UK's Survival Depends On THIS

23 Apr 2026 · 1 h 16 min · 19 chapters

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In short

St George’s Day and a broader argument that the UK’s future depends on Christian nationalism, unity on the political right, and a hard line against Islamism and anti-Christian violence.

Guests

The episode features two main speakers. Guest 1 is the host (an atheist who says he still promotes Christianity). Guest 2 is a St George’s Day/Christian-nationalist commentator who discusses St George’s martyrdom, England’s Christian symbols (e.g., Edward III, the Garter), and current UK politics.

Key claims

St George exemplifies “church before empire” and should be a model for courage under persecution. Division on the right will likely lead to Labour or Green victories; unity requires humility, sacrifice, and red lines. Ethno-nationalists are portrayed as loud but not representative, and as a distraction from the real electoral fight against the left. The biggest hate target is claimed to be Christians, citing thousands of crimes and violence against churches. Islam is criticized for permitting child marriage under Sharia (including the claim that Muhammad married Aisha at six and consummated at nine). The proposed solution is banishment/kicking out dangerous apostates and Islamist figures, not prison or terror-watchlisting.

Notable examples

St George’s torture (iron-nailed sandals, whipping, lime pit, beheading). Speaker’s Corner incidents, including a convert allegedly threatened with death for apostasy. Claims about church arson/murders attempts. A discussion of a Muslim apologist interview from Luton (“Dowie”) defending age-of-consent/child marriage. Poland and Catholic nation-building as a model.

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Chapters

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Exploring St. George's Story

0:30 to 2:41

A deep dive into the life and significance of St. George.

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St. George and English Identity

2:41 to 8:00

Discussion on St. George's role in English history and identity.

“George, he was born in what is now occupied East Turkey or Cappadocia, born to a Roman family.”

Political Division on the Right

8:00 to 14:00

An analysis of the current political divisions within the right.

“Now, you've asked me to put a pin in the story of how he did that.”

Unity on the Right: The Future of Politics

14:00 to 15:45

Explore the need for unity among right-wing factions in the UK to address current political challenges.

“there by analogy for everyone on the right who cares about this country is that it's not about you.”

Ethno-nationalism and Right-Wing Unity

16:10 to 18:54

Discussion on the impact of ethno-nationalist views on the right-wing coalition and the importance of nuanced debate.

“There is a certain satisfaction when you work with someone.”

Demographic Concerns and Cultural Identity

18:54 to 21:56

Examining the complexities of demographic changes in the UK and their implications for national identity.

“if it looks like reform's going to win, the left will do tactical voting.”

The Role of Christianity in National Identity

21:56 to 26:14

Investigating how Christianity has shaped national identity and culture in Poland and England.

“And I think that this whole talk about ethnic minorities, ethnic majorities, is to give oxygen to their way of thinking.”

Controversial Views on Consent and Marriage

26:14 to 28:00

Analyzing a contentious interview regarding age of consent and historical practices within Islam.

“and it's what helped to rebirth Polish nationality.”

Critical Examination of Islamic Teachings

28:00 to 37:58

A critical analysis of the practices and teachings related to marriage in Islam, focusing on child marriage and its implications.

“and a 56-year-old having sex with a nine-year-old?”

Addressing Extremist Views at Speaker's Corner

38:28 to 42:00

Discussion on the implications of extreme views expressed at Speaker's Corner and the need for societal responses.

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Policing and Religious Parades in the UK

42:00 to 56:00

Discussion on the implications of policing decisions related to religious marches and community tensions.

“you're kind of seeing it somewhat in Hungary, is the idea that a nation makes its own personal dedication to Christ and lets that ideology filter out through all of its institutions and through all of its policies.”

Introduction to Toledo Truth Teller

56:25 to 56:51

Get introduced to the award-winning staff of the Toledo Truth Teller.

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Civil War Discussions in the UK

56:53 to 58:33

Examine the potential for civil strife in the UK and its implications.

“Could you see a religious war pending or happening?”

Concerns Over Public Spending and Civil Unrest

58:35 to 1:01:21

Discuss frustrations with public spending and the potential rise of civil unrest.

“And, you know, I'm bemused and baffled at how the elites are not taking it more seriously.”

The Role of Chivalry and Christian Values

1:01:23 to 1:06:03

Explore the importance of chivalry and Christian values in contemporary society.

“Even the people that would never have said anything two years ago, they're speaking out loud in changing rooms, in restaurants, in cafeterias.”

Significance of Saints in English Heritage

1:06:04 to 1:10:00

Learn about the saints of England and their role in connecting to heritage.

“In the past, the code of chivalry was created in France.”

The Significance of Saints in England

1:10:00 to 1:15:02

Explore the role and importance of saints in connecting English culture and Christianity.

“So for instance, the stone that was wore by Edward the Confessor, his sapphire stone, is in the state crown that the queen wears or the king will now wear.”

Reflections on King Charles and Constitutional Change

1:15:29 to 1:20:26

Discuss the role of King Charles and the need for constitutional reforms in the monarchy.

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A Call to Celebrate St. George

1:20:27 to 1:20:46

Encouragement to honor St. George and the unifying message of Christian heritage.

“And let's get into that flow, that stream of history, and let's own it for ourselves.”
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0:43Or is this just an act? Oh, no. This is mad. Oysters, everybody! There's a certain satisfaction when you work with someone. Maybe we could be a family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th, only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to laugh. There is no such thing as a nine-year-old woman. The Quran permits you. It says in black and white that you can marry prepubescent children. The idea that it was different back then is nonsense because according to Sharia law, according to all the madhabs, you can still marry children today. He was wise enough to tell us not to eat bacon sandwiches but not to shag little children.

1:20Over 9 ,000 crimes in a two-year period against Christian churches. Over 1 ,000 of them were acts of violence. There's been murder attempts of Christians at Speaker's Corner, churches that have been there for centuries, suddenly catching fire. We're in a very crucial stage in history for the fate and future of this country.

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2:30Bob. Liam. Happy St. George's Day. Happy St. George's Day. How are you? I'm good. Well, let's start with the real story of St. George. Jumping in, right. Straight in. Fine, yes. So St. George, he was born in what is now occupied East Turkey or Cappadocia, born to a Roman family. His father was a Roman soldier who became a Christian and was then martyred for the faith. His mother then took him back to Lida or Diaspolis, which is in what we now call Palestine or Israel, you know, near Beirut. Well, maybe that's even Lebanon, actually. But he was raised by his mother to be a Christian, was a very pious Christian.

3:23And then as he grew up, he decided to join the Roman army himself. and he excelled. He was a courageous soldier, a talented soldier, and a proven soldier. And he rose quickly through the ranks, became a tribune in the Roman army, in the Roman legions. And this is all around, he was born around 280 AD and his life goes into the early 300s. And in 303 AD, Diocletian the oppressor launched a major persecution against the Christian church. He was a pagan himself. This was before the conversion of the Roman Empire. And this was the last great persecution of the Christian church. So Christian churches were destroyed.

