In short
A former British Army infantryman and Afghan veteran describes how he was shaped by early violence, then recounts Iraq and especially Afghanistan combat, moral injury, desensitization, and the long-term mental-health fallout. He also argues Britain is “not prepared” for what he expects will come, and criticizes current military culture and support systems.
Guest backgrounds
The guest is Eddie Ellis, a former soldier who joined the Duke of Lancaster Regiment after an ultimatum (jail or army). He served in Iraq and Afghanistan (eight months), later worked in construction and as a mercenary, and speaks about heavy drinking, post-deployment demons, and suicide among veterans.
Key claims
Traditional readiness/support is inadequate; combat trauma is not properly supported on return; Afghanistan and its aftermath damage everyone; recruitment/training and modern policies (including “woke/DEI” and mental-health rules) weaken preparedness; some soldiers cope through alcohol/violence.
Notable examples
IED and PKM deaths of comrades (including a friend shot in the stomach who bled out on a helicopter); “13th man on patrol” stepping on a pressure plate; a fellow stabbing his pregnant wife 38 times after returning; riots/guerrilla tactics in Iraq; the guest punching a Russian doorman in Germany; multiple veteran suicides he says he’s lost friends to.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Brutality of War Experiences
0:01 to 0:26
Discover the harsh realities faced by soldiers in combat.
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The Brutality of War Experiences
0:29 to 1:18
Discover the harsh realities faced by soldiers in combat.
“While he was putting a tourniquet on them, he was throwing up all over them.”
Understanding the Culture of Violence
1:18 to 2:26
Explore the cultural factors leading to violence in conflict zones.
“And we want people to understand the culture that comes with it.”
Growing Up in Chaos
2:26 to 4:25
Insights into a tumultuous upbringing and its impact on life choices.
“It's just I liked the kind of mayhem side of life.”
Consequences of Violence
4:25 to 4:42
Discussion on gang violence and its repercussions in the community.
Joining the Army: A Turning Point
4:42 to 8:23
Learn about the motivations and experiences of enlisting in the army.
“I've had a numerous amount of kick-ins you know like laying the floor 13, 14 lads kicking hell out here on the floor so yeah you just kind of get through it.”
The Reality of Basic Training
8:23 to 11:16
Experience the trials and camaraderie of army basic training.
“What was the consequence for him doing that?”
Deployment Experience in Iraq
11:16 to 13:00
Insights into the challenges and dangers faced during deployment.
“And he gets spoken to like shit as well because he's not earning his respect yet.”
Understanding Guerrilla Warfare Challenges
14:00 to 18:50
Exploration of the complexities of identifying threats in guerrilla warfare.
“But once a group of them come together, then it becomes a threat.”
Personal Stories from Iraq and Afghanistan
18:50 to 19:40
The host shares personal experiences and memories from their time in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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The Harsh Realities of Combat
19:40 to 28:00
A discussion on the brutality of combat and the emotional toll it takes on soldiers.
“so when you're in the green zone, so we were in Nadi Alley.”
Coping with Post-Afghanistan Trauma
28:00 to 28:32
Explore the challenges faced by veterans adjusting to life after deployment.
“And the combo come in, and he even said to me, he said, no, I'm not doing this, you know what I mean?”
The Tragic Story of Loey
28:32 to 29:42
A discussion on a veteran's tragic descent into violence after returning home.
“I was going to, I wasn't a great dad when I come back and stuff, very distant, you know.”
The Harsh Realities of Combat
29:42 to 30:46
Insights into the chaotic experiences and stressors of military operations.
“As soon as he got home, he murdered his wife.”
Reflections on a Friend's Tragedy
32:52 to 34:16
Analyzing the psychological impact of a fellow veteran's violent act.
“Let me go back to this guy that stabbed his wife and his unborn baby.”
Military Readiness and Recruitment Issues
34:16 to 36:16
Discussion on the current state of military recruitment and its implications.
“Some lads who are really close to him, yeah.”
Changing Dynamics in Military Training
36:16 to 37:48
Critique of how modern policies affect military training and preparedness.
“But how did that make you feel when the British Army are telling you we've not got enough men?”
Life After Military Service
37:48 to 39:58
A veteran's transition to civilian life and the challenges faced.
“But yeah, I think the DEI has come into everything now, I really do.”
The Weight of Loss Among Veterans
39:58 to 42:00
Discussing the tragic loss of fellow soldiers and its impact on mental health.
“Yeah, on the building site while the digger's just digging.”
The Harsh Reality of Veteran Mental Health
42:00 to 44:38
Explore the devastating impact of mental health issues among veterans and the challenge of addressing suicide rates.
“and he said to me, he said, mate, I'm so glad that you said that to me.”
A Wedding Day Gone Wrong
44:38 to 47:56
Listen to a firsthand account of a wedding disaster marked by anger and regret.
“We're not going to start pissing and moaning about having days here.”
Life as a Mercenary in Conflict Zones
47:56 to 53:11
Gain insights into the chaotic and dangerous lifestyle of mercenaries working in Libya and beyond.
“So they lowered it and three women, you know, powerful women, said, we don't want this.”
Community Protection Initiatives
53:11 to 56:01
Discover the plans for community protection and education in response to rising crime rates and safety concerns.
“And what sort of money do you earn as a mercenary?”
Building Community Resilience
56:01 to 1:01:20
Learn about the importance of community in addressing societal issues.
“We're going to have tactics with me, and we're going to run it like an exercise.”
Upcoming Community Protection Group Events
1:01:21 to 1:01:39
Discover the planned events for community training and self-defense.
“So it's me and Mike, your mate, we're sorting all that out, yeah.”
Concerns Over Illegal Immigration
1:01:40 to 1:04:52
Explore serious concerns regarding illegal immigration and its impact.
“And what we're going to do is we're going to actually do like live exercises, kind of like dummy play exercises, like just in case, what would you do in this situation?”
The Call for Community Action
1:04:53 to 1:05:52
Hear the urgent call for communities to unite and address safety issues.
“You know, it's gone to the old days, you know, when you speak to your neighbour, but you don't speak to your next door but one.”
Closing Thoughts and Contact Information
1:05:53 to 1:07:12
Find out how to connect with the guest and support community efforts.
“I mean, how many sacrifices does it take before this stops?”
Transcript
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0:32Two of the lads got hit, IED. While he was putting a tourniquet on them, he was throwing up all over them. Jordan got shot in the face. But when you die, you're not priority to be picked up. His body was, like, clearly decomposing. It was brutal. We were just legging and winging them, grabbing their arms and legs, putting them down. And I remember walking down the line going dead, dead, dead, dead. Thirteenth man on patrol. Everybody steps over this IED, this pressure plate. And he stood on it. He got it in his head that his missus was cheating on him. She was eight months pregnant. He stabbed her 38 times and the blade actually snapped inside.
1:06As soon as he got home, he murdered his wife. Murdered his wife and unborn baby. They called it a blood rage. Women are brutalised. It's not a good place for the woman. They put them in cages and set them on fire. The UK is changing. When did rape become a normal, everyday thing? There is bad people on them both. And we want people to understand the culture that comes with it. What sort of money do you earn as a mercenary?
1:34Eddie, thanks for coming on. I'm always very humbled when I'm set opposite a military man. Very grateful for what you've done. When I was doing a bit of research on you, it led me to believe you was a bit of a nightmare when you were younger. Heading, drinking, fighting, heading for trouble. How much trouble were you heading towards and how much of a nightmare were you really growing up? Well, it started ego. When you're younger, you've got an ego, chasing the girls, drinking, getting them in the wrong crowd, and, you know, enjoying the kind of chaos side of things, you know. And then it led to fighting.
