Who Controls The World? The Elites' SECRET Societies: Jaymie Icke

27:51I mean, you should see his office. There's hundreds and hundreds of books in there, and that's just dropping the ocean of the ones that he's read and digested over the last 30 years. So the knowledge and research and encyclopedia, basically, of information is just incredible. You know, you go back and watch events he did in the early 90s, mid-90s, early 2000s. You pick a random 10 minutes from 10 hours, and you'll go, well, that's happened, or that's in the process of happening, or that was quite prophetic given what's happened in the passage of time since. So having that essentially on tap to phone and talk to and say, this has just happened, this is what I think, what's your take on it?

28:31We have loads of chats like that and it's amazing. It's really, really interesting. What a joy to have such an interesting mentor that is kind of like a walk-in encyclopedia himself. Yeah, well he is because if you think about, you know, the COVID period woke a lot of people up. It got a lot of people to question the world in many ways. One, because people were at home, they had a lot more time to watch stuff. And secondly, they were seeing things with their own eyes and seeing the news and seeing that the two conflicted with each other and were starting to see that whether it was incompetence or whether they believed it was more corruption, they could see things weren't right.

29:06They could see things weren't right. And a lot of influencers and a lot of people with followings then came out of the mainstream media and started to talk about subjects to do with that. And then now I've talked about subjects that you know nothing about. So you've got somebody coming out and talking about what's going on in Russia and Ukraine. When, again, that story dates back a long, long time, that conflict. You've got people talking about digital IDs when they don't actually really know the research behind how long that's been planned. You've got people talking about the war in Gaza without looking at, it didn't start on October 7th.

29:39It started in 1948. hate. Your dad predicted digital IDs a long, long time ago. A long time ago, yeah. And it's all of a sudden now being sold as an answer. And I think I can dive into why I think that's going to be sold as an answer and how I think it's going to be sold. I think what's happened with the... If you were trying to destroy a country, let's just take the UK for example, you wouldn't do much different to what's been done in the last 15 years. Yeah, it's a job well done so far. It really is. And Starmer's doing his best to accelerate it. If you want to destroy a country, you destroy the safety of people on the streets, you open the borders, you overwhelm the healthcare system, you let people get unhealthy and fat, you destroy the food supply, destroy the water supply, and you make education obsolete.

30:22Well, they tick all the above. By losing control of the borders, what you've done, because the natural demographic on the right of centre, if you like, the people that are very much, you know, patriotic, want the government to be as small as possible, the influence they have over your lives to be as little as possible, you get on with it, free trade, open market, capitalist type society, they would have opposed digital IDs. Don't like that. It's intrusive. I don't need it. I don't want it. They would impose, you know, the CCTV everywhere. They would oppose biometric security, all those things that we're seeing run out.

30:54They would oppose it all. So you lose control of the borders. And one of the big arguments is we don't know who's here. We don't know where they've come from. We don't know what they did back home. We don't know anything about these people. There's and we don't know who they are. We need digital ID because we need to know who everyone is. All of a sudden, those people that would have opposed it are now going, I don't like it, but if it solves that problem, I can get on board with it. And what happened a week or so ago, the BRIT card or Britannia card reform come out and announce, which is digital ID.

31:27Exactly what digital ID is. The BRIT card. What's your views on reform and Farage? I think they are the systems acceptable alternative. I don't think they're an alternative. in any way, shape or form. I think this Britain's version of Donald Trump, which is it's getting a cult type figure like Farage, who's seen as this kind of hero to many. And it's getting him and reform to put forward the policies that if Labour did, people would call out. You've seen it across America. Kamala Harris had won the last election and done half the things Trump's done. People would have been up in arms. The MAGA movement would have been up in arms.

32:02Imagine if Kamala Harris said, there's no Epstein files. There's no Epstein files. there was no list. People would have been going, well, you're just covering up your mates. Trump's done it and you still see the MAGA lot justifying it. And I think you would see the same with Farage. You know, because people are so tribal even now with politics and with everything. They're so tribal and they have a blind spot when they think their side's in charge. When they think they're winning and they think, you know, my side's in charge so therefore they're doing something good. Even though what they're doing, if the other side that you don't like were doing the same thing, you'd be shouting.

32:35So keep shouting. So I think, you know, with this potential for a reformed government, I think it's really dangerous because, not because I think Labour are any good, not because I think the Conservatives are any good, but I think under Labour what we're seeing now is people are calling it out. People are shouting from the rooftops about the things they don't like. And people under Biden were doing the same. They've stopped doing it in America. They've stopped shouting about the things they don't like because they think they're guys in charge. So do you think Trump's a puppet? Completely. Who for?

33:01Well, you've only got to look at who bailed him out a number of times when he was in massive financial difficulty. And you only got to look at his attitude towards AIPAC in Israel. And he doesn't give them everything they want, more so than any other president in history. And one of the big things that the so-called alt-right or so-called right, Christian right in America were opposing or have over the years is the involvement of AIPAC and foreign lobbies and the Israeli regime in American politics. Yeah. Trump's literally doing everything for them. First term, he moved the embassy to Jerusalem and created all of that.

33:39And in this one, he's literally given them a green light to do everything they want. And, you know, to the point that so many are saying, you know, America first, well, it's Israel first. And it is. The fact that you've got the defense minister, when he was asked about things he cares about, when he took office, he went down the freedom of Israel. I was like, sorry, you're the American Defence Minister. Imagine if, you know, over here, Starmer was asked, what do you most care about? He went, oh, French security. People would be going, what are you on about? You're the British Prime Minister. You should be Britain first if you're there.

34:11But they're not. But if it was the other way around, they would be if it was a different side in charge. So I think Trump's owned completely. I think the reason the Epstein files haven't come out is because his name's on them. There's a lot of evidence to show that he was on flights. He was on the island. It was commonly known. He was friends with Epstein. so he'd have at best known what he was doing and did nothing about it, whether he was involved, I don't know. He knows, I don't. But he was certainly friends with him. And, you know, if we're asking questions of Prince Andrew's friendship, why was no one asking questions of his friendship?