4:18Christian literature was burned. And every Roman soldier, because there were lots of Christians in the Roman legions, was forced to make offerings to the pagan gods by pouring a bit of salt on an incenser before a statue or a bust of a god and particularly the emperor. And they were ordered to persecute Christians and St. George refused. He refused to carry out the edict. He refused to use his authority against Christian congregations. So he placed church before empire. and he also refused to sacrifice to the pagan gods. Now, because George was such a great Roman soldier, rather than just have him executed like anyone else, the emperor decided to make an example of him and wanted to break him.

5:15And, you know, accounts differ as about whether he was tortured over years or whether he was tortured intensely, but he was tortured to renounce his faith. So they stuck iron sandals on him with nails in them to burn his feet. They regularly whipped him and beat him. They chucked him into a pit of lime. You know, they locked him up in a dungeon, a cell, little food, little water. And after all of these various tortures were inflicted upon him, And he still had not renounced the faith. He continued to say, Christos is Kaiser, which is Christ is Lord, rather than, you know, saying that the emperor, Diocletian, was Lord.

6:08He was eventually beheaded near his home city of Lydda. And from that time, his fame and his veneration went out across the Christian church. He became a popular saint in Georgia, which is named after him. He became a popular saint in Egypt. He became a popular saint in Ethiopia, where he's actually the patron saint. So he's the patron saint of England. He's the patron saint of Ethiopia. He's the patron saint of Georgia and he's the patron saint of Portugal where the battle cry was always Portugal and St. George.

6:55Echoing Shakespeare's Henry V play where it says, and upon this charge, cry out God for Henry, for England and St. George. His emergence as the English patron saint is a little bit of a journey. I don't know if you want me to get into it because I've finished the official story of St. George. Put a pin in that because I want to talk to you about the saints towards the end. And I want to get into the political riot in society and culture and all what's going on currently. I'll just finish that thought then. He ends up becoming this venerated martyr, an example particularly owned and beloved by soldiers because he was a soldier himself.

7:35and he becomes this example of virtue and faith and soldiering and courage and ultimately martyrdom. And the idea of, you know, it's church before empire, it's Christ before Caesar. So every English man or woman that's watching this live, it's St George's Day today. Yeah. Why should they raise a glass in his honour? Because he is our patron saint. Now, you've asked me to put a pin in the story of how he did that. But he is our patron saint. He has become an emblem of England. And I'll maybe tell the story later, but he's an integral part of our history. When Edward III chose the cross of St. George, which became linked to St.

8:27George during the time of the Crusades, when he made St. George the patron saint of the chivalric order of the Garter, which is the highest and one of the oldest chivalric orders in the UK. That is how the English flag of St. George became the English flag of St. George. And he embolises our relationship as a Christian people to the church, to the greater confederacy of the universal church around the world, and also of our own Christian character and a Christian nation and a rallying point for English patriotism. And so irrespective of whether you're religious or not, because we know there's a lot of people that aren't Christian, but this is a Christian country.

9:26And as you know, I'm all for Christianity steering the ship. As far as faiths are concerned, that has to be top tier. And there's so much division, certainly amongst the right-hand side of politics, which we're going to segue into that now because I can't wait to pick your brain on that. But if for nothing else, this has got to be a great day and an opportunity to grab with both hands to unite, something we're lacking. Amen. Very true. And I think these emblems of England, which are, when you go down through it, when you look at all the emblems of England, like the chivalric orders, like the Order of the Royal Garter, the Order of Bath, as well as the English flag, which is across the St.

10:11George, Westminster Abbey, which is connected to Edward Confessor, Everything about all the totems of what it is to be an English nation are wrapped and clothed in Christianity. They are voiced in Christian grammar. And so for us, if we're going to find a unity as being English, then it has to be a unity as being Christian, you know, and of applauding, lauding, upholding and reviving our Christian culture, you know. And so people can honour this day by just literally toasting St. George. Celebrate it. Yeah, celebrate the life of St. George because St. George is, and we might get onto this a bit later because you've said so, but the saints are meant to be lessons to us.

11:01And St. George is meant to be a lesson to us. It's meant to be a lesson to us. He's held up by the church as a lesson of courage under fire, courage under persecution, courage under oppression. You know, because that's what he embodied in his own lifetime. And so, you know, in this age where increasingly Christians are being persecuted, increasingly where, you know, the patriotic movement is coming under pressure, you know, we need these kinds of examples to be upheld amongst us. and St. George is one of many saints, but an example to be held up amongst as a lesson and someone to look up to and someone to esteem and to replicate in our own conduct.

11:48Yeah, for anyone that watches this, I mean, they'll surely know this by now, but there'll be new people to my channel that don't know that I'm actually not religious at all. And for those that aren't religious, you can always do what I do. I still celebrate Christianity. I still push and promote it because I think it's the only roadmap worthy of following because if not Christianity, then who? And I think we know who, and I don't think many of us want that. But moving on to the division amongst the right-hand side of politics, I'm concerned. What are your thoughts and concerns on that? And is there a solution to the division on the right?

12:23Because I think now you've got to be living under a rock not to notice that everybody on the right-hand side of politics are at each other's throats rather than – And I want to know where you think their direction should actually be aimed rather than each other. I think that the first thing is that in some ways it shows that there's a vibrancy on the right. The fact that the right is now grown as a movement that, you know, shows and has divided because of that growth, shows that there's momentum behind it, you know. And I think that the solution is that, and it is really crucial because I personally think that we've only got two election cycles to get a grip of the situation before it gets away with us and gets away from us.

13:05So the next two elections, I think, are hugely important. And we have to be very discerning both in who we back and in our strategy going forward. Division on the right will almost certainly guarantee either another Labour government or even worse a Green government, you know, and that's even more scary than a Labour government if you ask me. There's a couple of things. One is there's got to be humility. I think Ben Habib showed some really great example of that when he was willing to offer Rupert Lowe a unity almost straight away, you know. but as well as humility on all the players there's also got to be a realization that this is not about them this is about a much bigger thing you know the thing that unites all christians is that it's not about any one of us it's about christ and the kingdom of god you know and and there's a lesson there by analogy for everyone on the right who cares about this country is that it's not about you.

14:11It's about the future of this country. And people, thirdly, need to be much more willing to make sacrifices, you know, as in sacrifice their pride, sacrifice their position. And I think that that needs to be the basis upon which we move forward is to appeal to all of the people, Nick Tenconi, Rupert Lowe, Nigel Farage, Ben Habib, name your person here who I've forgotten. Can we badden up? Maybe, yeah. There's issues around alliances, obviously, but we've all got to recognize that we're in a very crucial stage in history for the fate and future of this country. And unity on the right is absolutely paramount to changing things around.

14:59But I think the issue that you've got is that wherever you create unity, you also create compromise. and so there's got to be some very clear red lines put in place and I think that the momentum is not with the Conservative Party so the weaker parties, the weaker horses in this race on the right for the vote of the right, those weaker horses they need to have the humility to go do you know what, we are not the commanding voice in this and so let us rally under the commanding voice which I think is going to end up being Rupert Lowe at this moment. I don't know if I've answered your question or if there's anything you want to dig into more on that.

