Helen O'Hara: Minor Celebrity (ft. Tom Hanks & Tim Allen)

24:49And, I mean, I do worry about there being potentially too many villains. you know this is a perennial complaint of mine but I trust that they can find a way to kind of weave these stories together many villains many allies just many characters I think like Tom Holland is so effortlessly charming as Peter Parker and I think we're all quite invested in his relationship with Zendaya since it is absolutely everywhere so seeing them kind of forced apart in this is quite traumatic within and without the narrative so you're really really rooting for these crazy kids yeah I have very high hopes for this film I saw a story yesterday saying he had confirmed that they were, in fact, married.

25:26And it was the most oblique confirmation you can possibly imagine in your life. But if they are married, I think we all wish them well. If they're not, we still wish them well. I just, you know, good on them for making everybody wonder about it, quite frankly. It's nobody's business.

25:38Chris Hewitt:I like them. I'm rooting for those crazy kids. I think this looks very, very good. I echo your sentiments, Hells Bells. I'm worried that this is going to be overstuffed. There's a lot going on here. Yeah. There is Banner and the Hulk. You've got to set up that relationship and pay it off. Now, obviously, the guest star in these Spidey movies that are MCU, but also MCU-adjacent because they're mainly produced by Sony, whether it's Tony Stark or Nick Fury in Far From Home or Doctor Strange in No Way Home, they haven't dominated, really. They haven't really been in it that much, and I wouldn't expect Ruffalo or Banner to be in it this much either.

26:21Chris Hewitt:But then you have this mysterious bad guy who I don't know who that is. There's Sadie Sink knocking around. Is Sadie Sink the bad guy? Is Sadie Sink... Is she in this trailer? I didn't see her. I believe she's the hooded one that you see on Metro. If she is, yeah. Yes. Okay, but not the baddie. Well, it's hard to say what she is. She's wearing a hood, which is never a good sign. It's certainly implied that that is the bad guy, but that might be a misdirect, so we don't really know. Okay, because a lot of people put two and two together whenever she was cast in this and were going, oh, well, the X-Men are coming and she's redhead, so she's Jean Grey.

26:56Chris Hewitt:A lot of people are going, she might be MJ from another dimension. Another dimension. Another dimension. She might even be Gwen Stacy. Or she might be a completely different character. I don't know, but maybe she is the baddie. That would be quite an interesting little wrinkle. Yeah. I think there's been talk of the chameleon or something like that as the baddie, but I don't think that's what's going on here. Then you have Michael Mando as a scorpion, but I feel like that's something that happens in the first 10 minutes of the movie. Yeah, that could be like an opening scene, maybe. Potentially, but we don't know.

27:24And then obviously you've got to set up a bit more of the Frank Castle relationship as well.

27:28Chris Hewitt:Because they haven't had one. No, so that'll be interesting. And they seem to be quite pally in this. Like maybe he's using Frank's hideout at that point where he brings MJ there in the trailer. It's one of those things where you're going, okay, kid, he's literally a mass murderer. why are you hanging out with this dude? Maybe he isn't. Well, no, he is in this scenario, I guess. I mean, he's, yeah. He's killed a whole bunch of dudes. He's murdered. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of his whole thing. Yeah, okay. Well, I mean... His CV is just a list of people that he's murdered. That's his whole thing.

28:02Chris Hewitt:In fairness, his whole thing is punishing. Otherwise, he would be called a mass murderer. But he doesn't, like... It's not like he gives them a light spanking. Like, it generally involves... Wait a second. You've got to stop. You are deliberately baiting Helen now. I know you are. I don't know what you're referring to. Wow. Helen the prospect of being lightly spanked by John Bernthal as a punisher. Sounds just, gosh, wow. I can't imagine. Helen's been a very naughty girl. This is a PG-13 that has rapidly turned into an NC-17. Good Lord. This is wild. This is terrible. So yeah, they've got to set up a relationship as well and there's a lot to pay.

28:40Chris Hewitt:The hand are in there. The ninja, army. Yes. Yeah. Again, you kind of hope that's a one scene, sort of big action, you know, set piece and not really much more, but you still have to set it up. You still have to explain what's going on. Yeah. Destin Daniel Cretton, of course, delivered, I think, some of the best action scenes in the MCU in Shang-Chi. And I'm hoping that he can do the same here as well. Fingers crossed that that's going to be good. Speaking of Zendaya films, there was also the first look at Shrek 5. Donkey! There was. But you know what? In my mind, Shrek has become something of an object of hate to me.

29:19The films, the character, everything about it, it occupies a very negative space in my brain. And so I was eye-rolling exceptionally hard when this came out. And yet, having watched the trailer, and I hate myself a little bit for it, I found myself somewhat charmed despite myself. I wonder if you've been spending too much time with me, because I sort of somewhat feel that way about Shrek. I think all of the Shrek films, including the shorts, all have the same emotional arc, which is Shrek wants to be alone and then realizes the value of family, yada, yada. I wonder if that will be repeated here, and I hope they've come up with something else for him to do.

29:55Although this trailer suggests not, but he is still just complaining about everyone around him. I think there is a huge, huge sea, ocean of goodwill to these films in a generation below us. younger people are big Shrek fans in particular the sort of younger millennials are very big Shrek fans almost as a generational thing it seems so they are presumably going to fill cinemas for this but yeah there were some good bits in this trailer so it seems to be Shrek, Fiona and at least two of their children last I looked there were three of them so I don't know oh my god no but maybe one is already they're going in search of the one who isn't on screen or maybe I was miscounting because I only watched it once

30:38Chris Hewitt:Is Donkey still married to the dragon? I believe so. I assume so, because you're not going to get a divorce from a dragon, are you? Well, what if... I mean, I wouldn't fancy her chances. I think the dragon might have eaten one of the Shreklings. I mean, that is probably a deal-breaker. Yeah, that would... You'd break up over that. I mean... I don't know. I don't know. She's very winsome. And terrifying. Winsome and terrifying. But yeah, so they seem to go to further, further away, which in search of something or other, and end up in prison at one point. And Donkey sings annoying songs. I mean, Donkey, like, no notes.