34:42What did you think of Elon Musk's tweet when he said that Donald Trump is on the flight list? I think that's true. I think it's true and I think... Because some people think that feud is staged. I think it's staged. But see, when I read that, I thought, okay, there's one thing staging a feud, but surely you've got to say something that's not so damaging that you can't come back from. And when I read that, we know what Elon Musk is insinuating. So I think, how can they ever come back from that? So yeah, but more importantly, what are your thoughts on that whole thing? Well, I think it depends what you think the outcome is.

35:13If you know what the outcome is, you can look at the events leading up to it that go, okay, well, that's going to lead to that, lead to that, lead to that. That's going to lead to the outcome. so I don't think Donald Trump is actually who they want in power I think they want J.D. Vance in power I don't think Vance would have won an election of his own back because if you look at his connections Peter Thiel who's one of the PayPal mafia as they were called with with Musk and a massive funder of AI agent AI related things he is funded J.D. Vance's political career he's funded him basically into a position to be the vice president you look at the connections he has with AIPAC, the connections he has into Israel and so on, he's significantly more connected than Donald Trump.

35:53He probably wouldn't have won the election. But if something happens to Trump now, where he's either taken out or he has to resign or whatever, Vance becomes president. Also, off the back of a presidency with Trump, he's in a much bigger position to run them for the next one because Trump can't run again. So if that's an outcome, I'm not saying that is, I'm saying that's a theory, that's an idea. If that's the outcome you want, then all of a sudden And creating doubt in people's mind about Trump, creating a conflict around him, that's only going to help. So I think it's staged in the sense of Trump and Musk might not like each other.

36:27Very easy. You've got two quite egotistical people in a room. I'm sure there is a dislike. But I would say they both work for the same people, ultimately. So that dislike will be put aside for the benefit of the agenda. We've seen that over the years. Obama and Netanyahu clearly didn't like each other. but they still work together for the benefit of the agenda. So I would say this is staged in the sense of, you know, he came out a few weeks ago, a couple of days after he left and started saying things. Then he backed down. Then he's come out again. He said he's going to start a new political party as well.

37:01And it's just, it's kind of like just taking shots at Trump, taking little shots at him. Do you think Elon Musk has got a deeper purpose? I think he's there to do what I was saying about bringing in the things that people would oppose, bringing it in through their side, if you like, like with reform. I think he's that for the AI agenda. And what impact is AI going to have on our future lives, do you think? I think if it carries on at the pace and the people that are running it get what they want, in a decade's time, we'll be sat there with chips in your brain. And that's not a conspiracy theory.

37:35That is actually what they are talking about. And Musk being one of them. He's got a company called Neuralink that do exactly that. They put chips in people's brains. And what's that for? So he's been so inconsistent over the years of AI. He's come out and said AI could be the end of humanity. But then he's come out and said, but we have to merge with it to save ourselves. It doesn't make any sense. They're two completely conflicting statements. He's talked about the fact that AI will become smarter than humans and therefore will be obsolete and pointless. And in a sense, having it in your brain will allow us to keep up.

38:04It will allow us to survive. It will allow us to thrive. So you won't have to think anymore. because the second you even comprehend something, it's there. That information's there, which some people will listen to and say that sounds great. But to me that goes, well, you've got no free thought then. Because if you've got a computer, for example, which is essentially what this chip will be, the computer does what you tell it to do. It's not going to think for itself, whereas we can think for ourselves. We can call BS on something that we know isn't true. We can ask questions on something that we don't understand.

38:33Whereas if you've got a chip that's constantly feeding you your thoughts, constantly feeding you information. The whole concept that... It's like a brain algorithm, isn't it? Essentially, yeah. The whole concept that this new vaccine comes out and you go, I don't know if I want that. Imagine if you couldn't even comprehend that thought. Imagine if you couldn't even have that thought. You just turn up, you do it. You can't even comprehend resisting or challenging. And again, that's not a conspiracy theory. That's what futurists at places like Google, who are obviously massively high-end when it comes to AI, they've been talking about for a very long time.

39:04There's a guy called Ray Kurzweil, who's a Google executive and he's a futurist. That's what his job role is, which is to basically plan and predict future technological advancements. And he said by 2030, we'll have cloud-powered minds, which is a terrifying thought. Turning us all into human MacBooks. Cyborgs, basically. You know, hybrids, in a sense, which if you'd have said that 20 years ago, people would have been like, even an iPhone out yet, mate, what are you on about? Terry Wogan would have had something to say about that, wouldn't he? He would have. And I think this is why the technology agenda has been so targeted on the young.

39:39Because you'll have people now that are 10 years old that will listen to what I've just said and go, sounds great, I love it. What do you mean? That sounds amazing. Whereas we can look back at our age and go, well, I can remember life before a mobile. I can remember running around, climbing trees in the holidays, not sat in front of a phone all day. I can remember life before a Sega Mega Drive when it was basic as hell. Now it's insane. but these younger people don't. They don't have that passage of experience, of life, and that's why they've been so targeted while they're so young to get them addicted to technology.

40:12And I'm not sat here thinking technology is bad. You know, with people listening to us now all over the world, without technology that couldn't happen. That's amazing. But I think the dynamic's gone towards the master, not the servant, which, you know, if technology is your servant, fine, it can enrich your life, it can benefit your life, you can do things that you wouldn't have been able to do before, you can reach people like we are, There's people that have walked that would have never walked again because of the technology advancements in medicine and so on. So I'm not anti-technology. I'm anti-controlling everything.

