We Are Not Terrorists | Sentenced to 22 Years in Prison For Storming of The Capitol: Enrique Tarrio

30:15But in December, it's hard to calculate how many Proud Boys are going to come. I could always estimate. I estimated that there was going to be just a little over 700 based on how many guys were saying that they were coming. Because, again, we're not like a militia. We're not structured in like a way, well, how many guys are going to come or whatever. It's like, hey, guys, just show up. I wake up every day. When we're at a rally, I wake up at 430. I knock on the guys' doors. You know, at least like our core group of guys, I knock on their doors, wake them up. I bring them breakfast, and, like, we're out the door by, like, 5 a.m.

30:56That day we did that, and we were supposed to meet at a bar at 9 a.m. We went with a small team to go to the staging location, and when I turned the corner, you know, all the guys around me like, wow, this is crazy. There's, like, 2 ,000 Proud Boys and another 3 ,000 Trump supporters, like waiting for us to like march i panicked i can't too much to manage it's too much to manage and we're not built to manage that so i kind of was like i kind of had a panic attack but everything went by smoothly during the day but the problems came at night we had a lot of new guys that didn't have time to assimilate to the club i you know usually people like talk like they're all my My organization's perfect.

31:47You know, we did everything perfect. That day we didn't. Up until that day, I prided myself with every event that I put together or every event that I attended with the guys. My guys were never hurt. My guys were never in chains. You know, they were never handcuffed. And that day I failed. I didn't estimate, you know, how many new guys came in. And I saw a level of aggression from my guys that I didn't like. And it was always, always when I saw something, I'd ask, who's this in the video? Who's this? They're like, oh, no, that's the guy that joined in two weeks ago. Okay, that guy shouldn't have been allowed to show up to this event, right?

32:35And I saw a level of aggression from the guys that I had never seen before. Now, there was two separate incidents that night that changed the course of the Proud Boys forever.

32:51I burned a Black Lives Matter banner, right? Not because it's a race thing. It's because of the ideology behind the Black Lives Matter movement that I hate. Marxists that were driving it. I was going to use the word Marxist. They're a Marxist organization disguised like they're dressing that pig. They put the lipstick on the pig. They're like, they got like a social issue that has nothing to do with them, the Marxists. And they're like, and they included race in it to have like some emotional pull. Oh, well, you don't like Black Lives Matter? You must be racist. No, I don't give a fuck if you're black.

33:31And I don't want to see black people shot in the streets by cops. I don't want to see anybody shot in the streets by cops. But if you want to focus on a single race, that is your right to do. But that's not what they're doing. That's not what they're preaching. It's straight Marxism. It's straight socialism. And it's straight communism. I didn't like the thought. Sorry, but I didn't like the thought of my black pals that I've grown up with being played like that. When I saw it, because if you go on their landing page on their website, they talk about destroying the nuclear family and defunding the police and, you know, shifting state control.

34:05Words to that effect. And I thought, shit, man, you know, this is going to create a massive racial divide. And I don't want my friends that I've grown up with who are black to be played by these Marxist maniacs. I just want to put that in there because people still think it was about black lives. Yeah. I'm a minority, right? And the left thought that they had, they use them as pet mouthpieces, right? It's kind of like, you know, when you say, oh, well, I'm not racist. I got a black neighbor. That's what they've been doing. They put them on leashes and they parade them around. Then they put them right back in their cages when they're done because they don't give a fuck about the minorities.

34:44They don't really care. Obama didn't do shit for the black community. Clinton didn't do shit for the black community. You know who did do shit for the black community? Trump did. And it wasn't for the black community. It was for Americans. And it just so happens that it helps the black community. So I burned that banner not out of hate. I burned that banner out of love. I burned that banner out of love for my country. Shortly after, four of my guys get stabbed. Three of them critically. They were in the hospital. They were in the ICU. They hardly recovered. One of them, his name was Jeremy Bertino.

35:26And we'll get to Jeremy later on when we talk about trial. And there's this really cool picture of me that night. Because another thing, some of these photographers are so talented. And I love it. We go there and they take good pictures of me. You know, like that's – and good pictures of guys. And I use it. You know, I love that. I want to see our guys in action. And there's this really cool picture where I'm like I'm taking a knee. It's at night. It's in the streets of D.C. It has like this orange lighting. It's hung up on the wall of my studio. But it's hung up on the wall of my studio for another reason.

36:03It's not because it looks cool. There's something dark about it because as you see it, that wasn't what I felt like at the time. I took a knee because I had a panic attack. Because one of my closest guys plus three other brothers of mine just got stabbed and they're in the hospital. And I don't know if they're going to live. So I had a panic attack. And it dropped me to my knees. so I wasn't happy with the results of that day the next day the FBI Washington field office put pictures of it was six pictures of individuals that were dressed in black and yellow and they said that they're looking they're investigating the burning of the Black Lives Matter banner as a hate crime and I go I'm going to take credit for it.

37:01I'm going to say that I burned it. You know, because these six guys didn't come near the banner. So I already saw where they were going with it. They just wanted to arrest white Proud Boys. So I'm like, no, I'm going to give you a fucking black one. I burned it. I did it. Come get me.

37:23I was still in D.C. at the time. I stayed another four days. The guys ended up recovering. Um, this, this isn't a secret, but every time we go to a city, I coordinate with local law enforcement. I don't want to see anybody hurt. Those, those 5 ,000 people that I was marching around, there was Antifa there. I could have marched them. The biggest crowd of Antifa and BLM that was there that day was maybe 200 people. What kind of responsible person would I be if I marched 5 ,000 people right into a group of 200? I was trying to keep them away from Antifa that day. We just stayed in the proximity of Trump supporters.