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16:33There is a certain satisfaction when you work with someone. Maybe we could be a family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th, only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to laugh. I mean, the Tories are considered leftists by the people on the... I don't even like using the phrase far right, but let's say the ethno-nationalists that want the UK to be 100 % white skin. Yeah. Practically, I can't see how that would ever happen. and I don't think they understand nuance. It's not as clear cut as deport every single human being that isn't white. That seems to be their argument.

17:11And if you don't agree, now me, for example, I've said I would like the indigenous to be 90%. I mean, that's a high figure, but even that isn't good enough for the, there's a collection of ethno-nats at the moment and they're on the attack and they come across juvenile. I mean, there's a lot that aren't, and they've got a very good argument, and they can articulate themselves, but there seems to be growing accounts of ethno-nationalists that they don't debate, they just insult you. They're like, well, let's have some context, a little bit of nuance, some understanding, some to-ing and fro-ing.

17:45Maybe we can find some kind of middle ground. And I think they're killing any chance of a coalition amongst the right. I don't know what you think about that. Well, I think the ethno-nationalists, they're not in any way, they're loud and they're noisy. Like any minority can be loud and noisy, but then in no way representative of the general spectrum of right wing sort of patriotic thinking. And and if there were if there were to be any fight on the right, it would have to be against them. But we also need to make sure that we're not over over exaggerating their influence. There might be noisy on social media, but they're not.

18:25And but they live parasitically within the right. You know, they attach themselves to other people's movements and they can never force or create a movement of their own. I think, and so in some ways, we could allow ourselves to be distracted by fighting them. When really the fight that we need, the fight, our focus needs to be about building unity. because as we approach the next election, if it looks like reform's going to win, the left will do tactical voting. Labour voters will lend their votes to the Green Party. Green Party will lend their votes to the Labour Party. Everybody will lend their votes to the Liberal Democrats.

19:12They will organise an alliance of left-wing votes to stop reform getting in. On the right, we need to do the same. we need to organise an alliance of right-wing votes where the strongest candidate and the most likely candidate to win in each seat based upon polls and such gets our backing and that's where our focus needs to be because the big enemy, the real opponent at the next election is not going to be some noisy racists it's going to be the Green Party it's going to be the Labour Party and it's going to be an alliance of the left we've got to have a clear water and everyone inside the sort of broad umbrella that is the patriotic movement just needs to have their discernment on to recognise that anyone who's trying to make this about ethnicity, anyone who's trying to make this about race has kind of misunderstood the point and we need to make sure that we push them out of the movement or we keep them on the fringes.

20:15They'll attack you for this. Of course they will. And they'll talk about the white race being replaced and that you're a traitor. Yeah, well, I mean, if they're going to talk about stuff like that, then why aren't they talking about abortion? Why aren't they talking about contraception? Why aren't they talking about divorce? Because the thing that has, or why aren't they talking about the hedonistic culture? Because the things that have led to, you know, declining numbers of white folk in England are rooted in those things. You know, it's more complicated than that. You know, there's issues, you know, there's entire topics that you could talk about around female education and how that impacts birth rates and so on.

20:49But the reality is the decline of white folk in England is a completely self-inflicted thing. Since the 1970s, we've been aborting towns worth of English people in England, and that's been done purely by English families without any pressure from anyone else. This is a self-inflicted injury. and migration, even in the past when it was more controlled, was as a result of a number of different factors. It's never just one issue, but one of them was the fact that we were not having enough children because we were aborting too many of our children and we were avoiding having lots of children. And so the thing is, I'm not with you on the whole 10 % figure.

21:39I haven't got a number in my head. I don't mind the genetic makeup of this country. What I care about is whether the people in it are adhering to a Judeo-Christian culture. And if that is an Anglophile culture, then fine. I'm open to that suggestion. And I think that this whole talk about ethnic minorities, ethnic majorities, is to give oxygen to their way of thinking. You know, when we don't need to. You wouldn't even be asking this question if we'd managed to get a grip of abortion, contraception and divorce. Like, get rid of those three evils and the hedonistic culture that prizes sex over family.

22:27Get rid of those four evils and people will just have children at replacement levels. That's a very, very good point that is. And I'll tell you what influenced me. I think because I'm not religious, what influenced me with the 90 % figure? Yeah. I'd probably take 85 % if the 15 % of foreigners added absolute quality and value to the country. No problem at all. I'm about the exchange of value. Yeah. But I don't want to be replaced. But my trip to Poland, I'm well-travelled. I've travelled the world. I used to work in travel. So I've travelled the world. I've been to a lot of countries, seen a lot of cultures.

23:04We seem to be the only country that are ashamed of our own existence and flag, which is bananas. But when I went to Poland last year, it was such an eye-opener for me. The national pride, the lack of crime, the no Islamic terror attacks. And they don't shy away from it. They're proud of who they are and they want to stay that way. And that made me think, okay, we need a high percentage of Indigenous people in the UK for it to work. And I've kind of rolled with that. So, yeah, Poland influenced my figure, if you like. But they had their flirtation with internationalisation under Donald Tusk. Yes.

23:45And then within, I think it was one election cycle, he's back out because his experiment immediately saw spike in crime. and a spike in crime from Islamic migrants. And I think the thing is what we've got to recognise is that migration and immigration is not a threat to the UK if it's controlled, if it is filtered properly, if it is managed properly. What we've got in this country is unmanaged migration. We've lost control, haven't we? Yeah, there's no southern border on the coast. And our elites don't see the – and this is the point. The thing about Poland is that because of the influence of Christianity in nation building, and this is a really important point, is that the church has always built nations.

24:38Portugal, built during the Crusades, people fighting for their Christianity. Spain, built during the Crusades, people fighting for their Christianity. Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Malta, England. All of these nations, Prussia, all of these nations were built by peoples seeking to defend their Christianity. And that created a sense of a national story and a national culture that in a country like Poland, they recognize. They recognize that Poland has a culture, that Poland has an identity that is not just – that is deeper than the institutions that guide it, protect it, govern it and manage it. i.e.

25:28they recognize that there is a culture there that is the bedrock and the institutions are there to preserve the bedrock. Whereas in England, because of liberalism and because we've gone down the liberal road, the institutions don't see themselves as safeguarding a national identity. They just see themselves as managing the contract of the state to the individual. and the individuals are paramount and there isn't a culture to look after. And that whole ideology accelerated from the 1960s, whereas Poland, because they were suppressed by the USSR, the thing that helped them to hold on to their identity was their Catholic faith.

26:11And that's actually what helped to bring down the USSR and it's what helped to rebirth Polish nationality. You know, and if the rebirth of Polish nationality can come from the church, then the rebirth of English nationality can come from the church as well. You mentioned Islam. Bit of a change of topic, but I've got a feeling my audience will be very interested in your reaction to a recent interview. Yeah. So I had a Muslim revert man come on from Luton by the name of Dowie. Yeah. And the interview started by him. He made a few videos about me. I ignored them. I watched the interview myself, so yeah.

26:54Okay, so you know. It was a bit of a backward and forward. So the reason why I invited him on was because he was defending the whole age of consent thing that everybody debates and most level-headed people are very concerned about. And for me, there's no justification of a six-year-old getting married and then being slept with, I'll use the word, raped at nine by a 56-year-old man with a beard that carries a sword. No one can convince me it was different back then, that go-to argument. The age difference, the gulf has always been exactly the same. And when you've got other wives that are adults, why would you need to see a six-year-old playing with her dolls, marry her, wait three years, and then consummate the marriage?

