, and do you know what that acted as? It acted as a gateway for many people. So people have a view of me. If they sit and watch my documentaries, you can watch all of my films and documentaries at trfilms.co.uk. I had emails of people saying, I never liked you. I've got 20 ,000 birthday cards. on my birthday when I was in prison. I had emails coming in and I realized straight away that as far as my cause goes, you have to remember, I've done this for 15 years, yeah? I've been in jail multiple times.

26:43I faced the raids, the attacks, the terrorism threats. There's men got 30 years for planning to blow us up and kill us. I've faced all of that and I've gone through all of that and we're at a different place now where back those, during those years, the public didn't want to listen and they weren't willing to listen and they weren't ready to listen. And right now where we're at, the country's ready. The country is brewing. The public, there is a revolution coming in Britain and not just Britain, the whole of Europe. But how was it for you? How was it for me? In solitary, yeah. I was scared going.

27:16I was scared when I put the film out. I then played the film when you come and met me in Spain. But once I actually got back to the UK and got into prison, I was in Woodhill. I was put in solitary confinement. There's 16 cells here, 16 cells here. This is the segregation unit of the prison. The segregation unit of a prison is called the block in prisoner's terms. The block is where you go. If you stab someone in jail, say, for example, when I was in jail, there was a stabbing in the neck of a prison officer. I don't know if you saw that on the news. Yeah, I think so, yeah. Well, the man who stabbed him, the punishment for that is you get put down in the segregation unit.

27:51So when they brought me in, they cleared 16 cells. So on one side is 16 cells and the other side is 16 cells. So they cleared it all. So then I got put in the cell just on my own. Oh, so it's just an ordinary cell. I thought you got given a bigger kind of thing. No, prison cells have got facilities, little wardrobe, different things. The segregation unit has nothing in the cell because people who go there break up, set fires, burn, flood, smash everything. That's why they're taken there. They're just smashing things up, setting fires. So it's a basic cell. They call it a suicide cell. So there's nothing in there that you could manage to kill yourself with, whereas normal cells there are, yeah?

28:28So I got taken there. And then after a few weeks, I felt happy, not happy, glad it was over. As in the sense of this has been hanging over me for three years. So you try and live your life, which I'm trying to do again now. I'm facing prison again 13th October. Then I've got another trial in October, 2026 now for the Daily Mail journalist. I can get onto that. It's insane. It's absolutely insane, the hypocrisy in what they do. But I went to jail. I got put in solitary. But I was panicked the whole time because I remember in 2018, when I got solitary confinement, I describe it as I went into prison, one person would come out another.

29:06And I never realized it at the time. But when I come out after three and a half months of solitary, I was wrecked for years. So in my head, when I'm in this time, I'm thinking I know what three and a half months of solitary done. They've just given me 18 months. I've got nine months of solitary here. So with a psychologist, so I had a meeting the first week with a prison psychologist and I asked her, I said you're the expert here what's nine months of social confinement going to do to me she says it's going to be devastating dear I said so how are you doing it how the hell are you doing this I've breached a civil offence not a criminal offence I wasn't a criminal it's a civil offence yeah anyone who gets done for civil offences go straight to an open prison where they go home is do they think of you as that's an interesting point you say it's a civil offence not a criminal offence is this is this therapist how is she with you is she scared of you does she think does she have to have you like not standing next to her in a room are you allowed in a room alone with her no i was allowed no so most prisoners you don't have but my my my situation they knew what i was they know i wasn't a risk in fact all the all of their reports said there was no risk from him he's he's a model prisoner yeah he because because to hold you in these conditions it's called the mandela rule yeah so google it it's called the mandela rule you're only allowed to be held in solitary confinement for 14 days because after 14 days it starts having a detrimental negative effect on your mental health now what they had to do the prison can authorize up to 42 days of solitary confinement.

30:24Yeah. After 42 days, it goes to the government. So, Shabina Mahmood, is it? So, every 42 days, I had to fill out, because you have your opportunity to speak. So, every 42 days, I'd speak. I'd write down saying, this is insane. Yeah. I've been in here for, and after about six weeks, I started then noticing the difference in myself, which then I'm panicking about. My main thing was, I was always panicking. Because, and then it, it sounds weird. I was panicking about everything. But that's because you're sat in a self, on your own spending every minute of every day on your own without a let out or anyone to see I went into Woodhill Prison and I left Woodhill Prison I spent seven months I didn't see another prisoner I didn't speak to anyone Would you would you have rather been in the just because of the In the first week I said I'd rather fight every day so I had to fill it out I said I would rather fight every day than have you break my mind I'll physically fight every day You might have been killed I might have been killed but I might not have been killed I shouldn't be when I had this with the governor, so you have a meeting, I said, why have you brought me here?

31:25This has a 40 % Muslim population. 50 % of the people in this prison are murderers. I'm in the maximum security prison facility that holds some of the most dangerous men in this country. I played a bloody film. I played a film. They should have found you, if they had to put you in prison, which they shouldn't have done for a civil offence, they should have found you, the prison with the lowest Muslim population. Well, here, I said, I found one. Britannia House. My solicitors found one. Britannia House has 40 prisoners. It's an open prison. There's not one single Muslim there. Why can't you send me there?

31:54Do you know what they used? And I'll tell you what they used. And I've got the paperwork for this because at some point I'm going to do a follow-up. I come out of prison and, as I said, my head was wrecked. But I need to do a follow-up because I've got – what the prison used as justification to hold me in maximum security, they said that I faced further charges for breaching quarters. I don't. It's made up. So when I got there, I rang my solicitor. I said, am I getting done for more charges? So my solicitor contacted the Metropolitan Police Force and said, does he face these charges? They contacted back and said, no, he doesn't face those charges.

32:23He faces no further charges. So then Nicola Marfleet, who was the governor of the prison, when it got to my appeal, she put a statement into the court that I do face these charges. It's like, I don't face those charges. That's mad. So to justify, and do you know what happened to Nicola Marfleet? The day after she gives his statement to the court, she leaves the prison service, gets a job in the IPCC on a 50 % pay rise. She left the day after my court case. She got the golden handshake. But they've done that. I know what they know. They know, which is what I said is, they knew what they were doing.

