Why Violent Islamic WARFARE Is The Greatest Threat To British Civilisation: Connor Tomlinson

13 Nov 2025 · 1 h 29 min · 28 chapters

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In short

The episode argues that “violent Islamic warfare” is the greatest threat to British civilisation, predicting a shift from peaceful protest to identity-driven “civil war”/ethnic strife in the UK, enabled by terrorism, sleeper cells, and government/elite failure.

Guest

Connor Tomlinson. He presents himself as a provocative commentator who claims to have reported on these issues for Courage Media and to have researched/argued publicly about terrorism, immigration, and Islam. He also discusses personal family involvement in testifying against a relative.

Key claims

ISIS called for sleeper-cell attacks; the UK has a large known network of jihadists (claimed “at least 30,000”) that has been expanded via migration; critical infrastructure is vulnerable (gas lines, overhead rail wires, centralized grids). The state is portrayed as likely to side with Muslim/tribal factions rather than “native” English people. He argues “blank slate” egalitarianism and DEI have weakened intelligence and policing. He claims cousin marriage is religiously and historically justified in Islam and links it to higher crime and “conspiracy of silence” in tightly knit communities.

Notable examples

Southport murders (Axel Rudakubana) and alleged asylum background of his father; Rotherham grooming/rape cases; Manchester synagogue attack on Yom Kippur; references to MI5 watchlists and terrorism statistics; mentions of Humza Yousaf and Sadiq Khan as politically enabling Islamism; discussion of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hizb ut-Tahrir.

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Chapters

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Provocative Questions and Social Commentary

0:30 to 2:18

Discussion on sensitive social issues, including controversial questions.

“Would you ever have sex with your cousin?”

Civil War Predictions and Definitions

2:56 to 6:47

Connor discusses the concept of civil war and predicts potential conflicts in the UK.

“Well, you don't self-censor, which is something I think we need more of.”

Risks of Terrorism and Social Unrest

6:47 to 9:12

Analysis of the threats posed by terrorism and social unrest in Britain.

“It's difficult to say, and I'm loathe to predict widespread conflict.”

Ethnic and Crime Discourse

9:12 to 14:00

Discussion on the relationship between ethnicity and crime rates in the UK.

“And of course, this is beyond the pale for a few different political factions.”

Foreign Crime and Domestic Responsibility

14:00 to 15:00

Exploring the implications of foreign criminals in the UK and the need for accountability.

“Might not be the majority, but as a share of population, disproportionate.”

The Death Penalty Debate

15:00 to 16:30

Discussing the controversial suggestion to reintroduce the death penalty for certain crimes.

“Yeah, I know that we have got enough of our own scumbags to deal with.”

The Southport Inquiry Case Study

16:30 to 19:20

Analyzing the disturbing details of the Southport inquiry and its implications for societal values.

“the dad who stopped him a week before from getting into a cab that was bound to his former school where he went and had previously committed an attack by breaking in after being suspended for carrying a knife 11 times.”

Cousin Marriage and Cultural Differences

19:20 to 22:20

Examining the practice of cousin marriage in different cultures and its impact on moral considerations.

“But we've known from even members of the Pakistani Muslim community that this has happened.”

Historical Context of Cousin Marriage

22:20 to 24:10

Tracing the historical roots of cousin marriage practices back to the 7th century.

“So it means that because our level of cousin marriage has been so low as a tradition, one, it's unthinkable and gross to us, and quite rightly so.”

Islamic Practices and Modern Consequences

24:10 to 26:55

Analyzing how historical Islamic practices, like cousin marriage, affect contemporary issues and crime rates.

“One of those tribes that he vanquished, he killed the husband, the brother, and the father, I think it was, of a woman named Zainab.”
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Challenging Cultural Norms

26:55 to 28:00

Discussing the challenges and varying interpretations of cousin marriage within Islamic communities.

“cousins who can all trust each other to keep it in the family.”

Exploring Interpretations of Islamic Texts

28:00 to 28:56

Understand differing interpretations of Islamic texts related to social practices.

“because I'm pretty sure you'll see that colour added to the flag in a year or two's time.”

The Muslim Brotherhood: Origins and Influence

28:56 to 30:36

Learn about the historical context and impact of the Muslim Brotherhood on Islamic movements.

“So it is literally the inerrant word of Allah.”

The Role of the Muslim Brotherhood in Britain

30:36 to 34:28

Explore the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood and their implications for British society.

“They're like the idea nexus for all other terror organisations.”

Political Figures and Islamic Activism

34:28 to 38:28

Examine the political actions and ideologies of notable figures like Humza Youssef and Sadiq Khan.

“I'm going to touch base on jihad in a minute, but before I get to jihad, Hamza Youssef.”

Marxism, Liberalism, and Islam in British Politics

38:28 to 42:03

Understand the intersection of Marxist ideology and liberalism in shaping views on Islam in politics.

“And despite the fact that Keir Starmer will be only too aware of what happened in 1979 in Iran with the Islamic Revolution, still with that in mind, why do you think Starmer's got such a hard on for Islam?”

The Role of Human Rights in Jihad Justification

42:03 to 51:40

Explore how human rights discourse is manipulated in the context of jihad and terrorism.

“everyone's free from bigotry, from judgment.”

Analyzing Radicalization and Illegal Migration

52:14 to 56:00

Discuss the motivations for radicalization among converts and the impacts of illegal migration.

“and I'm sure you've thought about this while scratching your head, why do so many pal-skinned ginger men revert to Islam?”

The Threat of Predatory Intent

56:00 to 1:02:51

Exploration of the predatory behaviors of men from certain migrant groups and their impact on British society.

“It's just that the boats crossing and being put up in hotels are the most offensive one because it's the most visually obvious.”

Cautionary Tales for Parents

1:02:51 to 1:07:06

Real-life examples highlighting dangers to women and children from certain migrant demographics.

“I don't think we can beat that drum often enough because a lot of people think it will never happen to them until it does.”

Understanding the Deep State

1:07:06 to 1:09:40

Discussion on the concept of the deep state and its influence on government functionality.

“I've worked with I.An, appeared on camera with her multiple times.”

Bureaucratic Challenges in Governance

1:09:40 to 1:10:03

Analysis of the challenges faced by elected officials due to a permanent bureaucracy.

“So it ballooned to have one of the largest governments in the world.”

The Impact of Permanent Bureaucracy on Governance

1:10:03 to 1:13:28

Explore how Britain's bureaucratic structures hinder political progress.

“firing loads of permanent civil servants.”

Reforming the Civil Service and Legislative Changes

1:13:28 to 1:16:39

Discuss potential reforms needed to address civil service inefficiencies.

“The Treasury and the OBR, who's modelling undercounted immigration by a factor of three, they thought it would be 245 ,000.”

Imagining an Ideal Britain: Cultural and Political Aspirations

1:16:39 to 1:18:52

Articulate a vision for Britain focusing on cultural coherence and governance.

“Withdraw all state funding for non-Christian institutions.”

Critique of Conservative Leadership and Political Dynamics

1:18:52 to 1:23:50

Analyze the failures of Conservative party leaders and their impact on the nation.

“Yeah, what a great explanation that was.”

Where to Find Connor Tomlinson's Work

1:23:50 to 1:24:00

Learn about Connor's platforms for his commentary and content.

Discussion on Identity and Nationalism

1:24:00 to 1:30:34

Explore Conor Tomlinson's views on nationalism, ethnicity, and societal labels.

“You, your government, is the most influential force on the lives of young men like me who were born after 1997, after Tony Blair changed the country, after you continued his radical revolution.”
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0:00This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. Would you ever have sex with your cousin? Encourage your children to be more prejudiced. Terrorist training camps around the world have been emptying themselves out into the dinghies crossing from Calais.

0:38Weapons cashes in mosques, hospitals, homes. People are worried that there could be a similar thing here. ISIS in September called for sleeper cell agents across the West to do more stabbing, shooting and car ramming attacks. And so your family aren't safe. You might be accused of nostalgia, but there were things about the past that are better. Some sort of ethnic conflict is inevitable if we continue on the path that we're going down. They don't like white people. They don't like Christians. They want to steal their stuff. They want to take their women and they want a caliphate. Why do you think Stam has got such a hard on for Islam?

1:06Why is a single foreign criminal in our country? Whether it's converts like Jihadi John or whether it's the 7-7 bombers or the Lee Rigby killers, I think we should return to the death penalty. Asylum seeker, fake refugee. Tony Blair is the great constitutional vandal. Sex parties in stately homes in the early 2000s. I'm sure those two things aren't connected. Would a Muslim challenge the whole cousin marriage thing or would they wear their I fuck my cousin badge with pride?

2:17Thank you.

2:28Connor. Pleasure, sir. Thank you for coming on. A very outspoken, highly intelligent human being. Are you sure you put the right guest? It is Connor Tomlinson. Yes. It's you! Yeah. Not the footballer and not the one from the autistic dating show, if you can believe it. Well, it was funny when you walked in, I said, I never knew you played football. You said yes, because I didn't. Yeah. If I was smart enough to do that, then I wouldn't be saying provocative things on the internet. I mean, I think I'm very sensible, actually, but it turns out I have upset quite a few other people. Well, you don't self-censor, which is something I think we need more of.

3:01So let's get straight under the bonnet of the state of the country. Now, before I ask you, if you think the UK is heading for a civil war, can you define what a civil war is for people that don't really know? They've heard the words, they think it's a song by Guns N' Roses, but they don't actually know what a civil war is. So define it and then predict it. Usually when we think of a civil war, we think of two factions. with elite defectors competing over the inheritance of the state. So we think of the English Civil War, for example, King Charles I and Cromwell. Or we think of the American Civil War, we think of the North led by Abraham Lincoln, and we think of the South by Robert E.

