The Interviews (ft. Samara Weaving, Tyler Gillett & Matt Bettinelli-Olpin; Iain Forsyth & Jane Pollard; Daniel Chong & Nicole Paradis Grindle)

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1:13Chris Hewitt:Hello Pod, I'm Chris Hewitt and welcome to another episode of The Interviews, the spin-off show that rounds up the Empire Podcast's chats with cinema's biggest and brightest. This week's seized release of Ready or Not 2, here I come, the long-awaited follow-up to the 2019 comedy horror film Ready or Not, from directors Radio Silence, a.k.a. Matt Bettinelli-Olpin and Tyler Gillette. That saw Samara Weaving star as a young woman whose dream wedding turns out to be a nightmare when her new family play a deadly game of hide-and-seek with her. Spoiler alert, she won, lay lost. But there's no time for Grace to celebrate her victory, because a sequel picks up exactly where the last film left off, and pits Weaving against a new shadowy cabal of psycho killers, while throwing her sister Faith, played by Catherine Newton, into the mix.

2:05Chris Hewitt:You're about to hear an extended interview that I did recently with Radio Silence and Weaving. It is spoiler-free, although we do talk about certain sequences in the first half of the movie, so maybe, maybe listen to this after you've seen the film so you can shout at me. There will be a dedicated spoiler special interview with Matt and Tyler which will be available on our spoiler special feed after the film is released. But in the meantime, here you go. This is my interview with this tremendous trio who also, by the way, worked together briefly on Scream 6 where Weaving was the big name cameo dispatched in the opening sequence.

2:42Chris Hewitt:Oh, there's another spoiler. You can shout at me about that as well. Yikes. had a lot of fun with this zoom chat enjoy first things first what is the title of this movie in your eyes because we're presented oh man the hard-hitting questions i keep leaving the two out same purpose yeah yeah on purpose ready or not here i come yeah i keep going ready or not here i come in cinemas well we did that in the movie too it's like you can kind of barely see the two oh the two was there because i've only seen the film once so i i was like the title card i missed it you blinked fantastic okay that's good because it for me whenever you're playing hide and seek whether you're killing people or not when you count down you go ready or not here i come you don't go ready or not to here i come so i'm just i was I'm just wondering if you were on board.

3:39We've had this conversation many, many times. Yeah, you're picking at an old wound. Salt in the wound. Maybe we'll start a trend. Maybe people will start saying two. Yeah.

3:54Chris Hewitt:Equally, if you were to make a sequel to this movie, it could be Ready or Not 3, Here I Come 2. Would that be? Really confused people. I like to confuse people right from the off in interviews. So in terms of picking out an old wound, how long ago were all three of you really actively in earnest discussing this movie? And did you have that title right from the off? I honestly have been asked that and I don't remember. Because it felt like when we were doing the first one, the second one, that wasn't even a thought, not even a whisper. No, we were just like all white knuckling it, like hoping the first one we'd actually pull it off.

4:41Yeah. Like we're enjoying this weird, wonderful one-off thing. I hope the rest of the world does too. So it was such a surprise, an incredible, exciting surprise that sort of the fans were the reason why we were even starting to have conversations. But I don't remember when we first talked about it. Yeah. I mean, I think we shortly after the release and I kind of, you know, was building a bit of a following in its early and it's in its release. We had the conversation about what the sequel could be. And it was called Ready or Not, Here I Come. Like that was that was a very early early idea. And it was also from jump was the sequel was going to continue right where the first movie left off.

5:26That was also, yeah, it was also, you know, very much just a part of the part of the pitch from jump. but I feel like we were all aware because I know we had talked we all knew that we were going to have to lock arms to make a sequel and so I think there was an awareness that we were designing something but I don't remember I don't think maybe it wasn't until there was a script Sam that we actually sent you something creative to give thoughts on and that was 2019 yeah bit of a blur at some point and then COVID

6:02but it's been in our lives ever since so it's like this yeah it's kind of just always ever since we did it it's kind of been there and it's kind of coming on for i think all of us on some level not you you were there yeah and then it very suddenly seemed to all fall into place like it went from being quite ambiguous to like and now we're signing the papers i guess yeah we're going in a couple months now we're in Toronto okay yeah