32:57Anyone would know. If you stick him in a room for seven months, you're going to mess with his head. And I come out and it did mess with my head. Bloody hell. Did you worry about your food being tampered with? Things like that? I didn't eat their food. The difference in this one to last one, which I'll just be honest, is when I was in in 2018, I had£12.50 to spend a week. Because while I was a civil prisoner, they didn't give me the civil prisoner money. This time I had£60 a week. £60 a week was enough for me to buy five tins of tuna, five tins of sardines, five tins of mackerel. So I could buy enough.

33:24And you cook for yourself. No, you couldn't cook. This is the other, no, so when I landed in there, I'm in solitary confinement. I'm in, and I have a meeting once a week. No, once every two weeks. It's called a good board, yeah? With the governor, mental health, psychology. They all have to meet you because of the risk to you, yeah? For the, they have to justify what they're doing. So every morning, they would take me from my cell because they had to let me out of my cell for exercise. So, but they, you got 16 cells here, 16 cells here. They couldn't put me on the exercise yard here because all the Muslims were there.

33:54Yeah. So they didn't want any, their goal was for no one to see me. Yeah. They said, so to get me from a over here, which it was like a, I had the best opportunity as far as a journalist goes to see the prison system and to see the facilities and the way they hold other prisoners. So I got taken to a thing called the separation center. The separation center, do you remember back 10 years ago, maybe? They built prisons within prisons for the jihadists. So the most extreme Muslims get taken off the wings because they're radicalizing and converting and they get put on separation centers. So, but the separation center in Woodhill, which is 16 cells, was empty when I was in there.

34:33So I had 16 cells here, bearing in mind prisons are full. Yeah. I had 16 cells that they couldn't use. Then I'd get marked, walked every morning. So my door would open at half eight. They'd walk me over to another unit, which is a prison within the prison. So it's the biggest maximum security facility. they'd open me up on a wing there and they'd put me in there. But first of all, I'd go outside for 30 minutes. I'd walk around. It sounds weird. I'd walk around for 30 minutes. I'd do some chin-ups, do some dips because there was a little bar out in the yard. But I wouldn't see anyone. So I'd just walk around.

35:01It was just a big empty space. Then they'd put me into the unit, which is the separation centre. Now, I weren't allowed in the cells, but I got to see the cells. Those cells are travel lodge rooms. This is for the jihadists. I mean, they've got built-in mirrors on the fucking wall. I didn't see a mirror. So when I come out, when I come out, it didn't matter to me what I looked like because I weren't looking at myself. Yeah. But in these cells, they've got built in, they've got wardrobes, they've got everything. Is that what Axel Rudicabana had a kettle? Yeah, yeah, they all do. Yeah, they all do.

35:29But Axel Rudicabana, when I landed in Belmarsh for the first week and I was put on, I was put on a thing called a contingency suite, which was built for Ian Huntley. It's again, a prison within a prison, so you don't see anyone. When I went out on the yard, walking, and this, for me, the experience. I've just landed in jail. I went out onto an exercise yard, which is a courtyard with all, and it's healthcare. So all the nurses are above. And as I went out for the first day and walked around at every window with the nurses, and we love you, Tommy. Well done. So I knew straight out. And do you know where Axel Rudikobana was?

36:01He was in that cell there. Do you know what Axel Rudikobana was doing? He was a cleaner. He went on solitary confinement. He hasn't spent a day on solitary confinement. He had a cleaner and a job on the wing. None of them. So Salman Abadie's brother. Again, I'll get to this. So I go in there. I get moved from Belmarsh anyway. I know Axel Rudikwana's there. In fact, they gave the Secretary of State passed a law, which I've got the paperwork for. Dan Wharton come in to see me in jail. And I told Dan Wharton, Axel Rudikwana was in the cell above. He's a cleaner on the wing in Belmarsh. He ain't on solitary.

36:30I know that because the staff told me, the nurses told me he's in that room there. They have to deal with him every day, walking around the unit. yeah so I settled that then the next day that they brought in NDAs that anyone who come to see me had to sign an agreement that was because of that that got out of the jail I did Dan report that Dan Woodham reported it the next day they come in and give me a Secretary of State letter from the Secretary of State who's that is that Yvette Cooper from the Secretary of State that nothing if I spoke the word of Southport the word of Axel Wugabana my phone would be cut off any visits so my visits everything was monitored every second of what I said from the minute I got in there My phone was on live monitor calling.

37:07So everyone else's phones from six in the morning until nine o 'clock at night. Mine was on for half hour and then half hour again. And when it's on for half hour, they're sitting, sitting, listening. It's like, I'm not a terrorist. What about, did you get a priest visiting you? Yeah, I had a priest. I won't say his name, I don't want to put him in a position, but he was brilliant. He was brilliant. And the church, he was, I'd say he was doing a great job because sometimes the priests are so out of touch. He wasn't out of touch. He's an Asian lad. He was a brilliant lad. Wow. Yeah, he was brilliant.

37:39What about, because there's imams that come to the prison as well. So an imam come the first week I was in there and he said, Tommy, he opened up the thing, he said, Tommy, Imran sends his love. I said, Imran? And then he said, yeah, I said, is he in here? So one of my mates from school, he got 24 years. And I was talking to him before this when he was in another prison. So I was speaking to him just two years, three years ago. He's then in Woodhill. And I was like, Imran's here. And he goes, yeah, he sends you love. He said he loves you. I said, fucking hell. So then I put in applications, so did Imran.

38:08So we both put in applications to see each other, but the prison wouldn't allow it. So when I had my next meeting, I said, right, there's someone I can socialise with. Can you bring him here so I've got someone I can speak to? He's my friend. They said, who's your friend? I said, give his name. They're looking like that, thinking, what? I said, we're very good friends as kids. Yeah, I said, but he had a good job in there as well. But they wouldn't allow it. They wouldn't allow it. But back to, just so I can clear, so people understand what's going on with the prison within the prison. yeah the separation centre so I'm taken there and I'm put in a room probably just like this yeah and it's got an exercise bike and a running machine which was great for me yeah it was great because I would non-stop beast myself for an hour and a half then they'd take me out of there and lock me in a shower your arms are massive then they'd put me back in I didn't have weights I wish I had weights but you just look you look better that's just my shirt and kebabs but they they put me so I'd spend those couple of hours on that unit on my own and then I'd get put back in my cell by half 11 and then I get opened up the next morning.