3:40Lee. And that's over various things, whether it's religious identity or slavery or national self-determination. And it ends up with one faction exerting state power over the other. Think American Reconstruction or think of the abolition of the monarchy and Cromwell appointing himself as Lord Protector and then banning Christmas. How very sad. With the predictions of civil war that we've been getting from the lights of David Betts or Dominic Cummings or ex-Cobra head Richard Kemp, who I interviewed a while ago, So what they're predicting is not necessarily the state fighting two factions, but two groups, two identity vigilante groups battling over each other with critical infrastructure being sabotaged in a dirty war.

4:27And then whether or not the state and various elite defectors from the orbit of the state, businessmen, MPs, prominent thought leaders, will pick sides. So the great worry, I think, is that in the scenes we saw after the Southport murders, where you had largely peaceful demonstrators in places all across the north that have been ravaged by mass migration, economic mismanagement and the Pakistani grooming gangs, versus Muslim factions who turned out on the streets, especially when they were misled by bad faith actors like Nick Lowell's of Hope Not Hate, who said there's been acid attacks against Muslim women.

5:08The EDL are coming for you, lads, so you might as well tool up. What people are worried about is if that happens, number one, one faction is relatively better armed than the other. We saw footage during those protests and riots of community liaison officers, one of whom seem to be of Pakistani heritage, saying to the Muslim militias, go and put your weapons in the mosque ladders and there won't be any more trouble. As we saw, for example, after October 7th, Hamas for a long time were stashing weapons caches in mosques, hospitals, homes, etc. So people are worried that there could be a similar thing here, including foreign intelligence agencies that have warned the UK government about it and they've failed to do anything.

5:52But also people are worried that the state will take the side of, who are likely to be, the provocateurs, who will be aggrieved tribal minority groups or Islamic radicals, against the side of the native population. Either because they don't want to be seen as racist or because successive years of DEI policies have filled our intelligence agencies, the Home Office, even Parliament, with people who sympathise with that faction. And so what we might see is less a conventional civil war, but more ethnic strife fomented by the state. And then members of the warring ethnic groups will then pick sides within the state to use state power against one or the other group.

6:40And I think lots of people are worried that the state will not pick the side of the English people if this happens. And what do you predict will happen? It's difficult to say, and I'm loathe to predict widespread conflict. I have said some measures about how to prevent it, but we'll park those and get on to in a minute. I think in the lead up to that conflict, you'll see a spate of vigilante and terror attacks. We saw that ISIS in September called for their sleeper cell agents across the West to do more stabbing, shooting and car ramming attacks. And then lo and behold, on Yom Kippur early in October, a terrorist literally called Jihad goes and attacks a synagogue in Manchester.

7:25And tragically, three people died. I think you're going to see similar attacks like that because it is unfortunately never been easier to do these kinds of attacks. You organize online in terror cells that may well be monitored by the likes of MI5, the Home Office, the FBI, etc. But as the joke on the internet goes, he was known to the intelligence services at the time and they often do nothing. And the great fear, as I reported for Courage Media a little while ago, is that this network of at least 30 ,000 named jihadists that the government have been, again, warned about and have done nothing, has been added to via legal and illegal migration.

8:03that the terrorist training camps around the world have been emptying themselves out into the dinghies crossing from Calais and breaking into our country, that we are basically funding a terror cell through our tax money stationed in hotels and Britain's prisons, and they're just biding their time and building up. And they can quite easily attack our critical infrastructure because we have gas lines, we have unprotected overhead wires for trains, We have cities that are entirely reliant on inputs from central electrical and water grids. And with a few Molotov cocktails and a few machetes and a few homemade explosive devices, they can cause panic.

8:41They can cut off a city like Bane and the Dark Knight Rises, or they can just firebomb dense housing in our cities. And either the intelligence services will do very little about it, or they have spent a long time covering for these kinds of attacks. and so they have inflicted upon us a kind of ideological autoimmune disorder where whenever one of these attacks happens, we don't learn the right preventative lessons and instead we buy into, we can all hold hands, don't look back in anger. And so that means we're wholly unprepared for it. Why would you not look back in anger? Because you would draw impolite conclusions about cultural differences, how some peoples don't like one another and whether or not it is completely optional to have people who hate us for our race, our faith, our culture and our identity, and will commit impulsive and violent crimes against us in this country at all, whether or not they ever needed to be here in the first place.

9:38And of course, this is beyond the pale for a few different political factions. I think this is best summed up actually by our new Home Secretary, Shabana Mahmood, good British name, when she went during Labour Party conference and said, we're seeing a smaller minded patriotism. Hers is apparently a patriotism of George Orwell. I don't think she's actually read Orwell because in The Lion and the Unicorn, George Orwell said, a country is defined by its people 100 years ago. If you could show them a magic mirror into the future, would they still recognise their descendants as being of the same country?

10:13And I don't think the people in Britain of 1920 would look at Shabana Mahmood and recognize one of their countrymen. But she then said, it is a small-minded patriotism and ethno-nationalism which says that I, a woman of Pakistani heritage or Muslim faith, cannot be seen as ever truly English or British. and what she is demanding is that we do not recognize differences between people based on their parentage, their ancestry, their origin, their belief system, their family structure, any of these things which form a person holistically. Instead it demands that we have to see everyone as a blank slate, as completely equal and that a criminal only commits crimes or one person is less productive or fortunate than another because of the hidden hand of oppression from somewhere, which then implies that a government who understands that is filled with very clever people and is willing to just take some money from this place and give it somewhere else, can make literally everyone from everywhere equal.

11:10That all cultural differences, that all economic disparities, that all gaps in education can be remedied by a liberal or socialist state. And if you say, well, those people don't like us very much. Well, this group of people commits crimes at a higher rate than this group of people, well, these people are different from us. And if they do these things that we don't like, they don't need to be here. That breaks that blank slate illusion. And that's why anyone who makes those sensible observations, no matter where they might have previously fallen on the political spectrum from sort of default left behind discontented liberals like Constantine Kissin to the furthest fringes of ethno-nationalism, they're all just called far right.

11:50They're all called racist. They're all called Nazis. Because all these words mean now are you dared to notice a difference between people, culture, nationality, etc. And you are standing in the way of our egalitarian utopia. Yeah, just to throw a bit of a curveball in there, because I feel as a white person, you're not allowed to comment on, say, black crime or Muslim crime or brown crime. You can only really speak about white skin people. So we know the obvious what's going on. I would say that knife crime is predominantly black on black. We know that grooming gangs are predominantly Pakistani Muslim men.

12:32I think that's been well documented enough for me to say that with conviction. But just so we can even out the scores a little bit, what crimes are white British nationals most famous for or infamous for? What are we guilty of? Just so people watching this don't think we're a pair of bigots and that we are fair. We're guilty of all sorts of crimes. My contention is not even that certain groups are disproportionately culpable for certain types of crimes. So let's say, for example, the majority of sex crimes in this country are still committed by people with British citizenship. Now, we don't actually have an ethnic breakdown because the government refuses to publish it.

13:11We only have a breakdown by foreign origin versus British passport. But let's say for the sake of argument, everyone in that cohort is as white British as Henry VIII. You would expect that in any country, that the majority population commits the majority of the crime. Not all types of crime, unfortunately, as we see in America. For example, black Americans commit both a disproportionate amount and the majority of murders. That's something that community needs to figure out. However, you would expect the majority population commits the majority of the crime. Okay. Even one crime by someone who doesn't need to be in the country in the first place is too many.

13:50Because if their presence in our country is an option, then a life never needs to be taken or ruined. We can just simply say, okay, these countries produce men which predictably commit disproportionate levels of crime. Might not be the majority, but as a share of population, disproportionate. OK, we just don't take people from that region in and we safeguard our women and girls from the additional threat of a crime. We have plenty of criminals of our own. Harold Shipman, Hugh Edwards, etc. That doesn't mean that we need to take in the rest of the scumbags from the rest of the world. And we have.

14:28So the Global Organised Crime Index is a think tank that's backed by the US government, you know, far right conspiracy outlet. And even under the Biden administration, when admitting these kinds of things is quite difficult, the UK in 2023 was number one in Western Europe and number two in all of Europe for crimes committed by foreign nationals. Why is a single foreign criminal in our country? All of them are optional. They can be made to leave. And the most egregious ones, I think we should return to the death penalty, especially if they meet the sufficient standard of evidence that we can be sure of their conviction.

15:00So whether or not white people, let's say British people, English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish people commit crimes, and they do, that doesn't mean we should take in extra criminals because their very presence in our country is a consequence of government policy. We can make a different choice. Yeah, I know that we have got enough of our own scumbags to deal with. There's no shortage of white British scumbags. Difference being is I will happily call them out, including my own family, should they cross the line. My father actually has done and I testified against him. Maybe may or not be new news to you.

15:33I've listened to your show before, Lee. Yeah, so I feel like I'm in a good position to say that shit behaviour and so is that. And I don't care what group or community is guilty of it. I'm calling you out because I've called my own out. This is something I think we're becoming a lot more aware of, especially in the last year. I'll use two examples. So the Southport inquiry is still ongoing. For those who need a reminder, perhaps outside the UK, That's when Axel Rudicabana in July of 2024 walked into a Taylor Swift dance class and committed acts of premeditated murder against three young girls, butchering them in the most brutal fashion and then injured 11 others.

16:10And he was obsessed growing up with white genocide. He told a classmate in a football game, I want white genocide. His teachers said he knew every dictator, every act of mass murder under the sun. Now we are to believe that this never came up with his parents, that his parents who bought him the tablet he was using to research ISIS terror attacks, that paid for the broadband he used to read up on the Rwandan genocide, who knew that he was ordering dodgy packages off Amazon to his neighbours, including the materials he used to make lethal rice in, and bought the knife that he used to commit the eventual murders.