6:29Chris Hewitt:cause Samara we interviewed you a colleague of mine interviewed all three of you for the Empire Magazine for a feature and you said to her Samara that you knew that Ready or Not was connecting when you saw people getting tattoos of your face on their shins that'll do it you know someone's getting a tat of your head on their body that's a crazy standard to set like now you just have to expect that you'd expect that on every movie where's the tattoo you say have you met any of these people in person have you seen any of these tattoos in person maybe they haven't shown me their shins every time yeah because i was wondering how that happened how that manifested and people just come up to you and go here is my shin this is your face yeah i'd be like tagged on instagram and i'd be like wait a minute that's my head on a leg crazy real weird but so cool also is that preferable keep it up keep it up people is that preferable to having tattoos of your shin on people's faces well now that's a good question that's a heavy hitting yeah that's weird more weird the fact that they know what my shin looked like would be the creepiest part i mean i was just admiring your my shins your your your your ghost tattoo that's gonna show up on the set of right you're not three with your shins tattoo right here i'm a cheek it's gonna be the new craze it's gonna it's gonna sweep the nation so uh in a way has this been then you've all the way through the screen movies that you guys made you were this was percolating in the background this was bubbling away in the background yeah it was always that one that you know that like i wonder i wonder i wonder like it would be so wonderful to be able to return to that maybe maybe the universe will allow that to happen and you know it's complicated with like schedules and we were trying to organize i mean you were working so much and we were so busy and it's i i think it like the stars align when they're supposed to and i i were so grateful that they that they aligned and that they aligned the way they did you know with katherine as part of the mix and the alchemy of it and the timing of it while i think we would have loved for it to have happened sooner if it had happened sooner we wouldn't be here with like this specific version of the movie which i think we all love really dearly and feel really personally about so yeah you needed to be like you need to incubate we need to all feel like oh this could be just as good or if not better than the first totally if it's not we can't yeah there's no reason like that's too much pressure yeah and it did feel like okay you're ready let's go i think it's gonna be good you guys i don't want to spoil uh too much obviously for this movie but as you said this does pick up where the first film leaves off i love films that do that but i don't recall many doing it to the extent that you guys do in this movie howling to karate kid um there's a few yeah hellraiser 2 picks up where the first one she doesn't age so yeah precisely i know magic there were real conversations about like oh man what is the clock on sam looking like grace from the first movie i was nervous i I was going, uh, it's been a minute.

10:06Once we crossed, like, the four-year mark, it was like, yeah. And then you show up on set and we were legitimately, like, shocked. Jealous. In every way. Where's sunscreen, kids? I'm waving from, yeah, 2016. I'm still 27.

10:24Chris Hewitt:Yeah. Well, what is the secret? How do you do that? Because I'm so much goos and the amount of money. that I spend going to facialists going keep me embalmed like an Egyptian like what do they call it? slugging? Have you heard of this? No, I don't know if I want to know what slugging is It sounds disgusting No, you put like an inch of moisturizer on your face every night and like Really? I thought they meant that they put slugs all over your face or something That's where I was going No, you are the slug and then you will have to wriggle your way to the door it's probably the amount of blood that's been you know, on my face so there's a lot of pressure I mean, without going into too much detail you guys recreate it's the opening shot of this movie you guys recreate the final shot of Ready or Not Matt and Tyler from your perspective, first of all what was that like and how did you go about doing it because there's a little bit more that happens after that last movie finishes off?

11:34Well, we didn't recreate the original shot. We actually used footage from the original movie. Okay. And then shot a new, the continuation is new. There's a handoff, yeah. There's a transition. It's called a doggy cam? Yeah. Yeah, story. Yeah, it's out here. And we did it on a pickup day. We did it fairly quickly. Really quick, yeah. Yeah, it was like we were... as that shot was and i think there was so much anxiety arguably the most important shot whether or not it would work at all on a technical level it was i think two takes in brett our dp walked over and was like is it and we were like yeah it's it's fucking working this is actually cool and and and not for nothing but it was super cool to see you on the steps again with a cigarette it was just like this is neat yeah and that the camera and this again isn't giving too much away but that you know a shot that starts as that what has now become i think very memorable dolly shot you know as grace sits down on the steps that it becomes a camera that's attached to your body and is moving like in in synchronicity with with you as you say we just love that the movie puts you in the first shot squarely in grace's point of view like quite quite literally like you're you're on the ride with her and yeah um yeah it was but it was a real technical achievement and i mean the the amount of the effects like the number of number of iterations of that shot and the the stitch and like it's all done with old school like pixel pushing you know it's it's all really a testament to how just how hard working and incredible the the team was lola that that you know helped us design the shot on a technical level and yeah um and really i mean we we held our feet to the fire it had to like be photorealistic it sort of lives or dies by that transition that that open yeah colin and that whole effects team doing the continuity of the