38:07And if they came in, they got fucked up. But I wasn't going to go look for them. We don't start fights. We finish them.

38:17So I decided to do something different. I needed to be able to control who comes to these events. I needed to be able to control, tone down the aggression. I saw a lot of aggression that day I didn't like from the guys. Again, it was from the new guys, but I still needed some type of—so we created this chapter called The Ministry of Self-Defense. To say it in the most simple way, it was rally-approved Proud Boys. You know, people that go with us—and it's usually the same people because it's the same people that could—like are entrepreneurs and could afford to travel and can be able to move around at a moment's notice.

38:52And it's usually people that have been calm and have been operating with us for so many years and we know that like they're not going to do something stupid so i shrunk going into january 6th i shrunk the amount of proud boys that were going to go to 32 okay so 32 members of the proud boys showed up uh in dc that day they there's there was another like 15 20 members that went as individuals and did not like they they well they weren't supposed to mesh with uh this ministry of self-defense this uh group um because they went as like they went by themselves or they went with their families or whatever but there was 32 proud boys um that were coming to dc that day that you'd organized that i had organized um and then we discouraged the rest of the proud boys from not coming.

39:46We're saying, don't fucking come. If you're not part of this chapter, just don't show up. If you're going to go show up with your family, we can't tell you what to do, which is actually a very important point about the Proud Boys that I miss telling you. I was the chairman of the Proud Boys, but I didn't have executive powers over the guys. I can't tell them this is where you got to go or kick that guy out. You know, each individual chapter deals with their own shit. My only job as the chairman was to be the spokesperson. And if there was ever a need, which there wasn't in the four years that I was chairman, a tie-breaking vote, I'd be the tie-breaking vote.

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41:32going into january 6 i mean we'll start with now with actual the events of january 6

41:42they called it an insurrection and they said that the proud boys led not only led the charge but its leadership engineered this to happen they were the ones i was the the person that created the blueprint, the architect of the siege on the United States Capitol, the People's House, if I wanted to overthrow the government, if I wanted to overthrow the government and I wanted to siege the Capitol, why did I shrink our force from 2 ,000 guys to 32? too wouldn't it make more sense if i brought the 2 000 guys to to storm the capital and another thing it's it it's a shit idea if that's somebody's if somebody did plan it it was a shit idea you know that's what are you going to do you're going to take the building it's it's it's 2021 these representatives could just fucking get on zoom within an hour and vote to certify the results to the election.

42:52You know, taking the building doesn't mean the same thing it did at some time. I will tell you this, Liam. If I wanted to storm the Capitol, if I wanted to siege D.C., to lay D.C. in siege and take over buildings, I could have done it. If I would have planned it, it would have been successful. The fact is they created this supervillain that just doesn't exist. They created these boogeymen that all that we went to go do that day was support our president. And I had to go speak on four different stages that day too. The schedule wouldn't have allowed me to storm the Capitol because I would have been on the opposite side of the city.

43:43you know imagine being on the the storming uh you the storming of the capital building in parliament i guess here and like you know i'm speaking by gatwick airport that's that's how much it makes sense um if i'm speaking over there how the fuck am i like overthrowing the government so you couldn't personally be placed at the scene that's one yeah bit of your defense it well it's part of my defense, but I really wasn't. So I was charged. We'll get into the trial in a second, but I got wind of, um, that I was going to get arrested for burning the black lives matter banner. So what I did is I bought a ticket two days before the event on January 4th.

44:27My intentions were to go to the police station and be like, turn myself in, you know, because I knew also that I'd be a DC's at Nobel state. So I would have been released January 5th in the morning i was supposed to speak on a stage with roger stone on january 5th in the evening and i would have gone with the guys to um the ellipse to listen to the president speak

44:51um it kind of didn't work out that way my plan didn't my plan didn't work exactly as planned but it kind of it actually kind of it was the same effect when i got into dc they came up and that's a misdemeanor, a low crime. When I got off the plane and I was in my Uber, they came in with an entire SWAT team, shut down an entire highway, guns drawn to come arrest somebody for a misdemeanor, something that's never been seen in the District of Columbia. They arrested me. I got to see a judge the next morning. And this is where I got the hiccup in my plan. The judge said that there's Black Lives Matter banners all over the city, and they were in danger of me burning them.

45:43Well, lady, I wasn't charged with stealing it. I was charged with burning it. Fair point. Fine. I probably would have done it again anyways if I saw a Black Lives Matter banner on the floor. So at first I was angry, but then I was like, you know what, I've been traveling for two months. let the guys go out i'm just gonna chill at the hotel she she oh basically what she did is she told me that i couldn't be in the city so i left you know and i left calm because there's there's nothing nefarious happening we're like okay well the guys are gonna have fun i'm gonna hang out in the hotel room whatever well the next day i was hanging out in the hotel room sitting there i'm flipping through channels.

46:29I'm in a robe. I'm eating pizza. I got a glass of wine. And suddenly, I guess I caught it late because when I caught it, they had already stormed and they were in the inside of the building. And the first images I saw were people inside the building. And I'm like, oh, man, that's creative. They went on a Capitol tour and they went ape shit crazy. I didn't know that they broke into the Capitol. That's creative. Yeah. I was like, well, that's a creative way to protest because it was already inside. And the images weren't violent. The ones that I was seeing at the time. I'm not saying that there wasn't violence at the Capitol.

47:06One thing I don't agree with is I don't agree with the left's assessment of the Capitol. And I don't agree with someone on the right saying, well, it was just a Capitol tour. There was very isolated incidents of violence. And I don't condone it. I'm not going to condemn it because I'm nobody to condemn shit. Right. I don't like what I saw. I think if if you trespass, they should hit you with a trespassing charge. If you put your hands on a police officer, you should be charged with that. If you assaulted a police officer, you should be charged with that, too. I said it that day. One thing I did do is I didn't want to ask the guy because there was no communication.