16:50the dad who stopped him a week before from getting into a cab that was bound to his former school where he went and had previously committed an attack by breaking in after being suspended for carrying a knife 11 times. He then broke in as an excluded student with a hockey stick, shattered a classmate's wrist before being tackled to the ground by a teacher. And his dad said, not today, Axel, come inside. And then didn't have him committed to the police. We're meant to believe the parents were totally ignorant about this. Well, during the inquiry, it's come to light that Axel's father, who I remind everyone, was given asylum eight years after the Rwandan genocide was committed while living in Uganda, despite serving as part of the Rwandan patriotic front, which quelled the genocide, so should be considered a war hero by the sitting government.

17:36And Axel's mother is meant to be related to a sitting government minister, so they should be fine. They were given asylum in our country. Their other son is in a wheelchair and five rotary clubs from Southport pulled their resources to donate money to get him in a wheelchair. I think very commendable thing. They, what should have been a debt of gratitude, repaid it by raising a killer. And then when he had repeatedly interacted with social services and the local council, his father had texted a social worker saying, please don't disclose details about my family to the people in charge of punishing Axel.

18:10So they were trying to withhold knowledge about their son's violent behavior. You or I would not do that. Instead, there is this persistent mentality among other parts of the world, even for some African Christians, unfortunately, the Rudi Kabbana family, particularly in the Islamic world, particularly in the more tribal world, which has high rates of clannishness and cousin marriage, that says people outside myself, my family, my clan, and in the Muslim sense, the Ummah, the global Muslim race, don't deserve the same moral consideration. Instead, not only are you probably out to take advantage of me, so if I don't take advantage of you, I'm a sucker, but you are not, you're not, there's no universal ethic.

18:54So if this advantages me, my family, my clan, my ummah, I will do it. And I will lie, cheat, and steal to evade any consequences because I don't recognize you as a moral authority or an equal moral agent. And this is the same with the Pakistani rape gangs. This is why Rupert Lowe got up in Parliament and said, if the families knew this was going on and covered it up, they should be deported. And Labour and Lib Dem MPs, while he was giving a speech, rolled their eyes and then cried racism, blue bloody murder. But we've known from even members of the Pakistani Muslim community that this has happened.

19:25The head of the Ramadan Foundation in the Mail in 2016 wrote, this is a grave moral stain on the Pakistani community because three of his own cousins were convicted and sent away, neither the courage to speak out. And he said the Pakistani community has buried its head in the sand because they, quote, don't want to be seen as siding with the white enemy. There is a unidirectional racial and religious contempt for us and the victims that means there is a conspiracy of silence among the family members of the rapists. This is why in 2024, when a group of men were convicted in Rotherham, as they were sentenced after the families had heard about what these men had done to children.

20:04The daughters of the rapist cried out, I love you, dad. And they tried to start fights with victims outside of the court and be restrained by court security. And this is why I always find it difficult to pronounce her name, but she's on the Jeremy Vine show a lot. It's like Yasmin Ali Harbi Brown. She wrote in the mail, I think it was in 2013, she'd interviewed Muslim women who themselves had been sexually abused by the same rapist who then went and abused white girls. And they had described in horrific detail the things that their husbands had done to them. So it deserved our sympathy. And she would then ask, what do you feel about the girls that have been preyed on?

20:38And they said, well, by Allah, have you seen how they dress? They deserved it. So there is not the same level of honesty either in committing the crimes or confessing about the criminals in the midst of these clannish, tightly knit communities that we have imported into a very individualistic, universalistic legal system. And so our moral, legal, cultural system here in England just can't cope with it. I wouldn't normally go so personal, but I feel like 20 minutes in I can. So the personal question is, would you ever have sex with your cousin? No, decidedly not. I think my wife might be upset.

21:17But I think that we have a natural disgust sensitivity against that thing. And you know what? The reason is pretty much all Englishmen do, because it was back in the 6th century, the first Archbishop of Canterbury said we're banning cousin marriage on the advice of then Pope Gregory. This was then ratified in the 13th century. Henry VIII repealed it because he wanted to marry, I think it was his second wife who was a cousin of his first who he ended up divorcing. As a Catholic, of course, I hold a lot of grudges against Henry VIII. We'll park that one for a moment. Despite that, cousin marriage was only ever, not even common, but it only ever happened among a few royals and a few members of the upper crust of society.

21:59It was less than 1 % for pretty much all of English history. This is in Alec McFarlane's book, The Origins of English Individualism. Something else that's curious as well. Not only is sibling marriage basically unheard of, unlike in a lot of places in the rest of the world, but the average age of marriage in the Middle Ages was in the early 20s. Child marriage, very uncommon. Staying within your family network rather than going out into local towns and founding new farms and therefore, you know, marrying the daughter of a man in a village, the village over, much more common than it is in places in the Indian subcontinent and across Africa.

22:38So it means that because our level of cousin marriage has been so low as a tradition, one, it's unthinkable and gross to us, and quite rightly so. But two, that allows us to extend moral consideration outside our family, outside ourselves, outside our clan. Whereas if cousin marriage is a habit in your region of the world, and Patrick Nash, who's an Oxford academic, has done an excellent paper on this documenting that rates are as high in the low end of Muslim countries at about 40 % or 30%, quite low in Turkey, to be fair, up to areas of Pakistan where we source a lot of our immigration from, like Miripur, it's above 80%.

23:13In certain Biradiri clans in this country at the moment, it's upwards of 80%, 90%. If you have only ever married your cousins for thousands of years, Not only does that have a downward pressure on your impulse control, on your intelligence, it does not only create more congenital birth defects, but you think collectively. You don't think individualistically. You don't think people outside my family, outside my ethnicity, outside my religion, are worthy of the same level of consideration. So we're basically asking a moral system of these people that, even if they aren't the violent perpetrators of the Pakistani rape gangs, it's just not second nature to them.

23:50So why do we expect they act any different? I only ask you if you'd have sex with your cousin because I know that there's an increase in cousins having sex with each other. And I'm wondering how the hell we got here and how the hell are we going to reverse that trend? How we got here, we're going to have to rewind to the 7th century, I think. How we got here is that when Muhammad migrated from Mecca to Medina and tried to proselytise the settled tribes there and bring them all under the banner of Islam and then waged various wars against the tribes which said no. One of those tribes that he vanquished, he killed the husband, the brother, and the father, I think it was, of a woman named Zainab.

24:37Now, Zainab was one of his own cousins. She was a Jewish woman, and he took her, I think it was his seventh wife, could be getting that wrong, in the sequence. Zainab would then go on to poison a leg of lamb, which killed at least one of Muhammad's followers and inflicted upon him a grievous injury. So this is one of the reasons why Muslims hold such grudges against Jews to this day because they collectively blame the Jews for killing the prophet because he ended up dying of some sort of stomach ulcer problem a few years later. She was then killed. But the fact that he found his own cousin, who he had turned into a widow, rather attractive is used as an ideological justification within Islam to say not only is cousin marriage permitted but per the Salafist tradition that says we must copy the exact life of the prophet, live as authentically as possible because he was the perfect man and that's how you get into heaven, it is encouraged.

25:31And when Muhammad brought all of these tribes together in 7th century Arabia, the practice was already very common. So what he did was he created a kind of Islamic super tribe out of all of the disparate tribes and so he just mapped on Islam to their cultural practices. in the Quran there is a verse in the Sunnahs which says that the blood bond between believers still exists and is very powerful this is why there's an Arabist called Alfred Gwilayn who himself is very sympathetic towards Islam he's sort of one of these Oxford educated guys who thinks you know calligraphy and architecture is the sum total of Arab civilization I think there's probably a lot of them in the Conservative Party but he said unlike in Christianity where we have render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, render unto God that which is God's.

26:17There is very little in state law that gets between an Arab and his own kin, so they will protect their own. So the reason that cousin marriage is very common is because of tribal and historical custom, but also religious justification. And this is why when we see Pakistanis imported over to places like Bradford, Birmingham, Blackburn, etc., they're practicing cousin marriage rates of 46 to 60%, and again upwards of 80 % in some clans. And this is why we see higher levels of congenital birth defects. This is probably why we see higher levels of crime. And this is why we see the networks of the rape gangs connected not just by county lines drug gangs, which is how they then drug and abuse the girls, but it's why we see features like a paedophile honesty box being set up outside some of the businesses and houses used for the rapes because they're networks of brothers, fathers.

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27:12cousins who can all trust each other to keep it in the family. And that's why the conspiracy of silence continues. A paedophile honesty box. That's fucking outrageous. Now, if ever I've had a guest on that's been critical of Islam, and that includes ex-Muslims, apostates, that have grown up in Muslim countries and they speak about Islam in a way that Muslims don't like, I'll find that a lot of Muslims will challenge what either the Islamic critic or the ex-Muslim has said. So in relation to cousin marriage and relations, would a Muslim challenge the whole cousin marriage thing or would they wear their I fuck my cousin badge with pride?

27:59It depends whether or not they want to march in one of those pride parades because I'm pretty sure you'll see that colour added to the flag in a year or two's time. I so Stephen Edgington of GB News did a documentary on cousin marriage recently. And there was a practicing Muslim who tried to be a Conservative Party candidate once who disputed the idea that this is in the Koran. This is justified by Islam. And I think what you get there is I don't know if it's malicious or just a differing interpretation. but what you get there is a lot of unsatisfying wiggling about things that are actually in the Quran and Hadiths and selectively advancing one part or the other.

28:41My argument is, and look, again, I'm not a native Arabic speaker, I've just had to, it's bizarre that I have to swat up on this to understand the internal politics of my own country when it's not native to Britain, it shouldn't have any bearing on our politics, unfortunately it does. my argument would be, okay, if it is in the Quran, if this is a common practice among doctrinaire Islamic communities, then you can't say, well, it's not truly Islamic, because clearly they're pointing to the scripture, it's in the scripture, it apparently has a level of divine authority per the Islamic belief that the Quran has always been written eternally on a stone in heaven.