27:43You're never, ever going to get through to me on that one. Ever, ever, ever. So I'm so interested in what your thoughts were on maybe that interview or the section of that interview because he danced around that for about 20 minutes. It's a simple question. What are your thoughts on a 53-year-old marrying a six-year-old and a 56-year-old having sex with a nine-year-old? Yeah. And then it's complicated. It was different back then and he skirted around it And then he's tried to use other people as examples. And then he's talking about Epstein Island. It's like, we're not here to talk about Epstein's Island.

28:17That's a different podcast completely. Tell me your thoughts on the Prophet Muhammad. Just think about that defence. I mean, I did watch the whole interview. I can't remember lots of details from it now, but I listened to the interview with interest. And I was left, the one thing that I do remember is that I was left with the impression that his mind is just awash with dawaganda arguments and dawaganda propaganda. And I don't think that he's been challenged with like a seriously critical view of Islam, you know, or done any academic research into Islam. He's just basically believed the propaganda and he seemed filled up with that, you know, which, you know, and that's not unusual.

29:03I mean, otherwise he was a very engaging guy. He's got a very engaging kind of personality, a very engaging voice, and he's got an engaging story. You know, it was an interesting interview. But it sounded brainwashed to me, to be honest. He did to me. And I said that to him. Like, you take away some of the lunacy that was coming out of his mouth. He seemed like a nice guy. Yeah. But, like, looking at his argument, and this is obviously something I've talked about lots on lots of different occasions, right? The hadiths are very clear. Muhammad married a child when she was six and then consummated the marriage when she was nine.

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29:41And the Quran permits you to, it literally says that if you're going to marry a prepubescent child, you've got to wait three months to see if they're pregnant. And just think about that for a second. There's all kinds of issues right there. And in the books like A Book of Fiki, which is Sharia manual codes, it says in black and white that you can marry prepubescent children. It's just there in Islam. So the idea that it was different back then is nonsense because Islamic law still permits it today. And in Iraq, they've lowered the age of consent. You know, the only country that I know of in the world where they've actually dropped the age of consent.

30:23And I think the age of consent is now 13. The point is the idea that it was different back then is nonsense because according to Sharia law, according to all the madhabs, you can still marry children today. So that's nonsense. The second point is, you know, he compared him to English kings of the past. And it's like, so your prophet is only good as an ignorant Christian king who didn't know anything about childhood development. The thing is that king did not have a direct wire to God. But your claim is that Muhammad had a direct wire to God and he was wise enough to tell us not to eat bacon sandwiches, but not to shag little children.

31:04It's like, just switch on your brain. You lord how Islam bans alcohol. And to be fair, there's some merit behind this. You know, alcohol is not the greatest thing in the world. It is a poison. But you lord that to the nth degree about the foresight and the knowledge of Allah. Are you telling me that Allah couldn't tell you that shagging little kids was wrong? And let's be clear. There is no such thing as a nine-year-old woman. because the argument is that Aisha went into puberty, right? It's called precocious puberty. It's a medical condition. It's the early onset of puberty where your body thinks that you're ready to have kids and starts behaving like it is, but the rest of your body isn't.

31:52Your brain isn't developed. Your hips aren't developed, you know. And for crying out loud, she was still playing with dolls on the day of her marriage. Now, according to Islamic law, according to Sharia law, if you're playing with toys, you're still a child. You're not mature enough. Right? But she was still playing with dolls when she got married. And so, you know, it is a really poor argument, an incredibly poor argument. And the thing is, and this is one of the differences between Christianity and Islam, is that Christianity allows us to incorporate new knowledge and to develop our understanding of things.

32:34So we've developed an understanding of childhood development. And that's why Christian countries have increased the age of consent. Because we can learn. We believe in learning. Right? Whereas Islam is fixed to the prototype of Muhammad. And so if Muhammad did something, unless he expressly prohibits it for you, like, for instance, Muhammad had 11 wives, but then prohibited every other Muslim to only having four wives, which is kind of good for him, isn't it? You know, a bit like a Joseph Smith move, founder of Mormonism. But if Muhammad did it and he didn't prohibit it for you, then you can do it.

33:14It doesn't mean you have to do it, but it means you can do it, which means that there isn't a Muslim reason to say you can't have sex with a nine-year-old child if she's got precocious puberty. Right? Now, the thing is, if you study childhood development, we now know that adulthood kind of emerges between sort of 18 and 24. That's why everybody feels like they're 20 years old their entire life is because the brain finally stops developing around 24 years old, sometimes a bit earlier, sometimes a bit later. And that's why everybody feels in their heads that they're still 20, even though everything about their body is telling them that they're not.

33:54So we know from the study of childhood development that there is no such thing as a nine-year-old woman. And we know, I mean, it's ridiculous to claim that in 1 ,400 years, human beings have evolved differently. The most ridiculous argument I've ever heard from a Muslim apologist is, oh, it's because of the heat. People develop faster in the heat. Nonsense. Even if it makes a small little bit of difference, it's not going to be the kind of difference that will justify sleeping with a nine-year-old. So I felt sorry for him, really, that he was so brainwashed that you could tell by him dancing around the topic that he knew that it was wrong.

34:39And didn't he say in the interview, it doesn't apply today? Is that something he said or am I just making that up? And if I remember rightly, he did condemn that behaviour should it be done in modern times. But the point is, Mohammed is the best example according to Islam. So that means he's the best example today in everything that he did. if Mohammed's the perfect example, isn't he the perfect example today for you now in how to marry a child? Retrospectively, you look back and you think, this is what I should have asked him. And this sort of slips into Speaker's Corner, where you've been working tremendously for years and years.

35:13I've heard somebody at Speaker's Corner talk about their daughter, for example, when he would allow his daughter to have a fully grown man have sex with her. And I've heard this on a number of occasions, that Muslims say that when a female is physically, mentally and physically able to have sex with, then a man can have sex with her or he'll give her away to get married. And what I wanted to ask him was, and I didn't get the chance to, was, well, who decides when a young girl is physically, spiritually and mentally ready? Who decides that? Well, I mean, it's a great question because under most of the madhabs, many of the madhabs, the decision-making process always is with the father.

35:58So when Aisha was six, Mohammed married her. Now, no six-year-old has frontal lobe development, which is one of the things that makes you an adult, is you get that frontal lobe development that allows you to make farsighted decisions, i.e. not irrational emotional decisions. That's why little kids run into the middle of roads because they can't think of the consequences. So no six-year-old is able – and I was speaking – I was evangelizing a Muslim just yesterday. He's got two wives, you know, living in this country. And, you know, I asked him, do you think – because he's got children. He's got a number of children.