39:06But when this is going on, I spent five months doing this routine and routines everything for me. I need routine. I spent five months doing exactly the same things, exactly the same time, reading at the same time, trying to keep myself sane. And then Salman Abadie's brother does a terrorist attack up in Franklin prison. Yeah. And then I find out because the staff, many of the staff are on deployment. So 40 staff from North and jails are in Woodhill because they can't staff it. Yeah. So they've got them all up there from, and it was their friends that were dealing with Salman Abadi. At that time, when that attack happened, there's seven Muslims in these separation centres, yeah?

39:39Again, none of them are on social confinement. They've got a pool table, they've got a pool table, they've got table tennis, they've got table football, and they've got a kitchen, right? No other prisoners have this. The jihadist unit has a kitchen with a full-on cooker, a chest fridge freezer, a toaster a sandwich maker an air fryer yeah and so as I'm having my meetings when I'm taken to this unit I'm saying please can I just cook my own food why can't I use that kitchen if you're taking me there every morning no you're not allowed to use the kitchen yeah why not so how were you eating these tins of tuna just open them up cold so just everything was cold for a year cold yeah just out of a tin just that out of a tin but then then so Salman Abadie's brother one of the ones included with him was Angem Chowdhury yeah so the seven which has never come out in the media, and they believe it was Anjum Chowdhury who ordered it because the staff told me, because they took seven of them.

40:31So the next day, I've got this gym every day, yeah, which is keeping me sane. Salman Abedin didn't do an attack. The next day, they transfer all those seven straight from Franklin because the staff won't deal with them. Do you know they were chasing? When he was stabbing the woman, he's chasing her around a pool table. And the other Muslims, the other seven there, they took the staff, so they isolated the staff. Can you let me in this room? Can you do this? And as they're doing that, he's then gone for them. So they're limited in numbers. It's all planned. It's horrible. It's all planned. That's not the first time he's done it.

40:58Samuel Abedie's brother, he's already done it. And do you know what he's done? He collected his butter. This is the insanity of this prison system, yeah? He collected his butter because you get about four or five butters a day given to him. And in his little kitchen that only the jihadists have got, he cooked up all the butter and that's what he's thrown on her. That's what he's thrown on her, acid to burn them, yeah? Jesus. He's thrown this. I'm sitting there thinking, well, I can't cook. I don't have cooking facilities. Yeah, yeah. Most prisoners, ordinary prisoners have on a wing, there's a little kitchen area, like a little thing like that, where they share a little fridge and they share.

41:30They don't have what these jihadists have got. So the best facilities are given for the worst people. And then they give them it all. The next day, the prison come see me and said, yeah, you've got no gym anymore. I'm like, what? Well, they've just brought all the jihadists to the separation center. You can't use the separation center. I said, what am I going to do about exercise? So then I lost everything again. I've lost everything because the jihadists have got it all. And then, so then, because when I went to court, they said I had a job. Yeah? They just lied. They said I work on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday, painting and decorating.

42:02It's like, I haven't done any painting and decorating. What are you talking about? I'm sat in my cell all day. I'm sat in my fucking cell all day. That's insane, mate. But then once they said that in court, they had to give me a job. So for the last two months, because my solicitor then started hammering it. So for the last two months, on a Monday, Wednesday and Friday, they took me out of my cell and they brought me to a a little empty unit and just put me in there. It's like, what the fuck? What, to paint something? Well, to clean the floor. And there was, so there's another eight cells that are empty.

42:30So I had 16 cells here. Originally I had 16 cells here. It's like I had 40 cells in a prison that's full. You're letting all the criminals out because you're saying it's full. I'm a civil prisoner. But I probably sound like I'm just moaning and bitching because the injustice, the injustice of seeing what the terrorists and jihadists have got and how easy of a ride. They're all just out playing pool all day together cooking food, having a great time, stabbing prisoners. This is the issue. I mean, 20 years ago, you were warning people that the influx of Islamic immigration was a huge problem in this country.

42:58Nobody believe you. The very fact - James O 'Brien hammered me. I rang up his radio show 20 years ago and said, they're taking over the prisons. I'd just come out of jail in 2010. And I rang him up and said, you do not understand they're ISIS training camps. These prisons are jihadist training camps. Everyone's converting. Nothing's being done. He just shouted me down. Yeah, he shouted me down. I don't think anyone understands the scale. Do you know, like, if you see in America, when they see the military, they clap them and applaud them. If you see a prison officer, trust me, you should be clapping and applauding them.

43:26And what the prison officers explained to me is they control the wing. So if we mess with the Muslim brothers as staff, if we put anything, they just put a hit on us. We're getting stabbed. So then the prison staff, and I don't blame them for it. They're just normal bods. It's like someone's mum. Some of them, they're just ordinary mums and dads. And they're going to work and they're dealing with the toughest, most hardened jihadist men and mindset who will happily stab them and happily stick acid in their face, happily burn them. So they're in this weak position where their hands are tied behind their back by the prison system due to allegations of racism, allegations of Islamophobia, and they can't do their job.

44:02But I sat and watched all of this and just thought, what the fuck? We're fucked. The prison system's being used. Every institution in our country is being used against our country. So are we heading for civil war? 800 prisoners come out every year. This is MI5 figures, not mine. 800 come out radicalised every year. They're building an army. They're building an army. They're taking. Do you know when you go in jail? I think people don't understand the concept of prisoners either. Woody was a different story because many of them are serious offenders. I went on a, when I was in Winchester prison, I'd done a family course.

44:32Because to do the family course, you can get a family visit with your children. And it was the most heartbreaking experience I've ever had. I was sat with 10 lads and hearing their stories. I had a good upbringing. I had a loving mum and dad. I sat listening to their stories thinking, no wonder they're sat here, man. These men have had nothing. They've been wronged. They've been abused. There's a reason why most people are sat in prisons. There's a reason. And you take that person who's been wrong their whole life and you get an ideology that gives them a brotherhood, an identity, a strong sense of belief, a strong sense of, which is Islam, yeah?

45:05And you weaponize it and you galvanize the hate and the wrongdoing and you aim it at Britain which is currently what they're doing do you know it's not all Muslims it's not all Pakistanis it's mostly whites and blacks now with big beards yeah there's that ginger Muslim phenomenon as well yeah because they've always felt isolated themselves yeah it's a genuine thing isn't it I've seen stats yeah do you know what else is mad do you remember Abu Halima no Abu Halima was the jihadist next door should I talk the documentary yeah he contacted me before I went Jow, I've been in contact with him constantly since I've been out.