29:18So it is literally the inerrant word of Allah. so therefore you can't kind of pick and choose and actually I feel like you're trying to get one over on me because you know that I'm disgusted by this you know that I recognize it as an alien practice and you're just trying to look for gaps in my armor for where I might be a bit more permissive or liberal about it so that I don't collectively judge this community because collective judgment of communities is beyond the pale and the ruling morality so I think there will be some Muslims that take issue with me drawing connective tissue between the history and the scripture and the modern practices of Pakistani Biradiri clans in Britain's major cities but I don't see how you can refute it if it's there like perhaps I'm just being obtuse about it but there's a reason why it's not in the bible it's not promoted in the bible it was prohibited by Christians, and it's not practiced in England, but it is commonly practiced in pretty much every Muslim civilization we see and the Muslim outposts that have established themselves in our country.

30:19What do you know about the Muslim Brotherhood? And more importantly, what do I need to know about the Muslim Brotherhood? Because I'm familiar with Al-Qaeda, Hamas, ISIS, Hezbollah, but the Muslim Brotherhood I'm not overly familiar with, and by all accounts, they're like the top of the tree. Is this true? They're like the idea nexus for all other terror organisations. So in the 1920s, after the First World War, when the Ottoman Empire fell apart, bear in mind the Ottoman Empire was a force for enslavement, colonisation, brutality, and the capture of the Holy Land. So their history shouldn't be whitewashed.

31:04We're constantly told how evil the British Empire was when we did fantastic works across the world, but you hear very little about the Islamic slave trade, for example, which captured and sold 1.25 million Britons, especially from the Cornish coast, into slavery across Arabia and comparable levels of Africans as well. Anyway, when that fell apart, thankfully, there were a group of Islamic scholars who were heartbroken about the idea that the caliphate would not come because there is a desire in all branches of Islam. Perhaps the Sufis might dispute this because they're more mystical, but they're outcasts.

31:37But in the dominant branch of Islam, that's Sunni and Shia, who often fight over each other. They're never fighting over their interpretations of whether or not a caliphate will be established, a global Muslim government, essentially, theocracy. They're just fighting over who was the rightful successor in the 7th century. The Shia believe it was Ali, who is a descendant of Muhammad. The Sunni believe it was someone else. So, anyway, these guys were upset the caliphate might not come. And so they said, okay, we need to create a global network of jihadists to push in all angles via Darwa, which is like ideological subversion, spreading Islam via the word, and sponsoring terror networks, spreading Islam via the sword, to ensure that eventually the West Christendom will fall to Islam.

32:25And they have sponsored, been the ideological drivers behind exoteric terrorist groups like Taliban, like Hamas, like ISIS. But they've also been sponsoring various idea laundries like the Council on American Islamic Relations, or according to a 2015 report by the UK government, the Muslim Council of Britain in this country, who are involved in the training, according to a Tony Blair government report, you know, the far right, training the overwhelming number of British imams and also the madrasas which then train up the imams. They're also, by the way, trained in Diabandi School of Islam. So that's a subsect of Sunni Islam that was established in the 19th century in India, in Diaband, it's just outside of New Delhi, to, as a political movement, resist the British Raj.

33:16So they harbour a kind of ethnic and historical grudge against the British and the British government, but they've set themselves up in Britain. We wonder why. So the reason for the Muslim Brotherhood's existence is to infiltrate and subvert our respective countries to ideal launder for Islam and also commit acts of terror and then whenever the acts of terrorism are committed to then insist that oh this is nothing to do with Islam by the way there's actually a proper interpretation of Islam. Islam is a religion of peace rather than submission so that incrementally we walk towards a caliphate. And the Muslim Brotherhood has been banned in many Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, the Emiratis, Egypt, but not in our country.

34:00And you've now even got Emiratis journalists coming over. There was an interview with Camilla Tomini in February of this year, expressing the confusion why we don't ban organisations like the Muslim Council of Britain or Islamic Relief, which they say are ideal laundries for the Muslim Brotherhood in our country. And so we've banned them on your behalf, so they can't operate in our country. but their headquarters is in yours. What are you doing? So there are even Muslim countries that think we're insane for allowing these people to operate here. But they are. I'm going to touch base on jihad in a minute, but before I get to jihad, Hamza Youssef.

34:33Do you remember that rant in Parliament? White. Yes, things were far too white and there was a plethora of things that he listed that were far too white, which if you was to say that in another country, you'd probably get your limbs chopped off. If you said that about Jews, that would be in the rantings of Hitler's table talk. Yes, but someone like Humza Youssef and Sadiq Khan, for that matter, do we need to worry about those people, genuinely? So Humza Youssef is a very curious case. Humza Youssef said he is a son of the soil of Pakistan, while also insisting he is a Scottish as a countdown killer, right?

35:12So everyone is a blood and soil nationalist for somewhere, it turns out. For him, it's Pakistan. So when he says there are too many white people in Scotland, What he means is we need more Pakistani Muslims in power. This is what Anas Sarwar had said. Anas Sarwar's father, I think, was the first Muslim MP in Scotland. And recently he says we need more Asians, Pakistanis, Muslims in power. Basically saying we need to push the Scottish out of their own domestic politics. That just to me seems like both Islamic activism and ethnic grievance politics. Perfect to the sort of Diabandi Islam activism that's happening in our country now.

35:45As for Sadiq Khan, I think that he's more worrisome than some total embarrassment like Hamza Youssef, whose political career went about as well as him trying to ride a scooter down a hallway. Sadiq Khan dedicated his career as a human rights lawyer to defending every Islamist you know. Sorry, I'll correct myself because Islamist is a common term that people use to distinguish jihadist radicals from this hypothetical peaceful Muslim majority, to which I would say, well is the Prophet Muhammad himself an Islamist? Okay, well then the distinction is redundant, isn't it? Sadiq Khan defended every Muslim terrorist you could think of at the time, including the one detained 9-11 hijacker, including advocating for Louis Farrakhan, head of the Nation of Islam, who's called Jews devils and termites, who's condemned white people over and over and over, to come to Britain when his visa was blocked.

36:36Sadiq Khan's brother-in-law was a member of Al-Majroon, so he had signed a charter and he had obviously distanced himself from it what he didn't distance himself from though was calling Muslims Uncle Toms on Iranian state funded TV while he was an MP in parliament yes so Sadiq Khan has a long history of backing pretty much every radioactive Islamic terrorist under the sun and taking very hardline opinions on Islam so it's no wonder why he's advancing with Keir Starmer on camera an Islamophobia definition that would silence critics of Islam where he's putting up Eid lights across London, where he's censoring the use of the term Christmas market.

37:18It's just a winter market now. He is very, very tribal. He is trying to launder ideas on behalf of Islam and make sure that it succeeds a growth in politics. And the only reason that he has a foothold in London, much like Zoran Mandami, who won yesterday in New York, is because the majority of London is now non-English. If you look at the boroughs, it's like the London banana, people call it, sort of loops up and under. The areas where the indigenous population have been chased out to, they, in the last election, voted for Sadiq Khan's rival, Susan Hall. But the majority of strongholds in London, where they are of immigrant stock, so they're more likely to vote for the Labour Party because they promised them handouts, or they are Muslim-majority places like Tamar Hamlets, They vote overwhelmingly for Sadiq Khan because it's client politics.

38:09It's ethnic and religious grievances against the host population. So he's turned London into his own personal fiefdom, despite his odious Islamic views. And so if we continue to provide demographic and thereby democratic fodder to political Islam, we will lose. And despite the fact that Keir Starmer will be only too aware of what happened in 1979 in Iran with the Islamic Revolution, still with that in mind, why do you think Starmer's got such a hard on for Islam? I think it's something similar to the reason that the Socialist Worker Party stand up to racism people who were standing in Whitechapel a weekend or so ago when there was a march planned against the Islamic takeover of the area.

38:58said, there's no need to shout al-Akbar, we're on the same side, bruv. And then one of the balaclava clad, impulsive jihadists in question shouted, no, we're not. He went, yes, we are. They don't realize that they will probably end up on the wrong end of a crane if an Islamic revolution is successful because they believe everyone is equal. They believe that if we just lower the Union Jack, put up a few Palestine flags, fund a few mosques, encourage community relations, by liaising with community leaders that the government will personally appoint, that eventually, given enough time, they will become indistinguishable from you and me.

39:36And some of them also aren't reading the cortex, so they have bought the lie that Islam is a religion of peace. This is why George Bush, after 9-11, was so confused why they hate us, why they fight us, which eventually ended up being a magazine article titled by ISIS that explained all the reasons they hate us for being decadent kafir westerners in their magazine in 2017 barack obama in 2014 says isis is not islamic it's like oh thank you uh noted islamic scholar barack obama teresa may said she had a favorite quran verse and that the london bridge attacks were nothing to do with islam even prevent today and that's a perhaps a separate topic about who formulated that definition waffles on about phantom far-right threat but it says clearly in its glossary of terms, Islamist is not taken to be representative of any of the followers of Islam.

40:22So why is it in the word? Contradiction is never resolved. But these people all genuinely believe that we are fungible, swappable, equal economic units. This goes back to the liberal philosophies of the 17th century, like Jean-Jacques Rousseau, the guy who is the ideological driving force behind the French Revolution, who said that we were basically all wandering about in a Garden of Eden before society was rationally created. And the first man who picked up the first rock introduced inequality. And we've all been downhill ever since. And so all we need to do is erect a government that acts in the collective will of the people, redistributes all resources, makes sure we're equal.

40:59And then when we realise that we're only unequal, we're only at each other's throats culturally because of the injustice of being geographically pried apart, because of the greed of certain capitalists, because we are told by the media that there are ethnic or religious or cultural differences. Only when the scales fall from our eyes will everything be an egalitarian utopia. And these people actually believe this. The reason they believe this is because Keir Starmer is a lifelong Marxist. Peter Hitchens has explained his Pabloist roots. It was a faction that when Hitchens was a Trotskyist, they were dueling with constantly.