40:40Do you think TikTok is a threat to the West? Well, I think it's no coincidence that the TikTok they have in China is different to the TikTok we have in the West in terms of what it promotes, the algorithms it promotes. What it feeds the young minds. Yeah, like you were saying before we started about the TikTok mentality of everything has to be yesterday. Everything has to be so quick. You have to goldfish basically three seconds or I don't have your attention. to me that is so dangerous because what it's done is it's lost the ability for people to have an actual conversation to actually talk to each other and that's affecting everything it's affecting young people's ability to get jobs to integrate into society it's affecting people's ability to date to actually talk to each other because now you're swiping left, swiping right you're rewriting your message ten times pulling birds from your bedroom exactly that's just fucking weird it's so dangerous in my opinion and also like you asked there about what are they promoting they're promoting really degenerative stuff they're promoting your bonnie blues that's what you should aspire to as a young girl that's the pinnacle of feminism look at it she's got a blue Ferrari you can see what she's actually doing to get that you know if you want to get rich and famous it's not hard but Ricky Gervais said years ago he was asked how he became famous he went kill a prostitute literally it's as dark as it sounds and he got loads of stick for it but it's true I never know he said that he got loads of stick for it because people took it out of context but it was making the point I bet they did Jack the Ripper is as famous as hell.

41:58Yorkshire Ripper was famous as hell. If all you're trying to do is become famous, who cares how you do it? That was the principle. And she's an example of that. And there'll be young girls that are sat watching that, aspiring to that. They'll see the life that she's got, in the sense of the money and the fame, and think, I can get that if I do this. And I think that's not by accident. That's so dangerous. And by design. It's very concerning to think that foreign men with a completely different mindset coming from a very different culture, certainly how they perceive women, are landing in the UK, getting handed a phone, going on social media, seeing Western women getting rowed by a thousand men in a day.

42:38That's automatically programming them into thinking, is this how it operates over here? Puts everyone in grave danger. I've interviewed Bonnie Blue, but I certainly, it wasn't to, if anything, she platform me. Most famous woman probably in the world and people said, why are you platforming Bonnie Blue? I said, she's actually platforming me, but I'm challenging her. I'm asking her, Have you really thought this through? What you're doing is, well, it's fucking beyond compare. It's outrageous. And not only are you putting other people in danger, including the young lads that are lining up to go through her, because in 10 years' time, I guarantee those 18-year-olds are going to regret doing that because they've got to marry somebody, but also her mental health, where's she going to end up?

43:16I'd imagine in a crack den somewhere in a very serious state. But on that note, who do you think controls the world and what's the chain of command? That's a segue, isn't it? Very naturally done, wasn't it? I don't think it's one person. And I think if the... Hypothetically, I'd say there's 10 people. I think if they've walked in this room right now, we wouldn't recognise any of them. I think real power doesn't lie in elected officials. Because if you wanted to control something, why would you put yourself on public display where you can have shots taken at you? So even figures like Bill Gates and George Soros and Klaus Schwab and all these people we look at as influential people, I would say they're still not the tip of the iceberg, not even nearly the tip of the iceberg.

43:57I'd say there's people above them. You've got families like the Rothschild family, the Rockefeller family, I'd say that are pretty high up the food chain. And would you say that was the deep state? Well, the deep state is what's always there. Put it in a pyramid for me. Okay. So I'd say you've got a few families right at the top. I'd say the Rothschilds, Rockefeller's probably pretty high on that list, whether they're the top level, but I'd say they're up there. I'd say that then filters down into, to apply it simply to every single country, who's always there? The military are always there, the civil service are always there.

44:29No matter who the government is, those people are in positions of power. Anyone that's in a position where they're not elected, they're selected, and they don't have to face a ballot box, their work and what they carry out is not scrutinised in the same way that politicians would be. That's what I would say the deep state is. So to break it down simply for the UK, I was having this conversation with a friend of mine last week who's good friends with Kwasi Kwerting, the former chancellor under this trust, right? And he was explaining to me the influence the civil service have in this country. So he was saying, so a minister takes a role.

45:00So obviously, let's say the example he gave me was the energy minister, so the environment minister, so Ed Miliband at the moment, although he's very much happy to do this. But you sit down with the civil service on your first day in office, and they would give you six options. And because the civil service is inherently left-leaning, quite woke, quite ideological in that respect. They'll give you six options that are all green. So no matter what you pick, the ultimate agenda to take the country into a green way, which isn't green, which targets carbon dioxide, targets renewables, you're doing that whatever you choose.

45:35Unless you're a minister that's got a bit about you that's going, no, I've campaigned on this and I'm doing that, in which case they'll destroy you. Then you're just doing what they're telling you. You might have the ministerial role, you might be stood in parliament giving the speech. Does anyone really think Rachel Reeve sat down and came up with all these tax policies? Her advisors did. The civil servants around her did. She's just reading them out. Puppet. Puppet, complete puppet. And governments are like that. Governments are that. And Trump would have the same principle. He'd have people around him that are telling him what to do.

46:04All those people in positions of apparent power would. And it goes back to the conversation we were having at the start about if you're willing to sell your soul, to remain famous, to remain relevant, to remain in a position of influence and fame and fortune. Politicians do the same. You want to remain in charge or remain prime minister, this is what you're going to do. If you want to rally against that, you want to stand up against something, we'll make sure we'll manufacture a scandal, we'll manufacture polls, we'll have a run on the currency. I'm not a fan at all, but they got rid of Liz Truss because she wasn't who they wanted.

46:34The conservative members voted for the wrong person. They wanted Rishi Sunak in charge, but the members voted for her. So then as soon as she got into position of power, the first thing they were going to do was make sure it didn't last very long, which is what they did. You know, you look at the fiscal situation that led to the run on the pound. Well, it's worse now. So why is there not a run on the pound? Because they're quite happy with Starmann in a position of power. So, you know, the impact that the military officials, the deep state, whether that be the civil servants, whether that be the banking system, the impact they have on politicians, and they are not elected.

47:07That's what I'd say the deep state is, the permanent government, the people that are always there, the think tanks. And like I said again earlier, you've got the underground bases. The presidents and prime ministers are not allowed to know what happens in them. So who decides what happens there? Who's over that? And it's those people. That's concerning. Very concerning. Their security clearance isn't higher enough. The US president, the 16 security clearance is higher than his. Wow. What's the new world order? The new world order for me is the change of the balance of power from west to east. So we've spoken a bit about the destruction of the West, whether that be societal, whether that be financial, whether that be the demographics of the West, both here and America.