31:1310 out of 10. Still a perfect character. The Shreklings, I guess, we're going to have to see how they fit into it. Presumably, Zendaya is one of them. Yes, she's Felicia. And then you've got Marcella Hernandez as Fergus. And Scalugasondo, we love him, as Farkle. So, I don't know. Hopefully, it'll be good. it has been

31:34Chris Hewitt:incredibly 16 years since Shrek Forever After which wasn't very good it wasn't I can't really remember it was that the one with Prince Arthur or was that Shrek 3 I think it was which one's the one with Prince Arthur I think it might have been Forever After who's Prince Arthur remind me Justin Timberlake oh was that 3 or 4 yes that's my question okay I have no idea clearly we would not do well in Shrek Quiz Yeah, this is where we need Ben. Ben's in Liverpool at the moment. He is unavailable to us. There is no means of communication through which we can contact him to ask this. So I don't know or care which one that was.

32:13Chris Hewitt:But it's been 16 years since Shrek Forever After is my point. And has Shrek maintained cultural cachet in that time? Or has he lost a little bit of the green sheen in that time, do you think? Because if I'm right in thinking, the Shrek... exhibition or the Shrek Shrek-shibition Shrek-shibition what was it? The one at County Hall in London that's now the Paddington Yes that has become Paddington Exhibition right? It was quite fun I went when it was Shrek Right So that was keeping Shrek in the minds of the Little Lins Yeah Right? And obviously there's the Shrek musical which returns periodically and appears like Brigadoon and shows up in a theatre every now and again and then just disappears for a hundred years but otherwise is Shrek the big noise that it used to be and he used to be at the box office you know what's how's this movie going to be received I wonder when it opens next year next year I think there was a lot of hype for it at the end of The Last Wish Puss in Boots The Last Wish where they sort of had the little sting suggesting that Shrek would be back there was a lot of excitement and I think this this trailer has had a a large reaction online so I feel like there's an audience there baffled by the amount of excitement at the end of that because I was like, I could give no fucks if Shrek comes back but I gave no fucks about Puss in Boots until I saw The Last Wish and I was suddenly like, oh okay, so if they did something like that which they are clearly not doing here, that would be great but this looks like it's more of the same but maybe with a little bit of maturity to it maybe a little bit more trajectory, a little bit more interest some new jokes, some new situations, some new characters Look, you know, when's the last time Zendaya signed up to a film to do an animated voice and the film was not much cop, you know?

33:59Has she ever been Michi? I don't think so. So I'm sure that she's signed on because the script is great. Did either of you watch the trailer for The Last House? Louis Le Carrier's new horror film, which is extraordinarily COVID-coded, which is, this has got Gretelaine and Wagnamora in it, and they are in their house and they try to leave and the door won't open. Obviously, that's something that's happened to all of us at one point or another, but the door won't open, the windows won't open, the windows won't break, they cannot get out, they're stuck in the house. and then as we understand from the trailer it's not just them it's everybody stuck in their houses lockdown metaphor here but kind of what throws you in the trailer is they say like day one day two day 31 and then it goes straight to like day 1 ,200 and something and you're like ooh shit and then there's more supernatural gubbins going on but this is coming to Netflix very soon and I have to say yeah I really want to see this yeah it looks really really creepy it's an interesting one to have in the same year as the other family who are transported to like dinosaur world.

35:01The end of Oak Street. In their house. So I think we're basically scared of our houses, but we're also scared of leaving them. Yeah, that's right. It's definitely delayed COVID trauma, I think, that's bringing all these films up.

35:12Chris Hewitt:But yeah, this was good. Would you be able to survive if you were locked in your flat right now? If we were locked in this studio, we'd be dead within a couple of days. Helen would kill us both. In your flat right now, do you have enough stuff to survive for three years? Do you have enough stuff to plant, to grow, to drink. I presume, does water get cut off at some point? Where does the water come from? It seems that electricity and water continues because they would then be dead very quickly. All right, so who's profiling the electricity and the water? Aliens. Are there people trapped in their electricity plants?

35:40Are they still running up bills? Like, what's happening with that? Well, I mean, if there's magic forces sealing you in, you've got to assume that, you know, they can hand wave a lot of stuff. Magic did it and ran away. Yeah, magic did it. Okay. Magic water, magic electricity. Okay. Magic sewage. Because, you know, if your flush doesn't work, you've got a real problem. This is very, very true. That's the other thing. Like, they're growing plants, right? Yeah. To eat 1 ,200 days. You remember what happened to COVID? Where's the toilet paper coming from?

36:05Chris Hewitt:I bet that's not covered in the film. Yeah, you can't just get... Okay, well, here's another thing. Could you get, like, an Amazon delivery through a drone? I'm guessing not. Can a drone leave a factory? Well, they literally cannot open a window. So they wouldn't be able to receive the package. Have you heard of letterboxes? Have you heard of the chimney? Well, so you're saying every day literally is Christmas Eve. If it works for Santa Claus. It could work for drone deliveries. Yeah, fucking Santa's trapped. When you're talking to Amazon, like, please, you know, in the delivery notes, please drop down chimney.

36:36Yeah, the only thing I get down my chimney is bees these days, unfortunately. So, no. Not the bees. Not the bees.

36:42Chris Hewitt:In the interest of winning another Segway Award, you said Fagnamura is in the last house, of course. Of course. He is also in talks. Oh, my word. He is also in talks to join the Ocean's Eleven prequel, which is being prepped right now to star Margot Robbie and Bradley Cooper, who is also writing and directing it. Okay. Is that not exciting you? It's unexpected. Yeah, more than Bradley Cooper, if I'm honest. What? But he's good. I think he's good. What's Bradley Cooper ever done to you? What's your beef with Brad? Well, I did have to sit through a couple of his films that I wish I hadn't, but you know.

37:29But that's the same with Fagnamora.

37:31Chris Hewitt:Hey, I quite like his films. He's not unimpeachable. Didn't say we were. He's been in some bad films. He's been in some good films. But so is Bradley Cooper. What's your problem with Bradley Cooper? I'm not saying I have a problem with him. Why is our voices going up like this? Why do you hate Bradley Cooper? Why do you want him to die? You do not like to be hanging with Mr. Cooper, that is for sure. What's going on? I don't know. Name one of these bad films, Burnt. All right, shut up. Joker. He produced it. I'm not blaming Bradley Cooper and Joker. Maestro. Maestro was good. What are you talking about?

38:03Well done, but it wasn't fun. Nightmare Alley wasn't fun either. Nightmare Alley is a fucking great film. He's gone very high pitch. You know he's upset. It's hurting my ears. You come for my boy Bradley. Uh-huh. My best bud Brad. My best bud.