41:32They were obsessed with green issues, sexual liberation and racial egalitarianism, as well as economic Marxism. Keir Starmer's Marxist roots share the same anthropology that all human beings are equal as liberalism. Britain has been overtaken by liberalism for the last hundred or so years. And so this has allowed the Marxists of the Fabian Society, of Keir Starmer's legal judicial activist variety to hijack Britain's instincts, its own system, its own individualism, and flip it on its head to say, well, you aren't making sure that everyone's free from bigotry, from judgment. You aren't making sure that everyone is equal in outcomes.

42:15Therefore, you're not being liberal enough. And so we need to use human rights to redress those imbalances. And so Muslims are just another oppressed, non-white, non-Western constituency that he can act as the umpire in order to give the full suite of human rights, in order to bring about the egalitarian utopia. He can act on their behalf. The worst example of this is that there's a group called Hizb ut-Tahrir they're responsible for basically watering down prevent to not monitor islamic terrorists or you know terrorists on the whole as actually rid of kibana slipped through the net ali habiyali who murdered sir david amos slipped through the net Hizb ut-Tahrir were blamed by sir william shorecross in his review of prevent in 2023 as having engaged in an activist campaign since 2008 to draw their attention away from Islam.

43:08When the Conservative opposition in 2005, opposed to Blair, wrote a campaign to try and get Hizb ut-Tahrir prescribed as a terror organisation, which they now are, Keir Starmer, while Director of Public Prosecutions, wrote a letter to the European Court of Human Rights on Hizb ut-Tahrir's behalf saying this is censorship of free speech and they're an important voice in democracy. And it's because he believes that he is the ultimate arbiter of good community relations in his total vanity to bring about an egalitarian state. But as you've said, the Muslims don't believe in this stuff. Loads of tribal anti-white minorities don't believe in this stuff.

43:45All of the cries about fascism or bigotry or egalitarianism or communism, it's all just window dressing for the fact that they don't like white people, they don't like Christians, they want to steal their stuff, they want to take their women, and they want a caliphate. There's different forms of jihad to my knowledge. Before I ask you if you think we're seeing jihad in the UK, Can you define jihad for me and the audience and the different forms of? The version of jihad that is advanced by Islamic apologists, including the Muslim Council of Britain, who via their Centre for Media Monitoring, they inform Ipsos, the press regulator.

44:22They give seminars to the BBC, ITV, Sky News, News UK as well, like the Times and places like the Sun. they say that well you can't describe terror attacks as acts of jihad because they're nothing to do with jihad jihad is individual internal spiritual struggle that struggle is against something called fitna so fitna is opportunities for temptation uh someone really good to read about this is actually ed hussein the ex-jihadist he founded the quilliam foundation with majid who did the research into into the grooming gangs and they found the majority were pakistani perpetrators. They were called far-right racist.

44:59They've been utterly vindicated. Ed Hussein wrote a book in 2021 called Among the Mosques. And because he is a second generation Indian, I think he's a Sufi Muslim, he was able to walk around and go unnoticed in mosques all across Britain. And he spoke to young Muslims and they would constantly say that the Western world presents too many instances of temptation. Like there are bars on every street corner. There are women coming up on my Facebook feed. There are bikinis on the beach. We've got to avoid this. We've got to stamp it out because it tempts me to sin. And jihad is the struggle internally, according to them, against temptation.

45:40But this quite quickly leads as a factor to radicalization and towards what I and Hussi Ali would call cocooning, basically insulating yourself in Muslim on caves and doubling down on practices like FGM to face failing to banning music and dancing because it's a form of temptation. Jihad goes from internal spiritual struggle to a constant crusade against the outside world for presenting you with opportunities for temptation. And this is why we get so many jihadists, violent jihadists, who are homegrown, whether it's converts like Jihadi John or whether it's the 7-7 bombers or the Lee Grigby killers or the London Bridge attackers or they're the sons or first generation refugees this is also something that a manchester member of manchester council had said about mosques in manchester to hussein he said when you go to the mosques now they're being overtaken by guys from syria and libya and iraq and afghanistan and then second generation muslims who are taken in by their course radicalism because they've seen violence, they're used to a doctrinar Islamic state.

46:47They come over to the West. They're surrounded by women who are dressing immodestly and talking to men and aren't walking 10 steps behind them. And they're thinking, this is literally hell. I need to wage jihad to prevent fitna. So this sort of retaliation against our way of life encourages violent jihad. And violent jihad is actually the proper definition in the Quran. So jihad, when you look at the root word, is most commonly associated with violence or fighting or fighters, mujahideen, which is where the Taliban fighting force got their word from. And there was one of the caliphs had said that jihad is his way of life and he compiled an entire book of hadiths on jihad.

47:27And he himself was a warmonger. Loads of the caliphs were warmongers. Even from the first caliphate, they were abducting slaves. They were particularly obsessed with what they would call the people of yellow. So fair-haired, fair-skinned. This is why there's a fetish for Europeans. and this is why you get the concept, I think Tommy Robinson said this before, of rape jihad because rape is a kind of weapon of war against the temptresses who will cause you to sin and stray from the path of the perfect life of the Prophet Muhammad. This is why there is a religious element to the Pakistani rape gangs as well.

48:02This is why survivors, there was Dr Ella Hill, it's a pseudonym because obviously she fears for her life but she wrote in The Independent that she was told to stand in the corner and was not only called racial slurs, but had Quran verses shouted at her. This is why there is a political dimension to the gangs. Katie Lam, MP, got up in Parliament earlier this year and read out a transcript from one of the trials where one of the perpetrators had said, we're here to fuck white girls and fuck the government. So all of this jihadist justification for their violence, their way of life, is bound up in all of the crimes against us, the political activity that their laundering groups have conducted in our country.

48:41It is essentially a religious and ethnic war against the West. And people will go, oh, you're just overblowing it. It's like, no, this is what they're saying. And when people tell me who they are, I tend to believe them. And this is what's happening in the UK as we live and breathe. Sadly so. This is why whenever you point out the crimes of the Pakistani grooming gangs or you point out that despite making up 6.5 % of the population, Muslim terrorists are the overwhelming number on MI5's watch list. They have committed about, I think it's 99 % of all of the injuries and deaths from terrorism since 1997, since basically the IRA went defunct.

49:24Why they're the overwhelming majority of terrorists in custody. Why this is common across the world. The Islamic terror is the most common form of terror across the world. There's currently a genocide going on in Nigeria against Christians by Fulani herders who, yeah, are trying to take their land for ethnic reasons. But also the Nigerian Muslim government is basically covering this up because they want to enable their co-belligerence. If this is a common pattern across the world, across the West, across our country, then there is a common route. Now, I will add a proviso because there is a lot of criticisms here of us trying to make it too ideological.

50:04Because I think we in the West, as Englishmen, we're obsessed with ideas, whether it's chatting down the pub or at the Oxford Union debates. We think of things in terms of two individuals discussing their life philosophy. there is a level of impulsiveness, evil, what you might call mental illness, as we've seen with this alleged train stabber the other night, that defies rationalization. When this guy, Anthony something, I forget his name, boarded a train, just asked people if they want to die, went and stabbed 11 people, people thought, oh, is it another terror attack like ISIS called for in September?

50:48No, it seems that he is mental. That doesn't excuse his evil, but he's mental. Now, rates of psychosis are 10 times higher in black males than in white males in the UK. That's despite us constantly hearing about disparities in access to healthcare, about the relative stigma against mental health in ethnic minority communities. So Islam is the greatest civilizational threat we face, but it is not the only threat. And just addressing immigration from the Islamic world will stop that civilizational threat. It will bring down the number of overall crimes. It will rid us of these incessant pro-Hamas marches that promise to repeat October the 7th against indigenous Brits.

51:36But I will say it's not the only problems we face. So I just want to add that little bookmark. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. Yeah, this isn't me being facetious. and I'm sure you've thought about this while scratching your head, why do so many pal-skinned ginger men revert to Islam?

52:24Okay, so there's a few things there. Because there's one in five Islamic converts now in prison are white as well. And we keep seeing a lot of videos. I know there's a rapper in Lewisham who's ginger. There was a guy just the other day who was trying to plot a bomb plot, and he was a homegrown Anglo-ginger terrorist. So there's a few reasons. First of all, in Islamic mythology, Muhammad had a ginger beard. This is why you see quite a few Salafist Muslim men in the sort of traditional Islamic garb walking around areas of Birmingham or London with bright, like, what's it, orange beards. It looks crazy.

53:04There was a guy who did this, actually. He tried to sue a pub late last year. it was called the Saracen's Head. And the guy who tried to sue it had previously been investigated for terrorism and he had one of these bright orange beards. So they're trying to emulate in the perfect man fashion, Muhammad. And so if you induct yourself as someone of low status, who's not particularly desirable, who've maybe been bullied a bit for being ginger growing up, into a religion that suddenly confers value on you, well it's a bit like being an ugly bloke who can't get a girlfriend and then you induct yourself into the trans community and it's like oh you're brave and you're beautiful and you're a stunning woman and then of course this has a ratchet towards radicalization because throughout the hadiths there is the promise that if you are a martyr if you commit jihad you will be rewarded with virgins in heaven who never get tired of you having sex with them who never get pregnant who never get diseases, and you will be fed on large platters, the fruits of paradise, by young servants.

54:12If you think, well, I can't really get a girlfriend, I'm not that good looking, I was picked on for being ginger growing up. If you think, well, this religion's offering me everything, what do I have to lose? That might be a draw factor for those alienated young men. Illegal migration. Do you think the flooding of the UK with unvetted men from countries with ideologies very different to ours and the flooding of our hotels now spanning over the entire United Kingdom. Do you think that's done by design? And then after you answer that, I'm going to ask you what your message would be to parents with children.