45:41He was, I went to his house after the Salman Abadi attack in Manchester to point out that this is one of the country's most feared jihadists. And here he is four doors up from a junior school. He's not at the junior school of Amber, I think it was, was it Amber Rudd, our home secretary? He's not near her kids. Their kids are all all right. This man wants to take a knife and go kill those kids. It's our kids that are dying here. But he was in contact with me about the terrorism legislation and how they've managed to stop all the Islamic gangs because they're all under these terrorism orders. They can't speak.

46:08they can't go on the internet they can't be together interesting I wanted to get him on for a podcast that's interesting yeah but the case might let him you mentioned James O 'Brien before and James O 'Brien is in a bit of hot water at the moment I don't know if you saw he put out this thing on LBC from a listener saying that my wife went to a Jewish school and they were taught that every Jew's life is worth a thousand Arab lives or something and it's just utter bollocks yeah but he hates Jews yeah well no Jew is again I'd be careful of saying it because he hates Jews okay James O 'Brien hates Jews sue me James that's Tommy's opinion not mine.

46:38Oh, I actually think it's more complicated than that. I think that people like James see Jews as white people and they hate white people. I think that's what the issue is. No, I think they just want the pat on the back and everyone to like them. And at the minute, if you want people to like you, hate the Jews. Hate Israel. Do you know what? It winds me up because it's a very cowardly position to be in. No one's going to come and kill you for hating Israel, hating the Jews. Speak out against them, nothing's going to happen. Talk about the real issues, James. Go on and look at the teachings of the Quran.

47:08Go on and look at what's happening. Go on and look at the Islamic immigration. Go on and be brave and speak about the 500 men in that hotel. Some of them, if you look at the hotel in Norwich, two of them are raped. Look at the hotel where the girl's getting sexually assaulted in a school uniform. Another sexual attack yesterday. Speak about that. But they are cowards. They are cowards. He won't do it. I thought this about, I love Louis Theroux. I think he's great. He did this video about the ultra Zionists who are extreme and I think they do a lot of things wrong. Those are the most extreme people he can find in Israel.

47:33They weren't anything like even an average Muslim family around the Middle East. And Louis hasn't gone and done that. Would the BBC even allow him to? No, and he'd be too scared to. Yeah, that's the thing. Go and confront the jihadists. I keep thinking this. Even with these FNNAC groups keep piping up about me, I think, go do something. Why don't you go do something? I'll tell you what, why don't you go down to East London to the most extreme mosque and start challenging them? They just want to have a go at you. I mean, you've received a lot of criticism from the right for standing with Jews. Jews love you for it, not least because there's no one else to cling to.

48:03If you're a Jew in this country, there's 200 ,000, there's hardly any Jews left in the country. Most Jews now, they're looking at you and going, thank God there's someone who is supporting England, but also the Jewish people who are English. It would be a lot easier for you to just not speak about that. Is there an extent of it just being my enemy's enemy is my friend, the enemy of the Muslims in a sense is that's my friend? So I grew up in Luton, and as I grew up, I'll give an example. I've done this before. I went to, there's a Jewish covenant, you know, with all the ultras, the, the, Oh, the Ascidics.

48:36The Ascidics. Yeah. Out by Lily. And that's when we were kids, we were little shits. Yeah. When I was 11, 12, 13. And we used to go and people would get chases. And it didn't, I didn't even know that they were Jews. Yeah. But you'd get chases off whoever you get chases off. Chases off, flying stuff, knocking on doors. Oh, and if there's a fellow with a beard and a hat and all that. Pretty weird living in the woods. Pretty weird living in the woods. Yeah. So everyone go down there. I remember we was there once and my mate, who's a Muslim, was letting off a flare gun, letting off flares. And he said, my mum would be so proud of me.

49:02And I looked and went, what? I said, my mum would fucking kill me. Why would your mum be proud? He goes, Jews, fucking Jews. And I didn't know much at this point. And this is one example. Then there was Jewish families remembering the Holocaust in Luton Town Centre. They had to barricade themselves inside the town hall as the groups of Majurahdin, yeah, Al-Majurahdin, which wasn't a prescribed terrorist organisation which now is come and started attacking and the fact there was little kids all crying the Luton Islamic Centre which is the main radical jihadist mosque in the town which was where Khalid Massoud the Westminster Bridge attacker he was registered as a school teacher there it's where the Stockholm bomber went this was a major playing mosque in Luton the Wahhabist Salafist mosque that's the old synagogue I've watched there's no Jews left in Luton you can walk I'll tell you what get a skull cap and go walk through Berry Park See how you get on?

49:53It's a no-go zone for Jews. So I've seen all of this. And then I understand and I listen to, for example, Hamas on October 7th. On October 8th, what did they say? We're not coming for Israel. We're coming for London. We're coming for New York. We're coming for Rome. They have an idea. Hamas are ISIS. How do you negotiate with Hamas? Hamas' manifesto, one of the articles in their manifesto, so take the Labour Party because Hamas are the Labour Party. There's not much difference. But Hamas' manifesto says, the final day of judgment will not come until every Jew is dead. Not every Zionist. Some bullshit about Zionism.

50:27It's got nothing to do with Zionism. It's got nothing to do with Israel. Mein Kampf is 7 % anti-Jew hatred. Mein Kampf, Hitler's book. The Quran's 11. Take out Israel out of the equation. Muslims hate the Jews. Muhammad hated the Jews. Cayuba, Cayuba. You know, I remember watching, and there was a mass rally coming out of Luton. And they're all marching about Palestine. And they've all got balaclavas on. They're all chanting Cayuba. And I was thinking, what are they talking about? this is when I was getting my head into it all. This is going back probably 15 years before the EDL. And I'm looking and they're marching and they're chanting about a Jewish tribe.

51:00So when, and only when I started getting my head in and I read the biography of Ibn Ishtak, the biography of Muhammad, which is Muhammad's life by Ibn Ishtak. It's the most recognized and renowned biography of the prophet Muhammad's life. And 600 Jews surrendered and they surrendered themselves, yeah? And they surrendered and he lined all the men up and he pulled their pants down. And again, this is important, yeah? Because whatever Muhammad did is how the Peshwaga school attacked. Do you remember that in Pakistan? Yeah, I think so. Exactly what they done. So when they attacked a school, they pulled their pants down.