36:36And I asked him, do you think that – I asked him about one that was closest to six. You know, do you think your closest one to six is able to make a decision about getting married? And he said, fuck no. You know, and he's like, bro, like, and you often get this where Muslims recognize it at one level. And then that flick goes on. Oh, well, I can't condemn Mohammed. Oh, I can't condemn Islam. So the way that Muslims get around that is they say that the decision making happens by the father. which is often why muslim men who were suiting and romancing non-muslim women present this idea of you know really romantically like oh i need to go and ask your father's permission and then you know but they present it like it's a romantic way of honoring the woman what they're not telling them is that under their view of islam the woman isn't intelligent enough to make the decision herself and that's why they have to ask the father real value shows up in reliability you don't have to second guess like a set of firestone all-season tires they're designed to deliver confidence inspiring wet weather traction and a quieter ride no matter the road season after season firestone all-season tires for durability you can count on just like people count on you Firestone, always dependable since 1900.

38:28family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to live. Another good answer. You said about you just evangelized a Muslim only yesterday. Yeah. So there's another thing I saw at Speaker's Corner, which I was horrified about. There was a Muslim man that had converted to Christianity and he got into a discussion with a Muslim speaker there. Yeah. And when the Muslim speaker found out that this Christian was previously a Muslim. He switched, he turned, he couldn't hide it. He's an apostate and he should be punished by death, capital punishment.

39:03Yeah. And he beat that drum continuously and he didn't apologise for it. In so many words, you deserve to die. You deserve to die. I'm proud of it. I'm proud of it. You should die. I mean, I know Speaker's Corner is the place of free speech, But surely there's got to be some kind of line in the sand where wishing somebody was dead for changing faith and promoting that as a law is kind of crossing the legal line. And should someone like that Muslim speaker who I'm talking about be put on the terror watch list or even sent to jail? What are your thoughts on that? I'm sure you know the occasion I mean.

39:41I do. And I think everyone who's a regular at Speaker's Corner is going to be able to identify the two people. But the only one worthy of being named is Brother Ish, who is the convert from Islam, the Christian convert from Islam. But, yeah, I mean, firstly, let's just deal with your question directly. I don't think that the solution is to chuck them in prison or to put them on a terror watch list. I want a nation state that's brave enough and bold enough to go out of line and kick them out of the country. And I think that that actually needs to be the solution, that we have a state that has conviction enough about its own Christian values to go, you're not conducive to the public good.

40:29You've got to leave. And so I'd bring back a law of banishment. Yes, it means ripping up some international treaties, but I don't care about those international treaties. And banish people like the individual who we know what we're talking about. We don't want to give him oxygen. We're purposefully not giving him the airtime because he likes airtime. Exactly. But I think people like him need to be kicked out of the country. Agreed. Yeah. You know, I do think we're aching for a country that's able to stand up to the Islamist networks in it. And what we're seeing again and again and again, both by conservatives and Labour, is that there's no stomach for a fight.

41:10There's no ability to tackle the problem in any serious way because there's no liberal reason to. And this is the point that I worry about with everyone who's involved in this is that they think that there's a liberal solution to the problem. There's no liberal solutions. If we want to deal with this Islamist problem, we have to dump wholesale the ideology of liberalization and liberalism. And there is a replacement ideology. There's lots of replacement ideologies. You know, the ethno-nats are pushing their ethno-centric ideology. Well, I spit on that. I don't want anything to do with that. Obviously, the Islamists are pushing their own ideology to replace liberalism.

41:53But there is another ideology called Christian nationalism. And this is the idea that you're kind of seeing somewhat in Poland, you're kind of seeing it somewhat in Hungary, is the idea that a nation makes its own personal dedication to Christ and lets that ideology filter out through all of its institutions and through all of its policies. And a Christian way to deal with people like this is just to kick them out of the country. I'm going to say it again. As an atheist, I like the idea of that ideology, a Christian nationalist. Yeah. Yeah, nice. So I'd imagine with you being attracted to that ideology more than any others, we've had recent Christian walks, marches through Whitechapel banned.

42:43I think it was called A Walk for Jesus. Yeah. And the local council banned it because it was going to offend Muslims. What was your take on that? I have mixed feelings about it because I don't necessarily agree with the march. I don't necessarily agree with the march because I don't think it came from the right place. I think it was more about sticking two fingers up to the Muslim community in Tower Hamlets than it was about celebrating Christ and Jesus and the kingdom of God. And so for that reason, I disagreed with March. But I also disagree with the idea that the Muslim community gets a veto like that.

43:26But I'd also point out, this is not unheard of. It's not unprecedented. You know, the police have banned other things because communities get offended. Like, you know, the Orange Order marches sometimes have been banned in Northern Ireland because Republican communities won't get offended. Or, you know, there was that example of the police trying to deport someone. I think it was in Glasgow and a whole bunch of liberals and people surrounded the police car and then they let them go. Or another example, when someone was getting deported on a plane and people caused chaos on the plane and then the deportee was let go so the plane could take off.

44:05So the issue is about policing more than the Muslim veto because there's other examples of the veto. What we've got is policing by the easiest route. And sorry, it was the Met Police that banned the walk, not the council. Yeah. So the fact that the Met Police basically said things are going to kick off is an admission by the Met Police that the Muslim community will use violence or elements of the Muslim community will use violence and that they can't guarantee to have a control of that. And so what we're going to do is we're going to deprive other people of their liberties. Now, I didn't agree with the UKIP march because I think that they are genuinely just using Christianity as a vehicle of recruitment to UKIP.

44:57I'm not denying Nick's genuine faith, but I think his faith and his politics are so mixed up together that the two things just go hand in hand for him. and I don't agree with weaponizing a procession, a Christian procession, which should be about celebrating the Christ as a way of just pissing off anyone. But at the same time, I want to live in a society where just because you're pissed off doesn't mean that you get to threaten the state with force and then the state go, oh, well, we can't let that march go ahead. He should have been allowed to do the march and they should have been allowed to protest against it.

45:43And I would have said that the march was unwise and pointless and a bit misdirected, you know. But the state shouldn't have allowed itself to be intimidated. And that is what we see increasingly is the state allowing itself to be intimidated. It comes down heavy on people in the political right, you know. And I've had three people inside the Met, two serving police officers and a civilian worker, who've all told me independently that two-tier policing is happening. Oh, blimey. Yeah, they've told me that. Welcome to the party. Yeah, exactly. And I'm sure I'm not the only one that knows this. But it is happening.

46:21And it's happening because the state is led by cowards who fear a confrontation and are unprincipled. What does that tell you about the UK? like where we're actually at at the moment? It tells me that balkanisation works for the people that balkanise. You know, the Muslim community have consolidated geographically, not for any sort of conspiratorial reasons. It's just that they have a requirement to be near the mosques, and so that's why they tend to consolidate. And also because lots of Muslims all come from the same, lots of Muslims in the UK are from Pakistan, a certain region of Pakistan, and so they come together for familial reasons as well.

47:05But it tells me that the rest of us need to start balkanising, because what works for the goose can also work for the gander. But it also tells me that the British elites understand that there's a problem, but they don't know what to do about it. And I think that's where we're at. We've got the elite class, or there'll be elements within the elite class that understand that there's an issue. It's not for nothing that the Met said, like, we're banning you because they're frightened of a riot. So they understand the situation, but they don't know how to handle it. And because the elites of this country are cowardly, are incredibly cowardly.