54:56Because there's one thing me ranting and raving with a shaven head covered in tattoos, telling parents to make sure you police your children correctly. And if you know that the Sheritons housing migrant men, make sure they steer clear. But now they're being placed in HMOs and, you know, people may think that, I don't know, I'm being unreasonable because I'm a stereotypical looking yob, you could say. You're clearly an educated man with a full head of hair and they may take your word more serious. And I feel morally obligated to protect as many people as I possibly can. So is the invasion done by design?

55:29And what would your message be to parents? So as far as whether or not it's done by design, let's do a lay of the land first. There's been 180 ,000 detected men, largely men, 85 % men or more, crossing the English Channel from France in dinghies, funded and organised by international smuggling gangs since 2018. You can add loads more on lorries that we haven't caught. We can also add, by the way, by 2017, 1.7 million illegal migrants and illegal visa overstays. In 2021, they stopped counting. So we have no idea how many illegal migrants, all of whom are foreign criminals, are in our country. It's just that the boats crossing and being put up in hotels are the most offensive one because it's the most visually obvious.

56:13These men ahead of time telegraphed their predatory intent for our women and girls. In August of 2023, I helped GB News' Home Affairs editor, Mark White, break a story. I had been forwarded some evidence by a contact who had worked as a contractor with the Home Office, who had found that on Instagram and TikTok, people smuggling gangs were setting up accounts to market to men mainly from North Africa, that's Algeria and Morocco at the times, judging by the flags, probably the guy that's just been accidentally let free, 24-year-old sex offender from Algeria, who's now roaming the streets, like Hadoush Kabatu, the Ethiopian sex offender, the police are now on a nationwide manhunt for.

56:53These people smuggling gangs were showing footage of successful break-ins under the borders in Europe, so like sneaking in via the German border or crossing boats on the channel, intercut with footage of British women and girls on nights out, dressed immodestly by Muslim standards in Manchester and London, drunk, vulnerable, to imply this is what awaits you. There are also, strangely, videos of interracial relationships and burning down churches. So their intent is violent. Their intent is predatory. They think they are promised our money, our women and girls, as the prizes of plunder. And again, we can go back, we can see this with a fetish for white blonde women in the early caliphates as an ideological justification, but also just the impulsive and violent justifications of men from that part of the world where they don't value women as having equal moral dignity to men like we have historically in Christianity and in England where our women could own property for a very long time.

57:54So that's their intent. That's their numbers. As of 2024, we found out that we were spending at least 14.4 billion on this every year. That bill is only going up because the numbers are going up at the same time compared to last year under Keir Starmer. the number is estimated to increase drastically as well nick timothy did some work on this earlier in the year yvette cooper's changes to how illegal migrants are provided benefits because they wanted to hide the number from the foreign aid budget to the welfare bill is set to double that amount over 32 billion pounds every single year bear in mind we've got veterans sleeping on the streets we're paying billions for these predators to stay in hotels at our expense.

58:35Is it by design? Whether or not it is a plan to destroy the country, you couldn't tell the difference. Because whenever a politician said we're getting a handle on this, you know, Keir Starmer trots out digital ID is somehow a solution to this. Don't believe them. Because Keir Starmer wrote the textbook for lawyers on how to apply Tony Blair's 1998 Human Rights Act, which wrote the European Convention on Human Rights and subsequently aspects of the 1952 UN Refugee Convention into law. That is what they appeal to any time that a foreign criminal or illegal migrant is denied their asylum claim or said, because per the 2007 Nationality and Borders Act, you've got an offence of over 12 months, you need to be automatically deported.

59:20So this is why Albanian repeat offenders can say, my autistic son likes British chicken nuggets, I can't be sent away. Or a Pakistani paedophile can say, well, if you deported me, it would be upsetting because I couldn't see my children. This is what they appeal to. Keir Starmer wrote a textbook on that. They are unwilling to repeal the laws that they have supported and made a career off of. So whether or not it is intentional to have these men here, the net effect is they won't do anything to stop it. The final thing to consider is that their contractors, like Serco, are making boatloads of money off this.

59:55the contracts have ballooned to the billions and the reason they're being dispersed in houses of multiple occupancy via what Angela Rayner dubbed Operation Scatter where every single council across the country will get their equitable share of migrants is because housing in the hotel costs an average of£145 a night they can take that down to£45 if they stick them in a house of multiple occupancy yes that means that you're now in competition with your own tax money to buy houses, young people because they're buying them for men that broke into the country and want to prey on girls, including men that have lurked around school gates recently.

1:00:29And the police denied it happened, but then the police and the school teamed up to warn parents, don't let your children go on a company because you've had reports of men lurking around the gates. And lo and behold, the migrant hotel backed onto the playing field. So my message to parents is this. Tell your daughters to be wary, not just of any stranger, but of any man who is not English, especially because disproportionately men from Afghanistan and Eritrea who have made up the bulk of small boat arrivals this year commit sex offences at rates 22 times that the British passport holding population that's not even broken down by ethnicity if it's by ethnicity it's even more drastic so if she gets approached by for example a man like Hadush Kabatu the Ethiopian sex offender who tried to sexually assault a 14 year old school girl in uniform in Epping, which caused the Bell Hotel protests, eight days after breaking into the country, which mysteriously the judge at the trial said, you're a man of good character because you didn't have any offences before that.

1:01:29If she is approached by a man like that, scream, scream. Because someone will come running with a video camera and someone will come running to stop it. Because the police at this point, and certainly the government, are doing nothing to protect your families. We saw when the young girls, there was a migrant hotel that was set up without notifying the local community. I think it was in Aldershot. It was near a train station and two girls' schools. And there's video of this where they had a town hall meeting in a church. And of course, the usual stand-up-to-racism renter mobs gathered outside to say, this is racist.

1:02:00They found out not only were the migrants getting private medical and dental care on site, so they didn't have to even queue up and mill about an NHS waiting room, which we're paying for, but the police refused to put a curfew on those men being out near a girls school after they had been rumoured to approach them already because of their human rights so we are in a position now where the government considers foreign criminals who telegraph their predatory intent against our women and girls ahead of time to have more human rights positive protections than the native population who are forced to pay for their presence in our country so between this mad period where our government is endangering your family and the just day when we kick every last one of these foreign criminals out of our country, encourage your children to be more prejudiced.

1:02:48I'm glad that you gave that cautionary tale and that bit of advice to parents. I don't think we can beat that drum often enough because a lot of people think it will never happen to them until it does. That's what I always think when I see the counter protesters. I think just you wait until it It lands on your doorstep. Well, the worst example, if I may, in the last week, there was an Egyptian, I believe, asylum seeker, fake refugee, housed in a hotel near Charing Cross Station. Now, Charing Cross Station is one of the stations on the main train line that goes to my area. And both I and my wife travel quite frequently through there.

1:03:29There was a woman who was walking home in the late evening. I think this is in May of this year and she overheard a group of men speaking in a foreign language and she asked them what language do they speak and immediately one of those men who didn't speak any English started shouting at her following her to her train he used a translation app because he didn't speak English to say I want to F you giving her rape threats he then abducted her took her away from the station and on CCTV raped her So, Charing Cross Station, one of the busiest stations in London in the evening, because he was going home from work.

1:04:05So, if your family members travel through these areas, I'm just saying now, they're not safe. And currently, because the trial is ongoing, I think we can be safe to say that he probably did it, given he's on CCTV. His lawyer, who themselves is of immigrant heritage, is saying he should be given bail, unleashed on the streets, not be held on remand, because he has anxiety and claustrophobia. Now, I happen to think that his victim, whose life has probably been ruined, probably felt a bit uncomfortable and confined when he was sexually assaulting her. But the entire human rights apparatus in this country exists to give more consideration to the criminals, because remember, they only committed a crime because we were racist.

1:04:45We didn't give them enough housing or job opportunities. More consideration than their victims. And this is something that Zoe Williams, I know I'm going on, I'm sorry, in The Guardian wrote about the protests that started in the summer peacefully with the parents of Epping. She wrote about Hadoush Kabartu, who's now been convicted. She said, well, put yourself in their shoes. Wouldn't it be really hard to integrate if the majority of the public didn't want you in their country? If you had protests outside your hotel every day, wouldn't you be inclined to commit crimes? Translation, because they protested after he committed the crime, because people don't want unvetted foreign men who declare their predatory intent ahead of time breaking into their country and house at their expense.

1:05:29Well, what can we do but expect them to commit sex acts against children? That is what the government, that is what the media class that make excuses for them, that is what human rights lawyers think, and so your family aren't safe. You're very critical about Islam and its literature. Are you ever concerned that there'll be a fatwa put on you? I haven't been notified about it, So one of the main outlets I write for is Courage Media, and it was founded by Ayan Hirsi Ali. For those who don't know, Ayan was born in Somalia, lived in Kenya and Saudi Arabia. Her dad was imprisoned by the Somali communist Islamic government.

1:06:04She then fled a forced marriage, ended up in the Netherlands, became a member of parliament, and tried to make a documentary with a man named Theo van Gogh about the treatment of Muslim women in these enclaves. She has a lot of very interesting insights, for example, about how even things as commonplace as consideration for public spaces, littering, noise pollution, is not common in Islam because they believe that literally every single action is foreordained by Allah. So you don't have to do tiny acts of kindness or virtue because your fate has already been determined. And so when confronted by Dutch people who are living with Somali refugees, why are you throwing your gum wrappers on the ground and why are your children racing around at the dead hours of night and you're not taking care of them?

1:06:44they'd go, inshallah, it's God's will. As in, it's in his hands, I don't have to do anything. So these are just these small mindsets that she could explain to people. When she was making that film, the director, Theo, was murdered by a jihadist. He had his head cut off, he was stabbed to death, and the fatwa against her was pinned to his body by a knife. She lives with permanent security, has done for nearly 20 years. I've worked with I.An, appeared on camera with her multiple times. I don't have the money for private security. I don't have my family in the public eye. Because you never know when some complete head case is plotting away at you.