38:17Chris Hewitt:I'm shocked by this. I'm stunned. Not into silence. sadly but there you go I think this is a really unexpected turn for Bradley Cooper that he's writing and directing this and there's a big old tentpole that's going to come out next year it's going to start shooting soon any day I guess and it'll be out next year and they've been talking about this for years I think it might be 60s set or that was the idea originally and Jay Roach was going to direct it then it had Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling and then Gosling went off Jay Roach went off and in comes Bradley Cooper Now, of course, Is This Thing On?

38:54Chris Hewitt:The movie that was Cooper's last as director, which I really, really liked. Actually, that was pretty good. I thought it was terrific. Actually, it's my favorite of his films as director. I think he's a really, really good director. Tanked, I think is the polite way of saying it. So maybe he's thinking, well, in order to be able to make films like that, again, I have to do the one for them. And if the one for them is me and Margot Robbie looking cool in doing a casino heist of some kind. Yeah, I'm on for that. That does sound okay. All right, fine. He's also in talks this week for a Sean Penn film about January 6th.

39:31He would play a police officer at the Capitol, I guess.

39:34Chris Hewitt:Yes. It sounds like, when is he going to make that if he's... Well, apparently he's going to make it after he finishes the Oceans movie. Well, good luck with that. That sounds like a busy, busy couple of months. Hey, speaking of prequels, my... Oh, the segwaying continues. God! The segwaying is off the charts good. There is a rumor, I don't know how confirmed this has been yet, but there was a rumor, Ben sent me a text yesterday going, oh my God, that Evil Dead Wrath, which is the next film of the Evil Dead conveyor line after Evil Dead Burn, which is out in a few weeks over here. Evil Dead Wrath just finished filming in New Zealand and will be out in 2028.

40:17Chris Hewitt:will be a prequel. It will be an Evil Dead prequel set in 1972. Now, I don't know exactly where this has come from because I didn't do any investigative digging other than just looking at Ben's text and going, oh, that's interesting. But what do you make of that? I mean, I care nothing for Evil Dead, as you know. So I don't care. The thing is, it's twofold. I don't like the Evil Dead films and the more recent ones, I literally don't watch because I am told that they are gnarly beyond words. Yes. And I don't have the constitution for it. So this is yet another film I don't plan to watch. I'm glad I came to you, Helen.

40:50Great, thanks so much, James. Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know how much explanation we really want of Evil Dead as a concept. You know, it's one of those things that maybe works with an element of mystery, confusion, which is not to say that a prequel will necessarily explain too much, I suppose. And there were elements of prequeliness in Rise in the fact that the, you know, the tape, not the tape, the record that they play obviously takes us back to, what was that, 1920s or something? Yeah, something like that. So, you know, there was an element of, oh, this has happened before, you know, there's an untold story there.

41:30So we kind of have that set up, I guess, already. I mean, look, I wouldn't be averse to them going slightly less gnarly and slightly more comedic, but equally, I can't deny Evil Dead Rise was really effective.

41:44Chris Hewitt:Yeah, this is a franchise that's definitely gone away tonally from Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness, and has very much gone for the really... The gnarled. The gnarled. The gnarled, yeah. Yeah, very much so. But I'm excited about this, a prequel. The same text I saw was a story, someone had written a story about it going, this is the first time there's been a prequel or first time, the earliest movie in the franchise, and Army of Darkness is right there. Medieval Dead, people. Evil Dead, Evil Dead. Do you, are you surprised that this has already finished shooting in May 2026, I think it technically finished, and isn't out for two years?

42:25Yeah. Or a year and a half at least?

42:27Chris Hewitt:Yeah. That feels like an unusually long post-production period for an Evil Dead movie. I wonder if they're trying to not overwhelm audiences with them. And maybe they'll bring the release date forward. I don't know. could do but you know there's evidence to suggest that it can go both ways right you can hit audiences with a film a year from a franchise or a couple of films a year and they'll lap it up but it comes a time where it's maybe a little bit of oversaturation kicks in and maybe they're worried about doing that with the Evil Dead franchise maybe so but all I know is that this sounds intriguing and exciting and as an Evil Dead fan I don't know if I've ever mentioned that in the podcast I am excited and bring it on Yes, please.

43:13Chris Hewitt:Thank you very much indeed. Okay. One last thing. One last thing. Anya Taylor-Joy has joined the hunt for Gollum. Yeah, as a new elf. Yeah, she's an elf. Called Serenity. Just Seren. Seren now. Because when I saw this, I was like, ah, she's playing Galadriel. Nah. Because that would make sense. But no, she's playing Seren. Is Cate Blanchett in this? Not that we know of, I believe. Okay. so any speculation you people who have read what was it James? those things where the pages were bonded together? books you've read some books including specifically The Lord of the Rings specifically The Lord of the Rings can you speculate on who Seren might be?

43:56no great presumably look she's one of the sort of more hunter-y end of the elf you know spectrum you know it goes from like nobility who lie about all day and just like are like la la la and talk really slowly diaphanous gowns Yeah, Daphne's gowns. And then there's the sort of the more, tends to be associated more with the woodland elves, like Legolas' people rather than Galadriel's people.

44:19Chris Hewitt:Thank God you were rescuing that because that started to sound like you had not read a book. I have read a book. You were absolutely faffing around there. You were floundering. Wow. But then you brought it back. Thanks so much. With some of that book learning of yours. So well done, you. I'm excited. Okay. Yeah? I mean, yeah. Does this film need to exist? Maybe not. but are we excited to go back to Middle Earth? Absolutely. Oh, cannot wait. Cannot wait. Cannot wait. Exciting stuff. Hey, do you know what else is exciting? What's that? Guests. Hurrah. Should we have some guests? Who have we got?

44:53Chris Hewitt:We have Tom Hanks and Tim Allen. I don't really know what they've done. I'm going to quickly Google them. Okay. But maybe you can fill this in. No, I'm buzzed about this. Oh, that's very good. And Chris has got a massive... Anyway, let's... Anyway. Yes, I have a massive Jesse. Yeah. And I'm very, very excited about this movie. This movie, of course, being Toy Story 5, which is the... Counts fingers. Or thumbs. Well, counting my thumb, I have five fingers on my left hand. Four fingers, one thumb. And yes, this is the fifth movie in the Toy Story franchise, which, of course, back in 1995, Matt Damon gif.

45:33Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm so old. I'm going to die soon.