47:51They're brave when they're bullying an individual, but when it's a network of people, they're not so able. But, and because they're cowardly, for them, the only thing that matters is that they continue to live their life of comfort. And they continue to live in a life unperturbed by, you know, hassle on the street. And so to maintain their own comforts, what they do is they suppress liberties and they take away liberties of the people to acquiesce to the biggest bully in the room. And so they literally do what the bully wants because they hope maybe to placate the bully or maybe at some point in the future the bully won't bully them.

48:41You know, and I think it's a very bad situation that we're in in the UK. Going back to division and hate, undeniable there's a lot of hate in the air. Where do you think the most amount of hate is being aimed towards? The Muslim community, the Christians or the Jews at the moment? Statistically, it's the Christian community. So Rupert Lowe did a study recently where he showed that there's been eight crimes against a church every day. I'm not sure of the time frame, but another study done by the Countryside Alliance showed that there was over 9 ,000 crimes in a two-year period against Christian churches, of which over 1 ,000 of them were acts of violence.

49:31There's been murder attempts of Christians at Speaker's Corner, Hatton Tash, Dr. David Bander, Hatton Tash again, along with myself and any other Christian that John Little could have shot up at the time. There are Christian churches being attacked in East London. We've got that phenomena that started to arrive now in the UK of churches that have been there for centuries suddenly catching fire, just like you've got in France. You know, when there's over a thousand violent attacks against churches and it doesn't make the news and no one's talking about it, then that kind of tells you that there's problems both inside the Christian community, because we're not talking about it, but there's also problems within the state.

50:15It's got a blind spot. It's got a blind spot partly because Christians aren't talking about it. But, you know, obviously the attacks on those ambulances in Golders Green was horrendous. But the number of attacks against Christian churches dwarfs the number of attacks against any other group. And yet when a porch was set on fire by, it turned out, I think it, correct me if I'm wrong, it turned out by another Muslim from another sect set their mosque door on fire. Keir Starmer went there for what, like half a day? Over a thousand churches have received violent attacks in this country. No one talks about it.

50:57Same with Palestine. How much effort has Keir Starmer put into talking about Palestine and what Israel's doing in Palestine? And yet, how much effort has he talked about talking about the occupation of northern Cyprus or the genocide of Christians in Nigeria or the ethnic cleansing of Christians in Azerbaijan, Artsakh. You know, so there's really a blind spot amongst the British elites to anti-Christian, Christophobic hatred. That isn't to deny, by the way, that there are Islamophobic attacks, that there is Islamophobia in the sense of hating Muslims for being Muslim, that there are anti-Semitic attacks, you know, and that people that hate Jews just for being Jews, you know, So those are realities as well.

51:48But obviously you ask which one's the bigger one, and it's clearly statistically anti-Christian hatred. And do you think, or do Christians feel on a whole like they've been abandoned by the political right? No. I mean, the problem with Christians, the Christian church at the moment, is that because of the Enlightenment, we have not thought about politics for 200 years. And we don't think of ourselves as having a political agenda, as having a political identity. And so there are Christians spread across the entire political spectrum. So, for instance, there's thousands of Christians involved in the patriotic movement.

52:28There's Christian leaders involved in the patriotic movement. But when Zach Polanski organized his anti-racist march, because apparently all those black, Asian and white and every other kind of ethnicity that went on the Unite the Kingdom march, apparently we're all racists against one another somehow. Not quite sure how, but yeah, we are. So when Zach Polanski organized his anti-racist march, which was dwarfed, it was like, you know, like super exaggerated figures, maybe 50 ,000 people turned up. 20 Christian institutions, organizations went on that march. And it's like those organizations are accusing people like Tommy of hijacking Christian symbolism to further his ends.

53:20But they are using Christian symbolism and allowing it to be hijacked by the likes of the Green Party, which is riddled through with anti-Semitism, right, to its core, and supports unchristian beliefs like, you know, abortion and open borders, which is an alt-left extremist viewpoint. but abortion up to birth, euthanasia, the legalization of drugs, and they're prostituting Christianity. So Christians don't feel abandoned because Christians don't have a collective, cohesive political identity because the problem in the Christian churches is that without a cohesive Christian political agenda, there's that danger that we drift off either to the left or to the right, and neither of those extremes are Christian.

54:18So on the left, the drift is into progressivism, and you see that in the Methodist Church, the Church of England, which is the Great Hall of England, you know, the Baptist Church and all of that, they go into progressive politics. But then on the right, you look at the Orthodox churches and the Latin right Catholic churches, there's a drop there into the extreme right. And both of those drifts are wrong. And the answer to both is to rediscover a Christian political narrative like Christian nationalism. Now, on the political right, and I'm landing, is you've got now all of these different political parties recognizing the importance of the Christian heritage.

55:00You know, Restore Britain's doing it, Advance UK's doing it, UKIP's doing it, even the Conservative Party's tinkering at it. You know, I feel like I've missed a political party. The Christian People's Alliance is out there talking about it. So Christians have now got options. But what I want is I don't want tokenism. So I saw a tweet by Rupert Lowe, and the tweet was, we're going to defend our Christian heritage. And it just came out with a list of things that he's going to ban connected to Islam, most of which, if not all, I applaud. Right, brilliant. But that is not upholding the Christian heritage of the nation.

55:36That's saying we're going to uphold the Christian heritage of the nation. And what that looks like is just banning Islam, and that's not the same thing, or banning aspects of Islam, and that's not the same thing. I don't want tokenism about church buildings, about whether you're going to have VAT on church roofs or not. What I want is real Christian policies based on real Christian values. Real value shows up in reliability you don't have to second guess, like a set of Firestone all-season tires. They're designed to deliver confidence-inspiring wet weather traction and a quieter ride, no matter the road, season after season.

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56:53This show gives me a reason to laugh. How about a religious war? Could you see a religious war pending or happening? And if it did ever happen, what would it look like? The evidence is that all the ingredients of a civil war here in the UK, and you've got a specialist and specialists from around Europe sounding the alarm. I know, you know, from contacts that in America, they're looking at what happens if there's a civil war in the UK and who do we back and who do we side with. There's like groups advising the White House talking about that. So it is definitely one of the possible futures. I don't think it – and I don't think it will be a civil war in the sense of a Yugoslavian civil war if it happens.

57:39I'm not saying it will. If it happens, I don't think it will be a Yugoslavian-style civil war. I think it will essentially be increased Balkanized communities and civil strife. You know, with – and either the state will or will not get a grip on it. And if it doesn't, then it could turn into a full-blown civil war. I don't think it will start off as religious, at least not from – but I think it will become religious quickly, particularly if one of the groups is a Muslim group versus some other group. And I think that the response of that will be increased religiosity on the other side. So if there is a civil war, I think it will be multifactional.

58:26I don't think it will be just two groups. I think there will be two or three or maybe even four groups. And certainly there will be a religious overtone to some of those groups involved in that conflict if it happens. But it is very worrying. It is. And, you know, I'm bemused and baffled at how the elites are not taking it more seriously. They're not taking it serious at all. The way that the elites think to deal with it is they just keep stamping on the reaction. They keep trying to stamp on the response, which in a way maybe tells you who they really fear. If wider society was to organise in a way that pointed towards militarism, then that wider society would be bigger than the state.