47:49They had taken my phone. Regardless, if you were in D.C. that day, your phone really didn't work. because there's so many people clustered into one area that there's no cell phone reception. I tried to call. I tried to call from the hotel phone. I didn't want to ask the guys if they went inside the building. I was like, don't fucking tell me. When I had Ethan Nordean or Joe Biggs call me, Ethan, you've probably seen his video. He's got that sweet knockout punch where the guy's trying to hit him with a baton. Oh, and you see it in slow motion, and he really does a number on him. He did. It was perfect.

48:30If we can find that B-roll, we'll put it up. I have it. I have it. I'll give it over to you. But they call me at night because I haven't been able to get in communication. So when they left D.C., they called me. I didn't say hello. I'm like, hey, before anything, don't fucking tell me if you were at the Capitol or not. Just don't tell me anything. Just keep me fucking oblivious to anything that went on. Well, later on, the left started finding clips of the Capitol and started identifying people, and they identified Ethan and Joe, and Ethan and Joe were arrested. Joe actually turned himself in to the FBI, called the FBI, and be like, hey, I'm the guy in the picture.

49:15They finally get Joe, and they finally get Ethan, And they gave them bonds, you know, but then two months later, they went ahead and they revoked the bonds, not for some act that they did. They're like, oh, no, wait, these guys are too dangerous. Because at that point, they were already planning how they were going to get people for one of the worst charges that you could be accused of committing, which is the act of sedition. And for those that don't know, the sedition is an act to attempt to overthrow the government by use of force in a conspiracy. What's that one level down from terrorism? It is one level down.

49:58Actually, as a matter of fact, the reason why there's a seditious law for sedition is because they wanted—it was actually a political charge in the 1400s to kind of imprison your political foes, right? And then it's morphed, but then when the United States had their civil war, they brought back sedition to punish the South and stop them from running for office. That was the whole thing. It's part of an insurrection which stops you from running for office for the United States. They didn't want the rebels to be able to hold elected positions.

50:50so fast forward um they they picked me up and the way that they got me wasn't communications because i i just told you that i i didn't communicate with the guys not for a lack of wanting i wanted to see how they were i was seeing these images on tv weren't you encouraging it on x or something well the words that i said is don't stop, keep going, right, on Parler at the time, which is kind of like X. And we had a big following there. The problem with that is I was kind of like rooting for my team at that time. You know, these were Trump supporters that went in. And I'm watching the images. I didn't know the nature of how it occurred because they were just reporting that there was violence at the Capitol.

51:41But I was rooting for my team. And some people might find that distasteful. And some of those words, maybe I should have used other words. I don't apologize for them. But they weren't incitement, right? Because I knew there's evidence of this, and it was shown in my trial as one of my defenses. I had said, hey, we're not going to be able to use our phones, you know? So I knew that anybody that was there at the Capitol wasn't able to read this. Um, so it wasn't instructions for anybody and it wasn't in a private message to the guys either. You know, if it was like, I'm telling the guys, okay, keep going.

52:23Then that'd be a little bit worse because then I'm telling the guys to keep going. I'm giving instructions. I'm instructing people on the ground to do that. But when you put it on your social media, you're kind of just like shit posting at the time. I put up a whole bunch of memes. I did a whole bunch of, um, uh, pictures. There was like Lego figures with the capital. And I put that up. And you could find that distasteful. And I won't disagree with you. I'll post it anyways. But I won't disagree with you if you tell me that. But to tell me that I committed an act of sedition because I made like two parlor posts that day, not even communicating with my guys directly, is crazy.

53:06It's crazy. Like I said before, if you trespass or you put your hands on a cop, you should be arrested. But that's not what we saw moving forward. They weren't being arrested for simple assaults. They weren't being arrested for trespassing. They were giving 20-year felonies, max, 20-year max felony to these cases. Typically, on like an assault on a police officer charge, there's no bodily injury, the person gets anywhere from a year and a half to two and a half years. What we were seeing with these January 6th cases is people were getting fucking 10, 12 years for the same acts that in another circumstance would give you two and a half, one and a half years.

53:50I thought it was impossible for them to arrest me. And what ended up happening is that they lied to a grand jury. They showed him this document that there's nothing bad about the document. It's a document that shows it was sent to me. I never opened it. They knew I never opened it. It's kind of, it was like in, it was on Telegram. And you know, it kind of how WhatsApp works. It has the two checks. Yeah. If somebody read it. It ticks, yeah. Well, there wasn't two checks on it. So I didn't, I obviously didn't open it, transmit it, edit. I didn't do any of that. And the FBI actually on the stand told me that.

54:28They're like, well, we know you didn't open it. So they tricked the grand jury and they told the grand jury, They got my phone and they're like, to the grand jury, they're like, he had this document on his phone. And what was the document? The document was this, it was called 1776 Returns. And basically it's how to stage a sit-in, right? You know what a sit-in is? No. Sit-in is when you go, it's like civil disobedience. You walk into a building, you lock arms and you sit down. Right. And you wait till cops come and pick you up or whatever and you cause a scene. for that reason alone I should be I should be exonerated there's no fucking way in the world I'm going to get I would have been kicked out of the Proud Boys if I would have even suggested that these big dudes these huge dudes like lock arms and kumbaya and sit in a fucking building they would have told me you know what you're a fucking lunatic you're a fucking lunatic I'm not doing that that's stupid it's gay I'm not doing that.