13:29Chris Hewitt:blood it's wild amazing yeah it's incredible so but you did have to get samara into the costume uh yeah into grace's wedding dress be covered in the same amount of blood and goo at the same time yeah what was it what was that like did it feel oh i'm home i'm home again yeah yeah oh yeah this is nice um i think it was a mix it was both really exciting because i knew oh we get to do this again and i get to put this dress back on that's was like we're doing it you know but also at the same time going uh boy okay um yeah what did i sign up for we've read the script can't complain more goo absolutely that's yeah great love it i know there must have been like some weird sense memory that was unlocked when you put the dress back on it was like oh shit i remember this yeah well actually do you know what the first one we were it was the middle of winter yeah it was really cold this one was sort of springtime so it was actually all right it was only it was only four percent less miserable and for some reason the schedule yeah well yeah the schedule had all the the big makeup looks at the very end of the day so i quickly run and get it all yeah i think the first time it was like you're in this all day yeah we yeah and you start this movie covered in blood and you're pretty covered for most of the movie what event what like blood event you came up to matt and i and were like have you guys ever done this when are you when do we get to do this to you and we promptly turned away i want movie three really very guilty yeah that's for ready or not three here i come too that's i signed up for it i signed up i read the script i know what i was getting into car complaint so talk me through that experience of on the first movie as well as the second movie samara of being covered in goo uh when when when a fellow cast member explodes.

15:39Chris Hewitt:Slugging. Yeah, slugging. That's what it is, this movie slugging. I'm just slugging. That's the real secret. How much physical goo is there? There's a lot. Didn't you guys have to ship in more blood this time? That's what Catherine's been saying about this. That was on Abigail. She's got her movies. Oh, okay. She keeps going, by the way, and I'm like, really? Okay, never mind. Yeah, there's no more fake blood in Ireland. But we used about as much. She has like 325 gallons or something on this movie. Yeah. Not including the tests, which, I mean, I'm sure it's triple that I'm out with all the testing that we had to do.

16:16Chris Hewitt:Oh my god. And Tyler and Matt, you guys have actually never been slugged. We're going to use it as a verb now. I feel like we're always collateral damage in some way. It's hard to not get messy on those sets. Like, it's really so disgusting. You're also the ones adding more. yeah we yeah you grab the bottle that's true we have more

16:43Chris Hewitt:you're quite hands-on in the sort of the sam raimi style i mean there's and it's and it's like i think it's it's out of politeness um that you know the makeup makeup department is usually like very very delicate and like they're and and we're just sometimes you just need like the blunt instrument you need not yeah not broad stroke or you need broad strokes not small strokes and and i remember during the camera test designing katherine's sort of final look i'm sorry i love you you've got up you're gonna have to pour like this is what it is yes but but going back to the the character though after what six years six years between between movies samara was it was Was it tricky, in a way, to get back into grace?

17:31Chris Hewitt:I remember reading an interview with Daniel Craig where, in between Knives Out movies, he had to hire an accent coach to get him back into the Benoit Blanc accent. But, you know, you have to kind of almost remember how you played a character six years ago because you're picking up right where it left off. Was that a challenge? Yeah. Yes and no. I think Claire Danes talks about this about Homeland, that she feels like she hasn't prepared enough, but it's actually, no, you've already established the character. You don't have to prepare that much. So I had this weird fear of, okay, I've got all the notebooks.