59:19And is liberalism still your number one bugbear in the UK? When you say bugbear, like... What really, really gets your goat about the country at the moment? What are you so disappointed about you can barely believe your eyes and ears? It might surprise you, but it's actually the sheer waste in tax. We're taxed to the absolute hilt. Nothing works. You can't get any help from the police when you need it. You can't get to a GP when you want one. You're paying all this tax. You're seeing money getting squandered sent off to France to pay for it to stop illegal boats, but then the illegal boats come over anyway.

1:00:01you know it's just the sheer waste of of public money um that is going on and yet all the response of the elites is just to keep raising the tax bill you know um and we're not getting anything we're paying more and we're not getting anything back and the problem is you know we talked about britain's got the ingredients of a civil war it certainly has all the ingredients of a civil war The thing that's likely to spark it, if God forbid there is one, is economic collapse. You can't have a society that is balkanized, divided, culturally separated, religiously separated, economically struggling and socially dissatisfied with the institutions.

1:00:51And yet that is the direction of travel. you know and that just increases the heat right but but my biggest bugbear you know if the thing that i wake you know that like i've got lots of things i'm talking just as a person yeah just just is just the sheer waste of public money that then leads to increased taxes and you just know it's getting flushed down the toilet and it is making everybody angry this is why i can sort of smell a civil religious i can smell something in this i can smell civil unrest in the air because wherever I go, people are angry. Even the people that would never have said anything two years ago, they're speaking out loud in changing rooms, in restaurants, in cafeterias.

1:01:33The vibe has changed and it's not a positive energy out there. There's anger in the air. There is. And the thing is, in terms of that anger, it's like the elites have an opportunity to fix it, but they've got to fix the real problems. But the point is, we're living in a society because of short-termism, because of the five-year cycle, election cycle. Previous governments from 20 years ago, from 30 years ago, have kicked systemic problems into the next election cycle. And then they've been kicked again into the next election cycle because to solve them is so painful to the liberal elites that it was easier just to make someone else deal with it.

1:02:16But now we've run out of field. We can't kick the balls down the field much further. And we can all tell that we've got to deal with the systemic problems in the country. And the systemic problems are your imports versus your exports, the tumorous way that the NHS and the welfare system work on the body politic and absorb so much resources, the declining military, uncontrolled immigration, and a lack of integration, which is a really massive one. which is, you know, and the breakdown of the family, also fundamental to all the problems that we're facing, is the breakdown of the family, you know.

1:02:58And there's probably some others besides those six, you know, those are just off the top of my head. You know, and the fact that the economy is not functioning, you know, because every state employee is just reusing recycled money from us who actually create money and generate economy. And you've basically got to get a whole bunch of civil servants and public servants into the private sphere to create industry and to create work. I'll tell you what's strange. And it's only just I've just thought about it. Whilst you're speaking, I'm thinking to myself, I miss my own country. I miss England. And chivalry, British values, are they gone forever?

1:03:42Or are they restorable? Well, I mean, it's interesting because the critics call people putting up the flag, flag shaggers, right? And the people putting up the flags are doing it as a way of saying, you know, we're proud of who we are. But I know they're putting up the British flag, which is the Trinitarian flag, the cross of the three saints. But the St. George flag became the English flag because it was attached to the chivalric order of the Garter. So chivalry is part and parcel of the reason why we have the English flag today. It's connected to chivalry. And this code of chivalry is a Christian warrior code.

1:04:25It's not about being polite to ladies. It's a Christian warrior code that gives warriors who are Christians a code of ethics. Like you don't bully the weak. You look after women and children. You look after the orphans. You look after the elderly. You don't desecrate churches. You protect the weak and you fight for just causes alone, not for self-aggrandizement. I hope Nigel's listening. Like, you know, chivalry is at the heart of what it is to be an Englishman. You know, that is the encapsulate, because, you know, the English people have always been a warrior people. You know, just look at our history.

1:05:07We were born fighting Danelaw to fight, you know, and that's our first patron saint was St. Edmund the Martyr, who was slaughtered by Danish pagans. So to recover English values is to recover Christian values and to recover particularly chivalric values. And I think that they can be recovered, but it's about the people in this country deciding, okay, the national curriculum won't teach me about my own history. I'm going to learn it. The national curriculum won't teach me about my own culture. I'm going to learn it. We need to create societies, groups, you know, across the patriotic movement, across the UK, that decide we're going to get together and we are going to reteach ourselves our Christian heritage, our Christian culture, and our Christian traditions.

1:06:03And a big part of that is the code of chivalry, you know. And that's absolutely needed. In the past, the code of chivalry was created in France. So it's a French code. But the point about being a Christian is that you're not xenophobic, so you can learn and take from other cultures. And at the time anyway, you know, England and France were pretty much the same place. Half of France belonged to England at one point. But that code was designed to take brutal men and to make them into gentle warriors. We need that code again to take gentle men and to turn them into gentle warriors. You know, and so I fully encourage people to learn about chivalry and to recover it.

1:06:56C.S. Lewis wrote a brilliant essay on it. I've started a society called The Order and central to The Order is the idea of teaching chivalry. Where can people find that? They can find it on my website. Which is?

1:07:11soldierofchrist.online we'll put that in the description anyway yeah and the idea is that it's about learning fitness through martial arts but central to our understanding of martial arts is the idea of chivalry just because you're strong doesn't mean you bully the weak and that's what Jesus said be meek being meek is not about being a doormat it's about not using your own strength to your selfish opportunity you know but controlling your passions and being in control of your passions and that's what it is to be a christian warrior it's a christian knight is to be in control of your own passions and not to bully or oppress others just because you're stronger than them and we spoke about the saints at the start yeah what do the saints mean to you and and why are they so important to england yeah so i'll start with why they're important to england and then i'll go why they're important to me.

1:08:05So the saints of England and the saints of the Christian church do two things. Firstly, they connect us to our own past. And who are the saints for people that don't know? So the two patron saints who were the biggest contenders before St. George became our patron saint, because it was Edward III that made St. George the patron saint of England. He's the one that gave us the English flag, or rather the cross of St. George, which became associated with St. George because of the Crusades. But before that, there were other patron saints like Saint Edmund the Martyr, who was martyred in the English War for England or to create England, but during the Danish invasion, the great heathen army, you know.

1:08:53And he was martyred. He refused to confess. He refused to deny Christ. He refused to pay tribute to the Viking pagans. And he refused to share rule with them. It's like, no, I'm not sharing. He wouldn't become unevenly yoked with them. They shot him through with arrows for it. Another great saint who became a near patron saint of England was Edward the Confessor, who started rebuilding Westminster Abbey, which is the the royal peculiar that's at the heart of English spirituality. He was a holy man, you know, had an unsuccessful marriage, but didn't divorce his wife. They lived as spiritual brothers and sisters.

1:09:37But he got rid of taxes to lighten the tax load. He pursued justice throughout the realm. He cared for the poor, used to feed hundreds in his own court, the poor people. he became and he suffered a lot to pursue holiness and that's why he's called Edward the Confessor. So these people connect us to our past. So for instance, the stone that was wore by Edward the Confessor, his sapphire stone, is in the state crown that the queen wears or the king will now wear. And it's a blue sapphire stone at the very top of the Malta cross. And that is a relic of the saint. So they connect us to our past. They connect us to our Christian tradition.