2:13Where I live in Warrington, it's kind of like in the middle of a lot of bad areas who hate each other. So if you were looking for it, you're definitely going to find it. So, yeah, it was come to really like gang fights outside ship shops, stuff like that, yeah. Why do you think you enjoyed chaos? I don't know what it was. I honestly don't. It's just I liked the kind of mayhem side of life. I'm always looking back and I wonder why was I the way I was? Because I used to be very chaotic, but I used to feel very comfortable in chaos. And I look back and I think, I wonder why? And I now know why. It was because of my surroundings.
2:48That was normal for me to be wrapped around lunatics. Was you wrapped around any kind of lunatic? What was your dad like? So my dad was great. My dad was a hard-working man. My man was hard-working. And there was like no kind of odd thing about it, really. It was just my brother, my elder brother, he was all right. My middle brother, he was a bit manic-hungered around me, the wrong people. And I kind of looked up to my middle brother instead of the one who was doing well. So I kind of think I flew towards my middle brother because he was out drinking, and chasing girls and stuff like that. How old were you when your dad gave you the ultimatum?
3:30And what was the ultimatum? So the ultimatum was, it's take your pick. You'd either go into jail or the army. Which one do you think you were genuinely heading for? I was definitely heading for jail. Definitely. What had you done by that stage that could have got you sent to jail? Police was coming around the house. I remember rugby tackling the police officer outside the house because he was strangling my brother. So we come back from the pub and rugby tackle the policeman outside the house. So it was a big show for me mum. Very embarrassing for me mum. As you can imagine. CS gas everywhere, coppers on the floor, and then me and my brother getting thrown in the cells.
4:10And how bad did the fighting and violence get? It was bad. It was, you know, people getting glassed. It was pretty horrific. People openly getting glassed in pubs. just coming back covering other people's blood yeah it wasn't a good scene not for any family so this was your gang glassing other people or was it both gangs glassing each other just everyone coming for each other yeah no holds barred no holds barred no limits yeah any near death experiences and this is before we've even got to the army yeah this is before so yeah I've had a numerous amount of kick-ins you know like laying the floor 13, 14 lads kicking hell out here on the floor so yeah you just kind of get through it.
4:52So your dad was at the end of his tever and said, you're going to jail or you're going to the army? Them two, yeah. How did that conversation go? So it was kind of, it was a bit of an eye-opener. It was strange because I kind of knew it anyway, but it was like, what do I do? Because I didn't know much about the army, but I knew a lot about prison because everyone knows about prison at a young age, you don't want to go to prison. So, yeah, that's the day when I went to the recruitment office, yeah. So talk me through that then. How would you, and what regiment did you sign up for? I signed up for Duke of Lancs.
5:24So it's funny because you go to the recruitment office and they put you through these videos, free videos. And one's infantry, looks really good, dead fancy, assault courses, everyone's having a laugh. And then the other one's RAF and the other one's artillery. And the other two don't look too great. But the infantry, I think it's just a go to get you into the infantry. And plus my barb test wasn't very good because it wasn't very clever at the time. But they don't show you the videos if you're scrubbing toilets with toothbrushes. And so when you apply to join the army, is it an immediate yes straight to training and then you see if you qualify?
6:04So you go to training first. You do, it's two weeks in LID and then you do, it's like a little tester run. See how it fit you down and stuff. And then you go off to your basic training. How was that brutal? Basic training was crazy because we started in Scots 8. So you've got like three different people. You've got Scottish lads, you've got lads from down London. So it was like Rifles, Scots, and it was Kings. Some bad things was happening there. So there was a lad, and this is well documented this, so there was a lad, one of my mates, Ricky O. You get to know lads and stuff, you get strong bonds and stuff.
6:43and they went out on the drink and then there was another lad called car and it was a bit we knew he's a bit mad but kind of paid lip service to it and then one night they all went out and then rickio and car were fighting over this girl just arguing this girl's toes rickio and then they come back and then once they come back to the barracks rickio went to sleep i come outside my room and the same car just rolled up on the floor just talking to myself and just thought nothing of it so then I went back in and what you do is them eight-man rooms you should put big ampli box headphones on because everyone's snoring you can't get a wink of sleep so put these ampli box headphones on and then all of a sudden got woke up at like three in the morning by RMP dragged out the room because Ricky always been stabbed in his sleep so this car had just lost his mind got a knife and just started hacking him up in his bed.
7:41Did he die? No, he didn't die madly enough. I remember seeing him at a Warrington game and he had like a colostomy bag of the lot. Oh, so he really done a number on him? Yeah, he's completely gone. I remember telling me a story and he said to me when I seen him at the rugby, he said to me, he said, all he remembers was running off, losing consciousness and then all he remembers was this car lad just walking by him with a knife just saying, I'm going to fucking kill you now. How many times did he stab him? Must have been about eight, nine times. through his hand, through his chest, two in his stomach, a load of times.
8:12Yeah, that's a cycle. To wait till someone's fallen asleep before you start stabbing the life out of them, that's heavy going. Because I had my AmpliBox headphones on, so no one heard it. Eight-man room as well. Yeah, it was a rough do that. That was training. What was the consequence for him doing that? So he handed himself into the guardroom afterwards, so before he actually finished the job, he handed himself into the guardroom. and I think he got something like, I think it was 14 years ago. How did that affect the vibe in the regiment? God, it was just crazy. I doubt there's many training camps where that goes on.
8:46It's crazy because all it is, like, training, so you've got a load of people who are all in messed up situations. You know, people, you get the rare one who goes into the infantry, who's, you know, who's got a steady life back home. It's all lads who have got no options or someone's struggling because they're either going to go to jail or someone's doing too many drugs, someone's selling drugs. It's always a group of lads like that who go into the infantry. A lot of loose cannons. Even on the passing out parade. It's when you're passing out. The jock lads were throwing glasses at each other and all that.
9:18It was garbage. And that was just training. That's when they're celebrating. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, so a whole load of loose cannons. I mean, how did you settle into that? Because if you enjoyed the chaos, did you feel right at home there? Yeah, it was kind of fresh for me. really like it was okay that like so it was I always seem to get on with people because I'm quiet I'm quite loud anyways it is so I've always got on with people very well I'm not like shy or anything like that. So 1st Battalion Duke of Lancaster's what was the what was the culture like within that group? Really good so it was it was crazy because once you get it once my story was it was it was actually a bit of a nightmare for me like so when I passed out so my unit was already in Iraq so I passed out went to Germany also in a bro and I must have been Germany for about three weeks when you pass out of training you don't actually realize you're going to be going on tour anytime soon so I remember we got a big we got a massive parade off a psych major and he's like right private Ellis come and see me after this and I was like what's this about and then I went in there he said right I've got good news and bad news and I was like what's that and he said uh he said right you can go home for the weekend that's your good news and he said the bad news is you're going to Iraq in a week.
10:35I was like, you don't really say anything to the side of the major, you just go, okay, about turn and then march out. And then I phoned my mum, remember phoning my mum, saying, bloody hell, mum, yeah, going to Iraq. Although you joined the army to go to war, I mean, you know that's what you signed up for. You don't really know, you know what I mean? Is it still a squeaky bum moment? Yeah, of course it is, like your first tour the night you're in Iraq. and it was the journey to it as well. It was horrendous, the journey. Something through that. When you're a new lad, you are the shit on everyone's shoes.