55:33You know? Like, put us to do, like, security work with, like, the vest and all the cool shit. You're not making us sit down like a bunch of leftist nuts. So regardless, like, again, the document itself, if you read it through, and I encourage your audience to go ahead and read it, there's nothing nefarious about the document. But even if there was, I never opened it. We find out later after the trial that the CIA created that document. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm not a Q-Tard. The document was created in Langley, Virginia, the headquarters of the CIA as a war game for CIA agents. And a contractor for the CIA sent this to a friend of mine and said, send this to Enrique.

56:29again this is all backed by the actual text messages between both of them the guys named samu arms um but here's here's the fucked up part they show this to a grand jury they're like he had this on his phone they didn't they failed to tell them that i've never seen that document i never opened it i never distributed it so the grand jury in dc you know you know you know that The bar is very low. Decided to press charges of seditious conspiracy, and they did. They came. They kicked down my door at 5 in the morning. They had a CNN camera outside, and they turned my door into fucking toothpicks. Really?

57:13Yeah. And they came and got me. The judge didn't give me bail. He said that the fact that I can put a phone in my hands, that I had the power to overthrow the U.S. government from the comfort of my iPhone. Can you hear that? It's the calm, sugar-white, sandy beaches of St. Pete Clearwater. And if you listen closely, you'll hear the mmms coming from the epic restaurants, the cheers from sun-soaked music festivals, and the beat of our legendary nightlife scene. Before you hit play on your next song, text the group chat. It's time to plan a trip to St. Pete Clearwater. Learn more at visitspc.com.

57:57This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give chat gpt work access to your apps and files and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets slides and structured reports get started at chat gpt.com by selecting work mode available on plus and pro plans in your robe with your pizza and wine it sounds so cool again it sounds so fucking cool and i kind of want to be that guy that guy that that that super dastardly villain that like but i'm not i'm not like the reality is like i didn't plan to storm the capital i didn't plan to overthrow the government i was excited pre-january 6th beyond the issues on december 12th i was excited the right had finally had the power to put like boots on the ground and protests.

59:04And like, if, if Biden was going to be put in office, we could have put, you know, 200, 300 ,000 or 3 million, uh, patriots on the ground and protest those things, you know, peacefully. So I was super excited about it. And January 6th stopped that, you know, it kind of like took the batteries. It took the energy out of the movement, um, because nobody wanted to go out anymore after January 6th and watching it. Like My own guys were like, all right, we need to lay low for a little bit. You know, can do events. They did a lot of the drag queen story hour thing. But, yeah, they arrested me. No bail.

59:42No bail. I was too dangerous. I could get my hands on a phone and overthrow the U.S. government. In the U.K., they call that remand. What do they call that if they just put you straight in jail? Yeah, it's remanding somebody, but it's denied bail. Denied bail. It's like, I guess, the words that we use. Same diff. Okay. So what were your thoughts then, now that you've been denied bail? At first, it was a roller coaster of emotions. You know, sometimes I felt great. Sometimes I felt like we're going to fight it and we're going to win. Did you think I'll be out soon? This is madness. There were very few times that I thought that.

1:00:16Oh, so you thought you were done for. The fact that they just picked me up already told me that there's a bigger plan for them for me. The charges weren't incitement, right? Because you could charge me with incitement, right? And I'll say it's bullshit. But then, like, there's an argument to be made there. Well, you posted it on Parler. Okay. But I wasn't charged with incitement. I was charged with sedition, meaning I communicated with the guys to overthrow the U.S. government by force. And that never happened in our chat groups. There was zero evidence presented that we planned to stop the certification in the election.

1:00:57so i'm like you know what i'm innocent i fight this in court reality set in when i started thinking about the jury pool like well this is dc this is the bluest voting district the district that voted for donald trump the least in the entire country um lo and behold we start day one i was feeling good you know coming into court i got to wear a suit for the first time in years. Every cloud has a silver lining. Yeah. And, yeah, we lost that trial on day one. Really? The jury selection, we knew it. The jury, three members of, sitting members of the jury were asked this question. Do you know who Enrique Tarrio is?

1:01:40Yes. Do you have strong feelings about Enrique Tarrio? Yes. What are those strong feelings? Oh, he's a white supremacist. They did all the whole fucking media thing. White supremacist, Nazi, whatever. Can you, and this is where the kicker is, can you set aside those strong feelings and judge this case by the evidence alone, fair and impartial? What do you think those three people answered? No, they can't. They said, no, I cannot put those feelings away and judge it by the evidence alone. so the judge just brings him back the next day and rehabilitates him you know the judge is sitting on a fucking podium up here he's got the black robe and he asks him he's like are you sure you can't you know you seem very well qualified and they're like oh oh your honor uh yeah yeah so they change their answer the next day and they're like oh congratulations you're on the jury so we lost that on the in jury trial uh we lost that on the first day but this was I like being first in many categories.

1:02:53You know, I'm very competitive. It was the longest trial in D.C. history. It was the biggest case the Department of Justice, the United States Department of Justice, has ever undertaken, and the most evidence of any case in United States history. And we'll get to another record breaker in a little bit. So we lost. they obviously hated me. The prosecutors didn't need six months to present a case. They could have just been up there and been like, oh, the judge would have been like, all right, prosecutor, state your case. And they would have gone, your honor and members of the jury, these are the proud boys.

1:03:39I rest my case. That's all they had to do. These people hated us already. They would have been like, oh, guilty of all the charges, all of them, taking down satellites in space. If we would have been charged with that, guilty. Jaywalking, guilty. And did you get sentenced immediately or was there a delay before the sentencing? It was a delay. The government originally wanted 50 years. Just for you? Just for me. Then they wanted, then they put in their sentencing memorandum, 33. I guess they were feeling, you know, kind of gracious. And I guess the judge was feeling gracious too because he didn't give me 33.