47:48We've seen huge change to the demographics and therefore the culture. Militarily, you've got American military forces having Transgender Day. Do you think the Russians do that? Do you think the Chinese do that? Of course they don't. And we've also seen the balance of power with the BRICS movement move a lot of money to the east to that russia china iran uh block sat the saudis obviously having a much bigger influence as well and i think that that new world order is to move that power towards the east because if you think about if you want to change a society the easiest way to do that is to have a conflict and then whoever decide that you want to win the society that is most like the one you want to create have them win and then impose that on the rest exactly the same happened after the second world war you know germany was a certain type of state after the second world war it was then a very different type of state japan was the same principle it was very communist wasn't it before uh the second world war and during it afterwards now it's very much western country very similar so if you look at the world and you look at the country who's most like the one they want to create that would be china social credit system facial recognition technology incredibly tight controls by the government and military authoritarian dictatorship essentially where you know your travel your ability to work your ability to everything is very much dependent on whether you're a good little boy and do what the state wants you to do well that's very much the system they want to create hence why over the last few years we have seen a massive military build-up in china they are technologically more advanced i would suggest in the west now so if there is a conflict between those blocks and the west i think the west meant to win this one and then they would impose that on the rest that's the easiest way i to transform society.

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50:57chosen because of the families they come from it just basically comes back to that it's like a a group of families that at the top of that pyramid as i mentioned the top of the wealth pyramid an influence that would be part of what is driving this agenda across the world and on the the world um conflict um thing just to explain to people that haven't heard of albert pike it's really interesting albert pike was a very high level freemason who wrote three letters about three world wars. Now, they were discovered after the first two had happened, but they described what happened and how they started and how they ended.

51:33They described them in great detail with accuracy. But because they were discovered after the Second World War, the kind of validity and credibility of them very much relies on what he wrote about the Third World War and whether that manifests or not. And what he wrote is basically what we're seeing today, which is East versus West. It was what he called political Zionism against the Muslim world, which is what we're seeing. because if it really did kick off in Iran, the rest of the Muslim miles are probably going to come in. China, Russia are probably going to come in as allies with Iran. And you've got that description he described there.

52:03Are we heading for World War III? I think it depends what happens in the next... I think there's not an appetite for it now with people. Have you spoke about this with your dad, for example? Yeah, and I think they want that and they want World War III. And, you know, Einstein perfectly described it as I can't describe what weapons will be used in World War III, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. which is what will happen. If their World War III kicks off properly... It's game over. It's game over. So I don't think the world's going to get destroyed. I'm not a doomsdayer that thinks the world's going to get destroyed.

52:32I'm not saying people aren't going to lose their lives. People are losing their lives as we're saying right now in conflicts around the world. But I don't think we're going to see the complete destruction of the planet, no. Yet there's obviously weapons that can destroy it a thousand times over, although that's another conspiracy I don't know too much about, but there's people that claim whether nukes even exist or whether that's just an illusion to create fear that you could destroy the world, I don't know. I'd love it to be true that they don't exist, but who knows? Yeah, you and me both, it's a great tool for controlling.

53:01Whose idea do you think it is to destroy Britain? Well, I think... And why? Well, I think destroying Britain and America, who have been seen as two of the kind of countries in the West that are the beacons of freedom, if you like. And there's a lot of history about Britain and America that's very, very dark. You know, the way the British Empire behaved around the world is disgraceful in many ways. And what they did in places like India is absolutely abhorrent. But I think there's this sense of national pride in these countries. I think, you know, you see that across Europe in general as well. There's a lot of national pride within countries, or certainly was.

53:39And that's much more difficult to control. It's much more difficult to transform a society where people feel like, you know, no, I'm British, I'm English. This is my country. This is how we behave. These are our values. don't try and change them much more difficult to change that so that's why i would say systematically over the last few decades there's been a real change in the demographics of this country because it's diluted that culture and that's not to do with race that's not to do with ethnicity that's to do with culture it's to do with your belief system and my attitude is the same towards any country in the world whether it's britain whether it's serbia whether it's Croatia, whether it's Japan, whatever, if you are born into a country and you are raised with a certain level of values, a certain way of living, way of dressing, way of behaving, way of looking, whatever, certain attitude towards the world, I don't think it's right for anyone to come in from another country and try and impose a different culture on yours.

54:32I don't think that's right. I say, so I don't believe it's okay for what we're seeing now here in the UK. Equally, I don't believe it's okay for a load of lads from Manchester to move to Benidorm and try and impose British culture there I don't think that's right either so that's fair across the board yeah it's fair across the board you know I mentioned before we started I want to move to Croatia if I do I'll learn the language my kids will learn the language they'll go to a Croatian school will integrate so I respect their culture yeah because that's why I want to live there because I love it I love the culture I don't see the point in moving to a country and then trying to turn it into where you've left because you've left where you've left for a reason so why I don't understand that makes no sense to me also don't see the point in moving into a country and doing nothing but slag it off you know I'm not a fan of Charlie Kirk but he did say very well the other week that America and Britain are the only two countries that people live there hate but never leave very similar yeah we've lost our national pride massively and we wonder why other people sort of piss on it when they come over here like well no one else seems to be proud of this place why should we exactly it's about respect so fundamentally the whole every issue we have right across the globe is about respect really it's about a lack of respect that we're seeing you know for me I don't care what you believe you believe what you believe you live your life how you want to live it just don't impose it on anyone else and don't try and impose it on me if you want to pray five times a day towards mecca you want to go to the mosque you want to raise your kids in a certain way that's fine you do that mate but don't tell me i have to do it the same way don't tell me my wife has to cover her head don't tell me i can't go down that street which is what we're seeing that's the same across across the globe and i think if you're trying to destroy the country which is with we've agreed they are destroying that national identity is so important because people are going to be more reluctant to changes if they've got a real sense of national identity hence why certain countries in eastern europe for example poland's a good example there is still that sense of national identity and therefore the problems we're seeing here they don't have you know you go to eastern europe countries like serbia i mean i love serbia go to croatia we're talking about it's still croatia the culture that dominates is their culture.