11:12It's not bullying, so I'm all for... It's character building. Yeah, it is. I mean, you can't be nice to the dude. The new lad gets all the shit jobs. And he gets spoken to like shit as well because he's not earning his respect yet. So I remember it's like a 36-hour journey. and you're like, get to Iraq, you literally don't have a clue who's there. You just get point of contact, who to speak to and stuff. And it's usually a pissed off sergeant or it's usually someone who's going to give you a load of shit and just tell you to stand somewhere. And then, oh, I've told you to stand there. And then another one will come home and say, what are you fucking standing there for?
11:45And just making your life an absolute misery. That's just the way it is. And what was the tour like in Iraq on a whole? Because I know you've done Iraq and Afghan. Yeah. So I'd like to compare the two as well. Iraq was, it was hard, long, arduous, arduous patrols. So we used to do Black Dagger patrols. Black Dagger patrols are basically trying to find rocket rail teams. And you'd go up in a mastiff, well, you'd go up in a bulldog. It's like a trap there, you'd go up in a bulldog. And our team commander at the time thought it was a great idea because the bulldogs are loud and we don't want the enemy to hear us.
12:24So we'll just park nine kilometres away. but the ground in a rack, it's like sludge up to your knees. You've got like, and when you're a new lad, you've got the heaviest of kit. Lads are putting all their extra ammo in your bag and all that. And yeah, so you'd be finding rocket rail teams. We'd do OPs as well. What's a rocket rail team? So basically they pull up on trucks and they've got like metal kind of rails and then they'll put the rocket on there, light the fuse and it fires off and then they can drive off. Right, okay. It's like it's not, you know, it's indirect like so. Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile.
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13:35So we used to call it dial-a-mob. So basically you'll just do a snap VCP, like a snap vehicle checkpoint, and then all of a sudden there'll be two people. And you're like, all right, I can do it with that. And then you turn your head, boom, six people. And you're like, where have they even come from? And then you turn your head again, there's 12. And then you're like, hold on. because when they start getting more numbers than your squad, that's when it starts becoming a bit of an issue because it's not good practice just to shoot random civilians. You can't do that. But once a group of them come together, then it becomes a threat.
14:07And how do you ascertain there and then in the moment whether they're civilians or the enemy? Well, this is the problem with guerrilla warfare. It's an absolute nightmare to figure out. You can't. If they've not got a weapon and they've not shown any signs of bad intent, then you'll have to just see them as Civ Pop, basically. So if you've got a dozen of what could be the enemy, but they haven't got weapons, because I'm assuming they all look the same. Yeah, all of this, actually. So if they've not got weapons, how do you behave? Because surely you can't just wait for them to... You've got to be on a ready state.
14:41You've got to be on a ready state. So your top cover will be on top of the vehicle as well with the main armament. You lads will be ready, good to go. And when you say riots, to me I picture sort of two groups of men punching and kicking and biting each other. Is that what you mean? Like throwing bricks to come over to you and they're not keen on us being there. And even if they're shown to want us there, other people will see that and then they'll get threatened for helping us or whatever it is. So it's better for them to look properly aggressive to us because then if someone's watching on the outside and seeing them helping us, then it's going to be worse for them.
15:22So the riots would come from the civilians? Yeah. Okay. And then it'd be batons, riot shields, good to go. So they'd push it as far as they could without using firearms? Yeah. Weaponry? Pretty much, yeah. Rockets and stuff. Okay. And did it reach the stage of where you exchanged fire in Iraq? So in Iraq, it wasn't too bad. Iraq was, you'd mostly get targeted through IEDs, EFPs and stuff like that. I mean, we'd be doing OPs for three days, so we'd be sat there watching a stretch of road and sods low, watching a stretch of road, didn't see nothing. On the drive back, the vehicle gets smacked with an EFP, big hole through the side, hits the engine block.
16:04Everyone's all right, but now you've got a problem, you've got a bulldog there that needs recovery. So when you finished the tour in Iraq, did you think to yourself, that was harrowing or that wasn't actually as bad as I thought? It's a strange feeling. It's like you're buzzing, you're happy, you're full of confidence. I mean, there's a lot of the reasons why. Lads will finish tours and then the army will give them six weeks off, but you've got a few quid in your account and then the lads will feel untouchable, just been on tour, just been shot at, blown up. So that's when they start having a few drinks and then someone might say something, they'll just whack them.
16:41Did you go down that route? I went down that route in Germany after a racket. I punched a Russian doorman, yeah, and it was a bad move, yeah. What happened? Oh, he nutted me with the heaviest headbutt I've ever seen in my life, yeah. And that was me being, I must have been nine and a half stone. Would you say the Russian skull was thicker than your British skull? I would say his head was a wrecking ball. That was horrendous. So how did, because I know that Afghan was brutal, not nice at all. I know that much from what I've looked into. Can we talk about that? Yeah, of course, yeah. Can we go into detail on that?
17:20Big detail, yeah. Took it through the whole thing. So going to Afghanistan, it was strange. It's like you have a false sense of confidence because you've done Iraq. You don't really get told. You know it's bad, but you don't really get told the horrors before you go. You've got to kind of just see that for yourself. and, you know, I've lost so many brothers on that. Like, oh, it's sad. So, yeah, I've got, the first one to go was Rocco and Rocco was the hardest and the biggest for Gene. He was just nails. I mean, he had the record for getting tasered six times in Canada and not going down. He was an absolute unit.
18:06And he was the first one to go and he was the hardest man in battalion. I mean, no one mess with him. When he went, we all kind of knew. So we were coming back from patrol, and we were coming back from the patrol base, and then a stray PKM shot him in the stomach. Now, when he got shot, he was laughing. So no one really thought anything. He was laughing. When Fijians laugh, they've always got a very strange laugh. It's like, you know, he's laughing. And because the helicopter took so long to come and get him, he died on the helicopter. Bled out. Bled out on the helicopter, yeah. He was laughing at first, but, you know, God bless him.
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19:51You're in their garden. They know where you are. Exactly. Like when you go on patrol, as soon as you leave your patrol base, we had these radios called ICOM scanners, and we could hear them speaking about us on their radio. and it's eerie as anything because you're patrolling to the corner and then they used to call us the monsters. So when you're getting to the corner, they'll say, when they get to the corner, attack them then. I'm like, they're saying that when we're walking to the corner. And obviously at the sides, they're so clever like they were. It's strange. I respect the Taliban for the fight that they give because you've got to respect your enemy in that way.
20:38I don't like the morals and what the things are doing. But, yeah, so they'd tactically hammer us like that. Just ambush, ambush, ambush. We'd gain some ground and then we'd lose that ground. It was a bit like, sort of like halfway through the tour, it was kind of like, what are we doing? What are we achieving here? But yeah, it was just becoming desensitised to corpses, to like when the Afghan army got ambushed, they were bringing them to us in Hiluxes and we were just legging and winging them. So just grabbing their arms and legs, putting them down. And they were in a line and I remember walking down the line going dead, dead, dead, dead.
21:24And then I looked at one and he didn't look dead. And I was like, so he opened his mouth and there was a massive piece of frag sticking through the back of his head. And I was like, yeah, dead, dead, dead. It's kind of like you become desensitised to the chaos. And it's like you don't really get over it because every day is the same. Did the hatred for the Taliban, although you respect their intelligence, did the hatred for the Taliban grow inside you? I hated what they'd done to my boys. I hated them with a passion. So what else did they do after the first Virginia? So, God bless him, Jordan got shot in the face.