1:07:19Like they did with Sir David Amos. Sir David's killer had stalked multiple Conservative cabinet ministers, including Michael Gove, who continues to make excuses for Islamic immigration, but we'll park that one for a moment, because of his stance on the invasion of Libya. And he went up to him in constituency surgery, no security, stabbed him to death in front of everyone, calmly sat down and awaited to be arrested. Now, I've never been recognised and threatened in person. I'm sure there's plenty of people that hate me online. But the only alarming instance I had was a woman who was well-meaning, but not all there.

1:07:52Back when I used to present the show at lotuses.com, had followed me across the country to the train station and waited outside to meet me, to proposition me because she fancied me. This is not a brag at all. This is to say you don't know who is working out where you are, what you do, and is obsessed with you and will act on it. Fortunately, she wasn't violent. She just got a well-being check from the police. But if she was, I wouldn't have known about it. Now, you mentioned Michael Gove, and I'm going to come to him in a minute because there's a few things I'm interested in about Michael Gove, a few things I've heard.

1:08:30Maybe you can clarify. Maybe you can't. But I know you've had a fallout recently. Something's happened. But before we come to Michael Gove, the deep state, that's another term that people will hear a lot but won't really know the meaning of. So what is the deep state? Does it exist and what does it do? Deep state was popularised, I think, by the likes of Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump during the first term. And this is because there are permanent civil servants and bureaucrats in government who will engage in what is called malicious noncompliance. basically frustrating your agenda by losing a few papers or leaking to the press or saying, oh no, minister, this particular part of the civil service code means we can't reduce migration because we have to rely on independent advice from the Treasury that says immigration improves the economy.

1:09:20So you're going to crash the economy if you reduce immigration. So we can't enact our manifesto pledges. Basically, the deep state describes a permanent, unaccountable, unelected government who cannot be fired or replaced by elected ministers. who ensure that the government is based on a set of railway tracks only ever going in one direction. This is the case in America because after Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the president during the Second World War, the guy in the wheelchair, who helped set out the United Nations with his wife, after he passed the New Deal, he expanded America's civil service, its bureaucracy.

1:09:54So it ballooned to have one of the largest governments in the world. And now this is why you're seeing the Trump administration via executive orders during the government shutdown with Ross Duhat's work, firing loads of permanent civil servants. One great example was during the State Department sacking, I think it was 1 ,500 civil servants and bureaucrats. They went around on their way out putting up posters saying, to those who remain, remember, you're fighting fascism. It's like, oh, theatre kids in government, right? So that's America. That's why Trump couldn't get anything done in the first term.

1:10:26He didn't realise the kind of Gordian not here to come. in Britain we have a permanent bureaucracy we have more civil servants per capita than communist China in our country the share of the economy that is run by the government is cutting up to 50 % and we can't get rid of people like cabinet secretaries who set the agenda for the government they tell ministers what their briefs are they tell them what is within their policy remit and which laws they call.

1:11:28probe plants. touch which levers they can't pull we can't get rid of them because of pieces of legislation that Tony Blair passed Tony Blair is the great constitutional vandal there's a reason he's starting to look like the painting from Ghostbusters 2 it's because he's a completely corrupt man but every government since Tony Blair has been Tony Blair and it's because he enshrined the civil service code into law which says ever since Northcote Trevelyan especially since the Second World War the civil service has to be neutral they have to be able to give advice to ministers despite their party political allegiances.

1:11:59One big problem there. Have you ever met anyone who goes into politics and doesn't know a political opinion? Of course, there's no such thing as a neutral institution. There's no such thing as a neutral and independent judiciary. There's no such thing as an impartial civil servant. Instead, replace the word neutral, independent, or impartial with unaccountable, because that's what it actually is. So what we've had is civil servants who skew a certain way because the institutional culture is obsessed with things like DEI, who go into these institutions and stick it out there, who only ever want the expansion of government to give their own job security, who join lobbying bodies like the LGBT group or the Islamic network in the Home Office, where 700 Muslim activists control counter-terror policy, they control the response to terror attacks, which is why we keep getting told don't look back in anger.

1:12:49They set immigration policy. Like, some of them have been, one just got prosecuted for taking bribes to overturn rejected Muslim asylum applications. Another had fabricated documents saying a Muslim country was safe to reject asylum application from a Christian woman fleeing forced conversion. So this is why you get these permanent bureaucrats, these permanent civil servants, because Tony Blair enshrined the civil service code into law that says it has to be neutral. And so if you as a minister complain about civil service, if you challenge their advice, if you challenge the Treasury or OBR's modelling, if you say this civil servant isn't enacting my agenda I want them fired you will be accused of politicizing the civil service you are the one that's causing corruption and you the elected minister not the civil servant has to go should be completely the other way around this is something that this trust has been complaining about I think we've been discussing quite a lot in the sort of political space whether or not reform UK considering it's poised to be the next government will be Trump's first term and get nothing done or Trump's second term have a plan for government And I think what Liz Truss has done by pointing out the deep state and how she was frustrated in her tax cuts by the Bank of England, who printed loads of money and scuppered interest rates and lost loads of money according to their own reports.

1:14:05The Treasury and the OBR, who's modelling undercounted immigration by a factor of three, they thought it would be 245 ,000. It was well over 800 ,000 net migration. she has pointed out that this deep state thwarted her and so she is trying to make it so that she was trump term one and reform could be trump term two because what we need to do is on day one and i say we the collective right no matter what one thinks about whether or not reform will live up to their mandate we need to have a plan to repeal all those laws fire all those civil servants replace everyone that's going to get in our way and fix the country the deep state needs to be destroyed.

1:14:41If you was PM, I know Liz Truss said a very short stint, so I suppose the first thing you've got to do is make an impact. What's the first thing you'd do if you were PM? Great Repeal Act. This is something David Starkey's talked about. This is something that's on the radar of quite a few people in Westminster now. You would list all of the laws that would get in the way of you enacting your mandate. The Equality Act, the Human Rights Act, the Climate Change Act, the Constitutional Reform Act, the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act, based on the existence to the Supreme Court. You would, I would get rid of the Race Relations Act, for example, that demands that every government department has to ensure good community cohesion.

1:15:17I would get rid of every bit of legislation that encodes the UN Refugee Convention into law that allows these men to stay in our country after breaking in. Put all of those on a bill, promise it in the manifesto so the Lords can't block it because the Lords can't block anything that's promised in a manifesto bill. That's why they might block the assisted dying bill because Starmer didn't put it in the manifesto. Stupid of him. Put it all in a bill. On day one, use your stonking parliamentary majority to sign it off. And then all of those laws go, and you have a mandate to rebuild the country in your patriotic image.

1:15:50Because at the moment, any government that comes in, no matter whether it's reform, whether it's the Conservatives, whether it's a new entity that has the courage and will to do something, they can't do anything so long as the civil servants, who still sympathise with Tony Blair and Keir Starmer, who is basically the civil service in a bad-fitting suit, you can't do anything while they're still in charge. And what does the ideal Britain look like to you? If you could paint the perfect picture of Britain. Net emigration, every single foreign criminal deported, a revival of Christianity which is already underway among my generation.

1:16:24Because this is something that I think a lot of people myopically focused on immigration. It is the major issue, but often forget, is that even without all of these unnecessary problems in our country, We still have a lot of cultural and economic woes that we need to address. Tax remittances to the hilt. Abolish all DEI laws. Withdraw all state funding for non-Christian institutions. And allow some time for us to become coherent again. This is what Katie Lamb got lambasted for the other day, where she said that basically millions of people must leave, whether here illegally or legally, so that we have a chance, not just room to breathe, in terms of public services and housing.

1:17:08But Eric Kaufman once wrote this, immigration is usually couched in economic concerns when actually most people want permission to express cultural concerns. They want to express their anxieties about the world and their doorstep feeling unfamiliar, especially when we voted against it in every opportunity since 1974 and the Brexit referendum. And Katie Lamb said, we want to feel culturally coherent again. And what that means is, one, Britain being acknowledged as the property of British people, that British culture and British traditions, not British values, the Scouts Pledge invented by the Conservative government in 2014, are the property of those people, and that anyone else who is here is a member of our national tribe if they have positive, friendly relations with those people, if they're members of our friendship circles and our family, if they defer to the host majority, their culture and their identity.

1:18:02That's how you build a culturally coherent, cohesive, peaceful and prosperous country again. I basically want to return to the Britain, which may not have been as material or technologically prosperous as we are now. It may not have had as many neon vape shops or William Hills on the high street, but compared to every country in the world, was a moral force for good, had much lower crime rate and had a sense of wholesomeness and familiarity. There's a reason that all these videos that go viral on Twitter of either these cultural experiences like sitting on a steam train or our videos of Canterbury in the 40s through the 60s.

1:18:41It's because you might be accused of nostalgia, but there were things about the past that are better. It's why nobody fantasizes about the future anymore because the future looks like the UK. He looks dystopic and miserable and returning to the first topic, like some sort of ethnic conflict is inevitable if we continue on the path that we're going down. Yeah, what a great explanation that was. And going back to Michael Gove. So I've heard from several people that he's like the Wizard of Oz of the Conservative Party. He's in the background pulling the strings, but the dark strings, there's a bit of an undertone to him.

1:19:15I don't know how much you can or cannot reveal, but what can you reveal about Michael Gove? Is he a dark string puller within the Conservatives? I think the downfall of the Conservative Party can be attributed in part to Gove, in part to David Cameron, in part to William Hague. There's a sort of cabal of Conservative permanent fixtures who modelled themselves as the heir to Blair. Michael Gove went around the Department of Education handing out copies of Tony Blair's autobiography and called Blair the master. And I think what they did was, rather than recognizing the legal and constitutional changes that Tony Blair did, the Supreme Court, the Civil Service, the Human Rights Act, the Equality Act, which enshrined his way of doing politics into law, instead they thought, well, it was Blair's ideology, his progressivism, his social liberalism, his tolerance and his immigration policy, which was the secret to his success.