56:31It's traditionally their culture. Even down to basic things like the buildings, they're still how they would have been, you know, decades ago. They're not changing. Whereas we're seeing that change. And there's been this whole kind of connection between wanting to put your own nation first and being a racist when that's absolutely insane, especially given my philosophy on it, which is that every country should do the same. That's another psyop, isn't it? Oh, it's a complete psyop. I mean, what they've done though is they've ever played their hand. because like 10 years ago if someone called you a racist you'd have been like why what I said now it's like oh am I good well done thanks because it doesn't mean anything anymore totally lost its favour completely overused it completely overused it in the same way that you know you say I don't think a biological man should be in a cage with a woman at MMA well you're a transphobe no I'm just not a mentalist you know I don't want to sponsor murder I believe in fairness fairness across the board yeah science and biology kind of counts yeah they do they do and I think wanting to wanting to preserve your culture and wanting to have a place that you grew up in still be recognisable a decade on from how it was when you were a kid.

57:37I don't think that's a racist mindset at all. No. Imagine if 100 ,000 of us from this area, indigenous Brits, went and lived in Riyadh and went, by the way, I want to build a church. Oh, couldn't I get a bacon sandwich down the road? How do you reckon that would end for us? You'd probably lose a limb. At best. So it's, you know... That's on a good day. Yeah, on a good day, yeah. So that's all I'm asking is that we have the same across the board. But back to your question about why they're trying to destroy Britain is because if you want to impose this sort of one world government, social credit system, microchip population extreme that they do, you need an end to national identity.

58:12You need an end to a sense of sovereignty that people have within them because there's maps that exist across the EU in particular that talk about the EU being one massive melting pot and countries kind of being gone away with it, being broken into regions rather than countries. So you're not going to do that if you have a sense of your border, you have a sense of your identity. I believe this, I was born this way, this is my philosophy on life, these are my views, my values, I want to raise my family, this is how we live here. You're not going to have that. You're not going to be able to impose that if people have that strong sense of national identity.

58:50So that's why I think that they're trying to destroy Britain and trying to destroy America as well, because people are going to be less resistant to it. Yeah, totally watered down, loss of pride, loss of belief. Yeah. You beat before you're attacked. They've beaten you down so badly. You're now at your weakest point, you're most vulnerable, and then wallop, we're in. Do you think there'll be another pandemic? Quite possibly. Quite possibly. Because I know that you guys predict a lot of things and you look at history to predict the future. Yeah, quite possibly. I mean Was the first one planned?

59:26A hundred percent I don't believe COVID-19 exists for a second I think it was manufactured completely In many different ways From the test being a test that wasn't testing for it And I don't think it's an accident That the guy that made the test Died the year before COVID Kerry Millis Don't believe that's an accident So you've got manufactured cases Creating fear and panic You've got media propaganda You've got the fact that flu disappeared And the number of people that die of flu every year Which staggered most people Most people wouldn't If you sat, suppose most people in the street here, 50 ,000 die in the UK of Fleury.

59:56Most people go, no, they don't. They actually do. All of a sudden, none die. And those COVID cases have simply just replaced those. You've got end-of-life pathways in hospitals. I've interviewed people who lost loved ones who were shut out of hospitals, and they were given end-of-life drugs. They were stopped food, drink during that period. All those people that added to those statistics. You've got people who died, they were hit by a bus, and it said COVID on the death certificate because they tested them when they came in. you know you don't need to do that for a real pandemic for a real pandemic it's obvious and also you know look at the look at the streets during that time look at the shops look at when you when you interact with people there wasn't people dropping down like flies there wasn't that there wasn't people coughing their guts up walking down the street constantly all of which again you'd expect with a real pandemic so I think that's completely like Chinese propaganda do you remember remember when it was first announced and you're looking at your phone and there was people just dropping down dead in China and all in their hazmats and we're thinking oh shit this is coming our way.

1:00:51Yeah you had that you had it in Lombardy as well in Italy and so on and Iran funnily enough was one of the first ones that supposedly had it bad. And they was going around these hospital wings looking at people in like critical conditions I mean it worked for me when it first came out I was like well I wasn't prepared for such an announcement and then to see it all in real time or what we thought was real time on the phone you know whatever they were setting out to achieve if they were setting out to scare people they got me. Not for too long because I didn't get the vaccine and I was at the time living with a nurse who did get the vaccine she had to get the vaccine in order to work but I still it wasn't for me and why do you think what do you think the the conspiracy is there or what was their purpose why do they want so many people vaccined with so many different types oh god that's a there's so many potential answers to that so many potential um explanations for that one will not get us nicked or sectioned or cancelled or killed?

1:01:49Well, there's been a lot of talk and this is a question I can't answer and I did ask I had a conversation with my dad the other day and we were both sort of, yeah, it doesn't make any sense there's been a lot of talk of population control of reducing the population if you get rid of a load of people by injecting them with something that's deadly whether it gets rid of them immediately whether it causes a load of health issues that then shorten people's lives or whether it just creates a ticking time bomb which it is in so many people well that's going to add to that also there's a lot of evidence that there was nanotechnology in that vaccine which if you're trying to connect human beings to artificial intelligence in the way that we've spoken about then having nanotechnology in the body is a great way to to do that and people do it without even knowing about it so there's there's so many factors on that i also think the big thing for me i think it was just about compliance how how much can we get people to give away their rights, their freedoms, if we inject a tiny bit of fear.

1:02:47A mass IQ test. Yeah, a mass psychosis, basically, as Peter McCulloch called it. And it is. Is that what you said, a mass psychosis? Yeah, a mass formation psychosis, which is people just lose their ability. You had literally people shouting at people in the shop for not wearing a mask. You had people absolutely lose their minds. Yeah, people driving in their car, on their own, windows up, wearing a mask. You did. Now that was visions of insanity. It was. You had people that didn't see their parents, didn't see their grandparents ever again, because they were elderly. And the funerals was heartbreaking.