22:04Oh, God, that was brutal. Jordan got shot in the face, but when you die, you're not priority to be picked up. And rightly so, as sad as it is, the helicopters won't beat you up because there's other people who've lost their legs or whatever, you know, saving life. So it was hot, and we had to put him in the compound in 40 degrees of weather and his body was clearly decomposing inside this compound and then what the lads had been doing who knew him best was going in one by one and cleaning his body off before he got in the helicopter. And it was tough. It was brutal. You know, you had plant coops that they lost their legs brutally.
22:49And this is what upsets me. I'm no super soldier. I mean, the lads I serve with, some of them are heroic, you know. Makes me sad thinking about it too much. But yes, like, we had Glenn Dinning, Glenn Dinning. You know, I was GPMG gunner, so I can't really do much running. I'll do short sprints, but I've got the heavy gun. So I've got 70 % of the fire team's firepower. But two of the lads got hit, IED, and Glenn Dinning. The medic we had, she froze, sadly. she froze Glenn Dinning threw his rifle and for a run across this open ground was laced with IEDs while he was putting the tourniquets on him he was throwing up all over him but he saved a life oh really he saved a life when when Coops got back Coops didn't do very well Coops just kept he kept having to get put back in a coma but Plant Plant straight away he said Major Cummins seen him he said When do we get no money?
23:53And he lost his legs above the knee, right up to his... There was Rick Clement as well. He's done some great work for Help for Heroes, really good work. How he's alive is an absolute mystery. Unluckiest man, 13th man on patrol. Everybody steps over this AD, this pressure play, and he stood on it. 13th man. That is so unlucky. But he is like, he's done great work, fantastic fella, you know, really good. But how he's alive, it's insane. You know, you said you were becoming desensitised to the corpses. Was you, did that also apply to you seeing your friends get blown up or shot in the face? Was that also becoming numb?
24:45It's a strange one. When it comes to the Taliban, I've just seen them as meat. or that I just look to them as meat. When it's happening to your boys and that, you don't really have time to think about it. You just pick him up and drag him or whatever it is. And then what you do after patrol then is you'll sort your weapon out first and then you sort your feet out if they're wet and then you'll sit there and you don't really engage with each other much like about what's happened. You'll see a couple of lads sat in the corner crying and stuff like that. That's when you go over. But sometimes you leave.
25:20it takes a strong mind to kind of go through all that chaos, like it really does. And how long was you in Afghan for? So we was there eight months. Eight months solid. So you get two weeks off R &R. So eight months in Afghan, seeing people getting blown to smithereens, death was a daily occurrence by the sounds of things, madness, very, very frightening, I'd well imagine, but the adrenaline will keep you going. So in that little gap of R &R, is that where the demons start creeping in? When you come back from Afghanistan, you feel untouchable. You will not take any shit off anyone because it doesn't matter how big they are, how small they are.
26:06You've literally been through hell and back. So you know if you were going to die, it would have been over there, not in a street fight. So when you come back for R &R? for a couple of weeks? Is it straight in the pubs, fists up? Straight in the boosters. Some lads would be hitting, some lads would be doing drugs. What was your experience like? My experience was I loved to drink. I mean, a lot of people said they had problems with it. I never believed I had problems with it, but I think I definitely did. So even when I come back from Afghanistan, I was drinking a lot of vodka, like a lot. It was through the day as well while I'm at work in the army.
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26:52So I was drinking it. And I remember Kumbo, the African lad, great lad. So in the army, you've got like a no grassing rule. You can't grass. It's just like prison, I can imagine. You don't grass, no matter what it is. You never go to your superiors for grassing on anyone. Is that you could get away of drinking too frequently? Well, no, so you're just never grassing anything. So basically, you're that fit in the army, you could have a skimful of booze and you'd still smash out an eight-mile run, you know, because you're that fit. I know, yeah, it sounds brutal, doesn't it? And we used to call it, what was it, Madness Tuesdays, and we all used to get absolutely smashed.
27:33And the next day we'd have like a 12-mile boot run and all that. Everyone would get through it. But, yeah, I remember Cumbo threw me under, Well, not threw me under the bus, he'd done it rightly so. So I was drinking heavily. I was drinking neat bottles of vodka, getting to a litre and a half, two litres in. You're going to be a lot of Billy, isn't you? Yeah, it was a nightmare. And that time I didn't lock my door, so I'd fell and kind of collapsed with this bottle of vodka and a hot pot noodle, and it didn't bother me. And the combo come in, and he even said to me, he said, no, I'm not doing this, you know what I mean?
28:08And he actually said, you know what, I'm throwing him in. And then, yeah, I went on like A &A meetings and stuff like that. Didn't work. I mean, I just sat there with a load of like, I mean, I'm sure it works for some people. But it felt like I was just sat there with a load of people in denial who were still drinking. Yeah. You know what I mean? It was kind of, I think the best way for me to get over it was just a bit of grit. I had my son at the time as well. I was going to, I wasn't a great dad when I come back and stuff, very distant, you know. So did that guy damage you? It damaged everyone, you know, as much as you could say, I feel, well, I feel great now.
28:46I've got opportunities with work. I mean, but yeah, I think it damages everyone. I mean, that amount of chaos is, it's no good for anyone's brain. I don't know anyone that's come back from Afghan, fine. Not one person. And I've got a fair few friends, not one. And we can maybe move on later and down the line. But the lack of support I've seen has been frightening. When you come back from Afghan, should we say, for example, did you get much support? You get six weeks off with a load of money in your account, and then that's when you list. So there was a lad called Loey, well-documented again. Oof.
29:22So he got it in his head that his missus was cheating on him. She was eight months pregnant, and he went back to his house and stabbed her and the baby to death in it. They called it a blood rage. He stabbed her 38 times, and the blade actually snapped inside her. Fucking hell. Yeah, yeah. That was once he'd left Afghan. Yeah, they come back from Afghan, yeah. So he'd done the full stint. As soon as he got home, he murdered his wife. Yeah, murdered his wife and unborn baby. Cool. Do you think he was a psycho before Afghan? Or do you think Afghan turned into a psycho? Do you know what the strangest thing was?
29:53Like, Lowy was, like, Manchester lad, nice lad. You know, dead polite, good laugh. You just never would have seen it. So there was no signs of schizophrenia? No signs of nothing. I mean, you could be schizophrenic in Afghanistan. that because everyone's it's carnage it's chaos everyone's firing weapons and you know you're not sleeping you don't sleep at all i mean you'll get put in so i remember we'd done a massive operation and so basically this is how mad it is i mean our our platoon um we were like classed as sandbags we were put there as a distraction so the engineers could clear this part of the road so we got dropped in the middle of the night and it was horrendous because we got dropped, right, not realising the ground's boggy and we've got like a kilometre march up to this main compound and with all our kit, all our fighting gear and everything, it took ages and it dropped us about four o 'clock in the morning and because it took that long, all of a sudden, sun started coming up and then we're in the open.
30:56I was thinking, this is not a good place to be right now. So we had to kind of hot tail it to the compound As soon as you got in the compound, they got on the radio, you heard them saying the monsters have took the compound. And then as soon as we set up, because you'd always take the corners of the compound, you'd always set up your sentries and stuff. As soon as we got it, we'd just seen this tractor and it was just picking up loads of women and kids. And we were in the middle and there was just a load of compounds around and we just got hammered. And one of their tactics was just keep us awake.