1:04:16You know, thank you, judge. You gave me 22. Which by far is the highest sentence. But the guys were also sentenced, you know. They were sentenced respectively 18, 17, 15, and 10. None of the charges that we got had violence. We weren't accused of violence. That's the even crazier part. None of our charges had statutes where it was assault or anything like that. They were just sedition charges, which are bad, but they're not violent charges. They gave me, which is the craziest thing in the world, they give me a terrorism enhancement, right?

1:04:59Because one of the guys grabbed the fence and shook it, didn't break it, shook the fence. And that is considered, well, it's a terrorism enhancement. It's not terrorism, but it is a terrorism enhancement because, you know, what terrorism is, is it's a violent act for political gain. The shaking of the fence is a violent act. And stopping the certification of the election is the objective, the political objective. So all of us got like decade and over. I got multi-decade sentence. Like a huge abuse of power. Yeah, and I was obviously like anybody would be like, wow, 22. But I was kind of happy they gave me 22 years.

1:05:51Because I knew that was ammo on its own. If you were sitting home and you didn't like anything that happened at the Capitol that day, right? And you took a left-wing perspective at least on that. You're not politically active, but you saw that. But then you see the guy that wasn't there got 22 years. it kind of like brings you back and been like, wait, hold on. There's a problem here. So I knew that that would get a lot of people and bring them into the light and be like, okay, maybe what they're doing is ridiculous. And it did because after I got sentenced, it became like the story. You can get 22 years for not planning something and not being present on the scene of this crime.

1:06:43Did you not at any stage think, fuck, my life's now over? Yeah. And again, it's not binary. It's a roller coaster of emotions. Sometimes you feel great. Sometimes you feel like you're going to be there for the rest of your life because it is technically a life sentence. You know, I was 40, no, I was 39 at the time of my arrest. you know we were in bad prisons we weren't in like you know Camp Candyland they put us in the worst of the worst one of the last prisons I was in because I was moved 40 times so here's another thing 40 different jails 40 different prisons federal holdovers and jails over the course of technically out of those three years 18 months Do you think they wanted you to get attacked in there?

1:07:36Because if you're going in there painted as a white supremacist, you're going to have problems with gangs. Yes. I think that what they wanted to do, for one, they wanted to keep me in motion. It's called diesel therapy. They wanted to keep you in motion because you can't communicate and you can't get comfortable somewhere. You can't network. The problem with their thinking is that it kind of fired back, right? We were kind of treated as heroes by the inmate population in prison Because if you really start thinking about it, like most of those people feel whether – and some of them are – most of them are guilty.

1:08:12And they know it. But they feel like they got screwed over by the federal government one way or another. So – but what was I accused of, right, is like taking the fight to the federal government, which again wasn't true but it kind of benefited in that case. They're like, oh, you're the guy that fucking, that fucked up those people that put me in here. You know? No, you come, you roll with us, dog. You're cool. You had no problems. We had no problems. We had no problems whatsoever. There was no issues with that.

1:08:53So in my good moments where I felt good, I knew that there was three ways I can get home. Either the appellate court threw out my case, either the Supreme Court threw out my case, or the best way to go home. The President of the United States signs a pardon, releasing you instantly. There's the uncertainty, though, whether he's going to get back into power. Yeah. And I was kind of nervous right there because they put me in transfer. because I was going to go, I signed up to testify for a lieutenant that got arrested because I put him on the witness stand. I mean, I put him on my witness list. So I told you that I work with local law enforcement and sometimes federal law enforcement when we have these events to keep everybody safe.

1:09:46I want them to put the barriers up. I want them to put the fences up. I want a healthy distance between us and any counter-protesters. So instantly when I got arrested, I'm like, I got the perfect witness. I got the person I was coordinating with when I was coming into D.C. on January 6th because he were going to give us a bike escort. So fucking check this out. I was going to storm the Capitol with a fucking bike escort. and like wouldn't you if you're going to storm the capital you want less cops so i'm like this is a perfect guy i'm gonna get off i'm gonna win i got i got the guy where i'm talking to him i'm telling him my plans for the day was to go speak that we might need a little bit of of uh of um an escort because there's a few of us right antifa outnumbered us would would have outnumbered us if we would have confronted them that day so it'd be nice to have some fucking cops back up and so when I put him on the witness stand and guess what happens two days later the prosecutors knock on his door and he's like you know you might not want to you might not want to testify in Enrique Tarrio's trial because you might have to testify on your own we're investigating you for obstruction because you told Enrique Tarrio that he was going to get arrested for the Black Lives Matter banner which is bullshit it was two journalists that basically told me I was going to get arrested and I have I have the proof of that there's no communication between me and him about getting arrested for the Black Lives Matter banner because you've been accused of being a snitch also haven't you yes working with the FBI yes and and there is some truth to it.

1:11:44And this, it's not a secret. In 2013, I put away a Mexican national gang that was sex trafficking young women, sometimes under the age of 18, to specifically to Miami. And they ran a$35 whorehouse with them. For$35, you get to have as much fun for 15 minutes with these women, and then they'd change them out. They'd send them back to Mexico or Venezuela sometimes, and they'd bring them in. And I shut that down. So, yes, if people want to judge me for taking down fucking sex traffickers, by all means. I mean, usually it's the left that fucking gives me shit about it. Some on the right give me shit about it.

1:12:38But at the end of the day, if I'm putting away sex traffickers and your fucking focus is, oh, well, he's bad. He shouldn't do it. Well, then we shouldn't applaud those like pedophile poachers, like those people that find pedophiles. Because that's exactly what they do. By pure coincidence, I hit the fucking jackpot when we took down the whorehouse. You know, they took down like an entire operation. They find out that they were running an entire operation with like drugs and gambling and shit like that. But the main thing, two of them got put away for life because it was like over 300 victims of sex trafficking that they could account for.