45:40Chris Hewitt:Back in 1995, Toy Story came out and introduced the world to, well, Pixar, of course, but also to Woody and Buzz, those lovable toys who come to life when you're not looking. The premise of this movie is fucking terrifying. It's great. Absolutely terrifying. Anyway, we've loved Woody and Buzz and the gang and their adventures over the years, and now they're back, back, back. Andrew Stanton, Pixar legend, is at the helm of this movie. And it sees Woody, who of course went on his, went his separate ways at the end of Toy Story 4, brought back into the fold by Buzz and Jesse whenever some tech is introduced into the life of their new toy overlord.

46:26Chris Hewitt:I don't know what you call the child. What do you call those small people children? Yeah. Bonnie and they send out the distress signal and Woody answers the distress signal and things unfold from there now Tom Hanks and Tim Allen legendary legendary actors of course have been foicing Woody and Buzz in the films from the off and when they came to London recently to promote the movie I jumped the chance to sit down with him in a London hotel room had a ton of fun Tom Hanks Tim Allen Woody Buzz enjoy This is for the Empire podcast. You guys came to our magazine a couple weeks ago. And in fact, Tom and Tim, that's where I want to start because you told Empire magazine something.

47:11Chris Hewitt:Tim, you told Empire magazine something that I want to dig into deeper. The two of you have obviously never worked together in live action, but apparently you've been pitching Tom some sort of weird... We always do. I pitched, we did Jungle Cruise. Yeah, we did a thousand years ago. But they didn't want to, they wanted a period piece. I wanted to do a current thing where it, you don't know as the audience because it's these two actors, but you'll go, where have I heard this before? You know, there would be little lines, like his name would be Freddie. And I'd go, come on, Freddie. And then my name is Lutz or something like that.

47:50So Lutz, come on, Lutz. Oh, come on, Lutz. And there's been two stories that I pitched to him, And we tried one. The script got there. And Disney just, they didn't want to make a joke about current Jungle Cruise. Okay. And it was a little too scary for them. And I've pitched it to a couple times. I'd just like to see it because I'd like to see Buzz as an individual. That same guy and the same connection. Yeah. Not liking each other at first and realize they were very much alike. And there was a detective story. I won't get into that whole story. But a detective where. So he fleshed us out. Oh, yeah.

48:26I think it would be very interesting because what's powerful about Toy Story is Buzz and Woody. That's how the whole thing started. The whole thing is based on a friendship that we all understand. The best things in our lives is a friendship somewhere. As you said earlier, it doesn't matter how long we haven't seen each other. You pick up right where you left off. We're also these guys that are in this gig. I've been doing this since I was seven years old. What if you told a story like that? And we just instantly fall into these themes that we think would be great in order to imagine. But it's very different than, you know, let's start from scratch.

49:02Sometimes we just don't fit into the grand unified scheme that Disney has mapped out for its corporate structure for the next 44 years. That sounded scary just now. Yeah, well, okay. Don't go into that inner sanctum. Kind of spooky, right? You don't ask those questions of the people. You're going very uncomfortable. Because we are in Disney's world, right? We are. We all are. The old guys dressed like Mouse come in there and go, yank me out.

49:28Chris Hewitt:So would this have been a live action thing? Like a low-budget live action thing with the two of you walking around? I don't necessarily have a low budget. I don't know where that came from. No, just like a lo-fi. So you could shoot it on run and gun, you know. I just think it would be weird. Number one, it would be fun to actually work with him. Because these you don't actually get to work with. It's just hi-bye. The way that I interact with him, this being a compliment, This is a very good actor. As a stand-up comedian, I've worked with great actors. They've taught me a lot. I've been very blessed to have really good actors go, look at me when you're talking.

50:03And I've learned how to be an actor. As I said, Philadelphia was one of my favorite movies. And the performance that he did, you're just like going, I bought it. That's a good performance. And to do a movie with him would be very fun to respond to him. I think it would be great. Which we do not get to do in real life when we shoot the Toy Story movies. We call it shooting even though we're recording it. We're not even in the same room at any given time. My fear is that we're doing a movie and halfway through, first scene, Tom goes, this isn't going to work. I'm going to say I cannot look at you when I am talking.

50:42I can't. Well, this seemed like a good idea. Tim, good idea, good script, can't do it. I'll work on Monday. You work on Tuesday. I'll work on Wednesday. You work on Thursday. We'll take Friday. Didn't they, didn't My Three Sons was like that? Oh, yeah. Just, you know, you did. Fred McQuarrie, he would come in two days a week and just, he was always in the rocking chair talking and there was nobody in the scene. I know that for a fact. They would change his sweater and give him a different paper, newspaper. Oh, wow. Well, Chip, I think maybe you should have a talk with her about that. We could do that till the cows come home.

51:13Chris Hewitt:That's amazing. So, for example, even back on the first Toy Story, you know, that famous scene where you are a sad, strange little man, You have my pity. You are a toy that that scene obviously you weren't the same booth But who recorded first? What were you what were you acting off? I have because my first I have a series of writers both of my TV shows and when I stand up that help with it. I basically It's all empire You put it that way. Yes an empire more of a tyrant situation is we ad-lib that joke Okay. And I don't remember the process of it. I'm reading it. He's screaming at me because he's, you are a toy.

51:52And he was getting me mad. And then my thing goes down and said, and it was an ad lib line. You are a sad, strange little man. And you have my pity. Wow. And this was a comedy bit I'd been doing. And it fit there. And at that point, as I recall, and again, it could be my memory because it helps me, is the room burst out laughing. And this was at a point when it was kind of back from when Robin Williams did his movie, where they let him ad-lib quite a bit. And the first, when I started ad-libbing and they were working, it was early enough in the process that they didn't have the thing already set up.

52:31If I ad-libbed a line over an image, they'd go, wow, that's funny, but you know. It doesn't quite work. It's not going to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we did it. They did a fake version of it for the electronic press kit where we were literally in the same studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was never used in the movie, but it looked like it. And honestly, it's a good thing we didn't do that because we didn't get any work done. All we were, we're goofing and riffing. But it is amazing to me that we never even tried. That's true. Yeah. I have asked, can't you do a thing where it's surrounded by sound baffles or something like that?

53:04Exactly. And I said, you never even get even Doc in our Disney. I said, why don't we do that at least? And, well, because it really won't work. Technically, it's impossible. I don't want to say, do you know what year it is? And we are still essentially recording this the same way that Walt himself did the voice of Mickey Mouse in 1936. I do not understand it. I just directed a bit of music video with Divine of my son-in-law. And I did the filming of it. And I'm not used to sound people that actually work with David Newman. His team did it. And when he's singing live, the drums and the guitar are so loud, you can't actually hear them in the studio.