18:16I can see all the prep I've done before. I've like refreshed my memory but am I just being lazy like I feel like I got it but this was it was pretty easy to pick up but I think oh no you just have to trust that you've done the prep you've done the work you just have to read yeah like now you get to think about oh okay what's the arc gonna be for this one and the script was so fantastic and I think because I'd done it before it was much easier to sort of like crack emotional beats and I trust these guys so much that there was not a lot of anxiety around how do I find grace again it was more oh let's go have a lot of fun and now I get to bounce off of Catherine do you think any of that has to do with the physical nature of the first of the role and the first movie that like it's because I feel like one of the things that we always are just so amazed by your performance in the first movie and this one is i mean it's just so physically rigorous and i think you you your body remembers things you know differently than your your brain does yeah do you feel like that was like did you did you sort of feel anything familiar in because of the amount of action i mean it's you're running the entire time in the first one and for sure i think what was strangely emotional and maybe for all of us was when we had a fitting and i had the dress on yeah yeah that was wild putting the we actually were like tearing up it was a big deal and i coming out and seeing everyone i was like why is this why is it yeah we get to do it again and that really helped the costume having that on again i was like oh yeah here she is i think that movie the first one was such a like it was the beginning of so many things for i think for the three of us that it i mean in addition to just loving the movie i think what it's become and that people love it like i think seeing you in the dress it was it was full of all of that like that was that that look is the thing i think the kind of iconic thing of the movie and in so many ways it was like oh my god we're well this thing that we love so dearly and all the people around it and the people that helped us create it i mean it was all just sort of encapsulated in that that fitting it was a real reunion yeah it was great

20:39Chris Hewitt:so um obviously the film builds build this one this movie builds out the mythology of ready or not in very interesting ways that we can't delve into right now but was john wick in a way uh a bit of an influence on you guys in terms of the complexity of it all i think we mostly looked at i know john wick came up at some point but i think it was mostly terminator 2 and Aliens were the two movies that we kept going to when it comes to sequels and going, how do we, not in any way like stealing from them, but how do we achieve what those movies both achieved? What do they do to get from A to B? And we looked at those, I mean, endlessly through pre-production, through production.

21:25How do you expand the world? And then more importantly, how do you focus on the characters within that new bigger world and make sure that that emotional core is there to you know get you through the entire thing the whole way and at the end of the day that comes down to Samara and Catherine and it it felt like the movie got bigger but it also gets more personal and I think that was the thing that we were just always trying to balance yeah I think the way that we the way that we referenced John Wick was I think we like the idea that the mythology grows, but that Grace isn't John Wick. Like that's what we love about the movie.

22:01I think that's kind of the key ingredient is that she is a normal person in the world of like a John Wick mythology. And that to us is like sort of the Rosetta Stone in so many ways for the tone. You have this like very real person in a situation and like in a genre movie that is so extreme and so heightened in its mythology that it can only be terrifying and hilarious at the same time and the fact that you're not an expert is really what makes it so fun to watch that you're like improvising your way your way through it is ultimately like i think why you love grace like she's just like fucking scrapping the whole time and it's i mean that is where like the energy and the sort of attitude of the movie lives in that in so many ways i wanted to talk

22:51Chris Hewitt:about about introducing catherine obviously tyler and matt you had just worked with her and abigail so was there a moment on abigail where you thought oh hang on a second or was faith already in the script as was percolating away in the background no there was there was a very specific moment on abigail and it was i mean i think in hindsight it was building because we spent so much time with catherine getting to know her and as samar was talking about earlier they're both fucking weirdos they're like they've got a funny silly sensibility it's impossible to be about either of them without laughing a lot and there was a moment when we were filming that was like oh my god sam and katherine should be sisters in something that would be incredible and so we were kind of obsessed with that idea and at that point we were not doing ready or not and shortly after uh the movie came out that's when ready or not re-entered our lives as an opportunity and trip called and was like hey is there any way you guys would do this and for us what we really wanted to get into the script was some emotional core and the guys that had a bunch of guy and ryan the writers had had a bunch of great versions of that there were circling it with other there were other yeah there was another character in every draft right there was like the cop there was a friend from a daughter the daughter yeah there is a handful of swings as like that connection yeah but it was always like uh like an unequal partnership where it was grace and then somebody else she met, but it was grace.