1:13:24If people want to call me a fed for it, by all means, go ahead. That's fine. I put away some bad people. Over here, even in the underworld, even back in the day, like when villains lived by their own code, they'd never let the police interfere with their business. It would all be done in-house. Unless you were dealing with child sex offenders, then the rules change. Yeah. With pedophiles, you have two choices, like personal choices. You could either try to be a hero and do something that's going to jeopardize your life. or you can put them away because they're going to get fucked up anyways in there because that was that was a rule in prison you don't let the pedophile walk pedophile comes through the door and i don't care what car you're in what what which is like it's like a car is kind of like a gang but it's not officially a gang it's like a crew of guys that just stick together.

1:14:26And it's usually sometimes, most of the time it's race-based. Like the white car, the black car, the Latin car, you know. The rule is, if that pedophile walks through that door, and he walks past you, and you don't touch him, he's going, you're going. Both of you. So you have, as the inmate population in that prison, all of you have the responsibility to make sure that pedophile doesn't walk. And I've had to do it multiple times. You know, I've had to defend myself in prison. I've had to use pointy objects, put them in people. Not wanting to, but I'm going to defend myself. Federal prisons in the United States are pretty rough.

1:15:20Different ballgame completely, isn't they? Yeah. Nobody understands that until you go there. Like, that's a world that people don't know that exists, and they don't want to know that it exists. But they take care of pedophiles. Yeah. So in the case, going back to the original topic, you have two choices. You can fuck up your life and take one, or you can take down a couple. In my case, I took down 30. Yeah. Most people would applaud that. Yes. And we do applaud it. Like, a lot of people applaud it, right? Like Alex Rosen, I interviewed him on my podcast, and he's amazing. Since January to now, I think his count is like 250 of them he's put away.

1:15:59He's put away single-handedly more people than entire police departments. Let's go back to your pardon. Before the pardon, I had the opportunity. Forget about throwing my own boys or brothers under the bus. They were offering me the sweetheart deal. Oh, really? Yeah. Who did you have to throw under the bus for that? I had to throw the president of the United States under the bus, and they would have given me bail. That shows you how scary I am. They're like, whoa, if you give me this guy, you're not as scary anymore, so you could be released into the public. So they wanted me to throw, they wanted me to say, they didn't want the truth, right?

1:16:43You know, usually you see like the cop movies, and you're like, just tell me the truth and we'll let you go. That's not what they came in with. They're like, we know that you were communicating with Donald Trump through your intermediary, Roger Stone. Because Roger Stone talks to the president. I talked to Roger. I've known Roger for a long time. He's a mentor of mine. And, you know, we're good friends. But there was no communication between, he didn't talk about what he talked to the president about. And so they wanted me to go ahead and throw a stone under the bus and the president, but their main target was the president.

1:17:22They go, we want you to say, again, it's not that we want the truth. We want you to say that you were communicating with the president. The president instructed you to go to the Capitol. A state. And we give you bail next week. And you don't do a single day in jail. You don't have to rat on anybody else. But you rat on the president of the United States. And I told them to go fuck themselves. And because of that, I truly believe because of that is why they gave me 22 years. So if I have a history of being a rat, I could have just thrown, I could have lied. I would have had to lie. But I could have just lied and gotten my way out.

1:18:03And I would have been comfy in my bed, in my warm bed, fucking squished between my fucking chick's fucking tits, you know, which are nice, which are nice. giving your missus' tits a shout out as well. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to my chick's tits. Oh my God, she's going to beat my ass.

1:18:24But let's, like you said, let's fast forward to part of that. And you know what everybody always asks me? How big are your chick's tits?

1:18:37She goes to Muay Thai probably like six days a week. It's probably best you don't mention the size of a minute. I'm like 5 '9 and she's like 6 '2 and her thighs are like this. She could fucking kick me in half. So she's probably going to. But the question that people always ask me is how did you feel that day? You know, which is obviously a fair question because that's what you want to know. How did you feel? Like you thought you were going to be in prison your entire life. And then at the snap of a finger, you're out. You're coming out. Dude, I'll tell you, my mood didn't change at all. You know when my mood changed?

1:19:22I had this shitty little radio with a AAA battery that I had to put the battery in a plastic bag and put it in my ice water so I could get more charge, so I could get more battery. I was laying under the door because the battery had just died. And I'm listening to the TV. And what I was listening to was the election. That was my day of freedom. The day of freedom, the day that I, the only way I could describe it, and it's how I felt, I felt like when I got sentenced, I felt like my vision turned to black and white. Like the colors were, not black and white. It was like a tan color, like sepia.

1:20:10it was just like nothing had color anymore and that day i remember like that morning i i i my cell was next to the phone and you know results came in like at 11 o 'clock at night and i was dying for that door to open at five o 'clock in the morning so i could call my family and tell them that it still gives me back fucking, and tell them, I didn't even say hi to my mom or my wife. I'm like, the first thing I said was like, I'm coming home. But you knew. I knew it. I knew it because he's always kept his promise. Did he put that in his manifesto that he would pardon the Proud Boys? He said that he would pardon everybody within nine minutes of his presidency.

1:20:58I'm not going to hold it against him, but he was late by six. And I'm being literal. Donald. He left. He put his hand on the Bible and he swore on the Bible. He swore his oath at noon. At 1.30, the Bureau of Prisons was already getting the emails. Get ready to release these guys. They knocked on my door at like 2.30. It was his first act as the 47th president of the United States. A lot of people don't know this because, you know, he made it a spectacle that day. He's like, at 5 o 'clock, I'm going to go sign the pardons for the January 6th years and my executive order at the John F. Kennedy Center.