31:26Keep you awake. Yeah, just keep us awake. Just firing EGLs, motors, a few pot shots. every now and then just to keep you awake. Literally you'd be going like three, four weeks without proper sleep. They shot down one of the helicopters that was dropping off the wall. We had to do fighting patrols to the wells. So it's like paper or scissors, who's gonna fill the flasks while everyone else is in all round defense. Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. Now I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited premium wireless for$15 a month is back. so I thought it would be fun if we made$15 bills but it turns out that's very illegal so there goes my big idea for the commercial give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch upfront payment of$45 for 3 months $90 for 6 months or$180 for 12 month plan required $15 per month equivalent taxes and fees extra initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy see terms who says Halloween only lasts one day with Wayfair one night of Halloween becomes a whole season at home From larger-than-life yard decor and moody lighting to festive accents for every room in the house, Wayfair has what you need to make Halloween feel like magic all in one place.
32:38Because the best Halloween memories aren't made in just one night. They're made all season long. Shop Halloween decor now at Wayfair.com. That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R dot com. Wayfair, every style, every home. Let me go back to this guy that stabbed his wife and his unborn baby. So when you've spent eight months with a man like that where you saw no signs of psychopathy or schizophrenia, when the lads hear the news that I'm assuming at the time you all considered him a friend. Yeah, it's like bizarre. It's like you don't actually fully understand what's going on there. But here's the thing. I mean, this is because people may think this is a mad question.
33:17But when you see someone that you served with for eight months and you consider him a brother and you don't know that he's a total lunatic or a paranoid schizophrenic, and he goes back home, murders his wife and unborn baby with a knife, stabs her 38 times. When the lads get together and try and make sense of it, do you immediately think, what a fucking piece of shit? Or do you think, oh, I wonder what he was going through to do that? I think he's a piece of shit. Same. Yeah, yeah. Same, put that on record, total piece of shit. But can you see where I'm going with that? Do you think there could be some people there that would think to themselves, show any kind of sympathy towards the piece of shit?
33:55Could you show sympathy? I don't know. It's an 814p. I mean, you and me couldn't, but I'm just wondering if there's any lads out there that sort of felt a bit hard done by themselves and sort of rationalised what he'd done because of what he'd been through. Yeah. And thought, okay, well, he's not of sound mind. That's why he'd done it, rather than just like, nah. That's a line crossed dog. It's pretty brutal. But yeah, they may have been like. Some lads who are really close to him, yeah. I mean, who knows, because it affects everyone differently. Did you ever get murderous thoughts once you'd left?
34:27Not murderous thoughts, but angry. I used to drink a lot. I mean, but I was always with me, I loved being with me unit. I mean, you know, the boys would. I mean, the block was insane. I mean, the block was crazy. Can you imagine, like, so 30 lads all got back from Afghan. and they're all sat in this block, nothing to do. Everyone's bladdered. And when squaddies get drunk, it's not like a... I mean, it's weird shit going on. I remember Dean Winch. He was crazy. God, it's going to sound horrendous, this. But what he used to do when he was pissed was shit in his hands and throw it at everyone down the block.
35:10You know, stuff like that. Like a gorilla. Yeah. Like, yeah, you know what I mean? You know, like Danny Schultz always used to have a shit in the shower every time he got drunk and all that. And then the new lad would have to fucking clear it up. Yeah, it's horrendous. So you can make sense of someone shitting in their hands and throwing it, but stabbing the wife and the unborn baby, not so much. Yeah, I don't know. It's crazy. Some of the lads are great lads, some of them. You know, when you was with your team, did you feel completely safe, like you had everything covered and you had enough men to defend the country?
35:44How... Because you say when you come back, you felt bulletproof. When you was out there, did you feel bulletproof? When we come back, so basically we got told on a big scale, so we've not got enough men to go on tour. You've not got enough men? We haven't got enough men as a battalion, so we've not got enough men to go on tour and defend England as well. So you're going to be like a contingency battalion, and that means going down to the flood areas, putting sandbags out for floods and all that. I mean, like, I was never a camp soldier. I mean, I love the field. But how did that make you feel when the British Army are telling you we've not got enough men?
36:23It's not good. To a civilian, that sounds very frightening. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good at all. They've really dropped the clangor, really. They got rid of so many people and redundancies and they've just not made it a place where people want to go now. Is that because woke policies crept in? Woke policies come in as well. So I was lucky. I mean, like, when I was in, you know, I was getting punched in the face off sergeants. That's fine. If you dropped a clangor, boom. Well, now I've got lads at ICC telling me now that recruits can give them yellow cards. So that means if... Notice it. Yeah, so that's like...
37:01So a recruit can give a full screw a yellow card and then that yellow card then has to be, like... So then that recruit can't be bollocked for, like, 12 hours or whatever it is. Like, it's all mental health. But I'm telling you now, when rounds are landing at the feet, they need to be under some sort of stress. I mean, when you go and train, you do baronet training. Baronet training is rough. I mean, you've spent like six hours doing the locker perfect, like perfect, smiley faces on your socks and all your T-shirts up to like A4 piece of paper. And then all of a sudden, three o 'clock in the morning, full screen comes in, tips your locker upside down, calls you the cunt, and then says, make that locker again.
37:42and then at six o 'clock then you go out, do bernet training because they want you angry, they want you ready for bernet training. But yeah, I think the DEI has come into everything now, I really do. And not for the betterment of our country either. Absolutely not. I mean, you need to prep infantry for what shit's going to come. How could you be a woke soldier? How does that even work? I wouldn't have a clue how it worked. I mean, even when I was in, it was unacceptable. You might laugh at this. When I was in, so it's unacceptable to be gay in an infantry thing. It is. When I was in. Because you don't want to be different.
38:21You don't want to be that different guy. I'm not saying everyone's homophobic and out like that, but you don't want to be different to everyone else because you just stick out like a sore thumb. You'll get your fit ones, you'll get your strong ones, but you'll get your medium ones, but you don't. You don't want to be different. and I remember there was a lad I won't say his name but there was a lad and all the way through I swear to God right he was the campus bloke you've ever met in your life but because he denied being gay for so long and everyone used to rip him for it like show you because he denied it for so long like seven years even I turned around and said lads do you know I don't think he is because if he was he would have just said it by now and the day he signed off when I Facebook said I'm gay I was like, oh my God, I even stuck up for them.
39:09You know what I mean? I actually stuck up for them. So once you left the military, where did you, because by this stage, you're qualified up to the eyeballs, I'd imagine. You've seen and experienced stuff, lived it that would make most people's head spin. So where did you go from there once you left? It was funny, like, so when I left, so I thought to myself, I thought, right, what I'll do is I'll do construction because you kind of move into the kind of the banter side of things. You think, ah, the lads will be late. You can have a bit of banter and all that. I bet you missed the lads, didn't you, at the start?
39:37Yeah, massively, like, you know. And, you know, it's funny, like, it's just natural. I speak to a few of me good boys still. Like, you know, if I phoned up one of me boys and said, get the van, we're fucking on one, and it'll come down, like. But I speak to a few of the good lads, but you do lose contact with them. I remember being on construction, and one of the lads phoned me up, and he was already in Libya. And I was just looking down a hole. Was this on a building site? Yeah, on the building site while the digger's just digging. And he phoned me up and he said, what are you doing? I said, I'm just looking down a hole, mate.
40:10And he went, I'm not in Libya with me. And I was like, how do I get to Libya with you then? And then he told me, he said, do this course, do well. If you do well, you'll get an interview and then you'll be out. And I was like, tell you what, I'll have a go at that. Did you hate working on the building site? Oh, it was horrendous. It was, I mean, I didn't mind getting my hands dirty, didn't mind a bit of graft. What were you doing, labouring? Yeah, just labouring. I was up on that Runcorn Bridge and all that new one, yeah. It was concreting and it was tarmacking and curving. I used to be a hod carrier.