24:18Right, that we were cutting away to, not that was like... Yeah, that wasn't like integral to it. And I think the idea of her and Catherine together was so exciting just because they're awesome and they're great and be so fun to make that movie. Go on. And then this idea that like, oh, Grace has a secret. Like Grace was hiding something in the first movie. She's not perfect. What if it was Catherine as her sister? and then once that idea unlocked it just it gave us an emotional thing to latch on to in the movie that i think got us really excited and the first person we talked to was sam and said hey it's your movie you remember this lunch we had it and was like this is so great you know we don't want to like offend you but we want to make this like a two-hander and i mean she cut us off i was like oh my god it's a great idea i love it let's go you know it was like so open and generous and just like accepting and then i can't say enough great things about working with both of them I think we felt it off camera and then hopefully you get it on camera it's the the chemistry is like undeniable and I remember Sam you saying during that lunch that this sort of one of the fears of of the script as we had been developing it was like more of it's just like a lot of grace alone you know fighting again and those moments were really fun and the sequences were great but it felt like it was missing it was missing the idea that your character is playing actively against against someone else yeah the sort of real personal drama of it it was really helpful for me because they i think would have just run out of ideas of how else can i be afraid in a different way but making it about someone else and now i have to not only save myself but save someone else was such a great thing to play with yeah and the sarah sarah connor and her son Like that relationship in Terminator 2 is like such a analog for us.

26:12The idea that she's entering that movie full of all of the knowledge that that she's, you know, learned everything she's learned from the first film. So it's a it's cool for her to be a stakes character. But you want you want an innocent person to also be at stake. Right. And her son is that. You know what? Just kill me. Yeah, I'm fucking done. Totally. Totally. and by the way that that the families that the families understand that that complication exists for you is also then deployed as a really cool like you know obstacle and um complicating you know complicating factor it just gave us a lot to play with in a really interesting way

26:49Chris Hewitt:guy and ryan crushed and just just very very quickly as well uh there is a sequence set on the golf course was that dangerous bringing catherine newton onto a golf course did you have to drag her away from actually playing to do some acting i was trying to get her to play more she got all embarrassed she hit one shot one yeah in front of the crew and everyone was like people love it when you play come on she's like ah no it's nah i know we had an idea in prep like grow that sequence specifically because we're like fuck we gotta get golf clubs in catherine's hands and then as the real when the reality of like how you're actually gonna pull the movie off so it's just set in it's like oh man we're gonna have to like start sort of shrinking things and um yeah i want you to play faith in the next one and you guys do impressions of each other all right this is all fertile ground to explore in ready or not three here i come to which i'm looking forward to in about what six years time i guess guys yeah yeah yeah all right we'll all meet back here in six years time and we'll talk about that movie perfect in the meantime matt tyler samara it's been a pleasure thanks so much indeed great to see you cheers guys this podcast is sponsored by iq bar i've got good news and bad news here's the bad news most protein bars are packed with sugar and unpronounceable ingredients.

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29:05Chris Hewitt:Okay, that was Matt Bettinelli-Olpin and Tyler Gillette, aka Radio Silence, with Samara Weaving, the star, of course, of Ready or Not. But here I come. None of this too nonsense. I am not going to do it. The film is out on Friday and is a lot of fun. Check it out, folks. But next up, something slightly different. Marianne Faithfull was one of the most memorable British cultural figures to emerge from the 1960s, which is saying something. A singer, a songwriter, an actor, an endlessly fascinating figure who led a life not without incident. She is celebrated in the latest docudrama from directors Ian Forsyth and Jane Pollard.

29:43Chris Hewitt:It's entitled Broken English and is a fascinating look at Faithful and her life, starring Tilda Swinton, George Mackay, Sammy Ashton, Sophia DiMartino and others as part of a new agency dedicated to cataloging cultural giants and making sure we don't forget them. Central to that is an interview with Faithful herself, conducted by Mackay's character, in which she watches archive footage of herself. But there's so much more going on here too, including musical performances from the likes of Beth Orton, Courtney Love, Suki Waterhouse and, very movingly at the end, Faithful, along with Warren Ellis and Nick Cave.

30:22Chris Hewitt:It was the last performance Faithful gave before her death last January at the age of 78. It is a remarkable film. It is bold and distinctive and it is being celebrated tonight, Wednesday, March 18th, ahead of its opening on Friday, March 20th, with a special screening at the Barbican in London, which will be live streamed into other cinemas around the country. And it's going to be bolstered by a concert featuring the likes of Jarvis Cocker, Rufus Wainwright, Beth Orton, Samantha Morton and more. And The Barbican is where Forsyth and Pollard, who also directed the likes of The Extraordinary Miss Flower and Nick Cave's 20 ,000 Days on Earth, were when I caught up with them this afternoon.