51:29Whoever started puberty, they were beheaded. So Muhammad beheaded 600 Jews in one day. This is their Jesus. This is what people need to understand. This ain't a man of peace. This ain't a holy man. This is a warrior and a barbarian. And after beheading the leader of the tribe, he took his wife, Sophia, that night. This is insane. And when I talk to Muslims about this, I say, How can you agree with this? He took Sophia, and this isn't my opinion, he took Sophia that night and he married her. So he re - He beheaded her husband, beheaded her whole family and then re - What are we talking about here?

52:03And this is the man who thinks perfect. And when they're marching, and they're chanting, that's what they're chanting about, him killing the Jews. It's like, this is all interacted. It all plays a part. So I don't see, I don't see that it's about that. And when we look at Israel, I went to Israel. I went to the camps. I went to Bethlehem. I went to a Fatah-controlled refugee camp. I paid young Muslims to take me. I risked my life. When I went there, I went with my mate from school. I said, we can't just come and listen to the Jews. Yeah. We need to listen to the Muslims. So let's go into a camp.

52:34So we paid these young Arabs and we went into a Fatah-controlled refugee camp. And I've got video of it. I'm walking around. And I'm like, who's she? Because they've got all murials on all the sides of the houses. She blew up a bus in Israel. So she's a fucking terrorist. She's a martyr. So I'm going through and talking about it all, understanding. And the Muslim lad kept telling me, he was a fourth generation refugee. I really got on with him. When I got back to Israel, to the safe zone, because in Israel, there's all parts do not pass here. When we went there, I thought, oh, that's where we need to go.

53:02We need to see what's going on. But I risked my life to go there. And then I have some liberal mug in England talking to me about Palestine. I think, have you ever even been there? Have you ever spoke to them? Have you actually ever set foot? Because I went into the camp, spent a day with them all, playing foot, running around with all the little kids. I felt my heart bled for them. It works. And what the refugee said is never fund free Palestine in your country. He goes, the money doesn't come to us. He goes, I'm a fourth generation refugee. My children will be fifth. Theirs will be sixth. Theirs will be seventh.

53:29We've had more, twice as much money in Germany after the world war to rebuild this place. And it hasn't been rebuilt. We haven't even got a park because they bring politicians here and it works because I said to my mate, I want to give them money. When we left, I thought, I want to help them kids. Yeah. I want to help my kids. And what I then found as I'm walking around the camp is that the Palestinian Authority, because I kept saying to him, asking questions, who's oppressing you? What do I think he's going to say Israel? Palestinian Authority. I'm like, who's the Palestinian Authority? They're the ones that govern us.

53:58He goes, and what happens here? So, and it changed my mind on a lot of things, is if someone leaves this camp and murders an Israeli, and I said a Jew, he goes, no, an Israeli. He kept correcting me. It doesn't matter if they kill a Muslim Israeli or a Jewish Israeli. If they leave the camp and kill an Israeli, their family get money for the rest of their life from the Palestinian Authority. So then I looked at the Palestinian Authority. Who funds the Palestinian Authority? We do. British taxpayers' money. So we're paying our money to go to the Palestinian Authority to pay mercenaries to leave the refugee camps to go and kill Israelis.

54:27And then they get rewarded. And I said to my mate, Dean, I said, I've got three kids. He's got kids. You'd do anything to help your kids. How do you get out of this camp? Go kill an Israeli. Go kill an Israeli. And as I walked around, I didn't realise how many Muslims there are in Israel. Forget these zones. dispute actually 20 % of Israel actually in the state of Israel and they're all living pretty happily and it surprised me we went past there was a video I had another I Love Israel t-shirt on from a tourist shop I had a Mossad one as well from a tourist shop so I had an I Love Israel and I saw about 2 ,000 young Arabs and they're doing camel racing and I said stop the car and we stopped the car and walked over in the middle of this field there's lads with machine guns and I've gone walking in and Trump had just been elected and we're walking thinking, what's going to happen here?

55:15No one batted an eyelid. And then as I'm leaving, there's Jews sitting having a picnic. So there's a thousand young Muslim men and there's Jews having a picnic and no one's batting an eyelid. I thought if there was a thousand young Muslim men in an East London park and there were visible Jews sitting having a picnic, they're getting it. Kelly Clarkson here with Wayfair. I know holiday magic starts at home and Wayfair makes it easy. They have everything from Christmas trees and mantle decor to outdoor lighting and inflatables that I'll use year after year. Head to Wayfair.com today.

56:12It's home on Line of Fire, Monday on NBC. So the suggestion then would be there is something about political Islamism that we're seeing in Britain and Europe, but there is other kinds of Islam that can exist in the modern world. We're starting to see bits of that in Qatar, Saudi Arabia. Looking at Qatar, Saudi Arabia, I think the king's taking it in the right direction. But to compare to Qatar, Qatar spent 750 million pounds, three quarters of a billion pounds, Islamizing Europe. They funded the ghettos in France. They've just done another 10 billion for some bullshit. It's all money. They've just declared 10 billion.

56:47But they fund the extremists, Salafists. That's right, yeah. They fund the problem. They create the problem. The UAE then? The UAE have a stance on radical jihadist mindsets and they ban them. So his but to hear, who are prescribed in the United Arab Emirates, are in every university in Britain. Yeah? So that's a type of Islam that is existing currently in the United Arab Emirates. I wouldn't say that's Islam. I'd say the United Arab Emirates is a business and they know that the future of their business relies on British and Western tourism. They're becoming a tourist destination and they know that that's the only future they've got.

57:23And also they understand that you can't allow this. Now, the difference with Britain is if you go back to the 80s and 70s, because we wanted a Mishra Hadin strong force to fight the Russians in Afghanistan, we gave base to many of these groups. We allowed them to be in London. The Muslim Brotherhood, They've got offices. So the terrorist groups that abandon all the Islamic countries have got offices in our country. You can't make it up. And then we're now reaping the problems from allowing 20 to 30 years of this radical jihadist mindset. We don't try and stop it. We're not stopping the funding.

57:57We're not stopping the extremist preachers coming in from Saudi, coming in from Pakistan. Literally one day they're in a cave in Afghanistan talking shit about jihad, and the next day they're in a mosque in Luton. As a political activist, what would you say is your biggest weakness? My biggest weakness? Probably I'm impulsive, very impulsive. Is it a weakness? I shoot from the heart. And if I think I'm right, which I am right, I'm not going to back down. Do you think that the Tommy Robinson sort of symbol or the aura around you that has led to, say, Nigel Farage to distance himself from you, could that be made better?