40:39I didn't really have a great deal of time to sit and think about anything other than how exhausting it was, hod carrying back in the day. No cranes, nothing lifting your pallet of bricks up. It was all from the ground, concrete blocks, bricks, muck, all day long. But I'd see a lot of people just sort of mooching about, looking at their feet, thinking, fucking hell, how come I'm doing all the work? But what I'm thinking is when you was on a building site and you haven't got bullets flying past your head, did you have time to get lost in your own head, in your own thoughts? Yeah, and a couple of times, like, you know, you'd sit there just like, I mean, like, you'd sit there just having your dinner and you'd just kind of zone out a bit.
41:17It's just like, you know, I used to speak to the lads about it and stuff like that, like give a couple of my good mates a call and that. But, yeah, it's just, you just kind of, I don't know, it's weird. you just kind of get going. I just wanted to ignore it and just get on with things. And one lad phoned me up crying. This is going to go against me, this myself, you know. Well, I think I'm just trying to do him a favour. He phoned me up crying, said he doesn't know what to do. You know, I can't get worse, I'm struggling. At the time, I just told him, I said, listen, I'll tell you what you need to do.
41:50He said, before you put this phone down, I said, stop being a little bitch and you just need to get on with it and get going. and then I put the phone down there. I didn't hear from him for ages and then he phoned me back and he said to me, he said, mate, I'm so glad that you said that to me. I needed that push. But I felt pretty bad for that. Sometimes though, man, tough love is the realest love. If you get someone sort of buying into that sense of reality as well, yeah, okay, I feel the same or, you know, let's dwell on it. It just gets worse. It just gets worse. You just affirm to yourself that you're miserable and unhappy and then I've lost friends that have ended up topping themselves.
42:31I've lost seven up to now, yeah, seven really good lads. What about the rate of suicide from soldiers? Oh, it's horrendous, isn't it? I mean, even back there, I've just come back from a rat there. So we had three people, three years. So two shots themselves in the head and the other one hung himself off the door. It doesn't get made the fuss of that it should do. Three years ago, I lost a mate of mine called Bomber and he hung himself and, well, he tried it twice. A new bomber. Did you? No, I don't know him, yeah. Well, I might as well put it out. I mean, he was good stuff. Yeah, brilliant. Bare knuckle boxer, big fella, lovely fella.
43:07All of his money for every fight went to charity. He didn't take a penny. So before he hung himself the second time, which took all the Valium and then done himself, he was working as a mercenary as well at the time, freelance soldier. the time before he told me this is how he was feeling i was like mate just let's get on some kind of health tip running exercise keep your mind busy positive affirmations and then he sent me a picture he said i tried to do it and i wasn't too sure if it was just a cry out for help or if he actually meant it and then he sent me a picture of a wooden banister with rope around it but the banister had snapped because it couldn't take his weight and he used these words and i'm hoping that these resonate with someone in case someone is actually, they've tried it and they've failed because you've got enough.
43:55And even a cry out for help means help, so fucking help them. But he used this word that will stick with me forever, Bomber. He said it was perfect. He said it was perfect, this whole set up to hang himself. And I thought that was harrowing. And then we all sort of come together to support him and help him out. But I think when someone's got it in their head, and then he was successful, wasn't he? Men's mental health, innit? It doesn't really get looked at, does it? I mean, like, you know, you get a Pride month. You know, where's the Mental Health Month? Yeah, where's the Lost Soldiers Month? You know what I mean?
44:28We get one day for remembrance and all that, but, you know. It's just one of them things we just deal with, don't we? We just got to get on with it. We're not going to start pissing and moaning about having days here. And how are you mentally? Me? And how have you been since? Because I'm assuming that you don't drink so much. No, no, I don't drink. I mean, it's in miss, really, when I drink. I mean, I can have a couple of bottles. Bottles of what? Yeah. Well, when I'm with a wife, like when I'm with a wife and I don't drink, I've made some doozies, man. Are you a live wire when you're pissed? Yeah.
45:08God. I've made some bad errors. Any really memorable ones that the audience might be interested in? Oh, I apologise. Chelsea. Yeah, so my wedding was an absolute disaster. Oh, now we're talking. This is podcast material. Yeah, it was. This is podcast material. It was really bad. You know, I'll never live it down to this day. Did you ruin the day? I think I did ruin the day. I got angry. One of the fellas who was there really annoyed me, and I kind of sin red. Went behind the bar, picked up a bottle of champagne, went to bash it over his head and then when a lad's grabbed it it was brutal then I went outside I was going to smash his car Was this before or after you'd done the speech?
45:58This was after this was after everything was going perfect yeah this was I'll never live that down How well did you know him? He was one of my brothers Yeah he was one of well not my brother family brother one of my one of my operating mates he was just a shocking drunk. How did he take it? I can't blame him. I mean, it's me. I can't blame him for everything. I mean, misunderstanding. I don't know. I don't know what happened. What was the misunderstanding? It was crazy, like, because we were just talking and all of a sudden he got on top of me because big fella, like, big lump, like 18 stones, a big lump.
46:44Obviously, Jiu-Jitsu, and that got me in a bit of risk control and literally pinned me, like, on the sofa. Like, I got right in my face. I think I just shit myself. You know what I mean? I'm picturing, like, you're feeling billeted on your wedding day. Yeah, I did, yeah. So I think that's what it is. Three of them off, run to the bar, went to grab a bottle of champagne. I mean, you'll never forget your wedding. Oh, mate. Nor he. I can't apologise enough for that. I really can't. What about the wife? Did you still manage to consummate the marriage that night? it was it was an ideal she loves me it wasn't good like it wasn't i'll never live that down i've always said to her i said we'll we'll have another one and we'll do it abroad somewhere nice we'll proper so she didn't fall for divorce the next morning to be honest she's had many reasons but she's she's she's she calls herself the war horse like you know she's great she's she's me rock she's great and plus got my little daughter as well she's brilliant like but after everything you'd seen in afghan you went back to libya yeah yeah after afghan you still thought i'll have some more of this what made you go back well it's funny because and how did it compare when you're a soldier like when you've been a soldier and then you come into and then you go into the construction you're urging to have a weapon in your hands again because you want that kind of like construction's all right i mean there's just no guns there yeah pretty much yeah and a yearn for the chaos like yeah but uh yeah so i finished my course and then first i started in basra and then left basra and then yeah went to work and this is a mercenary yeah yeah and how different over two i'm not gonna of lie to you now so this is this is my whole kind of spiel on cultures so there is good people in these countries but it is run badly I mean it's it's chaos I mean for instance in Basra I mean that I'd say that's going that are going back in time because there was a so they lowered the age back to nine.
48:56What, age of consent? Age of consent. They lowered it back. What was it? What was it? I'm sure it was 11 or 12. This happened 2025. I think it was May the 15th. So they lowered it and three women, you know, powerful women, said, we don't want this. And they put them in cages and set them on fire. So this is, this is what I mean about cultures. I mean, this was, and Libya, I mean, Libya's a wild west. Libya is just, it is militia everywhere. You know, you work with the militia groups. I mean, when you work there, you have to work with the militia groups because they do your vehicle kind of security moves.