31:06Chris Hewitt:They were prepping for the gig. So there might be some noise in the background here, but we hope you will forgive that. Here you go. Ian Forsyth, Jane Pollard, talking broken English. Enjoy. Ian, Jane, live from The Barbican. How the devil are you both? Very good. Nervous about tonight. It's just about nap time, I think. A little power nap before everything starts getting very real very quickly. Yeah, well, what stage are you at at the moment in terms of you doing sound checks, that sort of thing, or is it...? Sound check starts as soon as we finish this, yeah. Okay, wow. So you have folks in the building right now waiting, guitars and pianos all getting ready.

31:49Chris Hewitt:So tell the people at home who you have tonight for this concert. Oh, it's so exciting. I mean, Marianne is such a musician's musician, you know, she's collaborated with so many people and we had people just queuing up to participate. So this evening we have some of Marianne's original band and the composers on our film, Rob Ellis and Adrian Utley, joined by Colin Greenwood of Radiohead and Anna Phoebe. I mean, we're spoiled. Absolutely. All the heads. All the heads, yeah. Ed Harcourt. And an Ed. Ed Harcourt. Ed Harcourt. No, Ed Harcourt. Beth Orton, Anna Calvey, Nadine Shaw, Jarvis Cocker, and Rufus Wainwright, who came to Sundance with us.

32:40Yeah, absolutely incredible.

32:42Chris Hewitt:So do you send out the signal, or how did you get these people on board? As you say, Marianne is incredibly influential. But was it easy to get people on board by just queuing up? I mean, it's Marianne that gets people on board, not as really, to be totally honest. Marianne was a real artist's artist. She might not have necessarily had the public profile of similar artists, certainly in the UK. But she had the respect and love of her peers. And I think that's what mattered to her more than, you know, the fame and the acclaim. I think she just loved being part of a community of artists. That was what fired her up in the mornings.

33:30So people were just really keen to get involved. I mean, it's, you know, it's been an embarrassment of riches, really, in terms of who was interested in the idea. But then, you know, reality kicks in and you've got to look at who's in the country and who's got commitments elsewhere. and, you know, juggling all of that. I think we've ended up with a really apastic line-up. Incredible, yeah.

33:51Chris Hewitt:It's an amazing, amazing line-up. And I want to talk about the film itself in a second. But the idea of a concert tonight to celebrate the film, to launch the film over here as well, where did that come from? Oddly, it's very similar to what we did with 20 ,000 Days. Our first film with Nick Habe. it just it feels like that when you're when you're making something like this like an independent film that you need to make the biggest noise you can on release so you need to do something that kind of is a real moment of everything coming together just to try and and reach as many heads as possible to try and kind of break through and encourage people to get to the cinema and watch the film.

34:44Chris Hewitt:I think this will do it. I think this will do it. And let's talk about the film itself. If anyone has seen, as you say, 20 ,000 Days or The Extraordinary Miss Flower, they will know that you have, I think, nobody does what you guys do. And you have this incredibly unique approach to movies about music and musicians and you know i've seen this movie described as a docudrama i don't know how you think of it yourself but how did you i don't want to just ask about why marianne first but i want to ask about how you came up with the concept this approach of this this ministry of not forgetting that that is the the backbone of the movie i mean i guess a couple of things came together to kind of coalesce into that idea.

35:35But one of the big inspirations for us, and it's been a big inspiration to all of our work for a very, very long time, is the Samuel Beckett play, Crapsless Tape. Oh, wow. Yeah, that Gary Oldman's taking on, we saw him do it in New York and he's about to do it later this year in London. Oh, he's at the Royal Court? Yeah. Yeah, which will be really exciting. Yeah, super exciting. It's a wonderful play and some of the greatest actors of, you know, the day generation of Michael Gambon and John Hurt and Stephen Wray, just a wonderful collection of actors who have taken on this role of crap. And I think when we try to distill what it is about that play that really, really grabs us, it's this idea of an older man in this case, but an older person being confronted by their younger selves and that idea of revisiting all of the people that you have, you know, all of us, you change throughout your life.