53:45So they have to take him out. He has to sing it by himself. Then they pipe it back in. And I said, so he's not actually singing it. He is singing it. And it will match it up to that. And when you have two guys talking, anything he talks over me, we can't use any of that. No. And I said, we have to have a clip of your voice, and we will put it together. Yeah. We should try doing podcasts like that. Something like that. On a Thursday, you lean there and you ask all the questions, or we come in on the following Sunday and Wednesday and provide answers. And you cut it together. It looks like we're in the same room at the same time.

54:23Chris Hewitt:We don't have to sync up our diaries. That's all you got to do. It's so good. I can take the day off. I can see what the questions are in advance. Because now you're saying, because none of this could actually really be happening right now. Yeah. The problem is we're all talking over each other right now because this is real. But that would be, hello, Tim. Hello, Tim. Exactly. And that little gap. There's a little gap. There's a little gap and I just wait. We still, even on regular movies now, we will be talking, we'll be shooting something. And the sound mixer, the guy literally on the board said, hey, there was a little overlap on the dialogue there.

54:56Because then they'd have to use the whole, they'd have to use that whole scene. If there's overlap, there are movies that they let that happen. Unless you literally start all over completely from scratch and make it up, you know, there's stuff that they simply cannot do. Cannot use.

55:10Chris Hewitt:Yeah. It's mad. Now I'm depressed. It's very depressed. There's a guy, you know, you're shooting on a street somewhere and there's a guy with a leaf blower, you know, three blocks away. Yeah. And the guy, no, we still have the leaf blower. You can't. Got to wait for the plane. No, no. Bad story, but I did Santa Claus, the first Santa Claus in Toronto. and we did the whole scene in the park, which is, I'm in five hours of makeup, not a guy that's used to that. He had no idea how uncomfortable 62 pounds of fat was on me. And we did the whole scene, very emotional, little girl came in, whatever it was.

55:43And then I get this note, we have to ADR some of that. And I go, what? We're outside. He goes, you go into this and the whole scene was. Turns out the sound engineer had a hearing difficulty. Oh. Always good to hear that the sound guy has an earring. So there was a buzz throughout the entire scene. I had an ADR the entire 20-minute scene, and there's nothing quite as frustrating. Deep, deep, deep. Oh, my goodness. And you have to match up your voice to your… It's the thing they never tell you when you're studying acting, that you have to go in and recreate it. This is why we do not work together on the Toy Story movie.

56:23Chris Hewitt:that's why we're all alone in with a microphone yeah because it'd be four hours long just woody and buzz riffing but uh but tom tim said as a stand-up that he learned something from me about acting uh as a man who played a stand-up oh dear oh you're going back there yeah yeah i am i am in the thrall of the stand-ups ability to be able to control the whole damn thing themselves. And when you are in the presence of a comedic master, which I heard you are, for me, there's an aspect of one person in a microphone that to me is like, look, that's Mark Twain. That is the greatest storyteller ever. It's been one person holding its way right back to the days of Erg the caveman, who could tell the story of today's mammoth hunt better than anybody else in the cave.

57:21Yeah. And that's him. That's him. Erg. Erg. U-R-G-G. Two Gs. Thank you. Erg the caveman. And then the mammoth is coming right at me. Exactly. I didn't even see him. What is Erg holding there? He's got a rock. Or a bone, I guess. He's got the speaker stick. I control the speaker stick. Someday this will mean something. and everybody else is like hold for a laugh hold for a laugh wouldn't that be funny if there was a caveman that was funny, have you ever talked to Erg everything's horrible everybody's got diseases and you can't eat but that guy Erg, the one Mastodon had one short the tusk was shorter why didn't you tell me this honey I'm not as funny as Erg there had to have been a funny caveman even in those days By the way, all right, we just found the live action movie that we did.

58:14Chris Hewitt:Oh, this is it. That's me. I fancy myself the leader of this clan. But you come in and talk about the R-Army with the flatheads. Would Erg go, where are you from? Which game are you from? Anybody here from the swamp? What is that? That'd be funny. That'd be funny. Just a funny, for no reason, a funny caveman. There must have been one. There must have been one. There must have been the first stand-up. Oh, you know, if we were going to do this, you know, I would be the second banana. I would be, I would essentially be Bud Abbott. What are you talking about? Put that down. You weren't there. How could you say that?

58:50Chris Hewitt:This would be amazing. What if you remade Punchline, but in the Stone Age? Just something like that. That would be incredible. Who's the, you know? Yeah, me in a loincloth. I don't know. Yeah. You know what every comedian says to me about Punchline? Yeah. Is that, number one, it would have been better if it had truly been funny throughout the whole thing. now. And also, what was his locker room, you guys? Every comic, when I saw it, they go, where's the locker room in the club? Downstairs, he and Sally are going, anyway, you pull out your hat and your beret and I go, what in the hell? Who designed the set deck?

59:26Where's the locker room? When the comic gets done, they come downstage. Well, because you see, we needed an arena other than backstage in order to have a different band of conversation. It was just weird that all of a sudden, every comic watcher goes, what in the hell? Locker room. Who had the combination? Well, the original name of the movie was Punchline Junior High. So they just snipped off the Junior High of it and kept Punchline. Amazing.

59:54Chris Hewitt:Guys, I'm glad to go. But just one very, very quick thing about this movie, because obviously Buzz and Woody do not age, but you guys, I believe, do. Yeah. And your voices have changed, maybe? Hey, hey, hey, hey. Obviously, yours hasn't him, but Tom's, you know. Okay, but can you imagine us right now, if we had lived our lives the way they did in the 40s and the 50s, smoking Chesterfield, filterless Chesterfields all day long, getting some version of a knee-breathed every day. Every day. At 445, 430, 415, just getting, we would not, we would have been, well, oh, come, hurry up. We got to get back to Bonnie's room, Buzz.

1:00:37It was a wake-up call. It wasn't for Mr. Perfect because his voice, he modulates it well. I'm still the boy soprano. I had to have little voice lessons because in a very calm way, the Pixar folks says, Buzz is sounding a little old. And I go, okay, I hear you. And I didn't know how to help that, but they take a vocal coach in New York City that does opera in Broadway, told me how to warm up. At your age, you do need a little warm up. And Tom, you just go straight into it? Oh, he's just straight into it.