58:36by, I'm thinking maybe some of your tweets, like this, look at this Sharia, like a future video of, you know, this is Sharia England with like rubbish and shit everywhere. Yeah, no, I just think that we have to tell the truth. Is Nigel Farge telling the truth? Is he? Is he telling the truth about Islam? Has he mentioned one word about Islam? What's the biggest threat to Europe and Britain? Islam. Has he mentioned it? No. So he's not brave enough to tell the truth. He's not brave enough to confront the real problem. He'll talk about the boats. That's easy. He'll talk about immigration. That's not difficult at the minute.

59:03And Nigel jumps on the wave after someone's got that wave. Donald Trump didn't do that. None of the populist leaders in Europe have done that. They've all gone through hell and they've all told the truth. Every single one of them. Nigel just jumps in at the right time. And then it's quite easy to do what Nigel's currently doing. And then when Nigel silences us or attacks us, Nigel, when I was in prison, I'm in solitary confinement, I'm sat in jail and he just took the opportunity to sit on TV and lie about me. Nigel told people, do you know, Kemi Badenok had made comments about the refugies. Reform membership.

59:36And Nigel went mad. I listened to it all. He's going mad about how she slandered him and attacked him and lied about the membership. And then the week later, he sat on TV and said, Tommy Robinson's got conviction for violence against women. I've never got conviction for violence against women. I've never been arrested for violence against women. I've got no allegation of violence against women. Yet Nigel sat on TV and said that. And then this has met, and Nigel and Reform, and I get upset about it, but Reform voters won't, or Reform supporters won't like to hear it. If Nigel believes in free speech, why has he kicked anyone out at the party who's told the truth about Islam?

1:00:04Why have people been kicked out for speaking about transgenderism? There's no difference. Why did Nigel Farage and Reform, under his leadership, use Hope Not Hate? Why were they in bed with Hope Not Hate? They used Hope Not Hate. Hope Not Hate are a far-left organisation who have targeted and persecuted anyone who spoke against grooming, who spoke against parties. Nigel Farage got rid of Rupert Lowe and told Rupert Lowe to shut his mouth about the vaccines. Nigel Farage told Andrew Bridgen to shut his mouth about the vaccines. When Andrew Bridgen went to Nigel Farage, I respect Andrew Bridgen massively because he's someone who put his neck on the line and lost his whole career because of it.

1:00:37Is it maybe, though, that it's quite difficult to break through in British compared to other European countries? Yeah, but it's not difficult. The whole country's ready. That's the problem. Nigel's still five years behind, mate. The country's ready. The statistics has come out yesterday. 48 % of the public don't believe Islam's compatible with British values. 48 % of the public. Nigel needs to stop looking at the Tory voters and understand that Labour got voted in off 9 million people. What about the 19 million people who didn't vote? They're the 19 million people from our backgrounds who are fed up, feel alienated, feel betrayed.

1:01:05And you need to politicise them. You need to get them involved in politics because when people don't see a political solution, when they don't see an answer, I think we're going to see that tensions are rising in this country. And last year, 12 months ago, when the Southport attacks happened and there were the riots, the government should have listened. They should have said, okay, Britain, we understand you're scared. We understand your daughters are scared. We understand women are now scared in towns and cities across this country. They didn't do that. They banged Lucy Conley up. They banged people up for a few mean words.

1:01:35Someone shouted at a police dog in two years, three years. They clamped down and they tried to suppress the legitimate concerns of the British public. And right now, it's brewing again. And they're not... And again, the gaslighting, far right, this... They're not far right. People's daughters can't walk down the street anymore. Mothers are scared. Do you worry, though? I mean, historically, you see sort of one force on one side rises up too far and then another side comes as a reaction and goes too far the other way. It just always happens in history, doesn't it? Yeah, I do worry, which is why, if you look at our events called Unite the Kingdom, the last three successful events, I've learned a lot.

1:02:09I've held 60 national demonstrations. I've seen how we're infiltrated. I've seen, you know, January 6th. Look up special demonstration squad. Look up Google special demonstration squad. The British state has a group that infiltrates protest movements wearing balaclavas and masks in order to provoke violence. Just what you've seen this week in Epping. In Epping, we saw peaceful community who were growing in number, growing in confidence. We finally saw British mums standing up and saying, we're scared. Not scared to speak anymore. Yeah. They want them scared to speak. So what do they do? They bus in paid agitators, paid by the Labour Party.

1:02:46So unions pay them. The unions are in bed with the government and Labour Party. So that's the government supporting paid agitators to be ferried in by a police force, bringing them in to attack ordinary people. So then the media act as a weapon for the state. to publish all images of aggression and violence and say thugs, far-right hooligans. It's all planned. For anyone who doesn't know about that and is listening, it does sound, when you say it like, when you first hear it, it sounds conspiratorial. But they've admitted the police. They admitted that this is what happened. They've admitted. There was videos of it.

1:03:14But what people understand, and now people are making a big song and dance about it, I think, well, this has gone on for 15 years. I've watched it. So do you know what we've done to stop that at our events? If you turn up with a mask, we're going to take it off you. I'm going to make a video this week just trying to explain to people. we're in a dangerous situation here yeah where people are coming out protesting against these event these hotels now what what the establishment and the government were able to do last time was label these people these events as riots yeah if you don't liaise with the police they can bring in conditions they can limit where you walk now when they start putting police officers out and blocking streets that's what brings a confrontation now once that confrontation comes they'll label you all as rioters and they'll lock you all up yeah you have to work with the police so I'll be saying if you're organizing a protest outside a hotel, sit down and liaisle with the police.

1:04:00Make sure you sit down, you agree terms, you agree conditions, record everything. Do not allow this to spiral into a riot and do not allow innocent people to carry on because those men are angry. And I remember last, and I said all this when the riots were going on last year, I said, where are the men? Men need to be in those town centers taking the masks off the kids because those kids are, I would say, legitimately unjustified anger because girls in their community have been arrested in towns and cities across this country. But you need to channel that anger and someone's got to direct it in the right way.