1:10:22They embody the best of the Christian tradition. But they also unite us to others, which is why it's not being Christian and patriotic or being patriotic in a Christian way is not xenophobic. because the great saint of England was an Armenian from Cappadocia, St. George. The person that proclamated the cult of St. Edward the Confessor was Henry II, who was a Norman. So he'd come from Normandy. He was a descendant of William the Conqueror. And yet he popularized an Anglo-Saxon saint. Yeah, St. Patrick, who converted the Irish, was probably a Saxon. St. Andrew is a saint from Israel. He's one of the original apostles, one of the original followers of Jesus.

1:11:21So the thing is, being patriotic in a Christian way does not isolate you from the rest of the world, but it unites you to a much larger Christian world. And that's what's really important in this struggle, is that by celebrating the saints, we connect ourselves to our own past, but we also connect ourselves to a wider world. And that's why they're important. They're things to rally around. And they're also, and this connects why they're important to me, they're also embodiments of Christian virtue, Christian courage, Christian faith. They're embodiments, examples of people to look up to and people to emulate.

1:12:05I hope if ever I'm persecuted for my faith that I have the courage of St. George. You know, I hope that I can have the holiness of St. Edward the Confessor. I hope that I can have the resolve of St. Edmund the Martyr. You know, they shaped our economy. They shaped our culture. I want to encourage people, if you've never gone on a pilgrimage, go on a pilgrimage. Go to St. Edmund's Bury on pilgrimage. Go to St. Albans' tomb on pilgrimage. Go to Westminster Abbey on pilgrimage to St. Edward the Confessor's tomb. But I also just want to put out there a brief protest, if I may, co-opt your. The way that Church of England treats pilgrims is disgraceful.

1:12:55You know, I went on pilgrimage to St. Albans, walked 20 miles, started at 6.30 in the morning, got there about 4.30, 5.30 in the evening. The cathedral didn't even give us a cup of tea, right, which is not in the Christian tradition. But what they did do is they... You wouldn't find that in a mosque. Yeah, you would. But the thing is, they didn't even give us a cup of tea. But what they did do is they say you could give them 20 quid so they could stamp a little book for you. And I think that there needs to be a push in the Church of England to respect pilgrims. If we want people to engage with our Christian tradition and start going on pilgrimage again to the pilgrimage sites of England, then what we need to do is have a church that is fit and proper to receive the pilgrims and to treat them with the proper hospitality that they should.

1:13:48because that is part of our culture. It's part of our tradition, these great pilgrimage sites, you know. So, yeah, that's why they're important to me. That's why they're important to England. To end this, I want you to give a St. George's message to everyone that's watching and listening. But I just cannot miss this opportunity to ask you a question because you mentioned the king. And I'll be as polite as I can because you're a man of God. When you look at King Charles, do you think what a strong man he is? Do you think I'm proud of that man? Or do you think what a complete wanker? I'm probably in the middle of those two extremes.

1:14:30I don't think he's a complete wanker. I think that he is exactly what he looks like. He is a liberal Christian monarch who is powerless to an establishment and an elite that actually set the agenda. And he knows that the family that he belongs to sits in comfort and prestige only because the elites of this country allow them to do so. And so he's keeping the family firm going by doing exactly what the elites want him to. Real value shows up in reliability you don't have to second guess. Like a set of Firestone all-season tires. They're designed to deliver confidence-inspiring wet weather traction and a quieter ride, no matter the road, season after season.

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1:16:00This show gives me a reason to live. But I think as a Christian, he is, because he was raised, you know, taught in the traditions of the Church of England. I don't think he's well formed in the Christian faith. And I actually think we need to change the constitutional arrangement of this country. He's supposed to be the defender of it, isn't he? Well, he can't. Like, there's no... He's not. Well, he can't. Constitutionally, he's powerless. He's a toothless tiger. You know, all that he can do is influence people through friendships, maybe. Put a suggestion out here and there. That's it. That's all he can do.

1:16:37But I actually want there to be a change to the constitution. I either want the monarch to be separated from the church and for him not to make the vow to defend the faith, because it is a really serious thing to make a vow before God and then not act upon it and then not follow it. And no monarch has and can. And so actually it's hypocritical and it mocks God to make the monarch take a vow to God that he can't keep. So we either need to get rid of that part of the constitutional arrangement or, and this is my preference, we actually give him a power of veto. That we give the monarch a power of veto according to his Christian conscience so long as it's not an explicit promise in a manifesto.

1:17:27because a lot of times governments pass things that are not in their manifestos, like the abortion bill that they're trying to pass or the euthanasia bill that they've tried to pass or I'm not sure about if getting rid of juries was in or out of the Labour manifesto. But lots of governments, they pass things that... I can almost guarantee it wouldn't have been. Yeah. Well, a lot of governments do that kind of stuff. And I think that I would want the monarch to have the power to veto things according to his conscience, which as a Christian monarch should be a Christian conscience, so long as they're not an explicit manifesto pledge, which is the balance between his promise to God being one that he can fulfil and the democratic mandate of a government.

1:18:12I think he's a wanker. Anyway, final question, or really a request. Something to give people of Great Britain a little bit of hope. In fact, England, it's St George's Day. That's what we're celebrating. what would your final message be to England on St George's Day? My message to the whole of England on St George's Day is this. St George is loved by the English, but not just by the English. There are Nigerians that can fly the St George's flag. There are Palestinians, there are Georgians, there are Armenians, there are Coptic Christians from Egypt, there are Pakistani Christians that can all fly the flag of St George because as Christians, that saint belongs to us all.

1:18:58And that we should celebrate the life of St. George and what he stands for, this idea of courage and faith going together. And that's something that everyone who is a Christian can do together. But there's an expansive world that's only a door in. There's an expansive world that lie behind it that can introduce us to all the saints of England, that are interwoven with the very writing of the history of England, like St. Bede. And we should celebrate the great saints of this country, and you can do that even if you're a Christian not born in this country, because all saints belong to all the church, all the time.

1:19:50and let's come behind that Christian heritage and celebrate it together. So go on pilgrimages. Go and have parties in honor of the saints. Go and have a meal in the honor of the saints. And remember that the saints that we celebrate are calling us to be better saints ourselves. Every Christian is a saint already by the work of Christ, but we are called to be the kind of saint that all the other saints celebrate, which is what happens when we celebrate St. George. And let's get into that flow, that stream of history, and let's own it for ourselves. Let's own it together, and let's use it as the basis by which we reclaim this country again.

1:20:41Not with a hatred of someone else, but with a love for who we are. for those that have enjoyed this interview please like and subscribe to the channel and for those that crop the end bit where Bob said that other ethnicities can celebrate St George's Day when you crop that to lambast him on the ethnic side can you please credit the channel and the full interview so they get to see the whole thing and get the context I'll put all of Bob's links in the description like and subscribe I hope you enjoy it there'll be another thumbnail here for you to click watch and enjoy let's just keep this rolling and Bob what a joy happy St George's Day happy St George's Day thank you sir thank you

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