1:01:06Chris Hewitt:Yeah. I just pump up the heart rate and let it come out of my neck. That's what I do. They flail the arms a little bit. That's it. They flail the arms around. Get going. It sounds amazing. Guys, I can't wait to see you as cavemen, comedians. That's funny. That's going to be something else. Herg. Amazing. Herg, the caveman, and his friend. And will become his agent at some point. The first agent. Listen, the crowd's a little sports tonight. Turned out the saber-toothed tigers really took out a couple of the members of the tribe. So don't mention that. Don't mention that. You're on. Amazing. Ladies and gentlemen, the comedy stylings of Herg.

1:01:44Chris Hewitt:All right, that was Tom Hanks and Tim Allen talking about Toy Story 5. And that's what we're going to do right now because it is the reviews section of the show. Not a lot of movies out at the moment. Certainly not a lot of movies out this week. Because of the World Cup. I just assume it's because of the World Cup over here that they are holding a lot of stuff back. And Toy Story 5 feels like it might be World Cup proof. Not least, I think, because parents will take their kids to see this at times when the World Cup is not on. Yeah, I think the time difference is helping with kids' movies, at least.

1:02:24Chris Hewitt:I genuinely think that's probably what they factored in. They were like, well, they tend to go during the day or early evening. and we'll be okay. Because for this World Cup, we are getting like one big film a week. Yeah. There have been previous years, World Cups and European Cups, I think, where we didn't even have that. So I do think the time difference helps, but it's still a wasteland out there for a lot of things. But this is a big movie and it is in cinemas and it is pretty good, I think. So as Chris set up when he was talking about the interview, this is a high-tech tablet called a lily pad voiced by Greta Lee which is given to Bonnie in an attempt to kind of help her make friends that's the hope that her parents have when they give her this but of course instantly she becomes obsessed she's neglecting her toys she's all about the screen time she's playing online with her friends and lily pad is very smug about her ability to connect Bonnie with other people for example in her dance class and help her make the friends she so desperately needs and not just sit all day playing with dolls and jesse who is really the lead of this film rather than woody and buzz uh voiced still by joan cusack is like no i know best i can help bonnie more than you can you're some weird new high-tech interloper this is essentially jesse's toy story one this is her this is her buzz in a way right um except you know Lilypad is for most of the film a little bit less charming than Buzz and yeah so she's trying to help Bonnie make friends in her own way and ends up getting separated from her and so the film becomes about not just helping Bonnie but also getting Jesse back but also you know dealing with this new threat and also trying to find a new equilibrium once again for the toys as their owner gets older and faces new challenges and faces new interests and has to figure out life once again.

1:04:25So that's kind of the setup. There are not so many new toys this time. There is quite a fun role for Conan O 'Brien as another tech toy. He's a potty training toy that they meet in their travels, who is shaped like a roll of toilet paper. Please tell me this is fictional made up for this film because this weird bum-wiping robot is the stuff of nightmares i honestly don't know but i would not be surprised if such a thing exists somewhere it kind of feels like the kind of thing that somebody's come up with right uh so that's a bit weird i find this really interesting i think it's more focused and i think it knows what it is more and what it wants to say more than toy story 4 did which i thought was a film without a real purpose in life this one i think has an actual point of view and an actual kind of problem it wants to deal with.

1:05:20I think screen time is a real angsty issue for particularly parents, but also just for society at large. If we're all on our screens the whole time, does that help us to do some things but stop us from doing other things? Is it real connection when we talk to people on the internet or is it kind of a faux connection that actually impoverishes us compared to actually meeting up with our friends in person, playing with people in person? these kind of issues are really live issues, particularly now that we're facing AI and all of that. And I think that's a really meaty topic for Pixar to get their teeth into.

1:05:57Whether you think they really sink their teeth into that topic in this film is another matter.

1:06:01Chris Hewitt:Well, I don't think they necessarily land where you think they're going to land. I don't want to say too much, but it's not the anti-AI screed that I think people might be expecting. I think Andrew Stanton and Pixar are very aware of old man yells at cloud syndrome. Yeah, I've kind of talked about this a little bit in the review, and I do think that there's, you know, they're based in the Bay Area. They are a tech firm. They started as a tech firm. They share a finder with Apple, for God's sake. You know, these are not going to be just old man yelling at clouding. If anything, I think they're remarkably reasonable in the sort of the end points that this film comes to.

1:06:41But along the way, you have some lovely character stuff. You have Jessie once again facing that lingering trauma of losing her first owner, Emily, and sort of really forced to confront that once again and go through that once again when she gets lost. And Randy Newman's score is vicious in using the emotional cues from When She Loved Me, the Sarah McLaughlin song. Which kills you every time. Just to like absolutely drive the knife into your heart and really tug the heartstrings. Against that sort of quite heavy stuff, there is also a sort of mostly unconnected subplot where a container full of Buzz Lightyear toys, high-tech Buzz Lightyear toys, because obviously in-universe, Lightyear did better than it did in our universe.

1:07:28So these new high-tech Buzz Lightyear toys are being shipped somewhere. The container falls off. They're all washed up on a deserted island. And a whole bunch of high-tech buzzes then set out to get back to Star Command. And it's very funny and very charming and has almost nothing to do with anything. But I had a lovely time watching that as well. So, weirdly, this is a Buzz and Jesse film and Woody is nearly a cameo. He's a bit more than that.

1:07:55Chris Hewitt:He's a peripheral character. He's a peripheral character here. You genuinely could have made this without Woody. You could have. And it's lovely when he turns up and you're like, oh, I love that guy. He's great. But he is not the centre of attention this time. and fair play to him for kind of stepping back in Jesse's favour. Yes, very generous of Woody. No, but very generous of like Tom Hanks to turn up anyway. And by the way, I think that generosity runs through this. I said this in the review, but I'm still stunned by it. Keanu Reeves is fifth from last build. Now, in terms of the size of his role, that is correct.

1:08:28But in terms of he's Keanu fucking Reeves, you know he could have pushed himself up the cast list if he cared about it. And I think these are people who love these characters and love this series and don't do it for the ego.