1:21:46Ah, that was smoke and mirrors. The fucking pardons were already signed and were already submitted. You know? He did sign the executive orders, but his first act as a president of the United States is to keep a promise that he made. He knew what happened. And, you know, people, he said it, and I think he was honest. He said that he was going to go case by case and see, you know, what it merited. And he did. And in every case in there, you saw there was some denial of justice, like some weaponization. And the media was like, oh, he pardoned all these. He even pardoned the violent ones. The way that the justice system works is that there needs to be equality and a fair process.

1:22:42If there's not a fair process and you're – even for the worst criminals, except pedophiles, even for the worst criminals, then the only solution is a pardon. The only justice is a pardon. And that's why the framers gave him that power. And it was to be able to correct those wrongs or in some cases, like, hey, all right, you served enough time. Sorry for your actions. Pardon. So they almost didn't release me. And for the craziest reason. So obviously I wasn't there. So they pull me out of my cell and they're like, all right, pack your shit. You're leaving. So they take me to R &D, which is receiving and discharge.

1:23:33and uh they put me in a fucking cell for like six hours i'm like what the fuck's going on here they're waiting for the warden because the warden was off that day to come back from a fishing trip or something like some trip she had uh and come in and then she brings me into her office she's like look i know i have to release you i am almost a hundred percent sure i gotta release you but the pardon technically doesn't cover you. I was like, what? So she shows me the pardon. The pardon says, I'm giving pardons to those that were in or around the Capitol. Right? So she's like, but technically, I don't know what around is, you know, so we're going to call the administration.

1:24:25So they put me back in myself. I wasn't worried. I knew that, you know, that wasn't going to be a problem. So the next day they release me. And then here, I'm going to give you an embarrassing moment. So like I get into R &D again and I'm in my gray sweats or whatever. And I'm like, you guys got good security out there? And the captain's there is like, the fuck we need security for? Like, bro, all the cameras and the protesters that are going to be outside. He's like, get the fuck out of here. You're not that important. There's nobody fucking outside. As a matter of fact, the person that came to pick you up, I told him to go to fucking McDonald's.

1:25:01So he's probably not outside. So get the fuck out of here. Fucking wait for him to come outside. And I was like, oh, shit. Was that your dopamine dump? Yeah, that was my dopamine dump. I will tell you something. So prison changes you and doesn't change you at the same time. Like who you are doesn't change. so like you know for those for all those years I was locked up I'm like if I get out you know that's it I'm done I'm just gonna retire you know I've done so much in my life I've done so many different things and I think that like the Proud Boys have done so much good for like the men in America for masculinity and for like just just you know we've done cool shit and we've done good stuff we're not bad we're not the bad guys here and this proved it um so i'm like i've done it you know i've done i can i can just do like conventional shit so i come out and i i still had that that attitude but i was in louisiana i had to drive to uh dallas to get a flight back to miami and my mom calls me she's like hey the media is driving me fucking insane you know i'm not going to tell them anything that you're flying in i'm like yeah sure let's not fucking don't tell them shit you know i just want to go home enjoy you guys that's it so that night i promised my family that i wasn't going to eat like a real meal until i was with them so i had to eat out of a gas station which is a fucking terrible idea i shit all over the plane when i get out of the airport that I finally make it out of the terminal I've never even on TV I've never seen the amount of cameras and photographers and journalists out there I've never seen that for like hardly anybody I hadn't seen it for anybody to be honest with you there must have been like four or five hundred cameras pointing at me at that day And after I hugged my family for the first time, which like fucking tears were rolling down my eyes, automatically when I was done,

1:27:28I wanted to grab the microphone and say my story. Because for years, I didn't, I didn't, when I was in prison, I didn't communicate with the outside world. I didn't do interviews. I did a couple after I was sentenced just for personal friends that were journalists. But I was not in communication with the outside world besides my family and some of my friends. So the story was being told by others. And I don't want that to be the case anymore. It's frustrating. So as soon as I turned, there was this rage and this anger in me for what happened. Like that's when it kind of the anger set in. We were like, they got away with it.

1:28:16They did. They took. I was one of the lucky ones. You know, I was there for three years, but my guys were there for four. And none of us deserve that. And they'll tell you themselves, you know, you want to hit us with trespassing and wanted to give us like six months in jail, the maximum sentence you can get for. It's like, they're like, I would have done that. You know, I trespass. I admit that.

1:28:43so that I knew that I couldn't stop I knew that I had to do what I love doing and that I was going to continue to do so and I wouldn't be happy I won't I can't be happy just sitting down you know I can't put the fucking suit and tie on and fucking do it I never did that but I'm saying like I I can't do it. You're just straight back in the game. Straight back. As soon as my foot left in that direction, it's like, no, I know exactly what I need to do. What about your mindset? I want retribution. I was going to say, do you feel revengeful? Revenge isn't the word. I'm going to use the word retribution.

1:29:29You know what? We could use revenge as a matter of fact. Yes. Because something has to happen to you that you want done back to them. the difference is when you did it to me, it was political. When I'm doing it to you, it's justice for what you did to me. When you're in prison, you kind of also get used to it, right? And you kind of, this is life. This sepia tone, this black and white, this is me. This is what I'm going to have to deal with. And you kind of accept it. It's nefarious as fuck because you get adapted. But you know who doesn't get adopted? Your family, your friends. People talk about the 1 ,600 individuals that had to go through the ringer.