49:40So they'll be on the gun trucks and stuff. We have the Janzo Knights at the time, yeah, and you'll be speaking to them at night. So you'll hear like an RPG go off. People are like, what was that, Mohammed? They'll be like, our wedding. It's not a wedding. because they're all fighting for land from each other. Right. You're in the middle of a kind of a militia war, basically. So Libya is equally as dangerous? Libya is insane. I mean, bringing Libyans to a civilised country is... Not going to work. It's not going to work. And this is through lived experience, you're saying? This is lived experience, this.
50:14Describe your average Libyan to me. Poor, desperate.
50:22They have to do crime to make money. But there's no one to rob. They either have to go join a militia or I feel sorry for the women. But women, women are brutalised. Really? Women are brutalised. I mean, it's not a good place for a woman. Did you witness anything like any fully grown men talking to really young children over there? I mean, when you're out, you're in and out. You're in and out. You don't hang around for long. I mean, like, if you're out in the cars, Unless you've got big bull bars on your cars. I mean, if you're stuck in traffic and you're stuck there for too long, you're just going to push your way out of it.
51:00Here's a question. Because you've got to act responsibly if they're civilians and they're not armed. And bear in mind you're in their country and the legal age of consent is nine. But we still know that that's beyond the pale, to say the very least. And if we was in the UK, if we saw a fully grown man talking to a nine-year-old on the street, he wouldn't be conscious for very long. If you was in Libya and you was, you know, bouncing around and you saw a fully grown man propositioning a 9, 10, 11-year-old, how would you have acted in that scenario? Within the law? Sadly, I mean, you're in a sticky place if you're starting getting involved in their culture.
51:41When there's only four you're out. I mean, a very sticky situation. You're not wanted there as it is. And these militia groups are brutal. They're brutal. What are we talking? Torture, beheadings? Torture, beheadings, whatever it is. I mean, they just want money. They'll kidnap you straight away and they'll just want money, money, money. Did you not feel scared out there? No, you've always had a longer pistol on you. And you've got your team as well. But they kind of... When you see you, they don't really want to mess around you. I mean, like, if you're getting shot at in Libya, it's usually in the crossfire of a kind of two gangs fighting as well.
52:19They'll just change targets and all. There's a nice shiny car there. But yeah, Libya, it's just militia everywhere. There's no law. So just summarise Libya for me and people watching and listening before I ask you about your community protection group. Just summarise Libya and then I want to move on to that because this is very interesting and commendable. Yeah, so basically Libya is run by militia groups. When we were there anyway, it was run by militias. And the strongest militia is the biggest militia. and what their militia groups do at night is they go around robbing and stealing from the local population.
52:55Robbing, stealing, raping, whatever it is they do. Because when we were there, the army got voted to come in and clear them out. But these militia groups, five of them, they were all fighting at the same time. But as soon as they heard that, they all got around the table and said, I tell you what, when the army come in, we'll get together and we'll team up and we'll fight them. So then it was just chaos. And what sort of money do you earn as a mercenary? Is it a day rate? Yeah, a day rate. It's probably about 280, 290. Which is more than the military, I'd imagine. Oh, way more. Oh, God. I'm not going to lie to you now.
53:33Is that the allure of the money? Money and the lifestyle is crazy. So people always say to me, oh, you know, when you're not home with your family and stuff and you never see them, but I'm not going to lie to you, when you're away, it actually creates a stronger bond. you know because you always have that missed feeling like do you know what I mean so I think it does relationships well it does for me anyway because I'm a bit of a handful yeah and your family probably never know if you're going to come back alive oh I know yeah me mum bless her like she just knows like because I've got moves to get up to Nigeria and stuff and that's going to be the man so you're still doing the freelance I've come away from that because this idea we've got and this plan we've got is going to be something the UK needs most.
54:24This is the Community Protection Group. This is it. This is Street Patrol stuff. We are going to host events, right? And at the moment, as you probably know, the confidence and the level of hope that our communities have got at the moment, because we're constantly getting slammed. Don't do this. Don't put that up. Don't do that. But every other community can thrive. So obviously what we've got as well, we've got a big problem with the boats. Let's be real here. I mean, we can't ignore it anymore. I mean, you know, all the crime stats are through the roof. It's official now women and girls are under attack.
55:02I mean, women and girls are our lifeblood. I mean, without women and girls, me and you wouldn't be sat in. So if there's any reason to do anything good for the UK, that's what it is. I mean, I've got tier one medics. I've got a full team right behind me on this. We are going to train and educate people on these events that we put out. We're going to educate them on what's actually happening. Now, I've spoke to a lawyer about this, and he's told me, he said, you can't do disinformation. So we're going to educate people on what's actually happening in the UK. Open source, and we're going to give tactical plans on how to deal with potential terrorist attacks or man running out of HMO with a knife and attacking people.
55:54We're going to show people self-defence. We're going to have self-defence stands. We're going to have first aid stands. We're going to have tactics with me, and we're going to run it like an exercise. And what we need is a community now. And this is the main thing. We need to come in together because we're kind of losing our kind of community spirit, not due to our own fault, but the UK is changing. We all know the UK is changing. When did rape become a normal, everyday thing? That's the most heinous of crimes, that and murder. And when did the person that condemns the rapist become the criminal.
56:35This is what I mean, yeah. That's fucking nuts. What are we doing? It's embarrassing. We need to, that's how we're going to do it. And when we do these events, it's going to bring communities together. And I've noticed this from the army. So how you create a strong bond is you put a group of people through arduous tasks. Some might be fit, some might not be fit, some might be clever, some might not be. But they can only finish these tasks as a group and as a team. So it's going to be boot camp style as well. It's going to be boot camp style, yeah. But they're going to be learning, they're going to be educating.
57:11And with learning and doing the training, it will automatically give them confidence because people don't know in this life what to do in the Terrace of SAC. We've even got a policeman on the books as well. Yeah, who's going to be leadership level? Who can we expect? So men like yourself that have served. So there's going to be me, there's going to be loads of operating lads, lads who have worked in Mogadishu, lads who have worked in Libya, lads who have worked in Afghan, lads who have worked in London. It's like a whole plethora of people. And they're all going to bring their own experiences to it.
57:47So we want people to understand that, yes, not all people are bad on the boat, but there is bad people on them boats. And we want people to understand the culture that comes with it. because we don't get told about the culture, do we? No, you explained it quite well when we were discussing Libya and the culture in Afghan as well. Afghanis, are they of similar ilk? So you've got different parts to Afghan, so this is what I never understood. I understand influencers doing their own thing, but when you've got the bloke influencers going over to Afghan saying it's safe, this is safe, that, it's not.
58:24It's not safe. And they're giving people a false kind of narrative there. If he went to Nadi Ali, he'd be dead that day. You know, once they found out they can't get any money for him, he'd be dead that day. And what would happen to his daughter if he went there that day? Oh, raped. He'd probably wouldn't even be murdered, just be raped. And these are the people coming in that are unvetted? This is what I don't understand. So I understand legal immigration. For a story, for instance, so when my daughter was born, she had suspected meningitis. And two Indian ladies looked after a 12-hour shift and a neonatal.
59:0312-hour shift, brilliant. They were fantastic. But they come over with documents. They come over with a skill, what we needed. How is it people are coming over on boats, throwing the documentation? The reason they throw that documentation away, right, is because they're either on a list for Interpol or Europol. Why would you throw your documentation away? No. Because you're up to summit. Throwing their phones in the water. Throwing their phones in the water because they know they get another one at the other end. Well, yeah, these are, I'm not saying at all, there might be a couple of good ones, but how can we differentiate as a country and keep our country safe by letting these people in?