1:08:40Chris Hewitt:Or the four lines of dialogue. Indeed. God bless them for it. The Woody thing is really interesting because I think, did you think that worked? Do you think the focus on Jesse worked? It's one of, I think, several bold swings that Andrew Stanton, who of course, if people don't know, is the genius behind WALL-E and Finding Nemo and John Carter. Good movie. Good movie. It's a good movie, but still and you know he is one of the founding fathers of Pixar he was on the you know he's been on the Pixar Parliament Brain Trust since the very very beginning pretty much and he does things that feel new and fresh and different for the franchise and the focus on Jesse is one of them and if you said that to me going in to see this film that the film was focused on Jesse and Woody and Buzz were very much background characters supporting characters in this I would have thought this won't support that but it kind of does to the point i guess say you could have taken woody out of this movie completely and maybe not missed a beat i think it was entirely necessary because this film doesn't need to exist it felt it feels to me like toy story 3 was a perfect ending to this series and toy story 4 was this weird coda that didn't do anything or say anything particularly interesting this on the other hand is for me almost like the midnight sun to toy stories twilight where it's essentially it's forefronting jesse and she's dealing with the same existential crises that woody and buzz have dealt with previously because you are retreading the same ground here i see i don't feel there's a lot new here narratively but i think seeing it through jesse's eyes makes it more interesting i totally get what you're saying about the tech stuff i think you're right that is kind of a salient thing i just don't think they massively engage with it uh gressily is great lily pad isn't really positioned as a villain in this but more of sort of a well-meaning if misguided new device.

1:10:33And it is something, you know, it's definitely like every parent watching this is like, yeah, okay, I get you. But I felt a little bit like this was kind of reheated Toy Story for me. It felt like it's the same thing. People aren't playing with toys anymore. It's like, we get it. We've been here. We've had these emotional beats. You know, we've shed these tears. I didn't feel like shedding them again. And I felt like, with the exception of the Bluetooth buzzes, which I very much enjoyed, I didn't think the laughs were here. massively for me either so it's fine i didn't hate this film at all it felt inessential but i like and i like the new perspective but it's it's definitely not i mean it's definitely better than toy story 4 but that's where i probably place it but did you like or did you warm to

1:11:16Chris Hewitt:because in terms of other perspectives it does something that no toy story movie has done before in that it it front and centers it's human it does yeah i actually quite like the bonnie aspect of it and I think it has because you're right the humans haven't really felt tangible in the way they're doing this and Bonnie's actually it's really you know you shed a tear for Bonnie because she's just this lovely little girl who's really struggling with friendships and lots of young children have that problem and this is a problem that's exacerbated by reliance on devices and mean kids being mean on chat groups um so actually yeah I thought that was a really nice touch and I think the sort of human aspect of it was probably the strongest you know from an emotional standpoint but it's the toy stuff and some of the toys that we have come to know and love Mr.

1:11:59Potato Head all of those people Rex they're here but they are very much in the background they don't have a lot to do they don't have a lot to say so it feels a little bit less of that kind of chaotic comedy ensemble that maybe we're used to but you know it does give Jesse more screen time but I think you also lose a little bit from it as well yeah I could have done with more you know of that crowd and less of Mr. Smarty Pants which is the Conan O 'Brien I liked Mr. Smarty Pants He was good, but I didn't love him. You just like him because he's got poo emojis on him.

1:12:29Chris Hewitt:He does. He does. That's 100 % the reason. He's kind of in it more than Greta Lee. Yeah. Than Lily Park, actually. Which I did not expect at all. But Jimbo, let's be honest here. You went to see this movie for one reason, and one reason only. Taylor Swift has written a song. Five stars. Five stars down for Toy Story 5. I was genuinely surprised. So the song plays over the credits. It does. Oh, does it? Okay. it's not I thought it was she was going to heartbreak the Sarah McLachlan I thought that was the point of getting Taylor Swift in for this song and it's not that at all they don't even go that way they go more for cutesy rather than heartbreaking and it's lovely it's a nice song it's peppy but it's not sad you don't want a heartbreaking song over credits but also I don't think you can try and top When She Loved Me I mean don't even go near that you wouldn't be able to do it so I think it was probably a good idea to take a tonal shift that's what we should have done is the question in what are the most heartbreaking songs in movie history?

1:13:25You know, like, Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas and Meet Me in St. Louis, or When She Loved Me in Toy Story 2. You know, what are the ones that will absolutely wreck you? My heart will go on Celine Dion.

1:13:39Chris Hewitt:It's a great song, though. I Don't Want to Miss a Thing. Danger Zone by Kenny Loggins. Oh, my word. All of the Top Gun soundtrack. All of the Top Gun soundtrack and I'm going for Dangerous. It does take my breath away. But yeah, maybe that one. Maybe the one from Armageddon. I don't know, maybe send it in to me on Instagram. We'll consider it for another week or so. I need to think about that. That's a really, really good question. Streets of Philadelphia is pretty heartbreaking. Yeah. Philadelphia, just in case anyone's listening. Yeah. As is Neil Young's Philadelphia, both of which were nominated for Best Original Song that year won the few times.

1:14:20Chris Hewitt:I know this is my hobby horse, but one of the few times that category has not fucked it up. Not sucked. Monumentally. Yeah. But yeah, I don't want to miss a thing. I want to shake the hand of the daughter of the bravest man I've ever met. And we have shaken that hand. We have shaken that hand. We have shaken that hand. When Bill Fichtner came to the office for a web chat. I've shaken Bruce Willis' hand. Oh my God. I've shaken Bill Fichtner's hand. I've shaken Michael Bay's hand. And Liv Tyler's hand, presumably. No. Oh, I have. Have we? Yeah. firm handshake. You've shaken Liv Tyler's hand? Yes, twice.

1:14:53Wow. Twice? Did you ask permission to shake the hand? Yes, yes. I asked permission to shake the hand of the daughter of the Bravest Man.

1:15:01Chris Hewitt:How many times do you reckon she gets that on a weekly basis? I hope a lot. I really hope a lot. I think I shook Bill Fichtner's hand. I did a Q &A with him on stage and I think I might have finished by asking I'd like to I want to ask permission to shake the hand of the man who asked permission to shake the hand of the daughter of the bravest man he's ever met we had him in for a web chat I think we said it then yeah we did say that yeah I'm sure he gets that a lot as well but she is the daughter of the bravest man he's ever met so she should get the quote directed at her oh yeah when did you shake the Tyler's hand?

1:15:35I've interviewed her for a few times for The Leftovers I interviewed her for Incredible Hulk really?

1:15:42Chris Hewitt:yeah I don't think I've ever interviewed her quite a few times Hells Bells I know you did her recently with Kate Blanchett yeah but that was on Zoom that was on Zoom Yeah. Yeah. You can't shake the hand at the daughter of the bravest one you've ever met. Oh, and I interviewed her for Two Tows as well. Wow. Nice. That's exciting. And what did we give this one? We gave it four stars. Four stars. Specifically, I did. Oh, I was going to say. And who did that? What idiot did that? That was me. And you did that. Okay. And you wrote it with tech? With a crayon. I wrote it with, yeah. On principle, I wrote it with crayon.