1:20:14so they didn't do anything to unpick the laws that Blair put on the books that forced them to do that and they doubled down on the progressive values that the country by and large didn't want whether it was championing LGBT under Boris especially the total farce of there was an MP who fled the scene of a car crash because he had a late night liaison with a man despite being married to a woman and he fled the scene in a dress and then came out as trans to get out ahead of it and boris johnson during pmq said we have our first trans np and we're proud that it's in the conservative party mental right boris another one of these guys whether it's that whether it's migration insisting there's no such thing as ethnic identities indigenous to british isles that literally anyone as they walk for the passport gates of heifer and gatwick or step off the beach at dover or as british as you and me and you're a bigot if you don't notice otherwise whether it's David Cameron saying we need more Muslim members of parliament, we need more business people, we need our first Muslim prime minister, and thereby making Baroness Fawsey the chairwoman of the Conservative Party.

1:21:21Baroness Fawsey's chief of staff, by the way, is a guy called Richard Chalk, and Richard Chalk was the head of RICU, who is the department that bus imams out to the site of terror attacks and say don't look back in anger. So it's all very nefariously connected. Whether it's that, whether it's David Cameron's insistence, as he wrote in the Times in 2022, that we were all pale, male and stale. So I decided to do something about that with all women and minority shortlists. Priti Patel being one of those candidates, by the way, Priti Patel, who had said that when she was in the Tory party, before she was an MP, that a man had come up to her in the Union Jack tie and she had felt that he was bigoted.

1:21:54This is typical rank Tory party, like plastic patriotism. So she was offended by our own flag. And yet she was the Tory Home Secretary who conducted the Boris wave. Whether it's all of those things, whether it's social progressivism, whether it's just they want to be in power and so they're desperate to control who the eventual prime minister is, you know, pushing Rishi Sunak to the fore, even though he wasn't popular, helping Kemi Badenok throughout her career. She worked at The Spectator. Then she was put on a candidate shortlist. She lost once. Then she was elected in 2017 for Saffron Walden.

1:22:26It's alleged that Fraser Nelson wrote her maiden speech as well, while editor of The Spectator. She then was put on the Race Equality Committee. that was spearheaded by Minira Mirza, who leads Civic Future and who is married to the shadowy Tory party candidate fixer called Dougie Smith. Dougie Smith, by the way, used to run sex parties in stately homes in the early 2000s. I'm sure those two things aren't connected. That committee was organised by her. That propelled Kemi Badenok to stardom. Michael Gove was the first person to endorse Kemi Badenok in the pages of The Spectator as it happens when she ran for leadership.

1:22:58And then when Rishi Sunak lost the election, Rishi Sunak, by the way, was good family friends with Manira Mirza and James Forsyth, the guy who was the political editor at The Spectator, who then went on to be his political advisor. Weird network here. When Rishi Sunak lost the election, stepped down as leader, then all of those outlets, Telegraph, Spectator, etc., went into overdrive, pushing Kemi Bednock. As Charles Moore once said, the oldest party in the world being led by a black African woman would be a sight for sore eyes. Well, it turns out isn't reflected in your polling numbers. So these people are obsessed with power, status, not being called mean names by the media, even if it's at the expense of the success of their own party and, as it turns out, the state of the country.

1:23:41I had a debate with Michael Gove recently, which was shelved mysteriously by the spectator. We're still trying to get to the bottom of it. They promised me the footage in writing. I wasn't provided with it. Anyway, during that debate, I said to him, not only did we not want your immigration policy, Michael, but it's I'm hard-pressed to think of one single good thing that the Conservative Party did throughout 14 years in government, and that's half my lifetime. And if you think I'm a radical, if you think that my politics are beyond the pale, if you think I'm too blunt, that I'm inflammatory, that I'm provocative, as he said, consider that I am a product of what you did to the country.

1:24:13You, your government, is the most influential force on the lives of young men like me who were born after 1997, after Tony Blair changed the country, after you continued his radical revolution. And so if you don't like what young men in this country have to say about your government, maybe you shouldn't have done it. Before I ask the final question, possibly could be the most important question, certainly where you're concerned, where can people find you? And I will put the links in our description. What platforms do you use to do your pieces to camera and your influencing? So I'm on YouTube, just under Connor Tomlinson.

1:24:48I waffle on for hours, as they've probably gathered by now. I write for Courage Media. I also write on a sub stack that's just under my name or Tomlinson Talks. and I am constantly on X at con underscore Tomlinson. Okay, so I'll put those links in there. And before I ask Conor the final question, please like and subscribe to the channel so I can keep bringing you these interesting conversations. And I'm sure you'll agree this conversation has been unbelievably interesting. I'm kind of blown away by your attention to detail. Oh, grateful, thank you. Yeah, I've thoroughly enjoyed this. I'm looking forward to your return already because there's so much more I'd like to talk to you about.

1:25:26but I think a 90-minute window is good for everyone. But the final question is, I've obviously done my due diligence for today. I've looked into you and I've seen and I've read how people describe you. There's a lot of complimentary stuff. But for the people that I've seen call you an ethnic, racist and fascist, what would you say to them? And I suppose the summary, who is Conor Tomlinson? So I'll take those in reverse order. I'm not a fascist because I'm not from Italy in the 20th century and I don't think you can replace God with the state and I don't think that you can bind everyone's identity under serving the state.

1:26:01So I'm not a collectivist in that fashion. I just think fascism is a stupid philosophy. As far as racist goes, I am not going to take the slander of the term racist from the people who covered up the Pakistani rape gangs, who called milk racist, who said that you can't be racist towards white people. So the people that will level that charge at me, I don't care. As a Christian, I think that your moral responsibility is that of an individual. And so like ethnic groups do not have collective guilt or sin. So that's just incorrect. But again, if you're going to lob that charge at me, I don't care.

1:26:34I just hit when I hear you're a racist, I hear you've lost the argument. In terms of ethno-nationalism, I had this conversation with our mutual friend, Andrew Gold. I think ethno-nationalism and civic nationalism are a false binary. Ethnicities exist. They have historically been the foundation for nation states because all nation states come from tribes, which is just a collection of families. Ancestry, ethnicity, they're just another word for a chain of families that you can chart over time. And all cultures proceed from nations, nation meaning ethnicity. This is why the Jews were a nation, even though they were in Egypt at the time when they became that nation.

1:27:07It's not about the landmass. It's why they didn't cease to be an ethnicity when they were cast out of Israel and, you know, wandering across the desert or even in Europe for hundreds of years. So ethnicity exists. However, it has no moral meaning. Just because someone is ethnically Yoruba, as Kemi Badenock once said she was, that does not mean they are a worse person than me. Their actions might make them a better or worse person than me. Just as Keir Starmer is ethnically English, but he is an inveterate traitor, and I will much better get along with the African priest who leads my congregation than any members of the Labour frontbench, despite them sharing an ethnicity with me.

1:27:46However, the label ethno-nationalism has been used as a boogeyman to say, well, if you recognize that ethnicity exists, if you recognize that countries come from people and that if people become a minority in their own country, that country ceases to be, just as if Israel stopped being majority Jewish, it would stop being Israel. You must hate minorities. You must hate people who aren't your ethnicity. You must want to kick everyone out of the country, whether or not they're half English and half another ethnicity, whether or not they're married, whether or not they're friends. You must want them all gone and you must want an ethnically pure state.

1:28:22And that bogeyman has given undue credibility in a very tightly controlled media environment to the absurd positions that Michael Gove and Fraser Nelson have, which is there is no such thing as an English ethnic person. Now, sensible people like Suella Braverman, in her interview with Andrew the other day, said, I'm British Asian. I think there's something important about saying that, yes, there are indigenous ethnicities to Britain. They have been here a very long time. And until the windrush rocked up, we were 99%, basically, ethnically homogenous. So I don't think that either civic nationalism or ethnic nationalism are adequate terms to describe what a nation consists of.

1:29:04A nation consists of a distinct people, which is a tribe with a state religion, with a state culture. and that if those people cease to be a majority, that nation will cease to be. That doesn't mean that through friendly relationships rather than values or human rights laws that take moral consideration out of the equation and allow horrible criminals to be given the same consideration as, you know, a good immigrant like Ayaan Hussi Ali, that doesn't mean that that tribe can't have people enter it as friends, kinsmen, and marrying into the tribe. It doesn't mean they become English, but it means they become members of our family, members of our friends.

1:29:46And I think that's just a sensible position that's been held by pretty much every nation state, including many now, since the dawn of time until we went under this liberal delusion that's destroying our country. Well, as much as I'd like to have the final word, I'm not. I'm going to finish it there because that was fascinating. and I admire your honesty and your courage for going where people fear to go because of the subject matter you do. So what I will say is I hope no harm comes your way. You stay very, very safe and you and your family live a long, fruitful life. And I'm hoping that this time next year we can go again for round two.

1:30:26Happy to. Good elf, sir. Pleasure. Cheers, mate.

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✅ About Liam Tuffs.The Dozen with Liam Tuffs is a no holds barred podcast channel, where True Crime, Celebrity, Politics, Current Affairs, Combat Sports & Comedy are amongst the topics discussed! I sit down with some of the most fascinating and controversial characters including ex-gangsters, comedians, bare knuckle fighters, boxers, celebrities, and politicians to bring you raw & unfiltered conversations.

From underworld secrets and true crime confessions to fighter career insights and the dark side of fame, I discuss the stories most people are afraid to tell. These aren't just interviews - they're real, gripping, and often shocking accounts from those who've lived it, survived it, and have nothing left to hide. If you're into true crime, fighter journeys, and untold celebrity stories, join me as I discuss the truth behind the headlines!


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