1:04:29Because at the minute, explosions of anger, those people are going to be put into prison. Then when they get into prison, like happened last summer, they're going to be targeted by all the Muslim gangs and fed to them like a bit of meat. That's what happened. So that's something that I think you've said has happened years ago with the EDL, that it got taken over by the sort of fringe racists. We don't want them to rise up. No, but they're not going to rise up. There's 10 of them. That's the reality. The British public are never going to go with this FNO national bullshit. the British public don't support this every single British person everyone loves non-white people and have them in their family and have them as friends we're not that place we're different to looking at some European countries I look at France all the black immigration France has had is Islamic so there's a massive divide there not for us that's not like that in England we don't have that racial problem blacks and whites are like that that's what I've seen my whole life it's such a funny thing I don't because I've been doing this for years now it's all the people everyone who comes on the show is far right horrible person.

1:05:25I never heard any of them say a disparaging word against black people, Asians, whatever. It's absolutely mad. What happened with the Daily Mail thing? So the Daily Mail, so this is outrageous really, and I looked at what they'd done earlier recently. I'm away and I'm facing prison anyway, for this other case and I've gone, I'm out of the country before any riots, right? The Daily Mail and in fact, let me show you this. Yeah. The riots are kicking off. Yeah. And as they're kicking off, Keir Starmer, rather than accept the ordinary British people in every town city are upset, he wants to blame the far right.

1:06:05Because if he manages to blame the far right, he doesn't have to have a conversation about why people are out on the streets. Now, if you look, say, for example, was it in Hull? In Hull, one of the migrants left the hotel and murdered a British pensioner in the street in an attack for Palestine. Most people don't know this. Mohammed left the hotel in Tamworth and raped a woman. Mohammed. So in all these town cities where people are out on the street protesting, Rotherham, I watched a recent Channel 4 documentary. They didn't mention that young girls were being sexually accosted, young children, by the migrants in that hotel.

1:06:35So they don't mention any of this. But as the riots are going on, Keir Starmer's government decide, right, what we need to do is we need to blame it on the far right. Now, I've got nothing to do with the riots. I'm making videos saying, take the balaclavas off. Stop attacking police. This isn't the way. Yeah. They send journalists. I don't know how they, they send journalists to track me down. Let me read you what they said. Spain? I'm in Cyprus and I'm with other families lots of children until these guys just turn up well I didn't see them but the newspaper then runs a story breaking story it's me on a sunbed yeah and it says instigating hate instigating riots from his sunbed basically and as they've done that the story's gone viral everywhere all over the world 15 million views then there's videos being made by Muslims because they've they doxed the location where I was and they published images of my innocent family members in the paper that's mad Now they know there's threats to my family.

1:07:25Do you know they just done a recent family that showed the Afghanis coming off planes where one Afghani member had 22 family members? Did you see it? Yeah, yeah. Well, the Daily Mail blurred all their family. Yeah. So you're blurring the refugees, you're blurring terrorists, but you're showing images of my innocent family members who have got threats to kill them. And you didn't even see them. They were like doing a lot of like fights in the bushes. Yeah, I didn't see them. I didn't see them. But then the next day, three different groups turned up at the hotel. So the hotel managers pulled me in and said, we're scared for our guests here, yeah?

1:07:52Please don't leave the room until we can sort something out. So then the hotel got all different security and they said, we need you to leave. So this is the second day of my holiday, man. I've planned this holiday for a year with my kids. I needed a break. But then I didn't want my kids to lose out because there was four, four, four other families there with all my kids are friends with. So I had to leave. Yeah. And I left and then I looked through what they'd done. There was them threats and videos being made to kill my family. Muslims making videos with machine guns, all these attacks. And in this two day period, I looked at what they'd done.

1:08:21I tried to ring the Daily Mail. I tried to ring the editor. I sent them a DM, direct message saying, you need to speak to me. You need to contact me with what you've done. You've endangered my family. Yeah. And then I thought, you know what? I'm going to find them. I'm going to challenge them and question them on camera. So I sent, we have surveillance teams for when we're tracking the Islamic gangs. So I sent surveillance teams and said, get me the addresses, find the locations of these people. They've done that. The next day I've been sent images of them. So I've got an image. I can't name him because I go straight to jail.

1:08:49I've got an image of one of them I've got an image of the other one I've got their family coming out so what I did is I took the image of their family remember they published the image of my family I blurred out their faces and I blanked out their addresses and then I tweeted them saying I'm not going to do what you've done I'm never going to give the location of where you are I don't think it's morally right to show any innocent family members but I want you to think about what you've just done to my kids yeah you've endangered my family and then I said I'm going to be asking you questions on camera yeah that's it made it very clear.

1:09:21They've then run to the police. This is a Daily Mail, right? Remember, they harass everyone. They persecute everyone. And do you know this? This holiday here, when I was released from jail in 2018, and I've got the video of this, but I had to take it down. The police made me, I was going to be remanded in jail last month if I didn't remove the video from the video showing the public what they've done to me. So 2018, I'm released from jail, solitary confinement. The next day I take my kids away. I'm in Tenerife. At the end of the holiday, I clock this bloke. I've got my kids there. I don't drink.

1:09:50When I'm with my children, I've never had a drink with my kids. They'd booked into two rooms up from where I was. I didn't know this. And they'd been taking pictures of me every day. And when I clocked this bloke, I see him and I see him walk off and I knew something was wrong. So I chased after him. I said, who are you and what are you doing? He goes, I'm a journalist, Tommy. I said, what have you been doing? I said, how long have you been here? And I'm like, have you took pictures of my kids? Have you got pictures of my... And now I'm panicking because no one knows my ex-wife. There's no image of her.

1:10:16There's no image of her. so she can walk down the street. No one's going to attack her. No one knows who she is. So I panicked and I wouldn't let him go and I video it for 20 minutes. I say, ring your boss now. Get your boss on the phone to me now. I said, I'm going to find out who you are. And I asked him the same question. Is it okay if I come take pictures of your family then? I said, do what you want with me. I don't care if you lie about me. I'm used to it. But my innocent family. And then, so then he gets his boss on the phone and then I said, are you going to publish images of my kids? He said, we're not going to publish images of anyone else, Tommy.

1:10:46Yeah. I said, all right, sound. I don't really care. You're wankers. Was that Daily Mail then? That was a Daily Mail then. Did he say sorry for doing it in the first place? That was a Daily Mail in 2018. So the Daily Mail then, in their article, you can see their article. They didn't show pictures. They blurred all the other family. Then fast forward to the riots going on this year. They come and purposely show pictures of my family, even though I've been here before with them. So they've endangered my family and they've given the exact location of where we are on the first day of our holiday.