1:16:12On a stone slate. On a stone slate. Does that even work? And then I transferred it to email and sent it to John. Amazing.

1:16:20Chris Hewitt:All right. Four stars then for Toy Story 5, which is in cinemas right now. Also in cinemas right now, very, very bravely going up against both Toy Story 5 and the World Cup and the US Open and everything else that's happening. Queens has started this weekend, right? Queens started. Well, the ladies' queens was last week. The men's queens is finishing this weekend. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So very exciting. So very, very brave of Virginia Woolf's night and day, I would say, to be released in this marketplace. Jimbo, tell us about this movie. This is, fact fans, Virginia Woolf's longest book. And I would argue one of her least lauded, certainly her least talked about books.

1:17:06She didn't write it very highly. No, she did not. I think it was one of her first. Yeah, it's one of her early ones. This is directed by Tina Garavi, and it is set in Edwardian England in 1910 in London. And you have Catherine Hilbrey here, or Kit, played by Hayley Bennett. And she is, I would say, an amateur astronomer, which is an extrapolation from the novel. I believe it was mentioned once, I think, in the book. But here it's her whole defining personality. She's obsessed with the universe and the stars and telescopes and everything. And we meet her in a kind of chaotic falling off the roof moment when she's trying to look up through her tiny old telescope.

1:17:40All she wants to do is to study physics at Cambridge. This is not a time when women are allowed to study physics at Cambridge. Her father, here, played by Timothy Spall, just wants her to get married. And he's trying to marry her off to her oldest friend, who is William, played by Jack Whitehall, on his foppish finest form. And a lot of it is about her looking at her place in society as a woman, you know, the repression of gender, fuck the patriarchy, all of that, and can she get a place at Cambridge? It's a really interesting way to kind of interpret this story, because you can kind of imagine this because the book is much more about the various different relationships and suitors that she has and will she get married to this person?

1:18:16Will it be this person? Who will she be forced to wed? There's a lot more of that in it and that is almost entirely swept aside and it focuses very much on her friend Cyril who is her kind of... Her cousin? Her cousin, yeah, it is her cousin in fact played by Monsieur Butler and he's the one who encourages her and tells her to kind of find her own course and not to do what her father wants and to buck against the patriarchal system. But it really is, it's kind of a slightly didactic, ever so fractionally dour at times look at, you know, how her dreams are being repressed by the society that she lives in.

1:18:51You can see that they could have gone a comedy route. They've obviously opted not to do it. I actually think some of the emotional beats do land quite well. But a little bit for this, I found my attention wandering. Like, it's a little bit flat. it doesn't have a lot of sort of tonal variance to it and you feel a little bit like you're being lectured and there are moments actually when she kind of makes her case for why she should be allowed to start it's actually very rousing and you know you really you're like come on like you get really excited about that but there are only a couple of those and I think it lacks energy in other areas I think it needed to be a slightly more rounded story with maybe more of a kind of an interesting thrust in the middle of it but you know it's not bad by any stretch it's just it's a slightly odd way maybe to approach this book Yeah, I think they've tried to sort of give it that through line, give it that thrust of her intellectual ambitions, which is there in the book, but maybe not quite as overwhelming as you say.

1:19:46And there's some lovely sort of incidental scenes. So her parents are played by Timothy Spall and Jennifer Saunders. I think her aunt is Sally Phillips. You know, really, really great supporting cast. Jack Whitehall as her fiancé is actually very likably hapless. I thought he was really good. and all of the scenes with them sort of just chit-chatting in the background I really enjoyed I thought they were just really well judged there's a family photograph scene which is loads of fun yes that was loads of fun but I think that a lot of the kind of as you say the thrust of it is very on the nose and I obviously sympathise with all of this I think it is pretty appalling that women were held back in the way that they were and we did lose a lot as a result and you know hey equality is good for everyone and and yet I need something more for this film and from this film to really kind of make it sing in the way that you want.

1:20:39And I'm not sure that it quite gets there. It's only 90 minutes. This is a very chopped down... For her longest book. Yeah, very chopped down. And obviously she wasn't exactly Miss Narrative, you know. It wasn't The Lord of the Rings or whatever. But at the same time, I think maybe a little bit more of the sort of the nuance and the character nuance might have helped it. Yeah, I think so. Not bad at all. and really good performances and Hayley Bennett's really, really... Yes, Hayley Bennett's great. Really, really likable. Really, really convincing. Yeah. With a very sort of like sharp English accent.

1:21:09Yeah, but I just didn't 100 % jive with it. I think I was a little bit zoning in and out as well. So, I don't know. Somewhere in probably a low three, I think a two would feel harsh to me personally. Yeah, I think that's fair. I just about had a three-star experience.

1:21:25Chris Hewitt:All right. There are a couple of other movies out this week that we have not had the chance to see more brave counter-programming from some hearty souls. We wish them all the best. There is a film, an animated film called Lesbian Space Princess. Despite that title, we haven't seen it. And we've given that one three stars. And there's another film out this week, a romantic drama, Cactus Pears, written and directed by Rohan Parashiram Kanawade. And we've given that one four stars. so sounds terrific so check those out if you are getting along to cinema and you're not seeing Toy Story 5 and you fancy seeing something else that's not the World Cup then those are options for you but anywho on that note that is it for this week's Empire Podcast join us next week for more film related fun when we'll be joined by

1:22:24Chris Hewitt:for the last time the Jackass boys are riding once more in ways that will frankly make your eyes water and to celebrate the release of Jackass Best and last the final Jackass movie we're joined by the king of the jackasses returning to the podcast the great Johnny Knoxville and the director of all five Jackass movies Jeff Tremaine so that's a tremendous interview oh boy oh no don't Knox fill it oh no I hate when these minor celebrities come on the podcast and just try to inject their senses of humor in it get yourself a BBC Sounds podcast everyone else has one

1:23:14Chris Hewitt:until we meet again until that auspicious occasion it is goodbye from my two minor celebrity colleagues of such lethal cunning. Goodbye, James Dyer. Goodbye, Chris Hewitt. Do you have any major celebrities on the Pilot TV podcast this week? Only me, Chris. Only me. Goodbye, Alan O 'Hara. Toodaloo. And it's goodbye from me. I'm off to do whatever it takes to become a minor celebrity because I want to lend my voice to Shrek Fave. Thanks for listening. See you next time. Bye. That was the worst Cameron Diaz I've ever done. That was not your best. No.