1:03:15Not being able to say goodbye to your loved ones. Kids in hospital that were ill dying on their own because their parents weren't allowed to be there. And that's why Boris Johnson will never be forgiven, really. Anyone that lost someone they loved during lockdown, they're never going to forgive Boris for that. How many people just gave up on life? How many people gave up on life? How many kids that weren't at school having that social interaction with their friends? How many teen suicide and kid suicide was absolutely enormous? Addiction hit the roof. All-time highs. Depression. You had girls in violent relationships couldn't get out of it, that weren't getting any support.

1:03:44You had people that missed cancer appointments. You had so many things that happened. Yeah, domestic violence hit the roof, didn't it? It did, yeah. And on the flip side, I'm sure there's couples... And if that was all purposeful, then wow, that's dark. Very dark. That's dark. The only positive, maybe, I'm sure there was couples in there that both worked 70 hours that all of a sudden weren't and reconnected when they were miles apart. Had rampant sex for 12 hours a day. Yeah, I bet the birth rates, actually, to be fair, probably went up. but for me it was a lot of it was about compliance and I think you know a lot of it also was about looking at where their when I say their I mean the the cults looking at where their weaknesses are so this is my theory on I don't think Covid was an attempt to get across the finish line which a lot of people say it was a lot of people say it was an attempt for them to impose their their will once and for all put people in a position where they're locked down they can come and impose it i don't i think it was a test run i think it was where can we find our weak points and particularly in britain particularly in america the weak points were the influence of the alternative media which was very good and in this country the protest movement was massive and that's why if you look at across the world we didn't go as far you know we had vaccine passports but for five minutes whereas some countries had them for a long time in america you couldn't go into the country without a vaccine right up until 2022, late 2020, sorry, 2023.

1:05:03This country didn't go as far as that. And I think a lot of that was because of the influence the alternative media and the protest movement had that they knew they couldn't get away with it. They couldn't go so far. You know, I saw the protest in London go from 10 ,000 to a million in not long, six weeks. I mean, the impact was massive. Yeah, if you look at what's happened since then, the alternative media in large, large proportions of it has regressed massively so when we're talking about the deep state and the permanent government which is what the alternative media used to talk about used to expose all of a sudden rather than now continuing to talk about that and talking about the fact that it's one government it doesn't matter whether it's right or left in power the same people are running it they've stopped doing that they've all of a sudden just gone well the left of the problem this this woke ideology identity politics it all comes from the left so the left of the problem so We need to get the left out of power, get the right in, and everything will be fine, which is what they saw in America.

1:05:57They've got the left out. They've supposedly got the right in. Well, what's changed? Thinking about Americans and alternative media, have you got a relationship or an opinion on Alex Jones? Yeah, I think now he's a disgrace, absolute disgrace. I think everything he has done over the years that is good in terms of exposing stuff, he's undone. I've not followed Alex Jones for a long, long time, but I know that he's a big conspiracy theorist in the States. Well, he's not now. is basically Donald Trump's PR agent. Right. Donald Trump could come out now and say, I've just bombed a school, and he'd come out and justify it.

1:06:28He's just an embarrassment, in my opinion. He's come out now and said that the Epstein list, he's come out and he said there's no list because he's blackmailed in the deep state. This is a recent thing, isn't it? It's yesterday, yeah. That's probably why, in my subconscious mind, it's made me think of Alex Jones, because he's obviously been prevalent very recent. Yeah, we spoke in the kitchen before we started. about responsibility. When you've got an audience, about the responsibility that you have to be careful what you put out in the sense of how people are going to take you. Sound bites travel.

1:07:00Yeah, sound bites travel. People can cut things up and manipulate things you say. And with him, he knows he's got a cult following. He knows he's got millions that are going to listen to him every night and watch him every night. And he has sold them the concept that Donald Trump is the answer and that Elon Musk is the answer. And even when it's so obvious that things they're doing and have done need condemnation, need calling out. And he would have called it out if the others were doing it. He's supporting it. To me, that's unforgivable. I'd love to know what my audience think of this because I know a lot of people that subscribe to me, they vote reform, they're pro-Trump, love Elon because the free speech platform he's given us on X.

1:07:38So yeah, I'll look carefully at the comments. Are there any secret societies that we don't know about? I'd say there's loads we don't know about. Any that you know about that I don't know about. Don't even have names. Well, the big ones, you've got obviously the Freemasons, which is the most famous one. You've got the inner core of the Jesuit order. You've got the Round Table. You've got one called the Club of Rome, which is really influential. That was founded years ago, and their whole premise was to use the environment and environmental concerns to justify the furthering of the agenda. So climate change or human-caused climate change or the illusion of that, which I don't believe for a second is true.

1:08:15That's come from them. you've got the Council on Foreign Relations which is a massive one in America which has pretty much driven American foreign policy since the Clinton administration one called the Trilateral Commission which STAMA is a part of so there's loads but I would say that that's a good list for people to research including me oh yeah look into those and you'll find so much information on all of them the Fabian Society is a really interesting one George Orwell was involved there as was Olders Huxley and obviously their two books were incredibly prophetic. It's interesting, something you said earlier about beating people down to the point they can't resist, basically.

1:08:53That was actually one of the mottos of the Fabian Society, which was to never have a definitive battle one way or the other. It was to weaken your enemy over time, bit by bit by bit, to the point they're so weak you just walk in and take over. Drip, feed and punishment. Pretty much. So what is the Fabian Society? I've heard the name, but I've never looked into them. It's a secret society. they got the headquarters in London and Aldous Huxley was and what's the logo there's significance with the logo isn't there yeah it's a wolf in sheep's clothing a wolf in sheep's clothing I knew there was something significant yeah so they're just they're one of many it's quite a plain sight material yeah and they would all intertwine with each other and I remember years ago do you remember the James Bond film Spectre well I do but not not to the letter well there was a concept there was a scene in it Russia with love I'm your man Sean Connery days there was a scene in it which was very prophetic for how I would describe this.