1:11:11That's mad. And here's their... They give themselves an award, yeah? And that's what this was about, yeah? In a year of unprecedented turmoil, nobody could touch the mail for quality and impact in 2024. Hard investigations, agenda-setting exclusives, fearless on-the-ground reporting, and award-winning commentary were mixed with brilliant features, bombshell interviews, blah, blah, blah. Jaw-dropping scoops, Tommy Robinson, in the face of outrageous threats and harassment, our old-fashioned sleuthing track-down Robinson tweeting from a Cypriot sunbed during the summer riots. NHS, let me get a bit.

1:11:41It's basically where they sit and say, we're proud of what we've done. We'll do it again. But they're playing the victim like they're scared. I didn't show who they were. Now, this is where the male are a weapon of the state. They come and track me down to make me the target of the... They say that the image of the last year's riots is me on my sunbed. Not Axel Rudakabana. Me on my sunbed is what they made the image of the riots. What are you now in trouble for, though? What's the charge? I'm in trouble for causing fear of violence to the journalists. So the journalists that I told them, I'm going to come and ask you some questions on camera.

1:12:13I now face 10 years in prison a 10 year prison sentence that's not a good threat there's no threat they actually say in the open up of the trial there's no actual threat from Mr Robinson yeah but what I would have posted I would have known would cause him fear it's like well what they posted would have caused you fear they're allowed to they're the state I can't mate I think you'll get off this one well I've got a jury for this one this is the first trial I've got a jury for yeah you're fine you're fine but when we say fine I've spent£20 ,000 already this is going to cost another£100 ,000 mate so do I win Do you know when I got the anti-Semitism march in London, when I went to report?

1:12:45Do you remember that? Yeah. And they handcuffed me and pepper sprayed me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I won that case. It cost£54 ,000. Yeah? They found that everything the police had done was unlawful. The bail conditions were unlawful. Did I get the£54 ,000 back? No. So did I win? Do you win? It's lawfare. The process is the punishment. Right now, I can't relax. I face prison in October. I can't plan beyond October the 13th. I think for Christmas, I'm going to be sat back in jail. What? on solitary confinement again. So all of these things, but again, and even I've come out of jail and I've just been honest, I've come out of jail.

1:13:19I went a hundred mile an hour when I come out with this Daily Mail thing and I felt wrecked, man. And I still feel wrecked. I still feel wrecked. Yeah, yeah. You've got to take it easy, but you're doing all of these. It's hard to take it easy. Where can people follow? I've got another question for you, but where can people follow your cause? You can follow my cause, well, these are my books. I might as well plug them and grift a little bit, but you can get these at trbooks.co.uk. I've done four books. Only one of them was left on Amazon. All of these went to bestsellers. You know you can buy Mein Kampf, Hitler's book, in 10 different languages on Amazon.

1:13:46You can't buy my story. You can't buy my life story. That's mad. What does that say? But we are shifting because I've got given back my ex-account off Elon Musk. The public reception I receive is hard to feel. I do feel sorry for myself at times, and then I need to slap myself out of it because I realize there's so many people in far worse positions than me and going through far worse than me, and I get so and so much love. everywhere I'm going I'm getting love so the public are awake you can follow me on my X account on my YouTube I've been given since coming out of jail my YouTube channel has given back to me Tommy Robinson official things are changing things are changing and they can't put they can't they're trying to put it back in the box they can't who's a heretic you admire?

1:14:27who's a heretic I admire? I admire lots of people throughout my activism from the start I admire Gerwilders I admire do you know what I respect anyone who says what they think at a difficult time. And do you know, for the last 10, 15 years, it was difficult. Now there's a lot of people that are speaking their mind, which is great. They're getting the courage to speak their mind. So on the September 13th, we hold our next United Kingdom rally. I'm expecting it to be the biggest rally of patriots the country's ever seen. It's a free speech festival. Do you know, we've got Jordan Peterson talking.

1:14:57Yeah. We've got Eva talking. We've got people coming from all over the world. Yeah. These are influential names. It shows how far we've come in 12, 24 months, yeah? And how the bubble has burst and people are no longer scared to align with us, stand with us. The British public are ready to come with us. But again, what I would say to anyone coming, which is the message that we have to put out, if you want to beat the establishment, if we want to really attract the mainstream and really wake this nation up, you do not cover your face. You do not come drunk. You come, bring your flags, bring your smiles, bring your children.

1:15:30It's a family atmosphere. It's a festival of free speech. The last thing they want us doing is celebrating identity and that's what we're going to do. We're going to have a party in central London on September 13th. Too right. That's Eva Vlardinga-Broke. Yeah, I never try and say her surname because it's got more than two syllables. I don't either. I've got it written in front of me. I think Eva, and we've got Katie Hopkins speaking. Katie, do you notice people like Katie, her life was destroyed. They took her home. They targeted her massively. She had to leave the country, yeah, at a time. And then now it's changed.

1:16:01She's getting hugged. She's getting loved. And do you know what's going to happen? And I've said it for years. When the public realise what they've done to this country, when they realise, no, the safety of your kids is gone. The country your children are going to grow up in is going to be nothing like the country you had. Yeah? And our kids are going to ask us, what did you do? How did you let this happen? Yeah? But when that happens, the public are going to look for who told the truth. And they're going to know it wasn't the BBC. They're going to know it wasn't the politicians. They're going to know it wasn't.

1:16:26They're going to look for the truth tellers. And those truth tellers aren't going to be perfect. I'm not perfect. I haven't been perfect. I'm a working class kid from a rougher state in Luton Town. I've made lots of mistakes I don't I don't regret any of those mistakes I don't regret I have I have done an apprenticeship in this I feel like I'm now qualified Yeah and I've learnt a lot and I know that and I'm a 42 year old father of three that's a I'm a very different man to what I was when I was 25 that's not to say anything I've done was wrong when I was 25 everything was out from the heart everything was for the right reasons but sometimes I said if you worry about consequence you're never going to bring about change and we've been trying to bring about change for over 15 years people go and get hold of Tommy's books you want to support him because he's got some really tricky things that cost a lot of money actually I mean just defending yourself and also they look like great books that I think people should get hold of and we're putting on a festival it's going to be literally a concert on September 13th if you want to have a good day can people just turn up just turn up it's free we crowd fund for people to pay for it it's going to be insane costs but we know the public is supporting it check that out some really interesting people as Tommy says like Jordan Peterson are going to be there Katie Hopkins and all that.

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