59:43You can't. It's insane that the level of illegal migration has got to such a point where you're putting together a community patrol group that's going to be boot camp style to teach people how to respond to a terror attack or a knife attack. Yeah, this is where it boils down to. We've got two lines of defence, haven't we? So the government and the police. And when the police aren't doing what they're meant to be doing, I'm not saying they're all bad. I don't know, they're probably going to knock at the door now. I'm not saying they're all bad, but let's look in here. I mean, like, I work very closely with the pink ladies.
1:00:15They're brilliant. They've shown me some videos of them protesting that. The police are just paying them lip service. There's, like, people in wheelchairs and stuff like that. I just, you know, just sat there and the police are just stood there doing nothing. I thought that the community he was putting together was going to include street patrols as well. Oh, so it's going to be, I want to get everyone in on this. I want to bring every single man and his dog, because what we need to do is we need to. Some would call that vigilante work. I wouldn't, I'd call it God's work. Yeah. But you're going to get all the woke degenerates saying, you know, acting like vigilantes and they'll want to stomp that out.
1:00:50They can stomp what they want. I'm prepared for anything. I think we need, what we need at the moment is we need this coordinating properly. You know what I mean? We need to, like, help each other out. I mean, we can train people, no problem. You know, because some street patrols, I think they're doing great, great work. I mean, I'm late to the game. Some of them lads have been out there. I think this is when you know there's a problem in the UK. This is where you know people have lost hope in the police, when communities have to do it themselves. And has the protection group already been launched?
1:01:22Is it already underway? So it's me and Mike, your mate, we're sorting all that out, yeah. So we're looking at the first event going to be in August. Okay. So we've got Jiu-Jitsu guys. We've got an English boxing champion. They're going to do self-defence. Got myself for tactics. I'm going to bring a few of my boys. We've got T1 medics. They're going to take people for it. And what we're going to do is we're going to actually do like live exercises, kind of like dummy play exercises, like just in case, what would you do in this situation? Because people don't know. People have lived in like little peaceful villages and then all of a sudden there's an hotel park with 500 people and then problems come with it.
1:02:08And is there a website or an Instagram page or something that I can put in the description so people can find you? Community Protection Group it is, yeah. That's up and running. Okay, well, I'll put that in the description. So through your whole life experience, and how old are you, by the way? 38. 38 years on this planet. Seen and done a fair bit. A lot of it chaos, brutal violence. Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the future of this country? At the moment, pessimistic. What this country needs is strong political will. Now, me, my opinion on this is they want these boats to come. Because if you've got to think about it, I mean, So, for instance, the Marines were okay taking over a Russian ship in the Channel, but they're not okay taking rubber dingy.
1:02:59So that, to me, someone's making money, aren't they? That's how I see it. This is definitely a planned, an orchestrated invasion. This hasn't happened by accident. Oops, there's another 1 ,000 migrants. All clumsy, there's another 1 ,000. It's shocking. and it's shocking that there's people that still aren't shocked about it. People just need to wake up. This isn't, you know, this isn't like, you know, a big attack on, you know, the left or the right. I mean, this needs to be discussed. I mean, the stats are through the roof. Every single day I turn my phone on. I've got women phoning me up on my phone crying their eyes out because they can't leave their house at night.
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1:04:23They've never needed cameras there. They've never needed anything. So it's like a big need for change, really. I mean, it's becoming... There's certain places now my daughter couldn't go. I've got a stepdaughter, but she's now 17. I think if I had a daughter younger than that, are being a constant state of anxiety. Yeah, and this is her country. It's, you know, it's just getting thrown away. So, you know, this isn't a vigilante group. This is normal communities. We need a community back. You know, it's gone to the old days, you know, when you speak to your neighbour, but you don't speak to your next door but one.
1:05:01Everyone needs to be in now. You know, if every community speaks to each other, and let's just say there is two chaps just sat there in the park, everyone in the community knows about it. Yes. You know, everybody knows. Like, I used to, there used to be a place called Burton Woods. And it's a village. And, I mean, it don't matter who you are. I mean, if you're not known there, everyone knows you're there. It's like, we need kind of that. It's sad, really, in a way that we need that because we've never needed that. You know, it's like, so, for instance, I don't want my country to be unsafe for my daughter or anyone, anyone else's daughter.
1:05:41or wife or anything. It pains me when I hear of some woman who's been brutally raped or brutally attacked by some fellow who shouldn't be here. I mean, how many sacrifices does it take before this stops? And I'm the first to say, in fact, this is my go-to. We've got enough of our own homegrown scumbags that we need to deal with. And for as long as we've got these illegals committing these crimes, crimes from our own community are going to get overlooked because our eyes are elsewhere. Like, let us deal with our own scum first. In fact, just period, because that's a lifetime of management. So we could go on forever on this subject.
1:06:26I'm sure we can. So where can people find you as well? People that have watched and enjoyed what you've got to say, want to follow your journey. You've got some contact details. Send me on Instagram, Eddie Ellis, CPG, and Community Protection Group. Sound. I will put Eddie's details in the description if you want to give him a follow, see where the journey takes him. Like and subscribe to the channel, please, so we can keep bringing you these conversations, because you know that the mainstream, as soon as you mention illegal migration and putting a stop to the rape of our children, they just don't want to speak about it.
1:07:00where on this channel we most certainly will and we will not shy away from anything. And mate, I wish you all the luck in the world and this group, I'm going to get right behind. I'm going to plug it when you launch. This is when this interview will go out. So thank you for sharing it with me. Brilliant. Cheers, mate. Nice one.
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British Army veteran and mercenary Eddy Ellis sits down for one of the most raw, unfiltered conversations you’ll hear. From chaotic youth and near-jail time to the Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment, Iraq, and the absolute hell of Afghanistan.He talks about the “blood rage” killing that saw a fellow soldier murder his 8-month pregnant wife and unborn child the moment he got home. The alcohol, own lives taken, the desensitisation to corpses, and why so many never recover.Then the mercenary years in Basra and Libya — militias, beheadings, women burned alive in cages, and a culture he says the UK is sleepwalking into.Now he’s launching the Community Protection Group: training ordinary people in tactics, self-defence, first aid and how to respond to knife attacks or terror threats to give ordinary people the skills the system no longer guarantees, because, in his words, “the UK is changing”Proudly sponsored by Change - the number 1 online business and e-commerce mentoring program. Find Ryan on Instagram to start your journey to financial freedom: https://www.instagram.com/ryanjb/ 🔔 𝐃𝐨𝐧'𝐭 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐮𝐛𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐛𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐲 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐥 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐮𝐩𝐝𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬.🔗 Stay Connected With Me.Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liamtuffsfb Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/liamtuffs/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/liamtuffs1 X: https://x.com/liamtuffs1 Eddy online:https://www.instagram.com/eddy.elliscpg/ 📩 For business enquiries: thedozenpod@gmail.com =============================✅ About Liam Tuffs.The Dozen with Liam Tuffs is a no holds barred podcast channel, where True Crime, Celebrity, Politics, Current Affairs, Combat Sports & Comedy are amongst the topics discussed! I sit down with some of the most fascinating and controversial characters including ex-gangsters, comedians, bare knuckle fighters, boxers, celebrities, and politicians to bring you raw & unfiltered conversations.From underworld secrets and true crime confessions to fighter career insights and the dark side of fame, I discuss the stories most people are afraid to tell. These aren't just interviews - they're real, gripping, and often shocking accounts from those who've lived it, survived it, and have nothing left to hide. If you're into true crime, fighter journeys, and untold celebrity stories, join me as I discuss the truth behind the headlines!Hit subscribe, so you don’t miss an episode.