1:09:45And there's a sports game going on and there's all these people in this stadium, full stadium, and there's this secret society called Spectre. And all these lads are sat in different seats in the stadium, all their pieces all talking to each other and they're having a meeting. But you'll never see them all together. Obviously it's called Spectre, the secret society, but they're all people in different positions of influence from different nationalities and they're all having this meeting while everyone's just sat watching a football match and they have no idea that they're doing it. You would never picture X, Y and Z together to be able to connect them, to be able to ask questions of why are you with them because this policy has happened and you assume they never have that.

1:10:20I would suggest that it's very similar. There'll be organisations at the top of people who are very much interconnected who may appear to be separate, may appear to have no connection with each other whatsoever that do. And I would even say that probably meetings like that happen. The scene's probably based on something. Yeah, I wonder how many people will now go and watch that film. I mean, I'm tempted to myself. So I've got one more question for you, and it's a big question. So don't go away, audience. But before I ask you that final question, where can people find you? What do you do that people will be interested in?

1:10:54I'll put all the links in the description anyway, but what's your main sources of social media and contact? And you do what I do, plus you do daily content. And what's the word I'm looking for? Will you tell me? What is it you do every day, every morning? It's called Trending. So it's basically a 25, 30 minute look at the news, look at the headlines of the morning, try and put them into some... Broadcast. Broadcast, yeah. I couldn't think of the word. Try and put them into some deeper context because context is everything. It's very easy to look at something and appear to be an isolated event that has no connection or relevance to anything else at all when pretty much everything you see is connected to something, leads to this, leads to this, leads to this.

1:11:35So to give a really simple example, you could see a few weeks ago when Israel invaded Iran or fired missiles at Iran. You can look at that and go, well, that's kicked off because of this. And then you can actually look at it from a deeper context and go, well, that's happened because that's happened because that's happened. And then all of a sudden what looks random, what looks completely organic is very easily explained. So we try and do that every morning. And then for me, my area of interest, real interest is health because as I mentioned then about attacking and weakening an enemy over time, it's clear there's a war on our health.

1:12:08You've only got to walk down the street. you've only got to look at a beach in this country and pretty much any country people get massively overweight when they weren't you know not too many decades ago most of our food's processed and full of crap the quality of everything is declining and it's coinciding with people's health just getting worse and worse and worse and worse and if you're trying to take over a population if you're trying to have a fight with somebody essentially what do you want to fight do you want to fight someone who's fit strong lean healthy ready to go do you want to fight someone who's weak on 10 medications just to get through the day so that's my big area of interest because I think it's the easiest way to stick two fingers up to the system because you don't need anything else.

1:12:42Remain robust. You just need to start with yourself. Yeah, you just start with yourself. You don't need a massive movement of 100 ,000 people to create a change in the world. You just start with what you eat, what you put in your body. And I think that's an area of interest for me. Also the family dynamic, and I've watched a load of your podcasts where you've been talking about the attack on the nuclear family, the traditional family dynamic of a mum and a dad, a healthy marriage. you know you're part of your kids lives and you raise your kids to be strong resilient people um really interested in that area you know i've got two young boys and you know they are very very keen that they grow up to be proper men who know they are who stand up for what's right say what they believe know how to behave and conduct themselves and treat people and stand up for you know the truth and so i think that's really important so they're my areas of interest so i do a podcast on that every week what's the name of your podcast and where can people find that so So it's called Health Code.

1:13:32It's on Spotify. It's on our platform, Iconic, as well. I-C-K-O-N-I-C. X? Shall I put your X link in there? Yeah, so just at Jamie Icke. Jamie spelt weird. J-A-Y-M-I-E, isn't it? Yeah, cheers to the parents. Okay, well, I'll put the links in the descriptions anyway. So the final question is, if you was Prime Minister of Great Britain, what the hell would you do? Well, today, in the circumstance we've got right now? As we live and breathe. Okay, I'd look at each problem in isolation, right? So you say the first problem is, I think, control your borders. You've got to start there. So I'd put a naval blockade across the English Channel.

1:14:11Put two Navy ships out there, make it very clear that if anyone breaks that blockade and gets across past, you'll be taken as a threat and fired upon. Now, that sounds very extreme, and people will go, well, you're talking about shooting people, you're like shooting kids. No, you're not. How many kids are in the dinghies for a start? but for me, I'm a big believer in responsibility and personal responsibility. So if I tell you what's going to happen if you do something, if you then choose to do it, the repercussions are on you, not me. So if I say to someone in a bar, if you stand up and try and fight me, I'm going to drop you, mate.

1:14:48If you stand up and then I drop you, it's your fault, not mine. So I would put out that principle. You're trying into the country illegally, you're going to be treated in the same way we would treat a Russian MiG coming over the North Sea. You're not coming in. So that would be a start, because what that would do is it would immediately, you'd have a zero point to start from, to go, right, we've contained something, now what do we do about it? Whereas when something, it's like trying to fix a leak while the leak's still coming in. You're not going to be able to do that. You've got to stop the leak and then figure out the problem and fix it.

1:15:25You can't do that while it's still coming in. So I would start there. I would then look at all of the money in the various different government institutions that is wasted. So create a doge type thing. Yeah, so take a really simple one like the NHS. I put this out this morning on my Twitter. The NHS doesn't need more money. It needs a complete re-evaluation. You need to firstly ask the question, why are so many people needing the NHS? Why are so many people sick? Why are so many people ill? Answer that question, and that solves the problem with the NHS, because you then build the NHS from the ground up based on answering that question and whatever you think the answer is, flipping it to solve it.

1:16:06So rather than so much money going into treating people to being ill, you'd start working on preventing them being sick in the first place. So you'd help subsidise organic farming and education on diets and things like that. The education system you'd look at and go, right, what do kids actually need to know versus what we teach them because they're not the same thing. Seven-year-old kids don't need to be taught. whether they're girls or whether they're boys or whether they're something in between they don't need to learn that they need to learn real life skills um they need to understand and learn real things that are going to be of value we need to really support the family dynamic and we need to really look and re-evaluate what what is what is britain what is a british value what do we stand for and what does everyone want to get on what's a flag that everyone wants to get on and go this is what britain stands for someone says what's it mean to be british i can give you five key points It means this, this, this, this.