1:30:17There's also tens of thousands of family members and friends that suffered more than they did. They made my mom suffer the most. And the people that made her suffer, they need to pay. and I'm not talking about violence. I'm not talking about show up at their house. I want justice. What revenge for me is justice. The retribution is justice. I want them to be investigated. And if they're investigated, I'm 100 % sure that they're going to find a crime. Indite them, put them through trial and give them 22 years. Because the only way that this stops or slows down, because I don't see it stopping. I'm blackpilled in that.

1:31:03in that regard. We need to put them in prison. They need to feel the heat. And people are like, oh, well, you're going to set a bad press. Oh, this putting, labeling Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization. Don't you think that'll backfire? Where the fuck have you been for the past eight years? Because it was done to us for eight years. And I'm happy so many people woke up, but look back at what they did to us it started on september 9th in 2016 when hillary clinton called us a basket of deplorables when you guys here in your own country were called racists and bigots because you supported brexit right that's when it started because they start with the dehumanization because you're not a person to them even though we took that we took that when they called us deplorables we put it on fucking t-shirts i remember the deplorable tag we're the deplorables.

1:31:56We took it. But that's not what they meant. They meant to dehumanize you. And then they took us off social media platforms so we wouldn't have a voice. They took us off financial platforms like Cash App, PayPal, and then that didn't fucking work. So they took us off our bank accounts. They took us off like Chase platforms. That didn't work. That actually made us more effective. Oh, we're not on social media? Okay, we're showing up. We're showing up in person. We're not pixel warriors. There's nothing, I always say this, there's nothing wrong with pixel warriors. It's just, we're not that. But that wasn't enough.

1:32:36No, we need to lock them up. We need them dead. If Kamala Harris would have fucking stolen the election, there'd be thousands of more people in fucking prison. Donald Trump would be in prison right now for life. And on the subject of Donald Trump, and this has to be the last question, not that I want it to be the final question, but I know you've got a plane to catch. I know you met Donald Trump in person. What did you say to him when you met him? You don't, like, you can never prepare. You know, I've met Donald Trump before he was president the first time. I signed one of my MAGA hats. It was during the campaign.

1:33:19But you never prepare for meeting the president of the United States. and he was very gracious with his time. Like some of the people that he's appointed don't get 10 minutes with him. And I got 10 minutes with him. And me and my mom got 10 minutes with him. And he recognized my mom before he recognized me. He's like, I've seen you on TV. I've seen you on Greg Kelly on Newsmax. And it was 10 minutes of me like, thank you for giving me my life back. you know you one thing is like if if if you pass away you know i'm a christian man you know you go to heaven um or in some cases you you don't but like life ends at that point like your your your physical self ends but putting somebody in prison is deep you know you take away their freedom and This is the hell that you have to live out on this earth.

1:34:19And that's what they did to me. So I am like, there's levels to this shit. You know, my priorities are God, my God, my family. Then it comes my brotherhood and my friends, right? Donald Trump was part, used to be part of the brotherhood and friends. He gave me my life back. So now I put him in that family category, you know, even though he's not like he gave me back my family and he gave my family back me. I might not be the person to ask, you know, to be objective about the president. You know, for me, that's it. like my loyalty and not a lot of people have loyalty to the president and like they put him on like this pedestal right i have reason to do it you know i was personally affected by what he did it wasn't like he waited it was his first act as a 47th president so for 10 minutes you know i told him like thank you and i was telling him like the struggles my mom went through the struggles our family went through other j6ers and things like that and then i have my guys that aren't They're commuted.

1:35:35They're not pardoned. So we're working on getting those pardons for Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs, Zachary Rio, and Dominic Pozzola. So we're working on those, and he assured me that that was going to happen. And did it? Not yet. Not yet. Work in progress. Work in progress. But for the most part, yeah, I enjoyed my time with the president. And you're glad to be free. And I'm glad to be free. I was in Mar-a-Lago. You know, and two months before that, I was sitting in a prison cell in Louisiana in solitary confinement. And now I'm in the president's house, you know, eating a steak dinner. Well, I've sat opposite a lot of people doing this.

1:36:17And that's one of the most fascinating stories I've ever heard. And it's a shame it's got to end here. But I know you've got to get to the airport and maybe next time you're in the UK, there'll be other things. Because there was a whole load of stuff that I wanted to talk to you about. but that was just too, I was too engrossed in that story to view it anywhere else. And I really appreciate you coming on because I know this is a big detour and you're a busy man. You have a beautiful country and I got to witness it for the past like four days. And what makes it beautiful, it's not just the scenery.

1:36:47I met so many people. I met like a bar owner. I've met a lot of bar keeps because the guys drink a lot of beer. I also met my, like I said, my Britannia boys. My Britannia boys are amazing. I think you guys should check them out. They're very, very, very good guys. You know, very hard workers, people that love this country. Where can my audience find the British Proud Boys, and you for that matter? Sign off with letting people know where they can find you and everyone else. I will post it on my Telegram channel. They can follow it at the noble leader.

1:37:24Or on my ex, you know, shoot me a DM. You know, again, they're not very public, so I can't give you like a website. You know, it's a very, it's a, I'm on X. And it's a very, very like close knit group of guys. And it's not like, not everybody joins and not everybody. It's not everybody's cup of tea. You know, we're rough around the edges. We cuss like sailors. They drink like sailors. So I really appreciate my Britannia boys for hosting us. And it was a really good time. And like I said, you have a beautiful country. And where I was going with it is I'd like to visit a lot more. You know, I'd like to visit a lot more.

1:38:05So actually, I might be here in the next couple of months. So I'd love to join you if you'd have me. Absolutely. Yeah, there's lots more I want to ask you. So until the next time, stay safe. Stay out of jail. No promises. I drink to that, but I won't. I shake to that. Good health, brother. Cheers, man. Thank you, buddy.

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