1:16:57Right now, you probably can't because it's so diluted. I would start there and try and rebuild a sense of national identity and rebuild a trust in politics because that just doesn't exist now. The fact that 9 million or whatever voted for Starmer of 72, there's no trust in politics because they know that they're sleazy and they're, you know, and I think also... It's ingenuous, isn't it? Completely disingenuous. The big one I would really encourage people to do is re-evaluate, and I think everything comes from this, re-evaluate your self-identity. For years we've been convinced that we're small, insignificant, we don't really know a lot, we're just essentially pawns in the game and you need an Eton College education and Oxford first in order to get into any position of power or influence and leave us to it, we're cleverer than you, you just keep scrubbing around in the dirt for a few quid an hour and maybe get a holiday once a year.

1:17:50Whereas even if you don't look at it from a conspiratorial sense, You just look at it from a pure pragmatic sense. Well, those people that are apparently very clever, have done a great job really, have they, over the last few, over, well, centuries. So why not actually look in the mirror and go, you know, I do have some value. I do have something to stand up for. I do have something to bring to the world. Even if that's on a very micro level, and you know what, I'm going to be a great partner. I'm going to be a great dad. I'm going to be a really cool person in my community that helps people, that looks after people, that does what's right.

1:18:20You know, the old lady next to me is on the run. I'm going to help her out if I can. if I go to the shop do you need anything those sort of things you don't need this massive social platform this huge scale of influence to just be a good person just be a better person and I think so many people have been conditioned I think it's an illness really we've been conditioned to believe that 6 out of 10 is good enough in the sense of your life I get up in a morning and feel alright go to a job I don't like wife doesn't like me kids don't really respect me but from athletic stuff like a full court pick up game swish to athletic-ish stuff like a half mile stroll Get those steps in.

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1:19:30Well, we're getting medals now for finishing last. That's the very start of the problem. Massively the start of the problem. Rewarding a monumental fail. yeah that cut I mean nobody wants to see a young kid sort of sitting in the call of crime because he's just come last at the 1500 metres but in the same breath you don't put him on a podium and clap no that's teaching him all the wrong lessons oh it is you've got to learn how to deal with disappointment because I say this to my kids I don't let my kids win at anything they're both super sporty my oldest son in particular is really good at football you know he's only five but he's really really decent when it comes to playing pool and table tennis or darts you're not having it well anything to be fair every time he gives me any stick I say man we're 16 we're going to have a little spa I'm going to take all this out on you but when he wins he really wins exactly and that's massive and it means something and I think you know competition I love sport of all kinds massive boxing fan football fan cricket fan and I think it's a really good kind of metaphor for life competition because everything's competition everything that girl you want to ask out three other lads do that job you're going to go for there's ten other people in the waiting room being interviewed as well everything is a competition and unless you learn how to deal with disappointment it's setbacks so like that for me has been the biggest thing that I've learned in life is why am I not where I want to be it's not anyone else's fault so so many people and this kind of comes back to my point about 6 out of 10 being good enough so many people look at other people and go they've got a life I want lucky aren't they look how good looking they are they've got giving all the thin they've got you know people will look at you and go look how successful he is he's got a podcast loads of people listen to him I'll look at you and just look at all that lovely hair I'll make a podcast in my bedroom that no one listens to people don't know how hard you've worked and the hours you've sacrificed to build this oh blimey and they wouldn't do the same and ultimately people don't want to answer and look in the mirror and go the reason I'm not where I want to be is because I didn't put the effort in that they probably put in so I think by rewarding mediocrity you're toning into that really when for me your job in your life should always be to demand more of yourself from yourself people around you because I think we're capable of anything.

1:21:39If you want to, because pretty much, there's a few people that were born with exceptional gifts and exceptional talent, but most people that have ever achieved anything have done so because they've really worked at it. The people that, apart from the ones we were talking about, that sell their souls, but the ones that have done that because they've really dug in. They've rolled their sleeves up. Yeah, they've worked the 20-hour days. They've done the unpopular things. They've not gone out on a Saturday night. They've sat and they've done something to help build whatever it is they're trying to achieve.

1:22:02Most people don't want to do that. They don't want to put that effort in. It's much easier to look and go, oh, you know, you were lucky, you got a good break, you know the right person, rather than look and go, okay, how can I improve? How can I get better? How can I look at that and go, right, I do that, I'm going to do it slightly differently this time to get a different reaction. So like every show I ever make, I always watch it back at least twice and look at how you came across, look at how, you know, so I'll do this. Some of the questions you've asked me, I'll go, right, if you ask me that again, could I articulate that slightly better?

1:22:31You've got to become obsessed. Yeah. Almost. And I think that you could even imply that to your question about if you were prime minister, what would you do? Be brutally honest with yourself. I got that one wrong. It's what I ask from everyone is honesty, particularly politicians. If you get it wrong, for me, it takes like a stronger leader will say, actually, upon further information, now that I know more than I did then, I actually called that wrong. This is my new opinion. This is my new stance. No shame in that. Let me just say, it's been an absolute joy talking to you. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, clearly.

1:23:05And I'm going to predict this. I know you lot like a prediction. Well, I'm going to make one now. I wouldn't be surprised if years down the line, I look back on this interview and this could potentially become one of my claims to fame because I think, I mean, God knows where you're going to go. I think you're destined for big things. And if you think Jamie's destined for big things, please click the links below. Follow his journey, follow his platforms, carry on following mine, like and subscribe. The bigger the subscription list, the bigger, the better the guests, the more conversations I can have like this.

1:23:37Stay tuned. There's a thumbnail somewhere for you to watch another one if you like this one. And I'm sure we will sit opposite each other again. And thank you for sharing your mind with me. It was fascinating. Thanks for the invite. Get off, brother. Thank you.

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